UAP Unidentified Alien Podcast - UAP Weekly 8-8-24 Warp Drive, Zero Point Energy, and more with Ashton Forbes

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

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If you want to catch as many games as possible, get a monthly subscription with our ABC, NBC, and ESPN combo package. Either way, Sling lets you watch the playoffs your way with no long-term contracts. more at sling.com. Welcome back into another edition of UAP weekly. Stephen Dean are back with you here on the Unidentified Alien podcast and happy to be back. I know it's the second one this week, but it's worth it as I try to get more out there. You know, trying to do a little bit of quality and quantity these days. You know, I don't want to lose the quality just for the quantities.

So if I can get a mix of both, that is the plan. And I believe we had that this week. Of course, my interview with John Stewart from the Alien interview, came out just a couple of days ago. If you haven't heard that, really, really good stuff, really fascinating. A lot of good reviews from that. So I appreciate all of you who reached out to me on it.

It was, I mean, I loved it myself. So if you haven't heard that, you can still catch up on that from a couple of days ago. But also, to go hand in hand with that interview, is this new edition, a new interview with the one and only, as I introduce him here on the show coming up, is Ashton Forbes. and Ashton by far, I believe it's him and Nick Pope who have been on the show the most.

Him, Nick Pope, and maybe Anthony Williams, I think those have been the big three here on UAP who have been on the show the most. But I believe Ashton has taken the lead now. Maybe this was number six or seven. I've lost count, which we both have lost count. But the fact of the matter is, it's great to have him back on here because every time I talk to him, and I hope this is the same for you when you listen, I learn something new. because it's just, it's revolutionary, really, the things that he discusses when it comes to, you know, quantum level physics and wormholes and black holes and all this different technology about, you know, the Casimir effect and all these different things about, you know, scalar physics and all this stuff. There's just, there's so much that he has kind of dove into over the past year since the reemergence of the MH370 videos that, it's, you know, again, just last year, started to put out on Twitter, and now a year later,

here we are. So we kind of, we start off there at that timeline, not to give away spoilers and say the same thing that you're about to hear, but we start there as we begin our discussion, and it really flows into the bigger picture of all these different levels of technology that are no, in my opinion, and as you listen, maybe you'll gain the same opinion, these levels of technology that are no longer conspiracy theory. These are things that are rooted in scientific studies. And so you're going to hear all that here today. And hopefully, you might need to listen to it twice. I'm not even going to lie to you. And it was interesting for me as we were talking because it really did hit differently for me this time. Again, six or seventh time that Ashton and I have

had a discussion here on UAP. But for whatever reason, it just resonated all these things that he's spoken about before on different interviews, on his Twitter streams, or on my show, it really resonated with me on a different level this time. I just got it more. I don't know why. Maybe it just took a while for it to set it into my P-sized brain, but nevertheless, it's a really, really great discussion that I hope you enjoy that I know I really enjoy it. Always appreciate Ashton coming on. So enough with the preface statement. I'll let you get into it here now with this new interview with myself and Ashton Forbes right here on UAP. Enjoy. All right.

It's that time again. He's kind enough to join the show. Ashton Forbes. I've lost count how many times we've had you on the show here, but I'm happy to have you back on again. Thanks so much for coming back on to UAP. Yeah. Thanks, Stephen, for having me on again. I've also lost track, but it's been great conversations every single time.

So that's why I keep coming back. Yeah, no, exactly. And I appreciate it because I know, you know, you actually haven't done a lot of interviews lately. You've kind of been doing your own thing with streams and kind of keep into yourself with that. So I appreciate you coming back on here. And, you know, it's an honor to have you back on. Thanks.

Yeah. So I want to ask you this first because, man, when you talk about how many times we've spoken here on the show, it's funny to kind of go back. I re-released, I want to say maybe about two months ago, I re-released our first episode that we did back in October of 23 as like a great. greatest hits edition of UAP. And it was funny to kind of go back and listen to that and compare it to where we are now when it comes to where you started last year, because it's really pretty much last August, right? Where you picked all this up with MH370 and how it's evolved to where the conversation has become with free energy. So as we get into that, I first want to ask, where are you now with MH370? Where does all that stand?

Yeah, great question. You know, I don't even like recognize myself when I look back anymore, which is pretty wild. You know, just to see the massive amount of growth that I've personally undergone with respect to everything I've been researching and looking into learning about, et cetera. That makes sure you seven zero case. I'd say that for the most part, we've been waiting for the government to issue some kind of statement. You know, one of the things that I've said for a very long time is that no matter where you stand in terms of thinking of videos are real or fake, everybody should want the government to issue a statement. There's a plane that disappeared 10 years ago. The story that like we just weren't tracking, it makes no sense of all given the surveillance capabilities. And if those videos are real, even if it's a 0.1% chance, they'll change everything about our entire civilization. So it's always been suspicious to me that there's a certain sect of people that don't

want the government to issue it say anything. And this kind of brings me to Brian Keating, Professor Brian Keating. Professor Brian Keating is interviewing Sean Kirkpatrick, or he already did. I don't think he's released it yet. But I replied saying, can you get him to make a comment on where the MH-3-70 cases? Because I think he stepped down from the AARO. If people don't know, that's the All-Domany Resolution Officer, basically the government agency under the Pentagon that researches UFO sightings and stories and evidence.

I think he stepped down at the end of last year. And that was after I'd already submitted the case. And, you know, if those videos are real, and he is going to have some inside information about it, he should know about the case in general. So I replied saying, can you get an update? Because the last update I got from ARO is back in April. And I think we're on like the four-month anniversary of the last update from them.

It said that they had found, when they looked into MH370, they found something related to U.S. surveillance after the plane was lost from radar. And I mean, that should, that's the biggest update in the MH370. investigation just not just me but just in general probably in the last i don't know five years or more because it indicates the u.s knows something about this plane and then they just stop replying to me so the reason why i brought that up is because uh i've seen some of the people's comments on there that say like oh this is stupid that they're wasting time with this or whatever which has got to be like one of the most hypocritical things ever because you know respectfully a lot of the stuff that

aero gets is like pictures of balloons and stories that people have of alien encounters. These things are not things that are either highly credible or can be verified. Versus that M.S.70 videos, like, if those are real videos, they can verify that they're real videos. It should just be a simple yes or no that's out there. And like I said, like this is, this is catastrophic disclosure. I mean, if that, those videos are real, then the science behind them will change everything about our planet. And then for the people that do, think that there's aliens visiting us or whatever, and I have nothing against any of those people

in general, but then this gives a capability to do so. If we can bend space time to a degree where we can make a wormhole, then getting from Alpha Centauri or Zeta reticulay or whatever is now way more feasible than if you're taking a rocket propelled ship is going to take generations to get here, you know? Exactly. No, and it's a great point because it really does. It goes back to the old theory from Einstein, right? Where, you know, we always talk about just in the simplest form of taking, you know, a piece of paper and folding it, you know, that's kind of your example of a warmhole. Instead of traveling across the paper, you, you know, poke a pencil through it.

And that's really the simplest explanation. And it would make perfect sense. And actually, I've seen some things on that recently as far as, you know, UFO sightings and how they might be able to use some type of wormhole technology. I feel like they kind of go hand in hand, don't they? When it comes to what we saw with the orbs and talk of UFO technology traveling through wormholes,

creating that, you know, it's out of space and time. Yeah, they do. And this is why I started with the UFO community is that I'm staring at orbs that are showing anti-gravity. And I was one of the people that thought, oh, well, anti-gravity may exist. And I think that's where the general UFO community is right now.

They're not ready for the logical implications of if there is anti-gravity, then you take it to the next level, what does that mean? Because Einstein's, Einstein Rosenbridge, a wormhole, is a mathematical solution to Einstein's equations. A lot of people out there think, like, oh, this is just some sci-fi thing. It's not. Like, Einstein's equations have held up to the test of time. And this is, these people basically look through his equations, how can we kind of cheat the equations while still not define them? And then they came up with this idea of a wormhole.

And so the science related to it is what really got me interested, because then you realize that all this science is out there. And it becomes just a matter of we don't look at the universe the right way. So I started digging around. And what I want to say at this point is like, before we get into a lot of this, is I'm 100% sure those videos are real for several reasons, the evidence around the missing plane that's, out there, just the realism of the videos themselves, the fact that there are two videos from

two different, completely different perspectives, filmed by military assets, the engineering capabilities that we see in terms of like scaling down a plane to have it show the real capabilities of a Boeing triple seven. But the biggest one is the science. The science that's on display there is accurate to theoretical physics and electrical engineering, but not to what the mainstream understands. The papers are all out there. They've just mostly been ignored.

And it's to the point now where I've learned so much from reading through the scientific papers that I think that there may be an avenue where I can prove that what we see there is real because there are real equations for things like wormholes where you can plug in like the radius, et cetera, and you can figure out the energy density is required in order to pull something off like that. And people say, okay, well, what's the science? you know what what is it what what are we been missing uh and i would say that it starts uh well it goes all the way back probably the clues a client in 1926 who added an extra dimension to unified gravity and electro-magnetics goes back to more huh almost 100 years yeah 100 years and even before that honestly to Tesla because teslo was one of the people that figured out that like we have longitudinal waves that flow through the ether and that's where energy comes from which we get to in a second but yeah the part i want to hit on right now is uh saukharov so

Sokharov was a Russian physicist. He helped develop a hydrogen bomb for the Russians. I think it was in 1949, which was much more powerful than an atomic bomb. And he ended up being on the side of nuclear de-proliferation or whatever to get rid of all the nukes. I've heard, but I can't find corroboration that he also wanted to ban research into zero-point energy. And this is where you're going to find the crossover between free energy and gravity manipulation. So Sokharov came up with this idea that maybe gravity is explained by zero point energy. And then who came along?

In 1989, 1988, a man named Harold Kudoff came along. And he took that theory and he was able to show with the math that it actually checks out. That we can explain gravity as a zero point fluctuation density differential. What I mean by that is you imagine like a balloon. If you were to squeeze one side of the balloon, the other side is going to expand like this. This is essentially what gravity is that we have this, we're on this sheet. Like they would say, you know, like you take a rubber sheet and you put mass on it, you see a bend. But think of the sheet itself is just this energy that's all throughout the universe that's out there in this equilibrium state.

If you put mass on it, you're going to see a bend. And then the question is, well, can we manipulate like an area anyway? any area that's out there, either remove the zero point energy from a location or potentially expand the energy in a zero in a location. And so Harold Poodoff showed this. And it's interesting because he's a guy that's been working on black projects with the CIA for, I don't know, 50 years or more. And then his, he's also worked with people like Eric Davis, who in the UFO community

is popular for the Wilson Davis memo. My opinion, and I've never personally talked to either of those two guys, is that one or both of them have seen like real UFOs. They've probably seen videos like the MH370 videos. Because if you look through the chronology of Harold Pudas papers after he wrote that 1989 piece, you start to see, oh, okay, using zero point energy to extract energy from the vacuum, using zero point energy for advanced propulsion concepts with respect to Eric Davis. these guys both work for the same third party company as well. It's all about teleportation physics studies, stabilizing wormholes, producing wormholes, all of these types of things that are out there. And the interviews that you guys can watch with them, I've been posting them on my Twitter.

Right. You know, it's incredible. Like he talks about all the right concepts, like how do we produce negative energy? How much negative energy do we need? And then the other thing that you'll hear all the time is the Kazimir Force, casimir effect. because the Casimir effect shows that there is this zero point energy. And the physicists that are out there at this point has been experimentally proven.

If you just put two conductive plates very close together, like we're talking very, very close. This is just an analogy here. They will attract together. And that's because they're blocking out certain wavelengths from being able to fit between the plates. And what that means is there's a pressure differential because you have more wavelengths on the outside than you have on the inside. This causes the plates to stick together. So one of the papers I was just reading actually last night talks about this idea where you could have this Casimir shell.

And what does the Casimir shell kind of remind you of then that would block out all the zero point fluctuations in the center of it? In which case you're going to have this void in space time. Well, it sounds a lot like a wormhole. Right. I was about to slur, yeah. And that's the part where, you know, I think that these guys have seen it and they're doing everything they can. to write the papers about it without just straight up saying, like, I've seen a wormhole. This is how it works, essentially.

So it's pretty wild because the last thing I'll say, and I'll let you jump out with some questions, is that I've talked to a lot of people, and I see why now, like, compared to like when we first spoke back in, you know, October of last year, why it's so hard to get any of this information out is that mainstream, I guess the best way I can say is brainwashy. We've been brainwashed to just think that, you know, whatever it gets shared on TV, whatever the Neil deGrasse Tyson's of the world say, like, that's where physics is at. But all these scientific papers are out there. And people think, oh, well, how can it be suppressed if it's all out there? It doesn't make any sense.

But it actually does make sense. The information is out there. We just ignore it. And if we actually looked at these ideas that Sakharov and Pudov have put out there, we would find that they answer the questions of what is dark energy. And then you start to look and go, okay, well, wow, what else is he talking about? Oh, he's talking about we can actually make real wormholes. So it will come out in time. It's just one of those things where it's like the problem is not the information being out there.

The problem is people waking up to the idea that this is real and this is possible. And then when we hit this inflection point where enough people realize like, oh, crap, zero point energy does explain everything, does explain gravity. Then there's just going to be this flip right away. And then everyone's going to pretend like they always knew. And Neil deGrasse Tyson will go on and go, well, can you believe that it turned out it was zero point energy the whole time? And then everybody will just follow along and suit. Right. So that's how the world really works.

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And I actually argue a counterpoint to that, kind of going to what you're saying, Ashton, which is, if anything, I think it's actually ignoring. for the most part of the mainstream. Everything you're talking about, and when it comes to the UFO community, a lot of the stuff like hard evidence, things that are really, really hard to refute, it's just flat out ignored in the mainstream media

until something, you know, quote unquote, sexy happens, and then it comes out, and then it's really talked about, in my opinion, just because it's easy content for lazy mainstream media. So that's, so when something like that happens, and then people end up calling it a distraction story, I say quite the contrary on that. They really ignore 99.9% of the stuff until it's convenient for them.

That's my reason. No, I totally agree. I hate the idea of distraction story, especially because, you know, I've got followers who are in the UFO community that are in the conspiracy communities on both sides of political aisle. And one of the things I hate about the conspiracy community is that everything's out with some distraction from some other greater thing. Right. Terrence Howard, when he was on Joe Rogan with Eric Weinstein, Eric mentions that, like, this really great analogy about not hitting on 19 in Blackjack.

And if people don't know, you almost never hit on 19 because you only have like a couple cards in the deck that can improve your hand. And that's what I see people do a lot, is they're always looking for the extra layer of conspiracy that's out there. And I think that a lot of the stuff that we argue about and talk about politics-wise. social issues, things like that. If there are distractions, those are the real distractions from us focusing on stuff, like how does science work? You know, like the one thing I've noticed about what I've been pushed out there is the stuff that gets the least attention is the scientific papers that I post.

And I've heard a quote that like less than 10 people on the whole planet read like any given random scientific paper that's out there. And it makes sense. It's not, it's not sexy, you know, it's not cool. It's not fun. It's hard to understand. it's hard to rack your brain around. And that's really how the suppression

ends up working. Like if it's not on CNN, if it's not drama-based, then people don't care about it. And I think this is what does the UFO community a big disservice. Because I think that if they just looked at the answers that were out there, they could find them. You know, I know what the narratives

are around Harold Kudoff. They think, oh, he's been debunked or whatever because he worked on remote viewing with the CIA in the 60s, in the 70s or whatever. Like, so what, man? Have you seen what his work is since the 80s? Like, it's all about zero point energy and extracting energy and propulsion concepts and, you know,

manipulation of space time. And, you know, it's wild. And one thing I'll drop here, which is, this is just a rumor for now, but, you know, I've heard he's been nominated for the Nobel Prize multiple times. And the reason why he hasn't got it is because of the stigma related to his past work. But that he theoretically, I think he deserves it for space, time engineering physics and papers that he's put out there. So, yeah, this is the part where, like, if people want to wake up, the way you wake up is look at the science. And look at the science that's out there because if you're somebody who wants disclosure,

if you're somebody who wants to be able to prove that aliens are visiting us or that aliens exist, well, you'll change a lot of people's minds if they learn that, oh, we can make a, a bend in space time that can allow us to get from one side of the galaxy to the other in an instant in the blink of an eye. Most people think that, like, when you go to, like, the Nealdegrass-Tysons, and you'll hear him say this many times, and I don't mean to keep, you know, evoking him, but he's one of the easier ones to pick on. He'll say, like, I don't think aliens exist because there's no way they could get to us. Space is too big, you know, this is the main thing that people say.

They don't have a problem believing that aliens could be out there. The universe is huge. It's basically, practically. infinite and I think it might be infinite. So I mean there's something else out there. It's the distance. So once you solve that problem, everything kind of comes into focus. It's true. And actually on that note, I'd like to read a quote at the risk of sounding too reedy. But I feel like this is, it's important to what we're talking about. It actually comes from a paper that I was doing some light reading on in preparation for talking. I was kind of joking about this earlier to myself when I was

looking at it. It's called extracting and using electromagnetic energy from the active vacuum. Just some light reading from Thomas Bearden. And I just thought this was so poignant at the very beginning of the paper, it reads, the first principles of things will never be adequately known. Science is an open-ended endeavor. It can never be closed. We do science without knowing the first principles. It does, in fact, not start from first principles, nor from the end principles. but from the middle, we not only change theories, but also the concepts and entities themselves and what questions to ask. The foundations of science must be continuously examined and modified. It will always be full of mysteries and surprises. I honestly don't think you can say it any better

than that. And to feel like people are just stuck in the mud with one idea, whether it comes to the UAP community or with, you know, zero point energy. Like, why do you think people get stuck in the mud with one thing and they don't, they feel like they can't expand their minds? I don't, it's frustrating. Yeah. And Tom Bearden, I mean, this guy, if we made a Mount Rushmore of like recent electrical engineers, like he's my number one.

He's, he's right there, the very first face on the Mount Rushmore for me. Uh, guys incredibly intelligent. He did a lot of interviews that were out there. spoke very openly about these concepts. He was Lieutenant Colonel. He spent decades in black projects as well. I was watching a video just last night where we was talking about how the suppression works as well and how the intelligence agencies like use these covert like narratives to discredit people and things like that. It was actually Stephen Greer was one interview with him. I could hear the voice when he asked the question and I was like, oh, wait, is that Stephen Greer?

Sure enough, it was. And he's got a really good, That paper that you just read, if anyone wants to understand free energy, that's probably where you begin. Because that paper is written in a way where anyone can understand it as well. You may have to Google a few concepts if you're not familiar with electrical engineering. But I was looking for the exact quote. I'd have to dig it up on my Twitter. But one of the quotes that he mentions in both the paper and there's a video segment that I clipped basically says that all the oil and the coal that we've ever burned, all the nuclear power we've produced, even all the wind and solar power has never added one watt of energy to the power lines.

And people look at that and go, well, how does that make any sense? And the reason is it's a little bit coy, but not really, is that all that energy is doing is keeping our dipole open. If you imagine a battery, you've got the positive charge on the top and the negative charge on the bottom. The way the battery works is there's an asymmetry there. As long as you keep those charges separated, then the negative charges are flowing through your current or maybe this way.

And then they're trying to get back to the battery. the long way. Like if you're trying to go home and you take the long way home, that's what the battery is doing. And then when the battery finally equalizes all the negative charges, finally equalize out the positive charges, now your battery is dead. Now your battery doesn't produce energy anymore. So you imagine that same concept on a larger scale when we're generating power. That's all we're doing when we're generating power is we're making that dipole. We're reopening that battery or keeping that battery open. And that's how power is being generated. And when you look at it from that concept, you realize, yeah, all we're burning all this stuff

just to keep this dipole open. And then the logical question that anyone should have once you have that realization is, why are we doing it that way? Are there simpler ways where we can keep the dipole open without constantly burning oil and coal and all these other things that we're doing to destroy the planet? And Thomas Bearden would say, yes, yes, there are ways to keep doing that. The analogy that I like to give here is, and I want to say that I'm not trying to be standoffish about answering questions related to a lot of this stuff, but I have,

have come to the conclusion, both that all the science is connected to the idea of the zero point energy field, but also it's extremely dangerous. I think back to the interviews I did with Salvatore who I think is, he's up there as well on the Mount Rushmore with Hal Pudoff and Tom Bearden to me with his super force theories. If you guys haven't seen it, check those out. But he has like two disclaimers at the beginning of each of our interviews where he says, like, I don't want to help our adversaries, like I'm a patriot, etc. This technology, is dangerous. Now, I'm sure that they're hiding free energy and whatever else, ever else you have for greed purposes, but it think it's predominantly because of national security and the danger,

like the same way where we would hide the Manhattan Project and atomic bombs from people because of the danger related to that. This is like times a million. So going back to, so the reason why I tend to use analogies is that I don't have to be specific about how the engineering concepts might work. But what I'll say is this, to give you guys an analogy that even my mom can understand is if you have somebody on a swing and they're swinging back and forth and you're pushing that swing, you don't constantly push on the swing, right? And you don't push the swing when it's at its peak when it's coming back at you either because it's counterproductive. You wait for the swing, come back to you and then you give it a push. And that's how you push the

swing. The way that we are basically doing power right now is we're constantly pushing all the time. And instead, if we use a system where we wait for the swing to come back and then push it again, perhaps there there's a way where we can then cheat the system, keep that die pole open, constantly extract energy without using the same amount of energy in that we are getting out from the system in general. A lot of people would say, oh, well, this violates the laws of thermodynamics. In fact, some places it banned even researching zero point energy because they've seen. say that oh because it violates the laws you can't pass you can't break the law that's not allowed well here's the thing about that uh the first law thermodynamics is just that energy can't be created or destroyed

that's easy to get around we have a zero point energy all around us is experimentally proven so if we just extract that energy we're not created and they're destroying any energy we're just borrowing it from somewhere else and richard feinman how putoff has mentioned that you'll hear a lot of the smartest physicists mentioned this is that in a tiny amount of energy, even a tiny amount of energy related the size of this cup, there's enough energy to boil all the Earth's oceans. And that's how much energy there is in just an extremely small area of space time in the zero point energy fields. So even if we're dipping into that, we're basically just taking teaspoons of water out of the ocean. You're never, ever, ever going to make any significant impact to it. Um, so, uh,

that's how you get around the first law. The second law of thermodynamics is a matter of opening your system up. So this is the part where, like, if you talk to people, many people don't even know what the second law really is. They just think that the second law of thermodynamics is free energy is not possible. But the second law of thermodynamics is that in a closed system in a box, then heat is always going to flow towards cold. And if this is the case and you're always going to lose some amount of heat

due to the system processes that are happening, no system can ever be 100% perfectly 100%. 100% efficient. That's basically what the law says. Well, what if instead of this closed box, we now open that box up and we have another input come in here from the zero point energy field. Now we've gotten around that system, and this is non-equilibrium thermodynamics. And it shouldn't be that hard to understand. So I'll give you another analogy. If my closed box is a windmill, the windmill can never produce power. You would say that it's impossible to produce power from a windmill. The windmill can never move its wind, move its windmill all on its own. Well, yes,

because it requires an external source, the wind to be blowing into it. And without the wind, then you can't, you're not going to be able to produce any energy. And so this is the same kind of concept. Now, some people then the way, then what they do is they start to get tricky with the words of the semantics. They say, oh, well, that's, that's natural. That's natural. Well, so is a zero point energy field. That's also natural. And it's a lot better than wind because it's always there. And we have unlimited ability to access it and unlimited to draw from it. Because even though there's technically a limit to it, it's so large that from our purposes, it's infinite. You know, compared to the lights and stuff that I'm running here, this is nothing compared to the amount of energy that's available out there.

So these are the core concepts of free energy and why it's possible and why people are researching it. And I'm going to prime you on the next question. Sure. Which is, I want you to ask me, you know, okay, well, who's researching it and is there any, you know, experimental or scientific evidence that's out there? All right. So let's make believe I just ask that question. Fire away. So I think great questions, Stephen. So just recently I ran into Garrett Modell. He's a PhD, University of Colorado, professor emeritus at in quantum mechanics. And for it seems like almost two decades, he's a PhD. He's a PhD, University of Colorado, a professor emeritus in quantum mechanics. And for, it seems like almost two decades, he's, been researching how to extract energy from the vacuum using something called casimir cavities and i found there you guys can find there's a video on youtube called i think like the the secret of

zero point energy or something like that with garret modal you should be able to find it pretty easily out there another one where he explains it he's got scientific paper that's out there um so he's basically doing what i mentioned related to the battery is analogy finding another way around it and the casimir effect where we see the plates coming together automatically to find a way to perpetually extract energy. Now I have to add one more caveat here is that the Casimir effect shows that we can extract energy from the environment because all we do is we put two plates together

and then we get a force. So if we use that force to power our battery, now we are extracting that energy. Physicists out there, the skeptics will say, well, yes, that may be true, but you can't repeatedly do it because if you pull the plates back apart again, now you're doing work and now that will counteract

gains that you gained when it came together. That's true, but that doesn't mean that we can't extract energy. We still 100% can extract energy from the vacuum just because the plates come together. Because then we can just throw the plates away in a theoretical experiment. So there's maybe other ways to pull it off. And the way that my understanding of Garrett Motel's approach is he basically takes two semiconductors and separates them with an insulator. and he creates this asymmetry where he excites the electrons when they go through the first semiconductor

from this cavity that's above them. And this allows them to jump the gap of the insulator. The insulator is basically like a wall saying you can't get past you. But if they are charged enough, they can jump the gap and they can get to the second semiconductor. And then at that point, apparently it creates a current where the electrons would presumably begin to build up there to the point where then they're going to start jumping the gap back the other direction. And this creates this energy differential, this energy density differential that we need for the Casimir effect, because that's what the Casimir effect is, just energy differential.

Now, he has done the math, and he's done, they've done experiments on it. They've done stuff to try to rule out that it's not something else that's causing it. And I believe it's at certain voltages. I could be wrong. I'd have to look at the graph that he posted. It's in his scientific paper that you guys, and find out there certain levels, then it is actually producing more energy out

than it's taking in. And this is incredible because there it is guys. Like there is your, you know, scientific evidence and one engineering model called using Casimir cavities to produce free energy repeatedly and constantly dip into that energy over and over and over again. So this is the part where you would say, well, why is it not getting attention? And in his video on the zero point energy, which I'll pull the name up just so that people can go find it, he even has a part on that.

It's my favorite part of it. He goes, well, what's the scientific community saying about this? And the answer is nothing. They're saying nothing at all about it. They have no comments and there is just, you know, silence. And this goes to your point about distractions and what have you, what you find out is that scientific community, when they're not interested, they just don't pay any attention to it at all. So the name of that video by Garamodel is unlocking zero point energy.

I think it's a really, really good video. If you want to see how the design of his configuration is, the experimental results, and then his thoughts. He also talks with the laws of thermodynamics as well in there. And that's just one example, guys. So people will say, well, what about these other devices that are out there? You know, a lot of the stuff that we see on social media, they're not true free energy devices.

Yeah, I was wondering about that because I've seen people kind of come at you before. People will always come to at you on social media. When it comes to some of the free energy devices, more recently, I've seen people kind of be like, oh, you know, Ashton's pushing some old device that was proven to be, you know, fake 20 years ago. So what, I mean, what's the deal with some of those things? Yeah, so let's first start with like a lot of the stuff that you see on social media where people just show like a video of some perpetual motion where it's like, oh, this is a ball rolling around or in some cases some of the magnet stuff where it's like a spinning wheel. I think that magnets are definitely the key.

Now, why? Because a magnet's a dipole. So a magnet is a pole that doesn't break down. Imagine like the battery, but your battery doesn't ever go away. It stays. You have this asymmetry that's like built into the metal that's permanent. So when you're looking for a way where you want to keep pushing on the swing, a magnet. is makes a lot of sense.

Because, you know, perhaps you just flip your magnet around at the right time. And then you use that to keep pushing the swing over and over and over again. For me, when I'm evaluating pre-energy devices, the thing that I look for is I don't look for something that has no net input. Because remember, we need, we want to be pushing a swing. So we are going to end up doing some work when we push that swing. So some people just try to make it so that, oh, there's no net input. at all. That's not necessary for a free energy device. You just need coefficient of performance greater than one, which means you're getting more energy out than you're putting into it.

Any amount of excess energy that you're getting out of it would break everybody's minds, even if it's a tiny, tiny amount. But when you get some of these free energy devices, they're putting it way more out than they're putting in as well. So if you're trying to design one, that would be my first recommendation. I would also recommend basically every free energy device I've ever seen basically used magnets. I think the Casimir cavity one might be one of the only ones that potentially doesn't. But when you start talking about semiconductors and superconductors, there's also magnetic effects related to those.

With respect to the device, like I started a company with my partner, and that is EtherTech LLC. People can Google it. They found it, what have you. I was making a lot of proclamations about it, but, you know, I just decided because of all the attacks and what have you, it was probably better to work. privately than publicly related to that and stuff is still going on related to it. What had happened there was that I was sent a picture that was a similar design to what we were selling.

And it turned out that there was a video out there that people were able to find within like 10 seconds. Because people are like, I'm under the microscope with everything I do. So it turns out we didn't know that video was out there. So I explained that to people, but you'll still help people misrepresenting the situation. constantly about it. I explained it on the stream, et cetera. So what I showed was a real free energy device. Absolutely real. You can see the meters in the videos. There's really no ambiguity about it. It was outputting coefficient of performance greater than two on there, which anything over one is going to blow people's minds. And it's a magnetic motor design. That's our design is a magnetic motor

design as well. People found stuff related to Haddam, who had a magnetic motor as well. It's very similar. He patented it, I think, in France. And there's one video that claims to debunk it, but here's the other aspect of this. And this is why I brought this up, is that it's not as simple as just, oh, I'm going to build it and make it look the same on the front end. And then it's going to produce over unity. With respect to a lot of this, there is engineering aspects in terms of your circuit design that need to be configured the right way in order for it to achieve high levels of coefficient of performance so that it goes over one. I'm not going to go into exact specifics on that,

but what I will say is look at some of Tesla's work with respect to some of the stuff that he did that's out there. But that's the reason why you can't just say, oh, plug and play and I'm going to make it work unless you know what you're trying to do on the back end as well. So again, like if you imagine the swing scenario, you know, there's this oscillation happening with the swing. So every time the swing is back here, you're pushing it again.

Well, now you can imagine there's this resonance, this time resonance. So every one second or every two seconds, you're pushing on the swing as well. So this also comes into play with the magnets, is that you need to have your resonance set up in a very specific way so that you're achieving the maximum output that is possible with the least amount of input. And if people are really interested, they can go dig up that video. I'm not going to post it again because, you know, I think I've been pushing it pretty far. Like, I'm a guy who wants to get the truth out there.

But like I said, this stuff's dangerous. It's scary. There's people that, you know, know, know, know about this stuff and they don't want it out there. And I don't really want to push all the buttons that are out there. Right. So that's the only reason why I'm somewhat careful about it. But the information is all out there. And that's, again, just one design.

I'm not saying that magnetic motor is the only way you can do it. I'm just saying that is one way where it can get done. And then, you know, the casimir cavities. is potentially another way where it can get done. And that's one that doesn't have moving parts. So there's benefits to that type of design. It wouldn't surprise me if the Holcomb generator that Dr. Stephen Greer has been promoting or not really promoting, but talks about in some of his videos,

it wouldn't surprise me if they use some type of casimir cavity type effect because they claim to have no moving parts as well. And then the next question people ask is, well, why isn't it out there if it's real? Why are you not a billionaire? Why are you not a millionaire? because that's not how the world works at all. And Tom Bearden talks about this a lot as well. There's a million ways to make it go away.

The fact that people don't believe it's real is a big barrier to entry as well. But then there's a manufacturing cost and ability. The reason why I like the magnetic motor design is one of the cheaper ones to be able to produce. Not only are someone like the magnets, like these neodymiumia, I can never say this word right. Not only are these permanent magnets extremely expensive, but you need to have the right types of engineers who, A, believe the science and know how the science actually works.

And then it takes a lot of engineering to set up the back end engineering and to get the resonance of the magnetic motors correct. And if you, you know, this takes a lot of work. And if you were to ask people like who are really smart engineers or consultants, how much they bill their timeout for. Like, for example, my company builds my time out for more than $200 an hour. So, you know, if you just look at that and start adding that up, you can realize that like now to produce a device, like these things are getting really expensive.

This is why I don't think they're out there is that the devices that are like the Holcomb generator and these other giant things that people have. These devices are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars worth of, you know, production cost. So of course, random people aren't going to have them. And this is why you can realize now that the issue isn't necessarily the information not being out there. It's all out there. The information is how do you commercialize it to a degree where it's cost, effective,

for people because yes, maybe you can produce unlimited energy, but how much are you really saving? You have to do this analysis. Like, okay, my bill is $500 a month for electricity. This device will cut down 75% of the electricity that I use, maybe not all of it. So, you know, do the math and figure out how much, how long will it take to payback this, the cost of the device. That's the real situation we're in. Interesting. So kind of cost of production and everything like that.

And also, again, when it comes to, you know, the natural suppression, I think, I think, I think you see a lot of natural suppression. What I mean by that is just in society, there's this way of thinking, condition, really, a conditioning that people are used to that gives a natural suppression. These companies, these big energy companies and oil companies, everything like that, they really don't even have to do that much, I think, when it comes to suppressing these things. Because I think a lot of people say that, well, you know, how do they suppress it? It's a, you know, fear tactics, do they threaten people?

It's just conditioning. And people themselves kind of suppress it with the way we think in everyday society. Yeah. And so this is why I was kind of beefing with a meti electro boom guy on YouTube. He's got, I don't know, 7.5 million subscribers, I think. And he, you know, debunks these theories or whatever that are out there. And the reason why I did that is because I wanted to show people exactly what you just mentioned. That it does, they don't have to.

to kill people. People go, if this Ashton's selling the truth, why haven't they silenced him? Because they don't have to, number one. And number two, like, we've got really powerful forensic capabilities. How are you going to silence somebody and get away with it? You've got to be much more covert in order to pull something off like that, especially somebody who's got 150,000 followers on social media. So I just wanted to show people that they don't have to do anything, is that there's people that are out there that we live in such a cynical world, especially in social media age, where anything that seems too hard to believe, you're going to have no shortage of people

that want to go and claim that it can't be possible. I literally gave Medi the ability to come and see the device. It didn't even have to come see it. All I wanted for him to sign an NDA, so they can't explain exactly how it works legally since we have intellectual property related to it. And the moment you do that, it's like there should be no excuse. Like all you do is sign a piece of paper

says you're not going to give the intellectual property away. And then we'll explain exactly how it works, why it works, how the back and engineering works, won't do that, won't do that. And then they start making this fake narrative of, oh, if he signed the NDA, then he wouldn't be able to say how it doesn't work. What?

It doesn't even make any sense. It's not how NDAs work at all. NDAs are very normal in the business world. So, yeah. And then you see his attitude, too, which is very disappointed, you know, but I wanted to expose these people's attitudes because they're just frauds and phonies.

Is, oh, well, it can't be possible. so I'm not going to bother looking, right? Like that's the kind of attitude that people have. Right. And the hypocrisy of this is so hilarious to me because Veritasium is another one of these electrical engineers. And after I did my interview of Salvator Pice, I remember he referenced Veritasium. And I had written down every name of everybody he had ever referenced in that to go research. And I find the video Veritazium did about power, that power doesn't flow through wires.

And that's, I'm being a little bit coy, but it doesn't. It actually flows to the fields that the electrons are creating, the electromagnetic fields, and then use the right-hand rule. And depending on your configuration, if you have like this hot dog configuration, then actually the power is flowing from the battery directly to the bulb here. And he was able to show experimentally that it's the, basically the power is actually radiating, not necessarily flowing directly to the wires, because the bulb here turns on before the power would even at the speed of light, even be able to get through the wires.

and they did some modeling to show that this is 100% real. And sure enough, when he first did the first video he made, he had people like Electro Boom guy, you know, Medi, this other guy, Dave, something or other, but a bunch of these other debunker electrical engineers go, no, this can't be possible. This is fake, blah, blah, blah. It would violate the, so it's a special relativity, blah, blah.

And so then Veritasim does a follow-up video where he literally sets up the experiment and proves to them 100%. that's how we're. So just goes to show you these people that think they're experts, they don't even understand how power works and how energy flows in general. So take what you see on YouTube with a great assault, even people with 7.5 million followers. They don't even understand the basics of the thing that they claim to be experts on. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the U.S. from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brook Linnon, and Kylie.

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when you think that kind of the genesis of this was the MH370 videos and how you went down this path of really discovery. I mean, when it came to the plane disappearing with the four orbs circling, well, the three orbs, and then we've discovered there was a fourth orb in the video, right? If I remember correctly.

Well, we think there is. I mean, that's, my name is Ashton Forbes. So it is kind of funny that it kind of, rhymes with four orbs, but that's the theory. Because we always think, well, where's the plane showing up? What's the steering wheel? Like, how is it actually stopping when it comes out the other side? And so we've kind of speculated that entanglement would be the way they do that.

You know, you have this fourth orb and you want to figure out where it stops. Then you just have a fourth orb somewhere else. And then that's how you determine where it stops is where the fourth orb is. But it's just a theory. It may not end up being true because if you imagine the balloon scenario when we're talking about zero point energy as well. Or let's say take a turkey baster. You know, turkey baster is a bulb on it and then it's got a long tube.

You squeeze the turkey baster, then the air is going to shoot out over this way. Well, it could also just be that however hard you squeeze the vacuum of space time is how far the plane ends up going. And the vector travel might be determined based on the right hand rule, which would indicate the plane going backwards. So it could be a theory. And that's what Bob Greenier thinks is that you don't need the fourth orb as well, is that you can just, it's just going to show up based on how hard you squeeze and then, you know, it's going to go out there. And so this kind of unifies all these concepts where, you know, you imagine the extraction

of energy is that you're extracting energy from the vacuum, you know, and then so that energy has to go somewhere. So you squeeze on this side, this side has to increase. This is the same concept as extracting energy for free energy as well. And this is the reason why when you look at free energy devices, the ones that interest me the most are the ones that show some of the same properties, kind of like, like in the UFO community, the five observables. With free energy, you kind of have the same concept as well.

Coefficient or performance greater than one. So it's producing more energy out than it's taking in. The mass reduction effect. So if you get to the high enough voltages and powerful enough extraction, you're going to have a mass reduction effect because you're actually, you're taking so much energy out of the vacuum so quickly that it's now creating this gravitational or anti-gravitational effect that you're seeing. And this is what caused your device to get.

lighter. So if you see a strong mass effects, then I would say, okay, that's probably a very powerful free energy device. Once that are very small, I probably have a negligible amount of mass effect. And then the last one is it's going to cool down. And this concept is very interesting as well. And one that I hadn't really thought about before all of this is that it cools down because you're extracting energy from a location. It's like extracting heat from a location. You would imagine, of course, it's going to cool down in that localized area as well, because this is a negative entropy effect. It's the exact opposite of losing heat to your system where you have this heat dissipating. Instead, you're extracting energy from the outside and pulling it in. So now you're going to lose heat

from the area where you're extracting it from. So those are the three types of things that I would expect. And then one last example I'll give people here is we found this website Kepler Aerospace. I don't even remember exactly how I found this. And I started looking at their website. And I notice I'm looking at the research projects and they've got this big project about the Kepler magnetic energy converter giant device. I mean, this thing is actually, excuse me, it's actually on some type of stabilization, which is what I assume they're using for measuring the mass reduction. This company, oh, I remember how I found it. I was Googling this guy, Franklin Meade, who worked for the Air Force and on and he was thanked by Hal Pudoff on some papers and Eric Davis and I'm like, who is this guy? And I find this Reddit post. And the Reddit post is like this deep dive into Franklin Mead and talks about how he was like an advisor for Kepler Aerospace who has like hundreds of millions of dollars in investment. So I look up their website and I'm like, oh boy, because you start reading like the right, the top of their website. And it's all a bunch of stuff. Let me pull it up real quick.

Yeah. So I just want to read a couple of the things here. Kepler Aerospace is an innovative aerospace technology development company headquartered in Midland, Texas. Kepler has developed a suite of proprietary technologies ranging for exotic, electromagnetic propulsion, compact mobile fusion, gravity modification, and earth-saving technologies that reduce harmful emissions by processing fossil fuels into clean burning aviation and diesel fuels without the need of biomass. And I'm like, okay, well, what kind of stuff you got going on here?

This is like, because you're seeing all the same connections, right? You're seeing free energy. I think that fusion is also tied to this as well. seeing gravity manipulation, etc. I saw that John Brandenburg was related to this company as well. And then I see this magnetic energy converter. So you guys can read this and go to their website yourself if you want. In the introduction says the MEC, which is a magnetic energy converter,

is a power generating device that can produce electricity, motive power, and has a gravitational reduction effect. The MEC can convert almost an unlimited energy source known to quantum physicists as the vacuum state, dark energy, or zero point energy, into conventional mechanical and electromagnetic energy, which can be harnessed as electricity, turned into wheels, turbines, etc. The last paragraph here I want to say, because remember what I mentioned about the observables. The Kepler MEC prototype successfully produced 35% loss or gain of weight, depending on the direction of rotation, and produced five to seven kilowatts of electrical power. It also caused a temperature decrease of 6.9 to 12.8 degrees Fahrenheit in the local vicinity.

Wow. You hear those things when they go, okay, you just pressed all my observables right there, and you've got this device is like the size of this room as well. So people wonder, well, where is the device and what's going on? I'd say that's a really great question. You know, and I would say, get some extra security for those guys who are researching that. That's free energy. I mean, they're describing creating, you know, free energy tapping into the quantum vacuum

because it all kind of goes hand in hand, the zero point energy, free energy, the quantum vacuum. Gems, which we didn't even really get to kind of, you know, jump into. It's what is that. It's the gravity electromagnetism super unification theory. Did I get that right? Because that's actually literally, if you go to their same website, just press the research button at the top and you're going to see a bunch of papers and you scroll down a little bit and you'll find Brandenburg Aerospace, Gem November 2017 briefing.

It's about 60 slides. And yeah, it talks about gravity, electromagneticism unification theory. And what you're going to find out is it's exactly the same as Sakharov and Hal Pudov's zero point fluctuations as an explanation for gravity theory. In fact, there was a paper later on that I found that references both of them. So Salvatore Pius, I think, worked with Brandenberg and wrote a follow-up with respect to his super force and how they all relate together. It has to do with something called the Zitribuagong, which I haven't really researched much,

but it's kind of the idea that there is this extra dimension, but it's like infolded, and this is why we don't see it. And so we see the interactions are happening at the plank scale, smallest possible scales that are out there. And that's where this energy is coming from. So when we're tapping into that energy, we're tapping into it in another dimension that is at such a small microscopic scale that we cannot even really perceive it. But it's always there around us all the time.

So, yeah, all this stuff being connected is to me, people should be paying way more attention to this. And this is why I'm 100% confident with the passage of time that the videos will be vindicated and shown to be true, and the science will be shown to be true as well. Yeah, this isn't a distraction story, people. This is the real deal. I think over time, you know, again, this started off as the MH370 videos where you were showing, here's what's been showing on the cameras, you know, as far as the drone cameras,

and it's evolved into, well, here's how it can happen. And we just went over it. I mean, basically almost an hour long of all these things, how they kind of come together. And the technology is out there, and it's been discussed. and it's being discussed. And it could even go back to as far back as something as, and I know you and I both only really have a few minutes left, that I wanted to touch on so much more.

But it can even go back to something like the Philadelphia experiment. I saw you were kind of touching on the Philadelphia experiment recently on social media. That's one story that really kind of got me into the whole UFO phenomenon to begin with. And even before, you know, I kind of doveed into a lot of things that you're talking about here today. Do you think that was kind of a genesis point, the Philadelphia experiment, where we supposedly accidentally teleported, you know, a battleship back in the 40s in the World War II era? Yeah, no, I think so. I think that there's some credibility to it. I think it's a very weird story to be fake, especially in the 1940s and things like that.

It's also a time well before social media, media in general in the video. So there's very little evidence to be able to prove or refute it. And so I don't necessarily believe it. Like I was watching the Y-Files thing about it. I don't know if I believe in all, like some of the Mon-Talk stuff of guy went back in time and, you know, fix the time stream and all that stuff. You know, it seems that's pretty far out there. But if you look at the scientists that were connected to Philadelphia experiments, like a lot of the heavy hitters, Tesla wanted nothing to do with it. Einstein was connected to it.

Thomas Thompson Brown was connected to it, others as well. So to me, it would make sense is that we accidentally realize that if we do the right thing with magnetism and manipulate the zero point energy field, we can potentially produce gravitational effects. And when we're messing with gravity, we're messing with time because space and time are one and the same. So, yeah, I think that that's one of the aspects. I think that the Manhattan Project is another time where I think that we, I like to look at it. sides of a coin. You said, here's the atomic power, E equals MC squared on this side. And this side is, let's say, the Zitribu Gong or the zero point energy field. And you imagine we were shown this side. The reason why we were shown the E equals M2 squares is we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If you'd ask people in 1940, you know, about E equals MC squared, they said, oh, what's a theory, but it hasn't been proven that it's possible. We can't produce bombs that can do that much damage, you know, and then you show it and now it becomes self-evident. But I, I think that we never showed the other side, which is not only is E equals MC squared, that we can make a huge amount of energy from a small amount of mass, but we can actually just straight to extract energy from zero point fields all around us everywhere, and that that amount of energy is practically unlimited, as Richard Feynman would mention with a cup analogy. So, yeah, I think that the suppression is, that's the scary part to me,

is that we're not talking about a situation, but we just figured this out in 2020, and we've been hiding it for a few years. like this is like we've we've known about the concepts at least for 80 or more years some people would say maybe it's been known for hundreds of years maybe ancient civilizations have it and then maybe another discussion for another podcast that we do uh because i do think that if you think about the dangers related to this and the destructive capability it does naturally make you wonder like what is the true nature of humanity in our civilization and have we figured this out or did our ancestors figured this out in a past and did something go horribly wrong and we're in some

kind of cycle. And the reason why I bring that up at the end here is that this is what I really want people to be thinking about with respect to this is what are the implications for this because I don't think the people that are hiding this are just mustache twirling villains. I think that they in their own minds believe that what they're doing to hide this is for the right reasons. Like we're not ready. It's dangerous. We could destroy ourselves related to it. And that's what we should be trying to think about is that how do we get to a point where we can have free energy and the ability to teleport an object from one location to the next location without completely annihilating ourselves. Yeah, exactly. And if you have a few more minutes, one of my things

got pushed back. Do you still have a few more minutes? Sure. Okay, because I wanted to bring this up, and this is just kind of selfishly, but also it applies to what we're talking about. I just find this so fascinating. I want to see back in 2011, which is even before the disappearance of, of MH370, I had this idea. Before I was into any of this, I was always kind of into the, you know, idea of life on throughout the universe and everything like that and already being visited and, you know, ancient Egypt and, you know, all those theories. But before I even considered any of this, what we're talking about today, I had this idea of, man, I wish I could just charge my phone by using the magnetism in the earth's field.

And I thought about that one day. Again, this was about 13 years ago. And I remember talking to some friends about it. I'm like, it wouldn't it be cool if we can, you know, kind of harness the earth's magnetism to charge our phones? And it looked at me like, the heck are you talking about? Like, how would we even do that? And I feel like now 13 years later, I'm kind of vindicated on this, right?

Like that's in as much smaller scale. That's kind of what we're talking about. definitely and yeah to me if we can just extract energy with a zero point vacuum then the rest of that is practically trivial in comparison so you know pulling the energy from the earth because the earth is just a giant capacitor itself seems certainly plausible and that's why i think that some people in Tesla possibly have figured out ways where they could just you know extract energy directly from the earth itself and i think that's another thing that could happen if you're interested in that i definitely recommend checking out i think it's lieutenant general Stephen Quast's discussions that he's had. I think he spoke to Tim Ventura, and he also did a speech at Hillsdale College. You can find that interview that's out there. Some people have clipped it.

I've clipped it in the past as well. He talks about two things that are really relevant. One of them is that we can just beam energy from one location to the other location. I don't know how people have just ignored this, because it should, in many people's minds, be defined the laws of thermodynamics. Just beam energy from one location

to another location with no degradation or loss of the energy. That's just literal teleportation of energy. Right. And he just talks about it openly and that we can just power our phones from anywhere and just the energy can just be like beamed into our phones. The other thing

he mentions as well is that we can get a person from anywhere on the planet to anywhere else on the planet in under an hour. And I was like, what do you just say? How are we doing this? Was space elevators? Like someone walked me through the logistics here

because to me it sounds like he's talking about teleportation. And then I heard that because I've done a lot of interviews and some of the podcasters had done interviews with him and I think they asked him privately for a follow-up on that. And I guess his cover story for this, which I don't know if I believe is that some kind of mechanism for like a low Earth orbit airplane or something and you get people around. I'm still going, I don't know, man. Like, that doesn't really add up for an hour in terms of, you know, being able to pull that off. But if we got some orbs that can just make a plan go from here to there, then makes a lot more sense. I don't know if he would be in the know. But one more thing I want to say on this, too, is that just because you're in the military, even just because you have a security clearance doesn't mean you know about this technology that's out there. Stuff is highly compartmentalized. They intentionally hide it in third party.

contractors and defense contractors so that it is shielded from a lot of this stuff. And so the number of people that I've come to realize that even know about a lot of this is we're not talking thousands of people. In fact, I think we're probably talking like hundreds of people or the people that like really have a good idea when they put it all together is like dozens of people. When you start reading the scientific papers and the engineers, like these are the guys that know because they're the ones who are on the front lines working on the technology. And you start to realize that a lot of them know each other. And these networks are much smaller than I would have imagined.

Like, you know, I think that Salvatore Pius probably knows, I don't know for a fact, but probably knows Hal Pudoff. He references one of his papers or one of his things. Sal Pius did a paper with Brandenburg. Brandenburg probably knows Hal Pudoff as well. And then those Eric Davis and Hal Pudoff are like worked together in the same company. So you start to realize that like this is how they keep it secret is you don't have to you just have to keep a certain number of people quiet.

And if you keep them happy and you keep them wealthy and, you know, somewhat a little bit afraid and then you let the rest, like we talked about earlier, like the people that naturally try to debunk stuff they don't think is real, you just let that play out. That combination of factors is what allows this to be kept secret. So what we need to do is we just need to talk about it. We need to wake people up to what's truly possible because I'm 41 years old and I don't want to die until we get to Star Trek world. I want to at least see Star Trek world and then I can die happy. So guys, don't let me down out there. We still got some time. So I guess we'll finish up with

this, Ashton. You know, it's been about, I think I mentioned at the start of the episode here, it's been about almost really a year since quite frankly you came onto the scene with the MH370 videos. And so now a year, August 23 to now in August 24, so much has happened. And you've grown a lot when it comes to your knowledge, your mission, what you're doing, what you've discovered. So where do you see this all going for yourself and for the world in August of 25? How do you, what do you think we're talking about in August of 25? Yeah, that's a good question. My guess is we'll be talking about more of the same stuff. Sadly, I don't think we're ever going to get disclosure as people.

imagine and I mean that from every respect definitely not going to not going to admit that there's aliens visiting us I don't think that the government plans to admit that this technology is real anytime soon for all the reasons that we discussed here today um so hopefully I just hope that we can wake more people up you know like I know that there's other podcasters other prominent people including politicians that I've talked to they just they don't think this stuff is possible they don't think that the stuff is real I think this is the reason why like the Joe Rogans the Lex Friedman's and the Sean Ryan's of the world, aren't that interested in talking to me, is they just think it's too far beyond the pale, too far beyond the paradigm.

So I think that that's what we need a shift that's out there. What I would tell people is don't be surprised if, you know, big things start happening, at least with respect to my world. Like I've got irons in the fire and the forge trying to work them out. I mean, I'm trying to do all the things that I've said that I'll do, which is learn how to become an electrical engineer, learn how to become a physicist, work on the technology, try to prove the technology is possible in real is out there.

And I think that if you know something like this is real, it's basically the equivalent of insider information. It's almost better if the world doesn't know because then you know something's possible and the rest of the world doesn't. There's many ways where people can profit off of this information from things as small is knowing what the suppliers are for these types of devices and functionality because those are going to be the companies that potentially will make a lot of money. I mean, look at Lockheed Martin.

Let's imagine that they've got some orbs. Stock markets crashing. Lockheed Martin's up 20% in the last month. Right. So if they have technology that would break the minds of the public, their stock is worth a lot more than what it shows on paper. So these are the types of things where you can take advantage, even without having a bunch of access to resources.

They're out there. And this is not stock advice for people that's out there. I don't want to get in trouble with the SEC or anything like that. But that's kind of the thought process behind that. And I think it goes as far as like, you know, you can make gravity manipulation devices if you understand the science and you understand that gravity is a thing that we can manipulate. And I think if you've been listening closely on today's podcast, I've given you guys the scientists and the papers to go listen to and read to have an idea of how that's possible. Yeah. And I feel like I always learn a lot every time we get to talk.

And, you know, it kind of forces me to dig into some of these things, some of these, these things a little bit more. And then I realized, oh, my gosh, like this connects to that. So it was a really great discussion, very cool discussion. And I wish and I hope, my hope is, you know, for the next year is that you do have the Joe Rogans, the Lex Friedman's, the Sean Ryan's reach out to you and say, and I know some of them that have reached out to you in the past and things didn't materialize, but that they reach out to you again in some cases and say,

let's talk about this because, you know, it's great that you and I get to talk about it here on UAP, but I really want this discussion to be more, you know, out there, more mainstream, so more people can see it the more. So, I mean, that's why I always like bringing you on, because just in my audience, you know, it's growing exponentially over the past year, which I'm incredibly thankful for. And I hope that it continues to grow. And that way more and more people can go back to these episodes and hear the things you've talked about because it's just amazing what's happened in the past year. So I can't wait to see what

happens a year from now. And I hope we can continue to talk about it because I feel like this stuff is just so exciting. Yeah. And I love that your audience is increasing. You know, of the podcasts that I've been on, I love to see the growth of the people that I enjoy talking with, including you. Shout out from Pat from Vetted as well. I see like he's been doing amazing work as well. We've got great discussions. And yeah, the people that have been listening, I would say that You know, the beauty of what I'm talking about here is it answers the questions that the UFO community you want to know, which is can we manipulate gravity? Yes, we can. And how do we manipulate it?

Look at the zero point fluctuation theories related to gravity. You're going to find the answers right there. And then that will lead us to free energy, lead us to warp drives, and it will lead us to wormholes. These are all the things that we want to know about. And it all started with one video of MH370, which is, just incredible. Hopefully we find out more about that too. And, you know, maybe the coming years, whatever it may be. Incredible stuff, Ashton. Always appreciate it. Thanks for the time today. And we'll talk again soon. Thanks, Stephen. And thanks so much again to Ashton for coming back on

the show. We'll definitely do it again. So if you enjoy those interviews, you can look forward to more in the future, I hope, because I know I would love to have them back on for sure. And I think he'll do it. But other than that, it really was. I really hope you enjoyed it as a whole. it was again like I said that at the beginning of the episode it was just a different level for me this time for whatever reason I just got it more so I hope you experienced that as well and I really you know command Ashton for putting in the time he has you know say say what you want about the guy I know he's always been a polarizing figure on social media for whatever reason you know this this that or the other but he puts in the work I mean you can say whatever you want about it

you can't deny that the dude puts in the work. He has taken his own time to study and learn. And, I mean, it's not even like it's to the point where you can really refute what he's saying in the fact of, you know, he's wrong about it. What I mean by that is when it comes to the scientific studies, you can doubt the scientific studies. But the fact is, these have been studies, and there have been brilliant scientists who have done these studies and written the papers that Ashton was referring to during the episode. So it's not like he's making things up out of thin air, I guess is what I'm trying to say. He's not using free energy to come up with his arguments. See what I did there?

But in all seriousness, though, it was interesting for me personally to be able to have that connection of the two worlds. I believe that, and I know Ashton was saying the same thing, that these things go hand in hand when it comes to the UAP discussion and the otherworldly technology, and they talk about it with UFOs using some type of wormhole technology to open up portals and travel through space. I mean, does that not sound like kind of what we're talking about here during that interview? So that's why I'm saying is that I believe these two discussions do go hand in hand.

I don't think that they are exclusive to each other that, well, I just want to talk about, you know, aliens and UFOs and I want to talk about zero point energy. Well, no, I think you have to kind of mesh those together because there is a middle ground there. That's why I enjoy having these discussions with Ashton because it helps to build more of the puzzle for me and my mind when you start to think about, well, you know, how would space, you know, travel exist and, you know, traveling through space and time? And a lot of this stuff answers those questions. So, yeah, I mean, I believe that they shouldn't be mutually exclusive discussions. I think they should be coming together like we just did there today. Man, it's fascinating and so much more. I think the thing that gets me the most about a discussion like that is that there's so much more to discover.

That's what I think it really excites me. And it was funny after we were done, Ashton and I spoke a little bit after the interview, after we were done recording. And he said to me, he's like, you really like this stuff, huh? I'm like, yeah, I do. It really has piqued my interest more over, I would say, the past six months than it ever has been. I've always been interested in, you know, space, time travel and everything like that, you know. And time travel, is time travel possible in wormholes, of course, all those things have always interested me. But when I start to actually hear the theoretical science behind it and how it could be achieved and how it may already have been achieved, then I'm like, whoa.

Okay, let me hear more about this. So, like I said, definitely planning to having Ashton again in the future. I love those discussions. It's just so incredibly fascinating to me because I really feel like just with the UAP discussion, there's so much more to discover with both of these things. And that's what we're going to keep doing. Keep having the discussions. Keep asking the questions.

And let's keep this conversation out there because if we don't, who will. But all that said, so much more to look forward to on UAP coming up. in the future. We don't have to travel through a wormhole to hear the next episode. There's really, there's just so much going on in the world and the conversations happening around the UAP community and everything like that. So there's no shortage of topics to talk about that is for sure. And one of these days, I feel like, not that I'm comparing myself to this guy, but just

for the sake of analogy, I feel like George R.R. Martin these days where everybody keeps asking, when are you going to finish writing Game of Thrones? and he's like, oh, I'll get to it one of these days. I feel like that when it comes to episode 81 of the original UAP. I've been planning that and plotting that for like three months now. So I promise at one point or another, hopefully sooner than later, I will get that episode done, but there's just been so much to focus on. There's just so much, you know, burner is happening at once here.

A lot of pots on the stove, I guess. And so that episode 81 is going to get done. I promise, and that is on the docket as well, and future plans and future episodes of UAP. So keep track of the show and all the latest happenings by downloading and subscribing to the show, wherever you get your podcast, Apple and Spotify, and all really the major platforms. You can find UAP to search UAP on an unidentified alien podcast and on social media.

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That always goes a long way to helping the show out. So thank you again. And until next time, it's Stephen Deiner here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast. So much more to come in the future and I look forward to bring it all to you very soon. Until then, have a great day. be well and I'll talk to you soon. Thanks.