UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 8-2-24 New Details: Resurfacing the Nazca Alien Mummies

Episode Date: August 2, 2024

In September of 2023, the world was introduced to the supposed Nazca alien mummies, but what has happened since then? Stephen Diener sits down with journalist Pavel Ibarra Meda to discuss what he has recently uncovered in his discussions with numerous South American scientists. Could these actually be real alien corpses? You can decide for yourself when you hear this new information. This is absolutely fascinating...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I am Stephen Deiner back with you here on the Unidentified Alien podcast. Weekly edition and happy to do this one because this is a subject that's been in the back of my mind for about a month or two now. And I just thought, you know what? Let me keep it there on the back burner. And when the time is right, let's bring this to the front. And that time is right now. And I'm really excited to put this out for you because this interview was fantastic. and we talk about the NASCAR mummies.

What happened? What happened to the NASCAR mummies? We were introduced to these things back in September of last year, 2023. They've been around since about 2017 or so. And they made international headlines in September when they were presented at the Mexican Congress hearings. It was right after the Congress hearings here in America with David Grush. And, of course, that was massive news. And then Mexico held their own congressional hearings on UAP, and Jaime Mousan came in with the two now famous NASCAR, alien corpses, whatever you want to call them, showed up in front of everybody and shocked the world.

And, of course, had everybody talking from there. Are these real? Are these fake? What is the deal? And all these scientific studies going on. And it's been one of those things that I've tried to keep my eye on while everything else has been happening over the past. year and then I came across a journalist here on on X on Twitter name is Pavel Ibaramita and he does a great job on a lot of different subjects but specifically on this it caught my eye what he was doing

what what Pavel was doing here about the NASCAR mummies so I reached out to him recently and I said hey I would love to talk to you about this he has a wealth of information on it and she was kind enough to come on on short notice actually which you'll hear us talk about to start off the interview, to talk to update us on everything he's found out in his journalistic investigations and discussions he's had with high-level scientists in South America. These guys are no joke. I mean, wait until you hear the credentials of some of these scientists he's spoken to. And on top of that, what they've had to say about the NASCAR mummies, are these actual extraterrestrial? Are they something else? What's happening with DNA with x-ray scans? All of these

questions we go over and more. And I was actually shocked by a few answers, some things that I found out while I was talking to Pavel during this interview. So really happy to bring you an update on the NASCA mummies. I feel like this is one of those massive subjects that isn't spoken about enough. Some happy to bring you an update here. And thank you again to Pavel for answering all the questions and for all of his information here during this interview. So without further ado, here's myself and Pavel talking about all the updates. everything you need to know what's happening with the NASCA supposedly alien mummies. There you go. I am really excited to kind of dive back into a topic that I covered heavily last year or so,

but I want to bring it back to the surface, and that is the subject of the NASCA mummies. This has not gone away. We all remember hearing about this. So I'm happy to talk about it with someone who, quite frankly, knows a lot more about it than I do. And that is Pavel from the Secoactivo podcast. He's a journalist. Pavel, thanks for joining UAP. I've been following your work on, on X and what you've been doing. You've been doing some great stuff with this subject. So thanks for coming on.

Hey, Stephen. Thank you for having me, man. I'm glad to be here. It's an honor. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for your time. And by the way, just some behind the scenes just to show you how good of a sport, Pavel is.

This is completely last minute. I reached out to him, like, but maybe 18 hours ago. I was like, can you come on? We can talk about this. And so really good support. I appreciate it. Yeah, of course, man. So first off, for people who may not know you or your work, your background, your history with this subject and some other things that you worked on, tell us a little bit about yourself first before we dive into the work you're doing on the NASCAR mummies.

Yeah, I am a journalist for 14 years already. My main focus has been in sports. but since I was a teenager, I was very interested in several authors, several books. My mother gave me the passion of reading. And it's always the weird ones that attracted me the most, like Carlos Castaneda, anything about UFOs I was very passionate about all the time. I love science fiction. But then I just started moving away from that a little bit.

I just kept it as a hobby. And I started my sports journalism career. And to this day, I still work for Marca, where a company from Spain, they do mostly Spanish soccer. But I work for the editorial team in English here in Tijuana, where I live. And the Sicoactivo podcast started in 2021. And my main focus at the beginning was to talk about psychedelic, substance prevention because I went through some really difficult times about a decade ago. And I felt like I needed to tell people what they could expect and to warn them about the dangers

that come with substance abuse. But the topic took me to UFOs almost immediately. And at first I couldn't understand why they were. probably connected. And after three years, now I know a little bit more. Why? But I'm still trying to wrap my head around a lot of that stuff. And since then, I started doing English content in January. And I haven't stopped since then. It's just seven months doing it. Very cool. So, I mean, bottom line is you're a pro, you know your stuff. And maybe we can even get into some Real Madrid and Barcelona, maybe a little bit later on this.

Of course, we can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good stuff. But getting into the NASCAR Mummy's type of topic there. So what led you into that? Because like I said, you know, I'm really impressed with your knowledge. I followed what you're doing. So what led you into kind of digging deep on that?

one topic to bring us to where we are now. Yeah, well, my very first interview on UFOs was Jaime Mausanne. That was back in October. That was in Spanish. And I had been doing the podcast for two years, but only in Spanish. And we never talked about UFOs or anything. But I started writing about UFOs for the page I work for. And most of the content about UFOs is something that I did. So like last year at around May, April, one of my headlines of one of my articles from Space Force, it was an article on Space Force was shared by Joe Rogan on his show when he was interviewing James Fox. And I used that to try to convince Mausanne that I, if you wanted to do an interview with me.

And when we spoke, I did a day interview with a very big company in Mexico called Badaaboon. They have like hundreds of millions of followers all over Latin America. And when I wanted to, when I was coming up with the questions, I wanted to get more like deep, cuts on the topic because it's Chaimé Mausanne, you know? Sure. But these guys, the company that I did the interview with, they didn't let me ask the questions that I wanted. So at the time, I got to be honest with you, I didn't think the mommies were real.

I didn't think they were even worth looking at. And by this point, the two audiences had already passed in Mexico and Mexican Congress. And the reaction from the media and from the Peruvian government at the time gave me more than enough reason to just dismiss the case. I still asked Mousan about the Mammies and clearly that's all he wanted to talk about because I think this is like his hell Mary, you know. He's already getting up there and he still hasn't gotten the truth, quote unquote. So I think he's regarding this as probably the best chance he will get at knowing if any of this is true or not. And that's how he started getting a little bit more interested in the topic. Then I saw Maussan wasn't going away.

He wasn't going to give up. He kept reporting on it. I had a really nice time with him during the interview. And I think he's a really nice. person. I do think he's been a little bit gullible over the years with many of the cases that he's presented. But that doesn't mean that

I believe he's done anything knowingly, you know? Like, the same thing happened to Linda Molton Howe back in the 80s when she was fed disinformation. So I don't hold him responsible for

the cases that he's being accused of. But I do when I decided to get into this like plunge into the topic I wanted to investigate and interview people who are firsthand

researchers or investigators and scientists too and I started noticing a few inconsistencies but mainly with some of the efforts being done in my country in Mexico and that's how I got

more deep into the topic and last month I did like four or five interviews strictly dedicated to the mummies. Yeah. And I think I made a few waves. I don't know, maybe. Well, you know, I noticed for sure. So it's, you know, like I said, you've been doing a lot of great work on it and it's kind of going to that time frame when you were putting out those interviews and the research

to bring us to where we are now. You know, it's interesting to hear you say that. you started off not believing these things were real. So what kind of brought you to a point where you are now, where you're thinking to yourself, well, now hold on a second. Like there's something going on here. What have you found out that a lot of people may not realize

over the past 30 to 45 days in, you know, like the hardcore work you've been doing on this? It's a couple of things. First of all, I find it really strange, especially in these topics, when someone is so adamant to say something is BS, they go straight to it, you know? And that only makes me want to investigate it even more,

just to see if it is indeed BS or if it's actually something true and this person has an agenda, you know? Right. And that's one thing. The other thing is just talking to firsthand researchers and scientists, who've had the bodies in front of them and they've had the chance to measure the bodies

and look into the DNA and you know that's what got me a little bit more convinced but I do got to preface this by saying I still don't know what they are I do think there's a lot of people who are like very convinced

these are alien or that these come from a different planet And I think that is jumping the gun. I don't think we can make that assessment yet. There's a lot of compelling data. There's a lot of DNA data that is very interesting. There's a lot of anthropological, morphological data that is quite compelling. Two of the major interviews that I think I did was there were two with Dr. Celestino Pioti,

who is from Argentina. he founded the career of medical anthropology in Argentina. So he's credentialed, you know. And when we spoke, I decided to interview him because in the second hearing, he said some stuff that really threw me off. He claimed that the smaller bodies that are 60 centimeters tall are future humans that they have morphology from our descendants

and I was like, did he just really? Like, I want to talk to this guy see why he says that. He's so credentialed. He's really like, he told me he's researched into remains of thousands and thousands of dead beings or humans or animals, all over the place, you know. So he knows when he's looking at remains.

He knows what he's looking at. The dude has all that baggage behind him. And when we spoke, he basically told me that the way that different skulls are measured, all of our ancestors from thousands and thousands of years in the past, there's this certain angle that he measures that tells him which species he's dealing with. If it's an astrolopithecus, there's a specific angle for that. If it's an omobulus, there's a specific angle for that

that is a little bit different from the esoteropithecus. And from one evolution to the other, it's the exact same measurement. So that's how he tells. If what he's looking at, a cranium he's looking at, is either an ancestor of ours or a homo sapiens or something different, which is what he claims that he found. Because the angles are from species that is supposed to be living many, many years in the future. So his claims are that according to his research,

And again, I'm glad you point out his years of expertise and, you know, thousands of craniums that he studied in his career. Because it's important to point that out with his resume when he has a massive claim like that. Because just to restate it here, his claim is that the smaller ones, the smaller NASCAR mummies, are more consistent with a an evolution that hasn't taken place yet. Yeah. That's what he's saying. But it would take place in the future. And he doesn't know how that's what breaks his head, you know, constantly.

Because he made these measurements and he was like, that can be right. And he made it again. And he's done it thousands of times at this point. He did them again right after he testified in Congress just to make sure that what he said he was sure about. And that is true. That's important too. He did testify in the Congress hearings in Mexico. And he said this in the hearings. Yes, he did. That's what blew me away. I was like, this guy must be, I don't know. And here's a little inside baseball for you. When that happened right after the hearings, I reached out to Ross Colthardt because we used to correspond a lot more before. Now that's stop. I asked him about Dr. Pioti's claims,

and he kind of snapped at me. He was like, that's extremely irresponsible to just talk about that without having any proof. And I was like, okay, that made me want to talk to Pioti even more because it was so fast. Like, it's what I told you at the beginning. It's like when someone just like that dismisses something, that's a red flag for me.

That makes me want to investigate immediately. Because let's remember, Ross knows a lot more than what he's telling us. And who knows what that is, you know? And this also coincides with Dr. Michael Masters' future human hypothesis, which is I found very, very interesting when I spoke to Dr. Piotty. They reached at similar conclusions, but from different angles, completely. Dr. Masters studied all the craft and the identified flying objects that he calls

in his previous book. And Dr. Piotty did it by measuring these beings craniums. So that was very interesting to me too. Really intriguing stuff. I had never heard that theory before. You know, naturally, when we hear about mummies, we think about beings from the past. So So when you start to consider that these are some type of time travelers, I mean, I guess it's the only way to put it. Incredible. I mean, really, really something to consider, again, that type of science coming from somebody who knows their stuff and what to look for. So that's, I suppose, an angle to certainly keep an eye on, you know, to see if we hear any more about that. Have you heard any updates on that theory?

he the doctor just released his book he's going to send it to me when i read it i'm going to do an episode of my podcast to talk about this uh he has three different species names because he's an anthropologist so in his books he proposes scientific names the smaller ones he calls them ostendoprudence which means the those who are very cautious when they look, look at them, something like that. Because he says, he told me about an account from the 70s or 80s, I don't recall well, of a woman who are right at a hospital where he was working at the time during the night. The woman was really scared and she gave the doctors her account of an encounter with a being.

And when she described the being, it was almost to a T, one of these 60 centimeters beings. And the woman was very specific about how they react when you look at them. They get really scared and they run away or jet off. Yeah. And that's why he calls them that, ostendoprudence. The other, he talks about another two species. the m type, the bigger mummies or bodies, he calls them homo des homo because they're in his view they are devolving

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Enjoy every moment of your trip, even before you land. Hawaii starts here. Really incredible stuff. And just to kind of put it into perspective, two, the smaller ones. I mean, we've seen the videos and the pictures of the NASCAR mummies, and I think the ones that a lot of people are familiar with were the smaller ones that were presented in the Mexican Congress. So we say 60 centimeters.

We're talking a little bit less than two feet. So, I mean, this isn't a very tall being. And, I mean, do we think that these things still roam the earth? I don't know, man. These types of beings. I mean, I know it's kind of an abstract question. That's a little bit above my pay grade right now. But I am trying to find out.

Yeah, I mean, I think that's something that we all wonder. Let me ask you about the DNA side of this, because I know you just had an interview with a pretty renowned biologist, and you guys were speaking about the DNA side of things. And this is the part I really find, you know, I hate to use the word irrefutable in any scenario, but especially when we talk about this. But when you can talk about DNA evidence or biological evidence or skeletal, you know, evidence like we're just talking about, it's hard to explain a way, I guess is the best way I can put it. So when we talk about DNA evidence of these beings, of these bodies, what have you found out, Pavel, that shows that we might really be looking at something here that is not human? Before I move on to that, though, I do want to talk about some controversy that's been happening with the smaller ones. Oh, yeah.

You heard of the Lama Skull hypothesis, right? Yes. So basically, there's a group of scientists who were decided to not want to put their names out there. They were making tests of samples that were taken from one of the two institutes in Peru. And they are almost completely convinced that these smaller beings do have Lama proteins in the skull. besides the coincidence that the size of the being does fit with a llama skull, the back of it. But when I spoke to Dr. Pioti, he told me that he had one of these bodies in front of him, and he went thoroughly through it and investigated it, measured it, everything.

and he thinks that they were they are not lamaskols, which makes me think that there were constructed bodies, both modern and ancient, that do have a lammal skull in them. But there are also bodies that many of these scientists claim that are real, that are not lamascolds. And it gets a little confusing there. So what I saw,

Orgy and some possible that are real. Yeah. There are so many bodies of these things. And there are, according to these scientists, there are some that are real and some that are constructed, both ancient and modern. But given that it's so murky, this whole case of the smaller beings, from the very beginning, I made it my mission to just try to focus on the big bodies, on the M-types, the ones that look a lot more like us. Because I think those are the ones that are more

harder to refute, you know. And that's what I try to do with Dr. Ranjel, the DNA is expert. So what he told me was essentially that they found within the new, the latest version of the tree of life, the genetic tree of life, there's a version of it that was published back in 2016 on Nature magazine that it breaks down all the different types of living beings and living organisms genetically, what they're called from the Eocariot side, the prokaryote side. And they all come from this acronym called Luca, which is kind of like the origin of life. That's what they call it, Luca. Right. And Ranjel told me that these larger mummies do belong with our group because they do have some human DNA. But there's also about 30, 29% of DNA that they cannot identify.

And that that is anomalous because usually the DNA that they cannot identify from us is much smaller than that. And so that is that that is a fact then that through the testing of the bigger beings they found out that there is some human DNA in there but there's about 30% that they can't identify like that. And I asked I asked a specific question about this because there are many times with ancient DNA when it's not, I call it scrambled, but they say it's diluted. So I asked the doctor if it was possible that it's just diluted DNA that cannot be identified because it's so old. And he told me that they do have ways of knowing when ancient DNA is diluted and when it's not.

And they proved that this one is not. So that question was one of the most asked of the DNA test because, people say like oh it's that's easy to to say because uh ancient DNA can be diluted and it just can be anything really that's true that's why i asked and they said that it's not anything it is unidentifiable DNA well again you know hard to argue with with that type of science i mean it's it's pretty matter of fact so the only thing you can do is really question what does it really mean? Are we talking about, you know, some type of unidentifiable DNA because we just don't have the means to identify that part of a human genome? And I know that sounds crazy, but, you know,

just something throwing out there. Or are we talking about some type of ancient hybrid being that is, you know, has been mummified in some way? I know their organs are still in there, right? So these aren't even really true mummies. I've heard people refer to them more as actual just carcasses. Yeah, they're technically they're ancient desiccated corpses. That's what they are. Wow. And so if that's the case, if we're talking about kind of going back to the question of the smaller version of the beings, right, the 60 centimeter is just about two feet tall, where there, you know, you have scientists saying these skulls.

don't match anything that we've seen so far in human evolution, so possibly pointing to some type of future evolution, can we make that jump with the bigger ones too, if we're talking about a possible hybrid, or is that too big of a jump because we just don't know what that other part of the DNA is? So here's where Ranjel and Pioti differ, because they do differ in this specific aspect of the hybridization

of the bodies. Dr. Rangel believes that there was hybridization between a human species and the hominid and that's what created the mmies, the M-types.

But he believes because there was some kind of evidence of CRISPR Cas 9 which is a procedure that was discovered in 1987 about that clones DNA.

Wow. So they use that to mix different types of DNA. He says that there was evidence found of CRISPR Cas9 on these bodies, the larger ones. But Dr. Pioti has a different theory. He believes that there was so much anarchical DNA mixing back then, but it happened naturally. So what Dr. Piotte is saying that is that, yes, they may be hybrids, but they came about naturally between cross species.

And Dr. Ranjell is saying that this was artificial. And that's where I stand right now. I don't know. Well, we will get to the truth eventually, but right now there's this disagreement between two of the scientists that I have the most compelling interviews about, you know, about the topic, in my view, from my channel at least. Can you give their credentials one more time, both scientists? Yeah. Dr. Ricardo Rangel is a biologist, molecular biologist, and he's the first DNA expert who studied the bodies in the world. And Professor Pioti, Dr. Piotty, Dr. Piotto, Dr.

Pioti is an anthropologist, medical anthropologist who founded the specialty in Argentina, that same one. Actually, one more tidbit from Dr. Pioti, the books he writes, he's written like between 15 and 20 books already. They consider his books so important in Argentina that when he publishes them, they're not sold. they are given to universities across the country. Wow. So, yeah, he's credentialed.

The real deal, both of them. That's incredible stuff. What about some of the x-ray work here, Pavel? Because I know, correct me from wrong, I believe after the Mexican Congress, the first session last year, they actually did some work or was rumored that there was work being done at Northwestern University. I mean, is there a truth to that?

And what kind of work has been done here in the States when it comes to X-ray, you know, DNA, any type of scientific work that can go along with what we've already spoken about? So there is information that Mr. Jaime Osama Osama has about at least two American universities or scientific research institutes that he doesn't want to give out the name of yet, but he claims that over the next two months, we're going to get that data.

What I'm trying to do, though, because this is where it gets a little tricky, though. As I told you, I have nothing against Jaime. One of the interviews I did was with Mr. Martina Chirica, who is an author. He wrote the book about how the bodies that were brought to Mexico were brought to Mexico. When I spoke to him, I had one specific inquiry that I wanted to clear up at the beginning, which is the legality of how the bodies were brought to Mexico. Because whenever you approach anybody from the American or English-speaking scientific community, and you tell them that you want to do research on the mummies,

they immediately shut you down. Because people like Mr. Jaime Mao-san or Mr. Martina Chirica are involved. Apparently there's this notion that the bodies that were brought to Mexico, Mexico were brought to Mexico illegally. I have no proof of that in any way. I do know that very high up people within academia and in the government have this notion. They don't trust Mr. Mao-san and they don't trust Mr. Achidica. And when I interviewed Achidica, that was the first question I did.

I asked him about the legality. and he told me that he had nothing to prove and that if I wanted to find out that I could buy his book and in the QR code of the book, I would find that information. You can understand that me as a journalist, that's a non-answer for me. And I asked two more times in different ways, I still got a non-answer.

So that jumped out to me immediately because there's all the, these accusations being leveled against specifically these two people involved with this, and they're not clear on any documentation or anything that the public can see so they can prove how these bodies were brought to Mexico legally. And they're being accused of some even graver stuff that I'm not going to mention here, but if they are being accused of this and if some government agency is pursuing them for this,

I think that they should be more transparent about this so they can clear things up. And I invite them to do so, man, because there's a lot of misinformation about this case from the beginning since 2017. The Peruvian Ministry of Culture has been doing this. They've been planting information that is false for years.

And the fact that these two guys are not being as transparent as I wish they would be, I don't think it helps the case. So that's where I stand with that specific aspect of this. But what was the question again? I'm sorry that I went off on a tangent. No, no, no. It was important to talk about that too. Yeah, absolutely.

I'm glad you brought that up because it's, It's an angle that you don't really hear about a lot. The question was about some of the x-ray work that's been done. But I'll ask two questions now. Well, I'll stick with that one. But also, I made me think about the legality issue you were just speaking of. What would that do in your estimation to the, I guess, veracity of the claims? If they were brought into Mexico illegally, would that be a signal that they're doing

this for attention and that's you know they they faked the bodies that they brought or would it be a sign that they were just trying to get them in there no matter what legal or not the transportation of these mummies one thing that achidica did talk about which is to his credit was that they tried to get the bodies out with all the paperwork and everything but the peruvian government refused constantly. They went to their offices. They brought cameras. They were shut down every time. And they went like

close to 10 times. They tried. And they were ignored. And when the Ministry of Culture came out and said they were dolls, they used that as a loophole to get the mummies out. I'm not sure if that is legal exactly, but that's what they did.

in order to get them out and not get, like, put in jail right immediately after getting into the States. Because the Ministry of Culture to this day, they are still on the same boat. They claim that these bodies are constructed dolls, modern constructed dolls. And right now, the lawsuit that is taking place between Mausanne and the Peruvian Ministry of Culture is a $300 million lawsuit. And it is going Mausanne's way right now because the Peruvian Ministry of Culture they really don't know how to react

and how to respond to the lawsuit because if they do respond and they say that the bodies are real that takes credibility from them because of the first claims they made and if they don't and they stay on their on their stance

and if they're proven to be real, later, that would be even worse for them because they would lose the lawsuit and they would have to pay a lot of money. Yeah, that's insane. So I guess back with the x-rays, is there anything going on with that? Because I do remember hearing about x-rays being done. I think I remember seeing some pictures and even some video of a possible fetus that was in one of these beings. What do we know about that type of stuff. Actually, those x-rays were one of the first done on the mummy Monserrat, who is the one that is pregnant.

There's a really interesting video that I'm going to send you after we finish this from Joyce Montillas channel. He's the Peruvian journalist who's been covering this. And yes, there is an image where the fetus, you can see the fetus, and you can see the little arm, and you can see the three fingers inside of the womb. So how do you fake that? I mean, if these are faked, how do you do that? I don't know, man.

That's a tricky one for me. I have no idea how you can fake that. That's, I don't think it can be done, to be honest with you. But again, man. The bigger being with that, that was one of them. There's four beings that are very similar to us that have been talked about. There are two new ones that were presented like last week or something. something like that. But the ones that we know are Maria, and then there's Montserrat, who is the one

that is pregnant, and then there's Sebastian, and there's another little one. Sebastian seems to be like an early prepubescent kind of being, and the little one is a kid, and they're both like in a meditative posture, kind of. And yeah, Montserrat is the one that is pregnant. And yes, I saw that, that X-ray. And I was like, how is it possible to fake that? That's impossible. And what about the theory that, you know, these are just deformed humans? I mean, again, I guess it kind of goes back to some of the earlier work that we were talking about from the scientists that have been done. But I mean, I'm sure you've looked into that. I mean, Is there a possibility that these are just a group of the formed humans that we've come across?

That is something that I would like to get more transparency on because I asked this to the people that I interviewed. And they couldn't give me a straight answer. They just said that there are some from the diacom data and the x-ray data, there are like indications of the tendons that connect the three fingers to the hand like right here and that the tendons are three and inside the body that hasn't been tampered with for 1700 years that would be really hard to fake too especially back then so i don't know what how to explain the tridactal aspect of this because all of them are meaning three fingers and three toes right yes and that's what puzzles me about this whole

case because you can easily dismiss it simply by looking at the skulls the elongated skulls right there are many ancient cultures from mesoamerica that used to do that in the past they used to, the Mayas, they used to do it like this. And there are other cultures they used to do it like this. And put the cardboard flames right on the soft. And you could dismiss the case if they didn't have three fingers and three toes, you know? And, and yeah, that's, I'm still looking into that. I keep talking to, um, Professor Pioti, uh, about this. He stays in contact with me almost daily and we're going to do around three eventually and I am going to get into the tridactal aspect of this Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the

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So I can't say that that is true. Yeah. And that's a tough one because even if that was the case, like if there was some type of ritualistic amputations going on, then you would still have bone remnants in the hand and the feet that would show, you know, there was extra appendages there I would think, right? I mean, I'm not a doctor, but that's, I'm pretty sure that's the way it works. Yeah.

And that doesn't exist. It's not there when you look at the data. Do we know for sure, by the way, you said something really interesting that I think a lot of people gloss over frequently or maybe even gets it gets forgotten in this conversation. We say these 1700 years old. Do we know that for sure? Like have they done carbon dating on these things? Yeah, yeah. They did carbon dating on everything. And because they did also find other stuff that is more difficult to believe.

I've seen some of it. It looks pretty damn fake. But they did carbon dating on that that I saw. And they say it's over 6,000 years old. But the bodies are between 1,400 and 2,000 years old, depending on the specimen. and they were all already carbon-dated. Unbelievable. So now, you know, I have to ask you follow-up. What were some of the more unbelievable things?

I mean, I saw a head that is about the size of a man, a grown man's torso. Wow. That looks pretty fake, to be honest with you, at first glance. And there are hands that I posted on my Twitter that are, they have six phalanjis each. and they're tridactal too. And they're like, yay big. So we're talking like four feet, three feet long? Kind of like two and a half feet long, kind of.

And the head was like, yeah, like my hopeful torso, like 60 or 70 centimeters in diameter, kind of, which is like two feet in diameter. So we're talking about something that would be classified as as a giant you know yeah maybe and of course you know someone hears that and what pops into my head is would be is this some type of if it's if it's real and again all this is these are questions we're asking but that would point to some type of maybe nephalim connection for me anyway yeah and those are the the ones that were dated uh 6,000 years ago or so when the carbon

data was made on those. So that actually came back with that reading. Yeah. That's hard to reconcile. I don't know. I know. That's incredible. I know.

And I'll just keep saying it looks fake. Unless I get more data on it, to me, it's not real yet. But the other bodies, the ones that are more humanoid, those we have a lot of data on and very specific. and there's a lot more coming out over the next two months from not just these two universities in the U.S. There's another one in Canada and another one. I don't remember if it's Australia or the UK, but then they're big. They specifically asked to be kept in secret until the data is out.

Wow. So a lot more to come from this. And it's good that we've kind of gotten together now because it feels like, this is a good time to talk about it, Pavel, where we can talk about what's happened within the past year, because it really has heated up the conversation on this really has intensified over the past year. I know they've been around before, you know, going back, like you said, to 2017 or so. But this feels like a midway point. And we're going to find out more, like you said, as we go on. I'm curious to know for you, what has caught you off guard?

since you started looking into this. It could be something that happened a few months ago. It could be something that happened last week. What has caught you by surprise where you said, oh, wow, this might really be an extraterrestrial being here that we're looking at? I am leaning more towards cryptotterrestrial. Okay. Than extraterrestrial.

Because I see no connection yet between these beings. and UFOs. I see no connection yet. So that leads me to believe or think that these beings are from here. I asked Dr. Pioti if it was possible that the smaller beings that are supposedly our descendants may be like a past version of an adult being that was living here, the whole time. And when the catastrophes happened about 12,000 years ago, when the younger driest event took place, if it was possible that they just went underground because they may

have the technology. Right. And he was like, I guess it could be possible, but there's no evidence of that yet. So I can't say it is. But that's an interesting thought, he said. And yeah, That's what I think makes sense to me now. I'm always open to more data so I can get my mind changed, either one way or the other. As you can see, I am not married to any ideas. Yeah. I don't, to be honest with you, I just think it's a very interesting case that needs to be investigated. And the reason I started doing it is because I saw a lot of misinformation,

not just from the Peruvian government, but from a lot of researchers here in America and in the UK that were hell-bent on saying these were fake. And I was like, why are they so invested in this? If they're so fake and they're so unimportant, why do they keep making these videos and these hit pieces against them? So that's what made me interested. And what threw me off, what made me really go like, whoa,

was the correlation between Dr. Piotty and Dr. Michael Masters' theories. That's what really made me rethink everything. It was like. Yeah, because at that point you're talking about two different, I mean, obviously two different people, but different countries, different lines of work, of study, you know, different methods,

but they both came to a similar conclusion. Yeah, and Dr. Masters, I think that he's one of the most qualified people to talk about this. But he checked himself out of the conversation. And I respect that, man. I really like Dr. Masters. We occasionally speak.

He's a really cool dude. And I get that he's been attacked a lot by people from within the NASCAR Mommies research community. And I get it that he just wants to not be involved in the conversation. We have to respect that from him. But it is a shame, though, because, of this connection that I tell you about. Really, it's something. You've done really great work, Pobble.

It's been really awesome conversation. I appreciate you taking time to do this. Again, on short notice, I just reached out to you yesterday. And so I really appreciate you coming on. Because this has been great, and I've learned a lot, and I hope everybody else has, too. So, I guess, you know, a few more minutes here, if you still have time. Yeah, yeah. If you had to, like if someone came to, they said, all right, tell me why I should believe that this is a real possibility.

Conversely, also tell me why, okay, there's no way that this is real. Like what two things have you seen that could point you in either direction? I guess the yes, the real would be to speak to the scientists who have investigated this. for many more years than the ones that just started. They have like a seven-year advantage in research. And the fact that they're from Latin America doesn't mean that they're less of a scientist than the ones that were educated in Oxford or Harvard.

Right. Right. I think that we need to look at what they're doing and talk to them. Out of like nearly 50 of them who have already looked into these bodies, Not a single one has said they're fake. That would be my argument for the real. The argument for they're not real

would be the whole legality aspect that I talked about already. That would make me pause. And that's what's making a lot of people pause and dismiss it because of the involvement of some of these people and the way in which they're not being, 100% transparent.

And if they're being shady about it because of this lawsuit, they just have to come out and say that. We can't talk about it because there's a legal component to this and we're not allowed to. That would be valid for me, but they're not even doing that. So I think that needs to change. And I think that that would be one of the main reasons why I, I can't tell anybody who's dismissing this. You're wrong.

It's like, no, because there are inconsistencies that I also see. So I can't really tell you, no, you're wrong. They're real. No, you have your reasons to believe it. You have compelling arguments to say they're not real. So I guess what I can tell you, though, is that the case is not going away. It's just like what's happening with UAP. None of these topics are going away anytime soon, man.

We're in it for the long haul. And I do suspect that we are going to get some truth out of all of the anomalous cases we're studying right now within our lifetimes. I do truly believe that. Really interesting. They all said, too. I'll get you out on this, actually, because, you know, you talk about how we're not done. There's much more to come on this. case and you know a lot of the other ones that are going on these days and i completely agree with

you so on that note where do you see this particular case going say within the next six months to a year and what are your next steps personally in investigating this well i'm part of a group from i'm here in tijuana there's people at roswell who are researchers there's other folks in New Mexico, there's people in Spain. We are working together to get scientists to go to Peru. Because while the lawsuit is not resolved, we're not going to be able to get samples out of the country. So the second best option is to get scientists over there from different groups to study the bodies and study the samples and get to a 100% confirmation. that the bodies are real. That's what I'm trying to do with a group of people that I know.

I am trying to do it independently from any other entity that is trying to do this, mainly because I want to get my own results. I don't want to rely on other people's data. So that's what I'm trying to do. And I already have contact with people at Eka University. Dr. Roger Suniga is already talking to me, and we have spoken about getting samples to scientists from the U.S., and we're going to do that. And I am going to have Dr. Suniga, I think over the next two weeks, you're going to have some news on that on my Twitter page. That's huge.

Really big. All right. Well, we'll definitely keep an eye out for that. So how do you see this all going then with all that in mind, with all the work you have coming up? I mean, where do you think will be, let's just say, February of 25? If we do get 100% confirmation that they're real, the logical next step is to get all of the scientific community involved and get to the bottom of the hybridization data that there is already out there. If, because this is where I'm torn. I don't know who's right.

If Dr. Pioti is right and this was done, this hybridization was done naturally, or if Dr. Ranjali is right and the hybridization was done artificially. If it was done artificially, that means there is a non-human intelligence involved in this. If it was done naturally, that means that it's still one of the biggest discoveries in scientists. scientific history, but there may not be a non-human intelligence involved. Because by naturally, we mean two different species of humans, so to speak. Getting it on with each other. Yeah. Right. That's correct. Yeah. Well, this has been great, Pavel. Thanks so much for doing this. And, you know, for all the work

that you've done on it, because, again, you know, just to be able to shed some light on some of the recent things that are happening, the conversations that you had, the information you've come across. It's awesome, man. So definitely keep at it. And we'll keep in touch as you continue to work on it for sure. And we can come back and, you know, maybe get an update as you continue on investigating this. Maybe even talk about killing Mbapapé next time. Yeah. Leaving friends. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you for having me. It's been really nice. And yes, we'll definitely do follow up. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, good stuff. Thank you, Pablo. And tell people where to find you

so they can follow along with your work. Yeah, you can follow me on Twitter or X as Pavelli Barrameda all together. And on the screen, you can see SICO Activo podcast on YouTube and Spotify. You can find me there. Awesome. Pavel, great stuff. Thanks again for coming on here, UAP. We'll talk again soon. Thank you, Stephen. Have a good one. Just so damn fascinating. There are so many things to consider. Thank you again to Pavel for joining the show and for making himself available there was it was a lengthy interview actually went longer than i thought it was going to but the conversation was just really really intriguing so i wanted to keep going with them so thanks again to pavel for doing that and hopefully you all enjoyed that as well because it was it left me with a lot of questions

while we were talking and then afterwards even right now i'm thinking to myself okay so if we can prove with DNA test results that there are parts of the genome that that are unrecognized and what are we looking at here? And what about those giants, too? I mean, what the heck is that? I've still, I've been thinking about that since last night. I don't know what that is with, you know, what Pavel was saying. He said it looked fake in the pictures, but they're talking about, you know,

dates back to 6,000 years ago with these giant skeletons. I have no idea what to make of that. But man, is it strange? A lot of really incredible things to consider here with this conversation. which is why I wanted to do it, and I'm really happy with the way that it went, quite frankly, because it answered a lot of questions. It cleared a lot of things up. It kind of brought us up to date.

And now we just kind of have to wait and see, like, what's next. So we're going to be keeping an eye on it. And next time there's some big updates. I'll be sure to reach back out to Pavel to happen back on. I can't wait to see what happens next. And I'll be, like I said, ready to bring it to you, whatever does happen next. But speaking of things coming up next, what to look forward to next on UAP. I will be talking to next week, actually, John Stewart, who you may know from his work on the alien interview.

If you haven't looked that up, you can. It's the famous video of what looks like an alien being interviewed in some type of, you know, like CIA dark room. And he's done a lot of work on that. And he says it's real. this is the real deal. And I've always seen that video before. And I thought, man, what the heck am I looking at here? But he's done a lot of digging on that. And he reached out to me, actually, which I appreciate. Thank you, John, for reaching out to say, you know, he would love to talk to me about that video and his work on it. So I said, yeah, sure, that's one of those things, the alien

interview that has always caught my attention. And I've never known what to make of it. So looking forward to and excited to have on John Stewart from the Alien interview on next week here on UAP. That should be really, really interesting. And on top of that, something that actually just broke. There's a lot of, I think I mentioned it last time, there's a lot of serendipitous things that happen

with UAP, and they continue to happen, just timing with interviews and with people and stories that come out. And it happened again with John Stewart, where as we were talking about him coming on the show next week, he started referring to messaging

he was getting from an anonymous employee at DARPA talking about an impending alien invasion. I mean, this is wild stuff. Now, he didn't say yes or no to it. Is this real? Is it not? He's not sure. But the stuff that he's been putting out there from this email, which I appreciate because he has the same philosophy as I do, which is I'm just putting the information out there

and you can make up your own mind. You can think it's BS. That's completely fine. Or you can think there's actually someone in DARPA who is trying to, you know, to get this message out there. But there's a lot to cover when I bring on John Stewart next week from the alien interview and whatever the heck is happening with DARPA these days. It is really wild stuff that I'm not even sure has gone real mainstream yet. So if you haven't heard about it, if you're not sure what I'm talking about when it comes to DARPA and what's happening behind

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