UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 6-20-24 UFOs and World Affairs - A New Discussion with Nick Pope

Episode Date: June 20, 2024

Nick Pope of Ancient Aliens fame joins Stephen Diener once again on UAP. This time, they discuss why England is drafting a paper on alien life discovery, Japan's renewed interest on the topic within their government, and how this issue might play in the upcoming US presidential election. Plus so much more. Listen here...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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coming out on thursday and gosh darn it i'm going to deliver that so that's exactly what we're doing here today nick pope of course some ancient aliens and ancient aliens live and and worked with the British Ministry of Defense, covered a lot of different cases during his day there. So obviously you know who Nick Pope is. I think you do. But if you didn't, now you do. And he's a big name in this community.

So I'm always very happy and very excited when he agrees to come back on here. I believe this is maybe the fifth or sixth time that he's appearing on the show. And he's just fantastic. I love talking to Nick. He's a great guy, met him in person and everything like that. So he's fantastic to speak with. and a wealth of knowledge. And today what we're going to talk about is actually one of the cases he worked on,

the Calvin UFO incident. And if you're not really familiar with that, we go into detail there because this is something from about 30 or so years ago, probably, I think even more. And it was a case that Nick worked on while he worked at the British Ministry of Defense. And it's something that has resurfaced as of late. So we get into the Calvin UFO incident. It's a fascinating story. and what's going on with it right now is also fascinating.

We also get into some of the things having to do with possible October surprises. I know I've talked about that. And as well as, you know, should this be an election issue? Will it be an election issue as we move forward through the cycle here this year leading up to election day? And we get into all of the things that have been happening in the UFO, UAP world as of late, including something that I haven't got to bring up very much. But I'm glad I got to mention it to Nick. what Japan is doing actually.

Their UFO caucus that just took place recently. So we talk about how Japan's interest in the UFO discussion has now taken on to a national and federal level for them, as well as what's happening in England and their paper that they're getting ready to release on how they would handle discovery of alien life. A lot of really interesting tidbits here and a lot of other things that have been going on behind the scenes and in the news with UAPs. So without further ado, this one's a shorty. Nick didn't have a whole bunch of time. I know normally I go a little bit longer with him, but he was kind of time constrained

this time around. So I'm going to get right into it. This newest interview with Nick Pope. It's a short one, but there's a lot in it. It's not about the quantity sometimes. It's about the quality. It's a lot of good stuff here in a short amount of time with Nick Pope. Enjoy.

And welcome back to the one only Nick Pope from ancient aliens. and so many other things that he's known for. Nick, thanks so much for coming back again on TWAP. It's great to have you back. Thanks, Stephen. Thank you for having me. Yeah, of course. Anytime.

And there's a lot to get to here in a short amount of time. I know you have other engagements today. So we're going to try to fit as much as we can in here to the time that we have today. First thing I got to get to, though, is kind of takes us back to one of your original assignments in the Calvin UFO incident. This continues to really kind of come up. For anybody who may not know about it, can you give a little background and why it's come up again all these years later? Sure. This was a very interesting case we had at the UK Ministry of Defense.

August 1990, two people in Scotland saw a large diamond-shaped UFO being circled apparently by two military jets. clear if they were escorting it or attempting to intercept it. At one point, the object then just disappeared upwards, vertically at high speed. So we had six photographs, which we had acquired from the witnesses. I won't go into all the details of what happened, but essentially the story was killed. A Scottish newspaper had these photographs and was going to run them and was, for

a number of reasons, that didn't happen. The pictures disappeared for years. A couple of years ago, a retired Royal Air Force press officer called Craig Lindsay came forward with one image which he said

was one of the six original pictures. Now, the Ministry of Defense has not commented on that to authenticate it, but it has, whether it's, it's real or not, and I, I can't comment either, given that the Ministry of Defense hasn't commented. Irrespective of that, it's catapulted the story back into the public eye. I first wrote about this in as far back as 1996, the UFO community had never heard of it and were like, what, what is this case? And now, you know, people can't get enough of it. And it's, it's,

slightly, I think there's a slight danger. It's, it's descending into friend of a friend territory. Some, some euphologists in the UK and they're sort of over eagerness to write themselves into the story, a kind of, you know, recycling this and it's, it's like, you know, wash, rinse, repeat. But it is a fascinating case. And, yeah, there is more to come. I think, oh, a little teaser there too. I think what made people so fascinated by it to begin with was when those original pictures came out, right? Because it's really, if you've never seen the pictures, I'll be sure to tweet it out as well. But I'm sure if you're listening, you've probably seen the Calvin UFO. It's one of the clearest pictures to date that never got published. I mean, am I wrong about that?

No, you're right, but it's ironic. There are three images. one of them is a CGI recreation, although, because I've seen all six originals, I can testify it's a very accurate CGI recreation. The second one is the Craig Lindsay image, which, as I say, is a very interesting image, but the Ministry of Defense have not confirmed whether it is or isn't one of the originals. The irony is that the third image we have looks almost cartoonish. It's a photocopy of a view foil. But that's the only one that's 100% genuine. And it actually comes from one of the declassified Ministry of Defense UFO files. How about that? And what about some of the rumors that surrounded the guys who originally saw this? The rumors that, you know, they disappeared and

all those different things. What ended up happening to the original witnesses there? Yes, there are one or two, I think, rather colorful interpretations doing the rounds. I mean, people think that we sort of made the witnesses disappear. And yes, in one sense we did, but that, you know, I've used the phrase, we killed the story, but not the witnesses. I mean, some of the rumors are getting frankly rather silly. The British government doesn't go around, you know, assassinating UFO witnesses. Right. There are ways to kill stories which are perfectly legal and don't hurt anyone. So, No, we didn't do anything bad to the witnesses. Okay, good to know.

Good to know. You weren't like James Bond out there, right? No. An Asian going after people. Okay, that's good. So why was the story killed, though? Was it just because they weren't ready for the blowback? Was it just too much to deal with?

Well, I can't go into too many details on this, but the date should be a big clue. Frankly, this sighting took place two days after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. A lot of things were going on in terms of military preparations, particularly on the special forces side, that may or may not be the explanation for this. But again, you know, the date, I think is a fairly big clue as to what we might be looking at here. Yeah, it's a really, you know, interesting perspective that doesn't really get talked about a lot. So that's good. Let me ask you this, Nick, and this is kind of like, I don't know, kind of like on the silly end of things, but I wanted to give you a chance to speak on it.

Why are people on social media and even some other, you know, names in the UFO community say, why did they say you're a Fed and that you're not who you say you are? You never work for the UK government and the Ministry of Defense. What is happening? Well, it's bizarre. I've actually studied conspiracy theories in quite some detail and written about them for a number of, newspapers and other publications. Conspiracy theories tend to be, one of the things about them is that they're mutually contradictory. So, for example, when you look at 9-11 and Osama bin Laden, some conspiracy theories say that he wasn't killed by the U.S. government in the Special Forces raid,

which pretty much is accepted was when they took him down. But other people say he was already dead and that maybe there was a CIA plant and maybe it was an actor, all that sort of thing. So frankly, a lot of these conspiracy theories don't make sense. When it comes to my own position, it's bizarre. Some people say, I never worked at the Ministry of Defense on UFOs at all. other people say, I'm still working for them and never really left. And that my role is to infiltrate the UFO community and to ramp up the threat level using my mainstream media platform. Well, in a sense, it's easier to disprove the former conspiracy theory than the latter.

I mean, you know, there are probably hundreds of people who worked with me at the Ministry of Defense. There's an official statement on the UK Parliament website, official website of British Parliament. When somebody asked the Secretary of Defence, what my role was between 1991 and 1994, and it states that my role included investigation of UAP. But over and above that, there are probably hundreds of declassified documents about. the National Archives, many of which I wrote, setting out my research and investigation. So that conspiracy theory is easy to disprove. It's more difficult to disprove the one that I've never really left and I'm still secretly working for them because that falls into that kind of trap that you can't prove a

negative. I mean, how could I prove that I'm no longer secretly working for the government or the deep state? I mean, I could, not that I would, but, you know, I could find some independent arbiter and give them access to my bank statements. But that wouldn't do any good because they would just say, well, you're being paid into a different account or somebody's giving you cash in a brown envelope or something. So it's frankly, I've given up trying to, a, keep up with what people say about me in the blog. a spher and B, kind of respond to it all because, like I say,

not only is it kind of often crazy and demonstrably wrong, but it's, it's often contradictory. So, yeah, some people say this, some people say that. The truth,

as always, is in the middle. I'm not some sort of, you know, Walter Mitty character who's invented my past. Neither am I some sort of sinister James Bond villain. I was a middle-ranking government employee who happened to be given the job for researching and investigating UAP to assess defense, national security and safety of flight implications. I mean, it's not rocket science.

It's there on the British Parliament website and in the national archives for everyone to see. Well, listen, take it or leave it, all right? You heard it from Nick right here himself. So I appreciate you clear in the air on that, Nick. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brook Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy-to-run email and social media campaigns.

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in the uk because i find this really interesting and we'll connect it to what's happening in in japan as well in a minute so there was a report that that came out and i think you even talked about it on on social media that says the uk government is coming out with some type of hypothesis or research paper in july that's going to state how the they would handle disclosure. So what to what end are they doing this and how is that going to look? Right. Yeah.

This is, interestingly, it's not being run by the Ministry of Defense, but for the Department for Science, Innovation, and Technology. So it is a government department in the UK, but it's not the one you would expect. And it's not strictly true to say that it's a plan to, to deal with disclosure, although it could be used for that purpose. It is being billed as a study to consider how the British government might announce the discovery of extraterrestrial life. And what they've said as their start point is, look, a lot of things are going on,

for example, in astrobiology right now. and specifically with the James Webb Space Telescope, the search for a biosignature, the search for a techno signature. So the British government is basically saying, well, okay, but what if we find it? Then what do we do? How do we announce it?

And do we have a contingency plan for any of this in terms of societal impact of announcing that we found aliens? So a small study is currently, underway and is due to report by, well, end of July, although I'm hearing some rumors that it's perhaps going to be a little delayed. Now, I obtained, there's only one piece of formal paperwork which has been published on this, which is the one-page scoping plan for the study. In other words, saying what this study is, what it's going to do when it's going to report, what it's going to consider.

And I obtained and published that one-page scoping study report on my Twitter feed actually about two or three weeks ago. And that's about all we have. So obviously a lot of journalists, I spoke, I did quite a lot of interviews on it in the media, TV, radio, newspapers, etc. but until we get the study itself, and there's no presumption by the way that the British government is going to publish this.

It was designed for internal purposes only. But I think because I obtained and published the scoping study, I think it's going to be very hard for them not to publish the report because there's enormous, there's going to be enormous media and public pressure to release it. But we'll see. So watch this space as we move into July and beyond. Yeah, for sure. I think there's still going to be, you know, a lot of talk about disclosure subjects moving through the summer and into the fall, it seems.

So, but it is interesting, right? And that's when people see something like that, it kind of perks the years a little bit and you start to think. You know, why would they even have this paper? Well, exactly. And I said at the outset, it's not configured on disclosure. it's configured more on what happens, for example, if James Webb find something. But the great thing about having that plan is that as long as it's written properly, and it should cover all possible scenarios, James Webb detecting a strong evidence of a biosignature or a techno signature, like a Dyson sphere, for example. We can come on to that in a minute because there's been a lot of talk on that in the last few days.

SETI picking up a signal from another civilization. discovering microbial life in our own solar system, or something more up close and personal, whether that's disclosure, something like Galileo Project, finding evidence of a probe, another Omuamua type object, for example, or however the scenario is, a proper study into societal impact and contingency plans should cover all the basis. Now, it's also interesting is when you kind of put this together with Japan. So if you saw what was happening in Japan over the past week or so, they came out with their first ever, what was called the UFO caucus.

And, you know, they listed some help of different researchers and things like that. So I just find it interesting. Now, there wasn't a lot that came out from there as far as, you know, new reports and things like that. But when you see different countries, right, what the UK is doing, like you said, with this paper and, you know, how would they handle the, you know, discovery of life. Then you have Japan starting to take these things more seriously than in previous years. And it's announced. You know, it's, it's a big deal. So what are we to make of these big world

governments kind of coming out and saying, yeah, we are, you know, publicly looking into this? Japan's interesting. I mean, it's interesting for two reasons. Firstly, of course, when one looks at the threat posed by China, you know, in whether it's the South China Sea, the Spratleys or elsewhere. Japan is inevitably going to be a big player in that whole geopolitical situation. You know, Thailand, whatever. It's just in terms of big powers in the region that have an interest in all this. So, for example, advances in Chinese drone technology, particularly ones launched, for example,

from naval assets, be they submarines or surface. vessels, that's going to be a big thing. But people have maybe forgotten. Two or three years ago, the, well, SEC DEF, US SEK DEF, met his opposite number in Japan. And they issued a one or two page summary, agreed by both parties as to what was discussed. And UAP was on it. And a number of people asked for further details of the specifics. And DOD did not elaborate, and neither to the best of my knowledge, did the Japanese government. But we know that bilateral talks, we know because of that summary, which, and I don't know how many other nations have had such discussions, but maybe they got a bit burnt by that and stopped putting it in these bilaterally agreed summaries. But

UAP definitely came up in these discussions between, I think it was ESPA and his opposite Japanese number. So in many ways, that's a continuation of a process that has been quietly underway for some years now. So I know we only have about five minutes left, Nick. So I'll kind of try to put it all together here with this question. We look at what Japan's doing, right? We look at the report that just came out from the Daily Mail, what was it, a few days ago, I think, about last week about the Pentagon official talking about this, you know, blue UFO, shiny blue light, it has seven minute an encounter.

You have Dr. Michael Masters from Harvard coming out with this paper. They got a lot of national attention last week where it says that, you know, aliens might be here the entire time, different types of extraterrestrials, whether interdimensional or not. And it's all kind of, even Donald Trump was speaking about Air Force pilots talking to him about sightings just last week on a different podcast. So when you have all these things coming out really within a week in a few days of each other, one after the other, like a domino effect. Should we look into that and say, hmm, I wonder why all this is kind of coming out at the same time. Is this a slow drip? Is this kind of like a let's get people used to it as we get closer and closer to maybe revealing something or is it just coincidence? Well, it could be coincidence, but in my government training,

I was taught not to believe in coincidence. I was told to look for this as being, you know, a pattern. And so it's a question of joining the dots. And we've discussed some stories and you've named checked some, but there are some other ones as well. So I mentioned very briefly, a couple of scientific papers out there. You mentioned the Harvard one about aliens among us. I think that was more of a thought experiment, but it's important in terms of kick-starting a wider conversation in the scientific and academic community. Also, there have been a couple of papers about possible detection of Dyson spheres looking at some of the infrared data. But a couple of things to watch for as we move forward, volume two of Arrow's historic record review should drop any time now. that will almost certainly be like volume one, very skeptical.

I and others have characterized this as the empire strikes back, but that will be one of the next things to drop. And as we move forward into the debates and into the presidential election proper, watch for whether this does or does not become a campaign issue. There are already people saying, wouldn't it be good if we could get questions about UAP into at least one of the debates? I don't know whether that will happen or not, but as you mentioned, President Trump slipped it into an interview again last week, not for the first time. He did it a couple of times when he was actually serving as president.

And so the question arises, does Biden get another term? Does Trump come back in? Does that make a difference in terms in terms? of policy on UAP and disclosure. And, you know, and I'm sure we'll discuss this again as some of these things actually drop, but perhaps a thought to leave people with is whether UAP might turn out to be the ultimate October surprise. Hey, guys. So before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us.

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but there's so much talk about October. And like you said, does this become an election issue? I think it's a really interesting thing to kind of, you know, think about. I think it's a valid thought, right, as we move on through the election cycle. It really could be something that has talked about. And we might have some type of October surprise. and brought up by a couple of people, it really could become something. Yeah, I think so.

And I'm sure we'll talk again. And, you know, if we do another interview in a month or two from now, we hopefully will find that the volume two of Arrow's historical record review will have dropped. And we might have a clearer idea of whether UAP will or won't feature in any way, whether it's major or minor. in the presidential election campaign itself, which will be very interesting, however things pan out. Absolutely, yeah, we will definitely talk again, Nick, and so much more to get to.

So we'll do that next time around. I think so maybe a couple months down the road, and even by then, we can talk about the upcoming dates in the fall for Ancient Aliens Live, because you guys just finished up for the summer, and they have a couple months off, right? Yes, we've done, I think, 60 shows now

over the last couple of months. taking a summer break back in the fall. I think there are already 10 or 11 shows up on the ancient aliens live tour.com website and more to come. So we're going to carry on touring around the United States kind of having this discussion with people because people are fascinated not only in ancient mysteries but in the more modern aspects. And as I say, the show bridges the gap. But at the moment, yeah, we're taking, like a lot of people, we're taking a little summer break. But back in the fall, there's more to come.

Absolutely. It's like you and Georgio and the rest of the gang are the Beatles of UFOs. That's really cool. I was privileged enough to see you guys hanging out with you guys back in November in Fort Lauderdale. And I hope to do it again. I think you guys are coming back down to my area. We are coming back to Florida. We're coming to, we got a couple of.

shows in Texas. We're coming to New Orleans for the first time. It's going to be a great run of shows. Awesome. Well, we look forward to it. And I look forward to maybe seeing you guys again when you pop back down here into my area. So that'll be a lot of fun. That's great. We look forward to it. Absolutely. Nick Pope, thanks so much for coming back here on UAP. We will talk again soon and a lot more to get to next time for sure. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Always great stuff there with Nick. Always appreciate him coming on here, UAP. And, you know, there's something there that we talked about at the end

when it comes to the UAP discussion and politics, the election. And my gosh, I want to avoid talking about politics as much as possible on this show because that's not what it's about. But sometimes those two streams kind of cross each other and they become one. such as the congressional hearings, right? Or the Schumer Act in the NDAA, things like that, right? So politics or political figures at least, maybe that's a better way to put it, comes up in the UAP discussion from time to time.

And one of the things that is worth that discussion that I think I'm going to be asking more as we get closer to the election in November is should this and will this become an election issue. Now, let's face it, it may not be something that is on the mind of the general populace, right? I mean, it's not going to be a top five issue. And some people think it should be, and that's completely fine. But when it comes down to it, it's always going to come down to the same things that it comes down to in elections when it comes to international security and the economy and all those different things, right? So those are going to be the things that are on people's minds.

but the question is it's not saying that the UAP issue should take over that it's the question becomes will it become part of the conversation because don't forget you know national security is something that's been brought up before by the likes of Marco Rubio when it comes to these things that's that's been end the conversation so will it be something or should it be something that is asked about at debates that is you know brought up when it comes to to what would you do about this when it comes to the two candidates? How would you handle this, right? Now, the unique thing here in this election cycle is that we have two candidates

where we know their records on this issue and how it's been handled during their time in office. So I'm just curious to see how this kind of gets brought up, if it gets brought up, but it's something that I'm going to be paying attention to as time goes on. And as we get closer to November, I think it's a worthy. discussion to have because maybe it does get brought up, especially if there's some type of October surprise having to do with this. I know October, I keep talking about it, I keep bringing it up. And maybe nothing happens, but you heard me talk about it with Paul Heineck even. Paul He Heard, when I put that interview out a few days ago, talked about how Danny Sheehan, he and

Danny Sheehan are in discussion about this date of October 18th, I believe it is, where, you know, some information is supposed to come out from the government. I don't know. But apparently that's on the table. So we'll see what happens and how kind of all this ties together. There's so much going on with all this discussion right now and how it is in kind of the general public right now with that, you know, aliens amongst us article that came out last week. People are still talking about that from Dr. Michael Masters from Harvard.

So there's a lot of this stuff that's out there and it's being paid attention to internationally, like you heard Nick and I speak about, which means for me, There's plenty to keep up with and plenty to update you on on future episodes of UAP weekly. So continue to subscribe and download the podcast wherever you get it. Thank you all so much for doing that. Gosh, I mean, quite frankly, if I could for a second, really coming to the show in droves lately. I mean, I've never experienced anything like this when it comes to how many of you are consuming the show. I never thought I would see the downloads that I'm seeing right now.

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It is going to go out on a podcast episode, and I'm going to try to put that out tomorrow. So my plan is for Friday, June 21st to have out the Twitter spaces conversation that took place between myself and Jason Sands. I mean, this is exclusive, as exclusive as anything can get. This is exclusive stuff because Jason Sands is not doing interviews. So this is the closest you're going to get to a Jason Sands interview was this Twitter Spaces conversation that took place where he took a lot of questions for myself and other listeners. super interesting and if you're not on social media and you want to hear that and you missed it or if you just want to hear it back if you were one of the people who asked the questions you want to hear what that sounded like that is going to be on a podcast episode right here on

uap i'm going to point that out hopefully by um friday june 21st so look for that but aside from all that's all i got right now so much more to come on uap so stay tuned and follow along like i said on social media at UA Podcast 850 to stay up to date. But until next time, Stephen Dean here is saying thank you again so much for everything and for listening. And I can't wait to come back again with so much more in the future because there is so much more to come. So until then, thanks very much. I'll talk to you soon.

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