Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1039 | Phil's Difficult Recovery from Surgery & the Jase Namesakes Spawned by ‘Duck Dynasty’ Fans

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

Jase offers an update on Phil's challenging recovery from his latest procedure. Al meets young men named Jase all over the country because their parents were “Duck Dynasty” fans, and wonders just how many there are. Jase seems to actually enjoy his status as a “fashion model” for outdoorsmen and attempts to include a young fan in his onstage demonstration, but it backfires spectacularly. Plus, how to turn any conversation into a Jesus conversation. In this episode: John 1, verse 35; 2 Corinthians 3, verse 7 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. I'm back here in the, what are we calling this? It's called the studio. The studio. We're in the new and improved Unashamed. I guess we haven't named it yet actually. I know. It's kind of like, because we had the layer and that's, that was unique to its spot. So we need to think about it. Maybe. Let's call it the upgrade. Just call it the studio with no name.

There you go. Remember that movie series? The man with no name? That's where I was going. It was so good. I was thinking of the producer with no name, the one that Phil would not. Oh, yeah. His name actually was Connor, by the way.

He's a good guy. So, Jason and I are here, Zach. It's a good thing you're not living in Louisiana this week. It is a miserably cold, wet, damp. environment and we're both sick, which is typical this time of year. I mean... Say I'm sick. Well, what...

Well, here's what happened. You're sick. Trust me. What had happened was it was 80 degrees in Louisiana. That's right. Two days ago. And I flew to Nashville. And I thought I was doing an event in Nashville, but it was actually in Bowling Green, Kentucky.

Yeah. Yeah, you told about that. that the big men's thing right did i tell about that yeah you said you were going you you previewed it oh yeah because they they hadn't sold out right so i did a little blur and thank you unashamed nation because they they sold it out well they sold out in a matter of minutes once the podcast see see the power of unashamed which what was funny was then it attracts when you do that it attracts the real fans of unashamed nation yeah which makes for interesting stories when Jace gets to meet them.

Because we had a little meet and great that they said was supposed to go. Because they forget nothing that was set on this line. So let me ask you, Jase, what would you say the percentage of the audience listened to the podcast if you had to guess? Well, half the people were there because they listened to the podcast. So at least 50%, Zach, do the math. All right. I would say most people there listen to the podcast.

Yep. But it was one of those events where it's a little awkward because they were doing a fundraiser for a guy who basically challenges men to be men of God. And so they had a dinner, and it was swanky. I was the most underdressed person there. Yeah. I found myself that way at a lot of events. I'm fine with it. I didn't tell you.

I'm just kind of like, well. So, however, I had one of my honeyhole shirts on during the plane ride because, and I told you, you know, in a weird way, I'm kind of a fashion model, so I like it. And the person I'm fashioning for literally used to be a 7-Eleven is right down the street here, you know. So I had, because it had a- That's where Jay says, Jay says the new model for 7-11 type fishing store. Yeah. So I like that because I think it's funny. And I like their product.

But I have to have the hoodie because my layover in between Atlanta, once I got to Atlanta, it was a very short time. So I had to put the hoodie on. I didn't run, but I was walking fast, which did draw security. Of course. I noticed several security people following me because I had my hoodie on. There's nothing sticking out but the beard. So once again, a victim of facial profiling.

Because you kind of, it's easy for you to make that crossover with your attire jays from Unity Man to Unabomber. You know, it's just, that's the transition that happens when you put the hoodie on. Well, and I had the shades on. So it's like, this guy looks like he's trying to conceal his identity. And so when confronted with that by a security person, I said, well, I'm in a hurry. But they didn't get it because they didn't know who it was. I thought that was funny.

So anyway, we get in this little whatever you call it, the meet and greet room. The first, not the first, I'll tell you the story, but the first person there was a 13-year-old kid that had a brain tumor. And they had reached out to us. And so we reached out to the event. And we were like, can we arrange a meeting? Because his story was he discovered us when he was four. and he was in a hospital bed, which a lot of kids have this happen.

And, I mean, he has a brain tumor. He's going through one miserable procedure after another. Yeah. And so when you're a kid in that situation, you want to have a way to have a distraction, break the cycle. Right. So he started watching our little duck show. And he was just real thankful because he, in his words,

you know, that really helped him go through the cycle. I've heard that so many times from people that have gone through something difficult that the show really helped. Yeah, so here he is 13 now. He still has the brain tumor because they can't remove it because of where it's at. Yeah. And, you know, it's touching because these guys, that little boy, he never, and I say little, he's 13 and he's bigger than you. I mean, it's a huge mountain of a young man. And kind of had a mullet and kind of his, hairdo look like mine, you know.

So we were having a lot of fun. I was making him laugh about it. I was like, man, I feel at home. I mean,

because he's, you know, he had redneck tendencies. Oh, yeah. And just, just a fabulous kid. Had a smile on his face

the whole time. So I, I thought, you know what? I'm going to make him a part of the show. And so I said, here's,

I want to introduce you because I, you need people praying for you. And never underestimate the power of prayer. And of course, we gathered around

him and said a prayer while we were back there. But so this is kind of where it went wrong. I had a great idea because I thought, man, let's give this guy some attention. I mean, he's a warrior. He's going through all these struggle and he's got a smile on his face. So I said, look, I'm going to introduce you when I first come out. And when I introduced you, I gave him one of my duck calls off my lanyard and signed it.

And I told him to wash it first or whatever. And he was real excited getting the duck call. So I said, when I introduced you, you, I want you to blow the duck haul. Yeah. I was like, then I'll make some jokes about it. So he's like, okay, I was like, and then what we'll do at the end is like, I'll give you a job to do, to be like my assistant.

And so, so wait for further details on that as we go. So, I mean, I thought it was a great plan. Sounds great, right? We're drawing attention to this kid. What could go wrong? Well, I introduced him. I told his story. and he doesn't blow the duck haul.

He just kind of is looking with a grin on his face. And I'm like, blow the duck call. I just, you know. And so then he blew it, which is easy. He was actually pretty good on a duck call. I said, now, here's what you do. At the 35 minute mark from right now, blow it again. And so then I know my time is up.

So I thought, what could go wrong? Oh, boy. Well, I do the speech. And at some point, I'm like, it has to, this has to have gone over 35 minutes. Because you've done this enough now where you kind of, yeah, you're in turn a lot. Has it not been 35 minutes? And he just kind of looked at me with a grin.

But he still didn't blow the duck call. So I went ahead and quit, got off stage, and my assistant was like, you went 53 minutes. And I thought, well, maybe it was the 35. the 53. And she's like, why would you do that? So she was like chastising me. And I was like, he had one job.

I thought he would do it. So then I was like, well, I hope I didn't embarrass him. But then he came up after and I kind of had tears in his eyes and we hug, you know. And I was like, it truly was, I think, a God orchestrated encounter. Well, he didn't want you to stop. That's, I can exactly, I know exactly what happened. He made me no explanation. I was like, why didn't you blow the duck call?

And he's like, I didn't know what time it was. Well, I thought in our world, I figured everybody has a redneck. He doesn't have a watch. He didn't have a watch. So I was like, well, okay. The second guy I met in the little green room for the meeting greet, he had the shirt on from the honey hole that I had worn in the airport. And look, this was a swanky thing.

He had a suit coat, but he had the shirt. under it? Under it. And it had the little tag, you know? I was like, dude, this is weird. He said, wow, I was like, I just had that shirt on. Then I took it off. I put one on that had unashamed.

Yeah. I was like, it's kind of weird. You're wearing that shirt that I had on. I mean, that's weird. But he was just looking with a grand. And I was like, okay, he must be kind of a weird guy. Well, then the next couple that came, I was like, what are y'all doing here? And they said, we have no idea.

We heard you say you were going. going to be here and this is our date and we drove an hour which i thought was weird don't you think oh it happens to me i was like well it's not weird i'd take chill if i was if i listened to podcast or something i'd go i'd go listen to somebody speak big good little date night so anyway uh it was fun i mean we did the event and i had my son and his wife and three grandkids kids come. Yeah, because you were close to Nashville. Well, I was like an hour and a half, but I didn't even know they were coming.

Yeah. Which turned into chaos. I mean, my grandkids are three and under, three of them. You have three under three, yeah. Yeah. So, but overall, it was the first event. So then that night, after the event, got a little scratchy. And then the next day I woke up and I had zero vocal ability.

So on the one. That's why you were saying you weren't really. sick but you've well i felt fine yeah but now since then i'm like well maybe i got some kind of virus you know yeah i mean but it was weird because i literally couldn't make a sound so then it got weird on the way back because all i could do was basically grunt i was like what is that there's some star in hollywood that all he does is grunt he makes millions of dollars but i don't know who that is i just heard somebody say that i don't know but i could not make an audible sound for 24 hours The old football player Marshawn Lynch, that's why he meant him.

He wouldn't speak. He just grunted. Isn't he? Yeah. I kind of like it. But then he wound up doing a bunch of ads because he talked and made millions of dollars, which is really smart. There you go.

There you go. So I did do some of our kind of new stuff in my speech, which just kind of came out about the kingdom and all. And I did a thing about conversations, which goes in with the book of John, because I had an interesting conversation on the way there. So a guy is sitting next to me And it's 7.30 in the morning And

When I Passed him, because I was sitting by the window, I was like, Boy, you got quite the bar going here. Because he had a, I thought was orange juice And he had a cup of coffee And he had a bottle of water. And I was trying not to knot any of it over Yeah, with my bag. And he said, oh yeah,

I got the Holy Trinity. And I thought, what does that mean? And he said, yeah, I got the Holy Trinity. I got some caffeine. I got the alcohol with the screwdriver. Oh. And I have some water to wash it all down. I thought, that's an odd way of using the Holy Trinity.

That might be bizarre old Trinity. Yeah. So I said, well, what do you do? And he said, well, I'm a sports agent. for the NIL, you know, in the college world, because that's all just exploding. Oh, yeah, there's big money there. But, like, while he's telling me what he's doing,

he's getting him another screwdriver. I mean, he put that thing down. I thought, it was kind of early to be knocking back whatever this. Well, that's why I needed the other two-thirds of his equation. So then the more he talked, and he was, you know, using some four-letter words in the descriptions of, and I thought, I need to have a conversation. And so it's like, but time was racing because he was a talker because that's what he is.

He's an agent. He's making the sale. So then when he just asked me, he said, well, what do you do? And I just thought, I'm cutting to the chase right here. I said, I'm a disciple of Jesus. That's how I think how you cut to the chase, jace. It was like sound effect head, because he said, what do you do? And it was like, when I said a disciple of Jesus.

Jesus. I was like, now, you know, to make money, I've, you know, build duck calls. I'm an entertainer, and I brought up our little duck show. And he's like, you're one of those people. And I was like, yeah, who would look like this without some reason? And so I, you know, I started talking about Jesus because I say, what do you do? And I'm saying, I got that from Jesus. I just thought, this, what if this is a God architected encounter? Yeah. And what's so weird is, is that after I got through with my speech, I never heard another four little word.

And at the end, it was so funny when he got up, because it was only a 37-minute flight. He was like, and God bless you and all that y'all do in that God bless him. It was kind of a weird, and I don't know it may have been because he had about four free drivers. But I thought, you know, it changed the whole. conversation and narrative. And I thought you never know just that one encounter where that will go.

Yeah, because it's a little uncomfortable for them to continue down a trail when you've kind of introduced that. So I made a point, though, when I got to the book of John, I said every, I said most encounters with Jesus starts with a conversation. And you really see that in the book of John. You have these portraits once we leave chapter one of these. Just everyday conversations that came up. Yeah, they made the impact.

Jay, well, you were doing Bowling Green, so I was on my way home from the Southern Lair to come home to preach this weekend. And so we stopped and did a little marriage event. It was just kind of impromptu. A guy I met pastor there at Bethel-Baddeson, the metropolis of Citronell, Alabama, which is just north of Mobile,

I mean, our kind of folks, you know. And so they had a little marriage event, And they're probably, I don't know, 50 or so couples at this event. Lisa and I shared a little bit about what God's doing through us and our ministry. But that little cool thing they were doing because it was their marriage enrichment event. So they put these little verses on every table. And so you had about six or eight couples around every table. So we were at ours and they'd put a verse from Song of Solomon.

Now, I just got to tell you, if you're ever going to read Song of Solomon, it's quite the book to read. because Solomon... It's at least PG-13. At least. And so they had all these verses from Song of Solomon, and you were supposed to, your table was supposed to read the verse and then come up with a pickup line from the verse,

if you weren't to your spouse, if you were going to say, hey, let's, you know, here's a pickup line from Song of Solomon. That sounds dangerous. It was. And it was very funny because all throughout the night at different points,

they would have someone from the table come up on the mic and tell what their pickup line was from the verse. They'd read the, verse than tell the pickup line. So our guy at our table had a pretty funny one. I can't remember what his was, but the one I remembered, I wanted to tell you, because it was so funny, I laughed so hard. So here's the verse. It's the song of song 17. And this is in the Bible, by the way. So some you have out there said, this is in the Bible. Yeah. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never

lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat. And so, Circle by Lilies. That was the verse, which is, you know, and so Solomon's describing his, you know, the love of his life in this song and song. So he had to come up with a pickup line. So these are Alabama, you know, these are our kind of people. And the guy's pickup line was, let's grab some cheap wine and make some biscuits. And I laugh so hard because the wheat, you know, it was just funny. It was just, it captured the moment, just right.

So they had several of those. So it was fun. And yet we got up and shared some of what God does in marriage. And then I had some couples afterwards. They really shared some life-changing stuff. So it was really good. Tell us about your travel, too, because before we get into the taste. Well, when y'all were complaining about the weather, I just, I was in Portland, Oregon.

And so it was, yeah, it's like a, it's like a mist all the time. It's like someone's got a spray bottle and they're just sprayed you, the whole. time. So yeah, we went up there and it was good. We got to go to the Bible project and see what they were doing. I love that ministry. I did tell them about Phil, not knowing who Tim Mackie was and who is the whole who is Mackey. Still one of my favorite cold opens of all time. Who's Mackey? You remember Jason? I think you had put it on some notes that we were going to talk about. Yeah, it was in my notes. I was like Jason is going to mention Mackie's outline. We were studying Ephesians.

Yeah. And Mackey's outline was what we were using. And dad, he said, Al says here, you know, is reading our internal notes, you know. But it comes from something that I've heard Phil do a bit on, and I've said the same bit. Because it always fascinates me, like when preachers get up to preach. Now, I realize you're a preacher, so don't get offended. But here's what I don't understand. I'm not easily offended.

Most preachers that I hear, they get up and they'll have a text and they'll start. But then they'll preach a sermon. And they have like 30 quotes from people who wrote books. And that's where Phil gets that. He's like, who is that? Because you feel like, is this book not big enough for you? Are there not enough references in the Bible to quote, And I always, I do think that when someone continues to quote other people's books in sermons and most of the preachers that do that, they do it on a consistent basis.

But I'll tell you why they do it. And Zach can back me up on this. It's the same thing you learn in college that you're supposed to quote sources. And so it's so ingrained in you. You could just tell a story and it would be just as effective. but it's structured into your education that you've got a quote where you heard this or you're stealing the idea. It's like plagiarism. Well, because think about it, you read someone's material and if you learn anything from it.

But to Jesus' point, though, the Holy Spirit does it? I mean, we really shouldn't have to. I do it too? My point is, do you not have enough material in this book called the Bible? You do. I mean, I'm saying, okay, it's okay to quote somebody every once a while. But if he didn't write a book in the Bible, I got him way further down the list.

But it doesn't mean his story is irrelevant. It's just like Sunday in my sermon, I quoted N.T. Wright, speaking of Mackey, there's another one of our guys. What you got to meet us, Zach. Did you meet N.T. Right? Yeah. No, I didn't get to beat him, but he was at the, he spoke, and he, and he, oh, so he was great. So I quoted him, but I didn't quote, I quoted a book because he told a fantastic story. that illustrated the point I was trying to make days in my sermon. So that's why I did it.

But the Bible certainly is big enough to your point. Yeah, I think it's kind of an honor thing. And you don't want to steal someone else's material like it's your own. But I will say that if you think about truthfully, I think that's kind of funny that I'm saying this, C.S. Louis said, C.S. Louis said, thank you, Zach for illustrating. To have an invitation song. right now.

I mean, Zach, literally in explaining it is now doing. But that's like we shouldn't steal people's material. I'm like, this is the material. He said in our quest to be original, basically like when you quit trying to be original and like you actually become original. But it's really all gods in the end. I mean, you think about we're all borrowing from his revelation. So, I mean, I do think there is some truth to that.

And people get really obsessed with wanting to get credit for their work. But I think there is something to be said for it's all his material in the end. And what we're doing is just taking what he's revealed, trying to explain it the best we know how, you know, as broken as that may be. And if someone can take that and expand upon it, great. Yeah, we're all kind of working off someone else's material anyways, all back to who. Well, and plus, how do we know that our original thought was not somebody else's original thought somewhere else? And who thought it first? I don't feel like you necessarily have to do it.

If I hear somebody say something that I say a lot, one is I'm flattered that they're saying it, and I'm thinking, well, maybe they just thought that up just like I did, you know. Do you ever Google something you think you come up that's original? Oh, yeah. And then you look at it and say, oh, yeah. That was already a thing. There are very few truly original ideas. That is true, Des.

Exactly. Every once in a while, I'll come up with one. I was, Missy. Just come up with something no one's ever thought of before. She's like, well, how do you know? I was like, because I looked it up. I didn't. She's like, I'm sure somebody said that somewhere.

You just don't realize. She's probably right. But what I thought was, I don't know if y'all watched the Super Bowl, but the commercials seemed to have a different vibe to them. Yeah, no, it's the whole thing. You know, really. Yeah, and I thought it was more positive overall. But one of them that caught me was,

there was a, I think it was a Jeep commercial that they had Harrison Ford. Oh, yeah. And I thought it was a good commercial. It was very good. But he said something in there that caught my attention because he was talking about humans. And he's like, there's no owner's manual for humans. And I thought, objection. She was like, I want to hear the commercial because she like.

You were objecting. during the commercial. I said, no, I was like, what is the Bible? And, of course, she had a really good point. She's like, well, I think the same thing when people say there's no owner manual for parenting. Yeah. She's like, objection. Of course, it's the same book that I had, you know, which I do think, it is an owner's manual for humans.

It is. So, even though I thought the commercial was pretty good. Yeah. Did you like the commercials? Well, I liked them overall. I mean, what's the best commercial was obviously, did y'all watch the Super Bowl? Yep. Yeah.

What was the best commercial? Well, my favorite was the Weather Tech commercial because it was hilarious. The ones I always laugh at are the ones of some little business that you've never heard of before. And you know they just roll the dice. Like, you'll be, it's using the second half, which rates are probably cheaper. And it's just some company that's just some random business thing. you're like, what? What was that?

That was somebody taking everything they had and putting it all out in the table and saying, I'm hoping this will get us some more business. Well, 30 seconds cost $8 million. $8 million. I kept looking for the unashamed ad. Well, it was crazy was all of a sudden it was just kind of to go in with your Song of Solomon theme.

It was just a breast commercial from every conceivable wangle. I hate to say this, but I didn't miss that one. And I thought, this is terrible. What are we doing? But then when it got to the end, it was breast cancer, yeah. Yeah, I thought, okay, I forgive you. Because, you know, their point was a pretty good one. Which actually, you're right.

When we were all watching that in real time, because all my grandkids are there, we went from, like, complaining and where's the remote to then cheering by the end? Because it's like, oh, you know, ma'am's got breast cancer. You know, so it was like, well, that's what I thought. I thought if you want to just really do. draw people's attention to something, I'll offer you forgiveness on that. Yeah. I saw someone posted on Instagram. It was a picture of the halftime show.

I'm Generation X, and it said, Gen X, I would say something about how that has never been more confused in their life. I didn't quite get the whole, I feel like the pop culture is like leaving me behind. Well, my take on it was, I didn't understand it at all. because it's obviously not my genre of music or whatever, because I just couldn't understand it. Like, I couldn't hear the words or get them. But I thought, well, they're not exposing body part.

Some of the halftime shows in the last 10 years have been just lewd. And it wasn't that. So I thought, well, that's good. And, you know, they had the red, white, and blue light dancers. And I thought, well, there's a little bit of patriot. So I took the positives out of it, but I have to admit, I don't get it. It's not my. It obviously wasn't made for it.

me. Y'all should follow my lead. I mean, once they went in a different direction for halftime shows, which Miss and I was trying to figure out when that was, but it's been at least a decade. Yeah, about a decade. We don't even, we don't even watch it. Yes, I mean, when it's, I feel like it was the, the Justin Timberlake, Janet Jackson when he, yeah, that kind of started it.

Maybe that's when I left the building, but then we muted it and actually. We called one of our kids, I think. We just talked the whole time. I mean, I had a hard time watching the game. It was, I mean, it was just a strapping. I mean, it was. Well, we watched it because we were kind of rooting for the Eagles. I really don't know why.

Well, it's funny because I didn't have a dog in the hunt, but then Lisa and I are going to Kansas City later this week because we're doing an event this weekend near there. And so I found myself pulling for the Eagles because I thought, oh, man, I don't want to have a parade in town while we're there and trying to get around and get to my event. Well, that reminded me why I was written for the Eagles. Duh.

I have an event in Philadelphia this year. And I was like, now you got a lead. I said, babe, if Philadelphia doesn't win this, my opening line is going to be, are you all over it yet? I was like, so I think I'd rather them win. And I told her, I said, I really,

because I watch football. And without commercials and without the halftime show, you know, I watch the Reds. I don't like commercials or any kind of outside influence. Yeah. And I met Scott Hanson at the Tebow event who does the NFL Red Zone, and I love this guy. Yeah. He's awesome.

He loves the Lord. He's a good guy. And so I just told her, I was like, I think Philadelphia, before the game started, I said, I think Philadelphia is the better team. I picked them by 10. And I think they're going to win. Yeah, I picked them by 10. So then we were kind of, we were rooting for them.

And so now I can't wait to be in Philadelphia. I can't wait to be in Philadelphia. Of course, I saw the way they celebrated the win, and I thought, Oh, they burned to sugar down. Now I realize why I'm called to Philadelphia. Yeah. It's a mission filled. Yeah, well, I just need to teach them the proper way to celebrate.

When did that, when did, how many years of instance that called on? Like, okay, we won, we're happy, so let's destroy things. I think it has to do with the amount of alcohol that's been. We're back to the screwdriver's out. Do you think they were drinking there? Jay's. Do I think they were drinking there? What gave it away?

Taring down stop signs and traffic lights? I read one headline. If you look in the backdrop, there's people falling down without people pushing them. They're just staggering falling down. It looked like a big wind was blown. I did see the cocktails at the actual Super Bowl. I didn't do the research on. I just read the headline.

It said $60 for a cocktail. So you're going to pay for it. you want to get, you know, drunk. $60. Well, the Super Bowl was at New Orleans. All the Philadelphia, I think they were just getting hammered and watching it. And then they went to the streets. Did you notice, I think it was in the pregame, they showed the comparison.

So the very first Super Bowl, the average ticket cost was $12. And this year was $5,850. Yeah. The average ticket. Well, I saw somewhere that in the late 60s a Super Bowl ad cost $37,000, which is a a lot. Yeah. And now it's $8 million.

Yeah, exactly. So, and that arrow, they had a chart, and that thing has gone straight up. Were you all as shocked as me that no sitting U.S. president had ever been to an actual super buff? I was surprised. I was shocked. Because I think that's low-hanging fruit. Like, if you're the president.

And I was really surprised that he got cheered and Taylor Swift got booed. Got booed. It was crazy. It was bizarre. I thought, what's happening? Which kind of talks about that different mood change you were talking about. I'm just kind of general. Well, I actually brought up.

And Lauren Daigle knocked it out of the park. Oh, yeah, had our own Lauren Daigle represented. Yeah, Lizzie and a girl. She was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she sings about Jesus.

Yeah. She's a real deal. I went to an event at Angola prison, and she was there with us. And there was about 15 of us that went back into the death row area and just kind of met with some of the inmates, prayed with them. They had really just bring hope. Hope behind bars, you know, you think about, I mean, Phil spoke there before, one of the greatest lines ever, you can be under lock and key and still be free.

And I was, me and Jill have commented just watching her interact with people. She's such a sweet person, amazing, genuine, loving person that was pretty, but she did great. I thought she represented Louisiana very well. I agree. And Mary Coddick, Jr. Was he on there? Was he on there?

Yeah. I missed him. Yeah, he did it at the end of the pregame show. I didn't see all the. pre-games stuff. I love the tribute stuff they did, like, to what had happened in New Orleans, and I just thought that was really well done.

Yeah, and it's not, you know, like, you think about it, even in five years, just the idea that we're like saying, man, yay, the law enforcement to first of it. It was just, I thought it was very, very powerful. I thought the NFL did a nice job with that, you know, because some of the stuff they've done in the past, I'm like, yeah,

I thought that was a lot better. How is, Phil? Well, it comes and goes. Comes and goes. I mean, I think he had a pretty rough week with a, he had another back procedure, which I think this is number six or seven. Seems to get a little harder to come out from under the anesthesia every time. He did.

He was seeming a fog for a few days and kind of, you know, doing a little bit bizarre things. But a week later, I mean, yesterday he seemed to be done. doing a little better. A little more targeted. It's like we're losing each time, it's like it's that much harder to come back mentally. I mean, he's kind of got two things working against him physically and then mentally. Yep. And so they're compounding each other.

So we're doing our best to make them comfortable. Yep. We've gotten them closer to town, you know. Which has been much more helpful for us to take care of them properly and cook for them and everything. That's a big deal. It is, but they seem excited about it and for the most part. Last thing Dad said to me yesterday, Jason, when I was leaving and telling them by,

he said, well, I don't know. Keep visiting us. And I said, okay, Dad, I will, I promise. And when I'm in town, I'll be here every day. Yeah, we appreciate your prayers. But that's the goal now. I think they both realize that, you know, we're in the past and the legacy down stage because there's really no cure for my dad's condition.

And we're not underestimating the power of God. He can do anything you wants at any time, which to go back to that boy I met, and his name is Mason. So for you prayer warriors, if you want to put Mason on your prayer list, I mean, the boy has a brain tumor and they can't do anything about it.

And despite this kid's attitude being great, I mean, I know that's got to be difficult. And so, you know, we don't underestimate the power of God. But where things are now and my dad, I mean, there just seems to be no way to reverse what's going on. So, yeah. And so we appreciate the support because now it's more just us making sure that they're comfortable and taking care of them too. Zach, I did. I forgot to tell you, I met a couple in when I was in Citraina, Alabama, that has met you and Jill. They actually brought supplies up to you guys. And they have a, they have a son named Slade who met Bear.

at camp here at Camp Chioca and he's coming back to the Somervoir. You remember them? I did. They were at that little church. I was that way up there in Central Alabama and they said to tell you hello. But I just thought, man, what a small world that I run across this couple who had actually physically come and supported the hurricane relief work in your area. Oh, yeah.

It was a lot of how many people we had come up from the Unashamed Nation to help us. I mean, it was a lot, quite a bit. And one of my favorite stories was a lady who had listened to the podcast, wanted to be baptized. I think I told this story before. I think it's cool, though. She wanted to get baptized. I connected her with local church in another part of North Carolina. She gets baptized in that church, becomes part of that church, her and her and her whole family.

They all come to know Jesus. And then they brought an entire group from that church to come serve here for about four days. And I thought, man, the kingdom is. is just amazing when you see God's people come together. And one thing happens today that has repercussions, you know, three years later that you never, you never see coming. Well, there was a couple there, Jace, that had two, there were two boys there, and I guess there were two different families.

They were about 11 and 12. And so the boys were there at the beginning, and then they left, of course, when the marriage event started. But one of his name was Jace. And he said, this is Jace. I said, hey, Jay's. And I said, how are you? And he said, I think he said, he's 11.

And I said, were you named after like our Jace? And he looked at it and he said, yes, sir. And I said, I'm so sorry. And everybody started laughing, you know. But I mean, he was literally named after you. And then the parents told me they love the show. And so, but I just wonder how many young Jases are out there running around America? I don't know.

It's a big responsibility. I know. I just hope they turn out well. Yeah, me too. Well, that's why I'm talking about Jesus so much. which in our prep for where we are in John 1, you know, when we left off where it says the next day, John was there again with two of his disciples.

That's in verse 35. So when he said, you know, he saw Jesus passing by and said, look, the Lamb of God, which we had discussed earlier what that meant. But then these two disciples come up there, and he's like, well, what do you want? But I've been thinking about that a lot because here we are, you know,

when I was in that airplane seat, talking to the agent, I basically made that same claim. I was like, he's like, what do you do? Which most in our culture, we always say, what do we do for money? Yeah. But I've tried to change that. So when people ask me, what do you do? That's my answer. I'm like, I follow Jesus or I'm a disciple of Jesus.

Because it immediately then breaks the eye. for what that means. Then usually when they hear what they wanted to have answered, which is what do you do for a living, which they think is interesting. Oh, your own TV, make duck calls. These are interesting things. Because if you just say, you know, I'm an attorney accountant.

I mean, it's not that those aren't important. We love it. But the same time, it's like, what do you say, I mean, that's a lot of people doing that. But when you say, you know, I make duck calls and I'm on TV. Yeah, I'm an entertaining. Apparently, like, oh, well, that's interesting. But I like the fact that they think it's more interesting that I didn't lead with that.

Yeah. I mean, I just was laying down who I am here. And now we can talk about this other stuff. Right. Which what I'm, my point was when the conversation ended, he didn't, he didn't end on duck calls or TV or agent. He was like, he was trying to then assert his religious background, which was, may the Lord bless everything.

I remember something I heard in a class somewhere. But I was bringing that up because, you know, I had all these notes on what I was going to do for my speech, which none of that worked. When you get up, it's just like you tend to go to, default setting. And so I never looked at them. But what I wanted to bring up with y'all, what I found interesting is in this little

interaction of making the disciples. And I might have read this somewhere, but when you think about why God chose this plan and why John goes through and writes the way he did, because this first chapter is like, it's kind of an overview of the big, picture on the plan of God. Yeah. It's more than an overview to a letter. It's an overview to everything.

Yeah. So then, like, as you read this, you're constantly going back to what he introduced. So I've really been looking at it through those glasses, I guess. And you know what really kind of just hit me between the eyes, which I guess I knew this. I'd never thought about it. But think about what Jesus did. and why he had to go to the right hand. Now, one, we make the point accurately from Hebrews

that he's there on our behalf in God's presence because he's made atonement for our sins. You know, think about Hebrews 1 where it says, after he provided purifications for sins, this is 1 through 3, he sat down at the right hand of the majesty of heaven. And so I get that's a part of it. But when you read chapter 6, chapter 7, chapter 8 of Hebrews,

it's kind of deeper there. It's like he's our sacrifice that's living forever. But also another thing is by him doing that and remaining a man, he's bound to one location. So if he then could pour out his spirit And thank Galatians 4, 1 through 6, where it says he's given us the spirit of his son. Yep. Well, he now could be in multiple places at one time, which would become a ministry of showing humanity,

heaven and God on the earth. Yes. So what hit me in that was, you remember in 2nd Corinthians, I didn't know. noticed, because it made me go back and read 2, 2, all the way through the first part of chapter 6. On how many times he's talking about this ministry, this ministry, this ministry, this ministry. And it's the, he calls it the

ministry of the Spirit. Yeah. And it's like humans that have become Jesus on the earth and I thought, what what a plan this is from God's perspective? Yeah. Have you ever thought about that? Yeah. And it's, I love

it that you're in it. It's a multiplication model idea because I always say Jesus could have stayed on earth and then beamed himself around the planet to do whatever he wanted to. But in his infinite wisdom, he understood it was better to have us do that. It was like we were just describing on this podcast. I mean, this past weekend, you were in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I'm in Citroneau, Alabama, and Zach is in Portland, Oregon. The three of us do this podcast, and we share our Bible study together, and it beams out to a lot of people, but then sometimes we go out and we were in three individual places the same weekend sharing the same message face to face to people. That's exactly what Christ did through the Holy

Spirit. You've got the central message of who God is, but then by giving us the Spirit, now we're able to be literally around the world at the same time. I mean, it was a brilliant, the brilliant plan. So Second Corinthians 3-7 actually uses that phrase that says if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, because he's talking about Moses and the Ten Commandments, it says, came with glory so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading through it, fading though it was,

will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? I like that little phrase, the ministry of the Spirit. which then he leads to something that we've read many times where it says in verse 17 in chapter three now the lord is the spirit and where the spirit of the lord is there's freedom and we who with unveiled faces all reflect the lord's glory are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory which comes from the lord who it who is the spirit but it made me think of the big picture of john when he said in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,

and then the Word became flesh, verse 14. But when you go back to creation, and you have God and the Holy Spirit hovering over the waters, and then God said, let there be light. So boom, then creation is born, and they go through it all, and it's all good, it's all good, it's all good. And then it gives to 26, and it's like, and let us make man in our image.

When I started thinking about this, here's Jesus becoming a human as the image of God. Then here's us becoming a new creation who were originally made in the image of God. And what is the image supposed to represent? It's reflecting people who come to you back to the original creator. Right. Which I thought, man, this thing is going full circle here.

That's what the intent of humans, that was the intent of having humans. Right. Is that we then could be used by God to show who he is on the earth to other humans who haven't figured it out yet. Yeah, I love it. And in fact, one last thing before we wrap,

because since we've been talking about the Super Bowl, by waiting to the end of the game, which was obviously over, but we just kept watching it because we were just watching the commercials and talking. And I'm so glad I waited to the end because when it ended, and then they were doing the interview with the coach and Jalen Hertz and the winners, obviously, God and Jesus were mentioned so many times.

Oh, a shock. The coach mentioned him four or five times. And even made sure and said the name Jesus with God. It wasn't just, you know, all glory to God, which I don't take anything lightly, especially when you've got 120 million people watching. I mean, I'm praising God their mission. But it was more, they felt more emboldened to invoke the name of, God and Jesus in those moments.

And it kind of, like Jason, we talked about earlier, about me being a Dodger fan. It kind of expanded my idea. It's really more about teams and who wins to really who's out there fighting the big battle, which is the most important. So I had so much respect for those guys for doing that. And I was super encouraged by that. I was too. Which is good.

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