Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 10 | Battle of the Beavers, a Big Ole Boat, and Water Baptism

Episode Date: June 30, 2019

Phil waves the white flag to the beavers. Jase and Al try to figure out how big the arc really was. Phil discusses the who, how, and when of salvation.  See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1 To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed What about you? All right so dad you just launch in Yeah because I want to hear this but I just thought well most people don't really think in terms when they speak of judgment they'll say something like they'll blame anything on mother nature

instead of God this is divine power over nature of out of touch, trees are fried. I mean, just like you sprayed them would round up. Calming storms. Just think about if you had the ability to calm storms. In other words, he marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness.

Who shut up the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the wounds? This is in the book of Job. When I said, this far you may come, speaking to the water, no father. Here's where your proud waves halt. So you start down through there and you look at all these things. Lightning and hail, snow and clouds. Psalms 148, 8. Stormy winds that do his bidding. Proverbs 30, verse 4, who's gone up to heaven and come down? Who's gathered up the wind and the hollow of his hands? Who's wrapped the waters in his cloak? Who's established all the ends of the earth? What's his name? What's the name of his son? Mark 4.39.

And he got up, Jesus rebuked the wind and said to the wave, quiet, be stilled. The wind died. It was completely calm. Well, you look at that. Fire, drought, floods, you say, bugs, pestilence, all kinds of turn loose, turn water into blood. I mean, you just start down the list of frogs. You're like, what in the world?

I feel like I walked in on the middle of a conversation. The conversation is we pull up to our duck blind, one of about 60 duck blinds. I'll pull up there. The eunuch is with me. A millennial, a wayward, a straight millennial gasping for air in a mighty throng of millennials that's forgotten where it came from. This is the guy that you hired. He worked for me. I hired him.

He works for me. So we pull up on this thing, huge duck blind, 25 foot long, six foot. wide, roof and all. I go right on the back where you come in, Jace, on your end, where you hunted this year. I crawled up in there, and I look to my left. Which is very courageous. Yeah, I'm on my hands and knees. There's floodwaters.

The floodwaters, so I'm watching for varmets of all kinds, cotton mouth, and I look down in there, a wasp up on the roof, you know, I'm watching for them. And I'm looking, and I said, how in the world could, a group of animals do what I'm looking at. Where I stand, Jace, down there, on my end, where I usually stand, you got to remember the old floors have righted out and we just throwed some plywood on them enough to make the duck season last year. We have subsequently tore all that out, replaced all that with plywood, treated plywood. That's a 40-year-old duck blind. but the beavers had moved into that duck blind.

I guess they swam up, come out of the water, where our dog comes up on the boat, on the dog ramp. Well, how deep is the water right there? The water right now right there is about 13 feet deep and falling. So the beavers have no place to stay. They swam up in there, looked around, and said, you know what? We have a roof.

The floor is pretty rough shape, but we can go through these holes in the floor, bringing these sticks and stuff in here. And why don't we just move in on this dude? It's his house. Let's build our house inside his house because he's done a pretty good job here. No rain on us. And which blind is this? That's the little Cypress Lake where me and you.

The one you spin on your knees. One in the back end down there. The nurse practitioner, you and I here, we had some good shoots in there. Even in the deep water. We need a higher. Roof. High roof. Oh, yeah.

So the floor is gone. It's all rotted out. But the beavers had built this thing. Where I stand, it was about chest high, up to the shooting porch. It ran towards you halfway. What, limbs? Solid brush. The beavers had come in there one limb at a time and began to strategically place that.

Way down in there, I said, because when I would pull up there to it, including that day, the neuter rats and the beavers, would begin to head out from it. Well, I've got the 22, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, I'm trying to get them. So Dan and I waded in on that. I said, we'll do what old Jays does. We'll use this Beaver Dam material. Yeah.

And to brush the blind because we'll take it from the inside and throw it in every direction and we'll have all this Beaver Dam on our duck blind. So I said, no use some throw it away, good brush. So we use the Beaver Dam brush. But here's my point. You say, how in the world in the evolutionary chain of events are you going to come out with one of these furry animals, a four-footed furry animal? I mean, he has teeth that cuts down trees. Like a chainsaw in the mouth.

Like a chainsaw. I mean, big trees. And then take them, cut them in two, drag them. they dragged thousands of pounds. That thing must have weighed thousands of pounds. They brought mud in and packed it in there, you know. I mean, they're architects, some of the greatest architects in the world. So when you look at what God can do,

how it works through nature and all that, well, I'm just looking at a bunch of beavers that have decided to build a gigantic house inside my duck blind without my permission, by the way. Squatters. That's why I'm in there. Pop, pop, pop. I said, we got to take them out.

Not up in my house. So I got it all out there. We cleaned it all up. I put a new floor on it. But it was about the whole time frame from the time we went in and looked at it. The whole time frame was probably a week's bunch of work to get all the beavered stuff out, put our stuff in and go from there. So please tell me you filmed this for in the week. woods.

We found it and the audits were able to. So you can see it on In the Woods. If you want to see this whole thing play out. My point is God works through, you know, I've said this before. I think on the podcast, the largest animal made structure on planet earth. Planet Earth is a beaver dam in Canada that runs over a mile long. And you can see it from outer space. A huge thing out in the middle is like 10 or 12 feet high.

Where is the thing? Canada. It's in Canada. Yeah. In the middle of nowhere, but they've made a gigantic lake in front of it, of course, because they've stopped up. But it's not like dammed up or like a river. They just damned up kind of like an offshoot out there at a big marshy-looking area.

But the thing is over a mile long. If you took all of that debris and mud and logs and sticks out, it would be millions of tons that they've hauled, a varmint just about that long. about that big around web feet he has web feet teeth that cuts down trees a flat tail that he can haul mud with and pack

I mean you said yeah boy the old evolutionist he he'll have a time researching that thing well yeah how he got that I mean his DNA is to do that what's crazy to me is like when you got that place down there

and you had to figure out how to control the water because we want the water during duck season and we want to pull the water off. You put your dump and your levee exactly where the beavers had already set up.

They had it figured out. We wanted to know the precise place to put our control system where we could hold the maximum amount of water. And I told my buddy,

Mac O, one of the brothers, I said, probably the beavers where they've got that dam, that's probably where we should put our flood control structure. I said, because they've already shot this thing, we've got a laser transit with us, a piece of equipment. I said, but the beavers probably have already shot it with eyeballed it.

And I said, but I bet they're close. We shot that whole area with that laser transit. And, O-O and said, Robeson, where that beaver dam is is precisely where this laser transit says, you need to put your flood control structure. You hold the maximum. amount of water right there where that beaver dam is the beavers already knew it now you just think of a furry he's stinking i mean he knows this will hold the maximum amount of water not over there we're going to put it right here what you say how did he get the ability to do that well if you only had some way of being able to build instead of having this adversarial relationship that you have with beavers if you could just somehow have a way to you are correct i mean if they

ever come on board you are correct the war started when it all came down to who's going to run this that's right that's right because i noticed when you put your dump where they already had it down the first thing they did was try to dig a hole in your dump so they could put their stuff in it they didn't like what you did they didn't like what it did they would not work with me i i declared war on them and a mighty this is a 25 year war so this is this is going way back 25 years ago i got some fire up about it. The Miss Kay put a couple of pictures up. One of them was a beaver and the other one was me sitting there and they were faced off on the wall down that. She put it on the wall where I built duck calls and she wrote up above there, who will win? Well, fast forward, it's been 30 something.

About 35 years later, I'm here to report to our audience that the beavers won the contest. Yeah, where did they keep coming from? They kept coming to the point to where now, now they're building houses inside my houses over there. I said, okay, all right. So this year, for the first time, they've been wanting to make that area a permanent poo, a lake. Yep.

I've been cutting it out, their dams out with track holes and red and I are down there with the race. When they do that, they kill the timber, which is... Kill the timber. Right. They about. But it's a natural thing. I mean, they were built to...

to make lakes. Well, they replaced the pinn oak trees with cypress trees, but it just takes 50 years. They got the ability somewhere. Someone says, well, the evolutionists would say they just evolved and learned. But you'd still have to have the teeth to cut down the trees and the tail. The flat tail and the web feet. I mean, you would have to have a varmint that could do that.

And they said, well, yeah, but they had this abstract in their mind. One of these days, I'll be, I'm a little bitty thing now. and my tail is round and my teeth can't cut down trees. But I'm going to get myself a couple of million years. And one day in the future, I'll be able to dam up, put dams that are a mile long and 10 foot high. And seen from outer space. I'll be able to do that and I'll just evolve and somehow another pick that up.

I'll be just an animal that makes lakes. I just think when you look at it logically, you say some kind of mind, design that thing. It makes me think of that verse, Hebrews 3, 4. where it says every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. That's it. Because the beaver actually. Perfect verse.

He builds a house. Have you ever crawled up in one of their houses? I have cut holes to where I could see up in there. The only reason I haven't crawled up in, I'm like the guy, the old mountain men. Jeremiah Johnson. One of them hid from the Indians by going up in that shoot up under it. You got a house made out of sticks.

A big thing. There's a hollow place where all the Reavers get up in there and sit around and eat willow limbs. Well, that old mountain man went through that little cut right there and got up in there. The Indians came up there and didn't know where he went. So they didn't find him because he had up in there. The reason I don't, that was in the north. That was in the Rocky Mountains. Down in Louisiana, you crawl up in a Beaver Dam.

All you have to do is pull up there and just hit it on top of it with a pole. And everything. Cotton mouths are coming out. in every direction. I mean, like, I've seen as high as 10 or 12 cotton mouths come out of one beaver house, so you don't crawl up in there. So the cotton mouth doesn't... Did they bite the beavers?

I mean, it seemed like they wouldn't live well together. I would think they'd be bitten. Yeah, maybe. But I don't see beavers floating around dead. That's what I'm saying. Unless there was a bullet. And they couldn't swallow one. I crawled up in one. That one up the creek that's about 30 feet. It was

kind of a warmer day during the winter. and I only had to dip my head under first thing because I could see in there and I had a light because I wanted to do it because I saw that Jeremiah Johnson. So when I popped up inside of it, I was surprised at how clean it was on the inside.

You know, the outside looks just chaotic. Was there furniture in there because... Well, look, it was like little tunnels. It was like, here's the living room. So look, I'm sitting here checking this thing out with a light. But then I sensed I was not alone. So when I turned around with the light, I'm telling you, it's a 40-pound beaver looking at me, and he went,

and beaver language. And beaver language is like the guy when we all were duck cutting. We had all the doors locked. We're in a cheap motel. There's about three rooms, kind of like a little deal, whatever you call it. There was three rooms, one door, but three different rooms. Oh, that was in Idaho.

Idaho. We're all asleep or Oregon or somewhere. And about 3 o'clock in the morning, I heard the door lock. I heard a little sound. So I thought, then I noticed someone is trying to jimmie the door, trying to get in the door. So I reached over and I had a Benelli shotgun at the time. I reached over and grabbed that.

I was sitting in my underwear. I just leaned up on the edge of the bed, and I was, I was shooting from the hip. I clicked it off safety I was just sitting there waiting on that door to open because they knew it wasn't any of us so the door comes open this way and this guy steps in

and he looks down there and sees me in my underwear with these whiskers and that Benelli pointed at his gut and I didn't say anything I was just sitting there he said his hands came up like I told him but I didn't say anything he just went

he raised his hands he said wrong room I said I just nodded you are correct he backs out I go around on the door get an angle on him to see if he had a weapon or something

and he's going across the parking lot and he looked back and saw me standing there with that gun and he got his hands at higher so that was my introduction or Oregon's introduction to the duck men that's called criminal but anyway

so in beaver language that scene was that was the beaver language saying wrong room you understand what I'm saying but anyway I'm going to give it to the beavers they're going to dam it up

the oak timber will die I've planted thousands of Cyprus out there way back thinking one day we may just have to get let the beavers have it instead of cutting out all their dams leave them and let them make a lake out of it like they want to you've now you've waved the white flag

I give up the beavers won this is a big day This is a moment. Big day. Yeah. 25 years. You're sharing a moment with us today. And the great news is, once you allow them to have their lake like they wanted to,

and I was getting in the way, I didn't want to kill the timber at the time. But the trees are dead. We're talking 100 acres here that would be a permanent pool. 100 acres of oak timber, but I'd already spot cut it to get whatever timber was worth anything. I saw this coming way back. So the bottom line is I'm giving it to the beavers. The water region. now will be up higher year around, 100 acres of water permanent.

It'll help us with the blue wing teal for sure. Well, we're going to rip the blue wing teal. Because the one year this happened where this water flooded for this amount of time, because we can't pull the water off now because the river stayed up so long. Because then it has to dry out. It's just a constant battle. You've got to till the ground to plant it. Well, that's never going to happen this year.

So you leave it. That's why the beavers were right all along because they're like, you can't control the water here because you have years that the water just stays here. Up to this year, we would drain it, and then I would pump it back up after I planted the mud flats. We opened up enough of it where we could have grass and all. Now it will change over to like duckweed, floating green duck seed. But it'll mainly be a resting hole. Resting hole. Coon tail, moss, aquatic.

And who says that rednets can't live at one with nature? It just took a few years to figure that out. We have to, we just, I've decided to work with whatever it's thrown at me, which in this case is beef. I'm going to work with them. I'm going to give it to them. They'll love it. And the great news is they will maintain it. Yeah.

If we had a leak or something, they'll come in there and fix it because you can go cut a hole in one of them dams. You come back the next morning. It's like you were never there. It's all back in there. Just like they just come in at night, patch it back up. They hear that water running. That's why Sa had the idea, you know, about play of. the tape with the water running.

It's actually not a bad idea. Sometimes it comes up with some stuff. So in our Bible study, I guess this is a perfect lead because we left off right around Genesis 6, the world's in bad shape, sin, violence, every thought. And so we kind of introduced Noah last time, which brings an interesting thought when you think about beavers and all the other animals, that the ark,

so God speaks directly to Noah who is the only righteous man out of all of mankind, however many were there, and I don't know how many, you know, had been there from Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 until you get to Genesis 6, but everybody else is bad. It's all bad all the time. We're down to 8. We're down to 8 because you had Noah and his wife, he had three sons, and they were married. So you got, you know, basically eight people that still. believe in the original connection to God.

Everybody else out. I mean, just, you know, that's what the Bible tells us. It's really not that hard to believe. That's right. If you fast forward about, by our count, roughly 7,000 years and you look at the human race, I can see how everyone could go bad. Oh, absolutely. And you see it because it encroaches.

It starts on a culture. Look at our culture just in 300 years. Or I guess probably four years. 400, which you go back to the original people. So you look at the situation. So Noah gets the word from the Almighty that there's going to be a judgment that's going to come. It's going to come in the form of water. And so it's, you know, it's going to be just great flood.

And up and to this point, you look back in the garden, there were these mists and all this. but I don't know that, you know, it seems to give you the impression in Genesis that there had not been a major rainfall, like whatever. Yeah, if ever, I've heard that before. Yeah. I think they get that. No rain. Mists.

Hebrews 11, you know, the faith chapter when it goes through all the people of faith in the Old Testament. Right. In verse 7, it says by faith, Noah, when warned about things not yet seen. Including rain. I think the idea that it hadn't rained. It was just the water was coming from the springs or the mist. You see that in the garden.

Very lush. But it says in Holy Fear built an art to save his family. By his faith, he condemned the world. And he became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. So it's interesting. So it's somewhere, and it took him somewhere between 75 and 100 years, depending on, you know, there's a lot of. scholarship about how long it took.

It was at least 75 years to build this boat. Now, by the way, I just was in Lexington, Kentucky, speaking this last week. So some group of apologists, Christian apologists, have built an arc from the specifications of the Bible. It's the exact duplicate of what the Bible laid out for nowhere to build. I went and saw the thing. I bet that was quite the boat. I mean, just that first view of it when you look and you see the whole thing, you just can't believe it. Is it like inside a building?

No. It's like what they did was like one side of it is just the boat. And then the other side of it, they've built on some things to it. So when you're walking through it, they've got all these, you know, videos playing and talking not just about knowing the art, but about creation, you know, all these different things. So it was really just a, I think they built it as an evangelistic tool to be able to show people, look, this is, here's how it could have happened. It's plausible. It's plausible.

That's the whole point. But the biggest argument I've always heard about that from people, nonbelievers, is they say, well, the art couldn't have been big enough to hold all the animals. Did they address that? They did. And I hadn't thought about it before. They did address it. And so they got all the cages where you have all the.

the animals. And of course, they had, you know, they had little dinosaurs and everything else in there, which was kind of an old earth, young earth argument. But the way they addressed it was they said God would have sent juvenile animals. It wouldn't have been full-side. We think, you think that all the pictures you see are these full size, but if it was all, if it was too little small of whatever it is. Valid point. Which is a pretty good point. You know what I'm saying? If they were all juveniles, you know. So that's- You had little beavers. See if you had big, big beavers by the time, flow was over it, they would have eaten a hole in the boat, the boat sinks, and then I'm blaming on the beaver. That's right. So they had all these juvenile animals, but it was,

really incredible because, I mean, it's like looking at a cruise ship, but the way this thing was built, of course, now they didn't have, you know, there was a lot of talk about what the gopher would, you know, was it Cyprus, the guest was it was Cyprus, which would make sense, you know, because nobody can find out what a gopher would. That's an ancient term. There's no such thing now as a go for tree or whatever that was. Well, maybe that was lost in translation. Exactly. So they figured Cyprus, some cedar, they talked about it just because of the region.

Plus, it had like layers, did it? Two or three layers. Oh, my goodness. It had decks. And then, of course, up in the top of it, you had like a skylight type thing. So it brought down light. And the way they built this thing, the light shined down into the ship. It just kind of reflects and refract it off all the way of the bottom.

so you could actually see in there. And all they had was some holes in the top of it. How long was this thing, roughly? I think 500 feet. Bible says it gives the dimension. Right. I think it was 500 yards. I don't know.

I can't remember. It was longer than a football field and half is right. 500 yards would be five football field. Well, okay. So it was, what's a football field? 100 yards. Which is what, 330 feet? 300 feet.

300 feet? 300 feet. So 500 feet. 100 feet. It was a football field plus some. I got you. That's how long. I would have thought it would have been bigger.

Well, I'm telling you, you just, it's hard to imagine it. I'm so glad that built it. That's big. When you go to a football stadium, you think if this was a ship.

So they show in their. Basically, and the animals were given after their kinds. So he didn't have all the animals that eventually came out of all that. And things, that's why I said, things, you know,

evolve. in a sense. You know, I mean, the way God said it all up. And that's the way they had the animals pictured inside. Here was this kind. Yep. Here was this kind. So it wasn't every particular one in that.

What's crazy to me is they used the argument that Sai used when, you know, because he thinks there are black panthers in the woods now. You know, he's seen them jaguars running around. Because everybody around in Louisiana has this. But what's funny is he used the same argument. when we put a black tomcat in front of his deer cam because we were going to, he was going to say he had visual evidence now

of seeing a black panther. Yeah, it was. It was a setup. We were going to say, Si, we put a black tomcat. But that was his argument. When he saw the picture, he's like, well, I've got evidence now.

Here it is. He said, Sa, we put the Tomcat in front of your camera. He's like, hadn't you ever heard of a baby panther? which is a leave it to side to find the same type of our would be the argument of why i think that uh here's my take on the on the whole deal you have here's god creator of atoms molecules he makes a man from dust he arrives on earth from a virgin which is impossible you know for man so i think when people try to go in and find discrepancies in the Bible and like try to put God in the box, you can't put him in a box. He controls atoms and molecules. He can heal you in a second. He can calm

the storm like, you know, where Phil started. So to try to trap like, oh, the, you know, the arc wasn't big enough to hold all the animals. He can do what he wants when it comes to atoms and molecules. and he's making planets and galaxies and he just you can't think in your human mind and put him in that type of life. He could have filled in all the blanks. Oh, he did fill in all the blanks. Just make it. Yeah.

That's right. But I just think the human mind can't conceive that. That's why he became a human. That's why he became Jesus. It always comes back to that, something we can relate to. But I'm always just perplexed at why people try to find some little. deficiency in their mind and the bottle like, oh, well, this doesn't fit. Well, you know, you're just not going to make God fit in your mind.

Well, that's an interesting point because there were all these people there walking through this recreation of the art. And most of them were people of faith. You could tell, you know, just listening conversation. So we want, and so was I, I was, I walked through in a wonderment, you know, of like, wow, look what God did here. I mean, like, I never doubted for a second that this wasn't, you know, and it could have been, you know, they took some artistic lives.

I'm saying I looked at it. It brought more reality to what I believe. And so that's the difference in how you look at. Somebody else may come in there. I'm sure there were some skeptics or non-believers. Oh, yeah, they're coming in there saying, not big enough. And then they're looking at everything. I think, well, that wouldn't work.

If you think about it, it's Genesis 6 for crying out loud, not too far from back to creation. So if you look at it logically, you say, how in the world, if someone came along 7,000 years later and built a replica of this thing, it would be beyond human logic or reasoning to even have the concept of a boat this size back then. And it's going to take you 100 years to build it. Especially if it had never rained. I'm saying you read the story and you say, how in the world could this kind of story? And the story of a great flood is within all culture, the Chinese culture.

They all alluded to this big water, this big water throughout history. What's interesting, I talked to some of these creationists guys who are scientists, but they are creation scientists. And one of them told me he said, that's what convinced me to put my faith in Jesus Christ. He said, when I studied with a secular group, he said, I was an atheist, and he said, my cup of tea, my expertise was going to be studied the flood to show that it's a myth, a fairy tale and all that, shut it down.

So they had a narrative. It's all a hoax, this biblical story of this great boat. It couldn't have happened in the flood that came with. it couldn't have happened no way he said the further I went in my studies I noticed he said I would get pushback every time I would say like guys I'm telling you I'm up in these mountains I'm seeing these fossilized sea creatures and all the mountain ranges on planet earth shells and snails and they're in the been bedded in these rocks on top of these places where they're as far as we can tell

there was no water to get this stuff. He said, the more I studied it, the more I had my doubts that there wasn't a flood. He said, well, the day came when I finally got the axe, they cut me off because I was researching it saying, guys, the more I look at this, I'm saying it's a possibility. There was a big water. They're like, what, oh, no, what are you talking? We didn't put you down there. So it went against the narrative.

Right. Well, he ends up ostracized, and he ended up with the creation scientists and saying, based on our study, it could have happened. So the people that built this recreation, the doors on the thing, I don't know how big they're massive. So I took a picture of them. With no power tools. That's right.

And so here's what's interesting. So they do a thing about doorway to salvation. And so what these guys did is these massive doors, and people are taking pictures in front of it. But they had a light shining from somewhere, and it put a shadow of a cross on these two massive doors. Because then they went into the whole deal about the doorway to salvation, which everybody, you know,

the thing about all the animals and know in his family that went in through those doors, those doors were shut and that was it. Nobody else got in, which was this idea of judgment. But then they kind of made the leap forward about Jesus saying, talking about himself being a doorway, a door to salvation. Plus Noah, out of all the people on earth, there was one man that Chase quoted well ago, one man who believed in the water. Right.

Well, if you believe in the water, that's his faith that saved him. Because when God said, Bill, the boat, because I'm going to. to flood the earth with water. Do you believe this? When Noah was like, okay. So he begins to own a hundred year carpenter job to build a boat because his faith, he said, I believe there's a water coming. And I'm telling everybody he warned everybody that came up there.

They thought he was an idiot. No one believed in the water, but no one. Peter alludes to that. And he got. Oh, yeah, the first Peter three, I was thinking. Let me just read that. I think it's an interesting take. Yeah, I mean, the way, here we are first, Peter,

how long after the art was this written? Oh, it would have been 3,500 years? 34,000, at least 400. 100 years later, you know, Peter writes that for Christ died for sins once for all, because it always goes back to what I said, which is why they came up with the cross, which is I'm guarantee is where they got this idea. us relating to God that's going to come back to Jesus.

And then it says he was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago in the days of Noah, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. I'm not really sure what that means about Jesus going back and all. that but then all of a sudden he brings up Noah and the ark and it says in it the ark only a few people eight and all were saved through water which I guess the idea of the water pushed the ark up above yeah above the I mean you needed that boat and then it says we're

safe through water and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also it's not the removal of dirt from the body, you know, like taking a back, like you're washing the spiritual off, but it's the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven is at God's right hand with angels, authorities, and powers, and submission to them. I mean, I think this is one of the most, for a lot of people, one of the most confusing passages, because you have this analogy between Noah and the Ark and then baptism. So, one of the most, for a lot of people, one of the most confusing passages. So, one of the most confusing passages. So, One thing I know that stands out here, the actual baptism that we participate is involved in water.

Because a lot of people are you not baptized in water. But the symbol was water. Most people say baptism is the symbol. But he's saying water symbolizes baptism. That is correct. And it's not that the water is saving you. He goes on to say that. Jesus is what saves you.

That's obvious. Yep. So I think it's, it's, I think it really makes you grasp the power number one of Jesus, which is number one is death, brown, resurrection. But then there's a way to symbolize that Noah faith, despite everybody saying, what are you doing? Are you crazy? The entire world was saying no. Yeah. And he was saying, yes, and he was right. Yeah. And I think also it's, it's you, it's not you performing some work yourself. This was God's plan. That's why when people come to me and sometimes they say,

well, you're saved through grace. I'm like, yes, Ephesians too. It's clear. God's grace on a cross is what saves you. But he also chose a way for you to trust and surrender to him, which I think when you take baptism for what it is, you're actually not doing anything but surrendering. That's right.

You know, it's a humbling thing to allow someone to dunk you in the water. And you realize that it's not really about the water. It's about that conscience of, yeah, I'm going to give my life to Jesus because that's what's saying. Which you can see why it parallels so well with Noah. He's basically zero and in on when. The who is Jesus. The how is through your faith like Noah. And you're told Jesus is the one who said,

I have all the authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go make disciples and you baptize them. Well, there's the water. Well, you got orders from headquarters. So to us, in a lot of ways, the ark. Yeah. Jesus is our ark. That's right.

We believe, you said, do what? He said, go make disciples and baptize them. We got all these baptism verses. Well, without the ark, without the plan, you drown. The only way you're going to escape this thing, the water. If you believe it's coming, do you believe it's coming? Everybody said, no. I mean, it hadn't rained yet, and they see this guy built on a boat out on dry ground,

and they say, what are you doing? He said, there's a big water coming. And they said, here, there's going to be water here. And they said, Peter, I mean, Noah said, oh, yeah, it's coming. no one believed it but Noah well the good news is because of his faith in what God said I'm going to flood the earth with H2O the springs the rain the oceans are springs from I'm going to flood the whole thing you believe it Noah he said I believe there's a coming water and so what now he said you're going to need a boat start building it's right and that's how he was

saved and look by his faith he condemned the world look the water their unbelief in it killed them is right it's just like us we hear what do you want me to do he said repent and be baptized all of you in the name of jesus well some guy told me one time he said you think that all these baptism verses are alluding to water unless you're born again of water and the spirit john the baptist is taken him into the Jordan River, a stream of H-2-0. Well, I went through all these texts. He was saying spiritual water. That's just an analogy.

It's really not, he's not talking about water. Well, when I got to this verse, First Peter, I said, what kind of water drowned everyone but Noah and his family? What kind of water was that? Was that spiritual water or was that rain water? H-2-0. He said, that was H-2-0. I said, we finally identified water.

So I read him this text, and he said, looked at the ground and he said he was a preacher he said i've never seen that before until right now and i said why don't you just do it go to the water let someone baptize you go baptize them just like jesus said you got all these texts they have to mean something jesus himself said where did water baptism come from where did john's baptism come from he asked a group that wouldn't let john baptize him. They were just standing there saying, nah, we don't fool with that. We're on the law of Moses here. We don't have to do this

by faith and that you're going to be to save the world. This is pre-death burial and resurrection. He said, where did it come from? Well, it's the question of the ages. Well, they said if we save men, no, they said if we... Where's that verse?

It's about like Mark 11. When he asked him, where did what a baptism come from? because they had asked him, how do you have the authority, who gave you the authority to perform these miracles? And they wouldn't believe that he had just fried a fig tree. He looked like he sprayed it around up. They said, who gave you this authority?

He said, let me ask you something. John's baptism. And Luke 7 says they rejected God's purpose for themselves, for they had not been baptized by John. So here's a group saying, we don't need this baptism thing. being pushed down in the water. We ain't buying it. So by what authority are doing these things, they ask.

This is Mark 11 about verse 28. I will ask you one question. Answer me, and then I'll tell you about that. And then I'll, I will tell you by what authority I'm doing these things. If you'll tell me, answer one question, John's baptism, was it from heaven or from men? Well, that's the text of the ages. tell me they discussed it among themselves and said if we say from heaven if water baptism came from

heaven he's going to ask Jesus then why didn't you believe him how come you out and let him baptize you if it's from heaven they said well we can't say that because he's got us if we say from men men dreamed up water baptism that's like right now in modern day planet earth we're in America someone says do you all baptize people you say we'd baptized people. Jesus said baptize them. We never heard of baptism that Jesus showed up. When he showed up, we noticed

the guy paving the way for him started baptizing people. Well, a lot of them rejected it and said, no. To those people, Jesus said, well, where did it come from? From heaven or men? They said, we can't say heaven, because he's going to say, why didn't you let him baptize you? So if we say from men,

they feared the people for everyone hell that John was a prophet. So if we say baptism came from men water baptism then all the guys that john's been baptizing they're going to say are you all crazy the man's from god he's telling you what to do put your faith in what jesus is going to do repent it was a baptism of repentance repent repent but they wouldn't do it so they answered jesus after they talked it over we don't know we don't know where water baptism came from have no idea now what do you say he said you tell you something you know what he said you know what he said

neither will I tell you about what authority I'm doing these things. If you can't believe that I perform a miracle and I burn a fry a fig tree, and if you say whoever did that, we need to listen to him. We need to follow him. Which is the point to me when people argue about baptism, because I think it comes from, it came from some hypothetical situation. All this argument came from a hypothetical situation, in my opinion. people say well what happens if somebody doesn't get baptized but they have faith and they have faith and

I never even I'm like what why are we trying to build some kind of philosophy and God makes that call well yeah off of some some hypothetical it's like us humans are down here you know setting aside the awesome greatness of God's plan and you know for some hypothetical situation that we want to make sense of. And my point is, when people understand Jesus, oh, they run to the water. They do. You can reenact Jesus' death, bell, and resurrection in water.

Oh, they're running. You couldn't keep them out of there. It's a beautiful thing. Oh, and so I always say people don't understand baptism, in my opinion. They don't understand Jesus. You say, well, what do you do? You don't give them a bunch of baptism verses because Jesus is what saves. Jesus is what motivates.

Jesus is the reason. So they see that, just like the analogy that Peter used in 1st Peter 3. He was going back to knowing the ark, and then he showed how this pledge saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The water symbolizes baptism back in his day. Well, if I read that, I'm running. I'm running to some water. May 10. By the way, this was one illustration that Peter used in 1st Peter 3.

Paul used another one in 1st, Corinthians 10, where he talked about the cloud being over the Israelites as the Red Sea is on both sides. And he used baptism in that picture because they were under the water when they were coming out of there. The Hebrew writer talked about the cleansing water going into the temple.

So you see these little, all the New Testament writers look back and said, look, these are all symbols. God's known he was going to, make this part of it the whole time. The Israelites didn't know because they weren't baptized. But like you said, John comes along when Jesus comes and it's like, now there's a chance. This is what the covenant.

This is what Judaism. This is what the Old Testament. It was always about this. I think baptism is camouflaged too and victory. You think if you're in a war, the last thing you would think to win the war would be to surrender. When somebody weighs a white flag, you're like, well, he lost. But when you're saying about what Jesus did, he basically waved the white flag on the cross.

That was his way to victory over the evil one and triumph over sin by actually doing the opposite of what you think, which is surrendering. That's right. Which in contrast gave us the victory. I think baptism is the same thing. So when people use that arguing about what are you saying? That's some kind of work that you physically do. I think it's the same camouflaged as the cross of Jesus. You're obtaining victory through actually no legal action of yourselves.

You're giving it all completely up because you're coming in contact with the ultimate victory, which is the blood of Jesus in that resurrection. Yeah, that's perfect. I think one of the greatest examples I see in the Old Testament, and it wasn't even about baptism. Naiman was commander of the army of the king of Aram, second king's five. Here's a great metaphor.

He was a great man in the side of his master and highly regarded because through him the Lord had given victory to Aram. He was a valiant soldier. Old Damon had one problem, but he had leprosy. Now, Banzah from Aram had gone out and had taken a young girl captive from Israel. She served Naiman's wife. she said to her mistress, If only my master would see the prophet who's in Samaria,

he would cure him of his leprosy. Oh, Naaman needs to go to that prophet over there, and he'll cure him. Well, Naiman went to his master and told him what the girl from Israel would say. By all means, go, the king of Aram replied. I'll send a letter to the king of Israel, so Naiman left, taken with him some gold, silver. With this letter, I'm sending my servant, Naiman, to you,

so that you may cure him of his leprosy. care of this thing for me? Well, as soon as the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his robes and said, am I God? Can I kill and bring back to life? Why does this fellow send someone to me to be cured of his leprosy? See how he's trying to pick a quarrel with me? When he lies up, the man of God heard that the king of Israel had torn his robes, he sent him this message. Why have you torn your robes? Have the man, Naiman, come to me, and he'll know that there's a prophet in Israel. So, Neiman went with his horses and chariots, and he stopped at the door of Elijah's house. The girl, the slave girl, had said, look, you need to get in cuts with this, Elijah.

He'll take care of it and he'll cure you of his leprosy. The king of Israel, no world. He sent him a letter. He said, I can't do this. Well, here comes Neyman with his little troop. He pulls out in front of Elijah's house. Elijah sent a messenger to him. Elijah's in the house.

He said, who's out there? He said, but some guy got leprosy and he's come to you to cure him. What are you going to do? Elijah said, go out there and tell him to go wash yourself seven times in the Jordan and your flesh will be restored and you'll be cleansed. Tell him to go down to Jordan dip seven times. I didn't say one time. I didn't say three times.

You're at him. I said, I'm just saying. He should have said, well, you know, one would have done it. Okay. But he said, no, tell him to dip seven. And I mean seven. Well, Neiman went away angry. He said, I went to this prophet who's supposed to be this big healer.

And he sends word to me through a little old servant, said, hey, he said, go down on the river, dip yourself seven times. You'd be good. In the Jordan now, in the Jordan River. Dip seven times. You're good to go. Neiman, he's angry. He's the one where the leprosite.

His hides rotting off of him. I thought that he, Elijah, would surely come out to me and stand and call on the name of the Lord. He won't a big show. Wave his hand over the spot and cure me. He said, I thought, you know, this is going to be a big deal here. That's right. Go to the Jordan River and watch. Are not Abana and Farpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than any of the waters of Israel?

What's just me crossing two rivers to get over there to another? What's the death? He was making them out the water. A river's a river. Yeah. water so what could not be washed in them and be cleansed so he turned and went away in a rage he's eaten up with leprosy and the man of god said go down the jordan river dipped seven times you'll be all right he said go down to the jordan river what name and servants came to him and i said listen

my father if the prophet had told you to do some great thing would you not have done it how much more then when he tells you, wash and be cleansed. He's made this thing easy for you. We know which river to go to. We know how many times you need to get dipped in the thing. Dip yourself seven times. Why don't we just do it? Well, so he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan.

He finally said, all right, that's what he said. I'll do it. White flag. He dipped seven times as the man of God had told him. and his flesh was restored and became clean like that of a young boy. Here's the point. It wasn't the water. That's right.

But he had to go to the right river, and it was H-2-0 flowing down it. You say, but that's not what cleansed the leprosy. God cleansed him. That's what baptism is like. As ridiculous as it was. As ridiculous as it was. No one in the art, everybody thought that was ridiculous. It's not baptismal regeneration.

There's power. in H-2-O, it's your, it's an act of faith. You say what God said. It's bigger than baptism. Our whole life seems ridiculous to the world. Every time you think, you know, people are like, this is so silly that you're following Jesus and believing all this hocus pocus. And somehow you're going to die to sin and be buried the old you and a pool of water?

Did you notice that the servants, servant mindset, serve other people, they had no problem believe him. Yeah. He just said it. Go do it. The prideful guy who had the wealth and the power and the, he was the one, it was like, who, well, who are you to, his whole response was just what you're describing.

Every time. So the idea is submit. You said it, which is the perfect segue to end our podcast. Every, every time I see a big rain or a rainbow, I think, oh, yeah, I'm on the winning team. It's real simple. Noah, there's a big water coming. Do you believe I'm telling you, the,

truth, there's a big water coming. You're going to need a boat. Do you believe this? Noah said, big water coming. What I need to do, build a boat. He said, okay, his faith in the coming water saved him because he's the only one he and his family that had a boat. So we started the podcast with Phil raising the white flag to the beavers.

You win after 40 years. We end the podcast by saying, We raised the white flag and surrender to Christ. That's right. That's what saves us. Perfect way to end our podcast today. Next time we'll talk about sort of what happens after that. Because obviously, everybody dies except for eight people.

So we kind of got to reboot the whole system. We take them to the water, Al, just like Neiman went to the water. All the time. And next week we get the birthplace of hunting. That's exactly right. This is not. You do not want to miss it. It's going to be really good.

So we'll see you next time on Unashamed podcast. Be sure and tell your friends about it. iTunes, YouTube, Blaze TV. You can find it in all these different places. And I know I'm getting a lot of feedback from folks. A good friend of mine, Sexton from West Virginia, sent me this hat. So that's for you.

And I get a lot of great comments for everybody about the podcast. So thanks for watching. Thanks for listening and tell other people about it. My final line to Neil Cavuto, when we were talking about these matters, about all the words that ended in ism, I told him, I said, Neil, I believe in two words that come from, that have ISM behind them. Baptism and capitalism.

I said, those two, I embrace. God gave us one and our government gave us the other one. I said, I believe in both of them. There you go. Perfect. All the rest of them. No, sir. Perfect philosophy.