UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 8-22-24 Anthony Williams part 2: "Disclosure Date" & More Revelations

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

Stephen Diener and Anthony Williams conclude this conversation by discussing the validity behind some famous cases such as the Miami mall, the Kenmore family backyard in Vegas, and the technology behind the disappearance of MH370. Plus, are we truly nearing the disclosure date? Anthony says the document he saw was the real deal...See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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with Military Intelligence Insider, Anthony Williams, as we go over even more revealing information here that really aren't getting anywhere else. What I've done with Anthony Williams is really unique because of everything that he is willing to talk about in his position as, you know, an active military intelligence analyst. This is the stuff that he comes across. And I actually had a lot come to my mind over the past day or two, just kind of thinking about everything that we've spoken about and how it relates to what Lou Elizando has actually been saying over the

past couple days with the release of his book Eminent. And I'm going to save some of those thoughts for the very end because I want to put out the entire interview first and that'll get into what I'm thinking about when it comes to some of the things that Anthony revealed in part one of this interview, which came out a couple days ago. If you missed that, then by all means, feel free to go and listen to it. You don't have to listen to part one before you listen to part two. If you want to hear this one first, that's fine. You don't have to go stop and listen to part one. But in this part here, you're going to hear us talk about. a question that's really kind of been on my mind for a while. It's really one of the main questions that's on my mind a lot when we talk about sightings over military bases or just sightings in general. And that is, why can't this be our tech that's being tested, right? Especially when we talk about, like in part one, we spoke about the jellyfish UAP that we're seeing over the Utah testing range.

Who is to say that isn't, you know, secret military tech? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, or is it adversarial? They're flying over a, you know, these top secret testing range. Maybe it's China or Russia that, you know, are flying these jellyfish UAP as some type of surveillance tech that is foreign to us and it's spying on our top secret testing ranges. Those are questions that I think deserve to be asked that get brought up and that I brought up to Anthony in this part two of the interview. and his answer is something that I hadn't considered before. So, and it actually made a lot of sense to me. So we get into those questions and those answers,

as well as a lot of other things. We talk about California, the sightings there over this weekend. Some of the other things that I mentioned at the end of Part 1. We do talk about the Vegas sightings, the aliens in the backyard of the Kenmore family. MH370. We talk about Ashton Forbes and what Anthony can and can not say about some of the secret tech that Ashton has brought up before as far as warp drive. and things of that nature.

Free energy. You know, what has been worked on behind the scenes in the private sector and within U.S. military is some of that stuff going on. So we get into those questions of the validity of the video itself from MH370. I found Anthony's answer to be really interesting on that, the Miami case. So there's a lot in here that we transitioned into after the conversation you heard in part one that I think is just really fantastic stuff. So I enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed it as well. And then some final thoughts here after the conclusion of this conversation.

So stick around for that as well. And you're also going to hear what actually amounted to a mass siding at another U.S. military base. But this time, that didn't involve the United States. This is a marine base in a different country, an allied country of the United States. So you're going to hear about that really interesting. Again, stuff that isn't being. reported anywhere else, which I really appreciate Anthony for doing that, for bringing that here on UAP so you can hear it exclusively right here on the show. So I really appreciate him doing that

because this is really fascinating stuff that needs to be heard. So without any further ado, I'm going to get to it all right here. Here's part two of my conversation with Anthony Williams, Military Intelligence Insider on UAP. As we pick up the conversation where we left off talking about how the government is handling the disclosure question. What can they reveal if they do know anything and how would they do it? What kind of pickle are they in? So here it is now. Enjoy.

If they do know what it is and we can't stop it, how do you tell somebody that? I mean, look at how it went with the Chinese spy balloon. We knew what that was. And people were furious, you know what I mean? As it traversed across the country. And so if these things are doing that every single day, we have to ask, well, why are they doing it? What information are they trying to collect? And for what purpose?

And then the other question would be, well, why can't we stop them? And that's a really unsettling thing to try to answer. Well, and not only that, but, you know, again, and I hate to keep going back to this, but if you go back to David Gresh's testimony, he knew places and locations, you know, where these things were kept, biologics, crafts. non-human origin. He swore to that, that that was the truth before Congress. He filed the report. People like, well, we never saw the report. The government got the report.

He filed all that with the Inspector General, the Intelligence Community Inspector General. And the Inspector General's findings were this is something that needs to be critically addressed as soon as possible. It wasn't, hey, this is the guy who's full of crap. It was, hey, this is real and we really need to do something about this. Now, why nothing's been done, you know, to me, to me, if you just look at those facts,

to me, disclosures happened that we are just being spoon fed a little bit at a time. And I don't know that we're going to get, you know, everything our government knows about it. And I think if we did get everything our government knows about it, I don't know that we'd believe it anyway. that is that is something funny isn't it to me because even with this past weekend what did you make of this past weekend with some of the California sightings were you able to keep up with that at all oh yeah yeah the Palmdale sightings so you know that is right outside Edwards Air Force Base right it is right in line with everything else that we're seen exactly you know with all the other reports absolutely and again unlike

unlike a lot of these unfortunate witnesses, when you have a mass sighting event, you can get someone to fabricate a story. You can get someone to lie. You can get someone to say anything. You know, pay someone the right amount of money. I can get them to say, you know, anything, right, once. But to get a whole group of people that have no,

no motive and no benefit and no gain in any mass sighting, you know, to me that, that's valid. You know, quantity has a quality all of its own. So to be right outside Edwards Air Force base like that is right in line with all the other sightings and recordings that we're seeing on our end. So it really does kind of connect though, right? I mean, when you talk about it, again, these areas, these locations, it's not a coincidence that these are where these sightings are taking place. I mean, when it comes to, you know, near bases, near nuclear installations, like the one we talked about in Colorado that still is not being brought up in, you know, as far as a mass

type of conversation where it was flying over twice, you know, these secret nuclear installations in the Colorado and Wyoming area that's always with these areas. There's almost just as many down in your neck of the woods around Eglin Air Force Base. Yeah, what the heck is going on there? Yeah, so it's the same type of stuff. You know, you and I've talked about different, and I don't remember if we've talked about it, you know, on the podcast, but we talked about it. different shapes of craft before, you know, and all these different things, whether they're

triangles or cylinders or tic-tacks or or orbs or jellyfish or whatever these different shapes are. We, we have different vehicles for different things. If we need to get someplace, you know, we might happen a car or a truck, but they're different. If we need to get someplace further, it might take an airplane. And, you know, you may ride a tractor today, but it's only when you need to mow your lawn. So we have different vehicles for different things. We're seeing a lot of orbs and a lot of triangle and a lot of cylinders around our military installations. We are. And so I have to think that there is a reason why we're seeing those type of craft in those

areas. And a lot of people want to write off, well, you know, we're about 50 years behind top secret tech that the military is developing. That is accurate. The general population is about 50 years behind. If you look at the F-16, Ukraine's asking for F-16s and all stuff. We designed that in the 60s. That is not a new airplane.

You know, so, yes, these, these, what are we that far behind? That there's orbs that are, you know, we have specific areas where we test top secret things. So you can probably write off a lot of sightings in certain areas that they could potentially be top secret. vehicles and aircraft that are being tested, but not across every Air Force base everywhere. And I've got another one for you if you're ready for it. I am. Actually, I was going to say, are you still good on time? Because we've been talking an hour, which is incredible. I'm good. I've got another one for you.

Okay, good. It feels like we've only been talking 15 minutes, honestly, to me. So this has been a great conversation. Appreciate it. Eight different reports came in from the Marine Corps base. in Japan. Same type of sightings. And when you think Japan, you're thinking China, you're thinking, oh, this is probably easily written off as Chinese drones in there. No, these are the same exact type of orbs all throughout the airspace, different

altitudes over near around and over the water near our Marine Corps base in Japan. You're kidding. When did this happen? So the reports hit that I saw last week. Now, I would have to go through report to report to report to get in all the different dates. That's eight different reports. Eight different things filed at different times, mass sightings, multiple Marines, both in the air, radar hits, on the ground, seeing these things. Very similar to the Langley incident or multiple incidents, but this is over our Marine Corps base.

your part. It's so funny because I actually I had thought of asking you as we were talking. I always have a lot of questions pop into my head as we talk and I forget 80% of them because I don't write anything down and that's my own fault. It's just bad practice. But one question that I wanted to ask you was are we seeing this internationally as far as from where you sit? And so I guess the answer is yes. Like this, I know, you know, UFO sightings and NHI, you know, reports are not just an American thing. Obviously. We hear reports from across the entire. world. But when it comes to what you're seeing on your ends, do you see things internationally? And I suppose the answer is yes. It's very similar. Absolutely. And not just over U.S.

bases. We have tracked these things around the Korean Peninsula and dating back years and years and years. And yeah, it would be it would be American hubris to think, oh, they're just interested in us because we're the most advanced and we're the coolest out there. But that, you know, that's like saying this ant pile over here's the coolest group of ants. You know, I'm only going to focus on them. It's our, you know, a lot of, you know, superiority complex, I guess. But no, these are absolutely international. We're seeing them all over.

Again, where we're seeing them the most is where we have the best sensors. You know, that's a lot of the, you know, reason why. I think we're getting, you know, a lot of hits around our military bases. Yeah. I think it's not just occurring there. I just think we have credible sensors. Even if you think of the human sensor, because that is a form of sensor. We have credible human sensors around these areas.

It's a really good point. I'm glad you brought that up, actually, Anthony, because, you know, that's one thing we've been talking a lot about today. A lot of people talk about it where we say, you know, why are these things always seen over our military installations, whether it be nuclear or otherwise. And that's a really good point. It's not that they're only going there because that points to somebody saying, well, it's got to be adversarial because they're only interested in our military installations. But no, like you said, it's just that that's where we have the best technology to detect these things. It's where we have

the best sensors. They're still being seen in other spots. And I can say that from personal experience from messages that I get, messages I get from across the world, not across the United States, across the world who tell me I've seen orbs here, I've seen triangles there. And these aren't, you know, people who work at military bases. These are just everyday people who message me and telling me what they're seen. So this isn't exclusive to, you know, just bases and weapons facilities. I think that's a really important point to make. Yeah. Man, but it is seen is, you know, it's one of the places where they're seen.

So the question has to be, well, why are they going there as well? So for just to touch on that, before we move on to something else here, because I did want to get with you with you about Louelizondo's book, Las Vegas, Miami, MH370. There's a lot still that I wanted to cover with you here. And we've ready to talk you over an hour. But just to kind of, you know, maybe seal this one up, put this one to bed. why can't it be adversarial tech or U.S. tech? I mean, you made the point that we're 50 years behind as far as the public sector goes on the tech that U.S. military has.

I mean, the stealth bomber, correct me if I'm wrong, the stealth bomber was developed in the 60s or the 50s, and we didn't see it until Desert Storm in the early 90s. So, I mean, the F-17 fighter. Yep, and then the stealth bomber, correct. Yeah, those were developed and operational decades before the U.S. general population ever saw them. Yep, that's correct. The reason why these things can't be ours is because they're doing things in places that we would never do that. If we are taking a classified, very secret thing, then why would we park in an area where we know it's going to get hit by radar,

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section of stealth capability. It's about that of an F-18. The engines that they were supposed to put on it, they couldn't figure out how to do. So they've got lower quality engines that don't have the thrust. It's not that impressive. So it's a rip-off of the F-22

and the SU-57 from Russia. Do we give China and Russia too much credit? Anthony, and I don't mean that like a disparaging way. I'm just saying do we give them too much credit as how far they've come in their technology when we were talking about could this be adversarial tech? Yes, that's exactly where I'm going with this. We do give them too much credit.

And yes, they're working on things. And in some areas, you know, they have brilliant people over there working on things, too. You know, whether it's space or cyber or any of these other capabilities. But we give them a lot of credit. And if we're going to have this discussion of something that we can't explain anything about how it's moving, why it's stationary, how it goes hypersonic, instantaneous. If we can't even fathom that from a, from a physics standpoint, then we're assuming it, we're assuming our adversaries have cracked the code. They would own the world.

They would own everything. A lot of people say, you know, the U.S. is imperialistic. No, we're capitalistic. But there are other countries that are imperialistic that would like to own everything and call the shots on everything. and have it their way and not a free market. If our adversaries had this, we'd be seeing it. They are pitched in conflict, whether it's competition or actual conflict, that that level of advancement, we would be seen.

We would be seen actions taken. It's a really good perspective. And I think you made two great points there that a lot of people don't make in the media, even like, you know, again, I brought up the name because we're going to talk about him with Lou Elizondo with his new book out. That's something that I haven't even really heard him articulate, which is two reasons. Number one, if it was them, they'd want to show it off and they would use it to take over the world essentially, like without hesitation.

And two, if it was the U.S., then they wouldn't be testing it out or showing it in the places that they are. And I think that's probably the most important point because I think that's the thing that people go back to the most. And even myself. I mean, that's something I always question, which is, well, this has got to be us. It's got to be our tech. You know, we did this with the stuff bomber. The SR 71 Blackbird was a UFO, you know, 60 years ago. People didn't know what was all the way up there into the stratosphere. So it's got to be our stuff. And maybe some of it is to a certain extent when it comes to a technology that is achievable and where it's being tested, where people are seeing it. But it's got to be where it makes sense. So I think that's a really good point to make that a lot of people don't consider.

No, that's right. If it's our stuff, we wouldn't behave this way with that capability. If it's an adversary's, they'd be leveraging it, whether it's overt or covertly, having a conversation saying, hey, these are ours. We can push a button at a minute and wipe out a lot. all your stuff. That would be leveraged. You would see the results of that threat in bad political decision making, you know, bad, you would see one of these adversaries rise to power in a way that does not make logical sense, whether it's overtly using the tech or the threat

of using the tech. We have not had to drop a nuclear bomb on Russia. Russia's not had to drop one on us, because before it was public knowledge, they knew we disclosed what we had and what we could do. The threat of mutually assured destruction has prevented that war from ever taking place so far. Right. And so, you know, if this capability existed and an adversary had it, they'd be leveraging it. It doesn't mean they'd be using it, but they'd be leveraging it. They're not. Yeah, I think it's a really strong point.

And to that point, actually, Anthony, to go along, with some of the other things that I had written down here to talk to you about. We talk about these, you know, leveraging technologies. There's someone who I know you know, and I know very well because I've had him on the show here multiple times. I think he's a really good guy and I enjoy the work that he does. I think it's very admirable the work that he does and the research that he points in of his own time and that is Ashton Forbes. And Ashton has spent a year now kind of digging into. and uncovering a lot of the questions surrounding the disappearance of the Malaysian Airlines Flight 370

from back in March of 2014. And he's come to the conclusion that this was secret U.S. tech, kind of what we're talking about. These three orbs go, they circle the plane that's been seen in the video that he's put out, that was on YouTube and, you know, ended up through social media and he put it out. it got noticed, and he's looked into it ever since. Of these three orbs circling, the plane disappears, it looks like it opens up some type of portal. He's also called it warp drive.

And his assertion is that this is technology that's been worked on by guys like Thomas Bearden and other scientists and physicists over the decades, that the papers are out there through DOD, that you can see it all on their websites with the Air Force. And he says through his research that we do have this tech, that we do have the tech, to achieve warp drive and essentially teleport an airplane to another location. So my question to you, Anthony Williams, is, is Ashton Forbes onto something there, from your knowledge,

for as much as you can talk about? Do we have some type of tech like that that we were leveraging in that moment to show our adversaries, hey, look what we have. Don't mess with us. So first of all, let me just say, I find Ashton very credible. So listening to him, I find him very credible. And you don't have to be a scientist or in government to have a very good analytical mind. And so I believe the work and the research that he's doing is righteous. and yes, there are a lot of things that we have worked on and studied and tried to make reality for a long time. There are also things that private industry funded by our government works on at the behest of our government that doesn't need to be disclosed.

So am I saying that he is completely right with his hypothesis? No. am I saying that he's completely wrong? I'm saying, I don't know. But what I will say is if this is our tech, if that is something we did, whether it's the U.S. government or whether it's a government contract,

you know, the military industrial complex that has developed this, that has mastered this, if that's something we have, if that's something that someone has, they're really not using it in any way that is clearly beneficial that is obviously beneficial to anyone what i mean is let's say it's it's the u.s government that boom makes the malaysian flight disappear okay why well it's a test okay on on a civilian aircraft and uh you know multiple whole different countries' worth of citizens, that doesn't make sense.

We can test that a million different ways with other military aircraft, with military personnel that are paid to be in these test directors that sign up to test things like that. So I don't necessarily buy the fact that this is U.S. capability and that this is a test. I'm not saying that we've not been working on these things and that maybe we haven't cracked something. But again, if we have that level of technology, we're certainly not using it in any way that makes logical sense. Which goes back to one of two things. Either it's not ours or it is ours and we don't fully understand or appreciate what's really going on. Interesting.

Right. And that's the part that we keep coming back to, right? and why we ask the questions to begin with. Just on the video side too, of course, again, I explain the video. We all know the video, so I don't even really know why I bother explaining it. Everybody's seeing it, but just in case you hadn't, the validity of the video itself, do we believe in that? I've always found it to be very credible.

I know it looks unbelievable, but it looks real to me. I mean, what has been your take on that video? So I've literally, I'm not exaggerating when I say, I've probably viewed thousands of government videos attained from countless different types of systems, whether it's video or IR or satellite or, you know, aircraft, whatever. I'm not the guy that has the technical background to debunk that video and say, this is why. fake but I will say having reviewed thousands of videos from sensitive equipment systems it looks like a video that I would expect to see from some of our systems and I'll leave it at that without getting into too much more detail I sense a a wall of classification there that's that I can't approach is that pretty much it got to be careful I have reached the wall of classification

and I need to step back. I got you. I'll just say that it, you know, it appears to be something that I would expect to see from a certain type of collection device. Okay. The video looks authentic. I will just tell you that it looks like something I would expect to see. That's great. I appreciate the answer. How about some other ones that people question? And these are subjects that I've covered here on the show that I know you've heard when I talk about the Las Vegas case with the Kenmore family. I've had Scott Roder on here before talking about, you know, he's showing evidence.

I put those pictures and videos out on social media with YouTube and Twitter and everything like that. And he's showing evidence of, you know, cloaking aliens in the Kenmore backyard. Did you hear anything about the Las Vegas case when that was going down? And have you heard anything about it since? Because we're talking May of last year. That was May of 2023 that went down. So I'm going to wrap up two of these into one because you mentioned it earlier, which is the Miami Mall. Yes.

And the Vegas incident. So like you, I watch it in real time as a spectator, right? Like, you know, social media is hitting painting. We've got, I've got different apps that scrape social media and give me the latest and greatest, you know, unfiltered, you know, information that's happening around the globe. So I watched it like you and like everybody else, you know, in real time as a spectator. In both those incidents, what I think is the most alarming. is the absence of transparency with the law enforcement body cameras. And both those incidents.

So, I mean, that's an easy one. Like, where is it? What happened? What's going on in that backyard? What's going on in that mall? You know, you and I have talked about the mall, I think, before. I don't remember if we did it on the podcast, but that level of a response and the excuse given, those don't match.

that A does not equal B. Kids lighten off fireworks does not equal a whole of government response and hundreds and hundreds of people responding from multiple agencies, state and federal over fireworks. You know, and people don't flee

in terror from fireworks. They may run a couple hundred, you know, yards, a couple hundred meters. But they fled. People ran miles. away from that. They ran until they couldn't run. That's not from fireworks.

You know, you get out of the way of a firework. You don't flee for your life from fireworks. So again, where's the body cam footage? That's really what I want to see. I think, again, the people that are dissecting.

So our community did not weigh in on the Miami Mall too heavily. there has been some criticism given to the Vegas video. And that is, you know, it's the flat earth example. Like, you know, the earth is flat, prove me wrong. You know, that's not you validating your point.

That's you lazily asking other people to prove you wrong, which is not how science is done. So, but what I've gotten from, you know the people that are really digging into that video is that they are going to lengths to have it looked at by other experts not just leaning on their own expertise which I think is is very credible but again I think I think what would help this case both those cases are where is the body cam footage yeah police have had body cams across every agency really starting back at the Rodney King incident. But since George Floyd, there's not a police department in the country that doesn't have body cams on.

And even before that incident, most, my brother, for instance, I was talking to you about in Iowa. When he was a police officer, this is almost two decades ago, they had body cameras then. That was a common practice in law enforcement then. So where is that?

You know, what, what, you have the body camp footage before they go behind the fence in Las Vegas. Then all of a sudden, when they're in the backyard, crickets, you know, and the answer was given, well, it's a private residence. Well, so is the third yard. The whole property is private. You mean part that's going to tell the truth about what happened is the part you left out? That seems convenient. And again, I find both those individuals, you know, that are commenting on these stories, incredible. I personally find them credible.

Watching as a spectator, knowing what I know, my logical brain says, where's the footage? Because what we're being told and what we've seen, that doesn't add up. That doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, it's a good point. There hasn't been a good explanation to explain these things away. I mean, they tried to explain away Miami, like you mentioned, but it didn't make any sense. And Vegas, they just kind of ignored. I mean, but we're definitely not.

not ignoring it. That's why, you know, we continue to talk about it here on, on the show. And I think another interesting point with Miami, too, in this, this video, I haven't brought it up a lot because I've never really known if it was real or not, but from everything I've seen, it was a real video of the man, the cop, Miami police officer who was running for sheriff in that area. Talking to a son. Talking to his son. And, yes, apparently that was a real video. It was supposed to be a Frank call where the son was going to be like, hey, dad, you know, we can't tell you about the aliens in Miami. And the dad got very serious and said, I can't talk to you about that.

And it was verified, his identity is verified that, you know, he was a police officer and he was running for sheriff. So unless they decided to play a joke together, but that wouldn't make much sense and in the position that he's in. No. No, and not only that, but the, you know, you're a parent.

I'm a parent. Think about how you talk to your children. That response was more of a protective, and I can't talk to you about this. Yeah. That was a protective response. Yeah.

That was the impression I got from it too. Like, hey, just, you know, do yourself a favor. Don't ask me about this. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, if it was a joke, you'd have been like, yeah, they were aliens. You should have seen them. They're all over, you know. And they would have laughed about it and joked

about it. But the response his father gave was a protected parent. That's what a protected parent says. That's a good point. Man, we've covered a lot of ground here today, man. I really appreciate all the time. Do you still have a few minutes? Yeah, you had one you want to remind me a family member.

Yes, yes. I want to ask you about that because it kind of pertains to some of the orb stories that we were talking about. But I want to ask you first about Lou Elizondo. And I know. Okay, yeah. I know you guys don't know each other. You're not like personal friends or anything. But, you know, you kind of come from.

from the same world as far as military and intelligence. And with his new book out, imminent, which came out this week, what is being said about, as far as that you can tell in your community, about what he's saying in that book and he chatter about what, you know, the claims he's making and also more whistleblowers. I know you've come across different guys in your community who have talked about it, but they haven't really decided to, you know, go full force like a Jason Sands. decided to do. How many other whistleblowers or would be whistleblowers like Jason Sands or Lou

Elizondo are out there that are still on the fence about talking about their experiences? Yeah. So let's talk about Lou first. And you're right. I don't know him, but regardless of what branch of service you come from when you enter the intelligence community, it's one big broad, you know, you know, community. So, you know, I would just say from that perspective, our community is very i'm i can't wait to read the book like i'm really excited about it lou lou elizondo is one of those people that has way more knowledge than he is able to say looking at where he was what he did and what he was involved in um he is one of a handful of people that have come out publicly that has way more in his head than he has been legally able to say which is really

really, really unfortunate. He has had to allude to a lot of things as best he can, but I personally can't wait to read the book. I'm really excited about that. But just knowing where his access and placement is, the things he had access to, he knows a lot more than what he's able to say. And I don't, there have been accusations levied against him that, hey, he's a sci-op and, you know, he's you know he's out here to confuse the the topic in the conversation i don't believe that i don't

believe it for a minute um he is a guy just like jason that got fed up with the system and decided to go out on a limb and and and and say something and there are several other people you know and and just like when the audience was really impatient about jason sands coming forward but you and I talked and we knew he was. You know, this is tied to their livelihoods. This is tied to, you know, even if you're retired from government service, you're still being paid by them. They can still stop that.

They can still punish you for the things you did while in service. So, you know, in a non-disclosure agreement, some of these don't have an end date. There are things you're never going to be able to talk about. And those, even down at my level, there are things. that, you know, secrets and programs and things that we just, you know, we're just never going to be able to talk about. And that's okay. That is for our national security. But this topic, you know, these people that have this access and they know the things that they know,

they feel that you and the general humanity should know these things. And I think he knows a lot more than what he can say. And I'm really hoping he's gotten to a point where he can get to that in the book. I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah, it's really interesting. I mean, because I'm with you as far as, you know, Lou himself is concerned. He's always seemed legit to me. He's always seemed sincere to me, I think is the better word.

And, you know, it's kind of sad when people try to disparage him, I think. I mean, just my opinion where people try to say he is a sciop or he is a grifter. I mean, these are all the names that I've been called a grifter before on social media. You know what I mean? So it's, it's, um, trust me, if you sell my bills, you would know I'm not a grifter. Just, I'm sure there are people in your audience that think I'm a sci up. Right. I think I come on here and you have me on here.

The government is telling me what to say. For sure. Information to leak. And I'll, I'll just tell you that, uh, that those are the people that you can never, those are the people that would have the truth in front of them and still not believe it. Yeah. That's very true. I just don't put too much time on, on any of that.

I got to learn to do some of that a little bit more. What about anybody else that you're seeing, Anthony, as far as, you know, whistleblowers, like, you know, saying before, who are on the fence, who are considering something like this? Do you feel like there's going to be more? Because that's a question that, or really something that, you know, others have said, like Jeremy Corbell has said that, you know, there's more guys coming out. Do you feel like that is something that's going to happen in the near future? or is it still kind of in that undecided area? Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooke Linnon, and Kylie.

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I'm glad you brought this up. Yes, I was going to ask you. That had a disclosure date along a graduated timeline of an event in October. Just like Jason Sands going public. I'm going to be really disappointed if October comes and goes and nothing happens. But supposedly we will all be in a post-disclosure environment after October. I don't know what that means. And I wish I did.

I wish I had more on that. I do believe that when you hear people like Jeremy Corbell and you hear people like Lou Elizondo and, you know, you hear these people say, I personally know about other whistleblowers that want to come forward. I will say the same thing. I know of people that want to come forward. Where they're at in that process, I can't say. And I don't have a good pulse on all of government and how many there are.

But I do know that there are more. And I don't know if October is a formal government thing or if it is, I don't know. I just, I know that I personally would be very disappointed if October comes. and goes, and we're having the same type of conversations, because the document that I saw was very real, and it was very much, as a matter of fact, like, when we plan out an exercise or a mission, we have, you know, two years out, we're doing this thing, and here's everything we've done so far, and then along the graduated timeline, here's where I today, here's the next thing in two weeks, then this and that. It was a timeline like that, and it showed all the things that had

happened and then it showed some other things that are going to happen but the entire color of the timeline changes and after October it says post disclosure so wow I'm you know I'm I don't know if that's tied to whistleblowers that are coming forward I don't know what led to that but I do know that I professionally and personally will be so disappointed if in November you and I are on here and said, well, no. Nothing happened. The world didn't end. You know, you know, 2000, the ball drops.

You know, we're still here. Right. That's just me personally. So, but that is, you know, I wasn't wrong on the Jason Sands piece. I, from the same level of sourcing, I don't think I'm wrong on this, but unfortunately, I don't know what that looks like. And just like with Jason coming forward, if he would have done. disappeared longer than he did if the documentary would have come out and we couldn't have gotten

a hold of them. I was willing to go hard on the paint for his own safety and his own protection because of some of the things he shared with us. And I don't take that lightly when someone like him shares threats that he's gotten and then disappears. There is no one else than our community that can come to bat for him and do something because he's community. with us in a way that is classified and it's not open to the public. So, you know, I would say along that same vein, I think we're in for something come October by the latest, but I will be really disappointed if we're talking in November and nothing happens.

If it's Halloween and you call me or I call you, we're like, well, April fools, you know, like I just don't know what to tell you. Maybe I should go back and see that was dated. Maybe it was April 1st. I'm kidding. But, no, I really hope that is a reality. I think humanity can handle the truth. I do.

Well, it's a strong statement to make for sure, Anthony, and I think we will come back one way or another. We're going to come back together late in the fall, whether it be late October or early November. And it does seem to be very interesting and how that timeline coincides with probably the most talked-about election in world history. And I don't think I'm using hyperbole there. when it comes to our presidential election in 24.

I mean, this is something that's being talked about as a main topic in Europe and in Asia. So it's not just an American thing because whoever becomes an American president has a domino effect on the rest of the world. And that's not American hubris. That's just a political and kind of world stage fact. So when you have that kind of mixed in with this,

do you think that's a possible tie-in on why October would be a, a disclosure, some type of disclosure date from the documents that you're seeing, or am I looking too much into it? No, I think there are no coincidences around this topic, and I think you're exactly right. And I mean, for your audience that's under the age of 30, I don't know that I can stress any harder what kind of strange times were in. We have a candidate, you know, someone attempted to kill him.

We have another candidate who was not put on the ballot by an electoral process. We're in very strange times. And you're right. The entire security of the world hinges on, and I believe this person, this is my own personal belief, hinges on the strength of America. So they are watching. They're watching what we do. And there are millions of people all around the world that wish that they can do one thing

that you and I can do, and that's vote. And so I don't think that it's a coincidence, that that timeline matches with this significant election. I will say that that document I saw, though, existed way before any of this turmoil in the political process that we're seeing this year. Interesting. The document is far older than the Trump assassination attempt.

The, you know, the Biden-Harris switch up, all these things that we're seeing in our own political climate. That document predates all of it. So before things got crazy politically for us here, I would probably have to go back to 1773 before things got crazy politically here. But before things recently got crazy politically here, this document predates all that and is not is not overlaid on any other calendar other than this timeline. So I don't know if it has anything to do with it. I think it would be a really shocking coincidence if it just happened to be the month right before an election, literally days before an election. Is the document from 2024?

The document is over a year old. Okay. And can you tell us at all? And look, I've overstepped like four or five times in this interview, so I might as well just do it again. Can you tell us at all? I guess what department it's from or I will say that Colonel Carl Nell

who you've heard that name before associated with the guy that staked his reputation to Dave Grush he's very familiar with that document I'll just leave it at that okay so you guys can call him it was all about that document I feel like I've reached that electrical fence again

that's marked classified So, Don't touch you. That's right. Well, Anthony, this has been just an incredible discussion and conversation. And I know I've kept you far too long and I appreciate all your time. And I really want to get one more thing in here today, if you don't mind. Is that okay?

Yeah. I saved it for the end because I felt like I could tie it back to everything else that we talked about here today. When it comes to some of the craft, the orbs, the things that we're seen over the United States and elsewhere, and that is actually something, and I mentioned earlier, when you use the term unfortunate witness. And I said, actually, I have someone in my family who can be deemed that, and it's my very own sister. And this is a story that I told you actually off the air that I'll put in here for context, where she was on a cruise in Alaska, and she was out of the cabin there on the deck of the boat. And it's not a very big boat. you know, if you've been an Alaskan cruise, you're familiar with the size of some of these boats.

And it was around 1 or 2 a.m. And she's just out there, you know, enjoying the view, so to speak, as they're in the middle of nowhere in the ocean. And here come about three or four orbs in two to three foot diameter, which we talked about before. Very similar size to the orbs that we mentioned on June 7th near Virginia, off the coast of Virginia. and she described it as if you know familiar with the Harry Potter series, which you know a lot of people are, including myself, because I'm just an absolute nerd, and I love that stuff,

where Harry Potter is playing quidditch, and it's like that small golden ball, that orb, and it has like the little wings on it to go very fast. She said it kind of look like a quidditch ball, where it had almost a winged effect to it. And she told me that she's like, it was unbelievable, and they were about 10 feet away from her near the boat, and she's like, it was so frustrating.

because I couldn't get a picture, a clear picture or a video of it. Even though they were close to me, I was getting like this distortion from these bright orbs. And she said it was the most frustrating thing ever, but also scary because it felt like they were coming for her, even though they ended up just going away at some point. But they were there for a few minutes. So what is that, is something like that related to what we're talking about? And what is this wing effect?

because I had never heard of a wing effect on these orbs until she told me what she saw with her own two eyes. Yeah. So to speculate, first of all, I'm excited whenever someone that, you know, that is credible to me or to someone I know has a sighting like this because it's another person that you can put in your pocket and say, okay, I can't trust everyone that says everything, but I know that person's not lying. So I'm happy for you. I'm happy for her that she had this experience. So that's right off the bat. And she was there, by the way, with her boyfriend who has a military background, and he couldn't place it either. Yeah, about these two to three foot diameter orbs,

they have the ability to manipulate gravity. Otherwise, something couldn't hover, stay stationary at 17,000 feet, and prevailing winds indefinitely for however long they want, and then just disappear whenever they want. So to manipulate gravity, if you look at gravity and if you look at some of the theories of how these craft operate, there are different phenomenon, whether it's magnetic or electrical, that distort the visible wave and what you can view, that almost show like a mushrooming effect. And there are other reports of these things when looked at or filmed in a certain way,

where maybe those gravity fields come together and distort the vision, distort what you can perceive, and it creates an effect to where it looks like some of the light is coming off like wings, and would almost look fluttering in nature. Yeah, exactly. When actually it's just a distortion of the light that you're seeing. That's really interesting. It makes sense to me that that's what she saw. And the way you described it is exactly how she described it to me.

So, you know, that, that could be the case. What about the pilots who are seeing this stuff, too? I mean, it's not just my sister and it's not just, you know, guys on a military bases. I mean, there's a lot of pilots. I've got a personal friend of mine, a former military aviator that now flies for a commercial aviation company. And, you know, you and I have talked about this. He has seen orbs in groups of three flying near their aircraft when he's on trans-Pacific flights. And the aviation community writ large is now has ways of reporting.

They are no longer, you know, categorized, benched, sat down, you know, for seeing these things and reporting these things like they were in the past. So, you know, you have military aircraft up and you have way more civilian aircraft up from all over. And the pilots that are seeing these things, they have, for flight safety, but also they have concern for the unknown. What is that? Let me know what that is. You know, it's a defense mechanism that we want to be able to identify something. Is it, is it dangerous or not dangerous? Whether that's something we're going to pick up with our hand, whether that's something we're going to eat,

or whether it's something that's operating around us. Is this a threat to me or not? Do I need to be alert the whole, the whole flight or fight instinct that we have naturally? And so, these pilots are not immune to that. Plus, they're up in an aircraft where if they don't land it safely, they're already dead. There's enough. They're up in the air, thousands of feet. And so

things that wouldn't be a risk to them on the ground, i.e. a goose going through an engine, is a threat. So when there's something in the sky that's unknown, that is an issue for these pilots. And the fact that they're able to now start talking about these things, discussing these things, and

reporting on these things. I think think is very important that we're not we're not ridiculing them we're not you know just blowing them off yeah no it's it's a great point because i've had pilots reach out to me too just in messaging saying hey we see these things all the time just like you're saying you know with friends that you know who are commercial pilots and yeah it's not mutually exclusive to the bowing pilot who put a video out on on on youtube i mean this is something that's actually been going on for a long time even back in you know the 1980s with the japanese airline or flying over alaska where they described seeing a giant mothership.

Like these, the foo fighters in World War II that were described as orbs. I mean, this is something that goes back decades. And like you said, it's being talked about more. Yeah. The last thing I think to tie it all together, right, like even talking about, you know, the Vegas video or the Miami incident and all these things, you know, some people make things up. But there's usually some sort of benefit to it, you know, whether it's fame or, you know, financial benefit, you know, most these people, I would venture to say all of them, I don't see any

benefit that any of them have gotten from coming forward with any of their stories at all. You know, it just isn't the case. Going all the way back to Bob Lazar, I just, I don't see what the, you know, and most of these whistleblowers, it has had an adverse effect. Right. You know, even, you know, our friend Jason. there's adverse effects to coming out and telling your story. So, yeah. Absolutely. Well said. And really for this entire time, well said, Anthony, man.

It's just it never ceases to amaze me how much great perspective and input you're able to give us when it comes to these sightings, when it comes to these reports that literally no one else is hearing about that are being reported at all. So, I mean, I can't thank you enough for spending all this time here on UIP today, man. I really always appreciate it. Yeah, I'm always happy to do it. I, you know, you and I have great conversations, not on podcasts. And I always, I always love when we're able to get together because it's always just, like I said, before, you are one of those people as a good platform, a good analytical mind. And, you know, you're in the same boat where a lot of people are.

Don't know what to make of it. Let's throw the facts out there and see what people think. And I appreciate what you're doing. And I'm always happy to be here. Yeah, man, that's awesome. Thanks so much. Anything else you want to add before we go? Anything else in your mind that we didn't touch on in the past two hours?

Do not crucify Anthony Williams or Stephen Dean or if on November 1st, there hasn't been disclosure. I don't want any angry people out there. I'm telling you, I'm just throwing out there what I know. It doesn't mean anything's going to happen, but... I understand that for sure. We'll find out together, won't we? And we'll be here to talk about it. One way or another, we'll be here to talk about it.

So Anthony Williams, military intelligence analyst, specialist, extraordinaire. Really, really appreciate it, man. Thanks so much for doing this today. You're welcome, brother. I'll talk to you soon. Yes. So will we see that October disclosure surprise? Going to stay up to date on that one.

It's not the first time you've heard that, I know. But, you know, Anthony Williams gives a compelling case there for why there really might be something to that. But we'll see, like you said, you know, we can only go with what happens. but definitely a very interesting scenario to consider with the way he put all that out there. Wild, wild times. But I really enjoyed that. I know we spoke for a long time that day. So I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did because we spoke for two hours straight.

No breaks. And obviously he's a very busy guy. So I really appreciate him taking all that time out of his day to give us this information. I mean, the things that he was able to or willing to. even to talk about and reveal during the entire conversation that was broken up, you know, into two parts where we talk about all of these different reported documented sightings that don't get discussed over top secret areas of, you know,

U.S. military, whether it's in Utah, whether it's in Langley, Virginia, whether it's in Colorado, or whether it's a Marine base in Japan. I mean, you have all these different spots. I mean, it's just unbelievable when you start to think about all of these documented sightings. And this is really what when I said at the beginning, you know, with kind of the preface to the rest of this interview, when I said there's a lot that popped into my head over the past couple of days since he and I spoke. And the main thing that really popped into my head was this is like the USS Nimitz with the Tick-Tac. I mean, that's the level that he's talking about here.

The reason that the TikTok gets all the attention as like this landmark case is because there was video that came out to go along with audio and David Fravor has come out, you know, as a major witness to all of that, you know, to all of that because he was obviously highly involved during that day, you know, making the contact and everything like that, making visual contact, seeing it while he was up in the fighter jet. So that is a landmark case because of the video and the audio aspect. and the people who are willing to come out and discuss it. Now, it took close to 20 years for that to happen, but it finally happened. So it shouldn't be glossed over the things that Anthony is talking about here, whether it's mass sightings over Langley or a Japanese, you know, a marine base in Japan, or Colorado Springs or Utah, you know, test range. These things, these are USS Nimitz incidents every single day that these things are being seen.

They're being reported and filmed by U.S. military personnel and being brought up the chain of command, and then it's filed away and tucked away and it's not talked about. It is the USS Nimitz. It is the Tic Tac, but it's even more extreme than that. And it's happening all the time. And Anthony is coming on here and telling us about that. And the fact that those things are being glossed over and the fact that those things aren't being noticed more is really wild to me. And that's really kind of what has stuck with me the past couple of days since he and I spoke. I hope that through this interview and through this discussion, that that message starts,

that reality, forget message, that reality starts to get out more because it's happening. And no one's talking about it. And that's why I really appreciate Anthony coming on here and making sure everyone knows that these things are happening. Spread the word. Help to spread the word. Say, hey, you got to hear this. Like, you have to hear what's happening because it's really not being talked about anywhere else. But there's so many takeaways I have from that conversation. But that's the main one that's kind of stuck with me. But I'd love to hear your takeaways.

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