UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 1/24/24 Behind the Curtain of Military Intelligence part 2

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

Part two of this discussion picks up right where part one left off. Listen as Stephen Diener and Special Operations Analyst, Anthony Williams, discuss UAP activity over combat zones that is not being shown to the public, and what kind of cover up could be happening in Miami over those reports of aliens at the mall. All that and more in this conclusion to an eye opening conversation. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Summer classes start June 22nd. Learn more at SMC.edu. Welcome back into UAP Weekly. It is the Unidentified Alien Podcast Weekly edition. Stephen Deiner back with you here as always as we go into a continuation here. It's part two of my discussion with Anthony Williams, a man who goes by the name of Anthony Williams, because we can't use his real name. And he's a special operations analyst in part with the Special Operations Command, doing a lot of great work for the United

States and for the military analyzing different videos that come through, whether it's UAP or otherwise. There's a lot of information that comes across his desk and his department having to do with a lot of things, global affairs and the sort. But one of the things that he deals with, as you heard in part one, is a lot of UAP reports and news and videos. It's really interesting stuff. And Anthony Williams is privy to a lot of information. And he was kind enough and gracious enough to spend his time here with me on UAP.

So much so, so much time that we had to break this in to two parts for this discussion. because we spoke for over an hour and a half. So that's why I said, you know what, let's come out with a part two and we'll break this up nicely. So today is part two of this discussion. Some of the things we get into that you didn't hear in part one as we were basically just going to pick up right where we left off.

No, skipping anything. Just going to pick it right up in the conversation where we start talking about what is the U.S. military not showing us. Of all the UAP videos that have come out, whether it's the jellyfish or any other video that we've seen, what are some of the video or the mold, Sewell orb, you know, all these different videos that have leaked. What other videos have we not seen?

So we get into some of that. Apparently, there's a lot more than we realize and very, very interesting on where they're showing up as well. So we talk about that. And we get into the case of the Miami aliens. What was going on there? What is his take on it from his, you know, professional point of view? And what kind of chatter has he come across in his own work, analyzing all this stuff?

What's being said behind the scenes? Is there anything being said behind the scenes? Are they hiding things from him? There's a lot to go into with that. And much more really great discussion here. To finish off this discussion, it's part two with myself and Anthony Williams behind the curtain of military intelligence.

Here you go. Can you elaborate at all on some of the stuff that the general public has not seen that you guys are analyzing? Like any type of tidbits without getting anyone, including yourself in trouble? So when people say that certain, you know, videos, objects are defying the laws of physics, there are a certain level of analysis that attempt to refute that statement.

So even exploring open source like you can Google right now, different forms of propulsion, different things that are theoretical or have been experimented, that, you know, the general public doesn't have a good feel on, these things that may be better refined in these classified and compartmented programs may be a thing. So there's another whole level of scrutiny involved into plausibility that would not be readily known to the average observer. I will say that different videos that have been seen of objects,

flying through combat zones, there are more than just what has been released to the public. And I think what we've seen released to the public is because some either brave or crazy soul, you know, leaked a classified video. A lot of these videos are classified just because of the platform that recorded it. You know, those have been leaked, so those have been seen. That doesn't mean everything that has been seen has been leaked.

And I'll leave it at that. Interesting. Okay. And that, you know, also you start to think about why these things over battle zones. But I guess that's, that's an entirely different question. But I'm wondering too, and this goes, I think, to the bigger picture. You talk about, you know, the cover up, so to speak, right? Everybody hears the word cover up and they think, oh, you're one of the crazy conspiracy theorists. But when you talk about just the hiding of secrets, whatever you want to call it, over the past 80 plus years possibly, and here we are at the point in 2020. where they are so deep in the operation of hiding secrets and hiding truth from the general public. I wonder personally, and I want to get your opinion on it, do you think it's to the point where the government or government entities or private companies, whoever might be or all the above, are to the point where they don't want to disclose because ultimately now that means, well, shoot, we're going to have to admit that we've been lying about X, Y, and Z for the past

80 years and, you know, X, Y, and Z cannot possibly get us in trouble because we broke some laws on this other end. And we've been lying about it for so long. We're going to have to admit to everything. Right. Well, yeah. So here's, here's my thought, here's my personal belief based on what I have studied and what I've, what I've had access to you, if the average person doesn't, and here's how it translates in my mind. If you look back to MK Ultra, the CIA program. When that came out, real quick question, think CIA is happy or not happy? They probably were not happy about it. Really not happy, right? Like, really not happy. And it doesn't mean everybody in the CIA wasn't happy. The people that were involved in it that thought this was

righteous work, they're really not happy. So let's take that approach looking at this subject, right? Up until the Trump administration, the Air Force, was the entity responsible for space warfare, right? So they had the the space command, the Air Force Space Command within the Air Force that still exists today, just in a little bit different role. We now have the Space Force, you know, that leverages different aspects of space,

down and in, low Earth orbit, medium Earth orbit, geosynchronous space, you know, all these different levels of orbit, which we could, man, we could go down a rabbit hole just with that. prior to space force for all these decades the air force was responsible for this so let's go back all the way back to roswell roswell happens we have newspaper reports we have eyewitnesses that you know the UFOs flying saucers aliens this thing is not in the lexicon of everyday talk in 1947 It is known by the government. We have the foo fighters in 45.

We have other known, you know, sightings throughout the time. Arguments going back to the 30s. The government is aware that there are these things. And who is the first one to change the story from eyewitness account to government's story? It's the Air Force. The Air Force, the very next day, takes physical control of the items recovered in the crash, takes control of them, and then immediately puts out a story that doubles down. And it's the first time we see, you know, an eyewitness account that is completely refuted

by the government and buried away. And the explanation doesn't make sense. The punishment doesn't fit the crime. So the actions that the Air Force took with those items do not match the fact that they were weather balloon parts, right? So we see our first rub with Air Force action. Now, within the Department of Defense, within our government, within our military, people hire private companies all the time and contract out various levels of work. All the companies' names that you are hearing being thrown out by Dave Grush by some of these other people that are coming forward, the Lockheed Markians, Martin's, the Raytheons, the North Grummans, all these big companies, they are aerospace companies.

They have had contracts with the Air Force for decades going all the way back to the 40s and 50s. So as the Air Force is the first and they are looked at with all the most precious sensors, whatever that level of technology exists, when it talks to space and sky, they are the proponent for that capability. and for that knowledge. And they have been the hardest refuters, okay? Now we're talking about FOIA becoming national law. How do we move things out of government hands so it can't be FOIA'd? Well, one, the government can deem anything part of national security and not have to release it.

But an easier method, too, and also a way to get people working on stuff, is give it to your trusted agents, your trusted big companies that have been your lead for aeronautical, technology for decades, for over half a century. And with that, you get these company names. If you look at the UAP Task Force report that came out in June of 2021, they talk about 144 incidents that came in that were analyzed. Of that, in that report, only 31 came in from the Air Force. They have all the sensors, space, ground-based, air-based, all these things. Why does the Navy, which their main thing is boats, a supplemental capability is aircraft, why does the Navy have so many more reports on this stuff than the Air Force whose sole capability is space and air?

Okay. So the Air Force is 31. Of that, only 16 were analyzed to make that report. So of the 144, 143 were deemed anomalous. Of that 16 were from the Air Force. Almost just a little over 10. 10% all the rest came from everybody else. So the people with all the capability to grab it have only a marginal amount of that 12 were verbal story only for had accompanied very low quality video that provided no additional evidence other than the the human report. Okay. So nothing of substance coming out of the Air Force. If I were going to write a point paper today or an op-ed, it would be titled, where's the Air Force? And if you look at quantity having a quality all of its own

for the mass civilian reports over the decades, the absence of reporting has a quality all of its own. When you have every other aspect of government providing all these reports and the people that should know the most about it saying the least and providing the least amount of data, I think that's where you go. And this is me.

I don't have any other insider knowledge other than my belief when using an analytical mind on this. That's where that leads me. Where's the Air Force on this? If someone's hiding something, it's probably the people saying the least or saying the bare minimum to not raise eyebrows. Well, we'll make sure that we have a few reports, but we don't want too many. And none of them are going to be good enough to where anyone's going to want to dig into them. That's what we got in that report. where out of 143 that were deemed anomalous, 90% didn't come from the people that should be able to grab the most amount of data.

So essentially the Air Force says, you know, as far as a, you know, a branch in the military would have the most to lose with a lot of this information coming out or putting out the information themselves. It sure seems that way. Even to the aspect of in that report, it cites, you know, Eglon Air Force Base and Seymour Johnson are two of the most. incidents happening around those bases, as reported by the Air Force and the Navy, well, when our representatives go down to Eglon Air Force Base with their highest level of security clearance are Stonewall again by who? Right. By the Air Force commanders of that installation. So, you know, I'm not saying they are or aren't. I'm just saying, you know, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck and quacks like a duck,

the people with the highest amount of ability to have information seem to have the least amount when their sole job is to analyze and monitor our skies, both for homeland defense and for strategic competition around the world. So to me, if you go back historically and you look at what's happening right now, you know, where is the Air Force? they're obviously absent from the conversation.

So it sounds like, Anthony, that there is a, like a power struggle really happening within the military itself and within the intelligence communities in the military, that there's almost like a back and forth of, I want to say something. No, you're not going to say something. Like, is it, am I accurate with it? Yeah, it's not so much a back and forth as much as it's stove pipes, right? So if the Air Force is a proponent for this specific project for, you know, developing a hypersonic weapon system, well, that's going to be compartmented. And even though the Navy has things to do with flight, maybe they'll employ that system, they don't necessarily get to know what the right hand is doing during development. Okay. So these things are stovepipes.

So, you know, DOD blanketly puts out, hey, you need to report this. Here's how you do it. But the reporting is stovepipe. So Navy reports their stuff, goes up through their intelligence. process and then goes into the intelligence community writ large for analysis. The Air Force, their stuff is stow-piped, and their guidance may be different. So it's not a matter of a power struggle between Navy Marine Corps Army or Air Force. It's that every branch of service has their own interpretation and how they're going to execute that policy and that guidance that's given out,

put out, or directed in a joint staff directive or in any of these other means. So If the Air Force has an internal policy that has an exquisite level of protection and they've had it for decades, you can slap on anything into that if you want to hide it. And if everything that they have or find, if nothing's coming out, you know, the Navy can't look at them and say, hey, you're lying about X because they're not seeing X unless X gets put out to the greater community. So what you're really looking at as stove pipes to wherever that information terminates. And either the Air Force is horrible at their job, which I don't believe, we have the most powerful and intelligent people working in that branch of service. I mean, really impressive

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you and for your co-worker, so to speak, who look at these reports and look at these videos every day and analyze it? And then you say to yourself, when can we just put this stuff out there? Yeah, I, I, frustrating. I don't know about frustrating. I think. think it's exciting. To me, to me, I look at this stuff and it's exciting to go on and look at things and listen to people's analysis and listen to the discourse, even within the community of qualified individuals. It's exciting to me to see that we have a group of the right people really, really crashing on a problem set. I think the point of frustration is that there's still with all this that is coming out,

it still hasn't been opened up beyond that to really get the whole of society crashing on it. You have brilliant scientists at civilian institutions all over the place, at different think tanks, at different, you know, all these different, you know, big brain organizations, you know, that are not affiliated with government work at all,

and some that are, affiliated with government work that, man, it would be amazing if we could go after, you know, when we look at, you know, everyone's talking cyber and cyber threats, right? So within the military, you know, now that this capability is coming out and we're all learning, civilians and military are all learning about it at the same time. How do we get smart about it right away? We recruit people that are already smart on it. How great would it be if we could just acknowledge some of this and go out and recruit

some of the brightest and best from everywhere and offer them up a piece of the pie to come and collaborate on some of this. I think that's where my frustration is. And when you listen to a lot of the other whistleblowers, I think that's where their frustration is. None of us, me included, think that we should be compromising any sort of national security at all.

I refuse to do it. But I think everyone that knows something about anything also agrees that not all this information getting out is a risk to national security. It's a risk to the way we view the world. Well, those things change all the time. You know, we hundreds of years ago put people to death for coming out and saying that the earth was round.

You know, our global perspective changes with scientific breakthroughs. This is just the next, you know, change in world perspective. And it's okay that we have a change. It doesn't change, you know, oh, we find out the world's round, not flat. well religions of the day didn't go away they wouldn't go away now and and you know in some aspects that may amplify certain beliefs in certain religions and how much is it really going to change with our day to day i think it's just going to change our worldview and allow for more you know analytical work and scientific work to be done um you know that that already exists that's not allowed to

it's not been allowed thus far to be applied to these topics and these discussions. That's really great perspective. I think, Anthony, it's, you know, and it's well put because kind of, you know, look at it, kind of step back and look at it. It makes sense, right, in how things might be, you know, how world views change. And it feels like we're at the doorstep of that. It feels like we're getting closer and closer to kind of like, you know, the precipice of that change. but it just feels like people still aren't ready to accept the change or hear the change,

maybe even. It's hard. Right. You know, we just got to keep pushing forward, I guess, in that essence. I want to go back to something real quick,

which, by the way, I appreciate you spending all this time here today on you. Yeah, no problem. You still have a few minutes. I don't want to, you know, oh,

yeah. No, we're good. I want to go back a little bit to something that's, you mentioned, that I found really interesting. I was going to leave alone. But I'm like,

I got to ask about this since I have you. Mention some of the videos or reports even that you've, you know, analyzed or your community has analyzed that show other craft within battle zones. And we have videos like that, like the Moleseul Orb and Iraq and, you know, different things, you know, the TikTok and so on and so forth. The TikTok was more training, you know, near San Diego. But why do you think? Now, I don't expect you to elaborate further on that.

Obviously, you can only say so much when it comes to those videos and those reports about these craft being seen in battle zones. But your best guess from an analysis standpoint, why do you think we are seeing so many reports throughout history, throughout the decades, whether it be nuclear sites or battle zones of these craft being so prevalent within those areas? What is the correlation? Yeah. Yeah, let me give you an analogy to help explain that. That's a great question. And again, my opinion, if you want to buy a car, you're going to go to a car dealership. But if you want to buy an eggplant, you're going to go to a grocery store.

Those are two different things that you need for completely different purposes. The two are not related at all. And they're not co-located in the same area. So if this is observation being done or intelligence being gathered, the reason why you would go over middle America and interact with a civilian population is 100% a different reason of why you would go and analyze a military area, a restricted airspace or a combat zone, completely different purpose. The things that are going on with potentially catarrow. mutilations or all these other different things that are potentially part of this, there's, there's a big difference in what they could be wanting to glean, right? The other thing is, well, is it happening there more or do we just have better sensors there? The answer is both.

We have better sensors there that when they capture these things, they're a qualified sensor, whether it's a human sensor or a technical sensor, they're higher qualified, more believable, to make the observation of what they're seeing. But back to something I said earlier, quantity has a quality all of its own. When you have before internet, before national media, when you have thousands and thousands of reports coming all over the civilian population all across the 48 states and honestly globally,

all having similar stories. And there's no way those could have been shared. And there's no way within the same week, month, the same thing could have been seen. describe the exact same way all throughout. So quantity as a quality all of its own. If some of those are fake news, not all of them can be. Some of them are too specific to not be real.

So why over a combat zone? Why over our nuclear sites? Why over our military test range? Well, that is the highest end of our technology, our capability, and a keyword use in a combat zone you see this technology being used. In a training area, you see this technology being practiced or trained with. So if someone is observing that or wants to learn about that or why this is occurring,

that is a practical application. You don't just buy a car because of its looks. You test drive it, you learn all about it, you study it, then you make an informed decision. why would they be observing combat zones? Because it is a practical application of our highest ends of technology applied in the most violent and horrific of ways. Even if you, even if you're from a society, you know, from an unreached population of the planet and you got piped in a reality TV show of a combat zone, you'd be glued to that. You'd be glued to that. You're like, what are these people doing?

You know, even if you're unaware of the geopolitical landscape that led to the war or the conflict, you'd be glued to it. It would look horrific. So why they would be seen over Kansas versus Baghdad, I feel two very different distinct reasons, analyzing two very different things. You are not going to see over Kansas what you're going to see over a combat zone. And in Kansas, you are not going to be seen as long. likely to do other types of research or observations that you can't do because of the volume of high quality sensors in a combat zone. Does that make sense? It does. And I think it kind of brings up a concerning thought to my mind, to be honest with you, because it sounds like it comes down

to straight up reconnaissance. And then the question is, well, this is reconnaissance from a, call it, you know, extraterrestrial point of view, then you're talking about reconnaissance one of two reasons. It would be reason one. We're watching out for you guys. We want to make sure that things don't get out of hand. So we're watching your capabilities and how much you're evolving and what you're doing, which is obviously a prevalent theory with some, you know, alien theorists, I guess if you want to say, you know, kind of like a big brother, reconnaissance type, right? Big brother's watching to make sure they're, you know, break your leg when you're jumping off the roof or something. The other reason for reconnaissance would be, what are your capabilities

if we get into a fight. What are your capabilities? What are your techniques if push comes to shove and we have to go up against one another? So there's one of two reasons for reconnaissance. And that's just my outlook, no military background or anything like that like yourself. Am I off base there? No, you're not. And that's what goes to.

I really appreciate your analytical brain. So, you know, course of action A, observing with the Big Brother lens, right? Let's get into that. that should be comforting. If there's something that's watching us, like how we study chimpanzees and how they start murdering monkeys that eat monkeys, that's a real thing if people didn't know about that,

you know, we're observing that. We're learning more about it. They're not a threat to us, but we're still observing it and watching their behavior and learning. If the monkeys started to develop weapons that could subsequently wipe themselves out or hurt other species or,

wipe us out, we would interdict like a big brother. So if that's the purpose of the observation, then that should be comforting. If the second is assumed, if we assume that potential for adversarial interaction with these, you know, other civilizations or other entities or people from another dimension or whatever, wherever they could be from, if that's the assumption, then we're putting on our world bias that we must be close to the peer level with them. When the U.S. went to war in World War II, there was no assurance or even belief or honestly,

very little confidence that we were going to win. But we knew we had no other choice but war. And there was a lot of praying and a whole country approach. When we invaded Iraq in 2003, we didn't know how many casualties we would take, but there was no doubt in anyone's mind we were going to win that. We were a superior military fighting an inferior military. So for us to assume that this phenomenon or this species or civilization, whatever, is threatened by our technological advancements,

that is putting an assumption on them that we are closer to the peer level than we are inferior level, and they may need to check us before we are a threat to them. Since we don't even know, since we don't openly know who, quote unquote, they are, or how to even find them, or maybe we do, you know, number one could be plausible or it might not be at all. And I'm not saying I support or defend the second option of,

you know, they're studying for nefarious reasons. You know, I think cases like the Dulce base, after some of the Skiff briefings and you hear what the representatives have said, I think there's a lot more validity to stories like that than there was before David Grush and before these classified briefings. But that doesn't mean that there is an, you know, we're approaching an imminent, you know, war of the world scenario. Doesn't mean that we're not.

You know, that could be the terrifying truth that, you know, that some people say is behind the need for not disclosing. I can't say that one way or the other. But you're right. You're looking at that the right way. Either it's Big Brother, which should be comforting. That's not going to let us blow ourselves up. Or, you know, it's someone, you know, and maybe it's someone just looking at how we're using

the resources on our planet confused as to why we didn't take the Tesla route and why we took the combustion route. You know, it could be that simple. Hey, we have all the same resources you do and we got to a way different answer, you know, that now we're getting to, you know, alternatives to fossil fuels. You know, there was a concerted effort financially pushed decades ago to pursue fossil fuels, You know, and it's set our economy in place the way it is. So, you know, maybe there's a third option.

They're just confused as to how we got to where we're at. You know, now they're studying every aspect of it. Yeah. No, that's fascinating, man. And it's just, I know I have much more to talk about in the future. So I do want to get to a couple more things before I let you go on your way here today and get to all the, you know, important work that you have to do. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world.

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that's where I'm stationed so to speak and something happened here within the past couple of weeks really at the start of the year. I mean literally like almost New Year's Day for 2024 we started off the year with reports of 8 to 10 foot aliens in Miami

at them all in Miami and there's been a lot of talk about this I actually, I mean, the episode I did last week was about it, spoke about all the different theories and the reports and the questions. What is your takeaway on that? Were you guys talking about that at all in your, you know, in your community of, you know, special operations where you're looking at all these things? Does that come up? Are you guys looking at reports from, you know, these strange eight to ten foot alien reports out of Miami? Yeah.

So, so first of all, I thought you nailed it. Oh, thank you. with your approach to it. I really do. And so, yeah, so we've discussed it. And I've had these conversations with people. And it goes back to where's the Air Force, right? That same mindset. So let's look at just the facts, just what we know are facts. This Miami is a major metropolis area, right? Right. Massive population. Huge. I don't have the exact number, but it's more than the population of the capital pier south dakota right yeah like it is a massive city massive police force this is an event that i can't think of any other time in recent history

where the entire Miami police department in their entirety is brought in on an all-call emergency, including aircraft, ground response, command centers, everything is flooding this area, and a response that we have frankly maybe have never seen in that city. And other than 9-11, show me another time when we had that, including in Miami, federal agencies responding. Again, other than 9-11, and before that, maybe the bond. of the World Trade Center or the Olympic bombing in 96 in Atlanta. Show me a time where we've had a city that large crash, federal assets, everything the city has to bear.

And it doesn't make the news. Yeah. To me, the thing that stood out harder than anything is you have a couple personal videos taken and it is crickets out of everything. everybody. There's not, I was asking the same questions when I saw this going down that you did, which is where's the body cam footage from the police? Right. Where is the dash cam footage from the squad cars? Ever since George Floyd, Rodney King, those two incidents combined, there is not an officer in the United States, even the least funded most rural police department as body camps.

There's not one. And then the explanation, if you go back to the punishment doesn't fit the crime, 18 hoodlums lighting off fireworks or maybe fighting. Those are the two answers given. Let me explain how teenagers respond when five cops roll into the mall with guns drawn. Do you think they stick around and say, forget you, copper, I'm lighting off fireworks? No, they run. They flee. So you don't, the response given is not required by the.

accusation made that this is 18 kids fighting or letting off fireworks. The amount of people recorded fleeing and the amount of fear and panic as they, they're not running. They are fleeing. There's a difference. When you run away from something because it might blow up versus you're being chased with a guy with a knife. There's a difference in that run, right? And I've experienced set. These people are fleeing. So you don't flee, maybe you flee with people fighting,

you know, 200 yards away. You don't flee half a mile, a mile and keep running. These are people that are terrified. And they're not terrified because there was a fight. They're not terrified because

there are fireworks indoors. Now, maybe they thought there were explosions. Okay. Got it. Does is that requisite of an all of whole of government response to that level when even initial responders could say it's fireworks? No. That that would not be that way.

And the fact that it didn't make the news, let's say it's fireworks and we hit the, you know, the Batman red light and the whole of government crashes on it. There would be no problem with coming out on the news and saying, wow, wild. times in Miami Mall tonight. Yeah. You know, think about the guy that crashed the border, the guy and his wife that crashed the border, the border patrol station up on the U.S. Canadian border. Right. That first came out as terrorism.

Did the whole of government respond? No. Just the local people to that area. And we thought it was terrorism. It got reported as a bomb, secondary device, terrorism. It came out within four hours that, yeah, it wasn't a bomb, wasn't terrorism. a guy arguing with his wife, we don't know what the motivations are

and we never will. That did, you know, that got reported. That made national news. Yeah. Right off the bat. Something like that incident. So again, it goes back to sometimes no reporting is reporting in itself.

The fact that nothing was said, spoken, or allowed out tells me the same thing that you concluded. There is way more to the, this than the story that's being told. A story of reality is definitely being concealed. And if some firsthand accounts are saying what they're saying, that is plausibility right there.

Not saying that that's what it is, but I came to the same conclusion you did. And that's, did you guys see anything come across, you know, come across your desk, so to speak, with any of these reports, anything to refute or corroborates, you know, any one report versus the other? You know, the discussions really just revolve around what I said. To glean that type of response, we look at other incidents that get that type of response. And then we look at other massive incidents that are all over the news, sometimes for days, that don't get that response. Yeah.

And for that type of response and that lack of reporting, it's deliberate. They're deliberately concealing whatever really happened there. that's obvious and that's that's a conclusion we've all come to as well wild and it's so then the question becomes why right and there was actually one more thing um from that a piece of the puzzle so to speak that i didn't mention in my episode on this last week that it intentionally i didn't mention it and i actually got emails and messages from people saying why didn't you mention this and the reason why i didn't mention when i'm about to mention now is because i didn't know if it was real or not. And to be fair, I mentioned a lot of things on UAP that I don't know if it's real or not.

That's why I put out for that right. But in this particular scenario, I didn't want to put out something that was a fake video on Twitter and then be made to look like a moron for falling for it, really, is what it came down to. Right. And what I'm referring to now, and it seems legit, so I'll mention it, is a video that came out of a kid, you know, 20 years old somewhere in there, college age kid, calling his dad. who is a supposedly higher up within the Miami PD, actually running for a sheriff with Miami PD. And someone's video, videoing the kid, FaceTiming his dad.

And he asks his dad, hey, dad, what can't tell me about what, you know, what happened to aliens in Miami? And dead pan, serious face, the dad was not laughing because the kid was kind of joking around about it. Like, hey, dad, you know, tell me about the aliens. And the dad, dead serious, like, I can't talk about anything that happened there. And asked him, he's like, Whoa.

And he kind of was like taken aback. And he's, you know, again, speaking to his dad, he's thinking, you're messing around with me? Like, you know, I was just joking around. Like, you really can't mention anything? He's like, yeah, don't, don't ask me about it. I can't talk about it. And it turns out that this video, it seems Anthony is legit because there was some digging

that went into it. And the dad is a guy who really is in Miami PD and running for sheriff. So there's something to this. And we don't know what it is exactly. No, for sure. let's say let's say that it's guys in nuclear protective gear dropping off a suitcase nuke in the mall right that we might not want that to get out that that our malls are susceptible to a suitcase nuclear device that could blow up and kill everybody right yeah maybe we need to keep that under wraps

and the guys that are wearing these suits look like eight-foot aliens right then if they're not going to let this story out, but this kid calls his dad on a private phone call and says, Dad, what's up with the aliens? I can't tell you about it, but it's not aliens. But he doesn't say that. Right. That's true. He just says, I can't talk about that topic at all, which is at a whole other level. I get asked all the time by my family about things that are classified that I can't get into them about. But when they approach me with wazoo crazy theories, I can say, that's not a thing.

I'm not going to get into what it is, but that's insane. You know, I can see why maybe you got there, but no. If it were anything else, anything else that would need to be kept secret, and it's definitely not aliens. And this kid is joking about with his dad, and the alien possibility is laughable, then his dad were laughed and said, son, I can't get into what happened, but it definitely wasn't aliens. You know, that is not at all what's said.

My dad is stone cold Steve Austin. He's not cracking a smile. And he says, I cannot talk about that to his kid. Yeah. And not like his eight-year-old kid, his adult son. So, you know, again, that's just another amplifying. piece of data that that leads to the fact of something happened there. It's not what they told us happened there. And again, there's a cover up. Again, yeah. I think that's the key word. And I think

somebody else worth mentioning there from that particular video that we're talking about. The dad didn't know he was being that the FaceTime call was being recorded. He didn't call his dad and be like, hey, Dad, I'm recording this call. One of his buddies was in the corner recording their FaceTime call, unbeknownst to the dad. Right. So he didn't know that was even going to go out on social media. So even more so, the dad's thinking he's having a private FaceTime conversation with his son. And in that moment, he's still telling his son, yeah, don't ask me about it.

I can't talk about Miami. Right. Right. 100%. 100%. Yep. I don't know. I'll get you out of here on this, Anthony.

Again, thank you so much, Anthony Williams. spending so much time talking about this. Your second appearance here on the show, you, are a wealth of knowledge, someone who has served our country. And thank you for that. I've thanked you before, but I'll thank you again for serving our country the way that you have over the years in combat and out of combat. And you're someone who works within, you know, special operations analysis for all these different things that are going on in our world right now, even outside of, you know, talks of UAP and aliens. There's a lot of other things that you watch and take care of as

well, you know, with global affairs. So your time is valuable and your work is valuable. So again, I appreciate all your time that that you give here. That said, that's that long prolog. I'll get you out here on this. What is your view on the course for disclosure? Kind of taking everything in that you've analyzed and, you know, been read into over, say the past, let's just say the past five years and the way that it's developed and ramped up. What is your view for, I guess, how you see this going? Are we heading toward catastrophic disclosure, as they say, where it just boom, everything's going to come out, deal with it? Or are we heading more towards kind of where it's been? Here's the slow drip. Here's a little bit more information. Here's a little bit more information.

Or is it in between? How do you see this playing out in the future? So I, you know, great point. First of all, you know, as we're wrapping up here, I want to say thank you for having me again. It's an honor to be on your show. Additionally, I'd like to say that this show and show other podcasts like it are the real honest discussions that can be trusted by people today. And it's important work. It is these type of podcasts that have driven and created a large amount of content

that demands answers. Okay. So, and it leads me to my final point on disclosure. and where I think it's going to go. Unfortunately, fortunately or unfortunately, like I stated, we have disclosure on certain items and claims that Grush has made. They have been validated by congressional representatives, whether people think that's good enough or not.

It is what it is. That's a reality. The problem is from here on out, and I use the example of M.K. Ultra with the CIA, how long did it take for the CIA to regain the population's trust after MK Ultra? I will tell you that with certain members of the population, they still don't trust the CIA. Before the Department of Defense trusted the CIA again, honestly, was almost all the way up until 9-11. That was damage for decades. So when we look at disclosure, when the government comes out and however it, whatever level it is,

that each individual person needs to reconcile in their own mind is good enough for them. When it's good enough for the majority, you know, when we have the tipping point, when we have the what's the term that's used in business a lot, the, oh man, I'm blanking on it, that big snafu, you probably want to edit this out. the um uh oh man oh the the the critical mass

when enough of the critical mass believes that they have been disclosed to and we hit that critical mass whether that's half the population a third of the population 70% of the population all now believes that this thing is real the government acknowledges what they believe here's where disclosure runs into a problem.

Okay, you acknowledge these things aren't created here on earth by any known means. You admit that they've been coming in and out of our atmosphere, in and out of our water, in and out of everywhere, with impunity and unexplainable. You admitted that you captured biologics. Who are they? Where did they come from? What's their intent? Those are probably the next three questions.

if the government's honest answer is we don't know who's going to believe them because it's been covered up for so long that just like the CIA not being fully trusted didn't mean the CIA was lying about anything they put out but they had to earn that trust back they had to earn the trust back with other government agencies they had to earn that trust back with the department of defense and they had to earn that trust back with the civilian population that frankly is in control of government, that owns government. So when the government does disclose to a point where there is a critical mass of the population agrees and believes in disclosure, that is going to push the next set of questions,

the next answer is being demanded for. And the problem is what we know or don't know, maybe we know something, but now it does fall into that national security that they're not going to answer. Or what if we just honestly don't know? and either way, that is going to continue to look like a cover-up, that is going to continue to look like hiding. Now you've got whatever political party is in power that is at the microphone when that comes out, well, forget them, and the other political party is going to use it as leverage and this and that. And so you see the dilemma just from a geopolitical standpoint that disclosure creates when it hits,

critical mass. So I am all for catastrophic disclosure. I will be the first to pop a bag of popcorn and sit on my couch and watch the fireworks. I'm like, this is awesome. You know, when I hear people losing their minds and screaming at politicians and yelling at, you know, spokespeople from different government agencies, I'll be eating popcorn laughing and giggling like I was watching, you know, a dumb and dumber movie or something. But, I think those are realities that we need to just accept that, hey, look at what happened when this came out. That was not disclosure. That was caught and found by Congress and dragged out to the point where they had to say, yeah, our bad.

So whoever's hiding this, if this congressional effort works and they can do the same thing and drag it out and pull it out. And now we have this. Well, get ready for those next three questions. Who are they? where they're from, what's their intent? And whether the answer is we do know and we can't tell you or the answer is we don't know and we're not going to tell you or we're not going to admit that we know and we're not going to tell you, none of those responses are going to be believable for a long time. It will take a long time to regain trust. And I don't think

anyone is going to blame any administration in the past because they're all complicit for whatever reason, I would like to believe that decisions were made within the best interest of our population. I would like to believe that going back several decades. Whether that is the case now, I don't know that I believe that. Sometimes we do things because that's the way we've always done things. That's not necessarily a good answer. Well, really great perspective, Anthony, on all of this. And man, we covered a lot of bases, a lot of subjects. And quite frankly, we could probably keep going for hours on end. So that said, hopefully you'll be able to come back here at some points as, you know, more and more things develop, maybe more whistleblowers, the whistleblower

that you and I were talking about earlier. You know, when that takes place sometime this year and these stories continue to develop, I love to have you on again to get your perspective and get the information that you're able to pass along. Yeah, absolutely. I'm looking forward to it. you know, anytime. I'm always happy to lend perspective. And again, just one man's perspective, but coming from a different vantage point, you know, hopefully what we talk about

is helpful to someone. And again, just thank you for what you're doing. No, absolutely, man. Thank you. And thank you for your time. And we'll talk again soon, Anthony Williams. Thanks so much. And there you have it. Part two behind the current military intelligence

with Anthony Williams, someone who has a front row seat to everything going on behind the seat. scene. So again, really appreciate his time and his perspective on everything. It was really great to get his outlook on all this. And I'm sure we'll do it again. So hopefully you enjoyed these two parts because quite honestly, we probably could have gone for many, many more hours. There's just so much information out there to go over. But I hope you enjoyed these two parts because we did cover a lot. And I'm like I said, I'm sure there'll be much more in the future. I believe that

and I said it earlier. I'll say it again, 2024 is going to give us. a lot to talk about when it comes to the UAP subject. And it's not over yet, obviously, because you know, I always got something at my sleeve and something else coming up. Because in a few days' time, maybe early on next week, before the end of the month,

I'm going to release an interview that I did with Michael Sinkowski. And if you're not familiar with who that is, Michael Sinkowski is the Marine veteran who came out and said, yeah, I saw that jellyfish UAP video right after it happened. He was on with Jeremy Corbell. He's been on News Nation. And now he's on with me. And we spoke and it was a really cool conversation.

He's a great guy, you know, ready and willing to put this information out there, what he knows and what this could be. We go over all the theories, balloons, this and that, all the stuff. His conversations with Stephen Green Street and Mick West and everybody that he's spoken to, we cover all the bases. It's a really great conversation. and I really appreciate his time and his candidness just to be so open

in the interview that we had together so enjoy this episode hopefully you enjoy these two parts maybe you want to go back and listen whatever you want to do and then keep in mind

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