UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 8-20-24 Anthony Williams part 1: The Rise of "Jellyfish" UFOs

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

US military intelligence insider, "Anthony Williams" returns to the show to reveal startling new details of previously unreported orb UFOs over multiple bases, along with the sudden rise of jellyfish UFO sightings over highly sensitive weapons testing installations. Do not miss this wildly revealing and unsettling interview. And it's only part one...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So it doesn't feel like a change. It feels like a continuation. Explore your options at kingsley Manor.org, A nonprofit month-to-month senior community within the Front Porch family. Welcome in to another new edition of UAP Weekly. I am Stephen Deiner back with you here as always on the Unidentified Alien Podcast weekly edition. And very happy to have Anthony Williams rejoin us here today on UAP for what I can only characterize as a wildly revealing interview, which actually I wrote that down. As after we were done, I wrote some notes to myself and I wrote the term wildly revealing.

And I think that's what you'll find this to be as we get into really just a wide range of subjects. And that's why actually this is going to be part one of our interview together. We ended up talking for close to two hours. And I thought, you know what? Let's just go ahead and split this up because there's so much in here. and it is long obviously like I said we spoke for nearly two hours just about really so we're going to go ahead

and split this up into two parts with part one of course being right now where we're going you're going to hear us talk about a lot of the new cases that Anthony himself is kind of digging into so if you're not familiar with

Anthony Williams before he's been on the show a bunch of times Anthony Williams is not his real name so just to remind you or to inform you about him He works as military intelligence analyst. He's a specialist in that area. And amongst many other things such as global affairs, he also works in the investigation of UAP reports over, you know, military installations and bases and things of that nature. And apparently there's a whole ton of them.

Not only, you know, and some of the ones that we've heard about before, like with Eggland Air Force Base or places like that, but in other ones around the country that you really don't hear about. There is test ranges in Utah. There is bases near Virginia or in Virginia where these things are being seen. All different types of UAP. Orbs, jellyfish. You're getting here about that. The first sightings of reported anyway. far as actual military personnel reporting in the U.S. of jellyfish UAP flying over U.S.

military installations. These are confirmed reports from military personnel of that happening more than once and more than one jellyfish craft UAP, whatever you want to call it, whatever those things are. This is really, like I said, revealing stuff. That's why I can only characterize this. entire thing is wildly revealing. So we touch on all that and more, all those new sightings, all those new reports that have come across Anthony's desk, things that the military intelligence

community are actively investigating and really don't know what to make out of it. The details on these are really quite incredible. So we're going to get into that in part one. And then in part two, you're going to hear us talk more about the implications of all of those things. the repercussions. What's really happened? What are the end result of all these things? So we get into that in part two, as well as Louelizondo's new book. We talk about the California sightings during this entire interview. And so much more, Las Vegas with the Kenmore family, Miami, MH370, Ashton Forbes. Again, a wide range of things we cover in here, including the October surprise that I've talked about a lot of different times with Nick Pope. with Anthony Williams, different guests or just even on my own that Carl Nell has mentioned before at the Salt Conference. So some of that stuff is in part two, which will come out in a couple of days after this part one interview. But I believe that both parts one and two will not disappoint at all for you because they certainly did not disappoint for me. So without any more hesitation or preface, I am going to go ahead and bring you part one now, Anthony Williams with his head.

inside information from U.S. military intelligence right back here on UAP. Enjoy. Very happy to welcome back in here today. Friend of the show, always gracious enough to come on and spend his time with us and his knowledge, the one and only Anthony Williams. Thanks so much for coming back on here, Anthony. Really appreciate it. Yeah, you're welcome, Stephen.

It's great to be here. And I'll always look forward to our discussion. So excited for this one as well. Yeah, it's always fun because. You know, every time we get to do one of these, it's usually, it's like there's a lot of pent-up stuff that happens. Because we talk every, we talk outside of the show, but on the show, we talk once every few months or so. And it's just because every few months or so, there's just a snowball effect. It's like one thing happens, another thing happens.

And all of a sudden you have this mountain of knowledge and information that you're coming across in your job as, you know, an intelligence analyst within the military. and all of a sudden it's like there's a million things happening. Yeah, today's no different. And even since you and I talked last week, there's even more going on. So looking forward to talking about it. Goodness gracious. Well, let's start with some of that stuff because you and I had a very interesting conversation last week. Again, you know, outside of the show where I ended up writing a full page, like a printer page,

not like a little notebook, like a nice size piece of paper of notes from the conversation that you and I had. And a lot of it stemmed from, you know, these things that people just are not hearing about. There's been a lot of very public sightings lately of the orb type of UAP. And I know, you know, it's not only happening in the public, but also kind of not in a very public way where it's not being spoken about a lot. One of them happening on May 17th at Schrever Space Force,

in Colorado Springs. What is, what was happening on May 17th at the Space Force Base in Colorado Springs? That is, so obviously our Space Force bases, you know, in Colorado Springs, actually all around the country are,

are highly classified. They're closed, they're closed off from the public. There's a lot of top secret work going on there. On May 17th, there was personnel from the base driving by and stopped at 7.50 in the morning, and there were two cylinder, think of Tick-Tac, but bigger, almost like a propane cylinder objects in the sky. They were metallic cylinders.

What was interesting about these is that they were, they were about the size of a Cessna, is what the witness reported. And this was an Air Force, an Air Force service member. familiar with aircraft. It was about 500 feet up, so very, very low. Wow. And there were two of them. And what's interesting is they were there and then they just disappeared. So normally in these reports that we get, when we get a report, it's not just a, you know, a story that's put it online.

That every unit has, any unit in the military has an intelligence office. So when someone files a report like this, it gets typed up, written up, validated, and then put into the system, which then feeds it into the larger intelligence community. So this report, when this came out, at 7.50 in the morning, this vehicle stops. At 805, the objects reappear, but they're canted at a different angle. So the initial sighting, they were completely vertical. and stuck in place. So hovering, not moving, not, you know, not any sort of power plant or system or engine or propellers or anything,

keeping them suspended, just hovering over the base. At 805, they reappear, and they're canted at a different angle. And they stay there for several minutes. Multiple observers saw this. And then again, they disappeared. Normally in a report, if they fly off or they accelerate at a rapid speed, we'll see that. But these reports are they just fade away. They just disappear in front of witnesses.

And it's important to point out something that you said in there was this is an official report. And I think it's something that you refer to as an IIR. And I feel so fancy here using these military abbreviations. So it's initial intelligence report, right? Yeah, an intelligence information report. Okay, that's what it was. Intelligence information report. So I still got it wrong.

Made a fool of myself. That's okay. I probably said it wrong last time we talked. That's okay. But this was reported. This is on the record as an official siting, Colorado Springs, over the space force base. So, I mean, this is, it's a really striking location. isn't out in an open field somewhere.

This is over a military installation. And the thing. And reported by military personnel. And I mean, did it go anywhere after that where seeing these things appear and reappear? Yeah. What's interesting is the terminology to say it disappeared. Right.

Normally, you know, they accelerate off or they fly off or they, you know, move out over the, you know, horizon and they're not visible anymore. This one, the report states that in both instances, they just disappear. This is really strange because, well, obviously it's strange, but what I mean by that is it kind of goes in line with a lot of the other reports lately of not necessarily the instantaneous acceleration, but the actual craft just ends up disappearing before somebody's eyes. So are we, I mean, do you think we're looking at some type of cloaking technology here, Anthony?

Because we're hearing a lot about that lately. Yeah, I don't think it would shock anyone to know that, you know, a type of cloaking camouflage is something that we've been pursuing for a long time. Yeah. And, you know, it's something that the military is done for, you know, hundreds of years, camouflaging. And so, you know, to find that some craft, you know, some craft. or something has the ability to do that is not a far leak. Do you know, well, maybe I'll save this question for later, but when it comes to just like you said, the camouflaging techniques,

I mean, do we have anything like that that would make an aircraft, you know, virtually disappear to your knowledge? So you're talking about, you're talking about active camouflaging systems. And the stuff that we have in development, the stuff that we have out on our different military, vehicles, whether that's ships or aircraft, is all really, really classified. Even the development of the technology is quite classified. Okay. So I think it is, you know, at least worth noting that, yes, of course, this is

something that the U.S. military wants and has worked on for a long time still actively working on, but we can't really say how far they've gotten with it. Right. Gotcha. Okay. Understood. I don't want to get you in trouble. So I won't. I hope. Don't push any further on that one. But they seems, you know, I guess the best way I can put it is with a siding like that, with an encounter like that, if you're putting in an official report, it's probably because you think, and maybe I'm making too many assumptions here, but it's probably because you think it's not yours, right?

I mean, if you think it's some type of training session with secret tech being done, then you're probably not going to put in the report, unless you're just left in the dark about this this project. Correct. And and furthermore, let's say I'm just an observer on the base that I work at and I see something and I don't know what it is and I put in a report, I go get debriefed and I explain everything I saw and then that report goes, you know, to the next level. If it is something that we're working on, that's not going to go any further. They're going to take that out. That's going to be, that, that, that's going to be, that, that, That's going to, you know, be removed and say, oh, yeah, well, we know what this is.

He didn't, but we do. And that's going to be removed. Okay. And that didn't happen in this case. It wasn't, wasn't removed. Okay. Well, another one, maybe we can try to get some answers on that I was amazed by this when you were telling me about it, June 6th at 2.15.

Now, also, this is all this year. I want to mention 20, this is all happening in 2024. This isn't something that was, you know, a few years ago. these are within, when you hear these dates, these are within days of each other, okay? So, June 6th, 2.15 p.m. at the Utah test training range. Am I getting that right? Correct. Which is where, by the way, can tell us where that is in Utah? It's a big swath of land. You can Google it. It's out in literally the middle of nowhere in Utah. And it's where we can test everything from missiles to aircraft, can, can dog fight, they can practice maneuvers that would be not safe to do over populated areas.

Is it like in the Tonapaw test range area? Is that kind or is that different? Very, very similar. Okay. So what happened there? Because, well, I know what happened, but I want you to tell everybody what you told me because this is really striking. We're seeing these types of UAP again. This wasn't a one off thing in Iraq. We're seeing more of these types you're about to talk about. Yeah, this is going to, I mean, I mean, this is, this was, this was something that got me to stop in my tracks just reading it.

So on, on the sixth, like you said at 215, radar picked up, you know, unidentified, you know, object, UAP. It's interesting to you. I don't know if now is the time to bring this up, but there are different terms, different military terms that mean different things. Yeah. And I know you and I were talking about it, but they reported a range fowler, you know, over the air. So range fowler is a military term for an unknown. They've got a radar hit, but the radar can't tell what it is. Okay.

So a lot of times if we have a radar hit of an aircraft, we can tell what it is. It's got a signal that it's pinging back that identifies it. You know, if we get a radar hit of a Russian bomber flying, you know, near the, you know, Alaskan Islands, we can tell what it is. But the term range fowler means that it's, it's pinging a signal that they're getting a radar hit off of it. They have no idea what it is. So aircraft that were training in the area where we're retasked to go make contact with

this object that was in the training range. And, you know, if you think back to Top Gunn in the movie, you know, when you have a bogey. It's a known entity, but we don't know if it's hostile or not. A bandit is something that we know is hostile. It's trying to attack or fight. It's an adversary that's actively being adversarial. When we make visual contact with a range fowler or a UAP, that's called tally. Talley's achieved. So the aircraft flew maneuvered to go make Tally. It made tally with it, and it was a jellyfish-looking UAP. So the jellyfish are back?

Jellyfish, not over Iraq, but over the Utah test training range. It's wild, man, because the last time we heard about this, really, for me, the only time I've heard about this, and maybe I'm just out of the loop on some of these things, but the only time I remember hearing about jellyfish UAP was the Michael Sinkowski video out of Iraq, which I believe was 2018. right when that video was captured and it's just the one floating over you know one of the cities there forget which city that was in in Iraq but yeah and there were claims that you know later in that video stuff that we didn't see you know it took off at a high rate of speed right the aircraft of course is moving at hundreds of miles an hour and it slowed down as much as it could and then when it came around again it was gone so wherever it went

whatever it did, it was unable to regain tally with it, and it was no longer showing up on radar. Which brings me to what I know you're going to ask about next is the very next day. Is that where we're going next? It sure is. The very next day at almost the exact same time, but it was the first on the sixth that was at 215, on the 7th at 207, radar hit again of eight range fowlers, roughly in the same area over the range.

Aircraft are alerted again to go out. This time the aircraft were able to get video of these eight objects, and they described them again as jellyfish balloon jellyfish looking things. And when a report comes in and says balloon, it doesn't mean because they're looking at a balloon. You know, when Commander Fravor says TikTok, it's not because he's looking at a giant piece of candy. You know, it's the term used to describe it. So people hear balloon or read balloon, they're like, oh, it was a balloon. Eight balloons.

That would be weird enough if there were eight balloons over a training range that just appear on radar and then minutes later just disappear. That would be weird enough. But that's not what we're talking about here. These are the same. And that video that we were able to look at is very much eight of what you saw open source from the video from Iraq. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand?

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Hawaii starts here. So a couple of things there. Number one, there were eight of these things. And the one in Iraq, it was just one. And the day before, there was, what, six? Am I getting that right? Six. So you have a total of 14 jellyfish UAP over a span of two days.

Now we can't say whether or not these are the same ones. The six came back with two more friends. I mean, you know, we don't know. There's really no way to identify that. But on June 6th, it's, they make contact with it as far as visual contact, not like, you know, talking over the radio. And then the next day on June 7th, they actually get them on video. So there is video of this encounter on June 7th with 8 jellyfish UAP over this Utah test range? Yes. The question is

can any of us see that video? Nope. That's what I thought. I wouldn't expect that you're going to be able to see that video anytime soon because of the location, the type of aircraft that we use to capture the video. There are

ways to black out different sensors on the screen to make things unclassified, but there has to be a drive or a will or a desire to declassified. I can classify something like that. So hopefully someone, I know, I know other people like Jeremy Corbell is really good about filing Freedom of Information Act things. You know, if someone wanted to do that, they can do that. But the military has creative ways to turn down almost all those if they want to.

Right, right. And I think that's something important to harp on too is why it remains classified, of why we won't be able to see those videos until who knows when is because of, of where the video is taken over this, you know, sensitive training ground and because of the equipment used to take the video. It's not necessarily because of what was being filmed. Or, I mean, is that part of it? Or it's basically just because of what we said?

No, that's right. That's exactly right. There are certain types of equipment that we use, that, you know, the capability that we have to capture and collect those things, just the fact that we're able to do that remains classified. It's amazing stuff, man. I mean, to think about, I hadn't heard about any other jellyfish instances until you told me about those. And those just happened a couple of months ago.

We're talking at the beginning of June. I mean, I haven't heard of anybody else. Yeah, we've not seen any of that either, you know, at all. So within our group, within our community, that's why I said when I was reading it, it stopped me in my tracks. I was like, wait, are we talking about jellyfish? over U.S. airspace, and we are. What is that reaction like for you guys? You know, for you personally and for other analysts in your community, when you come

across a report like that, is it just, you know, like anybody else? Like, holy cow, you got to see this. This was a real deal occurrence here. I mean, right away, right away we look at it and try to try to analyze it from the aspect of can we identify something about this? Is this, you know, I'll never forget, I was watching a video online. This is years ago. And all the traffic was stopped.

Everyone's getting out looking at this, you know, it looks like a spaceship. And then one of the guys recording the video, Zoom's way in, it's the good year blimp. Oh, yeah. So, you know, so a lot of times when we get these videos and we get these reports, the first thing we try to do is, okay, understand that it looks like blimbing. blank, can we identify anything about it that we can put this in the category of identified? So, you know, when you see that video and you look at it, you know, I'm trying to identify tether or multiple tethers coming off of it with collection equipment.

That would be something that an adversary would try to do. Or a balloon swarm or multiple drones that they're launching, where if we can defeat one or two or three, there are multiple collecting. this doesn't fall into any of that. When you look at it, nope, that's weird. You know, I can't explain that. I don't know what I'm looking at.

So it is. It's very, it's very, to say anomalous sounds redundant, but it's, you feel like, okay, we've got one. That's one that's going to go in the unexplained category. And there's nothing about it makes sense. And it still is, right? I mean, you know, a couple months later,

has anything been figured out with these? No, and here's the thing. If you look at U.S. airspace, whether we have Army aircraft, Navy aircraft, Air Force aircraft, NASA aircraft, the responsibility for guarding the homeland airspace that you and I live in and, you know, not all of your listeners, but a lot of the listeners here in America, the responsibility for guarding that airspace is the Air Force. and the Air Force, I know we've talked about it before, but they are noticeably absent in the discussion of what they have the responsibility for safeguarding. This is another example. These are Navy aircraft that are engaging and identifying these things, recording these things. And the Air Force has no answer for it.

It's unbelievable. What about the size of the jellyfish UAP? Is it similar in size? the one that we saw in Iraq? Are these bigger? Are these smaller? I mean, did they pretty much look exactly the same as in that video? They really look exactly the same. Wow, but just more of them. More of them. Yep. And, you know, six the first day, eight the second, could have been eight the first day, but only six were visible, only six were hitting on the radar. You know, there's no telling. But for them to be there one day, for them to disappear, reappear almost at the same

exact time. There's something there's something off with that. So before I move on here, Anthony, too, because there's a lot more, what's being said? I mean, your personal assessment and even some other assessments of your fellow analysts, what's being said about these? Is it really just kind of shrug your shoulders? We don't know what this is. Yeah, it's, it's really a mixed bag. Half the people want to write it off and not, not really discuss it. And the other half, you know, are in the camp of, now that's not normal. So it's really a mixed bag. The unfortunate reality is without more information,

and a lot of these reports, there'll be a follow-up report. To these reports, there's been no follow-up. There's been nothing done to confirm or deny anything beyond what's on the video. So there's just not a lot of information to do. anything with. And so this goes into that, if you think about the UAP task force or Arrow, this would fall into those, one of those that Sean Carpatrick could get a pass on saying, well, we don't really have enough data. Well, we have enough data to know that something very weird was in our airspace, something that came in, did whatever it was doing, and left, and we couldn't do anything about it. the fact that we don't know what it is and that we don't have the data to discern any more information doesn't change the fact that radar picked up something our aircraft found something and there

wasn't anything we could do about it. Unbelievable. And that's it's it's really something. I mean, when you really put it into that context. And do you think it excuses or maybe even erases one of the debunking theory, from the Iraqi jellyfish UAP. Some people were saying that that one resembled a balloon that would be used for one of the religious Muslim holidays

that happened to be going on around the time that the jellyfish UAP video was taken in Iraq. But now we're seeing those same things over U.S. airspace. So, I mean, does that kind of take that explanation off the table? I mean, Utah, there's a good Muslim population in the United States. United States as well, but, you know, Utah is not known for their large amount of mosques out in the Utah test range. Yeah.

Or anywhere here. I'm talking about hundreds of miles, you know, hundreds of square miles of terrain. So I would say that that absolutely debunks that. And there were all sorts of theories that were being floated about, you know, smudges on lenses and, you know, actual balloons or, you know, all sorts of stuff. I'll tell you that where that video was stored, the one from Iraq, where that was stored on the drive. During the War on Terror, we had these drives full of videos that were funny videos, interesting videos, things that are different cameras and captured. That jellyfish video remained in there because it confused everybody.

And all sorts of different examples or excuses, not examples, all sorts of different excuses were made. of what that could have been. But I would say that seeing almost the exact same thing, but in greater numbers, over a training range that's hundreds of square miles in size, absolutely validates the video from Iraq as well. So I think just before we move on, I know I said that five minutes ago, but this is just so fascinating when it comes to the implications of this.

because the bottom line is when it comes to the jellyfish UAP anyway, if we're going to categorize these things, which we tend to do, the main point is what you said a few minutes ago, which is it's flying with impunity over a secret U.S. installation, very top secret area, so secret that we can't even see any video that's taken, let alone jellyfish UAP or bird flying over. It doesn't matter. We can't see any video that's being taken over that area just because

of the location itself. And that's where these things are flying without any hesitation, without any defenses against it. They're just there and we can't do anything about it. Yep. That's correct. Unbelievable. Well, we're not going to lighten up too much,

unfortunately, because going from that, we go to actually the same day, Anthony. And this is where I was really going wild because you told me about something that happened. Again, on that same day, June 7th, in Wallops Island, Virginia, I'm getting that right? Yeah, that's correct. A gray metallic sphere that was stationary in 33 not winds?

Correct. What's going on there? So radar, so this is, and it's, it was actually 20 miles southeast of Wallops Island, Virginia, out in what we call the Atlantic test range. So that is out over the ocean, again, similar to the Utah training and test. range, it allows our aircraft to do maneuvers, train in ways that we couldn't do overpopulated areas. So that spans from up around Maryland all the way down through the Carolinas, you know, and it's this big swath of terrain over the ocean. So about 20 miles southeast, our ground-based radar

gets a hit, again, of a range fowler, an unidentified object, at 17,000 feet, 20 miles southeast of Wallops Island. So there are aircraft in the area, FAA 18 aircraft. These happen to be Marine Corps aircraft, but Navy Marine Corps, you know, same planes, just different branch of service, that get remissioned off of their training mission and sent to try and go make visual of this. I know I've been saying make contact, but make visual with this object. They get visual and make tally with it. And it is a gray, the exact description was gray, metallic, shiny steer with no flight surfaces, no visual means of propulsion, suspended at 17,000 feet, and 33 knot winds.

And I think you and I've talked about this before, but what impresses me as much as hypersonic speed, human beings had achieved hypersonic speed with various different things, whether it's weapons systems, you know, we're seeing it in Ukraine and, you know, Russia and China and the U.S. and all these great powers are, you know, are achieving hypersonic flight with different weapon systems. What is equally impressive to me is when these things are not moving at all.

all. When they're able to suspend and stay in place, they're not doing it with propellers or jet engines or anything that would make sense for it to hover. It's just there. So they go and make tally with this, fly by, see it, and it disappears. They come around to make another pass, it disappears. That was at 116 in the afternoon, at 1.16. At 1.1.1.5. At 1. one 24 in the afternoon. They get a radar hit again, and it's not one this time, it's two. And they're about

two miles apart on radar. The aircraft again are remissioned. They're diverted off of their training task to go make tally, but they can't achieve tally. Meaning the radar is hitting these things. It can tell that there's an object there. The aircraft gets to the

location of where these objects should be, and now they're not there. They can't see them. It's not that they're not. there but they can't they can't make any visual and this is these are clear blue sky days there's nothing that should impede the pilot's ability to see these things other than the fact that they're not they're not visible let me let me ask you a question on that Anthony we talk about not visible but showing up on radar but not visible so we have one option which is what we talked about earlier is some type of cloaking technology being you know

initiated there but another option, and I don't know if this is even an option, so that's why I wanted to ask. Is it possible they're underwater at that point, but still showing up on radar? Is that even a thing? Or I don't know how that would work? There are all sorts of different parallax effects that can take place, right? I don't know of anything that can be underwater and give a radar signature at 17,000 feet. Gotcha. Well, okay, so it was giving a signature at 17,000 feet. It wasn't just simply showing up. No, you're talking about three months.

miles up. Okay. That is, you know, that I would say is probably not possible. Gotcha. Okay. I miss that part then because I'm thinking myself, well, where did they go that? I mean, it's impossible. They're just underwater, but it's a good

if it's, you know, pinging back at 17,000 feet, then the answer is no, they're not underwater. So basically they're just there, but they can't be seen. Yeah, and if we think about what other pilots have publicly said, and I'm thinking about Ryan Gray's specifically.

Right. He has stated that once the F-18 Super Hornet had their radar systems upgraded, they started to get radar hits of these things. So is it a thing that now we're getting radar hits, but there's an active camouflaging or cloaking ability? I don't like the term cloaking so much. much because the radar is getting a hit. It's just not visible with the human eye.

So there's something there. It's just not visible. Would camouflageing be the more proper term in that case? I think so. You know, cloaking camouflaging, it's probably just a play on words. But, you know, it's to me that would represent an active, you know, an active camouflaging thing. again within U.S. airspace, 20 miles off our coast is still considered our airspace. Yeah. To kind of harp on something, which is this is something that you mentioned Ryan Graves,

Louelizondo, you know, who's got the book out now with Eminent, which we'll talk about a little bit later. These are guys, amongst many others who have talked about many times it's a national security threat in their eyes because of what you said, which is you have these crafts flying with impunity over our most sensitive areas when it comes to military installations. And it just keeps happening. And no one really pays attention to it, which is why I've really wanted to cover all this with you today, because no one's paying attention to how much it's actually happening. We hear reports.

We pay attention to what Lou Elizando is saying and some of these other guys in the community. And it's all important. But I think what people miss sometimes is what you see. which is the how often it's happening, the frequency at which this happens and there just can't be anything done to stop it and we can't figure out what's going on. Yeah, and you know, the frequency question,

you know, whenever we see things or new things, whether that's new tactics that an enemy is using on a battlefield somewhere, whenever we see things and we see a trend, friend like IEDs, for instance, when we first started to see IEDs during war and terror, and then we started to see an increase in IEDs. You know, people ask the question, are we seeing more of them or are we just noticing them more? So I would say when we're talking about UAP activity, the questions or the answer is probably both.

We're a lot more comfortable for sure with reporting these things, having these open discussions than we were even five years ago. That for sure there is a general comfortability where people, even in my community, can have this discussion. And I think I've told you stories before about being in the office, being in the SCIF, having discussions about these things where that would have been a taboo topic. It would have been like, why are we wasting time talking about this right now? We have real work to do.

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Like if you thought all the other ones, and especially within how close, not only the day, but to the hour, right? We're talking around 1 p.m. in Virginia on June 7th, and then you're talking about around 2ish p.m. in Utah, as far as, you know, Utah times, I know the time difference is there between Virginia and Utah, but it's really with only a few hours within each other,

you have jellyfish UAP, you have orbs that are disappearing in two separate states, almost around the same time within a few hours. But you also had something very interesting happen in Langley, Virginia. And we know Langley very well. A lot of people recognize that name because that's CIA headquarters. But what happened over there, Anthony? This is wild. This is the one I took the most notes on because I was just like mind-blown when you were telling me about this.

Yeah, this is crazy. And since we talked, I did a lot more digging into this. And this is not an isolated thing. This has happened a lot. Is that right? And this was in March? The first one, though? Was it in March?

There's actually several over the several incidents that we're going to talk about. Okay. That are almost identical over the past several years. Oh, wow. So the first one I found goes back to 2023. So, but but the same exact thing. When we talk about classified or sensitive military strategic locations, whether we're talking about nuclear missile silos or Langley Air Force Base or, you know,

Shrever Air Force Base, there are obviously locations of interest not just to a non-human intelligence, but they're of interest to our adversaries. So when we have an incursion, the knee jerk is to think what adversary is doing this? you know, is it Russia, is it China, is it Iran, is it North Korea, you know, is it Venezuela? Is it, you know, is it some adversary out there that is, you know, trying to collect on us? But what's at Langley? You talked about CIA headquarters. We also have our highest technology stealth fighters that are stationed there, that deploy from there that take off there.

And again, this is an Air Force base. Air Force has proponents for defending our U.S. airspace. and, you know, freedom of movement. What happened for a two-week period were swarms of these orbs, moving in and out, being stationary, chaotic, haphazard movements all around the airspace for weeks. When these reports came in, there were multiple reports,

multiple witnesses on these bases, radar hits, everything. The problem with this is that it raises three issues. One, you hear a lot of people talk about, you know, flight safety. You know, what if an aircraft runs into one of these things? Right. I find it interesting that something that can evade us so easily, yes, it is a safety hazard having them up there, but it's not like they're not going to move out of the way. You know, but that's one issue.

Two, if it is a sensor that is collecting on our most sensitive locations with impunity and we can't do anything about it, that is a huge strategic risk for the United States. for our whole of government, for our Department of Defense, our intelligence service, our State Department, everything. If they can just suspend there, collect, move around, and we can't do anything about it, that's a major issue. And then the third issue, to me, and to our community is if these things are armed in any way, if they wanted to take a hostile act or a hostile action or a lethal act or kinetic activity, whatever you want to call it, we have no real way of preventing that.

So right around D.C., the Langley area, you know, all around Virginia, it's our most sensitive areas. Yeah. You know, with running the government in general. What's interesting is, so we have those incidents there in Virginia, and the incident in March, we're talking about, we're saying incident, but these are multiple incidents for weeks on end. Imagine going to work there.

I don't work there, but imagine going to work there. And it's like, oh, they're here again. Okay. Are we going to talk about it yet? Nope. We're just go get your coffee. Sit down at your desk in a row. I can't imagine, you know, what's going on in that environment.

But I do know that if, if you have. have no ability to stop this, you're probably not going to advertise that. You're probably not going to want that out and say, oh, hey, there's things flying all around our most secret bases and we can't stop them. Yeah. See you later. Yeah. You know, that's, that's not going to, that's not going to age well with the American citizen,

you know, with, you know, I can only imagine the calls that, you know, congressional representatives are going to get, you know, different people in government are going to get, especially from the citizens that live around this area. Hey, is this a risk? Am I at risk? You know, what's going on? And for the government to be able to tell you, we have no idea. It's not real reassuring.

So that, you know, my opinion, I think that's why these things are not coming out. And again, Air Force, where's the Air Force? You know, I've seen briefings where Air Force pilots, crewmen are taught how. how to report these things. And I know that they're probably reporting, but none of these things are coming out of the Air Force. If you notice almost all the whistleblowers, other than Dave Grush,

who was Air Force, almost all the whistleblowers, all of the people that are talking, all the reports we're reading, they're coming from the Navy. You know, I was going to ask you that because you talk about, you know, Air Force,

you don't really hear a lot from them, again, except for David Grush, and you hear more from the Navy. And even before, where we're talking about these interagency reports, right? When we're talking about these jellyfish sightings over Utah or whether it's Virginia or Colorado Springs. And you're trying to find out information. It sounds like there's almost roadblocks between agencies and military branches.

Am I off on that? Because that's kind of what Lou Elizondo talked about too. You know, you talk about some of these things these guys have said who have headed these departments and they talk about these roadblocks that they come across. where you're stonewalled by people who are supposed to be working with you. Do you see that? Oh, absolutely. And if nothing else, you know, when the Pentagon spokesperson gets up to, you know, take an interview or, you know, a press conference,

they're the ones that should be answering these questions. Hey, what was that? What are those things flying over our base for weeks at a time? What's going on? And, you know, I've jokingly talked about it with you. I don't remember if I've said it on the podcast, but if I were going to write an article or an op-ed on this, it would be titled, where's the Air Force?

Yeah. Where are they on these things? You know, what is going on? You know, because they're the ones that should have to make sense of this and relay it and reassure the American people. It's not the Navy's job to do that. It's every branch of services job to report things that they're seen, regardless, but it's the Air Force's job

to defend the airspace over the United States. And what branch? And command and NORAD are responsible for that. What branch were you in again, Anthony? If you can say, the Army. Okay. I just want to make, for anybody who hadn't heard that before and the other times you've been on here, just in case they're wondering,

we're like, oh, you know, is Anthony Air Force? Why isn't he telling us more? But you were in the Army. I just wanted to throw that out there for anybody who didn't know. But it is, I mean, have you come across that yourself, like personally, where you're trying to figure something out and you're kind of getting, you know, the runaround from different agencies?

I won't say runaround. I would say glaring silence. Disturbing, deafening silence. When you go to search for these things and you look for these reports and the only thing you can find are Navy and Marine Corps reporting, the Air Force has more sensors.

They have more, they have more ability to be aware of this than any other branch of service and they're the least reported. I can't find any really from the Air Force. It's pretty striking distinction there. What's over by the Wallops Island area in Virginia? Because we talk about Langley, we know what's there. We talk about Utah Test Range in Colorado Springs, Space Force Base. What about Wallops? Why that area? So again, to your point of volume of sightings, these things off our East Coast are not new. They're happening almost every day. While I'm silent in the report, it is really just used as a reference marker.

It's not mentioned because of its significance in any other way. but it's used more as a reference marker when you're looking at the totality of the Atlantic test range, you're looking at the 17 to 19,000 foot band and you're looking 20 miles southeast of Wallops. Gotcha. So really this is just more of a test range airspace issue than it is using the name Wallops as far as Virginia is concerned.

Correct. Unbelievable stuff, man. I mean, again, the frequency of which this stuff happens, that it's being reported, that it's being noticed, and it just keeps happening and keeps happening. Yeah. Do you feel like you guys are getting any closer to answers of what these things could be and who are controlling them? Well, so there's two things with that. And I've got another one that you and I haven't talked about yet. Oh, good.

But, you know, to answer your question, I don't know that we're getting closer to identifying these things. I think we've gotten closer to affirmatively say they are anomalous. We don't know what they are. And I think the more that that comes out, the more we're seeing almost like a slow disclosure. And, you know, my brother up in Iowa, him and I talk about this stuff a lot. And he's a brilliant, brilliant person in his own right. right, not affiliated with government work of the military in any way today. But there's a lot of people like him that are not, you know, they're intelligent people.

And so when we see these reports over and over again, he's a good study. And to me, a good pulse of, you know, what the average citizen is seeing and thinking. I believe the more we acknowledge that these things are out there, that we don't know what they are. And the more we're hearing government people say this, We're almost being conditioned to understand that there are things out here in the world that we just can't explain. And we're being conditioned to be okay with that and comfortable with that. I go back to David Grush's testimony that he gave. And a lot of people, you know, we have such a short Twitter X short form communication memory now.

And it's really unfortunate. but the biggest part of David Grush's testimony happened at the very beginning when he rose when he raised his right hand and he swore that the testimony he was giving was the truth when you do that if you're lying you're in contempt of Congress right and you go to jail it's a crime and it was a big deal there were a lot of people that didn't want him to be sworn in there were a lot of people in Congress that were pushing not to swear him in because then they could just write off everything he said. So to me, I think we're seeing slow disclosure and we're, we're seeing it at a more rapid rate, if that makes sense. So I don't know that we're getting

any closer at identifying what these things are, but I think, I think we're seeing more and more of these things. And we're being conditioned to understand that there are just things we can't explain. Is that intentional? And what I mean by that, Anthony, is do they just want people to accept the fact, right? Like, live with it. It's there. We can't say what it is. Maybe we're not even sure what it is. So just live with it instead of, hey, we're going to, we're going to tell you eventually what this is. Yeah. Well, I think back to World War II, right? And World War II, when the U.S. first got in the war, the German Panzer tank was far superior to anything that we had. A horrible recruiting pitch would have been, hey, hop in the second best tank in the world.

Can't defeat the enemy, but can sure make a lot of noise. Like that's not a good thing. We don't feel comfortable acknowledging when we don't know what something is. We don't know how to think about it. We don't know how to compartment it. We don't know if these things are adversary. We don't know anything about them. That is very unnerving.

And when we talk about societal reaction, you know, I think back to, you know, well, can we tell the American people or not? I think the American people can handle it. I think the world and humanity can handle the truth. I just think it becomes politically unpalatable when you have something so significant, so unknown, And we have no answers. That is politically unpalatable in today's environment. And our U.S. politics, not to get into right or left, but it's more volatile than I've ever seen it. We are living in very significant times.

You know, we have an attempted assassination on a president. We have the entire, you know, populace trying to be yanked into one, in the different directions. And it's, you know, it's, it's very, it's very stressful right now, just being here. And so I really believe that, that this is, you know, the only way to say we don't know something and that we have no idea what these things are is to do it real slowly and condition a population for the reality that we might, we might just not know what they are. And thus ends part one of this discussion.

with Anthony Williams. And a pretty sobering note to end it on, and I understand that, but it really is one that makes you think, that is for sure. Again, all the implications, you know, what does all this mean as far as a big picture goes,

and how do they continue to kind of approach it when it comes to any type of disclosure and strategies behind that? There were a couple more thoughts after that as well that I'll just add in here you know that kind of will build a bridge between this and part two where you know we kind of continued a little bit after that saying what's worse is that either they you know the government does know what they're dealing with and they aren't saying anything out of a sense of you know a

strategic security you know a strategy of it you know to avoid panic so to speak or just to hide secrets of of you know reverse engineer tech or is it another option it may be a worse option where they do know, but they can't do anything about it. So if that's the case, and this is kind of the point that Anthony was making during the episode, which was if they do know and they can't do a damn thing about it, then how does the government tell its people that, right? Hey, guess what? You're helpless to an interstellar threat, have a nice day.

I mean, how does that really come across? So it's those kinds of things that really, when you dig deep into this discussion, when you look at all of the reports that Anthony was talking about, you really start to consider, okay, what is the bigger picture here? And I know we've asked that question before. Like, anytime you have one of these, you know, major sightings, or you hear about some type of, you know, encouraging over a base or a secret nuclear installation,

we start thinking about the bigger picture, which is, you know, those questions, which are those questions. If we know about it, why aren't we doing anything about it? Or can we even do anything about it? So these are the kinds of things that really kind of stick in my head. And I think that Anthony paints a picture of so well. And that's why I always enjoy having him on here, because he just put such a great perspective on this discussion.

It's kind of unique, right? A lot of people aren't in his position where he's in this every single day. And he understands how, you know, the inner workings of military intelligence and the government and everything like that. So it's always great to get his perspective, which is why I enjoy bringing that to you. And there's going to be more in part two. I can tell you that definitely things to look forward to such as I wanted to get his take on some of the things I've spoken about before with different guests.

So it was really cool to hear his opinion on the Las Vegas case with the Kenmore family, the things that I went over with Scott Rotor, you know, as far as the aliens in the backyard, the pictures and things like that. So we talk about that. I get his take on that, the Miami Mall case. He had a really good opinion on that and a really good perspective. MH370 was a fantastic conversation when we talked about what Ashton Forbes has brought forward and some of the things that Anthony could and could not say.

And again, I keep using the word, but I think it's the best one, his perspective on the video itself that shows the airplane disappearing and the validity of that video. Really cool to hear his opinion on that. of how, again, he knows the inner workings of all these things. So we get into a lot of that stuff. Lou Elizando, other future whistleblowers, October surprise, you know, will we see that as far as a disclosure date? Really, really cool and interesting stuff still to come in Part 2.

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