UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 1/29/24 Inside the Jellyfish UAP Mystery with Michael Cincoski

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Coming off his recent interviews with NewsNation and Jeremy Corbell, Marine veteran and original viewer of the "Jellyfish" UFO video, Michael Cincoski, sits down with Stephen Diener to discuss his experience and opinions on the now famous footage. And, would Michael be willing to testify in front of Congress? All that and so much more during this in depth conversation. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And that is the video that came out from Jeremy Corbell, that he premiered on the TMZ special, the video of the jellyfish UFO. So kind of ending the month where we started it, and that is with this video that became very, very famous, and the man who actually was there on the ground around the time, a little bit after this video was taken, it was Michael Sinkowski, a veteran Marine who was shown this video back in 2018,

and when it became public, he said, wait a minute, I've seen that video before. And he's become very outspoken in this issue and in this video and talking about, you know, in his honest opinion, what happens and what this could be. And we're all, because we're all trying to figure it out together, right? It's a video unlike any other UAP or UFO sighting that we had seen before, which caused all of the intrigue behind it. What could this thing be that we dubbed the jellyfish UFO, which, by the way, Michael has a different name for it, which you'll hear in this interview. But I was really happy to have him on the show. A really cool perspective, really unique perspective to talk to him. Again, someone who has spoken to News Nation,

someone who's spoken to Jeremy Corbell about this video directly because he was there on the ground shortly after this video was taken and has known about it for six years. We just found out about it, you know, within the past few weeks as it went public. So really cool to have him on. And I think you're going to enjoy this interview as we do a deep dive into all the possibilities about what this thing could have been in his opinion and all the fallout from it henceforth. So here it is myself and Michael Sinkowski talking about everything having to do with the jellyfish UFO video taken over Iraq. Here you go. Enjoy. Kind enough to join us here on UAP weekly. Really happy to have you. Thank you, Michael, for taking time to come in here today and talk about all this.

Of course. Yeah. Thanks for having to be. No, no, of course. So obviously, a lot to get to. It's a huge subject, a really big story. And you've been, you know, talking to a lot of the big outlets with News Nation, of course, personally with Jeremy Corbell and some of the other skeptics. So we'll get to all of that as we go through here. But I always feel like starting at the beginning is the best place to start. So why don't we go with first, how it's giving people your background, you know, as far as your military history and how you came into the position you found yourself in, you know, back in 2018, you came across this video. Sure, yeah. So I joined the Marines in 2014, and it wasn't until about 2017 is when I got word that I was deployed to Iraq. And my background, so my MOS, my main job in the Marines was I was a intelligence specialist. And specifically when I was deploying to Iraq, I was training to be an ITC, which is an ISR tactical controller. ISR being intelligence surveillance reconnaissance. And so essentially what my job was is, I was working with unmanned drone assets, and we would just collect information and intelligence for our collection plans and whatever else my Intel shop needed.

Secondary to that, I was trained as a counter-UAS Marine. We had a threat of our adversaries flying our little quadcopter drones over the base, and sometimes they would drop grenades. It never happened at our base specifically, but it was known to happen. So we had to train for it. And it's a serious that that we had to take seriously. So that's kind of what I did in Iraq. And so when I deployed out there initially, I was one of the first few to get there from my team. And we had gotten there in January of 2018.

And I was there for about eight months. And I think I left early September. And so, yeah, when I first got to the first got to the first. base in January, the Marine that I was turning over with, who I was replacing, had shown me these videos of what they called the spaghetti monster. And I remember across the three videos, it was probably about 17 minutes of footage total. And it looked a lot like what we're seeing floating around the internet these days. And it was just, you know, we had our theories, nobody could fully explain it.

And it was just this, you know, weird thing. I mean, we thought it was kind of cool, you know, kind of like the ghost story that you tell your buddies or like, you know, watch this video. It's kind of kind of cool. But, but that was about it. We'd watch it from time to time just, you know, just for fun. And I never thought I would see that video ever again after after leaving the Marine Corps and even leaving that deployment. And then when I seen it floating around a few weeks ago, I was like, that's it. I told a few people about what I had saw when I'd gotten back, but I never had the video footage to back it up.

So everyone probably thought, and I was either lying or, you know, I don't know, people think whatever they want to think. But now, you know, a few buddies sent me that video and they're like, is this what you saw? I'm like, yeah, that's it. You're like, I told you I wasn't crazy. Come on. Now, you see this going around. And obviously, like you said, you kind of in the moment feel vindicated like, oh, finally,

you know, I can show this to somebody. But also, what is, aside from that, what is your reaction when you see it? Does it kind of pop back into your head and. You think to yourself, you know what, this was kind of strange. So, you know, I kind of wonder what this was. Yeah, I never could figure out, you know, what it was. I had a few theories myself, but they were always kind of debunked by, you know, one thing or another. I think the main theory I subscribed to was the, for the longest time, was that it was something on like the housing, like a stain on the housing that, you know, that's in front of the sensor.

but seeing it sped up and there's a gift floating around X, I think, where it's sped up and you can kind of see it rotating and changing shape a little bit. So that kind of disproves that. And then there's the whole balloon theory, but I feel like they're way too static to be balloon. So I don't know. I remember being out, I used to work the night shift when I was in Iraq. And after seeing that video, you know, it would cross my mind. You know, what if I just look up and see this eight foot tall, you know, spaghetti monster floating there, like how scary would that be? but yeah it was just weird yeah and that's funny because you know as you're shown this video right

and then you go on and you're you know doing your thing pretty much or you're doing your job and then once it comes back out how are you i guess contacted how did you end up getting in touch with with jeremy corbell is it just because once it went on to TMZ like it's it just blew up and then you realized oh i should say something about this because i i saw this when it happened pretty much Yeah, so I first jumped in the comments. I think it was News Nation that was kind of reporting it. A buddy of mine sent me a video that was on some Instagram thing. I think it was behind the grid square or beyond the grid square or something like that.

It's an Instagram account that kind of tells like, you know, spooky stories of encounters that military personal have. So that's where I first saw it. And then somebody else sent me another video from News Nation. I jumped in the comments because they're making claims of, you know, it was recorded by like an advanced weapons drone or something like that. And then that was, you know, zipping out of the water and, you know, making impossible movements. But that's not what I remembered seeing in the recordings that I had. So when I jumped in the comments, I was like, oh, hey, like I was there. That's not necessarily what I saw.

So, you know, some of it might be fabricated. But then people were seeing me in the comments like, oh, this dude was there. And all of a sudden, that's kind of where all the attention started coming in. The first person to interview me was a man called Stephen Green Street from, I believe, the New York Post. And he's the first one to, I guess, talk about my story. And I don't use Twitter. It was Twitter when I was using it back in probably, I don't know, 2010. And that's the last I used the app.

So now it's X. So I'm trying to get used to this app again. But he posted all of his stuff on there. So I was reading through some of it. There was a, we covered a lot of things in that interview. And there was a few things that I felt he didn't quite get 100% right. So I started just replying to people in the comments of that tweet that he first put out. And just trying to clear things up.

And then, you know, everything kind of took off from there. And then I think that attracted the attention of News Nation. And that's when I did that interview with, a guy called Brian Eaton, I think. Yeah. And he knows Jeremy Corbell personally. And I had a buddy telling me to reach out to Jeremy. So I did, but I was like, he's never going to look at my, he's a busy guy.

He's never going to see my DM. But because I did that interview with News Nation, then he knew who he was. And he reached out to me and wanted to do a weaponized special about all of this. And that's kind of how all that happened. So I'm wondering for you, right? I mean, this isn't something that you were trying to get involved with. and you've known about this video for like six years now. So it wasn't, you know, screaming at the mountaintop.

Say, someone pay attention to me. You just went about your business. But now all of a sudden you find yourself thrust into the middle of this conversation. And the UAP discussion can get pretty heated sometimes. I know firsthand I've been in the middle of some crazy discussions and been thrust into the fire myself. So you're kind of in the middle of all right now. How are you taking it? Are you taking it in?

Are you thinking to yourself, I can't wait for people to just stop bothering me? or are you somewhere in the middle? Pretty much in the middle. I definitely didn't think I'd get this much attention. And it hasn't been overwhelming, but it's been, I guess, a lot to keep up with.

But I mean, I have a life outside of, you know, all of this. Like I just got my certificate. I'm a personal trainer now. I'm going to school full time. So like I'm more focused on that.

And then just on the side, you know, I check my X now, my feed and see, you know, what's going on. And then if I see something that's worth, me saying something. Then I'll pop on and, you know, shoot out a tweet or or whatnot. But I'm trying

to find balance with it all. I wonder, where did you fall in this discussion? I mean, was it ever something that you were interested in before? You know, just anything casual. You know, maybe you watched X-Files or maybe you watch, you know, any type of sci-fi movie, War of the World or something where that just made you think, gee, I wonder what's going on out there. Are there life on other planets? I've always had an open mind to it. I've always been interested in the topic. I, when I first came with all this, I wanted to take an unbiased approach to it because I wanted to deliver my experience as factually as possible. So I can refrain from taking a position. But in the past, I've, you know, I've been interested in the topic. I've done some research. What I do for work, too,

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Data and SMS messaging rates may apply. No, and that's interesting because I guess, you know, leads into my next question, and I think I know the answer, but I won't assume, are you open to this? like if someone says to you, hey, you know, give me your opinion right now. Is this balloons, a smudge, aliens, whatever it might be? And you say, okay, definitively it's this. I know you can't do that. And you're not, you know, that's not really a position that you're in.

And nobody should really do that because none of us are really sure what it is. But are you open to the idea of this being an otherworldly craft or otherworldly creatures, something not of this earth? Yeah, absolutely. I'm always open to anything. And like you said, too, and I've been saying it, I don't have. I don't have the information to make that definitive claim. I think it would be cool if it turns out to be something like that.

Because, you know, that, who do you know, can say that they actually seen something like this, you know, firsthand or just through a video like that, you know, and having, I guess, a bigger piece of that puzzle. But that's just a cool concept. No, and it's such a unique shape, too. When you talk about, you know, the traditional sighting, so to speak, right? It's always the saucer shape or the cigar or the famous Tick-Tac video from the Nimitz in 2004. And this one kind of goes with some other shapes that I've been told about. Actually, just last week I spoke to a man who goes by the pseudonym of Anthony Williams because he can't use his real name.

He's still active. He's a special operations analyst. And he's giving me some indications. We spoke last week about different shapes because we spoke about your story. when we spoke about this jellyfish or spaghetti monster, as you and the guys called it. And he said there's other weird stuff out there. There's a skeleton key shape that he's analyzed before in different videos.

There's a W shape that he's analyzed in other videos, a box in like this transparent circle. Like there's some really weird reports that he's analyzed personally as a special operations analyst within the Special Operations Command in the military. Have you heard of any of that stuff? Or was just like a one, one-off for you with this, you know, jellyfish, so to speak. It was kind of a one-off.

I didn't really pay too close attention to anything that anybody else was seeing. I do have, so after this happened, after I'd gotten out in 2019, it was maybe a few years later, somebody I know captured something on video over my hometown. And it was kind of a more traditional kind of sighting, I guess you could say. And that's really my only experience with any of it. And then I've seen just clips here and there online of people seeing other things. But it's hard to tell what's real and what's not, and especially with AI nowadays, I feel. That's very true.

Where's your hometown, by the way? I live in Pine River, Minnesota. Okay. So different sightings in that area. I know just, well, there's sightings everywhere, really. When you start to dig into it, you kind of fall down the rabbit hole. But I wonder when it comes to, you said you kind of like your first inclination was maybe this was, a smudge or a stain on the camera.

And obviously, you know, theories have evolved over time on what this jellyfish UFO may have been or may be. When you talk about the smudge, because that is a theory that's been put out there by different, you know, skeptics, so to speak. Is that something that wouldn't typically happen on that type of equipment? Would you guys come across smudges or stains or bird droppings as has been proposed? Is that something you guys had to deal with a lot? the so it's a big aerostat so it's a camera that's mounted on the bottom of a big blimp I don't know how

a smudge would even get there in the first place if it was a smudge in the lens I don't even think the sensor would pick it up in my mind when I came up with that theory I thought maybe there was like a transparent housing to protect the camera because we had dust storms and stuff so I thought you know maybe there might be an exterior housing that might have a smudge on it but that also didn't fully make And I had talked to one of the operators that operates that system after hearing about it. And he told me that, you know, that's not a thing that I didn't even think they have a housing. If I remember him correctly saying that. I did hear that system came down like right after that happened and it was serviced and cleaned.

I don't know if they found anything, any defects on that on that platform at all. but it's not really known for things like that to happen. But I'm no expert. I've heard of other people who work with that system a lot more than I did say that, you know, they have lens artifacts like that all the time. So if, you know, they're more,

they're better or more credible source on that information. Cool, they can take that. But just from my perspective, like I don't see that being a thing. It's interesting because, you know, one of that's obviously one of the things that was brought up along with balloons.

And as far as the big one, what do you make of that theory? Just kind of go down the list here. What did you make of the balloon theory? Is it something you considered yourself even? Because there is actually a video going around of a drone operator. I don't know if you've seen it or someone who showed it to you. It's kind of gone viral. It's this drone operator.

It's on TikTok. And he's watching the video and he's talking about how, yeah, we, you know, we see the things like this all the time. This is definitely balloons. And he sounds like, you know, he's pretty sure about that being the case. What do you make of that type of theory? I mean, it could be. I've never seen balloons on any sort of sensor like that before.

So I guess, you know, I wouldn't know what that looks like. To me, I would think it wouldn't be that static of an image because it's seemingly unchanging. I think, you know, if you speed it up and slow it down, you can kind of see like a little bit of rotation, a little bit of movement, I guess. So, I mean, it could be. I think it's very plausible. I didn't think of the balloon theory until it was brought up to.

me just, you know, last week. I mean, I guess it's the leading theory of it being, you know, a logical explanation, I think. Is that something that would typically be seen, you know, from like a party or anything like that in that area of Iraq? Not that I know of. I mean, I'm sure they have balloons. I'm sure they have their party balloons.

And especially that time of year, I think there's a huge celebration where something like that might be entirely possible. As far as I know, there were no other. there's sensors that picked up anything like that. And I would think the sensors that we had had would, you know, would be able to see it or track it or somebody would be able to see something on night vision because I was told that a bunch of the Marines were tasked to go out and find it in night vision. But nobody saw anything.

The only way that they were ever able to perceive it was just on that one sensor. And actually, and that's, you know, to that point you talked about the night vision because it wasn't seen in night vision. and that was something that Jeremy Corbell brought up, I believe. And when they show the video and you see the thermal imaging, right? Because apparently it was only seen on thermal, right? That's correct. It was never seen with the naked eye or through night vision.

Right. So when you're watching that through thermal, different people are talking about how this, the heat signature changes. And it's going from dark to light. Now, when I was speaking to the man I mentioned earlier, Anthony Williams, Like I said, you know, he's dealt with videos like this before, and we're talking about those different things he's analyzed. And it made a good point that I hadn't considered.

I wanted to get your take on it where he said it may not be that the actual object itself was changing its thermal signature, but it's what's happening in the background that would change the visibility of the object itself. So basically it's kind of like the sensor saying, okay, we're going to change the colors for you. So it doesn't get lost. You can still watch it. Does that make more sense than the actual jellyfish object itself?

self-changing its thermal, you know, signature. Yeah, I think if there is, because you can perceive reflections through thermal. So if it's like a shinier kind of object like a balloon, it could be reflecting or refracting some of that thermal information from the background. And being that, you know, if it was something like that and just the way that the angles are, you know, the thermal information is bouncing off of it. It wouldn't be entirely consistent with the background because it'll be reflecting from different angles and things like that.

So I don't know, it's very possible. And on top of that, too, I think, and again, I don't know exactly how it works, but I think the sensor also either automatically adjusts or the operator can manually adjust kind of like the sensitivity of the input, for the thermal kind of like adjusting like the contrast of a camera right okay yeah so that that's also possible but I'm not an expert on it so again I don't know it's yeah it's and that's a tough thing right it's trying to figure out we try to piece this together and look at all the possibilities of what could make this thing what like what would this be and why would we be seeing it in that area

and that was another thing that I find fascinating too is if this wasn't indeed, you know, a UAP, is deemed a UAP, right, because we don't know what it was. And it's under that classification from the DoD and from the military. Am I right about that? That's what I've heard, yeah. Okay. So that's the case. I feel like, and correct me from wrong here, but I feel like if it was easily

explainable as a smudge on the camera, bird droppings, balloons, that it, they would just say that, right? Like, why draw this out? I mean, from a, you know, a man in your position, as a veteran, why would they draw this out? Why wouldn't they just say, oh, we've looked at this back in 2019 a year after we first saw this, and it's balloons, nothing to see here, guys. But they, that hasn't happened. Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

I think the Pentagon, their official statement is kind of the whole, you know, cannot confirm or deny type of thing. And so they just kind of label it as that just to keep it kind of ambiguous, which I don't know. there might be a method to the madness or maybe they just don't want to deal with it. It's hard to say. But that is. I mean, that's the part that I keep coming back to because I am too. I'm open to all possibilities.

You know, I'm not one guy. It's, it's not my style to come on and say, this is what you have to believe. Like, this is it. You know,

aliens who are invading. It's happening. That's not my thing. My thing is I want to look at all the facts. I want to look at all the details and just and talk about it and try to figure it out. So I'm absolutely open like you to the idea of maybe this was balloons, for a holiday celebration or a birthday or whatever it might be. But I just, I can't help it, Michael,

keep coming back to this question of why don't they just say that? They've had this video for six years. And I don't know. I mean, have you ever come across a different situation, even outside of this, where it may have been an easy answer and the Department of Defense just doesn't talk about it? I mean, is that protocol, so to speak? I don't know.

I can't say I've had any experience with them trying to, you know, saying it's one thing, just to avoid further explanation or trying to control the narrative. Yeah, it's, I don't know, why they would just not, you know, call this blooms and that's it. That's, that's beyond me. Maybe they have more information. They just, they don't want to disclose and they don't want to be caught in the lie because I don't know, maybe there's repercussions that come from something like that.

especially with everything going on now in Congress, which I've kind of heard a few things, but I haven't been following too closely. So yeah, I don't know. Well, maybe we'll find out more as time goes on. I'm curious to find out your point of view what happened with the 17 minutes. And I guess the differing,

what Stephen Green Street said through your initial interview, and you guys kind of had that back and forth on social media. You did the video with him and Mick West and others. What was your takeaway from that? Do you feel like that you were being misrepresented in a way that was malicious or just all the facts were not there and there was just stuff that, you know, the wires were being crossed? I don't think it was malicious. I just feel like that just with all the information that was floating around, I think it was hard to kind of get

everything right in the beginning there. It was nice to be able to talk more face to face. on that, on that other podcast. And I sat down, you know, Mick West was there. A few other guys, Stephen Greets Street.

They had mentioned something about ambushing me with him, but face to face and, you know, talking to, talking to them, it's fine. I just think, you know,

when it comes to, when you talk to somebody face to face, it's a whole lot different than when you're hiding me on a keyboard. Right. So I feel like it was a little bit of that, but, I mean,

I know everybody kind of has their agenda that, you know, on both sides of this argument. And I'm not, I've said it before, I'm not trying to confirm any biases or trying to promote anybody's angina. I'm just trying to, you know, bring this forward in an, you know, most unbiased way possible, which is tough. It is tough.

I know that I really commend you for trying to do that and just, you know, really coming out and raising your hand on it, right? I mean, you didn't have to do that. You didn't have to come out and say, hey, I was showing this video, you know, after it came out. What kind of push you? That kind of question pops into my head. What pushed you to come out and say, maybe I should say something?

Like, was it hard for you? How long did you think about it before you came out and said, yeah, I actually know about this and I can give some details on it? I was just super excited to see the video again. I never thought I would see it. And then I'd seen it floating around. And I was like, oh, like, I can show my friends now because I was telling them that story.

But then that's when I heard a few of the claims that were, that I wanted to kind of set straight because it's like, well, I don't remember seeing that. So I was like, well, I just kind of want to say, you know, something. And I just kind of clear the record, I guess, a little bit. And then, yeah, it was kind of by accident where all the attention just kind of like fell upon me and then all these interviews. I was just kind of like just some dude in a comment section on a YouTube video like, oh hey, I don't know, I don't remember that happening, you know, I was there.

It just kind of evolved, I guess. It's snowballed. Yeah, absolutely snowball effect. And one of those things actually I want to ask you about was, you know, as far as what's being said about the video and what you know about it personally, what happened with this thing going into the water? So that's something that has been mentioned as far as this being a transmedium object where it's going from, you know, air to see.

I know you've had some differing viewpoints on that. Are we looking at a thing that actually did go into the water, stiff as, and not to put words in anybody's mouth, but just quoting what Jeremy Corbell said about this in the first place where you said it was stiff going into the water. Are you on the same page as that? Or did this thing not go into the water as far as you know? As far as I know, from what I've seen,

I didn't see it in any of the recordings that I had. So if I remember correctly, and again, you know, this is, I'm trying to remember back six years ago, you know, the full extent of the videos that I had. The two that are out right now because there's that, I think one of the huds is green and one of them is yellow. And it, you know, shows like the bigger object moving from right to left. And then I think there's a second video out now where it's kind of going from left to right and it's a lot smaller, like more off in the distance. there was a third recording of her remember correctly that kind of shows it go out over the water and you can see where it is over the water and it kind of goes out further and further and further and I think the video just cuts off because I don't remember I never remember seeing the it go into the water at all or like shooting up into the sky I don't know if it disappeared after a while but just because you know somebody cut the video feed when it got small enough and or cut the recording doesn't mean nothing you know didn't happen after that and the way that they were able to capture these recordings too there it's possible that they had you know other

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He's a very reputable guy in this area, someone with a big voice and that's trying to kind of, you know, push the conversation forward towards disclosures. It's a lot of work with David Grush and people like that. So it's a guy who doesn't mess around, I guess is what I'm trying to say. He's not not looking for clout, right? and he's beyond that. So for him to say that that footage exists

makes me think, and I want to get your opinion on it, is there a different video, a different angle where it didn't get cut off, whatever it might be, that you hadn't seen before that maybe exists

in some other database that he was shown? I think that's very possible, yeah. I think whoever recorded the videos that I had access to, I think that the object just got kind of got small enough, nothing was really happening.

So they probably just stopped recording on just that, you know, workstation that they were recording on. But there were other, you know, at least 20 to 50 different workstations kind of in that space that had access to that feed. And each one of those could have been recording at the time just didn't, you know, and they could have stopped the recording like later on or before that. So I think it's entirely possible that there is more out there, whether that's saved somewhere on that base where I, you know, I didn't, um, I never.

ever saw it or if it was confiscated. I heard that that might have been a thing too. Yeah, it's very possible, but I'm not sure. What do you make of the different reports too? And this was something that, again, I found really interesting. Not to keep bringing up and over and over again, but it was really fascinating interview last week when I spoke to Anthony Williams, who works as an analyst, special operations analyst.

I asked him, I said, are there videos that we can't see? And his answer was absolutely. He's like, I can't go into classified videos as I'm sure, you know, you're in the same position. And he mentioned that there are other videos of UAP, specifically over nuclear facilities and, you know, active war zones or battlegrounds. And according to him, it's happened quite often in the past. Have you heard about any other scenarios like that, you know, during your, during your tour of duty, so to speak. I've only heard of things like that outside of the military.

I didn't hear of anything in that realm while I was in through any classified channels by any means. And that's then that's saying that I, you know, I didn't. That's not me saying that it was classified. I can't tell you. But, you know, not to say that there wasn't anything like that going on. It's just, yeah, I spoke to a man named Bob Salas. Are you familiar with this story?

I know not he worked at the Malmstrom Air Force Base back in the 60s and there was a famous story out of there where basically these UFOs came over and shut down the facility

they couldn't operate any of the nuclear weapons and it was very scary because it's during the Cold War and they were trying to figure out are we at war with Russia right now are we being attacked and so it's stories like this

And that's why I find it so fascinating because this goes back. I mean, you're going back to the 60s, of course, back to Roswell in the 40s. And if this is something where we're talking about, you know, a UAP, a craft from, you know, another worldly craft or whatever it may be, again, flying over, you know, a hot zone like Iraq, it just, it's kind of added to the list. You know what I mean? So it just adds to the questions of what are we looking at here and why are they so interested? If this does fall on that category, why this is.

so interested in our capabilities, whether there's nuclear facilities or battles, you know, battlegrounds or war zones. And it's just, it's, it's hard to make sense of it all, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. I think I didn't, I do remember reading something like that about the, uh, the nuclear weapons being shut down by, um, some sort of crafts and stuff like that. And I will say this, too. I, I don't know why something would fly over. our base specifically. When I was there, we're mostly

just training the Iraqi security forces to kind of stand on their own leg when it comes to clearing out ISIS cells in the area and in our province. So why something like that would be collecting or flying over

is beyond me. I mean, I guess there could have been something deeper going on that I wasn't aware of, but I just thought, you know, out of all places, like, why that base, you know? Well, no, and it's a great question, right? You know, do you feel like it's something that could be adversarial tech? I mean, just from your experience, you know, watching different videos and analyzing things, do you feel like it's something that, if it is a, you know, a static craft, so to speak, it's not balloons, it's something that was actually flying in the air, it's rigid,

it had scales and things like that, right? Is that, could that be? Russia? Could that be China? Iran, North Korea? I mean, is it something that they have the capability to send this over as a drone over, you know, and try to gather information from a U.S. base? I mean, yeah, I wouldn't think so. I don't know of anything that would have the capability to do something like that without us being able to get some sort of other eyes on it other than just our thermal cameras. So I would think I would think the

balloon or the alien explanation would be more likely in this case personally. Not to say that it's impossible. I guess it could be, but I don't know. I guess that's my perception of it. No, and that's fair.

I think that's great. I'll get you out of here on this, Michael. And thank you again for making time to do this. They really appreciate it. It's fascinating to talk to you to get your first hand experience with all this and, you know, all the details that go into it. And again, kind of being thrust in the middle of it.

So thanks for being a good sport for everybody. Because it's not an easy conversation. You know, there's a lot of questions to it. But I'm wondering just kind of getting your take on the current atmosphere when it comes to the UAP discussion. Are you in the, you know, the mindset of let's get towards disclosure. Let's just give people, I think David Grush has referred to it as basic disclosure. You know, they're here. It's happened.

we have recovered craft and biologics or are you more along the lines of let's be careful what we say or maybe is it a mix of both? What would you like to see come out of all this in the end? I think the U.S. government needs to be more open with its people, definitely.

So I think, you know, disclosure would be a very good thing. As it sits right now, anybody that has anything to do with, you know, having a, you know, holding a clearance and you do have to watch what you have to say because you never know who was going to come after you. And if that was not necessarily the case, I feel like the conversation would be a lot more productive. And I think that would be a good thing.

And I think a lot of people are, you know, they just want, you know, a confirmation to, you know, their beliefs when it comes to this sort of thing. I personally think, you know, like I mentioned before, I kind of have a, an unconventional take on UFOs in extra-threstrial life. So I think it's kind of, well, it's a good conversation to have because the government should be telling its people about things, but I also think that there are other explanations because we're dealing with things that are potentially not of this world, right? So it's hard to, you know, frame these conversations, you know, in our own terms.

And I think we should have a more open mind, I guess, if that makes any sense. No, it does. And, well, last, last, last question. question because I always have something popping to my head. Congress, you know, you have representatives, Luna and Burchett and Moskowitz, you know, among some others who talk about trying to put together another open hearing with Congress, kind of like what they did the first time around with David Grouch and Ryan Graves.

Would you, if completely hypothetical, if they came to you and said, Michael, we want you to talk about your experience and give us your take on this phenomenon and go under oath and open hearing. If that happened, if they asked you, would you be willing to do that? Or were you trying to stay out of the fray? Absolutely. I'd love to do it.

Anything I can do to further the conversation in a productive way, I'm all about it. Thank you so much for doing this. And hopefully we can stay in touch because obviously this conversation is far from over. So as things continue to develop, we can stay in touch, maybe bring you back, you know, more crazy things going on. Yeah, sure, absolutely. Great. Michael Sinkowski, thanks so much for coming on here today, UAP, Week. weekly. We'll talk to you again soon. Sounds it. So again, really cool to have Michael.

And we'll keep in touch. Like I said there, we'll keep in touch in the future as I'm sure more things will come up. We've only just begun this year when it comes to all the happenings of UAP and UFO sightings and videos and reports and quite possibly open hearings and testimonials, more whistleblowers. It's, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I really do believe this is going to be an incredible year for UAP discovery and discussion. Shout out too to Jeremy Corbell. You know, that's somebody that I've really actually admired, you know, in this, I hate to say industry, but I guess, you know, within, you know, podcasting, talking about

this subject, he's done an incredible job to push the narrative forward. And I really appreciate that. Like I know you do as well, I've had some of you reach out to me in social media saying that's, you know, the only two podcasts you listen to are Jeremy Corbella myself, and that is a huge, huge honor. So thank you for that. You know, just to be mentioned in the same sentence as someone like Jeremy is awesome for me personally. So hopefully I can continue to rise to that level for you because that's something I never expected. So thank you for that, for those kind of words for all of you who have reached out and said that to me. And who knows, maybe we'll even

get to talk to Jeremy here on the show. That would be fun. What it did? Myself and Jeremy Corbell just talking some aliens. So maybe that will come down the road. You never know. We'll definitely see how that goes. And we'd love to talk to him. And of course, you know, guys like Christopher Mellon and Ross Colthard, it would be, I want to have those discussions for you here on the show because I think those would be really great discussions to have and to listen to and to ponder and kind of, you know, think about as they're taking place. Because there's just so much to discuss when it comes to this topic.

So we're going to keep on trying to move this forward. and myself personally going to try to keep on moving this forward as more news and more stories come out. And by the way, the traditional UAP, don't forget, I haven't forgotten about the original UAP. I'm still working on the new episode for that to start off 2024 as well. So just trying to juggle it all and put it all together as we go through what is really an incredible time in history. And of course, before I go, just remember you can continue to download the show wherever you get your podcast download subscribe Spotify Apple Amazon I know those are kind of like the big three where a lot of people are finding the show and pass the

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