UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 5-14-24 - Discussing MH370 Warp Drive Evidence W/Ashton Forbes

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

Has the case of the missing Malaysian Airlines flight 370 been solved? Stephen Diener is joined by viral MH370 investigator, Ashton Forbes, to discuss his new evidence that he says shows how and why the US government was able to warp the infamous plane through a wormhole using advanced tech. Get ready for this one, it's all explained here...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Data and SMS messaging rates may apply. Yes, welcome back into another edition of UAP Weekly. I am Stephen Deiner. Back with you here, as always, on the Unidentified Ealinga podcast. And thank you so much for joining you once again for this really good conversation, really special conversation. I'm excited to bring this to you with myself and Ashton Forbes. Actually, I believe this is the fourth time he's on the show.

So a friend of the show, I suppose I should say. And you might remember the last time Ashton and I spoke. I didn't want to gloss over the fact that the last time we spoke, we said we were closing the book on MH370 and Ashton was going to be moving on. And some of you might remember that. So I don't want to act like it never happened because it did. But the fact of the matter is things change, conversations change. And there was just no walking away from this. I think Ashton came to the realization that it's just too important and there's too much to uncover and the repercussions of this investigation.

and the evidence that he's put forward is not really something that, you know, we can close the book on. It's an ongoing process. So, happy to have Ashton back on here to discuss the latest revolving around his investigations into the disappearance of MH370, the Malaysian Airlines flight that disappeared over 10 years ago now back in March of 2014. And in case you're new to this, and now obviously you know about the case. everybody knows about the case. It's a missing airplane that has never been found. So everyone knows about this.

But in case you're just joining the show, so to speak, and you haven't heard too much about Ashton or what he's put forth over close to the past year, close, not quite but close, then I just want to catch you up to speed real quick before we get into the conversation. Because there's not a lot of, you know, in case you missed the type of thing in the interview. We talk about it as if you know exactly what's been going on over. the past nine to 12 months. So in case you don't, here's what's happening.

And if you do, just bear with me for a second for those who don't. But Ashton put out a video on Twitter about nine, ten months ago or so. It's close to a year. A video that was on YouTube 10 years ago, okay, just around the time that MH370 disappeared. And this video shows three orbs coming up to an airplane from drone video. And this drone video is showing this. So if you're wondering, well, how did someone get a video of this?

It's from a drone. And this video shows three orbs circling around, a passenger airplane, a jetliner, and as it circles faster and faster, the plane disappears. You see like a wormhole open up and the plane disappears inside this wormhole, gone. Teleported, warped, whatever language you want to use, it disappears through what looks like some type of wormhole that opens up in the middle of the sky. So this video largely went unnoticed for close to 10 years. on YouTube. A lot of people saw it. No one really talked about it. No one knew what to make of it.

He figured it was all fake because how could that be real, right? Well, that's where Ashton comes in. Ashton finds this video, starts doing some digging, gets very intrigued by it, starts posting about it on Twitter, gets more and more into it, gets more and more answers, gets a bigger and bigger following. And now here we are today where he has over 120,000 followers on Twitter because of the work that he's put into this. And because of the explanations and, dare I say evidence that he's put in. into this, showing how and why MH370 may have actually been teleported with advanced technology 10 years ago by the U.S. government. This isn't aliens. This is advanced technology, secret technology that Ashton says is being used by the U.S. government that was used to teleport,

to warp this airplane through a wormhole. Where, who, what, when, how, why, all those questions we go through in this episode and we get the latest on the investigation and some of the answers that Ashton says he is able to put forth even now more answers, more explanations coming out. So if you're not familiar with what's been going on here, that's what's happening as we get in to this interview. So we get into a lot, of course, like I said, to answer you those questions, the latest on the investigations. Some pretty good pieces of conversation as well surrounding how Ashton would kind of approach

if he was a debunker because if you don't know, Ashton comes across a lot of hate on social media. You either are all into what the guy is saying. He's kind of, I hate to say he's divisive. He's not trying to be divisive. But the topic, what he's putting out has kind of become a divisive issue on social media because you either have people who absolutely really hate the guy, unfortunately, and they call him a fraud and all these terrible things. Or you have people who say that he's amazing and he's a hero and he's doing incredible work. So it's hard to find it in between when it comes to the, you know, evidence that Ashton is putting out, the explanations that he's putting out. So we get into all that type stuff too.

And that's why I ask him, you know, if you were a debunker, if you were one of these people who says that you're a fraud, how would you approach the case? So he answers that question. We also get into how it's gained so much attention, how what he has been putting out has gained so much attention over the past really month or so from a lot of big social media accounts. and Elon Musk himself. So there's a lot to get to here. It's a great conversation. Myself and Ashton Forbes right here on UAP Weekly. And as always, you listen and decide for yourself.

Here you go. Hope you enjoy. Well, well, well, look who's back. The one and only, Ashton Forbes, joining me once again here on the Unidentified Alien podcast. Ashton, it's awesome to have you back. We have a lot to cover. It's been a few months since the last time we spoke.

And a lot has happened in those few months. So thanks for coming back on UAP here today. Yeah, I think, Stephen, for having me on. I think this is a pretty breaking moment with respect to the case. You had a big post that I put out there about solving the mystery of the plane and what happened. And it's been taken off. So you've got the first interview. Fantastic.

Look at that. Well, I appreciate that for sure. The exclusive fund, MH370 being solved, I guess we can say. So, well, let me start there because I really want to hit on some of the latest developments. and that is the latest development. So just to kind of touch on that for anybody who didn't see it, you did, you put up a post on on X, Twitter, whatever we want to call it these days,

and said case solved. Like you've put all the pieces together and you spelled it out ABC. It was very fascinating. I read through the whole thing. So I'll let you take it from there. What's, where do we stand on that? Yeah.

And so the big break was one of the final missing puzzle pieces, which was why this plane didn't land in Penang, which all agreed upon flight paths as it flew over. So just as a quick recap, this plane takes off, and within 40 minutes of it taking out from Kuala and poor, going to Beijing, it goes dark. And we had assumed that this was related to a fire with 487 pounds of lithium ion batteries. They stuck out like a sore thumb when you look at the cargo of this plane. The Malaysian Airlines CEO had lied about the cargo until March 20.

well after they started to develop the South Indian Ocean narrative. And then they came out and said, oh, yeah, there's this really dangerous lithium ion batteries that were on this plane. And you can imagine why they would lie about it because if you tell people right after the plane was missing, oh, yeah, there was 500 pounds of lithium ion batteries in the cargo. People are going to be like, okay, that had to be what happened. And that's exactly what did happen. 19 witnesses corroborate this event. Mike McKay sees it on an oil rig on fire.

He gets discredited. He gets fired. There's nine people on the coast here, loud noises at the same time. The batteries, we found out were the forward cargo bay right next to the electronics bay, which could help explain why this plane goes dark when they ignite. And then the plane turns back around. And we've recently, about a month ago, I want to say, some of the investigative experts were able to determine from the radar pings that this plane attempted an emergency descent right after that,

which is exactly consistent with what you would do in a fire scenario. And this completely, in my opinion, rules out any type of suicide. siddle pilot scenario because if you were trying to exfixate everybody, you would depressurize the plane to fly to a very high altitude. And then that way people would succumb very quickly. But if you're flying to a low altitude under 10,000 feet, which is what the plane did, then that's because the fire in the halon fire extinguishing devices are sucking oxygen out of the plane. So what you're trying to do there is you're trying to give them enough oxygen to breathe and intentionally depressurized the plane to get outside oxygen to come in.

Which explains why real quick, why the witness on the oil rig was able to see that, right? because it was flying at a lower altitude, not at 30,000. Generally, it's going to be better at a higher altitude because the problem here, people say, well, he's too far away, almost 300 nautical miles, but there was perfect, clear conditions that just rained. And when you live in Southeast Asia, there's really bad haze. So, like, when it rains, it, like, really improves the visibility and conditions. So he probably would have seen it at cruising altitude, somewhere around 35,000 feet.

But then there was eight fishermen on a boat 10 minutes later after the plane turns around. They see it at low altitude. And all of them get discredited. I don't even know how they discredit those people. They just ignore them. They say, no, whatever. Even though they're like literally on the flight path of where the plane turned around, everybody agrees.

They see the plane plane, find low. And the plane turns back does a direct B line to Penang. Now, the pilot also takes manual control. They know this turn of the pilot was a manual turn. It was not the autopilot that made that turn because it's a harder bank than what you would normally do. So again, this would indicate some kind of emergency event. Going to Penang, that's the closest airport you would go to in a fire emergency. Some would argue you might maybe want to go back to Kualaupur where you came from.

But Penang is slightly closer, slightly better terrain, but it would probably be a judgment call at that point. When the plane gets to Penang, like 20, 30 minutes later, and you can understand why is the right thing to do is because you can't just land right away. Like when you're in an aircraft, it's not like I'm just going to put the plane down anywhere. You know, you've got to have like a path to get to where you're trying to go. And so that's why Penang is the most lot. location. The plane gets there and we know it was flying low because the co-pilot cell phone pings a cell tower. You have to be under like 7,000 feet for that. So this plane was flying pretty low. Now, the missing link was from actually Jeff Wise. Jeff Wise is actually given us some of the

best evidence, even though he's just full CNN brain and like is certain somehow that Russia took this plane. His blog talks about that you can't dump fuel if you have no power. And And there was a comment in his blog as well where somebody else was pointing this out. And I went, oh, that's why they couldn't land the plane because they had too much fuel in the plane. Now, I've flown millions of miles. I've lived overseas. I used to fly every single week for my job. And there were several times where we would have to land like prematurely or something and they would have to burn excess fuel before they could land because you have a maximum landing weight.

This plane had eight hours plus of fuel on it. And we know that because the flight path says the plane flew for eight hours and ran out of fuel. And this is only a hour, less than an hour into the flight. Or like if you go, you add the Penang time, it's maybe about an hour. So they've got seven hours of excess fuel. They're way overweight. So they've got to dump that fuel before they can land. And if they can't because they lost power due to the fire, due to the equipment center,

electronics bay being damaged, then this prevents them from doing that. So the next thing you would do is potentially try to land on your belly, but you can't do that either. You've got seven hours of fuel in your, your plane, you're going to explode. So the next thing you're supposed to do is land in the ocean. And then here's the thing is, well, where are you going to land in the ocean? First of all, the fuel situation is also a problem. So you might need to burn excess fuel before you even want to risk the ocean landing.

But at the same time, you're battling the fire. And the fire, you're only going to be able to keep it at bay for so long. Even an hour or so is extremely dangerous. So this is the part where we've been able to conclude they must have had communications. because there was a B-Tri-7 pilot who was flying the Nareda, who heard the plane at the same time those people on the boat saw the plane flying low, 10 minutes after it went dark, which tells us there had to be some communications. Even if they were even who was static that they were able to make out the pilot or co-pilot's voice,

had to be some communication. Malaysian Minister of Defense in his interview he did with four corners, sketchiest interview ever, I think we've talked about in the past, but he gave away the game. He said that they knew the military knew the plane was not hostile. That's why they didn't send up a jet. And they should have sent one up in a way to track it. It made no sense why they wouldn't send a jet up.

But once you realize they had to have had communications with the plane, then you realize why they did not send up the jet. You realize why they knew the plane wasn't hostile. That's the only way you could know it wasn't a hijacking scenario or suicidal pilot scenarios if you have communications with them. They've classified those communications. That's the only logical conclusion. And then you can assume that, okay, well,

if there were some communication, You know, U.S. military could have been involved in those communications, and they developed a rendezvous point. They said, okay, you're going to attempt an ocean landing. It's an emergency event or whatever. Here's the location, location being the coordinates we see in the satellite video, the Nicarre Islands, the same location where Catherine T sees it. So they also lied probably about the radar, saying that the last radar contact was 1822 UTC. This is like 350 miles away from the coordinates that we see. And we know that because the day after the plane disappeared, all the news reports said that Subang Air Traffic Control lost contact with the plane at 1840 UTC, not 1822.

Why would they say they lost contact at 1840? And the answer is they had to develop cover story, so they changed it and said, no, not 1840, 1822, 320 miles away. Because if people were able to have an accurate timeframe, they're going to figure out this plane was over the Nicobar Islands near where our coordinates are. This is where Catherine T sees it. is where she sees the glowing orange plane, smoke coming on the back of it, flying low, descending. Also, what she thought was potentially performing an emergency landing maneuver. This is corroborated by a Mayday call in the China Times that I found a link to the subreddit

world news from the day after the plane went missing that said at 243, which when you convert that, assuming it's Malaysian times 1843 UTC, within five minutes of Catherine T's citing, five minutes of the Subang Air Traffic Control saying that they lost contact with the plane, that the plane was attempting emergency landing and descending. And this is China. Only China was reporting this because the Western media is covering it up. China's reporting it because they know something sketchy happened. And they're going like, we intercepted this communication.

We know you're lying. And then this is where the videos then come in is that we've got this plane. We've got it on fire. We've got attempting to emergency landing. And then we have two perfectly in sync military videos showing a plane with smoke coming on the back of it, flying low, descending, and doing a turn maneuver as well, which is what you're going to be trying to do to slow down to, you know, if you're going to try to land in the ocean, one option will be trying to land straight like this.

Another option is you're trying to spin around and slow yourself down and touch down. And so people ask, well, if it's a fire event, what's the deal with the orbs in the videos? The orbs in the videos, it proves that. We could never figure this out without these videos because the videos corroborate that event. They tell the true story of the plane. And then the only question is, well, what's the, what's the then motive and situation around it is the United States trying to save the plane after it accidentally, like started on fire? Or if you believe the aliens are saving the plane, whatever. I mean, the fact that we're filming on two cameras to me says that it's our attack, it's our operation.

But then the other option is, well, this is some type of espionage or counter espionage where this was a plan from the beginning. We ignited that we put the batteries on there. We ignited the batteries at the very specific location. It was that weak point between the radars to divert it away from China and back to the west near where our assets are. We might have even remote controlled it based on what the French father was told about these AWACs. And we get it to the rendezvous location, however, we have to get it there. And then we, you know, zap it away. We want our adversaries to see in that scenario because it's a message to them.

We're saying like, hey, you're trying to take our engineers or and then, you know, this is what happens if you keep trying to do that. The reason why that is a very prominent theory is, A, that superconductors and semiconductors are like the basis for the technology we see in those videos. Okay. In addition to plasma physics. And the other thing is that eight of these people were Chinese nationals, 12, sorry,

the free scale semiconductor employees, eight of them were Chinese nationals, 12 were Malaysian nationals. They're working for an American company. This is the number one target for espionage and intellectual property theft is foreign nationals working for American companies. cost the United States somewhere around $600 billion per year from our company. So if these people had developed some of this technology, very advanced superconductors, microchips, things like that, then this would be the reason why you could justify from the

military perspective of doing this type of operation, which is extremely high risk. And, you know, if you get caught doing this and you get some pretty tough explanations to put out there. But the last thing I would say is that I think that even if we were to admit that we did this, the United States, I think that most of America would say, yeah, well, that was justified. And that's kind of the scariest part to me. So that's the story. Yes, I still believe that everything we've seen in those videos is real. I think that we could never figure it out without those videos being real.

And I'm at this point about as certain as you can be that the United States government has literal working warp drive capabilities. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers

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I never get used to hearing this stuff because just to kind of think. about what this would mean, right? If everything that you have put forward over almost the past year can be proven to be true without a shadow of a doubt, what does this mean for the world when it comes to the technology, when it comes to this happened 10 years ago, you know, everything that is involved with this, that the U.S. government would be involved with this and taking the plane or its inhabitants to, we assume someplace like, you know, Diego Garcia is where we, where we assume? Because a lot of people ask, well, where did they go? So, I mean, what would this all mean if, you know, ultimately someone comes out and says,

Ashton got it right? Yeah, it would mean a lot. I mean that we are entering Star Trek age, for one. And the potential we've already been there. Like you said, this was 10 years ago. And we had technology like this. There's a lot of questions that have to be answered in terms of how long we've had this, how long it's been kept secret from us.

We definitely didn't start having floaty orbs that can warp an aircraft away. You know, this started with something more rudimentary than that. So how long have they really been developing this behind the scenes? And one thing, because I looked at these defense intelligence agency papers, I would speculate that we've probably figured out how to manipulate space time somewhere in the early 2000s based on this, that this isn't the first attempt, but this isn't, you know, it's not like it's something we've potentially had for a hundred years.

Although I think the basis, the science for this has been out there for a long time, which I think is something called scalar physics, something that I think a lot of mainstream physicists would say, oh, well, that's that's mumbo-jumbo, but I think we can pretty much prove that it's real. Directed energy weapons are based on this type of science, as well as probably some other pretty advanced stuff that we're going to be finding out about in the future here as well. Like fusion power, I think, can help be explained by some of this, as well as just straight up free energy.

And this goes back to Thomas Bearden, who was talking about this all the way back in the 80s, 38 years ago. And this is where the idea of macroscopic phase conjugation. which is the technical science term for warp drive something. That's where all of this comes from, which is the idea that Maxwell's equations, James Kirk Maxwell, he wrote the electromagnetic equations back

almost 100 years ago, I want to say. And Oliver Heaviside came and reduced his 20 equations down to four. And when he did that, we lost the ability to manipulate gravity. And this is where I think we kind of hamstrung ourselves with respect to science. And this is why we've struggled for so long, to understand quantum mechanics and understand the idea of dark matter and dark energy and what those

types of things mean if we bring back nicola Tesla's ether the extra dimension of unlimited negative energy i think we can solve easily dark energy at a minimum which is the idea of how does the universe expand faster in the speed of light during the big bang well the answer is because there's the universe isn't just something that came out of nothing it's the uh the paint on which the canvas is uh the paint on top of the canvas and the canvas itself would be the ether and then dark energy is the pressure between those two mediums that's always happening and this is going to explain how we have stuff like quantum fluctuations in the vacuum and uh what's the other one that they say um i can't think of it off top of my head right now but it'll come to me oh yeah the quantum or the

virtual particles that they say when you think about that you're like what does that actually mean though Like something is just appearing out of nothing. Well, no. The answer is that there's an extra dimension, the ether that's got unlimited negative energy. And you're seeing the interactions between fabric, you know, canvas and our reality itself. And we don't perceive it all the time because our, it's like when we look at a painting, we don't see the canvas when we look at the painting, but that doesn't mean the canvas isn't there. All we have to do is rip off the paint and then we can see the canvas underneath.

This is exactly what we're seeing in the MH370 videos. That's why these videos are the most important videos in the history of the world. is that if we produce a strong enough electric charge, like we see these orbs do when they converge, consistent with Kulom's law, they're literally ripping through the fabric of reality there. They're breaking the shringer limit, causing the area there to become non-linear,

which is the idea of a wormhole. And if you look at the DIA papers, they've perfectly, these are papers in 2010 that are warp drive, dark energy, and manipulation of extra dimensions. I was just about to ask you about that. actually. I'm glad you brought it up. When it comes to those papers, you actually, it was fascinating.

I popped into one of your Twitter live streams not too long ago, and you were showing some of these papers. They're readily available. I mean, on government sites. So talk about some of these government sites, these government agencies that actually have these studies published on how this- Defense Intelligence Agency. So Defense Intelligence Agency, the former director of the,

Defense intelligence agency is General Flynn. And a lot of people, I think he's been attacked. My opinion is that a lot of disinformation has been used against him to discredit him. He follows me on Twitter. Okay. So why is there a former general who was the director of the defense intelligence agency following me on Twitter, especially if these videos are fake? Just think about that for a second.

And then why do we have defense intelligence data papers? One of them is warp drive, dark energy manipulation of extra dimensions. That's a paper that's in there. Yeah, it's been there since I mean, I don't know when it was declassified, but it says it has a 2010 date on it. So this is four years before the plane disappeared as well. Say the title one more time because I really want to highlight that that this paper is in there. Yeah, warp drive, dark energy and manipulation of extra dimensions. I mean, I couldn't ask for a more, a better paper that just literally lays out exactly what we see in the videos.

And I remember looking and seeing that paper beforehand, but just like when you're not woken up you just think like oh this is just some things somebody wrote you realize like these are like government engineers and scientists and physicists writing these papers these aren't just rando dudes on the street putting their thoughts on the on the paper like these are people that would be in the know for this type of stuff and i'll get to the implications that at sec the second one is traversable wormholes stargates and negative energy and there's a connection between negative energy and dark energy they might be one and the same the ether can explain both of them is that just simply the pressure in the medium.

And gravity itself is just a stress in the medium, which there's a quick explanation I like to use, which is this explains how we've screwed up and lost how to manipulate gravity, which is that in physics, if I were to take two forces, I'm pulling both sides here. Physics would say, well, there's equal and opposite forces here. If you cancel it out, it means there's zero, the sum total of the vector is zero here. So, you know, pull equally, and I can pull equally a little bit harder, like twice as hard, and the sum total is still zero. I can pull four times as hard or three times as hard.

three times it's hard and the sum total is still zero. But if I keep pulling this, this rubber band's going to snap in half because there's a stress here in the medium. The stress in the medium of space time is gravity. And so that's what we forgot about is that we said, oh, well, if you just zero, zero these out and cancel each other out, then there's nothing left. But it's not that there's nothing left. There's still something left.

The stress is still left. This is what happened when we reduced Maxwell's equations or all of our heavy side did. And this is why everybody in school gets taught Maxwell's equations and they can't figure out how to manipulate gravity. And we think it's just magical that's out there. So these papers, I think these papers, and I've reviewed them, I probably wanted to review them again, they explain everything that we see in MH370 videos. They explain a traversable wormhole and that the difference between a traversable wormhole and a black hole, because a lot of people say, well, was Don Lemon right about the videos saying that, you know,

MH370 was sucked in a black hole. there is a there's no event horizon on the mouth of a wormhole and what that means is the event horizon on a black hole is the area where not even light can escape anymore right so that if you go past that event horizon you can knock it out there's no possible way that you can get out on a wormhole there is no event horizon so you can go through it which this means is that they're humanly traversable and if you google humanly traversable wormholes you're going to find like three or four different scientific papers one of which was written by juaneldaena who is also the person who's the proponent of ER equals EPR with Leonard Susskind, which is that a wormhole is

fundamentally equivalent to quantum entanglement, that this is how we can unify general relativity and quantum field mechanics. And I don't think a lot of this is a coincidence. I think we're getting, I think the public science is getting very close to have it figured it out. I think that all these concepts are 100% on the money. And I think that these papers exist as plausible deniability. so that when this stuff comes out, and I don't think they planned on having this come out anytime soon. Like, you know, if I hadn't been doing this, I think 2030 you could go by and they're still going to talk about,

but let's say we get to 2040 or 2050. And all of a sudden, it becomes undeniable. Like some other events happen, the warp drive gets shown again. And they go, well, no, we had these papers back in 2010. We, you know, we weren't lying. Why do you think we wrote all those papers? And then everybody in the world go, oh, okay, yeah, you wrote these papers. you weren't lying to us, you know, and that's what I think is plausible deniability.

Right. You know, that's why they can say they weren't lying about having the technology. It's like, oh, we had them. You just didn't pay any attention to them. You didn't think that they were real, you know, so, yeah. Man, it's just so, you know, huge to consider. I mean, this is life-changing stuff. This is world-changing stuff that, you know, people don't walk around in their everyday life

thinking about, but, you know, you've been tackling it, and you've gained quite the following while putting the stuff out there. And I think, again, one of the big questions was, you know, well, where did the plane go? I want to add on to that because we've talked about Diego Garcia, which if you're not familiar with that, it's a super secret military installation. It is a real base. People really do work there. It's not some, you know, ghost story.

It's a real place in that area of where, you know, MH370 was within the vicinity. Anyway, so not only where did it go, but how do you, and maybe we don't have the answer for this, but how do you direct a wormhole? So if they are going to Diego Garcia and MH370 gets you know, warped in that moment, how, how is it made sure that they're going to reappear on the other end of the wormhole at Diego Garcia? Yeah, the answer again is science, but I don't think it showed up directly at Diego Garcia. And I think that even if we have this kind of technology, it's not just unlimited. We're not to the point where we're beaming you up from one location and putting you down anywhere we want. Now, I think we will potentially get there. But that's the thing where I want to

people to understand is even after we get this Star Trek level technology, we still have all this further to advance it. It's like the three body problem in terms of going from being able to move faster in the speed of light to then actually be able to have something very tiny that can do it. I think the secret there is entanglement. But again, some of this is going to be somewhat speculative, but it's based on science. First thing I want to say is that the best location we have for it is somewhere near the Maldives, because that's west of where we see the coordinates.

And when we see the plane go through this wormhole, it looks like it gets sucked back in the frame, the very first frame compared to the wormhole compared to the frame right beforehand. We can see that the orbs bend, consistent with some type of lensing effect, which is another thing that those papers talk about. And then the plane goes backwards a little bit,

not much, but a little bit. And this is important because, you're looking at the plane front on and you look at the orientation, the spin of the orbs, they're creating a torus around the plane, which is a donut shape. And they're spinning in a clockwise. For you guys, it would be this way is clockwise. For me, it's this way. But anyway, clockwise is important because if that's your magnetic vector, your magnetic field,

you use the right hand rule and you curl your vector. What you get then is you're going to have a situation where you're going to have the electromagnetics would say the vector potential of your electromagnetic wave or field you're created would be backwards. And so this is actually the direction of travel going backwards is actually consistent with electromagnetics as well. So if somebody fake these videos, they put in a lot of crazy details about consistent with science and electromagnetics.

Now, what we had speculated, and this goes to my friend Dave Rossi, who's a DOD contractor engineers himself and Thomas Bearden, who has passed away a couple of years ago that I wish I would be able to meet, is that what we're seeing is macroscopic phase conjugation. And so what's happening is that we can create scalar potentials, which is the stress and the medium, aka gravity, by canceling out our electromagnetic waves. So if we do what I was saying before, we cancel the electric and magnetic potential out. So we create two opposite waves that completely cancel each other out. It's not that there's nothing left, remember, there's the stress and the mediums left. That's the scalar potential.

That's our gravitational manipulation. So what we're going to do is we're going to, and if we do that, we could do that with two points, right? This is like if I'm pulling on both sides, that's a zero point system like this. But there's another way to create a zero point system like this, an equilateral triangle. An equilateral triangle is a zero point system. What do we see when we look at the MH370 videos? An equilateral triangle being formed around them by their orbs. What they're doing is they're focusing their beams directly on the center of mass of the plane.

This creates a perfect cancellation of those electromagnetic waves that they're shooting at it, which creates something called a pump system. So these waves are acting like the pump system, the triangle is, and that's why they're converging together to increase the electromagnetic force based on Kulam's law, which says that as the distance of the charges reduces, the force increases exponentially. And now we know that we have the right-hand rule, which sends us our vector backwards. Now, Dave and other people would also argue that there's a fourth orb. And so that what you've done is you entangle one of those or those three orbs over here, let's

say to a fourth orb somewhere over here back to the west. And that can then control exactly like where it shows up. Because otherwise, how far is it going to go? They're just going to keep going to the west forever. It needs to stop at some point. Right. And so you have that Kulam's Law occur where you have these orbs converging, then poof, snap. Now they all show up with the plane somewhere over here.

And to me, I think, well, that's magic, right? But at the same time, you could imagine it get even crazier where it's like, well, why not send it to the endromeda galaxy or to the moon or somewhere else? and I think in the future we can potentially get that far. But for now, there might even be line of sight issues. I don't know. The thing is we don't have two videos on the other side to know exactly where it shows up. But we do have a B-Triple-7 fire suppression device that washes up in the Maldives.

It gets falsely reported on as a bomb because it looks like a cartoon bomb. And they just completely dismiss it. And then we also have 20 islanders that see the plane several hours later coming from the west and then flying south towards Diego Garcia, 20 islanders on a small island of 3,000 people. They don't see jumbo jets. And they can make out the red and white stripe on the plane. So based on this, we say, okay, the plane somehow warped somewhere over to the west.

Maybe it landed and then they took care of the fire. And then they take off again and fly towards Diego Garcia. I can't say. I'm not psychic. I don't have remote viewing capabilities or anything like that. But I respect people that do have that stuff. That's awesome. But for me, I can only say what I know for sure, which is what we see in those videos.

and the crowbrating evidence that leads up to it. So that's a macrocapa phase conjugation. It's still pinned to my tweet in my profile if anyone wants to read it and see it. I would say the only thing that's even in question from a scientific perspective is like, well, can we really create a gravitational wave? Because if we can create a gravitational wave, then you can understand how this thing is happening. And I think that that's why I show the whole stuff and talk about stuff about Maxwell,

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That's Shopify.com slash UAP. Now, really fascinating stuff, Ashton. Let me, to say the least, let me look at it from the other angle with you. And this is actually a question that came from Twitter. I had put out the day before this, this interview, hey, you're going to be talking to Ashton again on UAP. If you have any questions, you want me to throw his way, feel free. And I found this one interesting.

Someone said, ask him if, and I wish I had the name in front of me. I want to give him the credit, but I don't have the name in front of me. They said, ask him if he was a debunker, right? Because you've explained everything from your end, how you looked at it, how, you know, you said you have figured this out, and you've done a great job explaining you laid out all those details. but they said if you were looking at it at the angle of the debunkers the people who come at you and say ashton's a fake ashton's a fraud ashton's a grifter he's just you know trying to make money off of this or he's you know these are easily debunked through visual effects programs if you were coming at it from that end how would you try to explain something like this yeah and i would go about a completely different way i would be a great debunker and skeptic and maybe i will be in the future because for me i people think well, you're biased. It's not that I'm biased. I've got a case here that's extremely

compelling with respect to the amount of evidence that comes along with it. I approach it from the scientific method perspective. So if I'm a debunker and I tell the debunkers exactly what I'm going to say right now, which is that I would develop a comprehensive story for who faked it and how they faked it, not just, oh, this thing here is a video game graphic. You know, like that's not a story. That's just you making an assertion. That's just you speculating. What's the evidence? what's the hard evidence, you know? So like the VFX stuff, I think is just kind of a joke because people literally what they're saying is that it looks nothing alike. But if I change it all around, then it looks alike. Like that's not logic. That's not a reason. That's just rank speculation,

baseless speculation. Like what are the real facts? If I was at a bunker, I would be trying to find the hoaxer. That would be my only goal out there is. And if I thought there was any chances are hoaxed, I would be doing that. I would have taken that $150,000 that we had for that bounty that was up there. I could use that money. People will talk about turning down money and what have you. I'm like, nah, like, crap guys, I'm not like that rich. Like I will take like any money that people want to throw at me. I don't ask for money, but right. Jeez, you know. And that's the thing is that if the, this cloud debunk, if that cloud debunk, uh, this two D picture, which we can't have a two D picture. We've got two videos from different perspectives. We've got volumetric clouds that are moving and

evolving. We can actually line up the videos and see the same clouds in both videos. And we've got the zap, this flash that happens, which, by the way, that's consistent with those papers as well that says, like, when you have this wormhole happen, the photons, the light that hits it, like accumulates around the wormhole's mouth. And then it creates a flash of light. And I read that and went, holy crap. But anyway, like, we've got all this, which basically proves that if they are fake, they require a 3D rendered environment. So for people to deny that basic reality, like goes to show that people are really grasping at straws and reaching. Because you should start there and say, okay, someone's a 3D render environment. I'd say the next thing is, is Regicide and non the hoaxer.

And this is what I asked, one of the debunkers on a space I was on last night. Because if Regicide's not the hoaxer, then why does it say received March 12th, 2014 in their description? That narrows the window down a lot. Like this is how if you're approaching it from an investigative standpoint, trying to find their person to hoax it, these are the questions you should be asking right away. Not like, oh, I think this looks like video games. I think I could have created this in five minutes. And if it is a 2D cloud picture from this obscure website in 2014, and we've already shown that

that cloud image is not in any torrents. That means it had to have been downloaded from that website. Then I would be reaching out to that website owner every day saying, give me a list of the people that download this image in a 70-day window from an obscure website. It's got to be less than five people. So one of those people theoretically would have to be the hoaxer. Like that's the only thing skeptics should be looking at. that's what I would be doing.

And this is the scientific method. This is how you do like a true investigation, not speculating and saying this must be this, you know, without any actual basis for it. It's following the evidence, following the facts. And I think that's a good point to touch on. By the way, real quick, the person who asked that question was Aaron Johnson at Big Cherry 1515. So I just wanted to give them credit on the question that they posed there. And something that you mentioned, I think is pretty striking.

I think it's something that people forget sometimes. You didn't put out this video. You know, people, I think, have this idea when they, when they question it, when they try to debunk when they say, you know, Ashton's, you know, faking this. It's not like you were the first one to put out this video. And I think people forget that. This was on YouTube 10 years ago, right? And this was just a few days after the disappearance. And you mentioned the name, Regicide Anon, of the man, Edward C. Lynn, who we think that's, that's who.

it is and he ended up going to jail and we think you know we i know you put those two and two together there that he would be the one that leaked it because of his background and how he went to jail for leaking secrets and everything so i think people need to kind of keep down a perspective first that this isn't an ashton forbes production this was out there 10 years ago i think that's that's something to keep in mind yeah it's it's not my videos uh people do say that like oh your videos it's like no they just appeared on social media and i remember seeing one in 2014 and was like whoa that is crazy and then you look at it you see the second video and you start digging into the evidence you're like wait there's a citric session you can see the mouse at 24 frames per second and we can see these coordinates in the

bottom screen like this is already for me i was like okay this is way too much like this has got to be real nobody's faking all these crazy details like a real remote terminal login to a completely unknown satellite capabilities with a satellite designation and coordinates that are accurate to six degrees like it's just it's that was a lot and so anyone could have done this absolutely Absolutely. You know, and I'm just the guy that really put myself out there. And that's what it sometimes it takes is like you tie your real name to it. You do an investigation. You dig into it. And I didn't know what we would get to through this investigation. I didn't know we would find out about this whole fire scenario. I had no idea about the fire scenario before this started. Now I've got a post out there with over two million views basically saying we've proven that the fire scenario is real. And then with respect to the Edward C. Lynn thing, I want to talk a little bit about this because I'm not going to go to all the details about Edward C. Lynn. but I will say, like, if you look at the case around him, I'm like 99% sure this is the guy. Like, he's all the dates and times, his, his, his, his, his, his position, his spy planes, defense saying the classified information questions available to the internet.

I think that the way it probably played out was that he leaked that to somebody he trusted, potentially maybe one of his Taiwanese contacts, and they put it on the internet. And they gave it to, like, Regicide Anon or some UFO forum or some, something like that. I think there was like somebody in the middle that happened because I think that's why his defense said classified information questions available on internet is that they're saying that he's not the one who directly leaked it out there. He gave it to somebody else that he trusted that they wouldn't leak it. And I also think that explains why they tried to run a sting operation on him. And if you look at some of his case, you find out that he was like he had kind

of a big mouth and he was saying stuff about stuff that he probably shouldn't. But you can imagine if you're in the military, people do that. You know, they tell their friends like, hey, somebody told me a story where like my buddy got really drunk and he was in the military and this happened 15 years ago and he calls me one night wasted and he's like we can teleport stuff you know like that kind of things happened right that was a crazy story too because that guy was like dude after you did this investigation like i now think that guy was telling me the truth um so that's kind of how i think it played out um but honestly at the end of the day like i'm starting to get to the point where i think i need to find edward seeland like i didn't i don't want to do this and i don't want to go there because

if these videos are real he might be in danger um and i don't want to want to harass him and I truly think that he's my hero when it comes to disclosure and what have you. But he's the only one who can prove beyond any doubt that these videos are real. And I'm afraid that ARO, who I've given all this information to, is I think I might have spooked them now. I might have redpilled a few people as well because they, since their last communication, which was almost a month ago, April 11th, where they said that they found something that

the United States government was something about the search efforts after the plan. plane went off radar. They've just ghosted me since then. And like I, I can imagine why because if these videos are real, they were able to look in Edwards, C. Lynn and find out he leaked the videos. Boy, there's a lot of,

that's like, what can you even tell me? Like, you have to just go quiet if that's the case. Otherwise, why wouldn't they just come back and be like, no, he didn't leak the videos.

No, we looked at that's not how an MQ1C, Grey Eagle looks like. No, that's not what our cyber system looks like. It's a little pretty simple answers to come back and just say that. And they didn't. Like, in fact,

I don't think I've read this. I want to read this due to, too, because this is like, this was one of those mind-blowing things that I think happened to me in general with getting this response. I did not. I expected them just to lie to me or gaslight me or something because you know guys know what AAROs kind of the way people look at them. They think they're just full of craft, but I think they're just normal people. This response, Mr. Forbes, my apologies for the slow responses. AARO is researching several topics at the moment. Some of AARO's initial research into MH370 has revealed the U.S. government's search efforts

after the airliner disappeared from radar. I believe the genesis and authenticity of the videos may be helpful. Can you confirm the dates the videos are posted to the Regisited non-Utube channel? And yes, a quick follow-up call may be helpful. I'm like, what? Mind-blowing, yeah. That should be like the biggest news out. That's probably the biggest break in MH-370 in general, like over the last, maybe even 10 years.

Like that is, that says the United States government knows something. They've got some classified information about this plane. And the reason why that's so important is we searched for three years in the South Indian Ocean, found nothing, nothing down there. So like, does the United States know what happened to this plane or not? Like we've pretty much shown they must know what happened to this plane, whether or not you think those videos are real. They've got to know.

So what the hell are they hiding? So, and why would AARO have it be within their remit, as people say, to look into a missing airliner at all, unless we've got. this crazy anomalous anti-gravitational space time warping capability on video. So crazy, huh? It sure is. I have a feeling that in some ways we're kind of just beginning this. I feel like there's that this investigation and the results of it or the, you know,

repercussions of it are kind of just starting to pick up because you've really gained a lot of steam with this over the past couple months specifically. I mean, as far as people who have taken notice, You were just on Glenn Beck last week or, you know, about, yeah, last week or so and spoke to on the Glenn Beck show for about 15 minutes. I mean, that's a big national show. You got attention from the Hodge Twins, which have a big following on social media. They've been reposting the videos. Elon Musk responded to one, kind of, you know, denying it, saying that, you know, we don't think that aliens are real at SpaceX.

But the point that you were making, well, this isn't aliens. So, I mean, even like Elon Musk, you've got Elon's attention, Ashton. So if Elon is listening to this or the Hodge twins, if they put it out, what would you say if you were talking to Elon right now about this? Yeah, the Elon thing is super weird because he 100% knows about me. There's no way he doesn't. I'm like, got to be one of the fastest rising people on his platform. I'm saying the craziest stuff more than anybody else.

You got the Hodge Twins reposting it. You know, at Kim.com previously supporting it, who knows Elon. there's no way he's not familiar with it and he gets asked like what's going on with this and if he had read any of my stuff he he should know that i'm talking about u.s government tech and he puts like a copy and paste thing which is like oh we've got 6,000 sizes and we haven't seen any aliens and hodgewin's even reply and they're like that's not what he's saying at all like Elon's a smart guy yeah so for him to make like a dodge statement like that's almost like a politician like ignoring the question and the fact that Elon has a that he's a billionaire and that also be He's got defense contracts. He almost certainly has an NDA that he can't speak out about our capabilities. Sure. That scares me a little bit because that makes me wonder, like, does he actually know? I didn't think he knew, but now I'm thinking maybe he does know.

And what scares me about that is that he talks about interstellar, us being interstellar of species. I've been, I clip a lot of his stuff when he does podcast, especially with Joe Rogan, talking about how we can travel, how we can figure out how to travel faster in the speed of light. There's one where he says, we know there must be a way because we know the big bang, expanded, you know, space expanded faster than the speed of light, which is dark energy, negative energy, the same thing I was talking about the ether. So it's like, how would he not be interested in this? It scares me and it really scares me because I've been told from people that I trust very

highly that a lot of elite people know about this stuff. They know that free energy is real. They have some of these engineers that work for the government, produce for them, free energy devices, like a device that can just, is a generator that just doesn't even need to be, but you plug it in and can unplug. it and it can run your entire house or bunker or whatever you needed to do. And that, yes, they probably cost a decent amount of money, but it's not like an unfathomable amount of money, like maybe like $100,000, not like millions of dollars.

Right. And then when you think about it from that perspective, you think, oh, well, okay, this kind of explains everything. It's like the elites and the special club, the people that know and the people that don't, and, you know, they don't trust us with this technology and stuff like that. So what would I say to Elon, though? The answer to Elon would be like, I've got the answers here, man. They're not just to Elon, but like all the scientists and physicists that are out there.

You know, I think that a lot of these people are extremely condescending because they think that only stuff can be true is what they've been slowly accumulating through papers. But we know there's something wrong. We have to come up with terms like dark energy and dark matter because we don't see what that stuff is and we can't explain it. So there must be something else. And so these scientists and physicists, they work this way. They go, okay, here's the newest revelation.

Here's the newest paper, blah, blah, blah. I'm looking at the answers over here, and I'm going backwards. I'm reverse engineering it going, okay, here's the wormhole. We can see it happening. It's corroborated by a real event. It's corroborated by more evidence than most murder cases get. And then how can that be possible? What does that mean?

Oh, well, it means we screwed up when we reduced the Maxwell equation. Like, we can explain like every aspect of it. And I think this is where the resurgence has come from in the case, where it took me way less time to figure out the science than I thought. I thought, like a lot of people that look at this, they go, well, that's unknowable how that works. We can't know how that works. It must be alien technology. It took me less than six months as a normal dude with no formal education and any of the science stuff to figure out and be able to explain logically intuitively exactly how it works.

And, you know, I think if you give me another six months, who knows how far we'll be able to get with that. So there is, in my opinion, a Nobel Prize waiting for the first prominent physicist or wherever it comes out and shows that, yes, like there is an ether which can explain dark energy, they look at these papers and go, yes, we can do warp drive. And yes, what we're seeing in those videos is possibly the first ever, high definition, recorded endothermic event or wormhole ever seen in human history. Now, there might be other ones out there that are classified or something like that,

but this is the first one that's like in the public purview. And it took us almost 10 years of it being out in the public to even grasp that like it could even possibly be real, which shows like we had to raise our collective conscious to a point where like we can even begin to understand this kind of advanced technology. And to me, that's the missing link in UFOology, which is that the technology is so advanced that we can't even comprehend it to be real until, you know, we get to a certain point where the science starts to catch up and then some random dude on Twitter's like, wait a minute, can this be real. Let me dig through it and then find out, oh, yeah, it can be.

And you just turned out to be the random dude. So here we are. In this case, I guess, yeah. I want to get you out of here on this. And this is something that actually I was thinking about last night. And it's kind of pulled back the curtain on my, on my home life, I guess, for this one. Because I was talking to my wife about this. And I said, she has no idea about any of this stuff. You know, we're in two different worlds as far as our interests are concerned,

which is probably why, you know, we work. But I said to her, like, you know, have you seen this before? Because it dawned on me. I'm like, you know, obviously you're entrenched in it. I'm entrenched in all this stuff, right? All the conversations that I have on UAP here. but I'm like, I wonder if she's ever heard of this, because again, she's not in this field at all. And I showed it to her and she was like, oh, wow, what was that?

So it kind of dawned on me. I'm like, there's a lot of people like my wife, the majority, honestly, who have never heard of this, who have never seen the videos and have no idea that this exists. So if you came across something like that, right, let's say we're having dinner and my wife is there and she's like, so Ashton, tell me about this. What do you say to somebody like that who has just seen the video or heard of this for the very first time? Yeah, great question. And I do know that there's, even though we've had tens of millions or hundreds of millions of views and impressions, it's still a very small percentage of the people out there.

They're even aware of this stuff. And that's the reason why the government can't make a statement on it. It's the reason why they have the media, the mainstream media, not talk to me. I think it's 100% intentional at this point. because if they do that, then it wakes up a lot of people. And it's a very touchy subject. So because a lot of people do want to show their loved ones and what have you. And so even when I talk to my family members and stuff like that that aren't aware,

it's like, okay, well, first of all, this is going to break your mind here. And you're going to, you know, this is going to be impossible to believe, but it's real. And then the way I go about it is the same way I went about with Glenn Beck, which is you look and you say, okay, start by proving the lie, you know, start by saying, you know, What do you think happened to the plane? What do you think the evidence is? Most people come up with this suicide pilot crash in the ocean. Ocean's really big.

And you realize this is just all programming that's been programmed into people. So you prove the lie. You say, United States government has to know. I mean, they've got satellites everywhere. We've got this SOSIS sound system that heard the Titan sub. We've got over the horizon radar. You can see for thousands of miles. It's a plane flying for eight hours.

And then that's when you dig into what really happened, which is okay. Have you seen this post about this guy talking about the fire event? he lays it out you know two videos 19 witnesses flight path indicates it technical data indicates it uh and then we also you know we have what's going on the videos so then the next part is okay you show them the orb videos and most people are going to go well what is that aliens or you know because it's so far beyond they say no here's the science it's macroscopic phase conjugation this is consistent with electrical engineering you know Maxwell's equations were rewritten uh are reduced and this is how all this stuff is possible and then and the the hard part is that people then are like

okay, well, how long is the government hiding this? What kind of conspiracy are we dealing with here? And that's the part that really breaks most people. And there's not much you can do about it. It's a matter of waking people up because for a lot of people, the government to be lying about something this major really throws their whole worldview into question. Is that, okay, if they can lie about this, what else are they lying about? I don't want to get too political with it, but you look at major stuff like COVID and what have you.

And you go, okay, well, are they able to manipulate things on that grand of a scale? I think that people that look at these videos and realize that the government can hide, you know, have the whole media lie to you about a plane crashing into the ocean, which it never did. Then they can realize that, yeah, they can manipulate you on a major scale. And they have very powerful control over the way that you think. And so then this is why I say it's really a matter of waking people up. It's not a situation where we have to invent some new physics or anything like that. We maybe reimagine or slightly adjust the equations that we have.

It's just a matter of saying this is already out there. All you have to do is look and you can come to the same conclusions I did. Like what MH370X did was just pull up old news articles, pull up news reports, pull up to old press conferences, went through everything piece by piece. And we took all the evidence in. We only ignored evidence or not, we didn't ignore any evidence, actually. We only ruled out evidence that did not have any factual basis or support for it,

which was the satellite pinks after 1840 UTC. Everything else. This is the story pulls in all that, the witnesses that were ignored, the batteries, the plane descending, the flight path, all this stuff is like only consistent with this story.

So if people can come up with a better story, if you want to challenge people, what you can say is this is why I've made the evidence list publicly available because whatever story you come up with, it's got to fit with that evidence list. You've got to have an answer for everything on that evidence list, including the videos, the witnesses, all that stuff. And what you'll quickly come to the conclusion is that the story that has been put out here by me and the team is the one that makes the most sense.

Well, I think that's a pretty good closing statement. Ash, I mean, I say this all the time when we talk, but I could talk to you for another hour, another two hours. So we'll have to do this again. If you're down with it, we can always come back and, you know, do another conversation together. I'd also like to put out an open invitation if you're down for it as well to anybody who, you know, of note that would like to come on and have a debate. You know, I've tried to do this with Mick West. We know what Mick West is like.

He wants to sit in his corner and just type on the computer and not actually face anybody. So it is what it is. I still put the challenge out to him. Come on, Mick, I would love to have you on. But anybody of note who has come out against these claims and feels like they have counterproof against what Ashton is saying, I would love to host a debate and I put that challenge out there to have you and someone else on here that would be willing to go up against you in this conversation. If you're getting down with it, I am. Yeah, I think you'd be a really good host.

Honestly, I think the difficult part is just that it's multifaceted at this point. So it's like you have the MH370 videos, which you could have somebody like McWest try to argue with, which I don't know how fruitful it would be, but maybe we can consider that. then you have the MH370 case itself, which you might have someone like, you know, Larry Vance or Victor Ilanello or Mike Exner, one of his independent group people, or even Jeff Wise, who knows. Jeff Wise is probably the best. I'm not something like that. And then you also have the side of the science where it's like I would, and the science part is the one that I'd really like to do. I would like to have, you know, Eric Weinstein, Sabrina Hossensfelder, really any Brian Cox, I don't care.

You know, any scientists is out there. try to show or explain how this science can't be real. Why can't the ether be real? What is the scientific basis for why can't be real? And I've had a, I proposed these exact debates is that, okay, find something you can do it. Because I can do all three. I'm a triple threat on this one. You know, videos, MH3702 case, science, I'm down for it.

So yes, I appreciate that. And maybe we can set that up in the future. So if anyone would be those people of any of those three spectrums want to debate about this, you know, reach out to me. reach out to Stephen and we'll see what we can do. Yeah, that's perfect. Thanks, Ashton, so much for all this. Tell everybody where they can find you if they haven't found you already.

Yeah, right down here at JustX Ashton. You can find me on Twitter or you can follow me on YouTube, which same also, JustX Ashton as well. Been streaming pretty much like every other night or so going through the science, going through the case, whatever. It's been awesome. So thank you everybody for following and all the new followers. Welcome.

Absolutely. Well, Ashton, thanks again for coming on here. I think it's the fourth time that you come on, UAP, and hopefully we can do a fifth and, you know, keep up with each other as this goes on because I don't believe we're anywhere close to done. So we'll definitely keep in touch on all this. Sounds good. Thanks, Stephen.

Thanks, Ashton. And there you go. Fascinating, as always. I always appreciate Ashton making time to come on here. I know he's really busy. So to be able to go through all that and lay that out for you is what it's all about. And we're serious, by the way, about that debate idea.

I really want to do that. I think it would be really informative. I think it would be really beneficial for a lot of people to hear both sides laid out in front of you. That's what I tried to do anyway on this show is to kind of just put the info out for you so you can make up your own mind on it all. So if I could get a debate going with Ashton and what are those people he mentioned or somebody of note in this field of whether it's, you know, science or the case itself or whatever it might be that Ashton was talking about, I think that would be really beneficial for everyone. So I'm going to work on that. And if there's some way that, you know, anyone can help me to get one of those debates done,

then I'm all ears because I really do want to make that happen. I think that would be great. So I'm going to work on that. And so much more as we continue on with UAP here. We've got a lot coming up, a lot of different ideas, a lot of different interviews and things like that lined up in the future. So definitely stay tuned if you're not following along on social media. at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter. It's at UAE Podcast 850. Pretty much on all social media if you want to check it out on Twitter, on YouTube. I have some videos up there and I'm trying to put up

more. I always say that, but I really am and I have more up on YouTube. I want to get more up on TikTok as well. So follow along on social media to get the latest updates of what's going on. And of course, if you'd like to reach out to me on the email, if you'd like to send me a direct message there, feel free. It's at, well, not at, but email address S.D. or UAP at gmail.com. There we go. I got it right. S-Dener UAP, that's S-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at gmail.com.

If you like to send me an email. And also I'd be getting messages on the website, UAPPodcast.com. So if you'd like to do that, I hadn't put that out there. So I appreciate everybody who's sending me messages on UAPPodcast.com. You could always go to the website and reach me through the website. And, of course, the episodes are on there and everything, all the links. So feel free to check out UAPpodcast.com as well. That's always a good avenue, I should say.

But thanks again to Ashton for joining. Always such a fascinating conversation to cover all this because it's just amazing stuff to consider when it comes to, is this what really happened to MH370? And it's just always so captivating to hear the evidence and the explanations that Ashton puts forward. It's really incredible stuff. The last thing I'll say is this, because I wanted to say this while I was talking to Ashton, I didn't get to. When he talks about, you know, entering the Star Trek age, I think it's worth mentioning that I believe it was D.C. Long, one of the whistleblowers, if you haven't heard my episode with him, that was, I believe, last year, last July of 2023. And he was a whistleblower

at the Dr. Stephen Greer Disclosure Conference last June in Washington, D.C. that I attended. And D.C. Long's a great guy. We had an awesome conversation together here on UAP. If you've never heard that. You can go back and listen. But I believe it was him that told me that he was told basically all of the technology, and if it wasn't him, I apologize, it might have been Michael Herrera. I might have been Stephen Greer himself, and I just, I can't remember, but it's one of the three. But they said all the technology that you've seen in Star Trek, the U.S. government has it, they've developed it, and they've shelved most of it, because it's just not cost effective. So it makes you wonder if that's the case,

is that the kind of technology that we are seeing on the videos that Ashton has been putting forth from YouTube that came out on YouTube 10 years ago of this plane disappearing, of it being warped into a wormhole? Just saying, just putting it out there. But outside of that, don't forget to download and subscribe to the show where you've got your podcasts and all the major podcasting platforms you can find it and rate as well.

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