Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1020 | Uncle Si Comes Clean About a ‘Duck Dynasty’ Special Episode & Jase Wears Missy’s Clothes

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

Jase and Uncle Si tell the truth about what happened while filming a famous “Duck Dynasty” holiday special at the local news station, and Jase unwittingly wears a woman’s scarf into the duck blind, which his hunting buddies were quick to point out. The guys give an overview of the themes found in the book of John, including the oneness of God and the differences between the Jewish and Gentile understanding of Jesus as the Messiah. In this episode: John 1, verses 1-5; John 1, verses 11-12; John 10, verses 30-38; John 17, verses 11 & 23; Hebrews 1, verse 3; Genesis 1, verses 1-3 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. Winter. Zach, winter has set upon Louisiana. It's our first major cold spell. It was funny because there's a guy at church yesterday's from Wisconsin. So I'm like, man, everybody's batting down the hatches, you know. Of course, it was 70 degrees and it was raining.

75. 75 degrees. I hunted yesterday. And raining and just, you know, but you knew it was coming, you know, this big polar vortex. And so mom was supposed to come in and go to church and come to my house for my birthday. We were having a little lunch. Mainly I planted around her coming in. And then I got word that she didn't come in because she was worried about slipping and falling on the ice.

Oh, wow. And I was like, 75 degrees. Are we going to have? What is it now? Well, now it's 35 right now. But he got down to 28 last night. Yeah, I would have thought she had planned on bringing a bag of ice. Well, I said, mom, are you worried about, like, them throwing out ice at the church?

Like, you know, after the morning breakfast or whatever? What, what ice are we going to slip on when it's 75? But she was just looking ahead to potential ice. So y'all were all geared up. You were going to hunt. It was excitement. Everybody's like. 75 degrees.

I had some guests that I took duck hunting on Saturday and then Sunday morning. And then, you know, it just didn't happen. It was 75 degrees. They said it was going to rain. But, you know, we had a limited time. We went before church and just didn't happen. So then the rain really didn't happen until way later. Yeah, it was like pretty rude.

In fact, we had a lot of, it wasn't here, but like up north, in northeast, right in the corner of Louisiana, they had tornadoes. So then last night, I walked outside to get, you know, you get ready, during duck season, you get ready for the next day. And I was like, whoa. And it was like 35 degrees. So it went from 75 to 35. In about six hours.

So. I saw you guys had a tornado warning. or something. Yeah, the local weather people were just, yeah. I was trying to watch. Well, don't bring up weather people out. I went off today, which the blind thought it was kind of funny, but probably shouldn't share this because we may have some meteorologists.

Here's what got me. Here's what got me. So it's 50 degree temperature change in 24 hours, just 25 degrees. Which for duck hunting down here is usually a good thing. Usually a good thing. Clear. Right before I went. went to bed last night.

I kind of had an awkward moment with my wife because I brought this. I thought this was funny. I came out of her closet because I lost. I have that when it gets really cold, I have these. I don't know what they're called. You put it around your neck and it's got Velcro. Gator. You can pull it on your face.

The gator. Well, I got it. I had a gator. I left it somewhere in a blind. I can't find it. Yep. So I'm looking through my hunting closet and I didn't find. anything. So then I was just looking in the main closet. And I thought, huh, I don't

remember buying this. So I thought, what a purchase. So I'll put it on for you looking. I put this thing on. It took me five minutes to figure this out that you actually twist it. Yeah. So it's like a me. Let me take my earphones off. This is pathetic. Podcast man strangled while trying to. So look, you see this? So I came out. So for those of you listening, Jay's put a, it looks like a sable, maybe a mink neck wrap. He's double wrapped it around his neck. So I, it's like a bearded Maryland Monroe.

So I came out of the closet wearing this. And my wife is looking at me. That's an infinity scarf, Jay. You know what she said? Did you know that's an infinity scarf? No, that's not what she said. She said. That's what Maddie just.

She said, is that what it's called? Yeah, because you double twist. I can see why they call it. It's like the infinity sign. That's the problem I have with that. What are they selling you in that moment? They're saying, eternity, jays. If you wear this.

You will live forever. So my wife looks at him and she said, why do you have my scarf on? Well, I did not know what to say in that moment because I could not remember her wearing this. and I it's never cold enough to wear it unless you hunt and so I'd cut the tag off brutally because I thought why did I ever take the tag off this thing oh boy and she said what did you do did you cut the tag off and I was like is that illegal it's like a mattress anyway I said she said you know what you can keep it and I actually it's like a toothbrush once you've used it, it's yours.

I wore that thing this morning, and you know, these guys I'm hunting, I thought we were all in here. And somebody said, are you wearing a woman's scarf? And I said, the fact that you know that, to me is more disturbing than me having it on. Because that's called gaslighting,

by the way. I'll tell you something right now. It was as warm as my neck has ever been, 25 degrees. Because here's what, I've got a theory. Sometimes it doesn't matter, does it? I mean, if it's... Look, these people, they feel like it's all about what you get sued for. Yeah.

If a woman or some kids or whatever get cold and, but they're like, oh, no. So I really think their clothes are warmer for fear of lawsuits. Some old guy, he's not going to law. I think they're clothes are warmer because they're much thinner than us generally. You're pretty thin, but for the rest of us, we got it. I got my own little heat, you know, extras going on. So anyway, there I am in my scarf and, you know, we're hunting.

Well, the last thing I looked at before I went to bed last night was the forecast. Well, I'm paying attention to these actual weather organizations. Because every hour matters when clearing and all that. Somebody told me they're all run by the government. I don't know. So I look, and for today, it said it had a, you know, you. emoji. You know how they,

because I'm looking at it on my phone. I think that's what they're called. I don't know, maybe not. But it was a sun. Just a sun. No, no, no, no, no clouds. And it said below.

Is it, well, that characterized Zach as an emoji, a picture of the sun on the, on his phone? There's one. Okay. Okay. Well, this was, this was on their forecast.

They had a sun. Which means sun. Clear. Clear. clear had, you know, North wind 15 to 30. Perfect. The northwest wind. I said, okay.

So we're going to our best clear day hole in the timber. But I left out one part that it had because I didn't realize it in the moment, but when I got to thinking about it. So I get up this morning, we're all, we're going to the Elmhole. Well, when I cranked the motor up, there's six men. We're headed off on this adventure before a day, like cold. Everybody bundled up, you know. Nobody else had it.

an infinity scarf though but you i actually looked up into the sky because look and we're talking about in the beginning was the word and why that is a thing in john because words matter and even though they only had a picture of a son they're in the business of people trusting what they say so and if you don't know if i was a weatherman put partly cloudy or mostly cloudy because that way you can say well i don't really know and if it was cloudy at any time during the day you would technically be right would you agree correct so i actually looked up into the sky and i didn't see a star and i thought that's weird and then when i thought back to that picture that i saw in my memory before i went back because you know

how the last thing you see sometime, and I got the visual, I remember that son had a smiley face on him. And I think in that moment, that's when I started getting angry. I thought, not only did it have a son emoji. The son that didn't make you smile. No, the son, they had it smiling. But you weren't smiling. Well, not.

And I thought, well, they didn't say partly sunny, partly cloudy. They said clear. with a smiley face. So I said, I think that must be fog. Jay said, that's fog. I looked at the weather forecast. You know how Jay is? He's like taking control.

He said, it's going to be clear. As the sun comes up. I said, okay, all right, good, we're good. I just making sure. Because, I mean, who you trust here? We get up in that blind and the sun wouldn't come up. You know why? Because it was cloudy, not partly cloudy.

So at 10 o'clock, which was my cutoff time to be sitting in this chair, I had to leave by 10 to get here at 11. Guess what happened at 10 o'clock? When I hear the motor coming, which means get all the stuff, we had to park the motor. Clear. It's all the clear life. It finally happened. You know, I'm beginning to think in this moment that the waterfowl, the meteorologist, and the demonic forces of these. are all in cahoots.

And that, I mean, how can you make that up? When I'm leaving, I mean, we only shot four ducks. You know why? Wrong place. Wrong hole. Wrong hole. What's funny is I wasn't there, but I guess I've hunted enough to know. I walked outside to my truck at 845 and it was cloudy.

And I thought, hmm, that's not good. Because it's cold, the wind's blowing, but I thought, that's probably not good for Jason then because it should be clear, not knowing anything you were going through. And then I go get my truck at 10 to come down here because I'd take some food by mom and dads. And the clear line had already hit in town, but it was still 30 minutes from you. And I thought, you know what? This is probably going to be a story on the podcast.

We had the creator's creation. We had the wind, you know, likening to the spirit. But we had the wrong word, Al. We were trusting the wrong. the wrong source. That's what I thought in that moment because I was really getting angry. And I thought, yep, I got a...

You thought John 1-1. That's what you thought. I did think John 1-1. Well, I did a little thing called Accuweather. And you got to get the app. But it's pretty... Pretty accurate? Is the Accu stand for Acute?

I find that hard to believe that it's accurate. Well, I also look at the radar and make my own determination based on what I see coming. Oh, since Zach, he's a... He's the thinker, dude. Well, you know. I'm not sure that's accurate. He doesn't trust any of it now, is that?

That's what happens. I got an idea. He's been hurt. He saw a smiley son that wasn't. Oh, the smile. That's what made me in because I thought, you know what? It's almost like they're just taunting you with the smile. Why the smile?

Yeah. So then that led to, you know, I said a few things I probably shouldn't have. And I said, look, I'm not for, I did not promote violence, kidnapped. or anything like that. I was like, but you know what would be funny? If we all loaded up in a van and we went to whoever's house was in charge of putting that smiley face on that sun

and they come out, we're like, hey, what happened? I mean, it didn't happen now. You did get sun. It just didn't happen in the time frame that you thought it was going to happen. If that's what they say, put partly cloudy.

And I was going to say, we made life decisions based on your information that could not have been any more wrong. Because that sun didn't come out for the first 10 hours of that particular day, from midnight to 10 a.m. It was supposed to be clear. It was zero sun. Now, I get it. It's a big miss.

Before 6 a.m. you wouldn't have seen the sun. But it was cloudy for 10 hours of said day, which is almost half. Well, it's funny because while you were dealing with all that, we were, yesterday I was watching, trying to watch football games, but this severe weather was in our area during the games. And so I'm watching our two local television stations where they're cutting in.

Of course, at least now they'll have a little picture of the game going on while they're in a bigger picture, telling you what's going on the weather. So I'm not saying they're doing anything wrong. They're just, you know, trying to tell you where the tornado might be. But the production value, one thing I appreciate about the weather channel is kind of a compilation of at least

accomplished people on camera yeah there's a woman up here locally you know what missy actually brought this up she said I just listened to a weather alert and the woman doing the weather alert did not know the names of the town was so terrible so she wasn't from here and look she's on camera and she's looking down and reading which i get that she's getting bulletins the the weather things behind her and she kept walking off camera She would just wander off. Well, that's what I'm saying. We're just looking at an empty chair with the thing, and she's talking in the background.

And I just thought, Maddie, where's Maddie? Maddie, you need a weekend job because at least stay on camera. I think we need to hold these people accountable and some. It was so bad. You got to understand that your market is like the minor league market. Oh, it's worse than the minor leagues. It's not even semi-pro. This is before you get into single-A ball, you got, you got, you got,

This poor woman, I said, she's wandered into this job from someplace, but she does not need to be on TV. I mean, just got to say, you got to beware of jobs that anyone can do. Yeah. Because you obviously don't have to be accurate. Well, you did, though. Weren't you, the weatherman on an episode on the Little Duck Show? Was that? I think Phil was.

He was the weather man? Because y'all took over, it was a takeover of the local TV stations. No, I think Si was the weatherman. Phil actually is pretty good at the weather. He keeps up with the... Well, they did a... No, they went to Dad in a remote. Oh, and he gave a ramp because he's been out there a couple hours.

No, look, everybody that has ever watched our duck show, I'm going to say something that you're going to find hard to believe. If somebody can find the archives of that episode, I'm sure it's out there somewhere. That bit of us doing the weather was 100% off the top of everyone's head. Because, yeah, it didn't, it seemed like, I don't know if you were there. I wasn't in that episode, but I watched it, yeah. No, look, we get there and something happened.

The producer didn't show up, whatever. Yeah, I were just winging the whole thing. I was like, hey, how hard is it to do the local weather and news? Turn the camera on. Well, I was kind of kidding. And they turned the camera on. And Willie looked at me, and I looked at him, and I, and whatever happened was 100, And look, so we forgot about Phil.

We had done most of the episode. I'm putting that in quotation mark because all we did was just go off and Sye went over there doing the weather. And then somebody said, well, Phil's outside. He's been outside for a couple of hours. So I was like, well, let's go to Phil. And Phil unprovoked. There's nobody around Phil.

He's just standing out there. He has a microphone. And it looks like he's in the woods because there's woods behind it. He's in the woods. He just went on this rant that made no sense. At all. And I don't know if he got what. He was like Zach, when Zach does ads for this very podcast in the early years,

Zach would go like wrestling color commentator. And I thought, Zach, why are you doing that? He was like, what? But he was like, hey, this is, you know, we've got a new sponsor here. This guy from Parks, It's unknown. He's gonna. Like, Zach, we're doing an ad for chocolate.

Just make it natural. So, there was. Speaking of Zai. All right. Side just come on in. We're going to take a break. Welcome to the podcast. We were just talking about when the time on our little duck show, we did the local news because I was mad this.

morning because the weathered people that it right you can't trust it yeah i agree you cannot trust what they say we've been talking about in the beginning was the word words matter that's why god as the word became flesh he's like because when he says something it's a big deal here's i'll say this since we've been pull your mic up so a little birdie told me that look i will tell you that's how production words you somebody tells you to do stuff no you just don't wander off karen Cameron, come back. I'm going to tell you this. When God says something, when he speaks, things happen. Yeah. They happen. Well, he did the lesson Sunday, and it was about the power. Who's got the power? Who's got the power? Hey, the almighty has got the power. Okay. You got it.

It goes like just like he said. When he speaks, things start happening. It happens. Yeah. That's why it comes down to who you trust. You can't trust whether people. Well, you got to understand. They live in buildings with no wonders. So they don't have a clue of what is going on outside. They're just looking at machines all down. Words matter. Are we sure that's true?

I'm just saying how can it not be true? Because obviously they're not looking at the sky. They're not looking because, hey, it's pouring out, you know, just raining cows, horses, and dogs and cats. And they're saying, oh, it's going to be. clear and funny today? We actually looked up this morning because they were making fun of me because I was wearing a scarf. Then we actually looked up. He was wearing missy scar.

We looked up the weather and it said it was clear. And I was looking. And it's not clear. It's not even partly clear. It was fully cloudy. Fully cloudy. And I say, there you go. So then they were making fun of me.

And then all of a sudden they started scrambling like a bunch of junior high kids that thought they were in trouble. What happened was everybody got cold about 8 o'clock because the wind just howling. There's no sun. It's below freezing. Things are icing up. People out, we heard a kabum, boom, bump, bump. Because when you walk up the ladder, the staircase, well, the water hit the steps. Well, the first time somebody shot a duck said, I'll go get the duck.

Frozen. Bomp, bump, bump, down the ladder. Bam, hit the water. Now they're breaking out fires trying to do all this. So then they started rolling down. For the door, there's a piece of felt that's rolled up. And it's frozen. It was frozen.

They cut the string and kind of roll it down, you know. Actually, I was going to freeze the death, and it was like 29 degrees. They roll it down. Well, what they didn't realize, that there were thousands of spiders and had decided. in that row. This is their home. Oh, it could have been worse. It could have been Purple Dale walls.

Well, they all took off running. I said, they're not poisonous. As far as you know. There's a big one. You know, that kind of stuff. I'm glad I missed this stuff.

Oh, boy. Well, then the fire. Was Zach with you? Because this sounds like a little. No, but I felt like I was hunting with a bunch of Zach. But. So then somebody flicked a spider because once the spiders got warm, they became active. Well, yeah, they were looking for a new home.

Yeah, jackets. Beards. Beards. And somebody had one in their beard and flicked it up. And I mean, it was one of those. Big ones. Giants. Big old wood spiders.

Somebody said, oh, the spiders. I was like, this is embarrassed. I'm sitting down there acting like a man. Wearing your Infiniti's car. No fire. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know where we got off on that. So, Cy, you mentioned my sermon yesterday because I did an overview of Ephesians because we're about to study Ephesians at the church.

So was that the point you liked the most? Well, no, no. Yeah. That was my favorite part of the sermon. Yeah. Okay. Because, you know, when people, back on the words, when people read stuff, sometimes it doesn't sink in and doesn't give you the information you really. You should be listening to.

Which is why God became a man. I don't think we talked about that the word means, or in the Greek language, Logos or Lagos, depending on how you learned it. Right. What is the official pronunciation? I think it's logos, isn't it, Isaac? I think, I've heard it said both ways. It's kind of like people who say Augustine or if you're from Florida, you call him St.

Augustine. Augustine. Augustine. Yeah. We're starting to study the book of Ephesians, which we did on the podcast. And so my job was to give an overview of what the whole book is about, which, of course, it's about Jesus, which was great for where we're going to the book of John because I don't know of a better place to zero in on the I am of who Jesus is, especially in John 1. But in doing that, I was trying to show the different snapshots that Paul did. And I mentioned this in a previous podcast that N.T. Wright called it the London Eye. It was just, just like a perspective of above and you get to look at the whole picture. The song, I'm looking through the window up above. Right, exactly. And you get to see that, which is really powerful.

So that was my whole point in the sermon trying to give that big picture overview of who Christ is. Well, because that's why I got on the kick, okay, and my preaching when I'm out about talking about, hey, look, the Father's a Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a Spirit. but when you come to the sun, he was a man. Yeah, and it's still a man. And still of man. That's right.

Okay. Flesh and blood just like us, but without sin. Fully human, fully human, but he's deity. Right. Okay, he's the creator.

Okay, that's why the thing about, hey, we're limited, but God's not limited. He's beyond limits. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so, yeah. Which is heavy. Yeah.

Which is why when you read the first chapter of John, you're like, whoa. Yeah. I mean, because really John is a simple book. It's basically God loves us. He became a man. His name is Jesus, and whoever believes in him will have eternal life. Would you agree? I agree.

And we can't even define love, okay, really correctly. No, I agree with that. I'm serious. Yeah. Because God loves the human race, good grief. Okay, just, beyond natural. And I quoted the verse yesterday in 1st John 4. You know, we love because Christ first loved us.

He loved us. I was going to mention this, Jayce. You mentioned about John and its uniqueness. And I mentioned before a little bit about the other books, but someone wrote it this way, which I thought was pretty good. I wrote this down. This is Matthew. This is the Messiah, the king.

worship him. We talked about that kind of from a Jewish perspective. Mark, this is the servant who served humanity, follow him. Would you get that theme in his book? Luke, this is the only man among men without sin, emulate him. It's kind of the thrust and definitely seen from the Greek perspective. John, this is God and human flesh believe in him. This book is more about challenging what you believe to be true, and the idea you come to the point where you say, there's really no other way I can live without this being true, because you're always going to fall short other way. But here's the thing most people don't get, okay,

because I've heard them, they say some so much stupid stuff, okay? Kind of like whether men. Well, no, but Jesus was tempted in every way just like we are. Me and Phil had talked about it. Hebrews chapter four. Yeah. Yeah, when I said, we used to talk about it and said, well, how did he pull it off? He was a man and he, I mean, he was human, just like us.

How did he put it off? And for years, we didn't come up with answering any. He said, hey, you're forgetting the main three. Faith, hope, and love, which is what is the greatest love. He loved Jesus Christ, a man, but deity, loved perfectly. That's the only way he could have pulled it off. Okay. And that's what I said about when he, that God loves the human race.

And we don't even, we can't even give a definition, a good definition of the word love. I think the case John's making is twofold. It's that he's man, but it's also that he's God. And not just God, to your point about NT Wright, who's been very helpful for me in reading through the New Testament, trying to look at it through the lens of the, what is the bigger, picture, you know, here that the writers are riding into and can we step back and have

a different vantage point? One of the things that I found interesting about John, one, when it says in the beginning was the word, the word was God. I mean, John's writing this in a culture that really has a different frame of reference than we would have as

first century Judaism. They would have a different reference for that. But if you get back to the Old Testament, you see this kind of dilemma in the Old Testament. I wrote some of these down because I thought they were interesting, and I think John's answering this in John 1. But you know, you have verses like Genesis 18 where it says Yahweh appeared to him by the oaks of memory, and he sat and he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. So you have this picture of Yahweh. It says he lifted up his eyes and looked and behold three of men were standing in front of him. When he saw them, he ran to the

tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth. So you have Yahweh actually appealed. hearing to someone, but then you read like an Exodus 33, it says, you can't see my face, Yahweh speaking, for man shall not see me and live. So there's like this tension in the Old Testament of can God be seen or can God be not seen? Again, in Genesis 19 with Sodom and Gomorrah, it says then Yahweh reigned on Sodom and Gomorrah, sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of heaven. but then Amos 411 it says I overthrew some of you as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and you were as as a brand plucked out of the burning yet you did not return to me declares Yahweh so it's interesting

you read that verse in Amos and that you have this this Yahweh he's speaking of himself in the first person but then he's also speaking of himself in the second person I mean sorry third person and it's like this weird you try to make sense of that when you read the Old Testament and it really really is difficult to understand. So in first century Judaism, they have this thing called the Targum, which was a Targamous, was someone who would take the Hebrew. Then they would interpret it in Aramaic so that the people could understand it. And when they went into the Old Testament, and everywhere that we would read the word like God or Yahweh, they would change that to the word of Yahweh, the same exact word Logos that's used in John 1.

And I can show you tons of examples of this. But I think the point is, is when you read that in the beginning, it was the word, the word was with God, the word was God, and by him, everything was made, without him, nothing was made. What John is declaring here is that this Jesus, who came in the flesh, is the Yahweh from the Old Testament that appeared to all these people. So the son of God was present even in the Old Testament going all the way back to Genesis 1. That's why we ended that last podcast.

We said, go read Genesis 1 and then read John 1, and you're going to see that these overlay. But it's not just Genesis 1 that this overlays with. This overlays throughout the entire Old Testament. Anytime you see that the word of the Yahweh appearing to someone, that's actually the sun. Which to buttress your point, that's why in Ephesians 1, it says, before the creation of the world, you know, he predetermined to predestine us to be like him, to conform in his image. To Saia's point, he did that out of immense love.

And he hadn't even created us yet, to your point is that he's always been there. The love has always been there all throughout eternity. So there's no separation of that. It's not like the Messiah is just going to show up at some point to do these things because he has no nothing in the game here. He's been a part of it from before the creation of the world. Well, talking about what gets me is why I always say, hey, you need to realize Jesus was a man, human. Yeah.

And when you talk about that, and then when the Bible says, okay, he is the exact representation or image of the father. Yeah, Hebrews 1-3. Okay. So that, when you talk about word, then the word became flesh. you've got to connect the dots here, people, and make this real to you. Because most people, Jesus is not real to them

because they've never seen him work. The Robertson family, in my humble opinion, has been given a platform. A close connection, okay, of seeing him do things. Like Jake said, Jason said, When he speaks, things happen. Okay.

And we've been given the privilege of watching him do what he does. Which is what the book of Ephesians is about, because it's from Jesus at the right hand of God. You know, we believe Jesus is reigning now. He's given his spirit to human beings. Well, he gives us his love and great life now. Exactly. Because I said it, Jay, he's.

yesterday in my sermon, over 50 times in the book of Ephesians, in Christ, in Him, you know, because of Him. Everything is Him. It's him. It's not us. We make too much out of being, is his predetermination to love us, which was the key to everything. So a few things, when Zach said about the Old Testament's full of it, he's exactly right, these references of Jesus, who he is, him coming.

So I'll give you a couple more examples. I read these last night. They're awesome. So you had Genesis 1 and 2, but Psalm 33, the whole chapter kind of gets into this, what was going on in the beginning. You'll read it, you'll see the connection. It sounds like John 1. Proverbs 8, which is that about wisdom, well, wisdom becomes a man, a person that's coming

that was with God in the beginning. Well, I wonder who that is. What you think, wisdom, logic, that's why when you see the word, you're seeing logic here and love. And you're seeing these three, which I think the DNA of Jesus and God, the Father, is what you see in the Book of John,

which is light, life, and love. You see that over and over. I mean, when you start reading John 1, it says, through him all things were made without him, nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, which then you think of the opposite, which when you read Psalm 33, you'll see. He starts talking about the opposite of life, which is death.

Because he's like, those who do not want to come to me, will harm themselves. And it says the last verse in Psalm 33, they love death. Yeah. And you're like, well, they don't love them.

Which, by the way, this, the Bible says that. They're going to love death. So what's the same analogy words for darkness being the opposite of light. Oh, exact same thing. Well,

that's where I was going. Yeah. But you, when, when you see those seed lines that you're talking about, which there's three more of those, is light. life and love, which love comes a little later,

but the most famous verse in John is for God so loved the world. But then when you get all the way to chapter 17, well, all of a sudden, loves everywhere in that Jesus' prayer. That's why that we have a problem with, okay? The Bible tells us, okay, hey, you really really want to get to them, love them. Well, right. Well, I want to do a little thing. What did you say?

Psalm 33? No, Psalm 8. You said something about wisdom. No, it's Psalm 30. Proverbs 8. Proverbs 8. Yeah. Is the wisdom.

Say that again, because I want to read something after you say that because you, well, Proverbs 8 is about wisdom, but it turns into a person that was with God in the beginning. That's what I'm saying. You've got to connect the dots. So listen to this. I got to read this then,

because if you read in Genesis 1 chapter, one verse one and three. I'm going to read it. I'm going to read the actual verse. And then I want to read how the Targamous would have interpreted, did interpret this too. The who? The Targamous. These were the, these were the Second Temple. Not the terrorists. The Targamous. So they were like the sages in Second Temple Judaism. Oh boy. That would teach the people. Yeah. So if you were a Jew and you would go to the synagogue and you would go learn from these sages, then this is what they would have said. So Genesis 1.

This is going to go in with what I'm going to say. So good. Targamous. Genesis 1 and 3 says, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And God said, let there be light and there was light.

So that's what the Bible says. So my point to jump in, then you keep going. So what is the point that John's making on whoever this word is? Because he hasn't identified him yet. He just says, in the beginning was the word.

Yeah, what I, the point I'm making, though, is that what you're saying about that passage in Proverbs 8, where wisdom is personified. Yeah. The idea here is, is that when John's writing this, he's addressing something that was kind of accepted inside of Second Temple Judaism. They knew that somehow, some of these guys knew that wisdom was personified. They knew that the word was personified. That's why they changed.

A lot of times when it says Yahweh, they would change it to the word of Yahweh. So the example in Genesis 1 is they would have read that verse like this. From the beginning with wisdom, the Lord created and finished the heavens. That's that Psalm 8, I mean, a proverbate reference. Then the word of the Lord said, let there be light and there was light according to the decree of his word. So they knew the tension in the Old Testament. And the reason why this matters is because they didn't know his name was Jesus. But they did read the Old Testament.

And they were like, something's going on here because there's like wisdom is personified in Psalm, I mean, sorry, Proverb 8. And there's all these references of God being seen, but then he's not seen. And why do we make, are there two Yahwehs? How do we make sense of all this? And they were trying to make sense of it. And then John comes in with this gospel. True, true. They're not doing, they're not connecting the dot.

No, you're right. So I remember this. I think it's Deuteronomy 6. I could be wrong on that, but if you read the whole book of Deuteronomy, you'll find this. There was, there's the same language in John about saying there is one God. Because I want to introduce something here for our talk. This, I was listening to Phil's favorite scholar. I don't think he's a scholar.

He doesn't claim to be. But I like his teaching is this Mackey from somewhere on the West Coast. Bill, who's Mackey? Yeah, infamously said that. Who is Mackey? But I listened to his little class on John One, the first chapter, the prologue. And he mentioned, Proverbs 8, Psalm 33, but he also mentioned, I think, Deuteronomy 6 about this, there's one God. So, and the audience of Jesus didn't have a problem with that.

and one of the themes, because he mentioned a series of books by Richard Balkman. Have you, or Bockman, have you heard of him, Zay? I have not heard of him. And so I said, well, who's Richard Bopman? Because he was getting this stuff from him, and he's like, he does a really good job of showing the themes in the book of John. And he's like, you wouldn't believe how many there are that then references the Old Testament. Well, one of them was this idea of oneness or one. And so I've looked up Richard Baldwin and listened to an hour and 15 minute lecture.

He's not the most dynamic speaker, but I felt like my head was about to explode as I listened because it was really good. And what he basically said, so I've gone from Mackey to Balkman, then after my head exploded, of looking up every day. time this idea of oneness is mentioned or one. Because what you're going to find is, remember in the prayer in John 17, it's a lot of praying about, I pray that they'll be one as we are one. And the whole problem, going back to that, Deuteronomy 6, when all the trouble started for Jesus, and I want to read this. Even to that point, there's even 14, 15, 16 to John, leads up to that concept of oneness because he's saying, I'm going to leave, but I'll still be here because I'm sitting here.

Well, exactly. And look, to say this was over my head as an understatement. And so I took a couple of pictures of some of the things that he noticed. But one thing he pointed out, and don't panic because I'm not giving you the context, all this, he's like, surprisingly, when you read the book of John, it's all individualistic. all the uh pronouns when it comes to people are like singular he said which is very strange uh because he said you know at some point he wants everyone to be one but he keeps using singular the only exception was in john one and uh just you'll see my point when i get finished was this when the only

time he was plural is is verse 12 of john one where it says uh 11 and 12 these are all plural when he's he came to that which was his own but his own did not receive him yet to all who receive him to those who believed in his name he gave the right to become children of god and he kind of made a point that he was telling a narrative here of the overall view you know all people but he's like even in john 316 he meet after he sent his son to save the world but whoever which is a one that our translation puts whoever, but it's the word for one, any one person. And he's like, it's real individualistic. And Mackey made the point based on that.

It's almost like he's writing this so that every individual person would say, okay, this is, let me introduce Jesus to you. But then he did it in such a way that the more you read it, the different facets of who Jesus is, like, continues to help you grow. Then it becomes bigger. And when he said that, it, like, hit me because I thought, well, that's what happened to me. I first read the book of John. I thought, forget everything else.

I need to follow Jesus. But now I can't stop reading it and stop learning because I keep seeing things that I didn't see the first time I read it, you know. So his point was, going back to Bogman, he makes this claim based on the Deuteronomy 6 that everybody went, oh, yeah, there's one God. But then when he added this, here's where the problems happen. And I'm going to read it. This is John 10, because in the next chapter they start trying to kill him. In verse 30, watch how this works. It says, my father who has given them.

to me is greater than all. So, or, let's see, what does that say? It's greater than all, greater than anyone. No one can snatch them out of my father's hand. Well, everybody's like, that's what I'm telling me. There's one God and he's greater than anyone. But this next statement is where the problems happen. This is what's revolutionary about what John's writing to the Jewish audience.

I and the father are one. What? There's a guy who built houses. I know he's seemingly done a few miracles. But when he said, I and the Father, we're talking Yahweh, the God that you trusted, remember the laws? That I immediately go to when he asked,

who do I say sent me? I am. You tell him I am sent you. because I get over, I got one question. And here's the question. Where does everything come from? That would be Jesus. Exactly.

Everything comes from Jesus. So let me read this. Love, all of it. Everything. Exactly. And here's a good point for that. In verse 38, listen to this bombshell. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles.

So he's making a case. Okay, you don't believe I'm, you know, proof in the pudding. He's like, but I'm doing miracles. But then watch what he says. He doubles downs on this statement, that you may know and understand that the father is in me and I in the father. Yeah. We're one. Yeah.

We're one. That's not jiving with Deuteronomy six. You know, they're like, where were you when Deuteronomy six was written? but all the rest of the people get it because you remember what John the Baptist said? He's like, Jesus is greater than me because he was before me. Wait, what? He was the creator and he has now become a human. Because you're right, just what he's done is he's now expanded what the definition of the true Messiah really was.

In other words, they only views the Messiah coming as a prophet, as in Elijah. to tell us about the Father. Jesus blows their mind because he says, no, I and the Father are one. I'm coming not just as the Messiah, but as the Savior of the world, the Son of God, and God, which is what makes his argument so powerful. And you're right, all of their history and everything they had looked for in the Messiah, the restoration of Israel, physical Israel, all the stuff that was there, they never understood that God would become flesh.

And by about it, okay, he's all. knowing he's everywhere at once he's all powerful i'll you know well i want to read another one so when you get to john 1711 look what he says i will remain in the world no longer but they are still in the world talking about praying for his disciples and i am coming to you al which was what ephesians is about holy father protect them by the power of your name the name you gave me so that they may be one as we are one. Now you're like, wait a minute, this is getting deep. Well, it's going to get deeper when he prays for all the believers.

Look in verse 23 of 17. I and them and you and me, may they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. And so this Bachman made the point to go to your point when you brought up love, if you start backtracking from there, in John 15, you remember when he got was his disciples, and he said, you know what real love is?

Somebody lay down his life. My first friend. Well, why is Jesus here? Well, John 316, for God so loved the world that he sent his son. What is John 13 talking about? When he watched his disciples, he said, as I did this, do you love one another? And he just made the point.

He's like, you know what you won't see in the Bible? You won't see humans in humans. You'll see humans in Christ. You'll see Christ in God. He said, but you won't see that. And he's like, and don't let that disturb you. But he's saying, God is love. And he proved it by giving Jesus.

And you're seeing this like circle of love. You do see a picture, though. Well, that's where I was headed. You see a resemblance based on you being in their inner circle. Once you're saying you see it you see it in marriage though when the two shall become one flesh So marriage is a picture of reflection of what you're talking about so I might push but depending on what he means but I haven't read him But I do think there's a picture in the sexual union of marriage to a man shall leave his father and mother The two shall be united and become one flesh where you have two different people

Well he says Zach he says exactly what you're saying well his point I was getting there he says although you wouldn't characterize yourself as God, you're in Christ, and then all of a sudden these reflections start happening. But the source is God's love. And we're just imaging that in our marriage. Which is why we're an image. All right, we've got much more to talk about,

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