Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1030 | Jase’s Joke Makes His Co-hosts Blush & Why You Definitely Wanna Go to Dinner with Willie

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

Al goes back to the origin of the Robertson family’s love-hate relationship with fast food, leaving himself, Zach, Willie, and Jep open for a zinger from Jase. Zach reveals why one should always say yes to a dinner invitation from Willie, and Jase unravels a New Testament mystery he’s never noticed before. The guys debate instances of “baptism” in the Old Testament and why it’s important to us even today. In this episode: John 1, verse 6; John 12, verse 30; Hebrews 2, verse 14 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed in our new studio. It's great. It's great. I'm proud of y'all. Yeah. Nice job, Zach. I had literally nothing to do with it. I showed up. I thought somebody's been working. Oh, yeah. Well, Zach has spent tens of dollars to really get this place up to speed, and we appreciate it, Zach. It's always good to have a nice place to a nice warm place as we're here to do that it's it's funny because we were talking before we came on the air about uh there used to be a saying that my granny had for gordon your dad sack and uh because they had a little bit of a i wouldn't say i love hate relationship but a little bit

of a it was contentious contentious that's a good word contentious relationship you know he was because gordonos like he's a package now you I love him as much as anybody on the earth, but I'm just saying, you know, you got to get used to Gordo. And Granny, you know, she was crazy. It's more of a yuppie redneck vibe. And he didn't mind saying what he thought.

And so that's dangerous in my family. Well, you think? And Gordo can't let anything go. So, like, if you get into. But to be fair, I mean, to fit in. Think about coming into the Robertson family. Oh, it would be very intimidating. I mean, the fact that my mom married him, it is kind of like,

that was a dangerous choice for her because of the dynamic of the whole. I mean, it's, yeah, it could have created a black hole. So one of the things that she would say sometimes is there'd be these little barb comments both ways. And, of course, at the time, we were young, so we just laughed because it was funny. But, you know, obviously now looking back, on it, I realized these were all the dynamic relationships in a marriage and in a family, and those are, that's a big deal. I mean, you know, you get crossways with the in-laws, your crossways.

But one of the things she used to, one of the things she said to him one time that became one of those things that we've joked about for probably 40 years is she said, I don't know what you were doing. You were probably down there hobnobbing at the Sonic. Oh, yeah. And because, you know, she used to always joke about him or make fun of him for stopping at the convenience store because Gordo, Gordo, loves a good convenience store.

He still can't pass one up, can he? Well, it's corn nuts. He gets corn nuts. He stops at the convenience store. I mean, it is corn nuts. It used to be R.C. Cole. I don't know what he drinks now. But I just, we laughed about it before we came on because we were talking about it,

that we were in such a financial state that the sonic sounded like a place to hobnob. Oh, I know. That's not really. Well, we just came from a different environment. It's like you grow gardens. You fish the river. You hunt. You eat what you shoot.

Well, we say we grow gardens. It's not like thinking about the big fancy who was in front of your house. These are the ones that produce food. Yeah, gardens that produce food. And we worked the gardens. I mean, we would like catch fish, clean the fish, use the guts for fertilizer. Yeah, it was all the big process.

And so. Nothing went to waste. I was raised in an environment where you were mistrusting of, like, the term fast food was the equivalent of a cuss word the way we were raised. And so... It's where the rich people, right? That's right.

Well, yeah. It's not at the Sonic. Ooh, hobb. He was... I think he said he was hobnobbing and high rolling at the sonic. Yeah. But even as a kid, I was sharing this before we got to start it up. The first time we went to a McDonald's.

I mean, I remember me and Willie. I mean, we were kids, but we were like, boy, place called McDonald's. And I mean, he's, fries or like somebody back there. Well, I've told this story before, but one time I was riding with you and Willie, y'all were teenagers. And so I was in my early 20s. And I was sitting in the back seat of that little small Nissan truck we had,

had a little jumper seat back there. And so they were going to Burger King in this particular instance there in Westman Road. And so they pulled in. They said, how do you want anything? And I said, no, I'm good. And so then they got all their money out and they were just putting it in the middle little section there.

and they were raking it out. So they had it all laid out some ones and some change. It was a drive-through nightmare for anyone behind us. So they started asking us. We need four cheeseburgers, da-da-da-da-da. No, it was like a puzzle. We're looking at their little sign. And so we're like, how can you make this the most food?

So as they're doing the thing, that Jace is pulling the money or Willie is pulling the money off to see what we had left. And then they were like, okay, what do you have for like a dollar? $1.26. She's like, well, you can get a, you know, a Mick whatever, you know. You know what was funny. I was the first time we did it, we had it all divided up, and we actually had it written down on a piece of paper.

And then when they gave the total, it was more. And we're like, what the heck's going on here? And they're like, no, we've done the math. So we're talking to the person. Yeah. We're like, that's too much. And finally we realized it's taxes. Oh, back to what we tell us about.

What is wrong with this country that the tax is not factored in because it messed up our list. You can't eat taxes. Like how we got to figure up because we weren't very good at math. And, yeah, those were good times. But back to fries. I remember me and my sister were talking about this other day. It was like either there was a moment and I remembered the day. But we would scrab scrounge for change, but it was like you turn over the couch.

You know, you get all the cushions out of the couch, every chair. And there was, and the grocery store that we lived near that you could walk to, you could get, when I was about the eighth, six, seven eighth grade, you could get a package of sweet rolls. And they were like the, not, there weren't pinwheels, which those were really good, by the way, but they were like a sweet roll. package that had a coating of white icing on them. I know just the ones you're talking about. You know what I'm talking about? And they had them for 99 cent. There was an orange,

round orange sticker right on the front. It said 99 cents. And so the deal was- Which means they had been there a day or two. Been in a day or two. So you put on the 7% tax. I actually did factor in the tax. It was about $1.6.

That's why he almost went to Congress, Jay. That's why Jayson. That's what happened. But there was the, there was a moment. We couldn't. We could not find $99 or $1.6 worth the change in the whole house. We turned over every couch cushion ever. 99th.

We couldn't find it. We had scrounged it out. We had just, that was some of my early childhood memories because we didn't help with any money either. Well, with our family, it was a form of rebellion. You know, most people, you know, when they get teenagers, which Al kind of went down that road.

I did. You go drinking with your buddies and all. With me and Willie, it was all. we were going to rebel because we couldn't tell our dad that we went to a fast food restaurant because he's like complete waste of money. There's no telling what's in this stuff. So no cornerie pants and no fast food. No fast food.

So that was like a form of rebellion. And of course, now he looks like a genius because now they've come out with all these studies about fast food. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's preserved it'll kill you. It feels like I tried to tell you. It's all a conspiracy. Theory. They're trying to hook you in and kill you. He's like, you don't do it. So he gives us a little speech about the greatest fast food or

deer ducks. Things that fly by fast. Yeah, they run fast. Fast food. It's not something. We're going to go in there and they get you in and you're, you can't get out because he's claustrophobic anyway. You know, he's in town. Now he's in line and he can't back up, which is a is a terrible feeling. I do have a slight fear of that, you know, when it, the line. gets held up. I'm like, I want to just start bumper car. Because you can't leave. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm trapped, I'm trapped. And now it's two lanes boxed in with the new thing.

Missy recognizes. Well, that's not everywhere. That's Chick-fil-A. You just showed your head. We don't eat. The only fast food we eat now is Chick-fil-A. Well, that's why. It's because Jesus made that cheek. I go there occasionally, though, because I do feel better that there's two lanes, so I think, worst-case scenario, I could just put my hand out. I could hop that curve of my truck. I've already thought about it.

I've done it. And they make a move. Well, I did, I retired. I basically, about a year and a half ago, I had the last horrible experience. And I'm not going to say the restaurant because I don't want to get sued, but it wasn't Chick-fil-A. And I just decided I'm not, I'm done with this.

This will never, and I'm in the camp now that I will not eat fast food, period, except for I will eat Chick-fil-A because I know what I'm getting as consistent. Well, I like your high standards there and your morals there, buddy. Yeah. let me just tell you something that's going to change your world. It's going to happen within the next few years because I had a good conversation with their son-in-law. They're called grandkids. Yeah.

And you will wind up in fast food lines that you never thought possible. Now, I won't eat it. I won't go that far, but I have bought it. You'll pay for it. I have paid for it. So just so you're not. I ran up on one that somebody taught me into it. I want to give an endorsement here.

Maybe that would be a sponsor. Well, they're not paying. Yeah, they should. They're not paying for this. But I'd never heard of this place. But I was driving through when I was coming to see you guys last week when Chase didn't give me any birthday present. I thought about it. And I thought, yeah.

I never. I really thought, I mean, maybe it's me being stupid. I thought when I get on set, he'll have a hundred dollar bill. He's going to do it. No. Never, never. You're not an older brother. Never did.

There's a method to that madness. that I do for the $100 bills, but I'm not going to divulge my secret right now. So anyway, I'm on my way to collect my Hyundai that never came. No, there's a certain group of people that I will put on the list of creative gifts.

Yeah. And so you're in there. I just haven't thought of the perfect gift. But what I do, I'll give it to you. And you'll go, oh, wow. It's somewhere in between a Honda and a hono and a honk from I-40. That's where this,

That's just somewhere on that spectrum. There's a lot. There's a lot in between that. Yeah. All right. So I'm driving through Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Yeah. And off of McFarland Boulevard, for those of you Alabama fans out there.

You roll tiders out there. All you roll tiders out there, including my son and wife. God bless their hearts. And there's a place that my buddy is like, who's with me, he said, you need to try this place called Freddy's. called Freddy's. I like Freddy's. You know, have you been to it? Yeah.

Never heard of it. Again, grandkids. That's like Smashburger. Smash burger, yeah. They were, it was, I mean, it wasn't good for you, but I was like, this is a really good hamburger. Like, I enjoyed eating it. And did you read that, did you go inside? Because if you read, they usually put up the stuff about Freddie, who's the guy that was in World War II.

It's an amazing story as well, the guy. I guess I got stereotyped problems. Because when I hear the word Freddy's, I'm thinking body shop, brake shop, bowling alley. Nightmare on the street. I'm not going to go eat at a place called Freddy's. I'm telling you. It's a good. Look, we've already established a hamburger thing on here.

They got cheese curds, fried cheese curds as well. I'm telling you, it's a really good hamburger. I like it. Well, if you just go by anatomy, I think I've made the right choice. Hmm. Yowl. That stung. That was, you want to go to a body shot and eat?

I think it's a body shot than a different kind of body shot. I feel like he's calling it's fat, Al. I mean, I sense that. I don't know. Was there some undercurrent? Somebody put on the note, the five guys, I was reading some of the comments other day, and the guy goes, does Jace like Zach? He doesn't understand our right.

relationships. Somebody replied, he loves him. I love that. That's one of the few humans on this planet that I can actually say everything I'm thinking at all times, and I feel like it will never have any consequence on our relationship. You realize how valuable that is? He is the poster child of you're not going to hurt his feelings. It's impossible.

And he just proved the point. He called you fat. He loved you him. I call you all that. I thought the fact that you are talking about some restaurant that I've never heard of speaks to the human anatomy. That's where I went. Well, I was saying between me,

Willie, Al, and Jeff, Jeff's got to eat this order too. Like, we, like, you're not like the,

like, we will get, if you, you're the weirdo. That's what we're saying. I mean, we could get into a, I mean,

Willie, I went out to eat with Willie when I was in town. She's, I want to go, I'll take you out the dinner. Which any time Willie asked me after dinner, I'm like, yes, because I know what's going to happen. You get there, and he orders everything. I mean, it's like, I want seven of these.

If somebody says, I want to appetize it, what is it? No, I want them all. I mean, he goes berserk, and he typically orders two entrees. So he, I mean, you come out, someone that could eat. So we went, the last time I ate at a restaurant with Willie, because we were in Arizona doing something. I can't remember what. And so we went to this nice restaurant. so we get a salad.

They have this bread that was there. I've talked about this before because that was fantastic. I was with you. Yeah. Be and Jeffrey there. That's when we went to the... You'll remember this story. The XG.

So Willie gets a salad. Yep. And it said part of the salad, maybe you'll remember it. It was some kind of pork fat or something. Yeah, it was a... Port belly. Port belly.

So Willie eats this salad, and then he calls the waiter over. He doesn't say anything to anybody eating. He eats a salad. And I thought that's a salad. a weird thing to put on salad. Pork belly. And Willie said, I would like to order an order of that pork belly. And the waiter was like, do what now?

He's like, I want an order of just the pork belly. I want a big platter. And then I want to put it in my belly. Yeah. And so, and the waiter went off and brings out a platter. And it had enough pork belly. He just put that beside him And every

The next wave of You know He would just dip over into that He just kept eating that And I thought No wonder you have a bit of a weight issue I mean who does this He just went beyond the menu

And he's like You gotta try this And I was like I'm scared to try it Willie Because if I get hooked on this We're none of us I couldn't get off the bread at that restaurant. It was fantastic.

He ordered, at our dinner, he had, he ordered, he single hand, we, I won't tell you what he ordered. I'll tell you what he ate. He single-handedly ate two appetizers by himself of fried alligator tail. He ate one of the, this is at, what's the place called, Parrish? Oh, yeah, Paris. He ate one of the little duck wraps, or the duck wrapped in bacon or something like that. He ate, he had a, um, he had, um, he had, um,

a thing of Brussels sprouts. Yeah. This is just an appetizer. That's called rationalization. Yeah. And then he had a full entree. They were probably cooked in duck fat too. Oh, they were fried.

I said, those are, they're so good and crispy. I said, because they fry him. In that they're fried. I think he's actually made some menu changes recently. Because that's been a while. That was years ago, since I was at restaurants. Oh, he looks good. He's actually maintained pretty well.

Yeah, I think it was a moment. of just like tonight we, you know, I've been eating right, but tonight we're going to celebrate. And that's when you want to be there, is that? You want to be there when that happens? That's what you want to be there. I feel like we need to go to John 6, but we hadn't even got to Chapter 1.

We've got to get to John 1 before we get to John 6. I don't know how we got off on this weight. Well, you were making fun of us for being there for late. We're working on it, Jay. I just said what people were thinking. Do you remember the old, do you remember from the back in the days when Saturday Night Live was funny? and there was a skit on there that Mike Myers did called Middle Age Man.

Do you remember that, Zach? Middle age man. And it was him, and he had this gut that was hanging out. And so the whole thing was, he would look at somebody and they were looking at it. And he said, are you looking at my gut? I'm working on it. So ever since then, I was thinking of the Chris Farley bit where he's with Adam Sandler and they're eating the fries. Oh, about the girls, the mean girls?

And he's a lay off, I'm starving. Which was also the one he did with Patrick Swayze, the famous Chippendales. Oh, yeah, that was. At Chippendos, we're really looking for a lean, muscular body, not really fat and grotesque like you have. But he owned it. He owned it. He did all it. He was 100%.

All right. Book of John. Book of John. What are transitions of the book of John? How do we transition? They're not. Well, that's what I'm saying. John 6, he started talking about, you know, eating.

I mean, it seemed weird. He feeds a 5,000. But I don't mind talking about food because everybody's got to have it. And Jesus used that. But you said this recently, Jason, when we got back into John, that something I hadn't thought about was how many times water appears in the book of John. But also. I had a number on that.

But it is crazy. It's, I don't know what you want to call these things. There's a lot of theme lines that go through John. Right. But water is one of them in various ways. It's amazing how many times it keeps coming up. Oh, and I brought up the one about testifying or testifying. It's like making the case 36 times life is mentioned.

Right. Which, when you think about it, what's our biggest problem? Death? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you want to, I've added that when I say the Bible's about Jesus, and then I say, and the preservation of life as we know it. Just think about that. Right.

So 36 times he talks about life. come to Jesus, you'll have light. What does that mean? So we left off, the last time we were looking at this, we read 1 through 5, speaking of life, was life and light, which was where he got. Then we get to verse 6 in John 1, and I want to read this because we're going to spend a big chunk

of the rest of John 1, talking about John the Baptist, and he brings him up. The reason I mentioned water is because the first time we see this idea about baptism in water. There was a ceremonial cleansing that happened in the tabernacle and the temple, some had tried to make this comparison

but what John was doing had never been done it was never done in the Old Testament Yeah The closest thing you could say Was maybe Naman You know being dunked in the Jordan To cleanse his leprosy

Well now look It's swear that you bring this out I cannot believe you brought this up I spent two hours Last night Trying to figure out What this meant Where it says

Now where is that it When he says this all happened at Bethany. Where's that at? Chapter 1. 28. All right, so 28. You read that. This all happened at Bethany on the other side of the Jordan, where John was baptizing. It seems simple enough, right?

Yep. Well, later, Jesus goes to Bethany. John 11. John 11, where he resurrects Lazarus. So just stay with me on this. Those are two different places. Really? Look it up 100%

Look it up Mr. Scholar Do you want to get in on this Or do you want me to explain this? I'm going to wait until you explain Oh, I've come up with something Nobody's noticed Only the scholars

Not different place Because they look up If you go down the rabbit hole Yeah On this I would have assumed It was the same Bethany From John 11th

I would have assumed that different. Although. Now, here's the problem. So let me set up the controversy before you say something, because I don't want you to say something you'll regret. Because I look this up in depth because I thought. I'm not regret it.

I'll just say I'm wrong. I don't mind. This doesn't make sense. I was like, because when you start looking at it geographically, because I've been to Israel and I was, that's why I did this. I was like, wait a minute, this seems like a long way away from where we're at. So as you go down the rabbit hole, you're going to see the same thing. Well, then I went to this.

Because Bethany and John Levin is pretty close to Jerusalem because he was going there at night. Exactly. Okay, I got it. And so they do the math, the miles it would take. Yeah. It doesn't add up. Yeah. It was so funny to listen to what all these scholars say about this.

In fact, our guy, uh, Mackey, he's like, he thinks John. Who's Mackey? Purposely mispronounce this word. to because there was a place the place that where this bethany would have been but it was like beth bar bar i think or something like that was a lot of b's and r's and a barbara so i look that up and they're like well maybe uh forgetting what mackie said because he's like maybe he was just like shadowing because he brought up john's baptism yeah and here's the point The Beth Bbar means a house of Ford, which I thought Ford.

You know, when I think of Ford, I think of a truck. But actually, it's a shallow place in the river. Yeah. Well, then I thought, well, what's the synest? So the place John was baptizing, this Bethany was a little shallow. It was a shallow place. Well, what is the significance of crossing the Jordan? Yep.

Oh. Now that's why when you brought up Naman, that's why I'm connecting this. I got it. And so this is like a liberation. It's a new exodus. Here's Jesus. We're crossing over the Jordan. I thought, and I like this.

And so a lot of the scholars say that evidently this was called Bethany at that time under the disciples' watch. Because that means house of big trees, I think. a house of healing, house of, no, it's lamentation or figs. Because there was a place where they believed there was like in the place in John 11, that Bethany, it was like, you know, a lamentation and healing. Well, Jesus ultimately, the shadow of that, he resurrected a dead body. I'd call that some pretty good healing. So, but they say this, the significant was that they changed.

changed that from Bethany, where John was baptized into this Beth Babbar, which is why Mackie said, he just thinks he's being coy about this. But, okay, I don't know. I don't know if I agree with that. That John, the apostle, the one who wrote this. Who wrote this is like using a version of the word to simulate, well, this is actually the cross and the Jordan. Jesus is coming. There's a new Exodus. This is the new creation. Look, I'm agreeing with all that. But I think maybe this place was called Bethany, and then they changed it to Beth Barbar, based on it being the new Exodus, the new...

And it's probably the place he baptized Jesus as well, when you think in that low place. Oh, exactly. But I did think it was fascinating. I mean, what does that all really mean? I just think that it was symbolizing to go back to John 1-1. In the beginning was the Word,

and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. and he's coming to fulfill the problems with the creation, and he does. And these are kind of some hallmarks there. But I don't know. I thought that was very interesting. I like where you're going with this because I think that a lot of the New Testament is when you can overlay it with the story of the Old Testament, that you see that there is almost like a, well, it's a rectifying of. everything that went wrong in the Old Testament. And so that's the book that I picked up recently that I mentioned on the podcast before by Michael Heiser,

The Unseen Realm. That's really his point in the book. And so you get John 1, for example, and when we read that in the beginning was the word, the Lagos or Logos, however you want to say it, and the Logos or Logos was God, and the Lagos was God. When you read that, like we typically don't see that in the context of something from, the Old Testament. But he is calling on Genesis chapter 1 there. In the beginning, God created the heavens in the earth. His point is that this logos in John 1 is the God from Genesis 1. It's the same

person who created all things, but by him all things are created without him, nothing was made. And also, I've mentioned this on a previous podcast, and I preached on this Sunday, but I think it's so interesting, that when you go back and you read these Targums, which were essentially a translation of the Hebrew text in the Aramaic, that in the first century, second temple Judaism, they would reinterpret the Old Testament so that people could understand it in the Aramaic. And when they would look in the scripture and they would recognize in the Old Testament, they recognized there was a problem with a lot of the text because it would read as if there

were two different Yahwehs. Like, for example, Genesis 9 when it says don't basically kill people because man is made in the image of God, in the image of God he created him. Whenever they looked at that, they're like, why would God speak about himself in the third person? It's almost like there's two gods. And what they essentially did was they came up with this idea that there's the word of Yahweh, and then there's Yahweh. And they were separate persons. This isn't like Jewish people said this, not Christians. And so the word, when it translates, was logos, the word of Yahweh, the logos of Yahweh. So when John writes this, he's basically saying, hey, you know the guy from the Old Testament that

y'all called the Word of Yahweh? Yeah, he has a name. His name is Jesus, and he became flesh. So there is this overlay in the book of John with the Old Testament that all things are kind of being made new through Jesus. So I like where you're going with that, Jayce. Well, actually, I mean, it kind of taught me a lot of things. No wonder Ford was named after Henry Ford because he, if the meaning is you can cross a shallow stream, he invented a car.

You just come up with a new marketing campaign for a Ford Trump. They need to get back to the route. Jason and I drive Ford, so I guess that's what I just thought that was weird. And I thought, here's a place he was baptized. And like you said, Al, they were in a ceremony of Washington and all this, but he's baptizing people saying, you know, believing the one who's coming after. And even though that it says, well, Jesus is going to baptize you with the Holy Spirit,

obviously meaning he's going to pour out his spirit later, which John 14, 15 and 16 talks about the significance of him leaving the spirit. He's like, I'm going to leave, but I'm not going to leave you alone. And then he gets into this, he'll be with you and in you. You know, it's just fascinating passages. But that doesn't mean that actual act of baptism stopped. It, even from John the Baptist, it continued. Remember when Jesus said, you know, his last words, Matthew 28,

going to the world, preach the gospel, baptizing, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, May the Father, Mark's accounts kind of gave the same. Right. So, and even you see that all through the book of Acts, you see it in the book of Romans. And so it made me think, especially in light of life being a part of this narrative all through John, you know, when in Romans 6th, when Paul says we were baptized into Christ's death, Well, it made me think of every time in the book of John and the other Gospels

on how many times Jesus started discussing his death and what was going to happen and the implications of that. And so one of them I just want to pick out because I really got excited about this. Because you say, what does that mean? We're baptized because here's John the Baptist. Now we're fast forward and now the spirits come out. You have this commission by Jesus. and now Paul's right in the Romans.

He has that little interesting Romans 6, 1 through 4 about you're baptized into his death. It's like you're, it's like you're gossiping in life. You're dying, being buried and raised, but it says you're baptized into his death. Right. And so I think we tend to think in our Western America churches, all right, what did Jesus die for? What do we immediately say? Their sin. Oh, you die for sin.

But when you start looking at all the times he talked about his death, there were other implications on what that meant. And I want to pick one. And this one I thought was really exciting. So when John 12, when he gives the idea about his death, then he was going to die, this is in verse 10, John 12, verse 30. They heard a voice. We'll study this when we get there. But it says, now is the time for judgment on this world. and now the prince of this world will be driven out.

But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself. Now watch verse 33. He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die. And you say, well, what was the implications there? He's like, I'm going to drive the prince of this world, meaning who? Satan. Satan.

The evil one out. Yeah. Well, think about this. When you read Hebrews 2, and you have this incredible narrative about Jesus becoming a human, which is what we're talking about in John 1, the word became flesh. The whole chapter is about him becoming a human. Why? To save other humans, right?

But when he gets to the end of Hebrews 2, he brings up this same idea that I just read in John 12, if I can find Hebrews. Listen what he says in Hebrews 2.14. Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death that is the devil

and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. Well, it just kind of hit me there. I thought, man, When Paul said you're baptized into his death, that death drove the prince of demons, the evil one, the satanic forces out, not only of the authority of this world, but I thought drove him out of my life. Yeah. You know, into life in Christ, which is what Roman 6 said. So I just was just saying, I think we should expand our horizons when we talk about.

the implications of that on Jesus' death, of all the things that that means for us. Because then it goes back to the same kind of thing about Jesus freeing those, you know, back to Exodus. Yeah, I mean, that's the, I'm probably not equipped to do this off the cuffs, but I will say. Oh, I'm sure you are. You have the Holy Spirit. No, no, because I just started looking into this. But, yeah, when you think about these places that Jesus,

went, and one I'm thinking about in the Book of Mark when he goes in to cast out the demon into the Gentile territory, that's not a, these are not accidental geographical locations that he winds up in. And the only point is not for him to display his divinity by casting out the demons. There's something else going on that fits into the bigger narrative of the entire scripture. And I think that's the thing. There's a reason why he's in that place because he's conquering and declaring victory over the demonic realm in that place, which relates to something that happened in the Old Testament, just like in the Book of Acts, chapter 2, on the day of Pentecost, that's not just an event that is only about the coming of the Holy Spirit. it's also about the bigger story of what happened at the Tower of Babel when God confused their languages and scattered them. Now he's bringing them back together, and they're hearing each other speak in their own native tongue. So it's a rectifying of what happened at the Tower of Babel in Genesis 11. So I think there's all these themes, and that's why we grew up in, at least I grew up in a church setting that when you brought up the Old Testament, and they would always say it doesn't apply. I've heard that.

If I've heard that once, I've heard it. That's the old way. That's the old code. That's written done away with. It doesn't matter. It only stick to the New Testament. The problem is when you do that is that you miss out on the bigger grand narrative of the entire vision of what God is doing. And then you miss out on the significance of the unseen realm.

The Jesus is coming and clearly claiming kingship over. What a lot of people miss. You have two baptisms. here in this New Testament era, the first century of John's baptism or repentance, then he points to Jesus and this idea of baptism of the spirit. So you get over in Acts 19, you see that there's this idea there were two different baptisms, and a lot of times people were trying to figure that out in the first century. But did you realize there were two baptisms in the Old Testament as well?

One is mentioned, Paul mentions that in 1st Corinthians 10, and that's when the people are coming out of, you know, the Exodus coming out of Egypt. It says there were walls of water and a cloud over the top of them. So in a sense, that symbolized a baptism, them coming out of slavery into the wilderness, the possibility of freedom. Most people don't First Corinthians 10 kind of mention that. It does. It says it exactly. It calls it a bad.

Moses' baptism is what he called it. Yeah. But you know what's interesting is when those, you know, remember then they 40 years, they're wandering around, a bunch of people didn't believe they wanted to go back. And so they died out. so a new generation gets right there to the edge of the promised land they come up on the jordan river guess what it's flooded yeah but they got to get across to get in to go to jericho what happened and what happened there was a second miraculous cross that's why i brought this up do you think it's

an accident that john the baptist is found this little place that's called the ford crossing yeah because i can't say that word beth bar but and they call it bethany so it just to me that it like overwhelmed me thinking this is God's plan. It wasn't that it was a negative thing. The law was good. Moses is here. So when it says verse 17, for the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Jesus is fulfilling the unfaithfulness of the Jewish nation by becoming a Jew, a human. And it's all starting here at this magical place where God wants split the seas and let them cross. And now we got a guy who looks a lot rougher than me

baptizing people in the same Jordan River. And that's why it was a shallow crossing because it's a lot easier to baptize someone in shallower water. As if the water's over your head, everybody's going to be baptized. We call it a mass baptism. But the difference is between the first time of the crossing of the Jordan River and this time

in Jesus, it's accomplished. In Jesus, it's finished. But isn't this cool how he wrote this? That's why I'm saying once you go into the weeds, it becomes something that, and I think he did it on purpose because you can always go here and learn something. I mean, I've been following Jesus for 40 years.

I never knew that Beth and he was two different places. Well, how'd I miss that? There's nobody wants to touch that with a 10-foot pole because they're like, doesn't add up. It's so weird because people go there and try to say, oh, it's a mistake. I'm pretty sure it's not a mistake. No, goddamn mistake. But that's people who don't believe.

And they're like, well, what does that mean? And so I told you what I thought. Well, what I thought was all cool because I thought, this is really cool. I don't know exactly what the answer is, but I know the actual name of the place where he was at later. that it became that Beth Barbar was meaning a house of a shallow crossing, you know. I like the idea of that shadow coming forward. All right, so we're out of time. Man, that went fast.

Out of time? Yeah. Well, that went fast. It went by fast. Too much fast food, not enough, Jesus. So we're out of time. Man, what a great study this is. We will get into the rest of John the Baptist.

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