UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 6-27-23 Exclusive Interview with High Level Whistleblower, Michael Herrera

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

In his first interview since the Disclosure Project press conference, Michael Herrera speaks with Stephen Diener about his incredible story and whistleblower claims. This in depth interview covers a lot of ground, including who might be behind some things like alien abductions and cattle mutilations. And what kind of secret tech is being hidden from the world and why? There's some pretty nefarious stuff going on behind the scenes that we find out about here...Special Message to all potential whistleblowers, if you would like to reach out to Michael directly for help on how to come out with your own experience in the proper fashion, you can email him at [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Learn more at SMC.edu. Welcome back into UAP Weekly. It's a new week. It's a new episode right here. Stephen Deiner with you on the Unidentified Alien Podcast Weekly Edition. I know last week it wasn't around, but it was, I think it was a, a deserved little break after a pretty intense couple weeks here on UAP and really just with everything that had come out in the news. But now we're going to jump right back into it.

No rest for the weary. And I am honored to have on Michael Herrera today. Just a quick background on his story. You know, he'll get into it as well. But just so you have a little background before I bring him on, his story kind of, well, has gone viral over the past few weeks. He was the Marine that was in Indonesia on a humanitarian mission back in 2009. And while he was there, he came across him and his men actually, came across what they described as, you know, basically a classic flying saucer type shape, kind of like eight sides to it. And they went down to investigate and held a gunpoint by these unidentified, you know, like a mercenary type guys dressed all in black again. I know he'll explain it.

but just to give you a little background. And they held a gunpoint as some type of operation is going on behind them. And from there, they were let go eventually after having their lives threatened by these mercenary-type guys. And there was a lot of questions from that story, you know, the technology that they saw. You know, he mentions in his story that they saw this thing flying away, you know, instantaneous acceleration type thing. Like you would hear on your classic, you know, UAP, UFO type of sighting. takes off and it goes. And his allegation is that this is manmade, a manmade craft using reverse engineered technology from alien craft. And he spoke about this at the Washington, D.C. Disclosure

Project Conference with Dr. Stephen Greer and covered him during previous UAP weekly when I talked about a lot of stuff from that conference. But now we're going to have on the real deal today. The man himself, Michael Herrera is going to come on and talk in depth about that story and everything else that kind of leads from that story, stems from that story and a lot of other things. We're going to cover a lot of ground here today. So I'm going to bring them on now without any further ado because like I said, we've got a lot to cover Michael Herrera here today on UAP Weekly. Thank you so much for coming on here.

I'm actually, I like to say, I'm honored to have you on. I appreciate everything that you're doing. So thank you for being here today to tell your story. story and talk about what you know and what you want to get across to the world. Hey, Stephen, thank you for having me on your show. Thank you for what you're doing as far as getting the right information out there. Like I've disclosed to you earlier, I've had 68 people as last week, all from major news networks.

We're talking about CNN, MSNBC, all those, you know, it's not that I don't trust them, but here's the thing is that what people need to understand is there's a narrative being pushed. The narrative is obviously military industrial complex is trying to fakeate a next event because they want to take tax pay their money and they want to fund the machine that has been funding because now wars are windowing down. And that's what everybody's noticing. So now the next narrative is, or I should say false narrative is going to be this quote unquote alien invasion that everybody's kind of been hearing about. But it's like how are they going to carry it out? So a little recap on what I talked about in D.C. during the conference was my experience in Indonesia in 2009. As a Marine, you know, we do a lot of combat operations, but we do a lot of maritime security as well as humanitarian assistance.

And some of the operations that we were doing out there are mainly revolved around humanitarian assistance. So originally it was in the Philippines with a typhoon that had hit. So the 7th Fleet, which is what I was attached to, that's a naval fleet that's out there. And we had to respond to that. And so while they had the rest of the fleet engage in that, they end up passing my ship because simultaneously they had an earthquake and tsunami that had hit the western part of Sumatra in Indonesia. Padang City is kind of more the AO that we were in. And to recap, we basically came across a 300 foot in diameter. You know, they say unidentified flying object, but here's the thing, they're identified these days.

these days. Right. People in the government know what they are. So I hate using that term, UAP, because it's identified. We know what we're talking about now. Back in the 50s, 60, 70s, it was kind of more of a, it would be suitable to use that term. But now they're identified. So this was like a classic saucer shape, though, that something that, you know,

you would hear about in the news, maybe they would call it a UFO or a UAP on the news. That's classic saucer shape is what you came across. Yeah, yeah. And this, like I said in a conference. I mean, the reason why I know is around 300 feet, at least a football field. Right. Because the helicopters where we flew on are CH 53 superstites. They're very big helicopters, mainly for transport.

Some of them, you know, you can hook a line to them. You can carry haliters. We've seen them do that. They're pretty big helicopters. Almost 100 feet. So you could fit it from nose to tail three of them underneath this craft. I mean, it was massive. And it, you know, it's had an octagonal shape.

It has some very intricate designs to it, especially with the way that the transition between the colors, it was like a light, dark, or I should say a light matte gray to all the way to like a very dark matte black. And that's what stuck out like a sore thumb. So it wasn't something that, you know, we were read into or at least expecting. And it ended up being a surprise of our lives, you know, a lot of people, you know, I want to tell people this. And you're not going to see anything like this sitting in your living room watching an idiot box telling you what to think of it. You're not putting yourself in situations to go explore the world and see that.

You're not going to find out what the world, what's inside the world and everything that, at least the mysteries or anything, just from sitting and watching television or drinking beer. It was something that was incidental, so we, of course, weren't expecting to see anything like this. So that's not the alarming part. The alarming part was obviously this paramilitary organization that was involved with this. You know, they were wearing military gear that was very similar. to ours a little bit more high speed is just a fancy language saying kind of more you know special operations type and it was something that you know you as a marine or somebody who's in a

ground pounding operation or something with infantry something where you know the type of gear i mean because we've studied our our enemies we studied our allied forces on what they were and this was definitely ours it wasn't something that you'd see like canada wearing or you know you know the uk or anything like that. It certainly wasn't Russian. It was all American-made stuff. Yeah, it's important, I think, to make that distinction, like you said, it's, it's not like it was pointing to one certain country. I mean, these were guys, could you tell these were, you know, guys of American descent? Could you tell it they're from the United States? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, the way they talk is, you and I, you know, perfect English.

Even the lingo they were using was very similar to what we use in the Marine Corps. So I'm suspicious that these guys were uniformed military at one point and either got an offer, you know, to partake in operations, not specifically this. They may have not expected it, but obviously, you know, they pay them pretty good money to do this. You know, look at the kind of technology that they have behind these operations. And I thought so a couple things. It's perfect cover realistically speaking. Because let's say you come out to Colorado wherever you're at. And you're out hiking someone and you see this unfold.

You see like a craft out in the distance and you see this military operation. This is outrageous as outrageous as it sounds. And I agree with that. I mean, definitely does sound outrageous. But what I'm stating is the experience and what I witnessed that day. You know, if you were to see this in operation and you were to alert the military, alert the law enforcement, whether it's federal, state, world, or whatever it is, they're going to believe you? No, no, for sure.

No. No, they're going to look at you like crazy, probably laugh. Yeah. Go check yourself in the sidewalk, buddy. It's pretty much what they'll tell you, you know. Yeah. One of the disappointing things is, you know, when I had my camera and I took video and pictures of this right on top of that slow, you know, it was kind of like, you know, what,

I got something that I'm going to share the public or, you know, however, just to say, hey, look, I'm not crazy here. But the fact that five of my other Marines were sitting next to me and observing as well I don't want to say victim, but it's just we were at the wrong place of the wrong time. And what we experienced was definitely the prime example of that wrong place, wrong time kind of analogy. Yeah, I'm glad you bring up a couple of those things because you talk about the camera, right? You're trying to take some pictures. Now at the end, they took all that stuff from you, right?

They basically confiscated all of your evidence that you were trying to gather. And I don't know who it was because like I said, you know, When we end up docking in Subic Bay and we had a couple of days of liberty there, came back the first night and I saw my camera on the rack and it had the memory card out of it. You know, it was a pretty big size memory card, especially for a camera like that. It's kind of cheap. But, I mean, it did good quality. And there was a lot of pictures I took on there that I can't get back.

And it was just even related to this issue. Right. But the fact that the camera was compromised because I had two batteries, you know, so they took that battery out. I had another battery in my locker and I popped it in. and they wouldn't even turn on. So I've had people that, you know, I've talked to that if I still had that camera, they may have been able to get that data off there somehow.

And but as far as it is pretty disappointing to see that because obviously they at some point struck everybody's stuff. The Marines are with me, had all their cell phones missing at that point too. And I didn't take my cell phone with me. I left that back in Japan in Okinawa. Okay, got you know. There's going to need for me to take a cell phone because you're not going to get service out there, you know, because I'm not.

only got service state side. So it's something as soon as I touched back down California, or even Alaska for that matter, I could just call my folks, hey, I'm back stateside or you know, girlfriend at a time. Right. But, you know, they have like these phone cards

that you could use at least on base or out in Japan. It's like a soft bank card or something. And then obviously they had ships on, you can buy like credits or like through the ship store to get like phone cards to also use on a ship. Right. to also call home too. But the whole time during this operation,

they actually had everything blocked out for a couple of weeks. So we couldn't even call home or tell anybody what was going on at that point. And then especially with this event happened. So I wish I still had that camera. And what I had to mention to people in the conferences, obviously that footage is still out there. Somebody's got it, whether it's locked in the archive

or something like that. And if it ends up getting to a point where either these people of the operation that we end up witnessing come forward, which I'm hoping they do, hoping a lot of people do. And that's kind of more of why I started doing this, you know, after one law was passed to allow us that we're under any kind of nondisclosure agreement to come forward and speak about it. Because the reference I make all the time is like, you know, yeah, marijuana is legal for the most part, but how many people are still sitting in prison for that?

Right. Yeah. You know, intent to distribute, sell things like that, it's very hefty felony. And they're still in prison for it. And whether the justice system says, you know what, it's just easier or they're just going to play, yes, it was illegal at the time. for your actions, I'm not going to subject myself to be in prison for the rest of my life because of talking about something like this that happened. So I had to wait for the right time and the right place to do that. And fortunately enough, after I heard about that, that's when I basically contacted Steve O'Grere and told him my testimony, told him what was up. And, you know, the thing with him is it's something that he's heard multiple times from, you know, this is what

he told me and he's told the rest of the world for years, you know, because I've, before I got to what I'm doing now, I've went back in the past and kind of tried to research what he's been talking about and see if there's any kind of correlation and there is, which is good because there's some stuff that I spoke about that corroborate other people's testimonies from the past and it's going to continue down the line too. There's going to be people in the years from now, maybe months from now, they're going to talk about the same thing I've talked about encountering. Actually, yeah, sorry, go ahead. So now, you know, the interesting thing too, from when I spoke on that conference on that Saturday, at least for the Disclosure Project, the two-day

event, and then the press clubs, two different things. Saturday, I ended up doing my speech. And, you know, I was also acting as a security rule for Dr. Greer. We also had another guy present that was helping to facilitate that as well when I would be basically doing what I'm doing now. Dr. Gare ended up getting a message from a high-level source that's still within these projects. I'm not going to disclose where he works. I've met this person, but we didn't talk about what I'm about to tell you. And so the message that he had sent Dr. Greer stating that he wasn't expecting to come out and reveal this information, but he didn't want to leave me hanging.

That's what he sent his message. And it was a long novel, like he wrote a Bible or something. And what he was explaining was what they were doing this operation. told me I was wrong about one thing. So those shipping containers, the things look like shipping containers. They had a cylinder on the front. And I suspect that to be an oxygen supply or vacuum, to seal up drugs, because that's how a lot of these guys

tried to do it. And they're getting with very sophisticated stuff. But if you're running this kind of technology, then this is something that's going to help suit that, because obviously, if you're flying something that goes in excess of 5,000 miles an hour, probably faster than that, you're not going to relatively need to keep those things as fresh as if you're trying to transfer him through a ship or, you know, like a vessel

of some sort, you know, you can just go from one point to the other pretty quickly. But what he had told me what I was wrong about is it wasn't drugs, since it was humans. Wow. Now, this guy who's participated in these operations personally, and he explained why they did it, how they do it. They use natural disasters as a way to scoop people up. They pretend to be a humanitarian force, you know, like American military and it'll build trust into people because now they're getting help but then also they lure them into these containers and they ship them out to you know he talked about underground installations that's kind of the biggest thing and now people are discovering especially a doctor greer's list that they put out of at least some of the black sites that are just the united states

and there are some throughout the world that people have personally worked on that are on our team and so they transfer them underground and he says they use them for all sorts of experiments mainly medical experimentation among other things and he says a majority of the time. So the fact that I go from thinking it's drug smuggling and they have weapons because I recognize weapon cases all the way to this point of human trafficking, that's very alarming. It's a big jump for sure. It is because when you're there and you discover this, you know, lack or better term, this spinning UFO, right? you see this, you and your men see this, and you think, okay, what the heck is going on here?

And as you go investigate, I guess that's when, you know, these, I hate to use the term mercenary, but like mercenary type guys kind of held you guys at gunpoint. But you're still noticing different things around you. You're noticing how big this craft was. You're noticing this ventilation. You're noticing that it kind of looks manmade, but it also looks alien. And I guess that's what kind of gave you the impression. Well, there's some type of operation.

going on here and the ventilation I guess would is what made you think about drug smuggling but you're told by a high level operative who of course you can't name at this point that it's actually human trafficking that this was a human trafficking operation and it's not the first one and it's not the last one yeah and you know the last one he participated on directly was in 2004 in chihuahua mexico wow he's very very vivid in detail with that you know he talked about the same kind of nature how they stripped up the people but there's some that the only difference was this time. So it confirmed a couple things too that these platforms may be weaponized because they had two FAA teams that were scrambled to intercept what they were doing

because they got them up on the radar. I mean, I don't know the specifics of that, but they end up taking one of the planes down somehow and I don't know what type of weapon they would use. I mean, I would assume the way he said is it turned the plane off and the plane crash. So something that's electromagnetic, something like an EMP is what I would estimate. that he was talking about. Of course, he ain't going to go into much detail about that because then if he's traced back to what he's doing, by the way, this person's trying to come out publicly to him and about 30 other people. But the problem is, is now that the government acknowledges this as being an issue, so what these people are doing, they want to lose their

pensions, they don't want to have any kind of legal prosecution against them because what a lot of the people don't understand is that the government does not oversee us. We're talking about the presidential oversight, congressional oversight. Nobody knows. knows about it. So the fact that nobody knows about it means that it's constitutionally illegal. So if they're bound by rules that are essentially with these operations, then it means that those, it's known void because nobody knows about it. So what they're worried about also, you know, imminent danger for speaking out against this too is something they're more, they're more worried about because obviously how deep they go. So it's

completely understandable because I felt the same way for almost 14 years until I was able to come and talk about this openly, just because now that the government, with the Pentagon, among other people, I've got protections in place, which is great. And what I'm also encouraging other whistleblowers to come forward. If you guys have seen anything and you guys have witnessed anything firsthand, and I say firsthand because that's going to have a lot more credible evidence and you have witnesses. I have witnesses with me, of course, you know, five other Marines. and one of them was only well enough to respond to say that he wasn't going to come forward.

It's not worth the risk of his life and his family, his military career bottom line, which is fine because what it does is it confirms what I'm talking about to be true because we've had the government officials try to get these guys to come forward as well as Dr. Greer and this was the response that he had. Yeah, exactly. So it confirms things to a degree without directly confirming it. Yeah, no, you're right about that. And it's important that, you know, these, these,

other guys or just, you know, any type of person who's involved with operations like this would be able to feel comfortable enough to come out and talk about these things. I mean, just recently, you have Marco Rubio, Senator Mark Rubio from Florida, where I am, just talking last night as we record this. And he's talking about how him and Senator Gillibrand, or, you know, I've talked to a lot of these whistleblowers, have talked to a lot of people who are kind of staying under wraps, but have talked to them behind the scenes. And, you know, Mark Rubio said that a lot of them, like yourself, are credible. He mentions, you know, they were talking about David Grush a little bit.

You know, he said a lot of these whistleblowers are very credible. What they're telling us about, you know, non-human intelligence and these government, or not government, but private companies are using behind the scenes that essentially now they're saying there's this six-month timeline, right? Now Senator Gillibranda mentioned that with six-month timeline where any type of private company like a Lockheed, like a Raytheon, would have six months essentially to the end of the year to the end of 2023 to say,

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as far as him being the Republican senator in charge of the Senate Intelligence Committee, my contact within that group relayed my information to Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio knows my story. Okay. So I'm confident in that because now with the interview I had with Arrow, with all the people that actually got involved, I'm glad it actually reached the right people that needs to. to investigate this and now that there's been a sequence of people coming forward that are corroborating

a lot of the same information similar to what i witnessed they realize that there's a problem so with this bill this legislation that they put out recently any of these companies that have any kind of non-human origin material whether it's intact crafts whether it's technology of any kind of any kind of nature excuse me um that one they have kind of like a safe harboring thing where they're they're more than likely not going to get prosecuted by the legal system if they're compliant. And if they don't, then obviously the government is going to hammer these corporations and these people. Now, here's where it gets tricky.

Of course, they're going to try to, some companies, I'm willing to bet that they're not going to be very adamant about wanting to hand up stuff that's making them a lot of money. Right. Right. Okay. But this is where it comes into effect of having people like my. myself who've worked in these companies and have witnessed these things and have access to them still. And they're all corroborating the same people.

And as a matter of fact, these whistleblowers have named these specific people in charge. So that's what it becomes where they can't hide because now they've got names. Now that, now that, you know, you've heard the disclosure project, we've got over 100 attorneys right now that are trying to, you know, do a civilian RICO, a lawsuit against these companies once they're named. because we have people in these companies that name key specific people running his operations. So if they're subpoenaed to court, and this also goes for whistleblowers too. You know, if you haven't came forward, they could potentially be subpoenaed too. And they're going to have to testify under oath just like I did explaining, you know,

what we witnessed and what we think, you know, things like that. But it's more trying to get the facts out there. I'm glad you mentioned that action, Michael, because I think some people don't know that you did testify under oath. Right? And a confidential type of setting, correct? Yes. In a skiff. And here's the thing.

You know, anybody knows you lie to the Senate, Congress, Pentagon, anybody who's trying to do an investigation, I mean, it's perjury ultimately. Right. And even at an government level, it's five years in prison. I have a reputation as an entrepreneur. And that's something that, you know, obviously, if I'm going to weigh something that's a big issue here compared to my

personal life, I'm going to give up my personal life because this is a bigger issue here. I've had people. try to approach me of book deals, trying to, you know, make money from this. I'm not trying to make money. What I'm trying to urge here is the government to understand if there's something that is going on here that is not right, people are dying from it, people have been murdered for it, and it needs to be resolved. The other thing is, too, this technology is going to help humanity in a very specific way.

And I don't mean in a militaristic way, because that's not how it should be utilized. It should be something that, you know, you're self-sufficient to agree. And, you know, Dr. Rears mentioned in last century. That's very true. We could have had the documents that I personally have seen and stuff that I've, ever since I've came forward and started researching more, trying to find the, to connect the dots, so to speak. It takes you down a pretty big rabbit hole,

but what it boils down to is how much greedy and corruption there is the keto type lip. It's not the ETs that they're worried about. It's the technologies. Because, you know, you have cars out there that have been running off the same technology since 1800s you have locomotives the same thing aircraft same thing you have something that doesn't rely off of fuel something that's self-sufficient especially not having to pay public utilities i mean ultimately it's going to end poverty very quick because now people are going to have access to clean water they're going to have access to a lot of things that they

normally wouldn't have because they have these devices so this is what they don't want because the people who run this and you know the estimated industry net worth is around 700 trillion dollars for oil gas, coal, you know, everything like that. So if this technology got out, these guys are filled bankrupt. And what they don't understand is in a deeper level, these guys own a lot of assets around the world. And they would, you know, they're very psychopathic people who's the nice way of putting it. They don't want to really go set control.

They don't want to go bankrupt. They love the power. They love the influence they've got. Some of these people buying governments, you know, we're hearing about George Soros, buying off elected officials as well as district attorneys. I mean, it's all proven facts. and people thought I was conspiracy a couple years ago, but it's not coming to revelation. And this is the thing, you know, I encourage people to have a skeptical mind and to research

into things because that's how you're going to find the truth. And the truth may be something that it might be refreshing, okay, well, I'm being aligned to and I know what the truth is, but some people are going to come to the realization that it's going to change your life, like it has mine. And this is something, you know, is there risk to it? Yes, there is. There's a lot of risk to it. Reputation being one.

from my businesses, things like that. The second of all, it's also my family safety as well as my safety. I've had helicopters flying hovered over my house. I've had my dad, for example, he had a helicopter hovering over at his house. And it's not something that they have a normal flight path over where we live, at least where he lives and where I live. Where I live is kind of close to the airport here. There's not, they're not allowed to have any kind of vehicles entering the airspace

because there's planes flying over it. You know, but yet I see a black hawk among other boys. black helicopters flying around, they're hovering there, you know, I wave at them, you know, but it's something I'm used to. Now, what, and I've, I've, I've had some videos. I've taken of this. I've had people at Arrow who said, if I, if I witness this again, just send them the information because I'll investigate it. So you're this, so you're saying that you actually have, I don't companies, entities, whatever we should call them as far as, you know, the people behind these operations that they're actually trying to intimidate you and intimidate your family to get to you as

well. Yes. And I laugh at this case because me, I know how much money that costs. And if they're going to spend millions of dollars to try to scare me, wasting your money, suckers. I mean, that's just it. Keep wasting your money because it takes a lot of resources for that and to pay people to do that, especially the fuel, the helicopter, where they're flying it from, everything like that. So the fact that I'm keeping people up at night because of telling the truth. Now, obviously, if this was bullshit, so to speak, they're not going to spend the resources for that.

They're not going to care. But now that all of a sudden, I came out ever since my meetings with the Pentagon and things like that, and some other elected officials, by the way, are having the same thing happen to them. And that's where it gets interesting because now they understand that what they're tracking on is something that is true, because why would they spend the resources to try to silence people or try to intimidate them? So they're going after elected officials too.

That's a pretty big deal. I don't think anybody's heard that out in the public on the news or anything like that. They don't want people to realistically know that, but it's just, it's a case because they've personally told me, as well as other people in the government who, you know, who are very high up there having the same thing happen. When they get to this issue and they start getting into the juicy parts and understanding the corruption involved with it, as well as the embezzlement of federal funds and things like that, of course, they're going to try to silence people. and try to scare the crap out of them any way that you can. What do you think happens, Michael?

What do you think happens? Let's just use a hypothetical. Six months from now, you know, we're at Christmas time. We're coming into the new year for 2024. And some of these companies having given up the goods, so to speak, right? That the six-month timeline from now that's, you know, the Senate Intelligence Committee has put on wanting to know about these technologies that they might or may or may not have. What happens if they don't give it up?

Where are we on, say, January 15th? There's actually two things with this. One, there might be a false flag distraction. I mean, ever since we came out with our stuff in DC and all these whistleblowers, because now we set the precedents, now that we're having people come forward, you know, a couple four or five a week, you know, we have information. Some were like to remain anonymous because the fact that they're still involved to a degree. Some of them are people who witnessed an incidental event and, you know,

sometimes in prison your mind, there was something that you know has to be shared and so there's two things that are going to happen either going to have a set of distraction like a false flag or something that's going to be all over the news and it's going to distract people then you also have people like me they're grush other whistleblowers are coming forward and they're trying to keep that under lip under wraps because of the other things they're going on so something is going to happen and my personal opinion of that I think it should be the way that the government's doing it right now because

people aren't going to get killed for it. You have a bad situation because you have people in these projects who don't know that they're illegal. They think they're doing the right thing. You know, it's, how do I put it? It's like an indirect witness or something. So somebody doesn't understand that the president, Congress, Senate, anybody that government and cabinet does not have any kind of oversight over this. And they think that they do. So of course, they're by the rules, you know, thinking that everything's legitimate and constitutional sense when it is it. I hope that these companies can come to a

resolution with the government and say, hey, we're supposed to be on the same side here. You guys are supposed to help the government develop research and development, things like that, to help us thrive as a government, as a country even. But this is where you get greed and corruption that come forward before any kind of morals. And that's the thing that's more frustrating about this, because people want to hold on to their assets and there are hundreds of millions of dollars that they're earning because of these covert programs or deep cover programs for that matter. Because here's the thing. Why would they waste their time trying to put legislation out?

Right. If it's not real, the subject's not real or it's just like the giggle factor, so to speak, right, because a little green man. You know, what I experienced was had nothing to do with ETs, had nothing to do with ETs. It had to do with a piece of technology and operations they're using to use that technology to run their programs and to do them in a, covert way that's just, you know, a witness would be discredited because the fact of what it sounds outlandish, I agree with that. You know, I've had a, you know, around the social media, like I, I took a lot of my stuff down.

Yeah. And deleted because I don't want people contacted me. Like people are finding me on LinkedIn. I don't care. But I just, I don't want people asking me, you know, like you got a lot of naysayers out there. And the thing is there's two things that I've seen floating around. Well, it doesn't make sense. Well, yes, it doesn't make sense. I agree with that. That's why I'm frustrated about this because it doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make sense that we didn't go in there with comms. I didn't make the decision. That was somebody more higher rank on their caller made the decision that we didn't need comms. We're supposed to observe the area and when the Gila lands, that's when we're supposed to basically get on a burden of leave, because we're sitting there supposed to provide overwatch, right? And 300 meters ain't far to track, especially when you have a combat load and a weapon, and, a weapon and you know you're in good shape as a marine you know so you can make it to that that helo within a certain amount of time they've got security on that bird as well because they had 50 cows

on each side and they have a tail if they have a tail gunner but most of the time they have 50 cows on the side of those helicopters and that's a weapon to provide you know superior firepower and to take any kind of threats up that need to and they go a pretty long range and it's something it's intimidating because if you're the opposition you get hit with one of those it's not a pretty side. So but the fact is, is, you know, we end up seeing something and if we had communications, you're damn right, we'd have called it in. And what would have happened? I don't know. And the other thing is too, I've had people at least in the comments, read it, all that kind of stuff. Why didn't it kill us? Well, that's the same question I've

got to. I don't know, maybe these guys because they were at one point military and I'm assuming this because the way that they carried themselves is very similar to what we would do at least the military military guys in general, aren't. Navy, Marine Corps, you name it. So they may have morals. Right. They don't go against us who are just innocent people who just, you know, we're trying to help people out and we stumble across this.

And I'd hate to get shot and killed because I was doing my job, at least in a sense of trying to help people out. They might have been a soft spot. Yeah. And, you know, if these guys ever come out and talk about this operation, I hope they do. And the first question I'm going to ask them is, why did you let us live? Where did you let's go? You know, and as much as the event sounds outrageous,

well, of course, they're probably going to let that be the best of their ability to discredit to say, yeah, you saw something that looked like a flying saucer out of Indonesia that had trucks on the platform of a paramilitary organization. Where does that- Where does that technology come from, Michael? Is this, I mean, is the accusation, or maybe even the revelation, that this technology is coming from, reverse engineered alien spacecraft, right? Is that...

Yes. We had the ability to master anti-gravity control. That's what it's called, not anti-gravity. I call it gravity control. That's the technical term. Since October 1954. 1954. Yes.

Okay. And the Germans in World War II, then we have people that, you know, Senator Warner's son. A lot of these other people, even he, uh, General Patton, he knew a general patent. And they talked about this to him. He is kind of more of a witness of knowing what his dad was doing, as well as some other people who even worked in the Magic, which is a majority intelligence committee that was around this issue.

He talked to these people. And he said that the Germans had stuff that they mastered that. They didn't master it completely. But obviously you have Operation Paperclip, which a lot of these scientists, these brilliant minds that the Nazis occupied and took, and we put it into our government to help them, help us with that technology too. And of course, it didn't go to the conventional government.

He went to this deep black side of it. And that's how they were able to do it. You know, reverse engineer technology. And here's a thing. You're going to hear more, you're going to have more people come forward who are directly involved with these projects of reverse engineer technology.

You know, and the funny thing is, Bob Lussar was one of the first people that blew the lid on this. And he was sworn secrecy. I mean, his life has been held. This is the thing. I've established the people. We don't get famous for this and we don't get a movie deals and we don't get book deals.

Our lives become hell. I'm getting followed. I got, you know, I'm armed. You know, I have, I build my own weapons, you know, things like that. I like to shoot. That's kind of my thing. And I've also got a private security company. It's almost like a private military for me.

You know, these guys are trained or former law enforcement, former military, former special operations, even. So I feel safe the fact that I've got these guys on my side if I need to. But the thing is, is our lives don't become glamorous over this kind of stuff. It's like people think that that's the case and it's not. Bob Lazar had a hell of a life when he came out with his stuff. A lot of people try to discredit it. And here's the thing. I'm going to have people try to discredit me.

Go for it. At the end of the day, I don't care what your opinions are. I'm not trying to convince the public that this is real. I'm trying to convince government that this is real. And that multiple people along myself have made a, loud of enough ruckus here, loud noises, for them to be interested and to take what we're doing seriously. That's what I care about most. I don't care if somebody lives in their basement who's never seen anything like this. You know, it's just how it is. You know, you're not

stairs and what you do. It doesn't matter what it is. I'm going to naysayers about my whole life. You know, yeah. I'm used to that. But it just, it forces you to be in that pressure and it gets you to actually understand what's worth and what isn't. You know, I always describing into my sales department here, you know, because they hear it sometimes too, you know, from customers or people are trying to call. And it's like, if you're lying out in the past, you're looking for that hunt, right? You're trying to get that price, get that elk or whatever or that the antelope, that big kill. You're going to worry about the little flies buzzing up around you. You're going to focus on what really matters. And that's what we're doing.

You know, Dr. Greer's had a hell of a time with, you know, with the stuff that he sold. Now, here's the thing that people need to understand about Dr. Greer. Dr. Greer is only relaying information from what people have told him. And in tune, it has made him aware and it's made him research, but most of the time it's everybody coming who knows about something is coming to him to tell him. Because he's in a safe spot. He has never been in the military. He's never been in the government capacity.

He's not under any kind of any NDAs. He has no legal bound whatsoever to keep a tight lid on this. These other people, such as myself, among others, we don't have that luxury sometimes. Now we do because of this law, but before then it wasn't the case. So he's somebody who's relaying information of what he hears from people. And he has a very strict vetting process of credibility, right? Because obviously there's going to be people who want, unfortunately they want to be famous. And I don't understand why, but there's people out there who do. And they will go through the lengths to do it. And I feel sorry for them. But at the same point,

he's got a very, very strict vetting process to allow the right type of people to come forward who actually have firsthand experience who can prove that they were there, who have other people mainly also that can corroborate the same thing. So it's not like you just take anybody who says they saw something because that's what Arrow's interpretation was. When I did the interview with Arrow. And you have, right? You've spoken to Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick from Arrow.

Yes, they did it. Yep. And, you know, it was it was nerve records. And because, you know, I got these government officials here. They're listening to me and tell my thing. You know, it sounds outrageous. I agree 100% with that statement. I've heard this.

I've seen it all over social media and Reddit and all that, you know. I agree. It does sound outrageous. Did they take you seriously? They did. I was told this, you know, I'm not going to go specifics with it because obviously I signed NDAs at the Pentagon about this. But the one thing I will tell you is one of them, one of the government officials

that accompanied me there said the other 25 people that came before me they didn't take a serious it's like somebody saw something in military insulation in the sky or something okay when they heard my testimony they were taking notes and writing everything down and the main thing that they were concerned about was not the craft because that was the lightest i agree with them and that it was this paramilitary organization they wanted to know who they were and guess what they want to know who they are and i want to know who they are and i think the public now wants to know who they are because now you're going to hear some people that are going to corroborate what i'm talking about but in a different fashion from either uh

incidental witness such as myself or people who've actually worked in these programs directed that's going to be the thing that's going to set this ablaze one thing i want to touch on too is you know there was a whistleblower that dr grue interviewed like a long time ago i didn't know the specifics of it and his name is joshua He was a Marine, too. He was down in South America, and he stumbled upon, you know, he was a surface air missile operator. I don't know what the MOS on that is specifically, but he was manning the stingers, right? So they're in the air.

They pick up a heat scene and I'm sure you launch a missile and take some aircraft. Very cool thing. Yeah. But they end up coming across a crash retrieval, okay? And so he described the craft and the noise of the main. Well, yes, if they're reverse engineering technology, they're going to hide. have some similarities, meaning the propulsion systems are very similar. Right.

So of course, they're going to have an audible hub. The way I described it was very similar to what this Joshua guy described it, which was like unplugging guitar because it's exactly what it sounds like. It's not the same pitch, but if you were to, if I was to hear that noise again, I could tell you it's one of these things. I tell you for a fact. And it's weird because we were about 150 meters away from this craft and you could hear it then, but over the slope or anything like that, you couldn't hear it.

even when it was going up in the air and it took off you didn't hear anything you just heard the hum and that was it the other thing you talked about was a paramilitary organization that had black hammies that had black gear all that kind of stuff some other people i've talked to who know something about this say that the reason why they wear all black is because they do not want to be identified it's very generic thing to wear all black law enforcement agencies do it for a reason too because they don't want to be identified military um is a little bit different because obviously you want to be identified when you're in an a.O. with other friendlies. Right.

The way they can look through and see, okay, these guys are our guys. These guys obviously are not wearing military style, you know, clothing that would be very uniform, which would signal a military force. So these guys have uniformity to a degree, but it's not in the way that it should be utilized. So that's the other thing. The other thing is, he mentioned an Air Force Lieutenant Colonel. Okay. That's the guy that I saw, too. It might not be the same guy because his happened in the 90s, I believe. It might happen in 2009. Mine didn't have a name tag on it. He would not identify himself. But what I was also told is that some of these guys, some of these operators have the ability to get these uniforms and perceive themselves as military officials. Hmm. And we'll extract information from people.

Wow. Some of them, you know, and of course, this guy pulls rank because he's a lieutenant colonel, pretty high up there as a military officer. And as a Marine, you're like, oh, crap, you know, this is a big deal. But, you know, that's a way that they can order that information out of you. Or most of the time what I was told is that they befriend you, try to be buddy, buddy with you and see what you know. Or they play dumb and try to, you know, act like they don't, excuse me, to act like they don't know anything. So they can extract information to see what you do know and try to mislead you that one. So those are my theories. I can't confirm it. But this Joshua guy said the same thing.

Now, the thing I will tell you is that strings one word, corroboration. Because not the first time that this has been. I talked about it as well. There's going to be other people who are going to talk about it too. And they're going to probably say the same thing. Yeah, this other guy said there were black enemies and this and that. Well, yeah, that's how they operate. You know, the other thing I want to touch on. I've seen where how could Marines surrender their weapons. First of all, you have people who already have the drop on you. Let's say you get pulled over by a police officer. And here's the other thing, too. Not everybody's got the same interaction with police, right? For myself, I get pulled over. It's usually always a good interaction,

right? Because, yeah, I was speeding officer. Sorry. Right. Some guys have violent past violence against police officers. Do you think they agree that is nice? Do you think they have a gun drop on? These cops will pull people over with guns. I've seen it happen. because they're known to be violent. Okay? And if you, and I've seen a lot of body camp footage of this, if you move in a way that makes them uncomfortable and they have a gun pointed at you,

are you going to do anything to chance them shooting you? I'm not. And guess what? When these guys, because the way that they enveloped us was from, you know, from the left and from the right, it was not directly in the middle. And the reason being is because they had interlocking fields of fire on us.

We were in a funnel. so to speak, and they were on the sides, almost like a flame, not directly, but kind of more diagonal, which means they could have killed all of us. If just a couple guys could have done it. And this was your experience in the Philippines when you came down and you saw the craft there. This was in Indonesia. Yeah.

Everybody's getting because the original operation, as far as humanitarian assistance, was in the Philippines first. And our ship, which is the U.S. as Denver was routed all the way to the western side of Indonesia. So a lot of people are going to confuse. This was Indonesia. We just happened to do, we didn't even partake in any of the operation and Operation Katsana in the Philippines. We didn't do any of that because our ship was immediately routed to the western side after that earthquake hit.

But, you know, I tell everybody, there's a lot of, you know, armchair quarterbacks, right? They're going to say, oh, well, you know, we're known for fighting, yes, but here's the thing. If we would have done something to signal a firefight, first of all, there's eight guys that we saw. when we saw these trucks going on to this platform, there was four guys in every single truck. I'm assuming this because I only saw one of them unloading, and I didn't see specifically how they did, but I saw the doors open and everybody got out and those four guys, they addressed the same exact way on this platform. Who's to know that there's not 30 or 40 other guys like that there? Right. There's six of us.

Do you think we have a chance against this, especially with these guys highly trained as much as they are? Right. It's not a John Wick movie. No, people need to understand that. It's a movie for a reason. It's entertainment. It's not real life. People think, you know, because they watch these movies or play video games,

they think that they have the ability to understand how this works. There's a lot of people in the military think that that's how it works. And they end up going on their first combat deployment and realize that it's not how it works. You know, so me, I'm thankful because guess what? I'm back here. I'm alive. Right. I got to see my family after that.

My Marines also got to see their family too. It wasn't my call that we wouldn't engaged because obviously there was somebody who was a higher rank than me that was there. And he was the one who made the call. And this guy was in Fallujah during Iraq. They had the out number two, but it's a different scenario because here's the thing in the jungle. There's no cover to hide behind, especially the opening that we were at. If we were to try to bank off, these guys already have the drop on us. They're just going to engage us.

So they're going to take chances. Because guess what? In a conventional sense, we had done the same thing if there was an enemy force that we were trying to occupy. You know, so there's no concealment because you can hide through things. But guess what, the concealment's vegetation. That's not bulletproof. So there is no immediate tactical advantage that we had at all with these guys. Right.

So you already have to go. Yeah. We had our weapons down. Right. Because we're sitting there walking up to this thing. It's not like we're at the low ready even. We're sitting there like this. And these guys are already.

had their weapons on us and you hear them flipping off safe. So you did what you had to do to stay safe. Well, I'm here. You know, I'm not Swiss cheese. Exactly. You know, and that's the thing that people need to understand. So you put yourself in a situation because I guarantee if you were in that situation, they would have done the same thing that we did.

Yep. Let me ask you this, Michael. What is your best guess or even maybe your knowledge of it? Where is this coming from as far as the, the companies or the private companies that are doing these things, is it, you know, the Lockheed Martins, even their division of Skunk Works? Is it Raytheon?

I mean, who's using this technology for these purposes when it comes to human trafficking or abductions? I have no idea. I have no knowledge of who could possibly be. I don't know. All I know is that are well-funded, they're well-trained. They're above the law. They have, you know, they have endless amounts of resources to find people.

Because obviously we were, they knew everything about us. They still do. They're potentially still involved because I'm having these black helicopters fly over my house, hovering over my dad's house, scaring our, you know, scareding our dogs, scaring our cats. You know, like there's, you know, this is the thing. It's like, you know, I was told because I brought this up and at least a government official. and he says, next time recorded, because then the Pentagon's going to investigate this. So they know, and because we're not the first one to ever talk about this, you know, as far as being followed and having helicopters. But I just think in a money sense, I think it's hilarious because they're spending millions of dollars to try to scare us with a helicopter hovering right there.

Right. And when it goes, it's just why, wait, waste your money. Keep wasting your money. Now, if it's a taxpayer's money, that's a different story. Right. Because that's where the accountability from the government's going to come, come to fruition and hopefully get this in check. Because it's, you know, and I'm thankful so far that this has been the extent of it.

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when we were talking about just going back to the human trafficking aspect, putting them, you know, what you were told, which was people being put into this craft that you saw back in 2009. Two questions actually. Number one, how long has that been going on? And number two, are these alien abductions?

Are these classic alien abductions that we hear about that are being blamed on, you know, an alien race like the Grays, so to speak, but it's actually happening through these private companies. So I'm glad you actually ask that because this is part of that false narrative. There are people in our team who are witnesses to working on programs and underground military installations who, now, fun record here just kind of relating to this.

One of my employees actually has land south, if you're actually recently acquired some land down south as well. And this was in the 90s where they bought it. And they had noticed that their cattle was being mutilated. Oh. And they were very frustrated with it. Well, they started noticing with these black helicopters. And they said they were silent, you know.

So they have, they don't think they took video of this, but all their family saw this. They see the helicopter. So their interpretation because at that time, they're thinking that they can grow marijuana. They're trying to look for grow operations out here. But here's the thing. We're very high altitude. so it's not really ideal, you know, so it's a little harder to grow things, but especially in a larger capacity because, yeah, you can fly a helicopter over and, you know,

DEA knows what to look for. So it's not DEA, not only that, but they're more helicopters. They have to have the numbers on their tails to signify who they are when they're calling through, going through air traffic and things like that, especially the FAA. Apparently these guys don't do that. So what, one of the people on our team had told Dr. Grimm, he's relayed this information to us is that they use these cattle mutilations to harvest the DNA or the most sensitive parts of the animal that they use as more of like a suspension tool so they can genetically grow these glow grow this flesh right

synthetic to a degree and they make them into these what are called program life this is what the witnesses who told us because they worked on these programs they said that they use these animal parts to grow the flesh to put over these like a drone of some sort that is mechanical they don't move very smooth and move like a robot and they use these to scare people and there's two types that come to find out because I had asked our career this there's two types they have the ones that look like race and have ones that look like reptiles where the reptiles of people see so there's two different types that they're making and they've been making this since the

60s from what one of his top guys in that project project I don't know if they're still alive or whatnot but he has all the documentation and everything that can prove what they're talking about. He talked about the facilities of where they manufacture's at, especially in Colorado, there's one that's famous that has a bunch of conspiracy theories around it. That's Dulce, New Mexico. Oh, sure. Yeah, so that's, and where this, where my employees family lives is not too far from there.

So it does kind of make some sense because the deeper you go down south and start seeing a lot of weird stuff. There's a landowner in New Mexico that's close also to Tulsa who had night scopes, cameras, night vision, everything and he actually caught these guys doing that with these helicopters with this military paramilitary organization going and killing his cattle harvesting the material flying off they do it so quick because it's an operation they rehearse just like we do for operations in the military we rehearse using terrain models figure out who's going to do what we do rehearsals as well and these guys obviously train the same way because it's something that's just very sped up very fast very precise, just kind of like how they do with what we saw in 2009.

So like I said, the false flag is a thing and the new thing that they're trying to do. And this is why you see it so much in the news is the alien threat. There's no alien threat. And if there is, we shouldn't be shooting their stuff down like we happen with 40s. You know, you hit somebody that you don't want to hit and they have the ability to do basically what God can do because they're so advanced. hundreds, you know, thousands to millions of years of advanced compared to us. Why the hell would you want to do that?

It's just foolish. And we have, we have the technology to, at least the legal secret government's got the technology to do that. But at the same time, you know, they're not the ones directly paid for it. It's us as a species. It's us as a planet that's having to pay for that.

So now conveniently too, I want to bring up the whole crash landing that happened on Vegas. That's all over the news. Right, the recent one. That's right. That happened a month prior to our event. Then all of a sudden, everybody found out what we were doing and they started brushing these, these events, just like David Gresh did.

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, the timing of that. The caveat on David Grush, what he's saying is legit. It's secondhand on his experience, though. He's only hearing it because he was a high up intelligence officer for the Pentagon. Then he's hearing it from people that he was in charge of that had access to this program. So it's not like he saw these directly.

He's just compiled information of people that were working under him. to come to the conclusion that they had ET craft whether it was intact or not intact in their possession. He talked about the facilities where they're at, the projects that are associated with them to keep people, everything. So what he's talking about is the truth. I don't agree with what he's doing personally trying to say that ETs have killed people and things like that because that's the narrative. Now you're going to see if he gets his history channel special, whatever it is, you're going to know what the side of the point he's on with that. Anything with profit is a red flag with this, and that's what people are trying to do. And people who do this for profit, they're paid off to a degree because they're being fed

misinformation or trying to go along with that narrative. Us, we're not doing that. What we want is this to be out in the public eye. We want the government to oversee these projects, these corporations, or whoever is doing it, and to put a lid on some of the things that don't need to exist, such as a corruption, such as the paramilitary organization running gun strokes and humans. That's more of our concern at this point. a bigger fish. I've had people try to

personally for book deals, things like that. I've all told them to go take a hike just like interviews from mainstream media. I refuse to do that because I've seen what they did with COVID. I was security for the America's frontline doctors who blew the whistle directly to the President of the United States, President Trump at the time, talking about how it was not as severe as what the media and these people who were bought or had stock into the

because, you know, the vaccines, right? First of all, The military was the one who made the vaccines. It wasn't Pfizer, it wasn't Moderna, it was anything like that. All they did was basically pay them to put their labels onto their stuff and utilize it in that sense. And that came out recently, by the way. That's even something that RFK talked about. Now, he's making headlines. And what he is stating is stuff that, again, other people have told them, but they proved it to him.

So the America's frontline doctors were being, you know, their medical licenses were being because they were going against the nerve. Their lives are being ruined. They weren't being taken as serious because all their conspiracy threats to say this. Well, all of a sudden, to fast forward two, three years later, everything that they talked about is true. And there is people getting screwed up from this. Yet you, and this is the thing too, always follow the money. Everybody who made a COVID diagnosis on a person, they were paying in excess of $16,000 to $30,000 to tell somebody they got

that doesn't seem like a red flag because that seems like a red flag to me and there's i guess you come across some of that even too with you know this this technology that we're talking about yes they kind of and it's a it's a similar animal but it's a different type of industry and that's the thing is when you start seeing the similarities of how things are conducted you start to piece them together and start seeing the corruption at times and that's what i encourage people to do be skeptical on on what you're being told. And I'm glad people are skeptical with mine because here's the thing. My story has not changed.

It's not going to change because my simple nature to do with this is I'm telling what happened. That's it. That day that I came across this incident, all I'm doing is telling people what happened. That's it. Whether they believe me or not, that's up to them. But I encourage people to look into those because you're going to start seeing other people

come forward who have similar experiences. maybe have knowledge more on a deeper level than I do. You know, I was infantry at that point. So, you know, um, needless to say, there's not a lot about the subject. Now, to tell you that the other aspect of that is I was completely, um, I didn't believe in that stuff. I didn't think alien, you know, extraterrestrials and then reverse engineer craft or anything like that exists.

I was going to ask you that. I was going to ask you if you had any predisposed ideas, you know, you know, I was the stubborn person said that never existed. Oh, yeah, you're crazy. You're crazy. I did people try to, you know, say, talk about this and saying, oh, no, that's, that's insane. That doesn't exist. Are you kidding me?

When I saw it that day, it confirmed two things. It confirmed that one, we have that technology. And two, obviously, we got it from something to reverse engineer. Right. So it completely changed my life into a degree where now I, now because of that event was like a catalyst to create more of an open mind for me. Because here's the people who think that they know everything, they don't. And you're foolish to think you know everything in this world because here's the thing. We're still discovering animals on this planet that we've never seen, even in deep oceans.

You know what I mean? So it's we don't know anything. We only know a percentage. And it's the same thing. You're you go, you're taught in life to go to school, go to college, get in debt and get a house, get married, retire, and that's it. They don't teach you how to make money for yourself. Like I had to learn the hard way. They don't teach you how to have the mindset to do that.

They don't teach you what hard work ethic gives. They want people to be indoctrinated in this. This is what this is what this current world is doing. And unfortunately, the narrative is trying to indoctrinate people to have fear on this subject, which there shouldn't be any fear about this. There should be people understanding that there is a foul work being done here to keep a tight lid on the technology, not so the ET's, but just the technology in general. So people start to realize that.

like the classic grays that we see, right? And people talk about these abduction scenarios and they maybe they go through some type of regression therapy. We've heard a lot of those stories over the years, over the decades. And they all have the same description, right? You know, the elongated face, the big eyes, the slits for nose. These, are these actual grays that they're coming across then? Or are these actual, these are just these robotic droids that are being manufactured?

My, I mean, here's the thing. Anything could happen. somebody could have legitimately came in contact with grace. Somebody could have. I don't know. But I'm willing to bet just because of what 90% people are seeing these days is manmade technology. And it fits in line with what that is described because there is also another person or team. He never came out publicly and I think he's deceased.

He was actually kind of a smaller guy. He worked in special operations and they used him aboard these ARVs and they dressed them up. And this isn't the 60s, so they didn't have that kind of crazy technology they got now. But they would use him to basically abduct key people. And they would think he was an alien. And scared. Really? Yep.

So these tactics have been going on, like you said, since the 60s, as far as the scare tactics, the technology, the trafficking. This stuff has been going on for 60 years. Well, from what I was told in brief, that this has been more of almost 100. years of complete with this technology. But as far as in the various activities, I don't know. I could estimate, but having people have came forward before I did who have talked about that. And other people have came forward corroborate each other stories unknowingly, was suggested it's around the 60s that they started doing this. Because at that point, you had the Cold War. You know, Vietnam was right around a corner, but you had the Cold War at that point.

So obviously there's a lot of stuff even the space race. Yeah. You know, people trying to get to the moon faster, things like that. You know, so there's a lot of things. There's a lot of variables that play into that. So obviously space was kind of the thing that everybody was obsessed with. So of course, if they start doing operations in space, they're definitely going to come across things. And maybe, you know, my speculation is that they use this to kind of silence people will get too close to it just like they're doing now.

And they're still trying to. And they will try to until. this gets handled. And I'm really hoping that the government does this. And I'm glad that I'm seeing the measures take because we kind of had the thing, the interpretation that, you know, maybe they'll turn a blind eye to it. Maybe they don't want to because of how outrageous it sounds. But the fact is there's too many of us making noise.

Too many of us are making noise. And now whistleblowers are coming out of the woodworks. And that's the thing. So anybody viewing this, if you have any, any information and you are involved firsthand and you can prove it whether you have witness testimony from other people that corroborate what you're talking about that were there kind of like how I had my Marines do the same thing at least one of them was willing to text back to get one willing to come forward but they

knew exactly what we're talking about if anybody does that I'll what I can do is I can give my email to put in the thing that way they can contact me and I can get the ball rolling for them because I still keep in contact with these key people in the devil and they're looking for more people to kind of help facilitate what they're trying to do. Sure. Would you like to give your email here or we can, I can tweet it out later? The best email that I'll put my business email, but you can definitely have it in the description is Mike,

M-I-E-E-D-Valkery-I-Ink, and that's I-S spelled like I-Y or E-I or E-Y-E, sorry. And it's INC. So Valkery-I-Ink at g-mail.com. And so anybody who's in the position like yourself who's still kind of like, man, I don't know if I should do this. You know, I don't know. I'm feeling unsure about my safety, my family safety, my career. They can at least reach out to you and you can help them out to get through the proper channels to say what's on their chest and what they seem. Because I mean, this needs to be dealt with.

And I know there's people out there just like myself. You know, we've concealed it for years. I've concealed it for 14 years. You know, if not being able to speak about. about until the right time. Now, I will say this, there is a right way to do this and it's the way that we took. You saw the guy that went on Discord

who released information about NATO being involved in Ukraine. On documents he leaked. First of all, that is classified material. So even the fact that it may be illegal, it's still classified to a degree, and that's where they got you. And that's why you saw FBI, HRT, right this house, and they should take him in the custody. And he's probably going to sit in prison

for the rest of his life. unless with people in the government, even if the next president comes in and pardons him or however that goes, there is a right way to do it. And the way that I did it among others is a way that it needs to be done. And it's the safest manner because you'll be in the system at that point. And then you also have the protections as a whistleblower that help keep you safe. And it's so far, like I said, the only thing I've had that's kind of crazy is just these black helicopters trying to intimidate me and my dad you know but it's just we kind of expected that some retaliation

to a degree so it's not perfect but if you're willing to come out and put yourself in the spotlight of more being public to put a bubble around you um this is the best way you can do it without having any kind of repercussions if you were to sign a nondisclosure agreement or if you're still amongst these programs or whatever it is reach out to me i can get you in touch with the right people that you need to get touch with so that way you can contribute to the bigger cause here. And that's helping out humanity at the end of the day, helping out each other. It's what we're here to do is a species. Yeah.

It's a great way to say it, Michael. And I know you've got to get going. So I'll get you out of here on this. And thank you again for your time. We've had a lengthy discussion here. I really appreciate that. No, absolutely. But I got to ask you this because it's been on my mind.

When we talk about these, you know, these companies, these private entities, what is their endgame? Is there end game to just continue? the status quo to keep the power, to keep the money, to keep the technology, keep doing the experiments that they're doing on people, or is there something else at work here in the end? Well, you have money, which creates power and it also creates corruption. And I think these guys have had the grip on that concept for a number of years. And I think that they're not going to want to get away from that because these people are being paid very well with what they're doing.

They're embezzling federal funds with these projects. say that a B-2 stealth bomber cost $2 billion to make. Cost around $100 million, by the way. I have a good friend that actually built one of the, build a few of those when he was contracted with North Carolina Gummann. And he was actually one of the key people to develop that plan. He called it his baby. Guys are a pretty smart guy and they've working with him for about a year.

But he described it as a whole and cost, you know, the cost of it. So he was around, you know, two billion, but come to find out it's 100 million. So they take these companies take for the rest of that money. either pay themselves or they make things they're not supposed to make. And that's how they get at least get the federal funds out of that. There's other things that play, but it's something I cannot confirm because I'm not, I'm not witness to that. It's only hearsay at that point.

But it's just skeptical. It's just being skeptical at that point, it's speculation. But I don't see these guys wanting to try to hand over the reins to this stuff because it's bringing it's a revenue generator. You know, why wouldn't you? And if you're doing that kind of thing, why are you going to be so nice to hand everything over? Now that the buy-in that's going to be great is the fact that the government's going to help these people out. They're not going to take their assets.

They're going to take their pensions. They're not going to punish them legally within the six months of them coming out. So post six months from now, we'll see what happens. It's something that I'm anxious to see what's going to happen with that. And I'm hoping it's not going to go to the degree of having people mobilize to go do something about it because that's, that's, It's not what we want. We want the peaceful endgame. Sure.

Do you think they would stage a fake invasion? I just got to put that out there. I mean, it's, I know some people wonder about that. They've been planning on that since the 50s. There's documents from science applications international corporation talking about this called stage crap. They talk about the PLFs and people dressed up as ETs using these alien reproductions. and our own words, alien reproduction vehicles, to stage abductions on people

and to simulate a false flag or a false indication of warning, false I&W, is their specific term they used. This has been something, even the documentation that is public, which people can look into, and I encourage you to do it. I'm not going to tell you where to look. I want people to actually use what they're born with up here and research, and you're going to find the truth. The first thing I'm going to tell you is go to www.favit.f.fbi.fbi.fbi.gov.

and look up some of the stuff that the FBI declassified. There's proof right there. But the problem is, is people want somebody in a suit and tie to come onto six o'clock television a night and tell them what's going on. We live in an age of being so comfortable and so lazy. And that's ultimately the reason why nothing's being done about this

because, oh, somebody else has to do it. Well, it's not going to get done with that mentality. So you've got people like me who are fed up with it. We're fed up with the corruption. We're fed up with stuff because it's not just this aspect. This is kind of like a staging area for corruption because this leaks to other facets because it's not even just a political corruption either, which there is. But it all ties in the one thing with corruption from greed, from power, and from money. So I encourage people to do your research. You're going to be better off that way.

You know, ever since I started doing this, all I do is research. All I do is try to learn more and try to see. and you know try to if I can help somebody out if there's people who have witnessed similar things to what I witnessed that day and they have knowledge of I'll help them out I'll try to get them the right resources they need I've always encouraged people to come out talk about it it's the only way we're going to make a difference is it's like back in a civil rights movement right you know didn't happen overnight right but enough people made enough noise to actually get stuff done right and that's what we're hoping for it it sure is Michael thank you so much for your time and honestly I wanted to say this to you actually at the conference in D.C., but everybody was going every which way it was craziness there. But I wanted to say thank you to you and to everybody who was on the panel that day. I'm hoping to get to speak with some of them as well for doing what you're doing, for being selfless in this, really, to put yourself out there, knowing that you're going to go through some uncomfortable things, and even your family will go through some uncomfortable

things. But you're trying to do the right thing. And so on behalf of everybody, really, who cares about this and should, who cares about this and should care about this, you want to say thank you for doing what you're doing, because like you said, hopefully things continue to progress, you know,

more attention comes on it, and maybe we get to a good place with all this in the near future. Well, you know, and that's my intention with this is try to get, you know, try to help people at the end of the day. That's what I'm more concerned about.

And I can put my personal life aside for a bit and try to help with this. One thing I want to tell your viewers, too, besides doing a lot of research looking at him for yourself. I'm going to be on Sean Ryan show Thursday coming up, so whenever he decides to put that out after we do that episode, because it's not just me, it's going to be Eric Hecker, who's the one that worked in the South Pole Station,

and D.C. Long, who was an Army guy that was stationed at Fort Bragg, who came across his event there at an underground installation. So all three of us are going to talk to Sean Ryan, and just like yourself, he's about getting the truth, them, you know, at least getting people to talk about and whether or not they make up their own mind about what is going on is totally up to them. Right. Exactly. Open mind is the best way to approach this is like I said, I don't know everything in the world. There's nobody on this planet that knows everything in the world and there's always new things that are happening. There's

always things that are going to be swept under the rug that are to come out to revelation someday and that's what's going on right now. So more people that we have helping understand this and people who actually have information. Like I said, get a hold of my email, put it in the link. That way they can reach out and I can them and kind of mentor them to do the right thing. Absolutely. No, Michael Herrera, thank you so much. And hopefully I can catch up with you again soon. We can do this again, follow up as things continue to progress. I'd like to do that if you're game. Let's do in six months. We're going to see what happens in six months so that we can come back and hash that out too and see what really came about it. You know what I mean?

It'll be interesting. Absolutely. I think it sounds like a good. plan. Michael Herrera, thank you very much joining me here on UAP Weekly, and we'll talk to you again soon. Got it, buddy. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Well, there you have it right there.

Michael Herrera in his first interviews since the D.C. Disclosure Project back on June 12th, and I am honored to say that it was right here with me on UAP Weekly. I mean, you heard him mention in the beginning how he's turned down, you know, close to 70 interview requests in the past week, a lot for mainstream media. You know, all the, you know, CNN, MSNBC, all the big names and everything. And he's turned those down because he knows about the agendas that they try to push. And I appreciate very much his willingness to come on here today and his sentiment that, you know, I'm trying to do the right things here on UAP. And I appreciate that and that he chose to come on here and talk about all this.

So thank you again to Michael Herrera for doing that. And it was incredible. I mean, obviously, there's a lot to take in there. This is the longest episode I've ever done of UAP in general. UAP or UAP Weekly. It doesn't matter. I don't think I've ever gone over an hour before, but obviously that was highly worth it today

to hear directly from Michael and to hear his story and his take on everything and, you know, the information he's come across and the information he's been told and the information that he knows. So it was incredible just to hear his story, his perspective on all these things, and really thank him from that.

And you can still look forward, of course, to the original UAP, that episode 71 working on that one. So hope to have that out soon for you as well. And, of course, more UAP Weekly in the future. We'd love to talk more to guys from that conference, hopefully future discussions, possibly Dr. Stephen Greer. So we'll see what else comes up here on UAP Weekly. Of course, covering all the latest when it comes to UAP news

and everything happening. Because there's a lot. There's a lot that's going on these days. in the UAP world. Of course, you can continue to check out the podcast. Wherever you download your podcast, download, subscribe, Spotify, Apple, all that good stuff. On Twitter, you can find me with the show at UA Podcast 850. That's at UA Podcast 850.

And I'm going to have a lot of the links from what Michael was talking about on there as far as, you know, just some snippets. I'm going to try to do some video things with this as well. So keep an eye out for that. and of course just keeping up with all the latest information on the show. But I'm out of breath at this point. So I will go now and just say thank you again for listening to this show to every episode that you listen to, especially this incredible episode here today.

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