UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 12/6/23 - MH370 & New Information with Ashton Forbes

Episode Date: December 6, 2023

The mysteries surrounding the almost decade long disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight 370 continue to prevail, but the now famous MH370 investigator, Ashton Forbes, reveals new information that he says could even make a jury in a court of law believe that the videos which show the plane being teleported are indeed real...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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intriguing and very interesting and maybe you believe what you're going to hear maybe you won't that's the beauty of the show it's always up to you i'm never going to tell you what to believe and it comes from a, well, a controversial subject and quite frankly, and I don't think you mind me saying this because he knows a controversial person in Ashton Forbes, who I've spoken to before on the show, and boy, the conversations surrounding MH370, the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 in March of 2014, and the amount of evidence that Ashton has put forth recently, oh, really just over the past two or three months, since him and I spoke the first time has been incredible. The amount of attention that it has gotten, the amount of attention that he has gotten, different interviews and all the new things that have come out within the past two or three months.

So I thought, you know what, let's get Ashton back on the show here today. I know some of you love that idea. I know some of you don't love that idea, but by all means, you make up your own mind, and that's what I always try to do here is presenting you with the evidence and you take it from there.

So without further ado, I'm not going to take up too much time here because obviously a lot is going on in the UAP world with, you know, congressional hearings and or I should say congressional fights arguments about what's going to happen with the UAP Disclosure Act and things like that. Or will it turn into catastrophic disclosure as a term that's been thrown around? And it's a term you're going to hear now in this interview with myself and Ashton Forbes. So take a listen here all about what's going on with the latest. on the disappearance of MH370 and what could have happened to it and why Ashton says he knows what happened to it. Here's myself and Ashton discussing all of that on UAP weekly.

So Ashton, thanks for joining us here on UAP and man, we got a lot to cover. Well, first of all, thanks for coming back on. I know you've been really busy. Yeah, thanks, Stephen, for having me. I'd like to always get back to the people that have been, you know, helping give the evidence the platform and get stuff out there. So I appreciate you and your listeners for being here with us. Yeah, absolutely, man. I'm going to jump right into it because you've, like I said, you've been a very busy guy over the past few months since we last spoke.

You've been in a lot of other platforms and shows and things like that, which we'll get to. But just for everybody who's kind of not up to date, we first spoke about two or three months ago. I'm sure we've both lost track there so much that's happened since, you know, September or October. Where are we with the investigation of MH3.70? Have you come across any, you know, new tidbits, new. revelations since then that kind of would point to some really big evidence um yeah i think we've had some pretty big things uh get uncovered so you know the biggest thing that i'm most proud of is probably the edward c lin potential leaker information that i think it wasn't uh brand new back then but

we keep finding more and more evidence that has narrowed down the time frame of his deployment to within just a few weeks before and after Malaysian airlines flight 370 now i have to walk real quick so for anybody who's not familiar with that maybe a little backstory on it if you don't mind yeah well first of all mh370 is a plane that disappeared that uh you know went missing and they we got no official story for why this plane went missing we have these narratives there out there that we've basically been able to debunk and show that what we're dealing with here is potentially one of the largest verifiable conspiracies of all time and the implications here are something that we're now referring to is catastrophic disclosure is advanced technology that has been

held secret from us and kept from us a unification theory of quantum and macro which enables what a lot of people would believe to be just magic. Teleportation is what we think we're dealing with on the MH370 videos. And we were able to figure out who the leaker was. I dug through old news articles looking for people that would have disseminated classified information. And I found this guy, Edward C. Lin, who checks every single box. It's almost undeniable that it has to be him. He ended up spending six years in prison.

He got three years shaved off because he signed a plea deal. He had experience in signals intelligence. The classified information in question that he leaked was available on the internet. He got caught with flight manifest from a search and rescue operation in just two months after this incident happened. And he had been reassigned just several weeks after the plane went missing. So everything indicates that he was potentially a person on an airplane tracking the plane in real time that night. And so we were able to find a lot more evidence that really narrowed down that time frame, including some of the dates that I just mentioned that he had been reassigned March 25th.

That investigation into him began April 2nd, 2014, which is just like the next month. They potentially obfuscated everything around it. They added kind of phony charges to make people not realize what's going on with it. They waited to arrest him potentially because if they had arrested him too soon, people would have easily been able to tie his situation to the plane, as well as just yesterday or two days ago, I think we found a appeals document that he had appealed. And all over the appeal,

it talks about the damage he did to national defense. I even put a FOIA request into the NCIS, and I got back a total denial. It won't give me any information about the case whatsoever. They used an Obama-era exemption to state that this was being withheld for the interest of national defense and foreign policy, but it wasn't a spy case. So everything really comes down to national defense.

And even he argued that he wasn't trying to hurt national defense when he leaked, whatever he leaked. And it's like, well, that has to be the videos then because the conclusion that we've come to from deduction is that the person that leaked these didn't think they were hurting the U.S. government. They thought potentially they were just showing UFOs. And then later on, they had to be told, no, no, that wasn't just UFOs. That was our hyper-advanced teleportation technology that, you know, in my mind, it is reverse-engineered, but we can't say for sure.

Right. And so, you know, everything points to this guy being the one. And since we last spoke, you know, my platform has increased significantly. We've had, I don't even know what the numbers are now, 68,000 followers or something like this, which is to me mind-blowing because I've never been on TV. I've done podcasts, sure, but, you know, people that generally have this many followers are like on TV. They're famous for something or other, right? And I don't consider myself famous. So it's just, it's been kind of an incredible journey right now in terms of where we've gotten.

One of the thing I want to bring up that I think is pretty relevant that's interesting from the investigation is what I call the Chinese hack. We found these satellite pictures that China put out that supposedly were taking the day after the plane went missing. that were supposedly of debris in the South China Sea. But when you look at the pictures, it looks like three orbs. And it looks like three orbs in a perfect triangle formation, similar to what we see in the MH370 satellite videos, or the satellite video and the drone video. Right.

And, you know, I speculated early on. Well, I wonder if this is actually Spycraft, right? Like it's that they've obfuscated what the situation is around where these pictures were taken, even when these pictures were taken. And then it's a message to, like, the U.S. government saying, hey, we saw what you did, right? And I didn't really, I kind of left it pretty speculative at first because how do you prove that, right? I mean, there's no way, essentially. But then we find out, and I had forgotten about this too, like many aspects of the case

dating all the way back to 2014. The next day, March 9th, 2014, the day after the plane goes missing, China did a sophisticated social engineering hack on the Malaysian government. They stole the crisis meeting minute notes of the plane. and they stole classified information related to MH370, which I would just ask the listeners, what could be classified on March 9th, 2014 from the plane? Why would China be hacking this information trying to steal this unless they knew there was no debris field anywhere for a 777 crash into the ocean?

They knew something else happened to the plane. And they were trying to figure out, and they attacked the likely target that would note, right? The crisis meeting minute notes are going to be like, yeah, this is what we can talk about, this is what we can't talk about, the classified information, like to me, it would have to be communications. Communications were classified.

And they all- Yeah, I was going to say, how would China come across that information, right? We're talking about, you know, essentially what, like you said, the day after the disappearance. How does, I mean, are they just that sophisticated themselves where they, you know, they're keeping tabs on all these things? I mean, you know, it was over, you know, Malaysia and everything. So proximity-wise, but how do they even come across that information? Well, two things.

First of all, they have satellites in the sky too. So we checked where that satellite was located and it actually could see the Nicobar Islands where we think the videos happen. We were even able to check the range. I haven't reported this out, but I've actually seen it firsthand that yes, it covered a wide enough area where it could have been looking directly at where our satellite videos were taken. We're breaking news here right now, right? That's the first time you're putting that out there. Quite a bit. I don't think I've even really mentioned it.

So yes, this could very well be true. And I have to dig back up because like all this evidence has now been. We've so much has come in. I've got to dig through it and sift through it. And I've been so busy. But yeah, so theoretically it could see there and see that location, as well as this Mayday call that we have reported on that was only reported in Chinese news that the idea here, this was a intercepted communication that from the, I believe, Thai embassy.

So China intercepted a potentially encrypted U.S. communication that was from MH370 that was claimed to be that the plane was disintegrated and attempted emergency to land. Now, we reported this on several times because it corroborates what we see in the videos where this plane has smoke coming out of it. It's descending. It's turning like you would expect a plane that's like getting preparing to land in the ocean. And it's consistent with the witness's sighting, Catherine T, who also saw it descending as well as turning. And she thought that it was potentially trying to land in the ocean. So it's possible that China already knew something was up because they had that intercepted communication from the night before, right, and from the day before. and then they're going, okay, well, we have satellites.

We can, you know, a debris field from a 777 is going to be visible from space for several days. Yeah. So they're looking around with their satellites and going, okay, there's no, there's no debris field anywhere. Like we would see this smoking debris field in the ocean somewhere and there's nothing. That's when they go, okay, who do we start to hack, right? Sure, you could hack the United States, but what they did was a social engineering hack. They put out something that said, you know, I think it was actually that they claimed, oh, the plane had been found. click on this link right and then somebody in the Malaysian government clicked on it and then boom now they've got a backdoor into their entire database

And then they didn't find it out till like later that day like 12 hours later and That's when they shut down their whole servers or what have you but man that's just the fact that they was already classified information to steal at that point about the plane Extremely suspicious to me and actually in my mind rules China out from being a culprit in this a lot of people wonder well Could China have done this or even Russia? I just China, I think it's ruled out from this. Russia, I just don't think has the capabilities or resources to pull something off about what we're seeing here. To me, it has to be United States government. And they're the ones filming as well. I wonder if you've heard this before too. And we have so much to get here to today. And this is just fascinating. And I know, and I'm going

to put this out there too. I know there are some people who, you know, as many people are supporting you. There is also people who doubt you. So we're going to get into some of that stuff too. You know, they say, hey, challenge them, challenge them. We have a lot to get to here. Okay. So yeah, go for it. But just on that note, with China and Russia, when it comes to, you know, could it have been them as opposed to the United States using advanced technology, I wonder if you've heard something like this before because in my, you know, I guess sources, you can say right, everybody has sources. But I have, you know, people who work with in military intelligence who have spoken to me before and they told me, you know, many times, anything that might be, you know, UFO, UAP, related advanced technology versus engineer technology is more than likely coming from the United States because China and Russia, whatever they have, has been stolen from the United

States. And that's not me saying that. That's people within, you know, work with the military intelligence who have told me this before, of course, who have to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. Have you heard stuff like that before, too? No, but it adds up with everything that I've been investigating and deducing from what's been going on. You know, four months ago, I would have said I I wouldn't have been sure the United States is the strongest military power on the planet anymore. And now I have no question that the United States is unquestionably at the top and that everybody else is playing, trying to play catch up. And, you know, I think that these videos were probably, if not the, actually, I just think they're probably the most significant leak of information to China and Russia probably in our lifetimes. Because this is the type of thing where this is a Trump card that sets you 100 years apart.

from other technology of other countries. And when this type of thing leaks, then now the other countries are going to start reverse engineering it right away. And I've said this multiple times, but if we can figure this out from a Twitter account and Google, then boy, I really hope those intelligence agencies have figured it out. And it also adds up with why I wouldn't have been more overtly silenced or why the intelligence community of the United States haven't reached out to me. Because if this stuff hadn't been known to Russia and China, like they absolutely should

have been reaching out to me to say, hey, be quiet. it, here's a million dollars or something like that, right? Like, it's definitely worth it. So the fact that they haven't done that yet tells me that, yeah, they are not as worried about this leaking out that they don't think it's going to do significant damage and that the real reason why they would run the disinformation campaign on me then is that this information getting out to the public is the bigger concern at this point. Who do you feel like is part of a disinformation campaign against you?

What have you seen? What have you noticed if you thought, oh, well, this account, this person, whatever it might be, is, you know, some type of government shill that is trying to discredit what I'm putting out there. Yeah, you know, it's tough. Like, I don't really want to be attacking and naming people in general because it's hard to distinguish and differentiate people between people that are disillusioned and people that are disingenuous. And so, you know, from that perspective, I'm not really sure. But if I will name one person, it would be Jack Sarfati.

I think that this guy is a spook for. sure. I think that he's mentally unhinged as well. I think he's a complete egotistical maniac who thinks that he was part of some secret government program because he has superhuman powers or something weird like that and that he got some message from the future. Guy's a complete nut job for sure. And I think that he's pushing out disinformation about me and about some of the engineers and stuff that I've been talking to. So if I was going to name anyone it would be him i think he's certainly got cia contacts that are feeding him disinformation as well um and so people should definitely be careful of this guy um he's not a good person either i mean

just one of the worst people on the face of the planet i've ever dealt with wow um so he's the only person i would probably name directly but otherwise from the rest from other people you know i don't know who's got contacts here there or you know what they're being told in general and i'm not trying to make enemies with people so sure um you know you know, whatever. The reality is that, you know, as long as you're, you know, cordial with me, then I'm going to have no, you know, reason to hate on you. In fact, I've been trying to build bridges with a lot of the UAP community that initially, I think, couldn't believe and maybe still can't believe that these videos are real. Because I think that there are just a lot of people out there

where we have the same common goals, you know, which is to bring disclosure of advanced technology out to the world and people know that, you know, the U.S. government knows more than they claim and that they have potentially advanced technology. The only question I think everybody asks and what we disagree on is, well, how advanced is it, right? Can it actually be teleportation technology? And what I would say to those people is, well, what do you think it is? Right. And I don't mean this in a condescending way, but if you think that there are other beings that are

visiting our plant, how do you think they're getting here, right? Like if they're not using chemical propulsion rockets to get here, the nearest star is four light years away. So do you think they're spending four years in a spaceship at the speed of light to get to us? You know, I almost have to have the ability to travel faster than the speed of light in order to get to our planet. So if you think that there are other beings visiting us, which I'm not 100% convinced of, then there has to be a mechanism to travel faster than the speed of light. But you could also just argue, okay, maybe there's, we found some, archaeological digs that have these craft or something like that, right?

And that this is how we reverse engineered it. I think there's still a possibility that we don't need any of that to explain the technology and that, you know, what have we been doing since the 40s, right? We have been, you know, reverse engineering, you know, or not reverse engineering, but since we split the atom, like, that's 80 years ago, right? It's not like we've been doing nothing since then. So, you know, that would be my argument is, okay, there's, people just need to think.

about I think the what this technology really means. And the last thing I would say on it, then you can ask me some more questions or grill me or whatever challenge me is. We need to be thinking about bigger than nukes, much bigger than nukes. I think that there's this common concept about nukes and UFOology. You know, I've heard the stuff about shutting down nukes, which I'm not questioning whatsoever. But what I'm saying is that you need to scale it up. You need to say, okay, you know, this technology represents something that's much more dangerous than nukes, represents something where, you know, even an individual could destroy not just the planet, but potentially our whole sun, stuff like that.

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have a bounty of 145. So it went up 5,000 before. I added my own 5,000 yesterday. After I, it's, we pushed out some videos that show that the first orb actually punctures a hole through the And not only does it puncture a hole through the cloud, but you can actually see the displacement of the cloud before the orb gets there, which is consistent with this forward-facing gravity engine where it's created its own geodesic. And when I saw that and the details of that, and then it got, you know, there's arguments over whether or not it was real. And finally, someone third party was able to prove it conclusively using some detailed analysis. That's when I decided, okay, it's time for me to put my own skin in the game on this as well. No one's going to find this hoaxer. So I also just wanted to round it out because 1.45 is kind of an awkward number.

So 150 makes it a little bit easier to keep track of. I think there's also been rumors that people are considering adding significantly more than what I'm able to add into this pot, just to keep adding the pressure on it. But we don't want to keep adding it up where, like, you know, if somebody's out there, they're waiting for the pot to go up enough enough, enough, enough. I would hope that $150,000 plus probably any job at any major studio is enough for someone to come out and admit that they were the ones to hoax these. videos but if there's somebody hoax these videos they would only have between four and 72 days to do so depending on whether or not you believe the regicide and non-description in the original video that we can see going all the way back to early 2014 that says received march 12th 2014 i mean that date is extremely damning that's four days after the event happened

right that's barely enough time for somebody to record these and get it out to someone else and then the published date is may 19th 2014 which is roughly 72 days after the plane went missing. So at best, you have 72 days, which any major studio is going to tell you, you can't put out a work of, you know, this magnitude from a CGI perspective, in that short period of time. I think a lot of people have this ability, even myself, to overestimate your abilities, right? When I'm at work, I tell people, I'll get that to you by tomorrow, right?

Next thing I know it's a week later. I'm going, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, got sidetrack, got this, those stuff come up, you know, or it took longer than I, thought. And I think we do see a lot of people out there, people that make bold claims. I could do that in an hour. I could do that in four hours. These people are totally full of crap, 100%. If they could do that, they would have done it. Right. They would have done it and they didn't and nobody's been able to. So first thing I want to bring up is very important. There's no reference copy to copy from here. So a lot of people have been pushing this fake VFX debunk, claiming that we're

looking at some 90s video game graphic, which is so absurd that I can't believe I still have to refute it. We're not looking at any 90s video game graphics in our, in these, I mean, 370 videos. It would have to be a 100% perfect match, not a, oh, it looks close enough that it's too close to not be it. We've already shown that there's like a million other different things in nature that look just like, have the same pattern, wave patterns that we see on the edge of our blast of these endothermic event here, including supernovas and other scientific patterns that are out there. That is in no way evidence or proof that these videos are fake, especially not when you're doing it on a single frame.

And if you were to modify something, it's not a situation where you have a side by side and you can convert like an apple into an orange. It would be like taking an apple and converting into an orange without any picture of the orange or knowing what an orange looks like. Right. And then just randomly changing the apple until eventually got it to look like an orange. Right.

So the other analogy is it's like giving a monkey a typewriter and then waiting until they produce Shakespeare. Like it's just not going to happen. Like you don't have some. something can compare to, the monkey doesn't have Shakespeare to copy and write. And I think this is where most people don't understand this. To me, it seems like simple logic. But for a lot of people that find the videos too hard to believe, cognitive dissonance takes over and they come up with any rationale for why the videos can't be real.

Now, in addition to all this, we have realistic volumetric clouds that do show parallax, unlike some debunkers who falsely claim that they don't. They do. We have these cameras that need to be accurately animated, including the shaking that we see. There's actually a shutter. It actually increases as the video, the drone video zooms in, just like it would in real life. So the shakiness actually increases when you zoom in versus zoom out on it, which is all extremely accurate. You'd have to know how these clouds form at low altitudes. We see these cumulus clouds as well.

This isn't like clouds at a very high altitude. So you've had to build a whole storyboard for what we're seeing in these videos, which that alone, you know, I've been building storyboards for one minute videos and they end up taking all night. right um you have to know how to accurately illuminate these clouds the zap actually accurately illuminates the clouds in the foreground and the background in the satellite video which we believe is explained by the energies uh the electrons being energized uh in the area around it that's the part really gets me by the way is where you see that that that's that's hard that's really hard to duplicate if you're going to i mean it looks extremely real to me when you see that zap right like that's especially when the clouds are detailed volumetric and accurate and showing parallax when they zoom in

like that's some of the strongest evidence in my opinion now you also have to be able to recreate exactly what mh370 looks like both in the satellite video we see it's light on the top dark on the bottom which is consistent with Malaysian airlines in thermal it's a perfect overlay 100% perfect overlay over the plane um you'd have to be able to recreate the turn radius of the boeing 777 wall at that certain altitude wall in descent this is probably the next hardest part is that this is where the supposed uh vfx expert from top gun maverick who posted on Reddit so that this is the person that did this would have front ran their work by four years that movie was in 2022 and they said that they actually had to cheat the shots about the

plane moving because it's extremely difficult to get it to scale to accurate speed given the size we see the plane in the video right so for you know so that's something that's like okay well is this person an engineer that works on airplanes how do they know exactly to get the perfect consistency of the Boeing 777 maxing his capabilities you'd have to know where the plane was at the exact time as well. It's actually on the official flight path at 1840 UTC in the Nicobar Islands at the exact location where this plane turned into the South Indian Ocean. I mean, people don't realize, but early on there was, again, I keep using this word, but there was so much obfuscation about where the plane was. Did it disappear in the South China Sea?

Did it go to the South Indian Ocean? Like this stuff wasn't easy to discern if you were somebody on the outside. Especially that early on too, right? Like you said, this was loaded 72 days after the disappearance. Yeah, even, and so four days after, there wasn't even a narrative of the South Indian Ocean. And in fact, like we were still looking at the South China Sea. In 72 days after still people don't know. Even nowadays, people are like, wait, so where does this plane disappear?

It disappeared in the South China Sea because they think, oh, it went dark there, but they don't realize, no, it flew. And then it went over to the Andaman Sea, and then it flew south after that, supposedly into South Indian Ocean, which never happened. And then we have these coordinates. So the coordinates, again, indicate the south, the Nicobar Islands there. And you would have to be able to build this program.

I was actually wrong. I've been saying that it's five decimal places. It's actually six decimal places on GPS coordinates that are showing there that move accurately when they move the perspective. And it's not like it just moves from one coordinate to the other. You can actually see the minute coordinate changes as it's slowly shifting the screen. You have to build a complete recreation of like Google Earth in order to get this. And I don't think Google Earth has this kind of capability built into it.

now this person also has to be some kind of geography expert and build this over this separate computer program for the coordinate shifts um you'd have to know this smoke trail that we see which some people have argued maybe it's exhaust people have tried to say well it can't be smoke because here's a picture of me cooking barbecue and you don't see the smoke like guys we're talking about lithium ion battery fire spewing toxic chemicals we're not talking about you barbecueing outside your house right like this isn't steam that's coming out of the plane here uh and so yes this type of stuff can be seen in infrared, various chemicals and hydrocarbons do show up in infrared. So it definitely could be smoke.

I'm not sure why people really are contesting that. But creating those particles. And actually in the drone video, it stacks up where it becomes more dense and you can actually see it more white than when the drone is like looking at it from an angle, from a side angle, which is also very accurate, right? Like if you were looking at smoke and it's stacked up, it's going to be denser than if it's not. So all these little details are starting to make this like really impossible.

You'd have to know what the thermal looks like to a level that fools the experts. Because, I mean, we've even got some drone people that are out there claiming to be experts. They're like, this can't be what it looks like. But, you know, we've looked into the Raytheon cameras. This is almost certainly a Raytheon camera that has onboard software. They can do a rainbow palette thermal overlay. So they removed the HUD. They added this rainbow overlay.

We don't know the exact color settings and the temperature settings that they used. But we can kind of estimate. just based on the engine, seeing the engine red hot, right? Yeah. You'd have to know how to do this heat signature that we see in the center of the plane, which actually accurately morphs and changes as the plane's flying around. We've speculated at this point that this is coming from the AC units, but I think also that logical conclusion would be that the smoke is very hot when it comes out of the plane,

and then it cools very quickly in the altitude. And this could explain why we see this heat signature there, but the problem is we don't have anything to compare to. It's not like we have another drone video of another plane flying at altitude, right, that we can compare, especially because we don't know what those thermal settings are on this. We would have to know, there's a lot of stuff that why the person who leaked this would pretty much have to be in the military, or the person who would have hoaxed this would also have to be in the military, because you have to have knowledge of military classified systems unknown to the public.

Know that the military is using a citric's environment, which is how we were able to confirm this mouse is at 24 frames per second. on a satellite video where the background is only six frames per second, you would have to know what type of mouse they're using. There's actually a specific acceleration that we see with the, I believe it's a perspective change that is indicative of like a touchpad or not a touchpad, but either like a roll ball or like a lock and click mechanism or a second analog or even one of those, I don't know if they call it a nip on your touch pad,

on your laptop that they use some of these like think pads have in the middle yeah but there's a different acceleration that comes with that that we've seen in the video as well one other thing that i'll point out is that a thing that i just noticed a couple days ago is that the mouse actually changes color depending on if it's over the clouds or over the ocean it goes from black to being transparent which is like why would you fake that into your if it was a hoax video would just be like a single color like this is actually the only reason why you do that's because it's accurately like somebody really looking in looking at logging in looking at looking at looking at a satellite video and they want the mouse to be visible, right, when they're actually

scrolling around the screen. You'd have to know what the satellites are in operation, what their payload is. We've proven that USA-229 is sitting there staring at the location where this plane supposedly turns in the South Indian Ocean where we think our videos are happening right there that has a second satellite right next to it because the registered non-video is stereoscopic. So if we need to be able to explain why there's two angles staring down at the plane, then we've got our two satellites right there, right in the location that can send that data. And what I will say, just a little side note right now, a lot of people wonder questions about

why does it look like the clouds are not moving, they are moving. Why does it look like, why don't we see the satellite moving? Because we're not staring like at the data from the satellite while it's moving. Looking at the Cibber system, which is global persistent surveillance monitoring, scanning the globe all the time. It's building a Google video playback for the military. The reason why we even have coordinates is because they're moving around the globe, right? And they can move around and essentially see a huge battlefield awareness map, which is very useful for the military.

Sure. If we were just looking through the satellite, we wouldn't need coordinates. It's not like they're using the satellite and they're moving it around with the coordinates, right? What they're doing is they're moving around and the data is being fed 24-7 nonstop to create a real-time video playback. Have to know how to animate the orbs. These orbs, we can see a heat signature in them. We can see this forward facing particle engine that I've described as this gravity engine that's creating their own geodesic around them or in front of them that that's pulling them along. You'd have to know how to animate the final frames where the orbs converge on the plane.

They flatten showing gravitational lensing the same way if we were to look at a star that's behind a black hole. Right. As well as the plane blurring because the plane's accelerating in the final frame as well. just like if you were trying to take a picture of a runner. These are very minute details. You're going to have to know what the MQ1C Grey Eagle drone looks like. There's only a few pictures out there

that have the MQ1C with the cameras on the wings as well. Maybe a special payload. So somehow they would have to know that. Like if I'm making a drone video, I'm probably going to use the most common pictures, which are the ones where they have the missiles on the side and the cameras in the front

where you don't see the nose of the drone. And you'd have to know where that payload is. exactly to get that exact camera angle. As I mentioned, I already mentioned the quote from the Top Gun Maverick VFX expert, but we also, the Total Disclosure podcast, he knows Jeffrey Ford from Marvel VFX expert, spoke to him, texted with them. Marvel VFX expert who worked on end game, Captain America Civil War, Spider-Man, No Way Home, says that to build a storyboard, to investigate all the research behind this and get it

together, even using today's technology, we're talking four to six months. Wow. Um, so, you know, there's people out there that are YouTubers who think they could do it in a couple hours and, you know, definitely they're just full of crap out in the house to put it. You'd have to have a better understanding of physics than most PhDs because everything we see here can be explained by science. I've been talking to engineers, physicists, um, people who are DOD contractors. And they fully believe that what we're seeing here is consistent with real

capabilities that are. just simply unknown. And then we have some PhDs out there to say, no, this can't be possible. I have people in my space is going, well, I haven't been taught this, so it can't be real, right? And so, you know, this hoaxer would have to have a better understanding of what theoretical physics would have been like in 2014 than a lot of people do right now in 2023. You'd have to understand advanced mathematics, probably better than a lot of math PhDs as well, because these orbs are doing a perfect 120 degrees zero point sinusoidal pattern, which electrical engineers have told. me that this is like a 440 volts system, which, you know, I'm not smart enough to fully understand this, but I can understand when I'm looking at a wave function, and it's a perfect wave function, meaning we're not looking at beings or humans moving this around. It's got to be a computer

program managing this, remote controlled, maybe advanced AI controlling it. So all these details make it extremely difficult. And I think the most interesting one is that you would somehow have to know that we are never going to find the plane, not even nine and a half years later. Because the moment we find a plane, this whole hoax would break down, right? So the person would also probably have to be psychic. I'm just joking. No, I mean, that's an interesting point. Thanks for the explanation.

I mean, because honestly, gosh, there's a lot I want to touch on from there. But with the final point, too, it's honestly something I never thought about. Like if you're going to fake a video, you would kind of have to bet, unless you're just some type of, you know, absolute whiz, most talented, you're the Mozart of faking videos and you're able to do this just because you want to. And you're just going to, you know, roll the dice and say, well, they're never going to find the plane anyway. So might as well put this out there. It's, it's an interesting point. And you really, I mean, my gosh, Ashton, I mean, you have what I think trial lawyers would consider a mountain of evidence. If you were, say, you would,

present this evidence in a court of law. If you did something like that. that right again this is completely hypothetically speaking if you were asked to go into court and prove under penalty of perjury that what you're saying is true would you feel confident enough to go in there and explain and present everything that we just talked about as to why this is real 100% if if i even had the opportunity i would go take the bar exam just so i could get my lawyer license so that i could actually go do this people have like tried to say well uh and not lot of people, but occasionally I get the message like, well, you're damaging the families. They might sue you or something like that or government might come after you for this.

I'm like, please, let's go to the court of law with this. You don't think I can convince 12 jurors with this? I think 100%. Any court situation, I'm asking for a jury to be involved. And I think that we have more evidence than any court case in the history of the world. We've got just to start off two videos, 19 witnesses. You know, we've got the location, the assets, the time. it's like, you know, I don't know what people think is evidence if they don't think that this is like straight up hard evidence.

People get convicted of murder for much less than this just on circumstantial evidence alone constantly. So this is the part where definitely I'm not afraid of a courtroom, not at all, especially with this magnitude of evidence out there. You mentioned the families. I mean, have you spoken? Have you had the chance to speak to any families? Have you tried to reach out? Because that is one criticism I see a lot. And I understand a lot of people say, well, this is so disrespectful to the families.

You know, we shouldn't even be delving into this because the families, they lost family members. They never see them again. What type of, you know, controversy do you come across there? And have you been able to speak to anybody? Yeah, none. And the fake compassion argument is probably the most disingenuous argument that's out there. The people that make that argument probably haven't ever cared about anybody but themselves their whole lives. So I think that especially the people that I've seen make that argument are not type of people that care about others.

So I think that's, first of all, just completely ridiculous that people would make that argument and definitely should not because it just doesn't ring true when they do. The families were given no official answer. The official answer, what happened in this plane is unknown. That's actually the actual official answer. There is no official cause. Let's say they're the families come across what you're doing, right? Yeah, I hope I do. One of the family members, do you think they would feel closure by what you're doing?

I don't know if they'll feel closure, but I think they'll get more answers than they've been given to date. there's people still fighting in China right now as of like about a week ago that they have the court case. I think that that's actually one of the ways that we can get the information out there. So I reached out to the lawyers of the court case that was in the United States where Malaysia Airlines versus Thomas Wood was able to find the court case on

at some of the lawyers called them, told them to call me back. Haven't heard back yet, but you know, I don't know what their mindset is on a lot of this. The reality is this court case was dismissed in 2018. The federal judge that dismissed it Her name is Katengi Brown Jackson. She was promoted to Supreme Court justice under Biden a few years ago. Right.

And I just, that made me almost drop down the rabbit hole once again. Because the reality is if these videos are real, this court case should have been tried in the United States. 100%. The U.S. government is implicated based in the evidence that I've seen here. And they dismissed it because they said that Malaysia is a better location for it, despite the fact that Thomas Wood's brother, Philip Wood, is an American. passenger or American, that Boeing's an American company. They decided Malaysia Airlines is the one.

And what this meant was that the settlements were much, much smaller. I looked them up. I couldn't believe it. Everyone was given a $50,000 uncontingent payout initially. But after that, they got basically signed, had to sign essentially an agreement that says they won't talk about the case anymore if they take the additional settlement, which is only roughly $30,000 on average. You lose your family and you get $30,000.

Like it's unfathomable to me, especially because some of these people, it's like their income earners were lost. And now this is like eight years they're going through nine years for this. And depending on when they sign the settlements. So the ones that are still out there, the people say these people got closure, no way. Now, some of them moved on for sure. And I know for a fact that some of them have haven't gotten remarried or what have you, but they didn't get any closure. And so I have no qualms with continuing to push forward with this under the guise of hurting the families.

That's certainly not something I think is real. And to date, not a single family member has reached out to me. Not in any way. Definitely not to tell me to not stop looking. So, you know, when that day comes, they tell me to stop looking, I will potentially consider it. But the reality is here, as sad as this is to say, and because the reason is we're doing this for the families, the pilots that were vilified falsely, the witnesses that were discredited falsely, the leaker who went to prison for over six years.

Despite all that, the technology supersedes it. It just overshadows it. That aspect of it is more important than the plane going missing. Now, it doesn't mean ultimately at the end of the day, if the U.S. government admits that's MH370 on these videos, I will be happy. And I will probably start to stand down on this, though I will continue to have the discussion about what true disclosure means.

because I don't want to hurt the national defense either. I love my country. But the reality is this technology is world shattering, world changing. It's catastrophic disclosure. It blows away all the disclosure timelines that are out there, the people that are schemers that are making plans. It destroys the slow acclamation process of getting people used to what this technology can mean over decades, potentially, even centuries,

not sure what exactly the timeline is on their plan. And so that's what I think is the biggest part of this. And that's what I think we need to do is we need to be having the discussion. What does this technology mean? How is it going to change our world? How do we get it out there without destroying ourselves? What do you have to say to somebody like McWest? And I bring him up because, you know, obviously famous debunker,

if you know Ashton's work, if you know my work, that you know who Mick West is because he's on the other side of the spectrum when it comes to this conversation. And all due respect to him, I have nothing personally. against the guy. I've never met him or anything like that. So, I mean, I'm sure he's a fine human being and, you know, and everything like that. But we kind of had a little interaction with McWest on Twitter X, whatever you want to call it. And I put it out there. I'm actually the one that kind of, you know, started the conversation between you and McWest where I said, let's get you both on the show here, on UAP. Let's talk about this together. Let's have a debate of sorts.

And let Mick say why he thinks these videos are faked, why he thinks, You're lying about it and let you discuss why that isn't the case. So if Mick West was here, obviously he declined. And the invitation is still open, by the way, Mick. So if this gets back to you, I'm happy to have him on. If he was here right now, what would you say to him outside of everything we already spoke about? If there was one thing, one thing that you could point to him and say, this is why you're wrong and I'm right, what would you say to him or anybody in that case that has his opinion? Well, I would say they just need to look at the totality of the evidence, right?

I think that a lot of these people try to look past the evidence and come up with their own reasons for why the videos are not authentic. He kept saying, well, why should I come on in debate? Because the video is fake to begin with. I don't need to talk about fake videos. I was like, that's a pretty close-minded view, right? I mean, that's not the way that a logical, rational person thinks is that somebody who's logical and rational is going to look at the evidence and then they're going to come to an informed conclusion. People that ignore the evidence and then just think that they must have. all the answers are not people that are thinking logically or rationally.

So I have nothing against McWest, but what I would say is that people that are lying about the videos, and he's pushed out the most disinformation of anybody to date by a wide, wide margin. The only reason why the VFX debunk exists is because of him. It all goes back to him. And I don't think a lot of people even realize that he's the originator of that. And that's how social contagion is so toxic and pervasive in our society. is that a single person can obfuscate where the information comes from. It can be pushed by social media to the point where people adopt those beliefs as their own.

And if you were asked a lot of people, do you know that that came from McWest? They would say they had no idea. Because now it's been pushed by other fake experts like the corridor crew and other people on YouTube, et cetera. And no one really knows where it goes back to. But it goes back to a guy whose whole job is try to debunk videos, who's tried to debunk real DoD Navy videos from 2017, which is just weird to make. me that you would even try to do that. He also tried to debunk the cibbers stuff too, which also just very bizarre.

And so, no, I think that I don't know if he's just delusional or if he's at a point where he has too much to lose at this point because, you know, people, he will lose, he doesn't have any credibility, but he would lose whatever little credibility he has left with the people that still believe in him. And what I would say to him, too, is that it's one thing to try to debunk, you know, UFO videos that's harmless, right? All you're doing there is preventing us from learning and, you know, advancing as a society and a human race

in terms of getting the technology that can change the whole world. But it's another thing to lie about a plane full of 3, 238 people, 239 people, I believe, that went missing, that we never got any official answers. When you start lying about things that are essentially criminal, the disappearance of this many people, then this rises to a level seditious conspiracy. We put people in prison for,

for 17 years that were not even at the riots that happened on the Capitol on January 6th. So I think that people should be very careful about what they lie about related to these videos and the disappearance of this plane because this precedent has already been set. That seditious conspiracy does not mean you have to be directly involved in it. You being involved in hiding the videos is plenty in a court of law. And like I said, I'm not afraid of a court of law. I will also say, too, that the people who are lying and pushing fake videos about them being debunked should also be very careful because there's also precedent that if you lie about events that

happen you might get fined and sued for a billion dollars oh gosh so you know and i actually mentioned this on a particular show that i was on that's very popular and conspiracy of the venues for somebody who was uh sued for a billion dollars um over an incident that happened and due to them lying or supposedly lying about it so if you are a YouTuber out there that has six million subscribers and you don't want to be sued for a billion dollars by the families after lying about the incident of the plane and what happened to it, if I were you, I would delete your videos that are out there trying to claim that they're fake because the reality is that is evidence that can be used against you in the future when these videos are authenticated and declassified.

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Why do you think, now obviously you have your reasons for what you do, right? It was natural curiosity. I think that kind of let you down the rabbit hole, so to speak. And now here we are today of, you know, these things that you've come across and you have all these notes and all the evidence that, you know, you say you have compiled there and you presented it obviously very well. On the other end, why do you think those people, whether it's Mick West or whether it's a YouTuber with six million subs? What is, what do you think their end game is?

And I know it's hard to get in somebody's head. I don't want you to put words in anybody's mouth. But from your experience, from everybody who's come at you from the opposite side, what do you think their endgame is? Why are they so passionate on the other end to say, you're wrong, these are fake and you're part of it? It's hard to say. And I don't think that necessarily they are directly in cahoots with the people and the government agencies that are trying to hide this stuff.

But I do think that they potentially could be being used to that respect. I think that a lot of people have no issue understanding that the government controls or media. Like people think that we live in a society with free media in the United States. I would argue that our media is no different than Chinese media, Russian media. It's state-sponsored. I think that the government agencies are smart enough to know where the influence is and how to try to discredit. of people who have influence if they won't cooperate. I think that they definitely can control YouTubers and TikTokers and other influencers.

I would argue that Mick West is an influencer, most likely. And I would love to know whether or not he's being paid by the government to quote unquote influence people. And I think that a lot of that's come out as well with stuff like the Twitter files where not only they're influencing people for manipulation purposes, but they control social media as well. So, you know, I think that the idea here then is that people get used and told stuff, you know, one thing that came out from some of the podcasters who very bizarrely tried to essentially debunk me in person and failed miserably is that they were being told misinformation by multiple people about me. One of the things that I'll just go ahead and say here is that they were told by five, one of them's claimed by five different individuals that I was using bots to post comments on their on their videos and their YouTube, which is categorically false. I've never used any bots or anything like that.

I'm a 100% honest and open person. All you have to do is talk to me about anything. And the fact that there's this many people pushing misinformation, disinformation, objectively false statements about me to try to sway the opinions of people who are interviewing me means there's something going on there. Like that's not normal behavior at all. And so, you know, they're being manipulated whether or not it's overtly or indirectly. I'm not sure. This is also part of the reason why I've been trying to extend an olive branch back out to part of the UFO community because if I think about it logically, it makes sense why people that are trying to hide this are going to be trying to play both sides against each other, where in the end of the end of the end of the end of the day, we're going to be trying to us that can change the same stuff. Yeah, and that's what it comes down to, I think, with a lot of the things are going on out there.

And I think that's fair to say. I'm curious because you've had a lot of people coming at you, right? You mentioned some of the podcasts or some YouTubers, things like that. But on the other end, you've also increased your visibility when it comes to different interviews. You mentioned, you know, one famous one, we can say his name, I think, is Alex Jones. You were on the Alex Jones show recently. you were with Kim Ravers, I believe, as well recently. So with this increased visibility that you're kind of experiencing,

are you also seeing an increased awareness and the evidence that you are kind of presenting in with someone like Alex Jones. I mean, was he on your side, so to speak? Or, I mean, what was some of those things like for you? And how is that kind of changed things now? Yeah, reality is Alex Jones. impressed me a lot. I didn't know how it would go down or what his attitude would be in general.

I knew he was, you know, it's probably the number one name in the conspiracy community in general. So it was in a type of situation where I could turn it down one way or another. I did have people telling me not to talk to him, but you know, people tell me other people not to talk to me. So how I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't talk to him to begin with? And I've learned that regardless of people's preconceived notions, we have to, you know, set a clean slate. We have to judge people by what they say, not what people say about them. I also don't have the luxury of not talking to certain people either. Anyone who has a platform, I'm willing to get the evidence out there.

I'm not afraid of talking in front of anybody about the evidence or even going back and forth. I'm not afraid to being challenged either, honestly. Alex Jones, I think this is a quote from a truly one of those mind-blowing interviews we've ever done on Info Wars. So if I do die early of, you know, whatever sudden causes or anything like that, just put that on my gravestone. Okay.

That's high praise coming from him, in my opinion. And I think as the visibility's increased, some of the attacks have died down because at this point, like, you can't stop it anymore, right? It's grown to a point where it can't be managed. The evidence has gotten out there more. I see the people who are the followers repeating the evidence that I put out there. And that's the whole reason why I put it out there so that people can just answer people's questions. So I don't have to be the one, you know, months ago, I was the one replying to every single reply as much as I could. now I've got so many followers, so many updates.

I just literally can't do that anymore. I don't have the time for it. I can't even keep up with my emails that people are responding to me now anymore. So that's what I'm just, I'm proud of that. I'm glad of that. I think that, you know,

if anything were to happen to me, the evidence is going to stay out there and people will pick up and go with it. And it also makes me feel a bit safer because it means that the information is decentralized. It's not that I have all the information in my head. And I, again, what I want to say, too, is that I never asked for any of this to happen.

You know, people, I've had a few people tell me that I'm famous, which I don't feel famous, and I don't think I am. But, you know, I do want to make sure that the families get the answers to what happens this plane. We all deserve the answer. The whole world does what happened to this plane. And I won't stop until that happens. Well, actually, it's funny because I was going to say, you know, kind of what is, what is the end game?

And it sounds like the end game for you is really full and unadulterated disclosure when it comes to this issue. Yeah. I think we're calling a catastrophic disclosure now, right? I like that term a lot that people have brought out there. Catastrophic disclosure. I think that this is something that, you know, the intelligence community, the government thought that, oh, these videos have been hidden, you know,

no one's going to ever figure it out, right? Nine years goes by. We've got these group of social media people and just some normie guy comes out of nowhere and just starts singing about them, right? Start digging into that and starts deducing everything that is, essentially supposed to be hidden. So I think the end game, really, though, is at this point, we need to get the U.S.

government to make a statement about the videos, right? We can force them into a statement. The fact that they've made no statement today is also very telling, right? I'm not sure they can even legally lie about the videos. So really the only things I could see them saying is saying that, well, we can't confirm or deny anything, which itself would be an affirmation that they're real, or they would have to come out and admit they're real, which I don't think they can do. So this puts them in a bind, right?

And I want to force their hand because, you know, when you have somebody on the ropes, that's not the time you let up. That's the time you go in for the finishing blow, right? You don't let them give it, don't give them time to react. Don't get them time to drop a black box in the South Indian Ocean or whatever they might do, right? Because that's probably the next play is to try to come up with some other diversion to make people think that the plane really did crash down there when we've essentially proven it couldn't have. Yeah, I mean, gosh, the amount of searching that they've done.

I know you've looked into that as well, the amount of searching that was done, you know, before or I should say after the crash. And even in some cases, you know, to present day. I know you, it's, it looks like you've got another kind of big conversation coming up to. What is your connection with Dr. Stephen Greer? I see, are you guys going to be on any Twitter spaces together here pretty soon? Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out exact framework for how that's going to play out. But I had somebody reach out to me a couple of weeks ago. and say, hey, you know, would you be interested in being in a space with Dr. Stephen Greer?

It would be potentially really huge. And I said, yeah, I mean, you're kidding me, for sure, right? You know, I think, and just like I said with Alex Jones situation, it's like, I'm not afraid to talk to anybody. I think that, you know, Dr. Stephen Greer is potentially somebody who's had a lot of disinformation pushed about him. You know, even my own opinion of him, was probably somewhat tainted before I ever saw these videos.

And then I was talking to actually Kim Iverson and she mentioned having him on and saying that a lot of stuff he was saying was consistent with what I was saying about a lot of these UAPs that we see out there are, you know, 7 to 80 percent of them are ours, right? And that I thought was very interesting because I thought, oh, well, that's what I'm basically saying here is that, you know, the reason why these would be increasing is because we figured how to reverse engineer these. We've made our own. They're ours. And that that's why the sightings of these orbs and other various anomalous events have gone up over the silver. Some of them, maybe even China and Russia at this point. So I'm very interested to talk to him.

him. It's not going to be a situation where I'm just going to be agreeing with anything that he has to say. Everything is to say. It may also be a situation where, you know, it's more of an open forum or it could be a situation where he's kind of speaking about, you know, his beliefs predominantly. But I will have an opportunity to ask questions at a bare minimum. And it may be more of a back and forth as well. If so, my questions will be about the advanced technology, trying to glean as much information about what he knows about advanced technology. Because I do think he was, at least once upon time in the know for that type of stuff. So I think he will have a lot that will help us in terms of understanding the framework for the case. And what I want to know for him as well, the same thing I ask everybody is, you know, is true disclosure still worth it if what it means is technology that is essentially doomsday tech, right? And I want to know what his opinions are on that and how we move forward as a society with those implications.

It's going to be interesting. And if it does happen, by the way, you know, if and when, I'll try to jump on there myself and take a listen and maybe raise my hand and try to get a word in there. We'll see how it goes. But it'll be very interesting discussion for sure. And kind of get you out of here on this today, Ash. I know we've been speaking for a while, so I don't want to take up too much of your time. I've got a lot of other things to get to as well.

So again, I appreciate your time coming on here today to have this, you know, this discourse. Because I'm like you in that sense where I try to talk to everybody. If someone will take the time to come on and talk with me, I don't care who it is. if I agree or disagree. That's why I invited Mick West on the show. Invite still open, but obviously he's not accepting it. But when it comes to just, I guess, the overall landscape, right? You've spoken to a lot of people.

You've done a lot of social media. Do you feel you've gotten further with your message now? Here we are, you know, early December as we record this, then you were, say, the first time you and I spoke back, I believe in October, I believe was the first time we spoke. Do you feel like you've been able to, change minds in that timeframe and get more of your message across to where people are now saying, wow, I didn't look at like this before. This might actually be legit. Yeah, absolutely. 100%.

I never would have thought we'd be in the situation. I couldn't predict the future back then, but we've got powerful allies in MH370X now. You know, the people that have put those bounties out, Kim.com, wonderful guy, talking to him, very logical and reasonable person. You know, Chad and Sherry, the Investigator's podcast, I've done three parts with them as well, as well as this wealthy follower that I talked to that run for higher office that has connections on the hill as well. And I haven't spoken too much about a lot of this stuff because I try to keep it close to the chest. But I've been talking to people that I would never believe that I would be able to talk to in the past, right? People that are influencers, podcasters, et cetera, things like that. And, you know, I just, it's almost a surreal situation for myself.

And I like to just keep it grounded, though. You know, I'm just a normal person that is willing to talk to anyone from that respect. But, you know, just the video that I pushed out yesterday, which was the highest quality of the satellite video that I think we've seen out there where you can very clearly see the coordinates in the NRLL 22 in the bottom left corner. I was checking this morning. I had 1.8 million views.

You know, I'm like, these are the types of views that like major influencers are getting right on their tweets and on their posts. So we've definitely reached a point where we've changed minds. People have said, oh, this changes my mind or a lot of people said early on I thought it was fake. There's actually another person I may be talking to on Friday that said, you know, they want to have me on. They have a pretty huge following on YouTube. And they said, you know, early on, I thought I was fake.

But now, you know, it seems like it's real, et cetera. And that's what's big for me. I think changing people's minds that are open-minded, they're willing to look at the evidence. because as hard as this stuff is to believe, the preponderance of the evidence is so overwhelming that it really leads to the most logical conclusion of what happened to this plane. And I think that that's what shows the strength of the videos.

Is that, and I think I spoke on another pocket, so that we almost don't need the videos anymore just because of how strong the overall evidence is, but it goes to show the authenticity of the videos. We could never figure this all out unless the videos were real. They corroborate what really happened to the plane to a degree that is essentially, impossible. So yeah, I think that it's been amazing. It's been an amazing journey, amazing following.

I don't know what's going to happen. What I will say is it's not a sprint. It's a marathon. We're taking it one day at a time. I think that if we get to the point where it's Malaysian Airlines 10 year anniversary, that will be huge. There's going to be a lot of people pinging me on those days leading up to that as well. Which is around the corner. It's only a few months away, really, from today as we speak. Real quick, do you have a few more minutes? Because I just had a couple Yes, please keep going. We can keep going. No problem. I'm just wondering, as far as, you know, other names in this field, people who have a big influence, people who have helped to push disclosure forward just in the past few years, too that comes to my mind, Lou Elizondo and Christopher Mellon. Have you come across them at all or what they might think about what you're presenting?

Christopher Mellon, no, I have had no interaction whatsoever. I think I'd probably follow him on Twitter, but he doesn't reach out. I really know. None of the big names had really reached out to me. Dr. Greer happened through back end channels. I was actually looking at Lou Al Zondo's page because I wanted to see which of these UAP accounts that I had blocked that I could unblock. Turns out he had me blocked. I don't know when that happened, but that was pretty bizarre.

The Lel Zandie was blocked you on Twitter. That's something else. A badge of honor, I guess. I didn't realize that that was a thing that people like that did. It goes to show that he's definitely following the case, though, right? And that's a lot of these people, they know, how social media works so they don't want to put any of their ideas out there that aren't filtered through a very specific lens but he's out there for sure watching the case and that's very

interesting because he's a literal spook like an actual you know he said he's an intelligence operative like no question right so the question people should be asking him is how much does he really know about the implications of the technology right if he knows the true implications of true disclosure here then the question is is he on the side that thinks it needs to be kept secret and that he's only slow dripping information that it goes along with the official timetables and narratives of disclosure or is he really the type of person that's on the side of quote unquote catastrophic disclosure which is getting the truth out to the world without through filters and acclamation processes and timelines ripping the band-aid off so to speak right and i have nothing against lou elizando i hope that

he unblocks me and has an honest conversation about what's going on because i think that the difference between me and people like him is that i'm going on the podcast in my free my mind freely unfiltered full honesty full transparency and a lot of people like that are not transparent about their understandings and beliefs and they're when you ask some questions it's all well i can say this about this blah blah blah right with me you get everything that i know straight up front from any questions you ask so um i hope that when people listen that they realize that you know i am just an honest person and that's the difference between me and people who are literal intelligence operatives, right?

Yeah, well, it's very interesting. I was caught off guard by that. I didn't know that Luella Zonla had blocked you. Just real quick, I mean, just my natural curiosity, do you know, have any idea why he would block you or is it just all speculation? My only thought would be that, like, I did put out a post that ended up deleting that tied him and several other prominent people to some of the people that have been attacking me.

And then I kind of decided, like, things blew up right after that, where Kim.com, got involved, you know, involved. And then I just kind of realized that it doesn't really matter how many people attack me. It's, it got into a point where it's, you know, the UFO community people who were attacking me wasn't relevant anymore. And some of them, like I just didn't think they had ill intent anyway. So I just didn't feel like trying to fight on that level, you know, rolling the mud just didn't seem worth it anymore.

And I still don't. I'm not that kind of person in general anyway. So I thought, well, maybe that's the reason why, I guess. But honestly, only he'd be able to answer. I think people should ask him why he blocked me. Why? And I think people should continue to ask all these UFO personalities. Just to name a few more, Ross Colhart, Jeremy Corbell, you know, George Knapp.

Why are they ignoring this case, right? Do they really think that the videos are fake? If so, why? Because this can only further their cause. I'm dishing up disclosure on a silver platter here, right? So these are the questions. people should be asking these big names because we need to figure out what side of the line these people are on, right? Are they really on the side of true disclosure or are they the side of working with the government and being told that,

no, we've got to slowly drip this to the people because their minds will break or whatever. And lastly, what I'll say is that this is all about having the conversation about this technology, right? I think that that's what's been missing with respect to UFOology in general is talking about what the real implications are of this technology and how, we get it out there without potentially destroying ourselves. It's really interesting. Real quick, too. I was wondering this to Ashen and I kind of felt bad asking. So I was like, I don't know if I want to say it.

It sounds bad, but I'm just going to ask it anyway. Ask anything. Yep. Are you worried about your safety? Do you worry? Do you look over your shoulder? Do you feel like, I don't know about this one. You know, if this person or that agency sees this, you know, X, Y, and Z might happen.

Does it bother you at all? No, I'm not afraid at all. And I mean, I think you can tell by the names that I'm dropping in here that in the way I'm talking about them in general that for sure, I probably got people who are extremely upset of what's happening and how it's being pushed out there. Right. And they might have good reason to retaliate, you know. But, you know, if that were to happen, it would only add more credibility to the case and other people would rise up. But, you know, for sure. That's why I've pushed the information out there.

That's why I've been doing as many podcasts as I can do to make sure that that information's out there. I don't think that I'm going to die of old age. I'll say that just straight up front. It seems pretty unlikely. It might be a little bit morbid, but I don't have any regrets whatsoever, and I don't walk around afraid of anything happening. It doesn't mean I'm not cognizant of my surroundings, but, you know, I decided long ago in the first few weeks that there couldn't be

a more noble cause than trying to figure out the answer of MH370, trying to get this technology disclosed to the public in a way that will change the world. You know, I just, I care about other people more than I care about myself. And I would not be able to live with myself trying to keep this information secret, especially knowing all of the people that have nothing on this planet, the homeless people that I go by every day, the people that I see hungry, the children that I imagine go to bed hungry because they have nothing. When all of these types of problems could be changed,

the wars that are going on that are people are dying for no reason, no reason whatsoever. We should be unifying as an entire world, around this type of technology and figuring out ways where it doesn't matter like these little wars that happen, what we need to prevent is ourselves from destroying ourselves. Or as what Salvador Pius and Dave Rossi and I were talking about on the hard truth number four,

I believe it was, where it's like, what if there's an external threat that we're not even aware of, right, that has this type of technology that could wipe us out in an instant, right? If that exists, hypothetically speaking, then we should be rallying around that common cause,

almost like Independence Day, movie, right? It's like we need to be, this needs to be not the United States Independence Day, but the independent state of the entire world that goes on. So no, I'm not afraid. I am definitely skeptical when, you know, beautiful women slip into my DMs nowadays, though. I don't know if I can never trust anybody ever again. But, you know, that's a good problem to have.

It's a really good problem to have. It's fair. Yeah, just watch out. Well, hopefully nothing nefarious in the future. I will, and maybe find, you know, a woman who actually isn't trying to do with something that's you. I'll get you out of here on this, though, for real this time. Yeah.

What do you think, again, hypothetically speaking here? Sure. This all comes out. Everything you're saying is proven true. All the doubters, all the skeptics realize, oh my gosh, wow, we were wrong. And Ashton, everything he's been saying is true. And you have your day where you say, hey, you know, guys, I told you so. This is what I've been trying to tell you.

And it's like literal fact. It's proven true. it's on the news it's all over social media people doing tic talks about it this is what happened this technology is out there what's the end result if if and when that day ever comes what does that look like to you after catastrophic disclosure so to speak yeah and i thought about that would i be the person that says ha ha ha i told you so whatever but uh no probably just be another normal day for me in general i imagine i get a lot more requests to speak to people but um no i don't think i'm that kind of person, you know, and there are people that I definitely would have. It'd be hard to fight

the urge, not to say, I told you so, to some people, but in general, that's not what this movement's about, you know, this movement's about getting that information out there. So, it would be an emotional day, for sure. There would probably be a lot of crime happening on that day in general in terms of just what it means for us and what it's meant for the investigation, all the people that have been here going through that entire journey. There's a lot of people that I would like to be able to meet, including Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lynn, if you were able to come out and authenticate the video. videos. He's the real hero in all this. He's the one that made this all possible by leaking

these videos. So, you know, I'd like to have a situation where we all meet together one day and share our thoughts because I think that what comes after this is a, as a conversation, a discussion about what this means next for everybody, right? So I don't want to alienate people that didn't believe the videos were real because the reality is those people are part of this planet too. We need those people as well. And I can understand. why they didn't think they were real. As I've said before, early on, I had so much ontological shock that I had to ask

my own parents if I was in some kind of Truman show situation where everything was fake and this was some big elaborate hoax. I couldn't figure out how it could be a hoax, but I couldn't understand how I was somehow in the center of all of this that was happening. So yeah, no, I can understand how people are skeptical of it.

And what I would say in the end is I have no enemies. So please don't make an enemy out of me. I don't want to be anyone's enemy. All I want to do is be an ally of humanity. and what this means for our future. Well, man, there's a lot to still to talk about. This is such a huge subject with so many implications to our present day and to our future. And I know a lot of people still don't believe what you have to say, and that's fine.

You know, we always, that's why I wanted to bring you on, but you, you know, we can have this discussion. If people still don't believe it, that's fine. That's up to them. If people have, you know, if you've changed somebody's mind, then that works too. So I hope we can do this again soon, Ashton. It's just a super fascinating discussion for me to have with you because, I mean, gosh, you've dived into this so much. So it's a thrill for me to talk about it because, again, of all the things that can come from it in general and what's, what's out there, what's really going on.

So that's, I guess, kind of just the crux of the UAP podcast to begin with, right? What's out there? What's going on? Let's try to figure it out. So we can talk again soon and keep up to deal with you. other. I'd love to have you back on again soon. Yeah, we definitely will. What I'd say is that the rising tide lifts all ships. So, you know, I appreciate to you for having me on and bring the evidence out there. Of course, I'll come and talk again anytime you want. So just reach out to me,

Stephen. Thank you very much on your listeners for listening to the evidence once again. Yeah, fantastic. So we'll keep up to date. I'm sure, you know, keep up there on, on Twitter at just X-Ahton. And of course, for myself, at UA Podcast 850. Always a lot going on in social media. on Twitter X specifically. So we'll talk again soon, Ashton. Thanks again for your time today to discuss all of this with MH370. Thanks. Honestly, we probably could have spoken for about two or three hours.

It's just such a fascinating discussion. It's a fascinating topic to me. There's so many variables and everything that goes along with it about, you know, if this means this part is true, then that means this part is true. And what about that part? And what happened to the people on the plane? You know, I mean, I know that's... a question a lot of people ask and something that, you know, Ashton and I didn't get to this time

around. You know, where did they go? You know, we've spoken about Diego Garcia before. If they're teleported, where they teleported to the secret base out there that the U.S. military has in, you know, Diego Garcia. You know, what is the why? That's a question that I know Ashton has thought about before and I've thought about before. And we, I think we spoke about the first time when we spoke about two or three months ago. Like when we sit when I say what is the why why would the US deploy some type of secret advanced super technology to save a plane. It's not going to be out the kindness of their own hearts. I can tell you that. So why would they do it? Who was on that plane would be the question that I would put out there or I don't know. I mean it's just like I said,

it's a fascinating discussion and it just all the questions that arise from it. So I appreciate Ashton's time in going over all that. There is so much more to discuss. And like we said in the interview, I'm going to keep up with Ashton and see what happens next. See what comes up next in this whole subject and this whole discussion. A lot more to come on UAP and UAP weekly. You know, when it comes to catastrophic disclosure, that is something that I want to explore

more. What would that look like? Going to try and cover that subject a little bit more, of course, as well as what else is going on, you know, what's going to pass, what's not going to pass when it comes to all these amendments and acts trying to be passed through Congress for UAP disclosure. It's been a wild ride at a bumpy ride. That is for sure when it comes to the politics behind UAP. Oh man.

UAP disclosure mired in politics. Never want to see that. But nevertheless, that's where we are today when it comes to all this and so much more to come, especially too. Don't forget, Bizarer Encounters Part 3. That will come in episode 77 of the traditional classic UAP. So a lot to come, a lot to keep up with.

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