UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 5-9-24 Exclusive Behind the Scenes Info on Jason Sands

Episode Date: May 9, 2024

Military Intelligence Insider, Anthony Williams, returns to the show to speak on his relationship with Jason Sands and what was going on behind the scenes that led to his story coming out. Should we believe what Jason has to say? Anthony gives us his exclusive info on the matter...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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See why American Afterlife is the number one fiction and drama podcast in America. Presented by pair of thieves. Listen on Apple Podcast. Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite shows available now welcome back into another edition of uap weekly i am stephen deanor back with you here as always on the unidentified alien podcast and i'm really really excited to get this episode out to you today this is actually part one i know i always say it i don't mean to do two-part episodes but it's just it kind of happens like that organically and i don't want to fill you up so much with so much information all at once i always feel like

it's better to kind of take these things in doses, especially with a conversation like today. So what you're going to hear today is some very unique perspective, kind of one-of-a-kind interview here. I'm not kind of just saying that, you know, to pump myself up or to pump up anything that I'm doing. I really mean that it's because what you're going to hear is someone who has worked with Jason Sands. And it's someone that you've heard before in the show here, and that is Anthony Williams. And there's a whole backstory here that we go through. of course, it's not his real name, works in military intelligence. He's an analyst. He's a veteran himself. He's, you know, served overseas. He's had his own

citing experiences as well, which kind of led him down the path to look into these things, you know, and learn more about what is going on around us. And then comes across Jason Sands a couple of years ago. They work together. Okay, you have to understand this. Going into this, Anthony Williams has worked with Jason Sands. He knows who Jason Sands. He knows who Jason Sands as he knows Jason Sands. Okay, it's not like, you know, you just come across somebody in the hallway. He knows who this guy is and has worked with him for a few years.

And really gives, again, this unique perspective that I really haven't heard anywhere else as far as, you know, the Jason Sands the person and Jason Sands story. So you're going to hear all that during this episode from Anthony Williams. as he really is able to give a first-hand account of Jason Sands and what went into all of this before it became public. So it's a really special interview, and that's why I wanted to put this into two parts because really the meat of part one here is all about

who is Jason, his story, and everything that went into the entire behind-the-scenes of that and really explaining why he is a credible witness. And of course, Jason's story has made the round If you're not familiar with it, just real quick, I'll give you the quick, quick summary on it, the Cliff Notes version. Jason Sands says that he came across an alien in the desert back in 1994. We get into this in the interview as well, but he came across this alien, had a telepathic conversation with it. White, kind of like palish, bluish skin, no ears, you know, the big eyes, everything like that.

and the alien was wearing army fatigues. So he had a firsthand encounter, according to his story, with an extraterrestrial. That is the, in short, the story that Jason Sands has been putting out there in the public. And then we also get into some really interesting things in part two, which I'll keep you updated on that, on when that will come out. In that one, I just want to say this part two. What you're going to hear in part two is something that has been at my mind for a few months, because Anthony has told me about it,

and I think I have mentioned it before on the show, and the last time Anthony was on the show, he has mentioned to me about these giant black triangle craft that are flying over our secret nuclear installations in Colorado and Wyoming. These things are on radar. These things have been seen by military pilots. It's been pursued in a super huey helicopter.

I mean, this stuff is the real deal, and no one is talking about. about it. So I get into that with Anthony in part two, which again, I'll keep you updated on when that will be coming out sooner than later for sure. But in part one, and there's a lot more in part two as well, but in part one, we really kind of focus in on a really unique perspective that really only someone like Anthony Williams, who is in the trenches, so to speak, with Jason Sands, that only he can give. So this really is a one-of-a-kind interview, and I think it's an important one. So I implore you to listen through this entire thing and to spread it around because I think this would be,

it would do a lot of people well to hear what Anthony has to say here during this interview today. So we'll pick it up here as I'm introducing Anthony and then we kind of take it from there. The last thing he'll say is I apologize for the audio for whatever reason. I didn't realize until after I was all done that I sound a little garbled and there's some feedback here and there. So I apologize for that ahead of time, but hopefully you can listen through that. It's not that bad. I think I'm just a perfectionist. But hopefully you can listen through that and get all the details here of this interview.

So here is part one of my conversation with Anthony Williams. It's a doozy. Here you go. So there's a lot to get through here. But thanks coming back on, Anthony, to UAP. Yeah. No, Stephen, thanks for having me again. Yeah, this is great.

I enjoy our conversations whenever we get to have them. I guess, let me add this in there too real quick. I've had a lot of people come at me on social media. say, why are you backing this guy? Why are you so, you know, sure about Jason Sands? And, you know, are you sure you don't want to back off him? Because it seems like this guy might be making stuff up. And I'm like, you guys don't understand, like, where this, this, you know, confidence is coming from.

So tell people why I'm so confident. Okay. You know, and I think, I think furthermore, yeah. So let's let's talk about, let's talk about how we got to where we're at. So, you know, this forum that him and I were both co-members of, you know, analyzing the whole UAP phenomenon, every aspect of it, you and I have talked about quite a bit. Jason was just another member of that group. You know, these are highly qualified, highly specialized individuals. Frankly, that make me feel stupid half the time, you know, when they're really getting into the specificity of their area of

expertise and analyzing videos, analyzing reports, all these different things that are happening. Jason was part of that group along with, you know, 1,500 of my closest friends and colleagues. But about two years ago, and it might have been a little bit longer, my memory is escaping me right now, but someone in the group started a discussion that said, hey, I'm sure there's a lot of, you know, personal testimony or personal experience that has led to, you know, our own individual interest in the topic. And it would be interesting if we cataloged those, looked at those, and very quickly everyone started to populate with their own experiences, where they were, some had graphics, some had map locations, some had video of these incidents.

But probably a third of the group jumped in and started to build out this database. of, you know, not some fairy tale story out on social media, not some, you know, less than credible one-eyed witness out in the middle of anywhere. Not that those people's stories aren't true, but this is a vetted collaborative group. Hey, let's look at our own stuff. You know, what's drawn us in here? Where can we grab some commonality and really look at these things? Jason first shared his story on there that way. And of course, it was, you know, it was very fantastical, but by no means not the weirdest thing out there.

But he was very, very open to share it with the group and, you know, let it be discussed and talk about it with people and even opened up to the point of, hey, this is, this is where I'm living. This is where I'm working. I would love to sit down and collaborate with anyone if anyone wants to go over it. So it was it was very much research and analysis focused. There was no, you know, self-promotion or any sort of, you know, secondary motivation that came out from that. And along with everybody else's stories, you know, were exactly the same. So, yeah, so let me just jump in there real quick, Anthony, because that's really fascinating.

And that's something that I don't really think has been pointed out too much in this whole Jason Sand saga since he came out on the Twitter spaces. I guess a few weeks ago or last month, whatever it may be, is that this is a guy that is in a community in a forum with you and said two years ago, hey, guys, here's my story. This wasn't something like Jason Sands just came out on Twitter spaces to discuss what he saw. And people are saying, oh, this dude is just some random guy making things up. This is a guy that is verifiable in the military, a lot of different clearances, which we'll get to later, that told this story in a private forum that included yourself two years ago. So he wasn't seeking attention with this. This is, this story has been put out in your community there as for his military intelligence. Yeah, no, absolutely.

And he, you know, when it got put out, he went into great, great detail about, uh, the incident, how it followed a very public, you know, weeks after a very public mass sighting in the area in 1994. And, you know, great detail about, you know, where he was, who was with him in his vehicle, where he was going, the other vehicle that was with him. You know, and it was really put out by him and everyone else's story was put out from the standpoint of, you know, let's dig into these. you know, and anybody else have anything else like this, you know. And so, you know, Jason's experience from there on, you know, was very, very supported and validated by everyone else in the group. And when you fast forward a couple years till, you know, just a few months ago, someone else in the group had seen a placard from an upcoming documentary and his name was on it.

And they're like, hey, is this you? And that's when he openly started to talk about, yes, I'm going through the whistleblower protection. You know, here's what's going on. And the group immediately crashed on the discussion. And everyone was supportive, you know, just, just, hey, you know, there's. This is brave. You know, you're going to get attacked. You know, this is going to get ugly.

You know, whatever you need. We're here for you. You know, we've got your back. And, you know, there were, there were a couple people that, you know, were insinuating that, hey, this is going to bring unwanted light to our forum, to our community. You know, are you sure you want to do this? Make sure you're going through the right whistleblower protections, all those things. And so that's when I got real excited.

And, you know, because this was going to, he was. He was, you know, sharing the fact that, hey, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to push the conversation. I'm going to be a guy to go public. And he was not insinuating that anyone else in our group should or that, you know, anyone else in the group, you know, had an obligation to you. But he felt it on his heart that he needed to, you know, he had learned enough that, that he needed to get his story out there and that it could have a positive impact towards disclosure. So that was his motivation. And after that, I called you, if you remember. And I was stoked.

I was like, man, there's this guy's coming, you know. And we talked about it. And because he was doing the documentary, he was someone else. I didn't, you know, I didn't want to tell his story for him. And we even talked about it on a previous episode. I wanted him to tell his story. But after that, he went dark. And when I mean dark, I don't mean he went down some sort of depression rabbit hole.

He went black. He went off all comms, not responding to emails, phones, nothing, disappeared from the forum, disappeared from everything. You know, and there were a couple reasons that you and I speculated why that might be. The one we hoped for was that he was just laying low while he went through the whistleblower protections. and thank God that appears to be what it was. So when he disappeared off our forum, you know, if that documentary, I said it during one of your previous podcasts, if that documentary comes out and he's not in it,

then I'm going to go hard on the paint and tell his story because I don't know where he's at, you know. And so it was amazing to see him come out on Twitter, and there it is, you know, full story, everything out. And, you know, after losing him for about four months, or greater of him disappearing. It was great to see that come out for sure. Yeah, it's really been quite a saga.

And you're right. I do remember that call, you know, I refer back to on social media. And I've said it a couple of times during the show where, you know, I found out about this in late December of 23. And that was when said, hey, this is going on. And we held that to ourselves. You know, we kind of alluded to there was going to be a new whistleblower coming out. actually as a first-hand account of the mailing an encounter,

but then Jason came out and told the story, which is what we were waiting for. Either he would come out and tell it himself or the James Fox, which it is James Fox, the documentary, and we all know that. Yeah. That, you know, his documentary would come out with Jason and that story would be in there.

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You didn't know where he was and everything like that. But I think now that he's out, I want to point out something else too as well, Anthony. And that is you said there is a concentrated effort within the forum that you're in, that you have these experiences kind of put together from different guys in your world, right, of military intelligence and everything. Yep. And Jason was just one of them. Correct.

Yep. So what else? I know you can to obviously name any names or giving. details, but what else is going on in there? How many guys have their own personal encounters like Jason that just have decided not to come out to the public like he did? Yeah, it's not like one or two. It's in the hundreds. And I think what's also important to note that when Jason, you know, when it came public that he was going to do, you know, James Fox documentary within the forum, public within our community, you know, when that has. You know, when that has, you know,

happened, he alluded to the fact that he had been getting threats. He had received very ominous messages, phone calls, whatever, you know, threatening him not to do that, which could have gone one way or the other for him. Either that's enough motivation to shut him down or to keep going. You know, as far as other people, I'm not trying to avoid the question. As far as as as other people and other, you know, witnesses, most of them are very, are very very. You know, very similar to what's out in the public. It's just firsthand, credible, qualified individuals that are saying,

yeah, I saw this out here in this location. I recorded this. Here's what I saw. Some of them are quite, quite fantastic. And, you know, I think we could get into a whole other episode diving into some of those. And that might be fun to do.

You know, because some of, yeah, there's just, there's a lot going. on there. You know, with regards to Jason, the forum and all the other people in it, just to get on that computer, you were extremely vetted. So you have to have a top secret security clearance. You have to be right on to special compartmented information. And you are re-investigated every five years to maintain that level of classification.

And they dig into everything. your background, your family life, your personal life, your finances, anything that could be used as an ability to blackmail or coars you to divulge classified information to an adversary, all that is dove in so deep. So from the point of when Jason experienced this, when he was on active duty till now, every five years, that's 30 years. So that means he would have had at least six. relux. He signed an NDA then was polygraphed, was put under polygraph to confirm that he was

abiding by that NDA. So he played ball for a long time. And the government, to reinvestigate someone's top secret security clearance costs a lot of money. Tens of thousands of dollars is put into that. investigation and then it's only a little bit less expensive to do a reinvestigation of someone. And so Jason went through that six times. You don't have someone sign a non-disclosure agreement. You don't have them polygraphed to make sure that they're abiding by that if there's nothing there. So right away within, you know, within the form and he went into a little bit of detail with some of the other people that were there and witnesses and how their careers did not work out and speculation as to why that is. I'm not going to share any of that because I want to see what he

actually comes out within the documentary. But it's very clear that his story is being taken very seriously by certain members of our government and has been for 30 years. They've taken that serious. How many other people, I don't know if you give an exact number, but when we talk about, you know, some of the other stories out there. And I love that idea, by the way, about doing a separate episode just to talk about some of the other stories that are out there within, you know, the intelligence community. But how many others are similar to what Jason has talked about as far as a firsthand encounter with an extraterrestrial? Or is he like one of the few to have, you know, a story like that? His is by far rare.

So it is extremely detailed with coordinates. other witnesses. His is probably the largest first-hand account of engaging, you know, another being. And so it caught a lot of attention that way. Within the forum, he even had a drawing of what this person, as he referred to it as, what they looked like. and he had a sketch drawing, you know, in there. And so hopefully that comes out in the documentary as well.

But his is probably the most detailed as far as firsthand account and interaction and conversation with another entity. Yeah. Just so fascinating. And to think really put it in great perspective, too, the way you put that, Anthony in that. Number one, all the clearances, all the things you have to go through, all the hoops you have to jump through, all the money the government has to spend in getting your clearance renewed every five years. I think a lot of people don't take that part into account when it comes to Jason's history. And he is someone who has been cleared over and over and over again by the U.S. government when it comes to, you know, security clearances and

getting validated and verified in what he's doing. That's an important point to make. But also to say, you know, I think people think that Jason's on an island. So to point it out and to say he's not the only one who's talking about this stuff. No. He might be, you know, you know, kind of unique in a way as far as how detailed and how, you know, first-hand encounters experience was, but he's not the only one having experiences and talking about experiences within those groups and within that circle. So I think those two really important things that people need to keep in mind as when people say, well, why do you believe this guy? Why do you take him seriously? I think those are two pretty darn good reasons why.

Yeah, no, for sure. And, you know, in the government, so just to have a top secret SCI clearance is one thing. But to have a lifestyle polygraph is even more expensive. That is a three to six hour process. And it's kind of like, it's kind of like a mark within our community. You know, have people go around? It's kind of like, you know, have you been to Disney World? People are like, oh, have you been polyed?

And you're like, oh, God, no, I would never want to do that. You know, and other people that have to go through that, that is very, very extensive. And, you know, there's a large swath of our community that absolutely just to do their nine to five day-to-day job has to submit to routine lifestyle polygraphs. And, you know, for Jason, too, you have to go through that. One is not rare. But two, to make sure that he is abiding by the NDA that he signed 30 years ago, that lends a lot of weight to the fact that there is something there. there is something very, very true about that story that was really not wanted to get out by a lot of people. You know, and I think the other part, yeah, he's not rare.

He's not the only one. He's not just a random guy that woke up one day and said, man, I know how I'm going to get famous. And the amount of grief that we knew he was going to take that he is taking certainly would not be worth it. You've heard other people talk about that. You know, Bob Lazard talks about it, you know, man, if I had it to do all over again, I would have kept my mouth shut. You know, it's just sometimes the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Well, you know, Jason knew that, you know, this was going to be a rough process.

And there would be a lot of haters out there, you know. But for the sake of moving the disclosure discussion further, you know, he was willing to take that on. And four months ago, even within the community, everyone was like, hey, you know, God bless you, good on you, you know, good luck, whatever you need. You know, we're all here for you. So, you know, he knew he was getting into a knife fight. As far as, like, the people that are questioning your credibility by whether or not you're going to stick with this guy or think he's the real deal or think he's BS. You know, I would just point out the fact that, you know, you heard months ago that there was going to be this guy.

You had his name. You put it out there. Whether the audience chooses to believe what this guy says or not, you were spot on. You know, so it lends a lot to your credibility. And, you know, and I just feel with, I feel with Jason in general, there are just going to, there's going to be certain people that are attracted to this topic that you can never please, you know, unless the ship came down right in front of them, a guy got out and had some telepathic conversation convincing them.

some people just are not going to buy anything that's super fantastical. They have no problem, you know, signing up for the fact that there are things flying in our skies and underwater that we don't know. But, you know, to take a big leap to something, you know, that extraordinary, some people just aren't mentally willing to go there. So those are going to be the people that always have negative dissay. And I don't really, you know, I don't really have time to engage with that. You know what I mean? Yeah, because, well, and I appreciate that, by the way. I appreciate the kind words.

And it's, but you're right. I mean, there's just always going to be that contingency of people. And that's fine. You know, look, if that's their deal, then by all means, you know, if that's your thing. But it's true. You're never going to be able to peace everybody or make everybody believe you. It's just sometimes you're just going to have to try to take things from where you're standing and try to put it all into perspective, which is what I've been trying to do, you know,

what comes to Jason's story specifically for the past few months, but especially now, and that you and I can kind of talk about it openly and freely and something that's, you know, you knew about five months ago and told me about shortly after. So it's fascinating stuff. So thanks again for coming on and talk about it. What, where would you put yourself, Anthony, in this situation with Jason Sans? If you weren't essentially his coworker, right? If you weren't there in that seat and you knew all about this, really for the past

a couple of years almost when you go back to when Jason started talking about it just within side of the forum inside of the community where would you put yourself in the conversation would you look at this and say man who is this guy he's just some guy making up a story or would you be looking at this and saying oh this is this guy might be on to something he might be you know kind of the real deal yeah I you know his story for me goes into a category and I'm trying to look at it like if I were just a guy following, you know, UFO Twitter, this podcast, several other podcasts, if I'm just a guy that's observing, you know, I find some of it captivating, others I'm having trouble with. This goes into a fantastical category, kind of like D.C. Long story, right?

Like, it's a, and it's, it's what you and I have talked about off, you know, off record as the, you know, the unfortunate burden for these people. Like I believe that there are so many folks that have had so many experiences that the only evidence they can offer are their words. And it's in the military intelligence community, we call it single source reporting. You know, if someone comes up and says, hey, there's a bomb inside that building.

And it's only one person. They may have a grievance against who owns that building. But if five people come up to you, that's multiple source reporting. And now we're going to take that a lot more credit. these all fall into the category of single source reporting and and it's it's one of those you either take them at their word or you don't and and so you know I can completely understand why there is a whole level of skepticism around the story I get that skepticism is also healthy right it it's

sharp it sharpens our sword you know as knowledge brokers and people that are trying to share information when you get that skeptic asking you well wait a minute what about x y and z sometimes that's just enough to jog your memory and say oh yeah well i i forgot about that part actually here's where this was here's where that was so so healthy skepticism is is absolutely critical to any sort of functional learning and and an analysis negativity has no place and you know and just straight up negativity I would not be on the side of negativity. I'd like to think I'm generally a very positive individual. I would probably have healthy skepticism.

I would hear this story. It would strike me a single source reporting. There's nothing to corroborate it, but there's nothing to disprove it either. So you've got a guy that is saying this. He's going through whistleblower protection. That's not just something anyone can do, right? If I make up a story and I'm like, you know, I'm going to go through whistleblower protections, even being inside the community, if I start presenting that to either one of the inspectors general or to any sort of, you know, open door policy that we have in the Department of Defense and I'm out there, they're going to look at me and say, dude, go home.

Like, you need a break. So the fact that his story was listened to and people said, okay, you need to go through this. protection. It's also a level of validation for me that there is something more to the story. People are people that would know, believe that it's worth him going through these protections, that there could be risk to his livelihood, his family's livelihood, his retirement, his paycheck, his career. There's enough there to where they moved him through whistleblower protections. So me, I would probably have a healthy level of skepticism. I would want to do my own homework.

I would really listen. I would find out what else can be corroborated by that. But again, negativity. I don't think there's any place for that in a healthy discussion. Hey, guys. So before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us. And it's scary.

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UAP. Yeah, and I'm with you. It's really well said and a really good perspective, too, because it's, you know, what do you look for on the inside, right? You're on the inside. You know, what type of, you know, minutia, the fine details of some of these things and how the processes work. So it's really good to point out, okay, what does he have to go through?

Just to get to this point, just to be able to come out in James Fox documentary or talk on Twitter spaces about these things, it's not like, you know, there's some guy that can just come out and say this. Now, let me kind of separate that. Some guy could come out and say this. But Jason Sands isn't just some guy. And that part has been verified by multiple sources. He's provided documentation on Twitter.

Obviously, you're verifying it. You're someone who has worked with them and is in the forum with him and, you know, in the intelligence community. So he's had multiple avenues of verification and validation as to who he is in his background and what he's done the military, what he's done, of course, top secret clearances. So he isn't just some guy. He is that guy who's coming out and saying these things.

And I think the important part that people kind of need to, I guess, you know, put in front of them when it comes to, you sure, have the healthy skepticism, ask the questions. Absolutely. You never want to take anything at face value. But when you look at where the situation is, I think it's safe to say that Jason is coming from a place of sincerity with his story. Am I wrong in saying that? No, I 100% agree with all of that. Now, when you dive into his story, right, is there some other explanation to what this individual was?

You know, was it an extraterrestrial from another planet? Is it another species? You know, whatever the truth is about that incident, in my mind, just knowing how he shared his story. how it got looked at, how it's been reviewed. For sure, his story is real. What it actually was, what that craft was, where it was from. What was it doing out in the Nellas range? What, you know, all these different things, there's a lot more to know and there's a lot more to learn from this incident.

But to just say that I don't believe the incident happened, that, you know, at least from, from, from where I sit, there's, there's no merit in that. The incident, you know, for surely, for surely happened, you know, in his mind. And I think, I think there's, I think there's a possibility that there are some other people that were with him that may come out and corroborate his story. I hope they do. Because now that goes from that single source report to multiple people saying, yes, this happened. I saw the same thing. Yes, that conversation took place. It just helps with, you know, the burden of proof when it's more than a single source report. Yeah, I'm actually glad you brought that up because I want to kind of travel back in time 30 years to that day at the Nellis Range in 1994 where Jason says this, you know, event took place.

There were two jeeps, right? Jason was in one of them and one of them and one of the guys in his and then there was a Jeep behind them. Yeah, yeah, there were two vehicles. and in his they were full. And in the vehicle behind him, they were full. And they were traveling through the Nellis Range up to an area where they were going to work. They were going to be operating out of. Yep.

So with that, and another part too in there is that they were told beforehand, hey, if you come across anybody, don't interact with them. Don't stop. So it's almost like his commanding officer, his commanding officer knew ahead of time. they're going to go by, you know, this being that's out there with this craft. How do we get away from that? So they were warned beforehand, but he stopped anyway. So it was like there was knowledge of this even before they got to this area.

Yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. So, you know, they were told, hey, you're going to travel through this area. This is less than two weeks after a mass siting in the area. And so they were made aware. that they may come across a person. You know, they were told a person. And if they do, they are not to stop.

They're not to engage with this individual. And they're just, you know, supposed to keep going. You know, unlike any good soldier, they immediately disobeyed that. And, you know, but when you hear his story, it appeared as though someone was stranded wearing, you know, U.S. fatigues with no patches and no markings, but wearing. what looked like our uniform. So from that standpoint, a person in civilian clothes roaming through the area, yeah, maybe they would have avoided that guy.

But, you know, if I would be driving through wide open spans of desert and I saw what looked to be a stranded service member, I would also stop. And it wasn't until Jason approached the individual that he realized this is not what I thought it was. You know, I think most rational people going through the middle of, you know, the Nevada desert, they would also stop if they saw what appeared to be someone stranded out in the middle of nowhere, you know, especially another service member in a uniform. And that's really an interesting point. I think some people are missing that point too when it

comes to his description of this being, whatever it was or whoever it was, they're wearing a U.S. military uniform. Yes. So are we talking about cooperation with, you know, whoever this was? if it's another race of beings, if it's an alien, are we talking about cooperations with, you know, extraterrestrials or was this a cover? Was this, you know, the U.S. military saying, here, put this on, try to blend in. What would be your read on that? Yeah, you know, it opens a thousand more questions, right? Everything you just said was, is this entity, someone that has been operating in the area there for a long time? Is it someone that, you know, is, you know, is in collaboration with?

the U.S. government? Is it someone, you know, there's a, there's a thousand questions. And, and I don't know that I have, you know, a feeling on it one way or the other. You know, it definitely, it definitely appeared as though this individual was trying to repair the craft and was asking for, you know, tools to do that that they did not have with them. You know, wasn't asking for a ride, wasn't asking for, you know, food or water or any of that. So, you know, is it in collaboration with the government? It certainly was happening with the government's knowledge. You know, the warning that they were given not to stop, not to engage, not to talk.

You know, and then afterwards, after the incident, you know, the slamming of non-disclosure agreements, you know, all these, all these things, you know, if we told you not to stop and talk to anybody. Yeah, but you did that. yes, but we thought he was stranded. Like, you know, it's interesting that they were wearing a U.S. military uniform. It's interesting that, you know, that, that the entity felt comfortable engaging, you know, with them, waving them down and talking. So it just leads, in my mind, it leads to just a thousand more questions. And that is the end of part one. So like I said, a lot of really unique.

perspective there. So thankful to Anthony for coming on here and giving that because you're not hearing that anywhere else. I mean, there aren't many guys kind of stepping to the plate for Jason Sands. And that's why I felt this was important because unfortunately the guy is really on an island. And that's why, you know, I admire what he's doing so much. Whether or not you believe him is completely up to you. Maybe your opinion has changed one way or the other after hearing that interview today. But the fact is, this guy is putting himself out there. and has gotten so much flack for it, so much scrutiny, and people calling him, you know, saying just terrible things about him.

So that's why I felt it was important today, really to get as close to Jason as we can without actually talking to Jason. And that is Anthony Williams himself, someone that has, you know, knows Jason Sands on a professional level and has worked with him and that can give that unique kind of insight into the whole background. So appreciate Anthony very much for, doing that and hopefully Jason appreciates it as well because like I said there's not a lot of guys kind of stepping up for him. So really good stuff to be able to put that out there today.

One thing that really struck me in that interview was when I asked Anthony about, you know, how many other guys are there? Because I think it was really cool to hear that again, and I really wanted to highlight that Jason is not alone. It's not like he's the only guy in the military to have a sighting. Of course, Ryan Graves has talked about this many times. He went on to Congress and David Grush. I mean, hello. So, Jason is just one of many. And you heard Anthony say that in the forum that they have where they keep track of who's seen what and, you know, what they've seen.

You heard Anthony say, it's in the hundreds. I mean, this isn't just like one or two guys that, you know, talk at a water cooler and say, man, you won't believe what I saw last night. No, there's hundreds of military members within the intelligence community who have come together in a private manner to say and tell each other what they've seen during their careers. And it just goes to show you there's so much out there. And hopefully, hopefully a handful of those guys can find the right time to do what Jason is doing, to do what others have done like David Grush and come out when they feel the time is right

for them. You know, no one can force them. Everybody has different circumstances and situations, whether it's, you know, a family situations or you're afraid you're going to, you know, lose a pension or retirement. If you talk about these things, there's a lot that goes into this. So it's a very risky business to do what guys like Jason Sands and David Grush have done and are doing. It's not easy, as you can see, because of all the scrutiny that they get. So hopefully, out of those hundreds that Anthony has talked about, we hear more in the future

because, man, there's a lot to be discovered and a lot of questions still still. to get answers to. But that will do it for part one here today. A lot to kind of, you know, take in there, which is why I wanted to split this up. And like I said, in part two coming out very soon, I'll keep you updated on that. We get into a few more things that are eye-opening, including, like I said, those giant black triangles flying over the secret nuke installations. What the heck is going on there? And no one is talking about it. It's just unbelievable. This stuff is happening. So we get into that and much more in part two of this conversation. myself and Anthony Williams.

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Always loved doing this show with Karen. Well, she's back doing her podcast. So if you're interested, it's true crime. It's called Full Rigger. It's a Florida true crime podcast. And it always gets great reviews. So if you're interested in true crime, then definitely check out Karen Curtis on Full Rigger because she is back on that show.

It's her show and she's back doing it after over a year, actually, a hiatus there. But she has picked that back up and I'm really happy to say that. So congratulations to Karen Curtis for picking back up the mantle of Full Rigger. So if you're interested in the subject, definitely check out Full Rigger wherever you get your podcasts. But there is so much more coming up here on UAP in the coming days. Like I said, Part 2 with Anthony Williams. my interview with Ashton Forbes. That's new. That's going to be coming out.

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