UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 6-11-24 Worlds Collide - Vetted and UAP Podcasts Come Together

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

In this special episode of UAP, Stephen Diener appears as a guest on the Vetted podcast with Patrick as they cover a wide range of topics together. From Michael Herrera, to the new developments in the Vegas alien case, and the supposed raids that were said to be taking place at black op govt facilities. This is truly a can't miss discussion...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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this is episode number 50. I can't believe that. This is episode number 50 of UAP Weekly. So I just want to throw that out there. That's pretty cool. And I can't believe, you know, when I started like a spin-off version of UAP, which became UAP Weekly, that's, you know, it's gotten this far. So, again, I've always said the only reason I do it is because you take to it. So thank you, as always, for doing that and for helping me reach 50 episodes of UAP Weekly.

So that's reason number one, why this is special. Reason number two is because I'm actually going to present an interview. of myself, which is kind of weird. And, but the reason why I'm doing it is because I think you're going to enjoy it if you haven't heard it already. I got an opportunity to do something pretty cool with Patrick on the Vetted podcast on his YouTube show. And if you're not familiar with Vetted or with Patrick, I've kind of followed him from afar. I've seen some of the interviews and some of the work that he's done over, you know, the past few months over the past year. and I think he does a great job.

He has a really great following. He's respected in this community. So I actually kind of backstory here. I saw him put out a tweet a couple weeks back where he said, I'm looking for new ideas, new guests. And he kind of put it out, you know, crowdsource it, right? What do you all think? What should I do next?

And I thought, well, shoot, why don't you talk to me? I think we could have a pretty cool conversation together because of some of the things we've talked about, including Michael Horace. Herrera have intersected. He spoke to Michael Herrera's former team leader, Nathan. Nathan had come out on vetted and said that Mike was lying about everything that he's spoken about in public and on my show. I responded on Mike's behalf on Twitter. So I thought, well, maybe we can kind of, you know, exchange notes there and go over anything else that Patrick wanted to ask me about. And it turned

into a really cool conversation. And we spoke for over an hour. So if you see this episode is a little bit longer than normal. That's why. But I think it's worth it and I think you'll enjoy it, which is why, you know, I don't want to put out, and I asked Patrick's permission before doing this. I said, hey, do you think this is okay? I don't want to kind of step on your toes on your channel, you know, take away from anything. But he was all for it. I kind of wanted to spread it out as far as could. Patrick's audience is great and I wanted to bring it to you as well here on this platform of UAP. So if you hadn't heard it on Patrick's vetted podcast, maybe you'll hear it here. And you can go subscribe to Patrick on his vetted podcast because I think he does great work. But again,

really fun conversation, really cool. And I really enjoyed the questions that he asked me and I think you'll enjoy the answers, which is why I wanted to bring it onto UAP. And one last thing to say before I bring on the interview is, I guess maybe I can call us like a post credit scene, like something out of a Marvel movie, because you might want to stick around to the end. I have some updates on Jason Sands. I spoke to him over the weekend directly. And a very long and extensive and mind-blowing conversation, actually, together. So I'm going to talk a little bit about that, and that's going to be at the very end.

So after the interview, I'll pop back on and update you a little bit on that before we go. But before we get there, please enjoy it. the interview here myself with Patrick on Vetted. All right, Stephen, welcome to the show, man. How you doing? I'm doing great, Patrick. Thanks for having me. This is cool.

It's cool to have the kind of the host back to, you know, back and back conversation here. So it's pretty cool thing to do. Absolutely. Yeah, man, we can relate on some of this stuff, right? How, you know, where we are with it as far as reporting on it, looking into it, right? interviewing people, trying to learn, I don't know what's happening. How long have you been in the space, right? If someone were to ask you, oh, how long you've been doing it?

What would you say? I would say three years because I'll just measure it from when I started UAP, the Unidentified Alien podcast, which has almost been three years. In July, it's going to be three years. So I'll measure it that way, but I know, man, time flies. Wow. But as far as, you know, being in it, a solid 15 years where I've really kind of been doing my own homework on it. Really?

Okay. So UAP was kind of a long time coming. So that was. Faked. Yeah, I guess so. So what brought the show? What made you say, okay, I'm going to pull the trigger and do the show? because let's explain a little bit like you're part of a radio program as well like is it the same

thing like how does this work like explain this for us yeah no i'm glad you brought it up because it's not really something that i bring up a lot you know what i mean as as as a host i present the show and i present the idea and the topics and you know i don't really jump on and tell my life stories so it's kind of interesting um even for me to reflect back on it where i started radio was always just kind of like something I always wanted to do. When I was like nine years old, I was doing radio shows in my bedroom. Like how many nine-year-old times? I'm such a nerd, man.

That's what I was doing. I would have my friends on his guests. I love it. It was funny. So, Jim, how was that stoke top last nine? Yeah, it was awesome, wasn't it? Did mom make the mac and cheese the way you want it? Yeah, I know.

I know she's awesome. Oh, yeah. I should try to find some of those old shows. I love that. I think it would be funny. That's so great. We had like the old stereos where we put the cassette tape in and hit play and record at the same time. So I was doing all that as a kid.

And so as I, you know, grew older and things like that, I got into radio through high school and through college. And I ended up landing in a position at a local radio station here in the West Palm Beach area, originally for sports, actually. And I got into some sports talk shows and then got into some news talks. radio shows and I was the producer slash co-host on news talk radio down here in south Florida and then came to one of my coworkers who if anybody listens to you AP here in your audience they'll know the name Karen Curtis Karen and I were co-workers at our radio station way back when and she came up to me and said you know you know so much about this alien stuff because we would talk about it in the halls you know all here and there yeah yeah and it was starting to get more in the news a little bit

You know, after the New York Times article, Marco Rubio, you know, he was talking about it. So we kind of started talking about it a little bit. You know, we kind of felt safe to kind of talk to each other a little bit. And so as I started talking more about it, she realized she's like, you know a lot of the stuff off the top of your head. You should do a podcast about it. And I was like, you know, I've thought about doing that,

but I'm not sure, you know, I'm the sports guy, you know. I'm the producer guy. Like, how are people going to react to that? And now it's like who I am. And I'm so happy that I decided to do it and really just take a leap of faith and create the show. I never, I'll tell you this right now, Patrick. I never expected UAP to become what it has become and hopefully it continues to grow. I mean, I just hit 200,000 downloads in May on audio platforms, you know, big Twitter following now and stuff like that.

and growing TikTok. I never expected this stuff. I wasn't even going for it. But the fact that people took to it is just so flattering to me. And I'm just going to keep trying to do what I do and hopefully do a good job at it. So that's kind of the background. That's awesome. And the show focuses on you doing interviews, you giving your take on thing.

Like what is it? What exactly? So it's kind of both, actually. It started as me just kind of digging into the story. that interested me throughout time. I mentioned like 15 years kind of being into the subject. So I actually would take, again, I'm a nerd, I would take notes while watching different shows or reading different things. And I would find a bit, I was like, wow, that's really interesting. I want to find out more about that down the road. And I would write, I would actually write notes in my phone on the notes app. It just compiled all these notes from like five years. And so I just kind of took it from there where the first,

episode I did was the story of Rendleson Forrest. John Morrow's Jim Penningston. We know that one, you know, early 1980s. It was one of the ones that really kind of stuck with me throughout the year. So I'm like, well, if I'm going to do a podcast about Alien Stories, I'm going to start with Rendlesham Forest.

And so that's how it began. I started really just digging in and giving details on the stories that I found interesting. And my model behind it was kind of give the details, tell the story, kind of give my two cents on it, and then let everybody decide what they think. You know, was that something that is plausible? Do you think that's a true story?

I'm not here to preach it. I just want to tell it to you because I find it interesting. So that was kind of the whole, you know, background of the show and the way it's gone. And then I kind of started the interviews over the past year and a half, couple of years. And that kind of developed into a spinoff of UAP weekly. So they kind of go hand in hand now. Got it. What do you like most about?

doing the interviews um the spontaneity i i love you know you and i you know it's what we do right we talk to people we tell stories we we try to relate to people in the way that we host the show and when i bring on a guest i i really enjoy just writing down notes and kind of just topics right i'll write down kind of bullet points but from there on a bullet point, that one bullet point can lead into five or six different questions for me. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So I just, I love that where I like, I know the bullet points, but I don't know what the answer is going to be, you know? So I love waiting to hear what the answer is going to be from the person I'm talking to. And then that's going to spark something else in my head.

And that conversation just snowballs into ways that I could have never planned for. So that I love that. I love that about it. Great answer. Great answer. Yeah. I couldn't agree more with that. that to be honest with you. I love the spontaneity of it as well. I liked it. Okay, it's it's potentially going to go this direction, but it could go here. It could go here. And I'm with it. I'm here for the ride. In fact, I'm hoping for something like that to happen if I'm being honest, right? In a way, come on. Yeah. No, that's cool. What's been your favorite interview you've done or most proud of or the one you tell people about the most? I don't know how you think of. I don't know how you think about it, you know? Oh, man. That's a great question. I've never actually thought about

that before. There's a couple that come to mind. I don't know. So there's there's three. I'm not trying to do a cop out here, but there's kind of three that. Yeah, no, of course. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like different categories. I would do the same. I would say the same thing. I get it. So the one that the first one pops into my head and I don't know if this is a guy you've spoken to yet, but he's kind of a, not, not bipolar. What's the where I'm looking for? Polarizing. Polarizing.

Maybe I'm bipolar. I don't know. He's kind of a polarizing character on social media is Ashton Forbes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I had Ashton on. Okay. Yeah. He's, my opinion, he's a cool guy.

Yeah. I like Ashton. Yeah. So, you know, we're on the same page there. I know, again, kind of polarizing. He has his hate. online they come up pretty strong against them it is what it is you and i have both been there they will right now listening to this on vetted okay i promise you it's it's it's i had people unsubscribe

from my patreon because i interviewed him and just had him on the show and then i did a live stream with him afterwards so he could answer fans questions ashton didn't back down ashton was open to anything ashton didn't say hey don't bring up this don't talk about this. He did nothing, dude. He was open. He was willing. And I give it to the guy. So, yeah, I have no problem. But yes, that's hilarious. Well, I'm glad he had him on. Okay, so he's one of them that you had on. Yeah, he's one of them. So we've actually spoken like four or five times. I kind of lost count. Oh, wow. And it kind of came about last year. So when he first started kind of to gain steam, where he started to get noticed as far as what he was doing and presenting with, you know,

we all know about it, the orbs disappearing the Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. I think it was last August. I might have spoken to him the first time. So it was like a few months, or maybe there's October, but anyway,

it was a few months into his investigation. I was like, this is pretty interesting. So we've kept in touch, and again, cool guy. He's good in my book. I think what you've on about Ashton, but I think he's great.

And like you said, what I think he's great about him is he is willing to answer. You have a lot of people who say stuff about him, but Ashton responds to everything and he's got an answer for everything. So I always like that about doing an interview with him. He was also willing to debate. I put out a thing to have Mick West and Ashton Forbes debate. I said I would host it and I try too. Ashton was like,

Ashton was like, I'll do it. And Mick was like, I don't want to do this. And then I see Mick tweeting out more stuff about MH3. I was like, dude, just do it already. Like you said there's nothing to debate about but you continue tweeting about it let's just you know do this for the community we can add a charity i don't know but ashton is willing to debate and there was a few people he was willing to debate and they all said no yeah and that's that's what i like about him is he's he's he steps up to the plate you know he does you want about him if you're an ashton hater by all means that's your but he steps up to the plate and he's he has answers to his claims so i agree i agree you know I agree. He's willing to talk about it. What else do you want from somebody? Right. You may not like the answer, but if you don't step up to the, you know, sit down at the table, what, what's a point, really? Yeah. So, yeah, I know I'm with you. Okay. So Ashton Forbes is one. Who's another that's sort of like impactful on your show and you just, you know.

Anthony Williams. So Anthony Williams is a guy. Not familiar with him. Okay. I like this already. I like this already. Let's go. might be why you're not familiar with the name because it's not his real name. It's not a real person. Now, he's a real person, but he has to use a pseudonym. So this is what actually, I don't want to drone down about it. So long story short, he's a guy that reached out to me. He was a listener of UAP. And I had, no pun intended, I had to vet him a little bit when he reached out to me

because I wanted to make sure that, you know, someone's not pulling my leg. They're not catfishing me. Because when he reached out to me, he said, hey, look, I'm so-and-so. I'm stationed at so-and-so here in the United States. And this is my position within the U.S. military. You know, I was in the special ops, served in Afghanistan, served in Iraq. Real deal guy, okay. Wow.

And that was my reaction. So I'm like, okay. You're braver than me, dude. I ignore all those messages. I do. I ignore them all. No, thanks. No, honestly, I almost did.

I don't blame you because it's scary. You're like, oh, my God. Yeah. I see here. Totally. But it turns out, he was the real deal. And he was, he liked the show and he identified with the stuff that I was talking about. And the first message he wrote to me, he said, he said, you're on to a lot of things.

You're off on a couple of things. And I'd love to talk to you about it if you'd like to connect. He said, okay, let's give it a shot. You're like, I'll hear him out. He's a great guy. I heard him out. again, bedded him. Did my own research on him.

He is who he says he is. And we developed a relationship enough off the air, again, so to speak, to where he felt comfortable enough to come on to UAP under an assumed name of Anthony Williams and give inside information. You had, Patrick, he's, he's an active military intelligence officer, this guy. He's a military intelligence analyst, is actually what I should say. he's not active duty anymore he's not on tour anymore but you know he's he's an analyst that's his that's his job and i can say that because he said it before um so to have his insight is what really blew me away

when i had him what did he say like i'm i'm care like without spoiling it um too much uh you know because i want people to check out the episode but like what and and how long ago was this so i've had him on a few times um the first one was probably a about a year ago. And he's been on. That's another guy I've had on a lot, I think about four times. Anthony Williams has been on the show.

I'm going to bring up, I should have done this earlier. This is your show here. Of course, I'm going to put links in the description for people to go check it out and see it, of course, and listen. But okay, so Anthony Williams,

he came on a few times. And what was like some big stuff, like, I don't know, maybe just a few things he said. So the original idea was, And I framed it as military intelligence whistleblower. That was the original kind of idea behind having him on. And so what he did was when he came on,

he kind of gave him behind the scenes of how much the U.S. military and intelligence community is actually paying attention to this stuff. And a lot of the stuff that we see when it comes to, you know, what the Pentagon is saying or what Arrow is saying is essentially BS. And when he's, you know, a guy like Sean Kirkpatrick, Patrick, which probably comes to no surprise to you and anybody listening or watching is that guy is

he's a frontman and he basically is out there to say what he has to say and divert attention from the real thing so that was the first thing and basically kind of shiny light on this is the real deal it's talked about a lot

and it's behind the scenes he's saying like behind the scenes we're dealing with this okay exactly got it and that it's it's something that is taken seriously by the U.S. government and the intelligence agencies, more serious than they let on. So that was the first thing that was kind of like the woe moment when he was on the show. Another thing that was kind of like a woe moment was he spoke about, and I'm trying to

remember the exact figure, and I don't remember, but I'm going to give the best estimate I can. He gave an example of how much money, and this isn't a political thing, but he gave an example of how much money the U.S. has spent on Ukraine in the Ukraine-Russia war versus how much much money we're spending investigating UAP and it blows it out of the water like oh really money that we put toward behind the scenes yeah investigating the uap issue when they say you know nothing to see here in the arrow report complete lie because we're spending off the books off the books right it's just it's not reported right and i think what got to me too was and this was in i think our most recent interview they have in this military intelligence community

and in this analyst community, they have basically kind of call it a chat room. And this is actually where Jason Sands came from, which we can get to later. I was going to say that's what made me think of it

when you said the chat room thing. Jason Sands was a colleague of his. So most recently, when I spoke to Anthony Williams, we spoke about Jason Sands. Oh, really? Yes. Honestly, when you said military analysts,

intelligence analyst, I thought of Jason Sands because so was he he was a teacher of some sort, right, with that, potentially. Anyway, okay, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. No, no, not at all, not at all. So essentially what happened there was we spoke about Jason Sands, which we can get into, if you like. And he also spoke to me about what is being said or how many guys. Because I asked him, again, this was kind of like the spontaneous moment in the interview.

I said, Anthony, how many guys in the intelligence community talk about this stuff? Like, it's not just you and Jason Sands, I assume. His answer was hundreds. You have hundreds of guys as military intelligence analysts and in the military community who talk about, and this even goes back to a guy like Ryan Graves, who talk about their sightings and what they've seen in the past and just talk amongst themselves. And they're super interested in the videos that come across, which they get a lot of. They get a lot of videos that they analyze. of orbs of, you know, the triangles, the cigars.

There was one, this actually was the other thing that kind of blew my mind that he told me about. And please tell me if you've heard about this. Because I haven't heard anybody else talking about this. But according to Anthony Williams, who were speaking of, there's been incidents where over Colorado and in that area, over the Colorado area, I believe. Okay. I want to say Wyoming, those two areas. Wyoming. where they've seen reported eyewitness reports from local police and local military of giants, as he put it, giant black triangles, flying over secret nuclear installations.

These are off the book nuke sites. These aren't the ones that they would, you know, report as part of our arsenal. These are secret areas. And these giant black triangles, this is absolutely. of October of 23 to now. This is still happening. And what I found. Oh, this is current. They're flying over like it's the current thing. Yes.

It's still happening. And no one is talking about it. And I felt like I was going crazy so much. I'm like, I haven't heard of this. I'm talking about this. You haven't heard about it. Yeah.

And I've actually, him and I've spoken about it off the show, because that's the first time he told me about it and he's like dude you have to hear about this and this was something it got so bad Patrick that the first time around this past October in 23 it was pursued

by what's called I think they're called a gosh a super Huey something like that it's a big military helicopter if I'm getting the name wrong I apologize chased one of these triangle crafts it tried to chase it down you had you had soldiers in this big U.S. military

helicopter in pursuit on radio saying what they saw and they were pursuing this giant black triangle and eventually now these things these big helicopters they kind of lumbered you know versus what a black hawk would do or something like that so they weren't really able to keep pace but this is something that's did you hear a recording of this or this just what he said this is this is what he said i haven't heard the recording but what he's told in his position There is a recording of this. It's on record. It's on radar.

It's in the reports. Is it just the one site? Is it just this one incident or are there multiple on radar and recording? Like, you know what I mean? Because you said it have multiple times. I'm curious if they have more recordings. That I'm not sure of. But I know.

And now I can assume they do because it would make sense, right? If there's one, then there's probably multiple. But I know that it's been seen multiple. multiple times and they're really not talking about it. And I guess the, so the explanation. How big you think it is? What, how big you,

you talk about you talking about. You gave an example of three football fields. So three football fields. Holy cow. Okay. That was my reaction. Yeah. Wow.

That's huge. And I asked them because I was just kind of incredulous. I was like, how is it that this is happening? You have a 300 yard sized black triangle flying over these, you know, secret super sensitive sites in the U.S. military and it's not being talked about it. His explanation was, well, do think about it, if we have craft flying over secret sites that

we don't want anybody to know about to begin with, what are we supposed to say? Are we supposed to say that a craft that we don't know where it comes from or who it is is flying over a site that we can't even tell you exists? So it makes the U.S. look weak and kind of not knowing what's going on. So I think that's why it's not spoken about it. I mean, sure, sure. That totally makes sense. If it's real, if that is true that that happened, that explanation makes sense.

Yeah. If it's meant to be a black site, nuclear site, I mean, a triangle craft 900 feet, right? Yeah. Is it doing anything? Is it interacting with the nuclear site? Is it doing something? Like, why are they chasing it just to check it out? or it did something.

No, I think they just wanted to figure out what it was doing, right? Like, what is this thing? Yeah. Right. See you figure anything out. As far as I know,

I wasn't told if it was doing anything specific other than essentially surveying the field, right? So I what do you do if you catch up to that thing in the chopper? Like, you get on. You get on. No, no. I'm not getting on. You jump on it. I'm not doing that, bro.

I got the rope. I'm holding the row, bro. I got you. I'm holding the row. Well, you go. What do you do? Right? I don't know, man.

That's crazy. Yeah, I think about the scenario of like, okay, what happens when you catch up to this thing? Right. Right. Like, remember when, uh, commander David Fravers, like the Tick-Tac, right, he's like, oh, I saw this down. Like, I'm going to go chase this thing down. Like, what are you going to do?

What do you catch up to this thing? Like, that's the balls on that guy, man. Um, you know, his testimony is great. But no, what a, what a crazy story. What's the current temperature on this incident with the black triangles and nuclear sites? Like where's it at? Is it just floating around? Is there somebody doing something about it?

Does he have any power over that, this guy, Anthony Williams? He doesn't. He's kind of, I hate saying this because it kind of makes it sounds like it diminishes him. And I don't mean it that way. But he's kind of a cog in the machine. Sure. Well, the machine's huge. So I'm sure he doesn't take that for, you know.

Right. You know what I mean? I mean, he's, look, super accomplished. Even the president of the United States is a cog in the machine. Right. It's true. So I don't mean that. We all are.

Totally. Totally. Totally. Totally. So it's, he's in the position basically to analyze and report. So. Has he had any firsthand like Jason Sands? Has he had any firsthand experiences?

He has, not as extreme as Jason. Sands. But that's actually how our conversation started, him and I. When he reached out to me, he told me his story, where it was actually he and his wife. And his wife is also in the military, has a lot of flight experience. And they were sitting out in their backyard on, you know, on base. And these lights came flying over. And my first reaction to him was, well, dude, it must have been Starlink. I mean, you know, I've seen Starlink satellites. Actually saw him a couple weeks ago, and it was really cool. It was like 30 lights equidistant from each other flying in a line. And it's like that's really distinctive.

You know Starlink when you see it. And he's like, no, dude, he's like, this wasn't Starlink. He's like, you know what that looks like? And he's like, there was no sound to it. He's like, you have to understand something. My wife and I can identify an aircraft by the sound of it. We can hear it, you know, half a mile away. We don't see it.

We hear it. We're like, oh, that's so and so. You know, that's our experience. And we were like, we don't know. what were seen. There's no sound to it, so we can't identify it. There are these strange lights. It's unlike anything we've ever seen.

And that was their experience. So he actually ended up doing his own digging because he was just, you know, kind of curious about it. Like anybody else right? You hear about it in the news. And you're like, oh, yeah, that's pretty interesting aliens,

you know, UFOs, who knows? But then he saw it. Is his siding recently? This was about, I want to say maybe, three or four years ago. Okay. Just the reason I ask is because Jason Sands is like from the 90s, right?

Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. Just curious. 95 or 96. Yeah. His is later than that.

He was kind of like new to it. So from there, he just kind of dug into it himself and started listening to podcast and came across UAP and the rest is history. Awesome. That's awesome, dude. That's all. So you still talk to this guy. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We actually, we talk outside of the show where we keep up with each other. And I mean, I don't know. I mean, this would be my first question. If you were like my good friend, we're hanging out, you just told me that story, right? I would say, dude, how do you know this guy isn't bullshit? Right.

Yeah. Like what did you say to that? I don't know. Is that anything you've thought of or? Oh, for sure, for sure. Because I, my biggest fear is someone's going to approach me. And I think about this constantly when someone approaches. feed you some.

I get it, dude. Trust me. If anyone gets it, I get it. I promise. You get it. You get it. The last thing I want is to be approached, fall for something in a malicious manner that makes me look stupid and makes me give faulty information to people who trust me. I don't want to be giving off all the information.

So I don't know you don't either. So that's something that we both struggle with, you know. And it's hard. I did it with Jason saying. I said that he killed a blue alien and he had to respond to that. And I heard that, right? And I admitted who I heard that from because I don't do anonymous sources and that was eating me up because I don't like, I personally can't do what you've done with this entity guy. Like I can't do that.

I'm like, I'm not in that for this game in the long haul, you know, to have these sort of personal connections or and I get it. you know, we all going through this journey differently. And there is a part of me that wants to. Trust me. There is. I do get, I've been approached. I've got emails. I've gotten all kinds of, you know, I do there.

I work with this. Here's my, you know, screenshots of their ID badges, you know, all kinds of things. Right. Ready. I've been invited into the UFO group, this sort of insider group. Like, do you want to be part of the check? No. I don't want to.

I get scared, honestly, by it. Because it's like, I, I come at this, looking at this topic, very like fantastically, almost like childlike in the sense of I'm in awe of these stories that fascinated by reality changing truths, right, that could exist. And I don't know, I don't want to get to like X-Files with it, but like I commend people like yourself because I get to live vicariously through you doing it. and I get like the, you know, the juice from the press, you know, of, you know, so I commend people like yourself who are out here doing that kind of work. Because we do need that. We do need people to build some of these relationships and vet some of these people because some of them are coming out to tell the truth, right? Some are not.

And some are. And I think it is important to just hear what's going on, right? Like you said, let's hear them out. Yeah. Let's hear what's he what's he got to say, you know? So, you know, my props to you for, for doing it, sticking your neck out. I don't know if people realize that you are sticking your neck out. So I hope people give you that credit and that do and, you know, give you a little more leeway and benefit of the doubt if you were to say something, whatever. I'm Lucy Goosey here a little bit more. And I definitely shouldn't have said that about Jason Saints. I, I, I, I,

do, and I admitted it the next video and apologized. And I tried to get Jason Sands on. Yeah. Okay, come on. Tell your story. I'll just let you talk like this. Of course I'm going to ask some questions. Why wouldn't I?

I mean, listen to the story you're telling me. Of course I'm going to ask. I would ask questions if my friend said I went to karaoke last night and it got crazy. I would be asking a million questions. Well, what happened? Right. So you're telling me the story in the desert with an alien. Yeah, I have questions.

So anyway, what, what do you feel with Anthony Williams, Jason Sands, this guy, Steve, I don't know if you've heard of him, he's sort of in relation to Jason Sands. That's a pseudonym as well. Right. This Lightbringer guy that just came out who, I don't think he's connected militarily, right? But having some of the same sort of thoughts or ideas presenting, right, from their story that kind of aligns, right? That there is this cover up behind the scenes. There are these programs happening.

We are retrieving craft, bodies, you know, I don't know. You see all these whistleblowers coming out. What are your thoughts? I mean, Anthony Williams vouched for Jason Sands? He did, yeah. And so I'll kind of tie it all together when it comes to how do I do Anthony Williams it's real and why do I think Jason Sand is for real. So, by the

way, thank you for saying what you said. I do appreciate that. It's it means a lot because it is, it's nerve-wracking because it really can go one of two ways. They can be catfishing me or it's real and then I'm really sticking my neck out because if the wrong people get mad at me, I'm in trouble. So I appreciate that.

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in a particular mission was written about in a book relating to a famous military mission within the past, I'll just say five years. His story and his real name is all in there in this book. So what he was telling me, I was able to check out through an actual documented history of military action. Got it. And then I was just talking to him more.

I was able to find out more about his work. I was actually able to see in some of the things with his work. So he is who he says he is. And I feel 150,000 percent saying that, confident in saying that Anthony Williams is who he says he is. If anybody's ever heard my episodes with him or hasn't, going to that knowing I'm extremely confident on that he's the guy. So that being said,

that's why I believe Jason Sands is also the real deal. Anthony Williams came to me in December of 23. And I apologize. I've told the story on my show. So if anybody's heard it and it's like, you know, it's like old news if you've heard it. So I apologize for that.

But, um, I haven't heard it. Yeah, perfect. So he, he, uh, came to me just, you know,

over the phone, private conversation in December of 23. And said, dude, you are not going to believe this. But there's a guy. named Jason Sands. He's like, you cannot talk about him.

You cannot say his name. He's like, I'm telling you in confidence, but you're going to be able to talk about him in about six months or so because he is going to be in a James Fox documentary coming out next year, now in 24. And he said, this guy actually is like, I was floored because this is a guy I've known for a few years.

And it's a guy that I know from the military intelligence community. like he's he's you know been in the analyst community he's like so when we found out he was going to be in this documentary we were all like really supportive of him like dude we're really proud of you um you know that takes a lot of courage to stand up and say this and to do these things and he's like but there was those handful of dissenters who came out and said you're such an idiot for doing this you're putting us all in danger and because of that and i was told us again this whole thing was in December. And because of that, Jason Sands kind of went into hiding. I asked Anthony, I said, look, if possible, I'm like, I'm not trying to step on James Fox's toes by any means. I respect

his work. But if he wants to come on, you AP and talk, then that's great. Again, if they're supposed to wait until after the documentary, then we'll wait until next year. He tried reaching out to Jason Stans at that point in mid-December and he was nowhere to be found his he was scrubbed off the system his bosses told him not to bring him up anymore like this was real deal stuff it got wow really eerie to the point where anthony my contact was worried that something happened to him he's like this was really bad like this is a guy that would answer my emails at the most 48 hours later nothing would ever take more than two days and I was just just gone, not taking my calls, anything.

Disappeared. Just disappeared. And then when Jason Sands, so he told me Jason's, he told me Jason's story of what we know now. He told me that back in December about the blue alien and in the desert, you know, came up, cross it in the Jeep. His commanding officers told him not to stop. You're going to see somebody out there in fatigues. Don't stop.

He stopped anyway. And that was the story I was told. It's a story that Jason Sanz has come out and told since. and I hold that in for like six months. I'm like, oh my gosh, when is this going to come out? So when Jason came out on Twitter spaces, can I tell you? I got up, it was a Sunday morning. I'll never forget this.

It was a Sunday morning and I was rolling out of bed to get ready for church. And I checked my phone and I see my UAP Twitter account blowing up. Like, what the heck happened here? It's Sunday morning. It's 8 o'clock in the morning. What could possibly be happening? And it was Jason Sands' Twitter space. I'm like, oh my gosh, he came out.

I don't believe this. So I had to go to church with this on my mind. I'm trying to compartmentalize all this. I'm like in the church parking lot, making a video saying what I knew. So I was just trying to put it all together. And even Anthony Williams was shocked by it. Because I got with him that afternoon.

I said, dude, did you see this? Jason Sands came. He's like, oh, my gosh. He's a lot. Like that was our first thought. We're like, thank God he's okay. Because we were... Oh, shit.

So nobody had heard from a period up until that point. Right. Five or six months until five... Yeah, when did he come out? What was it April? I think it was late April, wasn't it? I'm just trying to remember off the top of my head, but I think it was late April. It's somewhere around there.

Yeah, because you know what? It was. It was like the second, the end of the beginning of the third week of the third week of April somewhere in there. Because I had Danny Sheehan on and I asked him about Jason Sands. And that was right when that happened. It was that weekend before.

Okay, yeah. I mean, I made all those videos and everything. Okay. Dude, that's interesting. I didn't know that that he had been gone this whole time and then just popped out with this story. Five months, man. And I didn't tell anybody about it. I knew for like

three weeks. I had heard his name. Nicole Sackett, who I said on the show. I said who told me. She had told me that story and said the same, like that everyone was struggling with, do we come out with this information? Right.

I don't know what's going on. You know, yeah, everyone was surprised, apparently that knew about his story. Yeah, I don't know. It's, but as, I hate to use the word insane. It's the wrong word. As out there, I guess, as Jason's story sounds, because it's so unique, I think a lot of people have a hard time accepting it.

Look, I have a hard time accepting it. And I have extreme confidence in where Jason's coming from. I know he's a real guy. I know where he works and what he does in his history. And I thought I have a hard time accepting it because if we accept something like that. Right. Yeah, exactly. It's it's trying to balance that, right? It's on one end, you've got this fantastical story that your brain is like. There's just no way. And on the other end, you go, this is a normal guy that that has this and X and why in the hell would he make this up? Right. Right. Your brain is like, what do I do? Like, that's where I'm at. Like, I don't understand. I don't understand it. I think it's really, and I don't understand either because, and I think that's what it is. And I think, I'm glad you and I'm the same page with that real quick is I don't like when people in the,

you know, UAP community try to act like they have all the answers. Nobody has all the answers. No. We all, we're all basically just researching and reacting. It's really what it is. I mean,

you know what I mean? I'm stealing that. That's it, Stephen. It's just researching and reacting. That's all we can do. That's all we can do because, and even people like Anthony Williams who are in it.

That's all they can do is research and react. So that's just kind of the position that we're in. So to say that we can understand it or have all the answers, I'm okay with saying that I don't have all the answers, that I don't fully understand all this. It's unbelievable, you know, the stuff that we hear. But I will say this in, I guess, in defense of Jason Sands and his story and his background, maybe more than anything,

And Anthony Williams brought this up the last time I had him on, which is a guy like Jason Sands and a guy like Anthony Williams. When you're in that position, you have top secret clearances up the wazoo. And in order to keep those top secret clearances, you have to pass tests that the government spends thousands of dollars on every five years. So these aren't small things. You've got to take polygraphs. You've got to do all these different things. They check your background. like, you know, crazy.

They'll talk to first grade teachers. They do everything. Every five years, they look into where you've traveled, who you've contacted, all this different stuff. Every five years, guys like Anthony and Jason have to go through these top secret clearances. So when we talk about Jason Sands, his story is 30 years old. That means he's gone through six different top secret clearances since then and has passed every single one.

and not only has kept his top secret clearances, but has added on to them. So it's just something to consider. No, that's true. I mean, to be fair, again, I'm not saying it, but he could have come up with the story in the last couple of years. And that wouldn't have mattered, right? That's fair. When it came true. But regardless of that, yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day, I don't know.

I don't know what's going on. I'm happy that people want to come forward and talk about it. And, you know, that's it. I mean, I don't know what else there is to do. Hear from these people find out, I guess, as much information as we can. Let me ask you this question. Is everything that Jason Sands is saying, like in the Twitter space, whatever, like, is that Dobs are approved?

And the same thing with Anthony Williams. Is what he's telling you just off the cuff? Like, is he breaking laws by talking to you? No. and I'm glad you asked that actually because I want to make that clear. He has, he's careful to make sure not to overstep any boundaries. So anything that we talk about, he's able to talk about. And when we do talk, I say to him, like, hey, look, I'm going to ask you a question.

If you can't answer it, I totally get it. Just answer my best your ability. And he's shot me down plenty of times privately and on the air where he's like, yeah, I can't get into that. It's too classified. So, no, I'm glad you asked that because actually I wanted to say that, that, you know, everything's on the up and up. So what do you think about Jason Sands? Is his Dopser approved, like what he's saying? Like his story?

So that's an interesting one. I don't know how to answer it exactly because I think in Jason Sands kind of situation, he's kind of, I think he's using more like the Whistleblower Protection Act more than anything. So he's just talking off the cuff here. Yeah, pretty much. And that's as far as I understand. I could be wrong about that. Sure. That's as far as I understand.

Sure. But, you know, this is stuff. Again, he hasn't lost his job. He hasn't lost any clearances as far as I know. Like, he's still working. He's going to do more. As far as I remember, he said he would do more interviews after James Fox's documentary comes out.

And that there would be more information about his story in that, that he didn't want to reveal yet, right? and to be fair to him, like I said about Ashton Forbes, like we both said, I will be fair to Jason said, he was willing, he went into Twitter space and was willing to take questions from anybody. Yeah. Yeah. So say what you want. Yeah.

Even to myself, right? I got to say that to myself, Patrick. Hey, he was willing to go in and that, which is why I wanted to have them on. I want to have any of these guys on that want to say, okay, come on. Let's talk. I don't have any problem. hearing this stuff but am i going to be a little skeptical i mean i would be i mean it would be kind of abnormal to not be a little skeptical of some of these stories that are so from the norm right

so separated from what i might understand as normal reality so it's okay to kind of in my opinion have a few questions or maybe not skeptical is the right word but just okay what is going on i mean trust me i'm fascinated by to be to be to be honest with you. And more than anything, I want to know, is there anything I need to be worried about? Right? When I hear these stories, that's what I think of. Is there anything I need to be worried about? Yeah. You know, at home. I mean, we got triangles flying around over nuclear sites that we can't get a hold of, right? Other crap, other things, I don't know. I hear Jason Sand's story and we're working with, again, if you believe his story, then you're going to have to believe the accordion that comes with it, right?

when you pull it out, it's like all the rest of it that comes with it, meaning we're working with ETs, there's laps, there's that, right? Like all of that becomes part of the story, right? So I don't know, is that worrisome? Like, is this, I don't know, man. I, I, I, I, yeah, I don't know. Like, I don't know, how do you feel about this whole threat?

Like, is it a threat? Like, should we be worried? We're not worried. Everyone's got like a different opinion there. Like, no, they're friendly. They're, I don't know. know yeah i mean well you're 100% right in the you know kind of unraveling the uh repercussions of this stuff right if we can say that jason san story is true well then that means but working with

ets and if we're working with etes then the eisenhower treaty must be true and if that's true then dulcet base must be true and roswell must be true like it would be just this massive domino effect where one thing went to another and i think for me and it and i and i think for me and it and I think for you too, that's what makes it so unbelievable. 100%. Is that realization of like, oh, my gosh. But also intriguing. Yes.

Right. At the same time, it's equally like, oh, man, that's, that's correct. Like, if that is true, like, wow. Right. Right. Would that mean the Galactic Federation is true? I mean, that's one of the most unreal stories out there. And I've been wanting to dig into that more.

And Carl Nell sort of dropping that hint at soul, or not soul, sorry, salt. Right. Kind of, right? By mentioning Homeboy from Israel, he's kind of implying potentially that he backs up that statement. But to be fair to Carl, now, that's also a stretch on our part, like, at least on my part, like, oh, dude, I got to connect all that. But maybe is that what he's trying to hint at? I don't know. Why bring him up?

What's the, like, what part of him are you bringing up, right? right is i'm except like what part of his career or his position or what why mention his name because it said oh like these people have said right well then let's look at what he said galactic federation um yeah what um i mean it was these israeli space minister right like he was yeah it wasn't just some slub saying this this is like it's like It is. It's nuts. Like the defense minister of space, pretty much. It's just nuts. It's just like, great.

And then you hear some of the other stories behind it that also intrigued me, Avi Loeb, trying to get in contact and can't get in contact. No, again, Carl Nell bringing that like, and you, I don't know, man. I don't know. You hear Tucker Carlson talking about we got agreements with these supernatural forces. You know, the American government has agreements. And supposedly the dude from Project Unity just said that Donald Trump, he got information that it's Donald Trump that told Tucker Carlson that. Not that it's true or not, just that he got that information from Donald Trump.

And what did the Israeli space minister say about this Galactic Federation? It was Donald Trump was a part of this. Right. So I don't, dude. I'm just like, is this real? Which is, yeah, that's the scary thing. Is it the host of The Apprentice is now running, like, is this how the world, is this really react? Like, we're in a Simpsons episode.

I know. We're in a Simpsons episode. It's equally fascinating. I mean, it is, man. What's like, yeah, go ahead. Sorry, sorry, sorry, Simon. No, no, no. Actually, I wanted to ask you a question.

I wanted to get your opinion on something. Because you brought up Tucker Carlson where he was recently on with. Sean Ryan. Yeah. Who I think does a great job. So shout out to him. I love Sean Ryan's show. Yeah.

I think he does fantastic work and the different kind of topics that he covers. Dude, the production too. How great is a production on that show? Really good. Really good stuff. So good. So good. So good.

So good. So good. So good. I admire his work. Yeah. But when he had on Tucker, he mentioned Tucker did about the spirituality aspect. And this is something that I've always found really maybe the biggest question of all for me since the beginning has always been how does this connect

to theology you know i mentioned earlier i was going to church on sunday morning when i woke up and found how jason sands came out so i you know i i guess i'm a religious guy i guess if you want to say that and you know i go to church and whatnot so i tried to connect the two and i try to kind of figure out how each thing how to square this up Yeah, you know, how does it have its place? And so recently, as I was kind of digging into what Tucker Carlson was saying with Sean Ryan, he was talking about that spirituality aspect and how far back does this go? And he mentioned the ancient religions, not only Christianity or Judaism, but even with Hinduism and different things like that,

how they all talk about these deities and, you know, these supernatural beings coming down to earth. they all have some type of origin story. So he was kind of getting at, there is a supernatural aspect to this that mixes with spirituality somehow. And I don't know, I mean, have you thought about that and what that means? Because I think to me that's the biggest question.

Yeah, I find it fascinating, to be honest with you. I think that idea is totally plausible, at least part of it anyway, the idea that people interpreted the phenomenon as X and wrote it down as Y, right? And but it was this phenomena the whole time. Right. And what that phenomena is is anybody's guess,

but this was how we interpreted it before as these gods. Or it is the gods and the phenomenize them. Like it's, you know what I mean? Like they're projecting it or they're making it or whatever. It's just part of them. If that makes sense, too. So I don't know. Yeah, I find it fascinating.

What is the connection? Absolutely. And again, I find his comments, you know, and he's so sure of it. We have an agreement, right? We being the U.S. government, not just like some people are government. Like, who in the government? Like, is there a special office for this agreement? Like, where is this being signed?

Like, you know what I mean? What pen? I want that pen that pen that they signed this with. Yeah. I just don't know. That's scary. With supernatural forces, what does that even mean? I speculated. I was thinking, I guess my heart, like I was thinking, oh, good. Like, oh, we have an agreement with Jesus. People like, no, it's demons, Patrick. You're getting it wrong. You don't understand my. Oh, shit, I don't know. What the hell? He didn't say. He said supernatural forces. Why does your mind go demon? Like evil. Why can't it be, you know, we're kicking it. with Jesus on this. I don't know. I don't know, dude. Like, you know, it's been a long time since I've gone to church. I used to teach Sunday school, actually, many, many years ago in a Baptist church for like three, four years, very involved. And, but it's been a while. So like, when you hear Tucker talk about that, what, what do you, what do you, what do, when he says supernatural forces and given

maybe the history of other things he has spoken about, how do you interpret that? Do you interpret it? Do you interpret it? that the U.S. government is in agreement with, like, evil beings, like demons, as we would describe them, or what? How do you, you know what I mean? Lord, I hope not. That's what I'm saying. I hope, I mean, that sounds horrible. I really hope not. I mean, whatever, if this is, you know, whatever life form this is that we talk about when it comes to NHI, you know, as we call them these days, non-human intelligence, aliens, whatever you want to say, biologics.

maybe some of it is demons and maybe some of it is interdimensional beings and maybe some of it is you know non-human intelligence that lives in another galaxy and has conquered space maybe it's all three you know and that's that's what i i kind of wrestle with that it's like what are we looking at what are we dealing with and if we do have an agreement then which one is it with and how long is that agreement last before times up, you know? And most importantly, what's in the agreement? Yeah, right. What are we agreeing to?

I got to say it. If you put like the old adage, you put a gun to my head right now and I have to make a decision on something, my decision would be to say that we absolutely have an agreement with something, some race of non-human intelligence because if we didn't, then how could we possibly be okay with abductions

if we believe in alien abductions and how can we be okay with essentially these things flying over our skies and military installations and all these different things anytime they want there's nothing we can do about it. So is it A,

that there's just nothing we can do about it? we're so far behind the eight ball. Maybe that's even scarier if that's the case. If we're so far behind the eight ball that we're just lost. Or is it B, let them do their thing. We have our agreement. They're not going to go past that and we're not going to go past that line. We have our line and we're not going to cross it.

So I guess that's the main question. I tend to go towards B. And I got to tell you, if I'm being honest, I think I'd rather be B because I really don't want to believe that we are just so clueless that we have no idea what to do. That that part scares me. That's a good point. Just kind of asleep at the wheel. Yeah.

And that's actually, Carl Nell kind of touched on that idea at the Sault Conference. He kind of mentioned that a little bit as to, you know, what would prevent disclosure. And that might be one of the scenarios. it's just a unwillingness to acknowledge how helpless we are. How inferior we are in this situation. I mean, again, if we're saying this is true, that makes sense from a government stamp. If you're running the government and you're back there having these meetings, right, that makes

sense. Yeah. It just does. You kind of think about it. And maybe to use an analogy, you know, You think about something like a movie like Armageddon or a deep impact or something like that or 2012, any disaster movie where the Earth is going to be destroyed. What happens? They don't tell anybody about it because they know there's nothing they can do.

There'll be panic. Right. So, you know, is that the type of, not I'm not saying the Earth's going to be destroyed, you know what I mean? But no, but. No, but. So, they know there's nothing they can do about it. They don't have answers on it. So they just keep denying.

I don't know. Sure. No, I, I mean, I, I 100% agree. Honestly, I do. Look, let's change topics here a little bit because I do want to talk to you about a few more things before, you know, we end this. You recently had, I can't remember his name, Scott. I think his name is Scott. Right. Okay, yes. This Las Vegas alien video. So if you can, just for our viewers here and listeners, kind of a quick summary of the Las Vegas. incident and like where where you're at with Scott with this video right that's out and and everything.

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That's Shopify.com slash UAP. I think we all remember last May. I think it was around mid-May. Las Vegas story came out. Police cam dashboard video. We had this green light streaking through the sky in Las Vegas. everyone chalked it up to a meteor. You know, all the characteristics of that.

But then you have the Kenmore family in Las Vegas, this kid Angel, one of the members of the family, calling 911, saying that there's these eight to ten foot tall alien-looking beings in their backyard and they're really scared. The police come out there. They investigate. The police are scared. They don't know what to do. We have 13 minutes of missing body cam footage from the police as they went into the backyard, which we still haven't seen. I didn't know that.

By the way, we still haven't seen that. And no one really knew what to make of it. We had, all we had from it was a home video from the mother, I believe it was, of the Kenmore family. She was filming the men and the family walking into the backyard with weapons. Oh, that's the mom filming that. Right. I didn't know that. Okay.

Yes. Thank you for sharing. And they're all walking in. And then we see them run out scared. It's kind of something out like, you know, you would see in the movie signs. You know, like, and like, Sean Malint, that. scene totally what it reminded me of right yeah totally so we didn't know what to make of it you know angel came out and did a whole video he gave an explanation last year and then that was the end of it

they don't want to do any interviews no one knew what to say or if it was real enter scottor so a few months ago scott order was approached by ross coldhart actually um he and ross are friends because scott roder has done work in australia where of course Ross resides and, you know, does work there and everything. And Scott does work there as a crime scene reconstruction expert. He does work all around the world, actually. South Africa, he worked on the Oscar Pistorius case. You remember him, the Olympian.

They called him the Blade Runner. And he got accused of killing his wife. So he's kind of like this world-renowned crime scene reconstruction expert. So Ross knew that Scott was, you know, kind of into aliens on the side. You know, he's curious about it. So Ross said, hey, have you seen this thing in Las Vegas? You know, what do you think about this video? So Scott ended up doing his own, and Scott explains this when I spoke to him, by the way.

So if you haven't heard that on the episode, Scott can probably explain it better than I can if you go back and listen. But he went back and looked at the video and kind of used his tools with his investigative team to break down that video, that home video that was taken on the cell phone to say, is this a real video? And the answer was yes. So according to Scott Roder, he says, and this appeared on News Nation, like this one reported on. Yeah. And he was on with, I want to give credit, but I forget the guy's name, Jim Quirk, maybe. I'm not sure if I'm saying his name. I think you are correct.

I think so, right? But so he was on with him and talked about it a little bit. And Scott came on with me and explained all this and said, hey, look, I was able to show that there are eight foot. beans in this backyard. It's not a shadow that's coming over the fence. That's a cloaked being. It's using some type of cloaking device. So

he was on the show. He was on UAP and we went over this and it's fascinating. Like it brought me back to the Vegas case. I was kind of don't want it to be on to you. Oh, yeah. It brought me back to it because of what he's presenting. Like this guy's the real deal. He knows what he's talking about and how to break the stuff down. Wow.

So he has video that you can see. of him breaking it down and showing, okay, this is a shadow being, right? I think I saw some of that on News Nation. I believe I made a video about that too. Yeah, that's fascinating. So where's it out now?

Where, as the case stands now, like, what's happening? So we're at right now, as of today, when you and I are speaking, Scott is not done with this yet. He actually showed me, and I hate doing that because I feel like I, you know, here's the fishing line, here's the bait, you know what I mean?

but I'm just telling you how it is. He's showing me what else they found in this video. Yeah, okay. Dude, this is an alien. I mean, I was going to come out and say it. It is the clearest picture. It's actually kind of frightening. I'm not going to lie to.

I was freaked out. Wow. Okay, so let me, can I give you a little backstory on this? Yeah. So, after I had Scott on the show, our interview went great. I'm not petting myself on the back. It was just one of those things where we clicked.

Go ahead. You can. You can't. I hate doing that. Oh, you know, we clicked and everything just went great in an interview. He loved talking about it all and everything like that.

So we just kind of hit it off to where we ended up speaking after the show, right? He called me. We talked more about everything. And there was one night, probably about a week after we spoke. He pha-time to me. And I haven't spoken about this anywhere else, actually. So this is an exclusive about how all this came about.

Breaking news, people. Here we go. He phacetime me and said, he's like, Steven, you have to see what I'm seeing. He's like, because when I was on your show, I mentioned that we have more work to do on this. We have proven, again, these are Scott's words. We've proven that there is some type of non-human intelligence in that backyard.

He's like, there's no doubt about it. It's not a fake video. something there and they experienced it. And he said, I can, we prove that with our evidence recreation technology, AI technology that they used to, you know, basically take out any other possibilities. He mentions the opacity. I know this is kind of technical. But he said, yeah, you know, basically the shadow area, which is the alien head over the fence

that has only 33% opacity where everything else is like 100%. So he's like, you know, that proves that there's something there. but it's being cloaked. So he's like, we've proven. I actually asked him on the show. I said, Scott, if you were in the courtroom setting, like you're used to being in. He's in Australia right now as we speak and doing a case.

And I said, if you're in a courtroom setting and this was the case, would you go up in front of a court of law, in front of a jury, and make the case for this and say, this Vegas case is real? His answer was, yes, 100%. It's like, there is no doubt. From my experience, from what I found, the sim talking. But when I found

my team and I have discovered he's saying this is real. There was an alien in that backyard. So fast forward now, about a week after we spoke, he's like, look, there's more stuff in this video. I'm going to come out

with it later because I have this case in Australia. I got to come back and work on it more. And what we do, I'm going to release what else we found. What else he found is what he's showed me over FaceTime. And this is an alien face. It's,

I'm like getting chills right now even thinking about. I'm not, I'm not going to lie. I was sitting in another room in my house talking to him because I have wife and kids and it was like at 7.30 at night. So every day, it's an active household at 7.30 at night.

Totally. Totally. So I was like, look, I got to go to another room and talk to this guy. It's like a serious conversation. I came out of the room and my wife looked at me and this is this has never happened before where I've gotten off the phone with somebody. And I've had some pretty heavy conversations like with Anthony Williams we were talking about before.

And she looked at me, she's like, are you okay? I'm like, and I was speechless. I just shook my head. I'm like, it was just a lot in the conversation. That's what I told her. She's like, yeah, I can tell. And I was just so, because I was freaked out. I mean, even thinking about it now, it's freaky.

He's showing me an up close. The screenshot? It's like a screenshot. In the same video that the mom shot. Right. Somewhere in this video, there's more, they found something else. In the background. It's a face of an alien. Yeah.

What does it look like? How would you describe this face? Triangle face almost like a classic gray. Oh, okay. Okay. I see. You know, like that elongated face. You know what I mean? Yeah. But almost more triangle-ish.

It was weird. Wow. So, you know, I like pointy, like pointy, like pointy, almost. Yeah. Like, it wasn't, you know, because the grays and even the tall grays, which in this case, you would think it was a tall gray, right? We're talking about eight foot beams. So they would have.

Abundance, right? Yeah. Right. You know, where they would have that elongated face, you know, skinny here, a boldest head. Yeah. This was more triangleish, which makes, and I just thought about this right now where we're talking about it. Are we talking about some type of, you know, mantis? this mantoid type of

alien then and not a gray? What if there's multiple there on scene I mean right? Why does it have to be just the one like I just that's interesting. I just thought about that because

when he showed me to the picture it freaked me on so much I almost didn't want to see it anymore so I was trying to put it out of my mind but now as I'm talking about it and thinking back on it it was like this triangle of shape so I wonder Maybe that wasn't a gray. I don't know.

And he's going to release this to the public. Yes. You said, oh, it had big eyes. Yeah. Was there any color to it? It was kind of like a thermal view. So it's... How close up?

Like, was it the whole frame of your phone? Or was it like in the distance or, you know what I mean? You had to zoom in on it or like... Like, they zoomed into where it was like this. Got it. So pretty close. Got it. Wow, dude.

And you could definitely see structure of a face, like, without a doubt. 100%. It's like if you're looking at a picture on somebody's phone of a guy in his family. Could you see detail of skin and everything? Not really. It was more of just like a... I don't even know if I'm using the right word when I say thermal. It was...

I guess that's the right word for it because it was like heat. It looked like heat signatures. Got it. Got it. I see what you're saying. Sure, like predator in the movie like predator like that. Like, okay. Right. And I haven't said this anywhere else. Wow. You know, stepping on Scott's investigation or what he's going to put out there. But I mean, I. Well, that photo is what every everybody's going to want to see that photo now. Right. Like that's it. That's that's the meat. Well, that's crazy. That's cool. Well, and he's going to have all this stuff to back it up. Right. It's not like he's just.

Right. Whatever. Right. So. Yeah. Showing how he. got to that point, right? And so how certain he is of what it is in that photo, right? That that's also, because you can have the screenshot in the picture and you developed it and you got it, but then determining what it is, how? What kind of technology do we possess to determine that? No, that's a hundred percent my thought process too. So he has his own show. So I'm not trying to steal his thunder. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Wow. That's, that's, I look forward to that. he's gonna know me too and he's gonna when are we thinking on this like soon like a month like a we

you know next year i'm i'm hoping late june or early july just from when he told me because you know the cases he was working on the criminal cases he's working on but what he really wants to do it which is this so he has it kind of all ready to go he just needs to get put the final touches on it and present yes essentially yeah i get it i totally get my my my my plan is once he's gotten all buttoned up and he's presented the way he's wanted to present it on his own terms you're going to have him on again right i'd love to right i want to have him back on and actually ask just that what you were saying walk us through it put up the image walk us through it how is this real tell us how you got this and show us the process the evidence gathering process

the forensic evidence that you use to get this picture can't wait to see this this is exciting yeah that's exciting man that's exciting um wow that's cool i mean good luck with that. That sounds great. I'm definitely going to be following that. Tag me on Twitter so I know when it's happening. I definitely want to know. I'll make a video on that. That's super cool. It's so funny how some things can seemingly die off and then something comes back to bring it, you know, back around. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I'm looking forward to that. People wrote it off. Don't write it off, folks. We don't know. Look, let's, I think this, last topic here will bring up that I want to bring up with you, which is, I think, initially

when we were going to do this, it was on Twitter, and I know Michael Herrera came up. And I haven't interviewed Michael Herrera personally, but I interviewed Joey is not my name, who did Michael Herrera's investigation, sort of like independent investigation. And then that led me to Nathan, who was Michael's team leader during that time that they were in the military together. And up until this point, that is the only interview Nathan has done. And really the only person connected to Michael in any way that has done an interview. But I know, I remember somewhere in the tweets, it was like, hey, I'd love to talk to you about Michael Herrera and, you know, this, that, the other. So like, what's, I don't know, let's just jump into it.

What do you think of, have you interviewed Michael Herrera before? Yeah. Yeah, we've done two different interviews, I believe, and they were both last year. There was, the first one was after, if you remember, the disclosure. The press club? Yeah. Yes. Or yeah, yeah, yeah, the Dr. Greer's, was that in June or July?

It was right around David Grush's testimony, wasn't it? It was. Oh, right. Yeah, exactly. Almost in the same time frame. It was June of 2023. Okay. It was like right after David Grush came out.

And, boy, I can't believe those a year ago. My gosh. Crazy, right? Time flies, bro. So unreal. How much has happened in a year? I know. I know.

But so I'm at this conference and invited by a couple of people who were involved with Danny Sheehan at the time and Stephen Greer, some of the things that were going on then last June. And I was like, sure, you know, I'll come and see what this is. I didn't know what to expect. And there I saw Michael Herrera along with D.C. Long and Eric Hecker and all these different guys who were at that conference. And from there, I'm like, I have to talk with Michael Herrera. And apparently he doesn't do a lot of interviews, which I didn't know at the time. But I was fortunate enough that he said yes to me. I don't know why.

He said he just felt like he could trust talking to me. Thank you. That's awesome. So him and I spoke back in June for the first time. obviously, you know, we're familiar with his story. And then we spoke again in October, I think it was, of 2023. And that went even further in depth where he was talking about, you know, being taken to a black site, being shown where these experiments are happening on people. They're taking people from third world countries with psionic abilities and using these people to take down UFOs and make psychic connections with aliens and bringing down the crafts to we reverse engineer them.

just incredible claims. And his original claim that you spoke to Nathan about where, you know, he came across this floating UFO in the jungles when they were on this mission. So that's kind of the background there. I spoke to a couple of times. And I know you spoke to Nathan and there's some differing opinions there. So it's been pretty interesting. Yeah.

What did you think of Nathan's testimony? I'm curious. Honestly, I didn't know what to think of it. Um, it was, it was startling because when I heard it, I'm like, geez, you know, this guy knows Mike. And I feel like I know Mike pretty well now because even outside of the two times that we spoke on UAP, he and I had numerous phone conversations, like 45 minute, hour long conversations. I'm like, I feel like I have a pretty good handle on who Michael Herrera is. And I feel like he's coming from a place of sincerity. Yeah. Which was a big deal for me because these are incredible claims. Sure. You know, secret government's experiments and reverse engineering programs and all these different things. So when I heard Nathan come out and say that basically Michael's making it up, I'm like, well, shoot, I hope that's not the case. Like, I've never felt that way.

So I texted Michael. I think a couple of days after Nathan appeared on your show. And I asked him like, hey, look, what do you think? Now, Michael doesn't really want to do a lot of appearances. I've asked him a bunch of times, dude, come back on the show and he basically just doesn't answer. He's like, no, I'm good. Like a couple of times just like, you know, not right now. I'm just really busy.

But other times it's like, oh, no answer. Okay, I get it. You don't want to do it anymore. But we went back and forth a little bit when it came to Nathan. And what he said was, and I made a little video about this on Twitter. So again, I apologize if I'm repeating myself, anybody saw it. But Mike's response is essentially Nathan is a liar. and Nathan, and he hate each other.

And Nathan basically is, this is all Mike. This isn't me. Nathan's saying that, you know, basically Nathan's trying to tear down Mike because he's jealous of Mike and his success and wants to tear him down and make him seem like the liar. And Mike says he has all the proof on his side. And Nathan has nothing. They only ran one mission together.

And he's just trying to tear him down. So that was Mike's explanation. And I just, you know, I kind of went with that because I don't know how Nathan came across to you. I never spoken to Nathan. I don't know, you know, how you felt when speaking to him, if it was believable or if he was a guy who had a grudge. So I can only go based off of what, you know, my experience with Mike. Sure.

I mean, I met Nathan through Joey is not my name. And he really wanted to hear Nathan's like full testimony. And I don't know. He just asked, hey, would you want to go on Patrick's show? and he showed him the first video I made. And Nathan, this is what Nathan told me. He's like, oh, yeah, I saw the video. I was like, oh, okay, good production.

He's like, screw it. I'm tired of answering, trying to answer people in YouTube comments. And I'm going to find, I'm just, I think I was just right place, right time. I don't think it was me specifically. I think he was just ready to finally tell his story. And, you know, Joey is not my name asked him. And he came on and we spoke. And we barely spoke before we.

recorded the interview, if that makes sense. Like we spoke a little bit on Facebook Messenger, and then we just jumped in. Yeah. I just, there was no, you know, fluff to it. It was, it was all basically what you see. I put basically everything in that video, just cutting out stupid

ums and, you know, stuff in between that didn't matter. Uh, but the meat and potatoes was all there. Um, I mean, if I'm being honest with myself, and this is only because I haven't spoken to Michael. I felt Nathan was very credible, my opinion.

He felt like guys that I've worked with in the past in kitchens. You know, I'm an ex-chef. Just no bullshit dudes. Ex-military just, I could just tell right away. My father was in the Air Force. I have a lot of family members in the military. I can just tell right away, oh shit. This guy's like real Marine.

This guy's like, no BS. Yeah, that doesn't mean, you know, he doesn't have a little bit of, you know, a grudge. or a chip or this or that or I don't know that that I can't that's too hard for me to judge right um I'm more just concerned with I was more concerned with just letting him tell his side of the story which is why I want to have Michael on let him tell his side of the story and then people decide and you know that's all it was um and Nathan told his side and I let him tell it and I tried to ask the questions I thought what do I believe I don't really I don't know you know I don't know dude But I would love to talk to Michael.

Yeah, it's a tough one. Again, it's the same thing with like Jason Stance. Like if I'm going to believe Michael, then I have to believe this whole other thing that comes with it. Yeah. Right. And I have to assume all of this is true. And that's just a lot to take in.

Yeah. There's a lot of holes there. And I don't know, man. You know, at the end of the day, I just, I just want to present things like we basically, like you said at the very beginning, present things out. let people decide for themselves, you know, try to give the, you know, details or whatever,

and just let people decide for themselves, you know. Is Michael's story fascinating? Absolutely. Right. Right. Is it intriguing? 100%. Yeah.

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's really hard, you know, I honestly don't even know what else is saying on it because. What is there to say? It's like it just stands what it is. They give their, we weren't there. We weren't there. What do we know, right?

It's like, you know, I'm sure Michael's a nice guy. I'm sure, like, I don't want any part of any beef. You know, I don't have beef with either of the guys. Right. Nathan. Right. Or with Michael. I don't, you know, I'm sure Michael's not happy with vetted and with me and feels

on this, that, the other. And I can't control what people think of me, you know, essentially. And when you put stuff out. So I get it. But I did. try to get Michael on. So, you know, what else can I do at that point? I hope he doesn't take it personally.

That's it. Yeah, I just, I hope he doesn't take it personally. So I don't mean it personally. No, no, for sure. And I know it's, yeah, I mean, it's hard because, you know, there's two guys who are really adamant about their stories and adamant about their stances. Yeah.

And maybe what Nathan is saying is, you know, is his truth. You know what I mean? Maybe there's two versions of the truth. I don't know. 100%. It could be. You know, maybe so he's coming from a place of sincerity, the same place that Mike is. You know, Mike has a different version of things and has had different things happen to him.

Again, this is just me speaking personally in the conversations I've had with my career on and off the show. Totally. it's hard for me to dismiss what he's saying because of the conversations that we've had. I think he's coming from a place of sincerity. And as incredible as his claims are, I think he's telling the truth about what he's experienced. Because that's just my feel. You know what I mean?

Well, but you've had personal conversations. Like, I get it. That's a big difference to somebody just seeing him in interviews, which is why I wanted to talk to him too, because just seeing interviews, you just don't, it's not the same thing. Right. You know, talking to somebody. It's true.

And I think that's why I feel that way, because what would somebody like Michael Herrera have to gain by talking to me on the phone to convince me of his story? Like coming on the show and trying to convince somebody of something so you can make money off of it, that's a different story, right? But there's two things to that. Number one, Mike doesn't need money. at all. And number two,

he didn't do that. Like, he wasn't trying to make any money off of being on my show by any means. He wasn't trying to raise anything. There wasn't any type of crowdsourcing or anything like that, a crowdfunding going on. And if he was doing that, then why would he spend hours on the phone with me

in personal conversations? For what? What does he have to gain by trying to convince me of something? And I mean, that's just my opinion. That's just the way I look at it. So I guess that's just how I try to justify by an incredible situation in my own head.

I get it. I get it, man. Absolutely. Yeah, no, his story's fascinating. His story's fascinating. I'm glad we talked about him and Nathan. It was good to get your reaction to that. I don't get to talk to too many people about that.

Other creators, you know, when you're doing an interview. Because as you know, no matter how you think an interview went, there's always going to be people later on. You didn't ask this question. You didn't do this. You didn't say that. You didn't get to, you know, okay, dude. Right.

What the hell, man. I, you know, I'm trying my best here, you know. Actually, on that note, real quick, before we go, because I know we've spoken for a while. And I love talking to you, man. So thanks for having me on. It's been a lot of fun. No, this has been awesome. Oh, that's great.

But I want to mention something because I don't want people to come at you and say, well, why ain't you asking this? Because there's a question that I get. for the past year now, and it's my own fault. There's no one to blame but me. There's a question that I get, and I'll take the blame on it, about a video that I came out with last July,

I think it was. And maybe it was when I first started to get, I hate to say the term notice, like I'm famous or something, but when people started to maybe pick up on who I was or pick up on the show over. Sure. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, yeah.

I put out this video saying that there is going to be raids on black site, these government black sites that were holding reverse engineer technology, that there were going to be these like special forces raids and they were going to come in. And they were going to, you know, take the technology and show it and prove it. And that was information that was given to me last year around the time of the Disclosure Conference. So use your imagination. Okay. That raid never happened.

So when I came out with that video last July, the timeline I was given was the raid was going to happen in September of 2023. And this is the first time I've spoken about this, by the way, since I made that video last year. And I still get called out to this day on Twitter by people saying, where's your raids, Stephen? Huh? Where's your raids? And it's like, guys, it's not my raids. Okay. It's just something I was told about.

I'm sorry. But I still get that blue alien thing. I still get it. So I get it. Like it'll never go away. It'll never go away. And this is why when I said earlier, it's like my biggest fear is I'm going to be given information that is incorrect or purposely incorrect to make me look bad or anything like that.

And I don't know if that's what happened here with the raids for what I've been told. Or it got canceled. Like it was going to happen, but it just for whatever reason. Yeah. Listen, what made me so confidence enough to come out on video. I did like a 15 minute video. I spoke way too long about it. It was like a 15 minute video where I said what was being planned that they were going to go into these sites and do all the stuff and take the technology and whatnot.

And it was going to happen in September. It never happened. But the reason why I felt so confident is because I was shown conversations. screenshots of conversations from the people who were planning this these were Patrick these were real conversations

this wasn't just like someone whispered in my ear and said hey Stephen there's going to be raids pass it on like I was showing pages of conversations showing that this was going in to happen and that this was in the planning stages and I'm like can I talk about this and I was told yeah go ahead talk about it, but you can't just give like too many specifics on it.

So that's what I did. And it never happened. And maybe it's for the better. I don't know because it was going to get pretty bad according to the plans anyway. And it hasn't happened. Now, is that to say that it won't happen? I don't know. Apparently it's still an idea that's floated out there.

But I'm not coming out anymore and saying that it's going to happen. All I'm going to say is that it's an. it's an idea that's still being floated around and whether or not it happens is beyond me. So I just wanted to put that out there. Was that the same person that like gave my, you know, that met Michael Herrera there? Like, is that the same insider? Um, that's not where I got the information from. I think what it turned into was guys like that were going to help.

but that's not where it came from originally. If that makes sense. Yeah, for sure. Like, do you want to say, like, I don't know, maybe you've spoken about this. You haven't, I don't know, I'm just curious. Like you were at this conference and they approached you. Someone came up and approached you and said, hey, I've got this information or? It was actually after the conference.

It was maybe about a month after. Okay. So you get like an email. Yeah. Of sorts. Got it. Pretty much. You know, written communication.

written communication email text showing hey take a look at this you know someone you know or you didn't know someone that I ended up

knowing after the conference and you know we got to a point where we were talking enough to where there was trust there and they said hey I want to let you went on something

yeah okay do you still use that source to this day I keep in touch with them, but I don't really use them very much anymore. Because you feel burned by the Ray thing a little bit. I don't blame you, dude.

I would feel a little bit. Even though there's all these things that we said, right? Like it could be this, it could be that. It could still happen. I get like personally, right? You'd be like, damn it, dude, I put myself out there, right? Like, I'm stuck to it. No matter what people, no matter what people,

no matter what the truth is, people are going to associate me with this for, you know, nothing I can do about it. Yeah, and I think their heart was in the right place. I don't know if it was an intentional thing. I think they were just trying to show me like, hey, I trust you, here's what's going on and go ahead and put this out there, you know,

try to try to be the first one. Well, what did he say after it didn't happen? What did he say to you? He must have told you why it didn't, nothing. He didn't say, honestly, dude, I never even brought. it up again. Really?

I just, I was just so kind of like, not turned off, but almost in a way like, I was almost freaked out by it a little bit. Because I was like, I was kind of scared to say it in the first place because I kind of felt like it was over my,

was it over my head a little bit. Yeah. Oh, totally. You know what I mean? Like these were forces I shouldn't be messing with. So when nothing happened, I was just kind of like, I'm just going to leave it alone.

I'm going to pretend like whenever you had this conversation. Sure. No, well, I appreciate you explaining it. I think some people can relate, you know, your human being, you're trying to, you know, bring people information and some things are just, it happens sometimes. Yeah. It's just part of the game. So, no, man.

Well, look, this has been awesome, dude. Stephen, I've super enjoyed this conversation. I'm glad whoever suggested for us to talk. Thank you. This was awesome. I love talking about this different stuff, to be honest with you and get your. perspective and you've had your own great interviews and bringing out information and stuff and helping with this so look the fact that you're willing to just come and talk and right again like

you said i can relate to that comment that last part you know just normal guy just looking into this right just you know yeah yeah i eat my ice cream in a cone like everybody else okay uh that's a this is normal dudes here so yeah man stephen this was awesome thank you again and please everybody go check out his show go subscribe go follow him on twitter well again thank you so much for coming on stephen really appreciate it absolutely thanks for having me and there you go thanks for listening to that and again thanks to patrick on vetted for having me on it was really cool i really did enjoy that and i think he did too so um oh no hopefully that's not the last time we'll be talking i would love to get back on there and have more conversations it was it was a lot

of fun so hopefully you enjoyed it as well now before we go i did mention the post credit scene here before we got into the interview. And I just wanted to quickly talk about and touch on the fact that I spoke with Jason Sands, firsthand insider, you know, firsthand witness insider as far as NHI and government involvement and everything like that. I think we are all pretty familiar with his story. He's going to be in the James Fox documentary coming out in the next couple of months, telling his story about, you know, his face-to-face encounter with an alien in the

desert and there's a lot more to his story. So basically what happened was Jason Sands reached out to me over the weekend and we had a very long conversation, private conversation. And the reason why I wanted to mention this was because I wrote this on Twitter as well. So if you're not following along at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter is where you can find me in the show. And I wrote on there a message that he wanted me to relay. And quite frankly, I could do a two-hour episode just in the conversation that he and I had, but I was asked not to relate anything that he and I spoke about on a private phone conversation. So of course, I am going to honor that request. But there was a message that he wanted me to pass along, which was really

more of a question. He asked if I could pose the question to the audience, to you, what do you think disclosure is or should be? Where do you think it's going to end up? What do you think the next steps should be ultimately what is disclosure in your eyes and what do you think it should be and so I posed that question on Twitter and um you know gave the background like I just gave to you and Jason responded to it and it's been a very interesting conversation it's been cool to see a lot of the replies on there and if you replied you know I'm reading all those so thanks for all the replies on that and it's a really it's kind of like an existential question a little philosophical but a really, you know, deep one, an important one to consider too, as, you know, disclosure steps

continue to take place and happen. Maybe it's slow. Sometimes it feels like it's faster, and then it slows down and we hit a brick wall and then we go forward again. It's a messy situation. And it's a very, you know, the waters are muddied sometimes. And I think we all understand that and feel that. So I thought it was a good question that Jason wanted me to pose.

So I pose it here as well, like I did it on the Twitter account there. So if you'd like to follow along at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter, and I can tell you that, again, really eye-opening conversation with Jason Sands, and just know that this guy is coming from a place of sincerity, and he is who he says he is. I mean, there's no doubt about that. As far as his positions are concerned,

you can't doubt that with the paperwork that he presented me and on social media as well. So this is to be continued, I guess I can say. But I just wanted to relate that that conversation happened. happened and that that question has been posed. So follow along the show at UA Podcast 850 on Twitter, on TikTok as well, and on YouTube at UA podcast on YouTube. So a little different. There are no 850 on YouTube. So it's at UA podcast on YouTube there. And the email address, S-Dieneruap at gmail.com. A lot of you reach out to me there, and that's great. And I respond to everyone. So you can either

reach out to me on Twitter in direct message. I'll respond there. Or if you have an email you'd like to send instead, you can do that in a more direct route if you prefer that. S-Diener-D-I-E-N-E-R-U-A-P at Gmail.com. And, of course, continue to subscribe and download the podcast. I really truly appreciate all of that. Thank you so much for everybody who finds this podcast to be worthy of your time, to find this show and this discussions and these discussions that we have to be worthy of your time.

in your day. I really, really appreciate it and much more to come. There's a lot more on the back burner for UAP. So stick around for future episodes of the original UAP and UAP weekly. I'll keep you updated. And be sure to check out Patrick, like I said earlier, on his vetted podcast on YouTube. He's awesome. And I look forward to speaking with him again soon. So check his stuff out too and subscribe and follow along on his YouTube, vetted VETT-T-E-D. But until next time and all those things coming up And Stephen Dean, you're here saying thank you again so much. And I look forward to coming back to talk to you again soon with more updates and new episodes right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. Until then, be well and thanks.

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