Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 102 | Phil Decodes Rioters' Graffiti, Miss Kay Takes a Fall & Cancel Culture Comes for Seinfeld

Episode Date: June 14, 2020

Phil says you can tell a lot about who the vandals and rioters are by their graffiti. Things almost get ugly when Jase gets his temperature taken by surprise. Miss Kay calls Phil to carefully break the news about her bathroom accident that led to 15 stitches. The guys wonder where cancel culture will end. And they answer an audience question about the spiritual pecking order of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

That's a whole different can of water. I'm just telling you my mind. I take on it. That's exactly what I would do. Yeah. Let her stay there. Well, I want to hear about this fall because this is the first I've heard of it. You can just cut the first.

Oh, it's on your sunglasses at that. That's why it's not fitting on your. That's what it is. Yeah, it works better now. Yeah. Bam. Never gets over watching you deal with technology. I am

Unashamed What about you? So I mean Missy My daughter I guess all Jep's crew Because they were over here And then K

And who else? And my two oldest granddaughters They're two olders They all went to Austin See Jep Because well They were going to camp And then one

counselor had the coronavirus so they camp ended before it ever started yeah the day they found out the day before camp was going to start the night one of the counselors had the coronavirus which i'm glad they tested well that was smart well look they tested uh yeah on the night before you know what they should have done it just said well you you you're you're out get we get somebody to fill or spot and just proceed yeah i mean look they just got in the street about a million of them and they were doing worse and spitting each other. I'm with it. It's hard to go with this stuff now.

You just don't do real well in a politically correct environment. I'm just saying. I'm agreeing with you. If running together in packs and hollering and spewing everything, fielth coming out of your mouth from every direction, all the people wrestling, fighting, jumping,

I said if that doesn't spike, oh, it's not, it's not a distance. I actually think it did spike it. It has. But look, the night before, Miss and I, they invited us out there to rally the troops, the counselors. So we spoke.

But I guess the more I thought about it, because then when I heard one of them had the coronavirus, I thought, what did I do? You know, was I interacting. Number one, I was outside because we did it at the campfire. That's smart. And then you know. They maybe should have had to wear like a shirt with a C on it or something. Well, here's what's funny. You know, you're talking about how people are, you know, over health concerns or just crazy.

Well, I walked in and there was a young girl, and she was like, you know, she was pointing at me with some kind of instrument. And I was, I didn't know her. So I'm, she said, so you're dodging. Can you hold still? I said, who are you? She said, I need to take your temperature. I said, well, that would have been a, the thing.

to say before you started, yeah, lead with that. Because it was just a college. She was just going to take her temperature. She just started pointing, well, you know, the fighter in me. Somebody do that to me accidentally, I'd be reaching from a right hand. I couldn't figure it out. So look, here's what. I'm saying now camp shooting over temperature.

She's like, well, this can't be right. And I said. Because this thing's got a handle on it, kind of a barrel-looking thing on it. Yeah. Yeah, a little. And she was like putting it toward my hand. And today's society. And she said, well, this can't be right.

And it was like 97.1. And I was like, no, that's right. I said, I'm just at a lower. Tase just runs a little cooler than ever. That's what I said. I've cooled down through the years. No, I've always been a bit cool. I said, you hadn't noticed that about my personality?

And she was like, well, I don't know you. I said, well, you were acting like you named me when you were flashing this weapon. Well, the epidemiologist or whatever you call them, the guy we converted from Montana, Eric Burrs, he said the maximum perfect temperature. He said, the temperature you want that takes care of 95% of all microbes. He said, you know what it is? The temperature? 98.6. He said, 98.6.

He said, that's the optimum temperature. Well, that's what we are. That's why when you get a serious microbe, according to him, I'm not a doctor. I don't play one on TV and nothing. That's why when your body has a fever, the reason it's raising your temperature is because it's trying to kill that virus. A lot of the guys have malaria, they gave them something else, and their temperature went up, and that's the way they were treating it. So where did that happen in this seaweed originator? What department is a great question.

The body temperature. Salt water decided, I don't know what department in it, but some department of saltwater said, you know, to keep these human beings from being. That's settled at 98.6. You know, infective of all these microbes. We need to do. What do you think of the temperature? Well, saltwater said to some more saltwater, let's get them at a 98.6, which is the optimum

temperature. I would imagine, and again, I'm no doctor either, that if you ran higher, regularly you dehydrate your body could you know it's got to be the it's just like the universe the optimum balances and let's create them saw what are said that where they're all will become sinners and they'll all together get on other centers and they're looking for perfect justice they're fallible they're sinful they know it and but they demand that of everyone else around them none of them none of them are infallible but they're they're well that was they'll chew you out if you if you're if you're if you're been proud of that was the woke that was the university in salt water that was the university of salt water they came

yeah it's weird i saw yesterday there's like 200 companies that claim you know they have the cure or you know they're in the process they're 200 so they're just like competing for it now y'all keep saying i'm not a doctor the winner the winner chiching oh you knew that that's if you had that stock if you knew that man in that stock market what you're in you need to look down there and say which one has pulled it off it's too many of them How would you figure out? They made it that way. Plus, you know, somebody told me that America's the only place that lets drug companies advertise. Did you know that?

And the rest of the world? They don't allow them to, yeah, I thought that was interesting. That's where most of our ad money comes from. You know, they're so, have you watched one lately? They're like the most ridiculous. Have I watched one lately every 30 seconds? Well, they're going to news. news for three minutes and then you've got five minutes of take this and I mean no fat's gone take this

your misery's gone take this you can jump higher go further but take this and you got stamina of a bull I mean it's just one after the other but then when you get to the end it says it may cause you know every bodily origin to explode without notice oh you you may die that part goes real fast though It's like, bum-b-b-da-b-b-d-d-d-d-d-a. Of course, I'm 74, and I'm looking at Bumba there, pumping some kind of picking up tree logs and saying, this right here will make you where you are a bull. Well, they got, remember the big heart? He's got his. He said, oh, he's, oh, you remember the time, look, you and my wife are real big Seinfeld fans, but you brought that, and y'all kept saying. I think, to your point, I think that's why they don't let them advertise, because.

Oh, well, maybe so. That was, yeah. Because all the lawsuits and all. But I remember we went to Shreveport one time. Yeah. And so I never was a, I mean, I watched Seinfeld because my wife loved him. Missy and I are Seinfeld fishing out of it. And I thought it was funny.

But when we went, it was one of the few moments where my expectations were low. Because number one, I thought he was going to be dirty. And he wasn't. No. And number two, I just thought, you know, I've seen everything he's got on TV. This is not going to be funny. Oh, we, it's, I laugh so hard, but one thing, one thing he said, and I don't know if you remember this, he's like, back then I think it was like the boom of all these, uh, Viagra and all those types of commercials, you know, and he's like, you know, I mean, I'm not a doctor, but, and he was referring to this commercial, you know, these, we've met enough production people to figure out how they come up with these crazy ideas. But, you know, they don't really say any. about that. They just, they have a man and a woman up on a mountain in two separate bathtubs,

you know, and it's like, has the commercial, it's like, you know, live again or whatever. And he's like, Seinfeld said, you know, I'm not a doctor, but maybe his problem had something to do with getting those two tubs up that mountain. He said, you can, you haul two tubs up a mountain. You're going to have a myriad of health issues. I would just finish your little discussion up with the advertising of pharmaceuticals by saying simply at 74. You finally get to an age where you say, I don't care. I don't care. Forget it.

Look, years later, I heard Larry the cable guy doing the same bit. He's like, I got an idea. Why don't y'all both get in the same bathtub? So Perky is another. The guy that helps with our worship is another Seinfeld Fisianado. He listened to the podcast. So the other day when I was showing my mask on here, I said, I choose my mask by my mood. And so Perky, while that's going on, when he's listening to it, he sends me a picture of Costanza and Jerry.

And it's an episode. Here's what's weird. It was episode 99 of Seinfeld, and it was episode 99 when I brought up the mask. What are the eyes? That's weird. And it was about a mask? It was about, no, it was George saying he came in with this weird looking outfit on and Jerry asked him about it.

And he said, well, I choose my outfits by my mood every morning. And so Seinfeld says, what is this? He said, morning missed. It was a HR. And I was, I mean, he said, I just couldn't believe you didn't do that. I said, perky, I hadn't watched Seinfeld in a while. I didn't quite have it that down. But that's how much he knew the line from the mass, which is really amazing.

Yeah, it was a, it did have a few funny moments that really kind of defined our culture. I think the funniest moment of science. Phil ever was when somebody told Costanza to if he took his shirt off when he went to the bathroom, you know, it was like freeing in some way. Right. And he was at a party. And so he tried it. But then he forgot when he walked out because it was such a, you know, a great, I guess,

BM. When he walked out, he forgot to put his shirt back on. So he walks out into the party and everybody's looking at it. He goes to the bathroom. You don't remember that? Oh, yeah. And he come out with that. Because he was looking at the thing.

So, Dad and I, actually, Dad, you and I discovered Seinfeld early in his career, because you and I used to watch Carson and Letterman. Remember, I mean, he made it the first, one of the first jokes I remember was the Bob Hughes joke. Bob Hughes was the fattest man in the Guinness Book of World Records. He went like 1,400 pounds. And he lost 100 or something. He had lost. So, so Seinfeld's joke, which, by the way, so much of Seinfeld's jokes now, you can't even do them anymore.

It would be politically. Yeah, because they're pretty good. So he said, they're like, oh, Bob, you lost 200 pounds. He said, man, so what are you now, 1,200 pounds? He was like, you know, so he did this whole bit of it. He said, hey, here's an idea, Bob. Have a salad. You know, and he goes through this whole bit about it.

But, you know, now this, in fact, I read an article that Seinfeld is one of the shows that these, that now the millennial class is after because of, you know, stuff that they had in there, the soup Nazi and the cigar store. Indian episode. I mean, all these, you know, culturally inappropriate, you know, deals. But it's just it's so sad because I'm not sure where this is going to end. I mean, they just took gone with the wind off of the HBO streaming deals, which was ironic because the first African American Academy Award winner was the was Mamie and gone with the wind, which was a great accomplishment for African American. And they said, no, got to pull it. Because you just, you get to where you got to, you can't go back and erase everything. I've just watched it. And you can learn a lot because they send messages.

They have a message written on every place they go. They leave their message. They got guys with spray cans of paint, and they're putting their message up there. It's my studied conclusion that when the highlight of your graffiti is the word F-U-C-K. when that is on all of your graffiti, I look at that and I say, I'm not with them.

Your worldview is not very good, is it? That word appeared. I just watched all the riots and all this. And that word kept coming up. And I'm thinking to myself, if that's about as far up the graffiti line as you can go and you end with that. It's not a great message.

Well, it's just because in our culture, that's like the worst. I would not participate in that at all. That shows that you're, you know, angry and I mean you know I mean it's it's telling you they're telling you a story that's who they are that's a good point so let's take a break so dad I want you to tell about so mom is in Austin which is where we were going with that we got yeah took a side trip to Seinfeld so tell it tell about the cause you call or still I consider it to be younger bucks I wouldn't say young bucks in the Lord we're not young muskers on y'all's faces are getting gray too but I always

remember this alert you before it happens. Ms. Kay calls me, if a woman ever calls you up and you say, yeah. And you saw it was her number. Yep. And she says, do you miss me yet? She's down at visiting with my youngest son. She's been gone about three days.

Three days. She's on a trip. And my wife's with her. You still love me? I said, yep. She said, you know, 1st Corinthians 13. I thought, she's going to.

scriptures says love is patient love is kind it does not envy it does not boast it's not proud i thought well she's got a bible lesson she's fixing the gifts of some women or something and she's running back at that moment i was i'd be thinking she's done something wrong yeah i never they never crossed my mind but i'm listening to her the text and i'm thinking well she's getting ready love is not rude it's not self-seeking it's not easily angered it keeps no record of wrongs And love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. Love always protects it, always trust. She's stressing those things.

And she's laying it on me there. And I'm like, yeah, that's a great text. She said, here's what happened. Then I said, okay, here comes the story. She leads with the text. She said, I don't know how it happened. I think it was from the shampoo that I'd used. and when I wrenched it off, it went down and it was on my feet,

and it was real slippery, the shampoo on the bottom of my feet. And I'm like, what does she fix to say? Yeah. She said, so when I stepped out of the shower, she ends up in a heap with the shower curtain wrapped around her. She fell. The hoax that came, yeah, she falls, just co-woon falls. and she tears the hooks that hold this.

Well, she probably grabbed the curtain. She probably grabbed them. And then somehow another, when she fell, those hooks caught her on her ankle and gave her about 15 stitches worth. She's telling me this. And I'm thinking, Ms. Kay, I've been saying you are a one woman wrecking crew. And she said, remember now those verses I just heard. I said, well, I'll tell you right up front.

I said, I'm not mad. I said, I'm just saying, you have to learn to be careful. Evidently, you just, she's been bumping off. Well, you need to put in your memory bank. If she caught, next time she calls you and says, do you still love me? You just need to say right there, what happened? Yeah, I'm just, I would just move on. So, y'all, she's got, I talked to her as well, Dad, so she's got, she bruised two ribs,

which thankfully she didn't break them. They never told me. And then I know, I guess she did figures why I called Jay's, but she called me last night. It's funny. So here's what she told me. She told me the story. Well, I mean, my wife's with her, you would have seen.

Well, right. She might call. But she did call Willie, she told me. She said, but Willie didn't say anything negative to me. Well, what? Why was she panicking about somebody said? I mean, you fell. I know.

I couldn't figure. The number one, look, the number one ailment for people over 70 falls. You know, Missy's grandma, who's 92. She felt like in a bank or something. Well, she's had two major falls. I'm not to the falling stage yet, but Ms. T. You're going to get there.

You'll be there. Yeah, probably so. Because I think you live your whole life being independent and doing things. Then all of a sudden you don't realize. At some point. You know, I need a railing here. You know, I'm going to scale this bank like I used to. No, you're not.

And you just fall over. That's right. Well, so she said, she said, well, Jep came. I mean, Jep was trying to help me. But she said, you know, he was just, he was like, why did you do? You've got to be more careful. You know, he kind of was doing the old blame assessment. And so she was like, I was, he was about to hurt my feelings.

And finally I just said, yeah. So she ended up in a hospital room and the doctor took care of and then sold her up. And so hopefully she'll stay on a few. Well, dad, dad was praying the other day. Jay told me this. They were praying for lunch. And dad said, I guess mom was there. and dad was praying.

He said, Father, I pray for Ms. Kay, and he said, dad raised his hands and said, and her various ailments. Yeah. I mean, it was like a bra because, you know, there's so much going on with mom. She just had, like, life-saving surgery two weeks ago. So it is pretty amazing. So anyway, keep mom in prayer. I told her, I'd stay with her. I said, look, you're getting older.

I said, if you go to bouncing around too much, I just remember, I'll be, I'm not leaving and I'm putting you in a home somewhere. I said, you'll stay here. You've mottled a lot, Dad. No doubt about it. And you take good care of her. So just keep Ms. Kay in your prayers. Well, she forgave me of a lot. The least I can do is take care of her in her older age.

That's exactly right. So I mentioned on the last podcast that we now have Jesus politics. And so we're trying to get people to go and get your advanced copies. This is a positive look, Phil. This is cool. You like that. You like whoever did. Yeah, you got the American flag.

I don't remember. You're looking pleasant here. I don't remember that. As pleasant as dad could love this. I don't remember when that was taken or when we were going to know. Probably last year. I mean, I was kind of joking, but not really. This is pleasant, Phil, because I know you will.

So basically, if you go to Jesuspoliticsbook.com, you can get an early copy of your book. I haven't read it. It's going to release in August. I wrote this. And you get a signed copy, first 2000. I wrote this book because I just noticed, and this holds true. Where the Jesus rate is high, the sin rate is always low. Where the Jesus rate is low, the sin rate is high.

Yeah. That's what that's where it's a constant. Yeah. You take Jesus out of the equation, and I mean get ready because there's a free-for-all coming. That's a good point. Every time. Which of a one of our listeners asked us about that because I think one podcast you said the crime rate, but I like the sin rate better because they were like, wait a minute, are you saying that there's no one spiritual in areas of crime rate? Well, we're not saying that.

We know there's Christians, unfortunately, that are trapped in some of these areas. But it's not about crime. It's about sin. We're all sinners. So, Nea, I hope that helps you with the question. Yeah, I read that too. But they were being a little more like, how dare you, you know. say that.

I don't think they meant it that way. They were just like they wanted clarification because, and again, it's because of everything's been going on. I mean, it made it sound like it was just about crime. It's not just about crime. It's about sin is what the whole book is. But what I'm saying is it's also, he's not saying that the Christians have no sin. Right.

You know, if you take Jesus out of the equation. I mean, we just have forgiven sin. And there's not as many. Because we're living for Christ. Because you're actually being led by the spirit. And the point. And really the point of the book, that is that as kingdom livers, people that live for the kingdom of God, that's our mindset. And we're also U.S. citizens, but we're kingdom first.

That puts you way upstream from politics. And so we're talking about heart change and life change before you get down. And then there's the sort of the scrum that we're going through now. When you try to solve it with politics, that's what's going to have. The point of the book is we're moving upstream for that. Do you have 1 Peter 4, 1 in there? I'm just wondering. Is that ever a reference in a book?

Probably. I don't know, but it probably is. The lawbreakers are saying, well, it's the law enforcers. It's their problem. Other words, the law breakers are fallible and law enforcement is fallible. Yeah. So you're not going to get perfect justice. No, that's a good point.

That's a great point. Everybody's a center. So there are only one who is perfect. God is just. Now, he's your perfect model. but if you don't get your justice from here, understanding the lawbreakers and the law enforcers, to certain degrees, you say they're all fallible. So we can't expect our fellow man to be infallible.

Therefore, you better get ready for things like love them, forgive them 70 times seven, because once you go down the road, unless you treat me 100% flawlessly per, perfect. I'm going to rebel and burn the town down. Well, you're going to have a lot of burn towns down because no one is perfect. So we rely on the text, God made him who had no sin. Here's an infallible being to be sin for us so that we might become the righteousness of God. So we're viewed Christian people as being justified, which is justice being meted out. Right. But it came through Jesus and without faith in him, you're just one more lawbreak.

We're all lawbreakers. Sure. But the forgiveness is there. Since he forgave us, we should forgive our neighbor. That's right. So it's a hard lesson for America to learn, for the world to learn. It's been going on ever since we've been here, Al. It has been.

Let's take a break and then just read us that text. You were talking about a minute ago. So we've got a, so I don't know, it's been a couple of podcasts to go. We were doing some questions and we were, dad was trying to get, he was worried about poor Carol. It's not getting to her question. So we're finally getting there, Dad. You were going to try to squeeze it in a minute, but this is a pretty big question for us to talk about. Basically, I'll read you the gist of what she says and then we'll talk about it.

So she said, I get that Jesus is Emmanuel, aka God with us. my confusion is in the Bible when it says that Jesus sits on the right hand of God or it says God gave him all authority. So she's like, she's trying to figure that out. How is he, how is he God with us? But at the same time, there seems to be another element at work here. He said, and how does Jesus pray to God? So is he the son?

Is he sitting that to himself? You know, what's the story? She said, then she says, and she kind of steers toward it, is it like what I was thinking Jesus is the very word of God that was with God in the beginning. God sent that part of himself down here. I'm just not clear. Can you make it clear? So basically, how is God one, you know, and yet how is God three?

She's asking, I would just simply tell her, what's her name? Carol. I said, Carol. Carol. Carol. Carol. Carol. Carol, I would just say to you, girl.

you're asking questions that as far as the human mind is concerned, I would simply say the mystery of God, of godliness is great. I don't know exactly how God can be of three essence, his father, son, holy spirit. I just have the scriptures. And it is interesting in the past, this is Hebrews 1, Carol, 1 through 3. God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways. We read all about it. Jesus was not on the earth, but Jesus was there because the apostle Paul said he was with the Israelites when they went across those deserts. He was the light that was above them, the cloud.

But in these last days, ever since Jesus showed up in flesh, he's spoken to us by his son, whom he appointed heir of all things. This is the father appointing Jesus with air of all the things. And through whom he made the universe, so Jesus was there in the beginning, the son, here it is, Carol, is the radiance of God's glory, and he is the exact representation of his being. but when you see him, when they saw him, you could see the God of creation

in a human body walking down a dusty road. Quite the sight. That's right. And he sustains all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the majesty in heaven, which made him much larger than the angels. But if you look at it, exact Jesus, exact representation of his being.

He had to become human, Carol, because you can't kill God. He made the cosmos. He makes up the atomic structure of all things. Where can he die? You can't die unless you become a human. That's why God became flesh so they could get their hands on him, and he would be the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of the world, tempted like us in every way yet was perfect.

But he's in a human body. I think you're on to something there. Because look, God can't die, but he's also love. That's right. So if you combine those two qualities, and those things are unchanging. You know, Hebrew 6 is his unchanging nature. I love that it's people, scholars read that and they're like,

because he names one that he can't lie. It's not that he won't lie, he can't. That's right. which is good. It's impossible for him to love. Because everything that we talked about before this, all this chaos because we're all sinners and all. If you have a God, well, you lift up a man who's capable of sin, this is never going to end well. Plus, we wouldn't have believed it as quickly as we do unless God had become flesh and, in fact, become the model of perfection, which shows it can be done.

So here's, he was tempted in every way. Well, he was God, though, but he couldn't, he couldn't sit. Well, he was tempted in a way. Well, let me ask you this, Phil. He never made a mistake. I thought about that when it says, where did it say he emptied himself? Where's that, Al? He emptied himself.

Philippians too. Yeah, it's, I think it says, but made himself nothing. But some versions say he emptied himself. And I remember, okay. It was a big step down. Yeah, he. Well, he made himself less. I've heard people say, try to use analogies.

I mean, Carol's come up with a question. You know, I've heard people say, well, God's kind of like an egg, you know, you have the shell and the yolk and the white part. It's one egg, you know. There's three parts. And then you read like First Thessalonians five, since we're made in the image of God, it says, or is it 23, may your whole spirit, soul, and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So you have a body, soul, and spirit, although you just look, it's just you. But all that's working together. Right. Because you see somebody have trouble in one of those aspects, the whole thing tends to break down. Carol, this may help you. Remember this. God is invisible. no one's ever seen him.

The Holy Spirit, who is God, has never been seen. The Father and the Spirit, no one's ever seen them. However, you can see the results that they create via human being. Your attitude should be the same. Carol, this is Philippians 2, who being in very nature God did not consider. equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing. Yeah, that's the verse. Which, by the way, taking the very nature of a servant.

And what's this, Carol, being made in human likeness and being found in appearance as a man, he was much more. Because the rank and foul had never pulled off what he pulled off and all the miracles. He humbled himself and became obedient to death, even death on a cross. Therefore, God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus, every need should bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confessed that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Point being, he came, removed man's sins, and gave us immortality. Now, to know every little wrinkle and how that was accomplished, only God knows that.

So let's take a quick break. So I want to make a point out of that. So that word grasped, the Greek word for that means held on to. So it says he did not consider equality with God something to be held on to. That's correct. And he became a person. So you think about it, just that act alone was human. He was a person.

A human, that's right. was a lessening of himself as God because he's limiting. Look, he was everywhere. He was a big step down. He was everywhere at the same time. And now he's limiting himself to proximity of a human body. I mean, for God to do that is quite incredible. But also, if you think about how God worked this,

if you have a chasm in between humans and God, well, how are you going to get back together? Yeah, how are you going to make your word? The biblical word is reconciliation, which a lot of people said do what, but, you know, getting, getting them back together to reconcile. So, Jesus, if he represents God and man, well, now you see like a bridge. He's a, by the way, in all the Gospels, he referred to himself sometimes is the son of God

and sometimes is the son of man. Because he was both. I remember a guy asked me, he said, so a lot of people. Do you believe Jesus is God or man? And I went, yeah. Yeah. And he was like, no, I mean, is he, is he God or is he man? I went, yeah.

Because I was thinking, whatever side your own is the wrong one. It's both. So, Carol, here's the deal. My view of when we get into the questions about what you've asked about, and they're great questions. Great question. And because you're dealing with some serious going on here. My view of it is how in the world could mankind dreamed up a Jesus? Yeah.

I mean, you just think about dream this up. So John the Apostle, here's the way he thought about Jesus. I think this is your favorite passage. Before you read that, can I read John 118? Because I think it is a good setup. Same writer, go for it. He said, because this was in response. what you said earlier. John 118, no one has ever seen God, but God the one and only, who is at the

father's side, which was her question, has made him known. All right. And then you can read that, and I think it makes sense. So here's how shocking, after all the smoke cleared, Jesus came, picked these apostles, John was one of them, stayed on the earth roughly 33 years, and Adios, he's back into heaven where he came from. After he, he, he, cleans the world of their sin if they would believe in him and after he was raised from the dead gives him immortality here's the way john looked at it which is interesting that other words he didn't say he who was from he said that which was from the beginning he's trying to come up with a word to describe the person he had just got through running with for about 15 years

10 years. You know, they weren't there long. Jesus didn't stay long. 33, that's pretty young. Gone. Well, John ran with him and listened to what he had to say. Watched him down across and the resurrection. So John's take on Jesus, Carol, was this.

That which was from the beginning, he's saying, whatever that was, wow, which we've heard, they'd love. listen to him carefully, which we've seen with our eyes, he's visible. God had never been visible until Jesus showed up, which we've looked at, our hands have touched. He's going through all the ways we have, smell, touch, taste, he's going through the whole list because he didn't want you to miss the fact. He was here. This we proclaim concerning the word of life, which is what this is about.

He came to destroy death. By his death, his resurrection, destroy his death for the human race, and that's our greatest fear, death. Well, you don't have to fear it anymore, girl. We have seen and testify to it. we proclaim to you the eternal life which was with the father and has appeared to us and carol your calendar documents his appearing 2000 and 20 years ago is when he appeared we proclaim to you what we have seen and heard so that you also may have fellowship with us and our fellowship is with the father and with his son, Jesus Christ, we write this to you to make your joy complete.

And it goes on about the mediating work of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God. I think an interesting passage is Colossus 2.9 that says, for in Christ, all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form. Excellent, text says. And you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head. over every power and authority, which Phil just made that reference because he raised from the dead. You say, how do you become the big boss? How do you become the ultimate authority?

Well, if they can't capture you and they can't kill you, you're pretty much the boss. So the practical way I've always explained to people from my perspective is that we, human beings, to your point earlier to add about how could we dream this up, we are the ultimate illustration of what God is because we are made in his image. And guess what? We're made up of three parts. Yeah, that's why I read that first. Yeah, we're made up of our bodies, our physical bodies. We're made up of our spirit, which we all have a spirit. And it's all different. Some people are high spirited, low spirit. I mean, you see people's spirits, they're different. Even animals have spirits as well. But animals have, don't have one thing we have.

that's that third component and that's our soul, the spiritual indwelling of who we are that we seek some. You know, if Bobo goes to the end of the road and visits the harem up there of dogs in heat, he doesn't come back and feel bad about it. He's not repenting. He's not sitting on your couch saying. He feels bad because they chew him up to much. Because he gets beat by the other. They were repeatedly.

And he's tired. That's right. But the difference in Bobo and us is he doesn't have a soul. And so that's that third component of human being. So how would you relate that? Do you say, okay, you say Jesus is the body? You say the spirit's the spirit? Yeah.

And the father is the soul? Well, it could be. I mean, I've never like attached it to them. Well, that's pretty good idea. But the point of three and one is that we can't function without all three. It makes us who we are. When you see people that shut down their soullish nature and have nothing spiritual, or sociopaths or sacopas.

I mean, look, look at the results that you see. I mean, most people feel bad about it because we realize that. Well, those references in the Bible, like they've had their consciences seared as with a hot iron. Or, you know, you just, you lose sensitivity, I think, Ephesians for. So that's why when all three of those are in tune with God, with the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit, man, you can pull off some pretty amazing things. Let's take one last break. But think about everything in John we've read.

Jesus kept asking basically a couple questions. I mean, who do you say I am? Just in these confrontations that he's had. He's having. And then he kept representing his father. He's like, I and the father are one. That's where I came from. Of course, everybody's like, well, I know your father.

He's down there. He needs from Galilee, Nazareth. Yeah. What? But, you know, and that's why. Can you imagine his own flesh and blood? And they'd said, no. I mean, he said, well, we talked about that.

He's comparing himself to God. Because they were like, hey, if you want to be a public figure, you know, they were giving them a little PR advice. It is interesting. They're giving them PR advice to the son of God. It is interesting. When you look at the spiritual pecking order is what Carol's asking. When Jesus returns, I'm in front of.

1st, Corinthians 15, 24, the end will come. When he hands over the kingdom, that's us, Carol, to God the Father, after he's destroyed all dominion and authority and power, he must reign until he's put all enemies under his feet, and the last enemy to be destroyed is death. So here comes all, here comes Jesus, and bringing the souls and the spirits of the ones who have fallen asleep in him, heading for the cemeteries. And look, the cemeteries begin to give up. The bodies begin to come out of the cemetery, Carol.

Jesus is doing this. Now, for he has put everything under his feet. When it says that everything has been put under him, it's clear that this does not include God himself, the father, who put everything under Christ. When He, Jesus has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him so that God may be all, be all and in all. There's something about that pecking order, Al, that when Jesus took on flesh, I remember Smith taught us, and it's an interesting point that when he goes back, when he went back into heaven, He went back into heaven as a glorified human being.

He became flesh. That wasn't taken away when he went back. He's there. And that put him somewhat under the Father, although he is God, the Son, God, the Father, Jesus, the Son, and the Spirit. That stepping down was a, he paid a big price. Well, he did. And I think it shows you his, here's some. humility, which makes us relate to him all the more. I mean, you're right. Not only is he one of us,

but he's one of us who gave up a lot to become one of us, and that the nature of the Godhead would change for all eternity, you know, because, I mean, he left here how bodily. I mean, you know, he didn't strip it off in outer space and go back to being everywhere at the same time. And that's without, that's without the booster like they left here other day. He's, you know, he did it without the booster tied to him. He did it. He was Superman. Well, the next place we're going in John 7, you know,

Jesus said, I am, you know where I'm from, which they really didn't. I mean, he was being coy because he says, I'm not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You don't know me. But I know him because I am from him and he sent me. I mean, he was talking about coming from the father. But then later on, like in John 14, he makes statement like this.

And I believe this is why Carol's having a hard time wrapping her head around this. And we all do, by the way. This is a weighty heavy. Hey, he's not from around here. It's another round. Well, right. But he said, you know, anyone who has seen me, this is John 14 in verse 9, has seen the father. Well, just, now we know, we know this.

So that doesn't mean all lot. But if you just think if you had never been affiliated with Jesus or God or the Bible, here's the guy who say, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father. You're like, what? What does that mean? You would have to. That would be like me saying, if you've seen me, then you've seen my dad. They're like, what, do you look like him?

And that's kind of the concept. Yeah, I look like him from a spiritual way. But then he goes on to say, well, then it becomes disturbing because he says, well, don't you believe that I am in the father and the father is in me? So now he's saying they're the same. I don't know if I believe that or not. Yeah, if somebody said that to me, a human, the words I say to you are not just my own. It is the father living in me who's doing his work.

You're like, now you're eye rolling. Oh, you have some, you're possessed by your father. Right this way, sir. Well, because you're immediately thinking this guy's got suck. This is John 14 in verse 2. Because we're going to hit that in John 7. They say he was demon-possessed when he started talking about. Well, these are verses that you don't hear much because they're scary.

You're like, what is he talking about? This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. But then he says, believe me, when I say that I am in the father and the father is in me. I mean, it's just, I'm just getting the point to where I see why people ask these questions because they start reading stuff like that and they're like, wait a minute here. Yeah, how does this? I thought they were one. Yeah.

And then one of them came down and now he wasn't a human. I thought they were eternal. Well, yeah. You know, he was the word. Then John 114 says the word became flesh. Well, I know when that happened. But he was always here. Yeah.

he said before Abraham was, I am. So he did become the flesh. You refer to the date. Throughout the old testament, he hadn't become flesh, but he was there. But he gets an imperishable body. Now here, you want to get into the deep stuff. You got 30 seconds to get the deep stuff. He gets an imperishable body.

And then the angels, after he left without the rocket ship, they said this same Jesus. So he still has that body. This same Jesus will come back. And so now he's forever a bridge to both sides, but he's still God, even though he has an imperishable human body. Think about a person who created the heavens, it's big, and the earth. And he comes down and comes out of a human being with no. sex involved and he's walking around on a planet one of many I might add he's walking around on it yeah he's looking down at the dirt he made looking at a

tree he made you know he always alluded to to the to the trees and then the water as he knew he he walked on land and he walks out there on a lake and he just walked on top of that he invented the phrase, watch this. Hey, I've never read any thing like I've never read about anyone ever

on any book that even comes close to Jesus Christ. I just have it. It's a good way to end the podcast. Thanks, Carol. Great question. So we're so glad you guys were with us today.

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