UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 6-1-23 NASA's Alien Briefing & Paige Fox Interview

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

In this UAP Weekly update, Stephen Diener breaks down the historic UAP hearing from NASA and discusses what should be the biggest takeaways. And could we see the UAP topic head to court? Paige Fox joins the show to talk about how she is using her prowess as an attorney to take this conversation to uncharted territories. Wait until you hear the dream team she is assembling as well...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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that it was finally able to start this new, you know, version, not a new version, but I guess spin-off, new iteration of the normal UAP that you're used to hearing, which of course is not going anywhere. I mean, the part two episode of Australian sightings coming out next week, working on that as we speak. But I'm so happy to have this one right now as well, because with everything happening, and there's something that happens every day.

And with the NASA hearing, we just had our first, ever hearing, public hearing from NASA and their UAP investigative committee. And so, I mean, you talk about timing to be able to have that going on and just starting this new version of UAP with UAP Weekly. I mean, I just, I love it. So I'm happy this all worked out the timing of it all because we're going to review what we heard yesterday from NASA and Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, who was a special guest there, kind of going back and forth

this discourse between Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, of course, the head of Arrow, you know, the government arm of, I should say maybe the DOD arm of the UAP investigative department. And then you have NASA's committee looking

into UAP. So they kind of got together yesterday talking about what each have found and answering questions that they were asking Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. So a few things to review from there because there because there were some things that definitely caught my attention. And then also, and there's, man, this show is just chock full of goodies today.

We're also going to get to an interview that I had teased last week on UAP when I said that it was going to be talking to an attorney. And not in trouble or anything. So it's nothing like that. But there's an attorney out of Chicago named Page Fox. And she approached me. She's a listener of the show. She's a fan of UAP

And she approached me through the Twitter account actually Like a lot of you have at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter And she said, hey, I have this idea And you're going to find out what that idea is It's truly fascinating I think I said this last week And I'll say it again, I think it's a game changer It really has the possibility to get a lot of people's attention

So we're going to talk to page Fox in just a little bit as well But before we get into that, here on UAP Weekly, we got to cover, like I said, this hearing that took place yesterday. The first time ever NASA holds the public hearing on there what amounted to a nine-month study looking into the UAP phenomenon. And of course, they brought in Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. So they covered a lot of ground. They asked him a lot of questions. It lasted about, oh, a half an hour or so, just the Q&A session when it came to the actual NASA committee. And Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick himself from, you know, that.

head of arrow there. And one of the things that they talked about was, well, actually they talked about a lot of things, but a couple of things that I'm going to get to. Dr. Kirkpatrick talked about sensors and they brought a lot up about the Molseul orb. So basically a lot of the things that I spoke about with you on episode 68 of UAP when I covered the Molseul orb and I gave you the information that I got from my own military source. Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick really kind of confirmed all that in a way. So I'm going to get to that. But before I get to his statements, he's talking about, you know, those sensors, the number of

cases that they're looking into. There were some eye-opening things. But I want to play you this first. This is a clip from the chair, the head guy, the head honcho, the big cheese. This guy is the chair of NASA's UAP independent study team. His name is David Spurgel or Spurgel, not sure, but I'll go with Spurgel. And this is what he had to say about NASA's approach and, I guess, how they're looking at everything going on around them as well. We haven't found life beyond Earth yet, right? I mean, that's be clear about this.

We haven't found it yet. But we're looking and we're looking for it in lots of different ways. You know, is NASA hiding anything about this? No. Well, I have my doubts about his comments. there, but you can make up your own mind. But it was interesting to hear that. Again, to have this all talked about in the open,

I know I've said that a million times, but it still, it doesn't cease to amaze me because I've grown up in the age of secrecy, in the age of you can't talk about this if you talk about all this year, a crazy person. And now we come off of the hearing yesterday, and I say yesterday, this is June 1st as I'm recording this. And as we put it out,

the premiere of this episode on Thursday, June 1st, So this hearing took place on Wednesday, May 31st. So if you're not listening to this on June 1st, I keep saying yesterday, it happened on May 31st, okay? If in case you're listening to this outside of June 1st. So when this, to see this hearing take place and to hear it happening where you have this committee from NASA and the head of the, you know, Arrow Division from the government, from the Pentagon, the DOD, whatever you want to say, talking about the stuff in the open is still very foreign to me. It's still very strange to see all that. So it's a good thing.

It's a good step. But in the same time, it's like, man, this is really happening. So one of the things that now after the committee chief there, the head honcho there, David Spurgel, spoke from NASA. They were talking to Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick about, you know, what's going on? What have you found? Now, first of all, one of the things I want to. to mention here before I get into this sound, this is where Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick is talking about the centers because they asked him about, well, you know, what type of sensors are we using?

What are we able to capture? And he started to get into the Mosul Orb. And if you remember, or if you didn't hear episode 68 where I covered this, I was talking about the Molsewil Orb, this metallic sphere that was seen flying over Iraq a year or two ago from this drone that was flying over Iraq, U.S. military drone, and it, you know, captured this thing on camera going very fast and they don't know what it was, right? No visible means of propulsion. It's just this metallic orb flying over the deserts of Iraq. And one of the big things that I had told you in that episode from my sources that told me that they absolutely do have all the sensors to follow this thing and that they absolutely do know where it went. Now, that's not what

Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick has said, but that's what I told you about what I was told regarding that situation. So now, this is why I found this comment very interesting here from Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, when he spoke about, when he answered the question, what type of sensors do you have? So we aren't just relying on the DOD and I see sensors that exist today because frankly, they don't point to where we want them to point, right? I mean, I'll be frank with everyone. We can point the largest collection apparatus in the entire globe at any point we want. You just have to tell me where I want to point it. Hello.

Does that sound familiar? So that kind of confirms what I was told and what I told you, what I was able to tell you on, and this isn't like an I told you so moment. I'm not doing that at all. But I found it so very fascinating to hear him basically confirm in his own way what I was. being told already, and what I spoke about on episode 68, saying that, of course, they have all these sensors everywhere and they can see whatever they want to see. So, I mean, he said it right there. But that's why I found it silly when they're saying, well, we don't know, you know,

where this orb went and this and that. They have all the footage. We've only seen a snippet of the most of the old orb. But when they say they don't know what it is, you know, you can believe what you want on that, because they keep saying they don't know what it is. And a these other anomalies. But one of the things that I was also surprised to see was Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick put up this chart. And on the chart, he had all these different slides he was showing yesterday during this hearing. And on this chart, he showed about the reporting trends that they see. So, you know, a couple of things not surprised.

They're talking about the shape of the craft that people see, you know, these metallic orbs, of course, the classic saucer shapes and things like that. But one of the things that was shocked to see them actually put out there was speeds that are very slow all the way up to Mach 2. And they actually said that. So to me, that was actually a little bit of disclosure because I hadn't seen them disclose this speed of Mach 2 that, you know, you hear from a lot of people that I've heard from sources myself.

So that was interesting to see. but the thing that really caught my eye that was on this reporting trends chart was the color of the UAP that people are seeing. Now they talked about white and silver, but they also actually mentioned translucent. And I was honestly shocked to see that they admitted about the translucent craft that are being reported from pilots. Again, something I was told from my sources

that I thought, well, there's no way that's going to come out, but they actually did put that out yesterday during this hearing on this chart that Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick was showing of these reporting trends. They actually put on there, yeah, they're seeing these translucent craft. So with all that said, it was pretty intriguing, even though overall they kind of ended this hearing by saying, well, something's out there. We just don't know what it is.

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and so we ended up with like 100 some odd new cases. But the numbers, I would say that we see are possibly really anomalous, so maybe 2 to 5-ish percent. So those are the ones that cannot explain, right? Anomalous. They're talking about the ones that, you know, they still put in that unexplained category, the ones that like the Mosul Orb, all right, and a lot of other ones that we don't really hear about. But that's a pretty good number.

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So there were some good tidbits here that came out of this hearing. And there's a couple more that I'm going to play for you at the end of the show from Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick. But those couple of things really did kind of catch my attention. Not that they, you know, certainly came out with any full disclosure. Again, their overall conclusion yesterday was we're still investigating these things. We don't know what they are. But we need to find out. That was their conclusion.

And they're talking about this in the open. which again still amazes me growing up in the time that I grew up in when you never heard about these things in the open. But like I said, I am going to play a couple more things from that hearing at the end of the show that connects to what we're about to talk about next. Because I want to bring in Paige Fox. Again, Paige as an attorney out of Chicago and really excited to talk to her here about this because what she approached me about to talk about something that I've never seen before. It was something that she approached me and said, hey, have you ever thought about looking at it from this aspect? Here is my mission.

Here's what I'm doing. And it's looking at the UAP discussion from the legal side of things. And I think that's fascinating. You know, we're just talking about all the NASA briefing yesterday and what they had to say now to kind of look at this from the legal aspect to bring on page to kind of look at it from this angle that I've never considered. And it's really fascinating because she's putting together quite the team. So, Paige, thank you for joining UAP Weekly.

Thanks for coming on here with me today. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Yeah. So first off, I want you, if you're okay with it, to tell everybody kind of your background first. Almost like, you know, your legal resume. How did you first get into the legal side of things? And how did that evolve into now looking into the UAP phenomenon?

Yeah. So it's actually a pretty quick story. But I'll start back. So I graduated from U of I in 2012, went to law school in Chicago. Chicago Kent graduated in 2015 and have been practicing since 2015. I was doing estate planning and elder law in a small firm outside of Chicago, but practicing in the Chicagoland area. And I, as of last year, had moved to a bigger firm downtown.

I am really involved in the Chicago Bar Association and National Academy of Elder Law attorneys. And so in that area, I was doing a lot of CLEs, which is continued legal education. I was organizing them for the different organizations I was a part of. And it just is a good way to essentially introduce new legal knowledge or more intense or advanced legal knowledge in a certain field. And then October 22 came around and Netflix had come out with the new Unsolved Mysteries. And there was one about something in the sky. And I watched that episode and it was just, it was almost, I mean, it was really eye-opening to me because just the, the absurd number of people who witnessed this event. The, you know, it's on air traffic control.

There's, there's 911 calls. There's all of this evidence. And in my mind, it's evidence. You know, one of the big, I guess I listened to is the prosecutors. And it strictly was always talking about evidence. And so that's really what got me interested to be. with and I really went down a major rabbit hole. I mean, I've listened to every single podcast about this stuff that I could find, including yours and I love yours. And as of March of

23, I was, it was finding, I was finding it really hard to do what I was doing for the last six years and still feel like I was helping. And so again, like I said, it was, I was getting, I was finding it harder and harder to get my billable hours for stuff that to me didn't seem to matter anymore. And I wanted to focus more of my time on this stuff. And then I started talking about it a little bit more and I started posting it on my LinkedIn, for example. And I felt like, I don't know if this is a really good idea in terms of I work for a firm. Like they have a reputation to uphold. I should probably be careful with that. But then at the same time, I realized this stuff matters. People need to hear about it because again, the more I was seeing, the more I was learning, it's all just right

in front of our face. And so ultimately ended up quitting my job at the firm. Yeah. So there's been a lot of, like, I just recently got back from staying out of my families for a week just to convince them to show them like, hey, I'm still page. I'm still normal. Right. I haven't lost my marvel essentially. And then it kind of all clicked within the last few months since I wasn't working as much. And like I had more time to focus on all of this, like just really how important it is, but also just like how possible it would be to get the word out. And so my goal from there was I decided, I'm going to do a CLE. Like I'm going to create a continued legal education seminar or presentation on literally aliens.

Like as bizarre as that sounds. And that's the amazing thing. I mean, to hear that progression from where you started, you know, what your original goals were, your original intense as an attorney. and then to kind of have that natural progression where you start to, like you said, fall down the rabbit hole a little bit when it came to the idea, the discussion. And then you kind of start to realize, wait a minute, there might be something to this. And that's why I found fascinating when I spoke to you at first, kind of, you know, off air.

We had a couple of discussions and things like that. And I just find it so fascinating where you're able to take that legal perspective and flip it to something like this. because when I, as you said, I'm not like trying to pat myself on the back here, but you said, you know, you've listened to the podcast before. So you know some of the, in the way I present some of these things, it's more of evidence based. I mean, I kind of do that myself, where it's, here's what people are saying. You make your mind up of, you know, whether or not you agree about the story, but, but here's what they're saying. And I think it's, that's the fascinating part where you have essentially evidence, right? And so.

There's a lot. Now, whether or not, you know, a listener would agree with it or a jury would agree with it. It's a different story, but you can present that evidence. And so I found that fascinating that basically that's what you're going to do. And now you've kind of started a team, right? I mean, this is like this is really progressing. It's progressed very fast. I mean, like you said, you just kind of made the jump here a couple months ago back in March,

two or three months ago. So now you've actually progressed to where you have a team. where you're going to be attacking this from a legal, I guess, aspect. Yeah, yeah. So I sent a couple emails out to people. I sent one to Danny Sheehan, attorney Van Hsien and also Dr. Greer, Dr. Stephen Greer. Those are a couple big names. If I can just jump in real quick because Danny Sheehan is somebody, if you're not familiar,

he represents, I think he still does, Lou Elizando, who I've spoken about. If you're into this type of discussion, you know, who Lou Elizando is. You might have different opinions on Lou Elizano and what he says, but you know who he is either way. And Danny Sheehan is a famous lawyer. He's been a pretty incredible career, a prestigious lawyer. And he actually defended or, you know, yeah, yeah, defend it. I guess, you know, his clients were whistleblowers as well, you know, government whistleblowers, which I actually mentioned in the previous episode of UAP. So it's kind of fascinating that you've, you've actually connected with him because he's pretty much like at the top of the discussion right now

when it comes to all this stuff and Dr. Greer who Dr. Stephen Greer is like top notch when it comes to talking about these things and the disclosure project. So you kind of dove right in, didn't you? You didn't waste any time. You went right in and just said, all right, let me, let me assemble a dream team here. Yeah. No, yeah. And I mean, I reached out and I truly had zero idea. if I would hear back from anybody. But I did hear back from both of them relatively quickly and was able to talk with Danny for a while. He's absolutely wonderful.

He's got a lot of projects going on. And then Dr. Greer as well reached out. And yeah, we are now working on getting a legal team together, essentially. I'm working with an attorney by the name of Derek Garcia out of New Mexico, too. It's the two of us right now, but we are in the process of bringing on people onto our team. And there's, I had actually sent you the video. So Dr. Greer and Derek did a YouTube video on a little bit more about what we're going to be going through. Yeah.

And what our plan is, essentially, at least right now. But yeah. Yeah. So, and I mean, I reached out to people. I think it was either late, or late April or early earlier this month. because it's still May. It was early May or something. So, yeah, it all is moving very quickly.

Yeah, for sure. And that's what I have kind of found interesting, how quickly the wheels are in motion now with this. Because what I'm wondering is, when you talk about putting this team together, your partner Derek out in New Mexico, have you found behind the scenes, different attorneys that you've come across,

whether it was conventions or people you went to school with, you know, people you meet along the way, do you find that by, Behind the scenes, they're really interested in having the discussion, but that when they get in front of the cameras, so to speak, they kind of shy away and they say, may not be the right time for me to talk about this. Yeah, I would say it's like 50-50. To be honest, when, I mean, they did the YouTube video and that got released. There were so many views so quickly.

It was like, oh, this is about, you know, this is going to be pretty overwhelming. And we have gotten a lot of responses. And they're all, I mean, so what I've noticed is a lot of it, well, people that I've talked with are potentially either have not practicing fully or have like retired. But again, I think that's probably more related to just the time that you can, you can really commit to this stuff because when you're, when you have a 19-hour or 1900 billable hour requirement a year you know you're just barely getting through to make that billable hour you don't have much time to study aliens right right but i've been openly discussing it with i mean i'm

i'm my lincoln um with all of my friends from law school and there are very few who are just willing to have like you know just full-blown conversations but everybody that i've talked to has been like yeah. I mean, there's there's definitely something there and there's interest. And I think that the more that we reach out to people, the more that people hear about this stuff, you know, via your podcast, via TikToks, LinkedIn, anything like that, as long as it's on a professional level, you know, like my biggest thing is making sure that this is talked about in terms of it's a professional thing. You know, it's not, it doesn't make you quote crazy. Right. It's, it's happening. I mean, NASA's talking about it. The government's talking about it. You know, it's, there's the disclosure

project conference in a couple weeks. Like, it's all being talked about and it's all out there. So it's just a matter of getting it all organized so that people can see it without having to spend hours and hours and hours and hours looking into it. And it's actually exactly the point I wanted to hit on. Because when you say, you know, it's all out there now. And so I'm wondering, because of the recent climate and how open people are to it now that, you know, they're open to having that discussion. NASA has a briefing on it. They have, you know, public hearings with the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Could you or maybe the better question is, would you have done what you're doing five years ago? I mean, not even 10 years ago, maybe five years ago. Is this something that you would have been doing? To be honest, I definitely, I mean, I would have considered. it, but it never even crossed my mind. Like I have, at this point, I think it had more to do with the confidence I have in myself and my ability and the, like, respect that I have in a legal community, I think that is the main reason why I would do it now versus back then.

Because I think it was still, all that evidence was still all there. And I think it was probably talked about, you know, I just wasn't paying attention as much. But I just, I think the reason that I wouldn't have approached it or wouldn't have been able to is between the amount of just the stigma of it and also like the time management aspect of it, which is the big thing I think with attorneys in general. Right. Sure. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand. Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy to run email and

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Hawaii starts here. I think you kind of hit the nail on the head when you use the word stigma. I mean, that's something just from my own personal perspective, why I was always hesitant to talk about these things. You know, I had to kind of be pushed by friends to say, hey, you know, you've always been interested in this stuff. I mean, like you, it's something that you find you're passionate about and you know stuff is going on and you want to get the word out there. And it just kind of takes off from there.

And it kind of, you know, takes a life of of its own, so to speak. And I think I experienced that with the podcast. I mean, in my own full disclosure, I never imagined it would grow to where it is right now. So I think you and everybody else has been listening. kind of taken to it. And I'm sure the same for you. You probably didn't imagine that your own mission to take this to a legal recourse would grow the way it is. Where you're having conversations with a Danny Sheehan with, you know, Dr. Stephen Greer, where now you're putting together a team to take this to legal matters. So is that, is that the end goal, I guess, page? Is that what you

have in mind is to actually sit in a court of law in a jury trial to present evidence to prove that these things have happened and are happening? Yeah. I mean, yeah, that is definitely one of the goals. How quickly we move on this stuff. I don't know what routes we go. I can't say for sure. But that is definitely one of the goals.

One of my other primary goals is just to make this something that's talked about as everything else is. Because it is. It should be discussed normally. It should be something that people, you know, like I've started, and I have no idea, but I've deemed it like space law. Like that's what I'm referring to as. That works. But really, I mean, it touches on every sort of law and it impacts us in every single legal way imaginable.

And it just, it needs to be discussed. And it needs to be discussed in a way that you're not getting side-eyed. You know, you're not getting looked at. I'm not getting a text message for my cousin that's saying, I believe you on this. stuff page, but you really need to just chill out before people like start, you know, start looking at you funny. And I was like, they already do. Right. That's fine. That's not the point. I mean, the point is that to talk about it so much so that they can't side I mean, you know, that they can't say, well, this isn't happening because when you have 300 eyewitnesses

for any, like any case in what world is that going to be considered that that's not enough evidence? It's not. That's not a thing. except for in the world of aliens. Because aliens. Yeah. No, you're 100% correct. And I think even just from the,

you know, defense aspect as well, when you're talking about Department of Defense type things and the conversations and the discussions that I've had in that world, you know,

I've been told, hey, look, there's a lot of stuff that's out there that isn't talked about in the disclosure hearings. That is kept on these,

you know, private servers, so to speak, without getting too, too far into the specifics of some of the stuff that I've been told. But, you know, these sightings, these are things that are caught on radar and that are being investigated I mean, as we speak,

by Department of Defense officials. So that's the other aspect. And now that's where you kind of get like, you know, Lou Elizando looks at that part a little bit more when it comes to what does this mean to national security. So I think when you talk about the discussion when it comes to not having that side eye, people don't realize anymore. They're still kind of stuck in the 1990s when you're like, oh, X-Files is kind of, you know, you're just watching X-Files that, you know, on Tuesday nights or whatever.

This is now something that's being discussed on the national defense stage where they are having those conversations and saying, hey, we, these aren't ours. it's not China, it's not Russia, it's not North Korea or Iran, so we don't know who they belong to. And that's a discussion that's happening on the American defense, on Italian defense, on Israeli defense. These are things that are happening from Departments of Defense around the globe, let alone America. So I think people need to start gaining traction on that idea that it's not just like, you know, these weirdos who talk about aliens. no, these discussions are happening at high levels because they don't know what they are. And that's why we talk about it. They've been happening for years and years and years.

And it's just, you know, it goes, it's almost like it goes through phases because I've read a lot or I've listened to a lot lately on like crop circles and stuff. Which, by the way, your podcast was specifically the one that brought my attention to that whole thing. Because again, when I think crop circles, I think maybe I talked about it when I was younger and then my parents laughed at it or something and it was, you know, it never really crossed my mind again. But crop circles is another thing that it's been talked about for years. And back, you know, 20, 30 years ago, it wasn't that quiet. It wasn't discussed as if there was no way it was real. It was openly discussed and it was like, okay, what's going on here? We're trying to figure it out.

but the mathematical evidence, like there's just so much evidence to every aspect of this. It's mind-blowing. And it's been going on. It's been discussed for years. It's just for whatever reason, now again, we are in a time period where it's not, it's all stigmatized. Right. Right. And we need to start with me away from that.

So, and I think what you're doing with the team that you're putting together is really going to help that because I will say this as we wrap up your page. And if, again, Paige Foxx. joining UAP Weekly here, Stephen Deiner, talking about looking at the UAP discussion from the legal side of things. Page is an attorney in Chicago and she's taken on this mission that really intrigues me because I've never seen it done before, taking on the mission of having the UAP discussion from the legal sense of things and trying to prove some of the stories that maybe I've even talked about

on the UIP podcast trying to prove those types of stories as factually true in a court of law. I will say this. When it comes to what you're doing page, I really admire it. And I hope that, because it takes a leap of faith, what you're doing. And I hope that it continues because if it does, and this is just my own prediction, okay, I see this being an international thing that's picked up. Like I could see your story, what we're talking about right here right now on UAP Weekly, becoming an international story because if someone can take Danny Sheehan and Dr. Stephen Greer and a team of attorneys

and bring the UAP discussion to a court of law, that's going to make headlines. So I really hope that you can continue to progress here and kind of get your ultimate goal, not only to have this discussion more often out in the open without that stigma, but to be able to say, hey, you know what? you may not believe this stuff, but here's the evidence,

and we're going to present it to a jury, and you can decide for yourself. I think it's amazing. Exactly. And that's really, and the thing is, like, I am just a very,

like, normal person who is just, like, gotten interested in this and then picked it up and then really started looking into it. And that's all it takes. It takes just the time, or at least seeing the evidence.

And I think that, yeah, I mean, I would love for, you know, if anybody wants, like, present on this stuff to people in their state and everything else.

Because, yeah, the goal with working with Derek is absolutely, we are getting a team together to bring this to a court of law, you know, like that is the goal. But essentially, if there's people or attorneys or paralegals or anybody in the legal field or really anybody at all that wants to help with this stuff, I mean, there are ways to do it. And it's just, it's about getting it out there. and, you know, laying out the evidence, but then also having people decide for themselves or telling people where to look to find more evidence,

you know, if they don't want to hear it from you, because it's all there. It's all, it's all out there. We just, it's a way of getting it organized. Exactly. So if there's anybody that wants to help, how can they reach you? Would you just suggest,

I'm not looking for you to give out any of your personal contact information, but maybe they can find you on LinkedIn or on social media if they want to reach out and say, hey, you know what, I can help with this effort. Yeah, for sure. So in terms of the efforts that I'm working on with Derek Garcia and Dr. Stephen Greer, we have an email specifically for that. It's disclosure.legal at gmail.com.

And there's a form that I sent you that they can fill out. We're collecting information basically where you're able to practice, you know, how long you've been practicing the different jurisdictions and what your interest is, really. So there's a form out there that you can do. I'm on LinkedIn, TikTok, Instagram under page Fox, page on Fox. You can find me there. And if anybody is interested in, you know, working on like the CLE or giving presentations

or figuring out ways to write documents or write legal mellows on this stuff, they're happy, they're more than welcome to reach out to Derek or I also because we definitely have, we don't want to push anybody out. There's plenty of work that needs to be done. take any of the help you get at this point. Yeah, and I can go on to our UAP Twitter at UA Podcast 850. And I can even, if you like, I mean, I just thought of this on top of my head so you can say no if you don't like the idea that I can even tweet out the form that you gave me.

If anybody, you know, in the field of law is interested, they can just kind of go to that link on the UAP Twitter as well. And they can follow, you know, the directions from there. So I think, you know, again, Paige, I think it's great. I'd love if we can to keep up with each other. I'd love to have you back on. As you progress, I'd love to talk to Derek, to Dr. Greer, to Danny Sheehan. If any of them are available or willing,

and I'd love to have them all on UAP weekly. So I think this is something that we'll definitely keep up with. Yeah, for sure. And they're all, I mean, they're all wonderful people. They all have been great to work with. And so I'm really excited. And everybody that submitted their information in terms of attorneys so far, really excited to work with them too.

Awesome. Well, we're definitely going to keep up with the page and i again i appreciate you page fox joining uap weekly here today and i guess uh maybe you'll see aliens on court tv soon i don't know i'll see i'll see how it's going to be amazing thank you very much page again appreciate all your work you're doing here thank you same to you all right page fox she was great um we'll definitely talk to her again and some of her team members as well i mean her is talk about there uh possibly heavy on danny sheehan dr stephen dr stephen greeer sometime future here on UAP weekly. So really excited about the whole prospect about that whole project.

And I will definitely keep you guys updated on what is happening with all that because it really could have turned into something. So we shall see. I really definitely wish them the best of luck with it all. It's very admirable what they're what they're trying to do. But I wanted to, I mentioned before coming into the interview with page, I wanted to play just a couple of more things from this hearing with NASA and Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick Patrick because it really struck me and it really, I guess it related to what Page and I were just talking about when it comes to the stigma of this discussion about if you talk about it, maybe you get it looked at as a crazy person, right? Well, actually, Dr. Sean Cook-Patrick kind of commented on this and

spoke about it. And here's what he had to say. I thought it was, I thought it was pretty striking. The stigma has improved significantly over the years since the Navy first took this on some years ago. It is not gone. And in fact, I would argue the stigma exists inside the leadership of all of our buildings. So it's still a battle even within. And that's why it's so important, like I was just talking about there with Page, to try to overcome that stigma, to try to overcome, you know, the way that people look at all this and have this conversation out in the open,

which is exactly what she's trying to do. So I thought that was fascinating how what he said during that hearing really directly correlated to the conversation we were just having. In fact, even more so, when he talked about having this conversation out in the open, how important this hearing is or was with NASA and the continuing conversation, here's what he had to say about that.

It's incredible. Where can NASA help? I made that recommendation on NASA should lead the scientific discourse. we need to elevate this conversation. We need to have this conversation in an open environment like this where we aren't going to get harassed. Because this is a hard problem, it is a hard target problem. We need to understand what is the things that are in all of our domains, space or air or undersea, and how do we make sense of that?

Pretty interesting. I mean, he's kind of putting it all out there, airspace and sea, what are these things? They don't know. They're still willing to look into it. and they're still willing to have the conversation out in the open. And that's all we can ask for these days. Now, whether or not, you know, they're kind of playing us for fools and they do know what's going on,

but they're just not ready to release everything yet is another discussion for another day. But the fact of the matter is, the conversation is happening. And that's important for all the reasons that you just are there and all the reasons that we talked about here today on UAP weekly. With that said, that's going to do it for today. Sorry for the extended version here, but I definitely, I wanted to get a, all this in here for you today. Like I said at the start, we're chock full on this episode,

but I hope you enjoyed it nonetheless. Next week, you know, I'm going to keep up with everything that's going on. We'll see if I can get a couple more interviews going on here in UAP weekly. I do plan on having more conversations with my sources here in the next coming days. So I'm sure I will have some more info for you on that end as well, where I can kind of give you the the scoop of what's happening and some of the things that they're not talking about in these hearings. So looking forward to all that. And also make sure that you continue to follow along on Twitter at UA Podcast 850 is where you can find the show. On Twitter, I respond to everyone as much as I can on there directly. And I always love getting feedback or any ideas or just anything

that you have to say about what you heard or, you know, what you'd like to say about the show, anything on your mind, really, at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter. And of course, continue to to download and subscribe to the show, UAP, where you get UAP weekly as well, wherever we get your podcasts. And I know I say this all the time, but I feel I can't say it enough. I so truly appreciate the way you've all taken to the show and continue to take to it. Thank you so much for all the love that you give this project of mine with UAP. And I'm going to, as long as you want to keep hearing it, I'll keep going.

So much more to come here on UAP weekly and, of course, UAP, which of course, all of that is coming down the road soon as well. So look forward to covering all that with you. Until then, though, until next time, Stephen Deaneer here. UAP Weekly, I will talk to you again soon. Be good.