Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1040 | Jase Considers Doing a NEW TV Show & the Lawsuit that Forced Jase to Resign from Church Work

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

Al’s trip behind-the-scenes of the production office reveals that the much-contemplated “Judge Jase” tv show might actually be gaining some traction, but the crew needs Unashamed Nation to weigh in on it! Zach’s wheels start spinning with the possibilities, and Missy takes a moment to admire Jase’s woodchopping muscles after he spends the weekend helping a neighbor with a fallen tree. Plus, the REAL reason Jase resigned from church work after an illustration gone wrong results in a threat of frivolous litigation. — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We have one of our favorite contributing participants to the Unashamed podcast, Missy. I call you Jay's Truth Detector, Missy, you know, because he, it's kind of deep in here. Sometimes I have to wear my hip boots, you know, with some of the stuff he says. So we'd love having you in to just, you know, make sure. Can I tell you the back?

story on this. I love, there's always a backstory. So I did this event this past weekend, and I lost my voice. And like day one, I had zero vocal ability. And Missy said it was the greatest two days of her. That is not true. That is so not true. You just made that up. See, this is why I can't listen to the podcast. This is why we had to have a cheat. Because I'm not here to say, that is not true. Babe, how many times in the last two days have you said, how come you're not talking? You're not saying my... And I'll point to my voice.

Maybe she's just saying it to pitch herself in reality to say, oh, thank you, Lord. Jay's not talking. That's what you were. The same thing, the same thing have happened to my parents, which because now, since they're both not doing great, but... It hasn't stopped your mom from talking.

Well, it hasn't. But my dad, all of a sudden, he wants to be with mom. mom at all times, which I think is very sweet and cuddly. And I thought my mom has wanted this for years. And now she's responding the exact opposite way that I thought she would. She was like, he's driving me crazy. I can't get up and go to the bathroom without him saying, where are you going? It's very true. For years, Kay, you wanted his time. So now that's why, you know, Missy and I, I think we have a healthy relationship because she's like, go do something. I do not say that.

Is that why he cuts wood, missy? He doesn't cut wood anymore. I've had to buy it the last thing. I just cut a whole tree in our neighbor's yard, of which they gave me a little. That's true. You did. That's true. Yeah.

I'm just, I'm doing a little. Are you are buying the wood? Did you buy the wood too? I bought the wood. I cut a whole tree that was. this big around. Babe, you were doing our neighbors a huge favor because if they tried to do it, they would hurt themselves.

It was a dead tree and you were helping them. We got wood out of it, but not enough for a season. Well, right. I wasn't. It was dependent on however much they gave us, even though I did cut the tree up and I cut it into blocks. You did good. I'm just checking your muscle.

I literally thought I had something on my shirt. For those of you Listened She's kind of like muscle checking On Karen Which is just blush He does He does bring up the wood chopping

All the time about That's why he's in shape So it's interesting to hear That it's not quite as often As he makes it sound It's not as often But I'm telling you I took some videos

And some pictures Because he got read in on it During the holidays And they were both Working really hard That tree was brutal I love it Do you have a wood splitter?

Are you He is the wood splitter Woodspiter. What kind of question? Zach, you're looking at the wood splitter. You know why I think Unashamed Nation works? Because we're representing different segments of our culture. And Zach has taken over the yuppified section of our world.

Do I have a wood splet? To quote, Jesus, our Lord and Savior, I am the wood splitter. That's taken a little out of context. That's not in the Bible, just so. If you're listening and trying to find that scripture, not in the Bible. I'm saying I go by 1995 Acts, which it's technically a mall. And I split it. But you know what I take great satisfaction in?

It's because my son, I mean, he's in shape. He does all these normal yuppie workouts or whatever. He's like a cross trainer, right? I don't know what he is, but he's in shape. Yeah, I think that's what he was into. What I've noticed is when they come out there and they see old dad, over there chopping wood. They're like, yeah, dad, let me help you.

But they don't understand the technique involved. And what they don't realize. Because they're strong and then there's country strong. Well, it's not, it is a certain amount of strength, but it's also where you're hitting that log. Right. And I just, nobody taught me how to do it. I just learned because I used to cut firewood for a living.

Remember those days? I do. I did it long enough to realize. We did it as kids for Paul when we were very young. So we learned that. I did it for money, and I just completely totaled my vehicle during the process, which I only paid $1,500 for it. But because we would load it full of wood, and if it was a wet.

So when you total a vehicle worth $1,500, you're actually just putting it out of its misery, Jace, at that point. No, it was working. We needed that. I know. I remember I had something like that, too. It led to me because you get frustrated when you do this for money. Yeah.

And I was trying to get out, and they had this hot rod engine in the truck, the shell of the truck. And so it had too many RPMs going, and the tires, especially when you had it loaded down with logs, it just slid so much. And so I kept banging into trees on the way out of the woods with the logs, which led to me being unable to open either door because I slammed into trees. And once it started, I didn't even try to avoid them. You just went Duke's a hazard after that. I went Duke's a hazard. Right through the window. And I would just ping pong my way out of the woods, bouncing off trees.

So I don't even know while we're talking about that. I have no idea while we're talking about it. Welcome to Unashame. This is what we do. What I was saying is, is Reed, you know, he got up there way stronger than me. But he would hit that log in the wrong spot, and he just would try to hit it harder. and he had tried to hit it harder. And I'm just right beside him, just wham, bam, boom,

it's just moving. And he's like, I can't figure this out. He wouldn't say that, but he would just hit it harder. I was thinking, still got to figure out there's technique in all this. Well, you know, Dave, so Sunday in my sermon, I'd realize now you were on the road, so you didn't get to hear it. But I quoted you, well, actually I quoted the way you do things in my sermon because I was in Ephesians 3-1,

and I said, this is a thought within a thought, within a thought. Because Paul starts there with it for this reason, but he picks it up in verse 14. So his whole 2 through 13 is a rabbit hole in the text.

Of what book? This is Ephesians. I'm sorry, I miss it. So a thought within a thought. A thought within a thought. I think you need to make a bigger deal of the last. It's like, it's a thought within a thought of a thought.

of a thought. Well, there you go. Well, I knew you would understand this. So I said, and here's how I got this point to understand to be able to preach to you today is because this is on the podcast, what we call a rabbit hole. And Jace is the Elmer Fudd of the Unashamed podcast. Now, I had to explain that to anybody under 50 because I don't know who Elmer Fudd is, that he would chase down the wascally Wabbit, right?

So I said, but this is what we do. We have a thought, and then it leads to a thought that then Jace takes. to the, as you describe, the thought within the thought. So I did quote you as the great rabbit hole chaser. I think it had been a better joke, if you had to say. They laugh for you. We also have a guy who dresses like Elmer Fudd that is not Jace. Now, that would have been funny.

I wish I'd have thought of that. His name is. So, Jace is Elmer Fud. Zach dresses like Elmer Fud. Excellent, Jace. Missy, they asked, One of the most common questions in the comments is does Zach, does he even like Zach? That is a common question.

They were sensing a genuine hatred for our cousin, our beloved cousin, Zach. If you haven't noticed by now, Jace, we'll call you out. He will call you out if he doesn't agree with you or if he just needs more clarification. Both with you. Missy. He hasn't even tore down the fourth wall and commented on how Zach does ads on the podcast, which we never talk about that. That's the most exciting thing about this podcast.

What? Yeah, I told Zach to bring in an exorcist because he's bringing on all these guests, you know, brain scanners and doctors. And he's trying to, you know, get out there in the world and let's see where people are. Most of them are about behavioral science. I noticed that. And I'm like, we need an exorcist to come in. in and figure out why Zach when he reads an ad turns into a world wrestling

uh federation commentator i have a question i'm not an exorcist so i can't help you at that why am i here today well you're here because my voice is not working so i well we we had a cancellation too so we had another thing planned you were you were a ringer that man you're just we had one of your friends coming in and it didn't work out because the weather we have But a couple coming in. We'll save that for a future podcast. Okay, when Jay's came in this morning and we realized they weren't coming, he was like, you want to come anyway?

And I said, what, why? What am I going to talk about? And I still haven't really got an answer to that. So I don't like to come unprepared. We never have an answer. We always have a general idea. So while you're here, Missy, let me ask you this. Maybe Missy can help with this.

So I walk in, I'm showing some visitors around our setup here because we got our new studio. Is this the first time you've been? This is. It's great. Yeah, it's our new studio. And so, like, all of our producers, you know, for all the podcast and everything, or just right across the hall, Sadie's podcast room and all that.

So I'm taking them in there where there's a big whiteboard. And I'm like showing people around there like, what is this? And I look at it. And I have no idea. It says Judge Jace at the top of it. And then it's got all these little, it's like a Venn diagram underneath it with all these things that's pointing to. And they were like, what is that?

And I was like, I have no idea. This is somebody's idea of a sick joke. So I don't know. What is this about? I told J.S. And he, this is kind of funny because probably the biggest podcast by the numbers that we've had in the last year, outside of Officer Phil's diagnosis. But was when we talked about a show concept called Judge Jace, which would be kind of like a people's court-ish type show, but for kind of rednecks. we talked about it on the show

Jace doesn't even remember I'm like yeah that episode read it did really well he's like what episode I said the one about Judge Jace he said what are you talking about I have no memory

He never told me any of that Babe I'm not real sure That this is Making this up Well he could have dreamed it I'm telling it Somebody's doing diagrams about it So people are talking inwardly

I mean you know But you do know the story The seat belt That was really hard For Jace to get over Is that word lived through that, Zach. Is that where it all got started?

That's where it got started. I thought I did. We felt like you would be better on the other side of the law, levying out justice. That's where the concept came from. You're discussed with the whole system. So, Jace, would it be the defendant? He would be the judge deciding? The judge.

The judge deciding. Small claims court, they come in with their problems. They obviously sign off. I think that would like that. Well, wait a minute. I did a bit on our little duck show, and I don't know what the bit was. You might remember. But they called it on the case with Jace.

Yes. And I think me and Si went to court because. Traffic court. Well, I think, Si. Yeah, we actually went to court. Yeah. My old buddy, Judge Norris is. And I know y'all think we made.

Judge Norris, me as buddy. Yeah. I think y'all think we made all this up on the duck show, but this was actually a thing. Yeah, I never knew. Where I defended him because he had gotten a ticket because he was parking on the bridge. We were fishing. I vaguely remember this. Yeah, you can't park on a road, especially when it says no parking.

But we did it because people in the redneck world fish off bridges. So I was actually- And they take no parking as a suggestion rather than a law. Well. So your role was his defense lawyer. Yeah, we lost. That's been saying. Epic fail.

I do remember that. But if I'd have been the judge, I would have said, I would have. You would have ruled in favor of yourself. I would have settled a redneck issue, which is once you get past the city limits, you are allowed to fish off bridges because people are going to do it anyway. Yeah. And that's just what we did. And we naturally slow down at a bridge in case someone's fishing on it.

Is that my true? Okay, bigger picture. Let's move on. Bigger picture. Sorry, I'm not here for very long. Oh, we got a bailiff here now. Here's the bailiff for Judge. Okay, so here's my question, Zach.

If he's the judge, because, okay, when I, because I love the law and order shows. I love all the trial cases, murder mysteries, things like that. I love all that. So I'm all about truth and justice. So when I think about Jace being a defense lawyer, he is going to create some arguments. Out of the box thinking, even prosecution, like even if you're the prosecutor. But a judge that, from what I've seen, like, take the Alex Murdoch case where he was convicted of murdering his wife and child, gory, horrible, disgusting. Oh, yeah, the one out of

South Carolina. Last summer. Captivized. I was that Netflix special. I was riveted with the, with the live viewing of that. And so you watched the whole trial. I watched a lot. I couldn't watch watch the all of it, but I watched a lot of it. But it came, and that judge, the judge, you're talking about would, could be Jace, is unbiased. I have no way of knowing what he's thinking for days and weeks, months, until the verdict is rendered. Then when he came out with that verdict, there was no, there was no wavery at all in terms of which way he's thinking.

And it was like, it's almost shocking how hard the hammer came down. It was almost shocking because he gave no bias at all. This was at the sentencing phase. At the sentencing, yeah. When the verdict came down and the way his whole speech that he had prepared, it was lengthy, it was emotional, and there was basically that was it. Nail in the coffin. Nail in the coffins.

I'll just say that. What I'm saying, though, is he didn't discuss or anything in front of people. I'm not sure the judge part you could pull off. I think you could pull off. I don't even know what we're talking. about here. Judge Jace would have to keep his mouth shut. That's not going to have.

Until the very end is what I'm saying. But the nature of these kind of shows are you kind of, the judge kind of plays the interrogator as well. I'm thinking a small, small claims. Because it's Judge Judy. Oh, Judge Judy. Like a small claim situation.

Oh, y'all talking about me doing a show. Look, you got to remember this is my life here. And y'all, I don't even. We're talking about him in third person. I'm sitting here. Jay's, we're workshopping right now. We're workshopping about that. But do you guys remember the first one that was ever done like that?

Oh, it was Judge Wapner. Yeah, was it called People's Court? People's Court. Yeah. Oh, classic. It started the whole craze. Now there's judges everywhere. Everybody's a judge.

I mean, I have settled some disputes before, just using Redneck Logic. But I could use common sense. redneck logic and the Bible as the basis because most of these redneck disputes can be settled but they're just because I mean like even Sae he's the

undeclared mayor of their little community and it's like people come up like in Gothic days you know and they're like they give the domestic dispute and they let Saa settle it

I mean they're like you know my wife she's driving me crazy, whatever. We had some bushes planted and... And size says, no, no. Yeah. So I'm like anything is possible if Sye is literally settling disputes, I'm sure. And let's face it, the intriguing part would be all the different disputes that arise between rednecks.

It would be the unusual... A lot of neighbors, probably. Neighboring disputes. I think that's what Judge Judy a lot of times would have to... There's a lot of neighbor disputes, a lot of fence issues. You got the fence on my property. The chickens got loose. Your dog, my cat, the whole, you know, there's, I think you could levy justice fairly, just.

I have a suggestion. You could do like what you did for the metal detecting show. How many people would be interested or currently have disputes with someone that they need common sense logic to figure out? I would like to hear that. Although they have spoken on the first one, the Jace didn't remember. remember, but I would like to know, that would be interesting to hear about other disputes that could be solved in the court of common sense, which is lacking. We have to admit that, James. We thought we had this conversation about something else recently, but it's common sense is

it's making a comeback. Well, I think we have to do what we've always done. Jase is the last, like, three things he's done. He throws it out to Unashamed Nation. What do y'all think? So I think we have to ask the audience. I'm a little, I have a little reservation about this, but if y'all want to do it. I don't mind making a decision. Because I really feel like the older I get, especially when your family gets older, we have older parents that are struggling with their health, and you have your sons and daughters struggling with early marriage, and then you have little kids that now grandkids, I mean, you need somebody to stand up, make a decision. Yeah. And I realize the importance of that, which leads to a conversation, which can be

bumpy. Well, I say if this thing goes, that Missy must be the bailiff. Oh, my. Remember the original? Would you be the bailiff? Would you be the bailiff, Missy? What do you do this show with, Jason? They stand there.

Don't they, like, tackle someone who comes up to the court? They mostly just keep things going. The bailiff, I think she should be a consultant to the judge. Well, bailiff is a consultant. The decision-making process. Zad, do you remember who the original bailiff was on people's court? I do. I can remember his face.

Rusty. Rusty the bailiff. We could be a husband-wife team, though. I would be the one going, let's move along. Let's move along. That's it. That's what I'm saying. You do. You could actually be my personal bailiff.

I can maintain order. I just don't think I can maintain security. We can have an enforcer. We have a beefy person nearby. We'll have a beefy person that can be the enforcer and you'll actually direct the. Well, it's my show. Why not have two bailiffs? One is for order.

One is for security. There's no rules here, man. We do whatever we want. This is making me really nervous. We're workshopping, man. Oh, babe, in the mathematics of God, one plus one equals one. So you are me. I don't know if I can handle that, being there watching that nonsense every day.

Not boy, in it now. I don't know. Babe, I guess the Bible. That's why Missy is a contributor on this podcast, not a regular, I can make a decision. I have the Bible. I have the Holy Spirit. I have common sense, and I have redneck logic.

I am qualified. You could do a trial run. We're talking about changing lives, Missy. There's neighbors that will never get along if we don't do this. We're talking about bringing people together. Okay. I mean, half my verdicts are going to be involving the statement. Let's just saw it into.

Oh, no. If you don't know the reference, that's a biblical reference. I mean, well, I'm saying, I've said for years, following Jesus makes you really smart. Yeah. How many people have come into our house and just said, can you help us fix this? Just in the last 35 years, how many people? Just in the last, I was just like the last year, but 35 years, there's, I cannot count. There's no way.

So I'm like looking around like, you're talking to me? Yeah. But, I mean, you have the Bible, you read it, and it might. makes you smart. Yeah. Which I think that's why our former projects behind it was something smart in that we figured out why we're here, which is why you're here. It took us 25 minutes to figure out why you're here.

The best thing is the number one question in life, babe, is why am I here on Earth? You asked it. The best ones that come to our house or call us on the phone and ask us is our children. So when you get to the point where all of your adult children, are calling and asking your advice and how to help them solve a problem, that's the best gift of all, I think. Yeah. When does that happen?

Because we're not there yet. You will. I got a bunch of experts. You will. I got two to the call, but I got one in particular. I won't say his name. We know you. I know who that is.

He's an expert on everything. My oldest son got in his vehicle with his wife and three kids, three that are three or younger. and drove to my event an hour and a half. Were you there? I was shocked. I was so jealous when I found out there. Reed and Brighton came? Loaded up their kids and went to see him speak.

We're going to see O.J. Right. I have to brag on y'all for a second because this like really made my heart swell with, I don't know what the word I'm looking for is, but I was just like. Godly pride. Yeah, or just like, I'm glad they're around godly people, but I get, Reed sent me a text. out of the blue about three nights ago of him and Brighton and Layla and Max and another couple I didn't know who they were and Dawson playing some kind of

it wasn't it wasn't Dominoes because I said that doesn't look like Dominoes he said no Brighton won't let me play Dominoes you said they get too loud this is called Mexican Dominoes or something like that and but they're playing the game but I was just thankful to think that I have a daughter and son in Nashville and then your kids who are older than my kids are ministering to them and pouring into them. I thought, man, it takes me back to whenever I was about 18 years old hanging out of y'all's house. Yeah.

It's kind of a full-circle moment. Yeah. They're doing really, really well. I mean, they are, they're doing fantastic. And Brighton told me she was going to do that. That's awesome. She's impressed with your kids, too. Well, which, by the way, that's another reason why that we all grew up this way and learned

this, but hospitality is such a huge part of our belief system to have the house where people can come to to be able to do that. We had a group over last night. This was a guy that I shared with years and years ago. Now he's married. He's got two kids. His sister and brother in law in town, their kid. They're all over at the house. It's a place to gather, to grow and to have fellowship. It's important. Yeah, I was interested in your take on the event because my grandkids at first, they all go through the same process. They look at me and they're a little terrified.

Yeah, like people are in an airport. Yeah, based on how I look. Of course, I'm just telling everybody, just give it time, give it time. And Missy was more in a panic because she's like, I mean, this is crazy. Your grandkids shouldn't be scared. of their grandpa. And so, babe, do you remember what happened a few weeks ago?

So we had a little David. David was terrified of Jace, terrified of it. Who was my number one fan the other night at the event? Jay Rock. He sounds like Chubaca from Star Wars. It's when he talks. He says, Joe, wah. That's what he says.

But you're talking about when we went to saw the Christmas lights? No, I'm saying when he, fell down. Yeah. Okay. So that night, so they came over for the holidays.

And they didn't want, well, Maris has passed it. She's, she's all about Jay Rock. It's fine. But David is just, he is all about me.

When I am there, he just wants me constantly. He's a snuggle bunny. He is just precious and he just wants Lulu, which just melts my heart. Well, the weather was so great.

So we dropped the top of the Volkswagen bug and we took them to see the lights on Candy Cane Lane. And we had the best time Maris never stopped talking. I mean, I don't know how she took a breath. She just did-da-da-da-da-da.

Temple Robertson. Female, for sure. And David was like, deer in the headlights, just looking. And he's a little over a year younger than her. And he would sit down on the armrest in between me and Jace. And he would look at Jace. And I didn't hear this, but he would lean, and say, he would lean everyone and go, hey, Jay Walt.

Yeah. And J-Walt. And J-S would say, hey, buddy. We'd go a little bit more and do it again. Hey, Jaywalk. Hey, buddy. We get home. We went and got pizza.

We got home. Somehow, Maris and David were playing with a toy. David tripped and fell down. I mean, head first onto the brick floor. But the parent, Reed and Brightner are there. They never moved. Yeah. Which, I was like, at first I thought,

and then I thought, okay, is he hurt or is he just got his feelings hurt? Then he crawled over to the rug and laid his head down again and kept crying. I was like, okay, he's got his feelings hurt. So I went over there and I rubbed his back and I said, Davy, you want Lulu to hold you? And he raised up and I thought he was going to come right in my arms. And he looked at Jace who was standing in the kitchen and he got up and he ran to Jace with his arms open and he went, Jay Wark! He turned down mom, dad, and Lulu.

I said, what is happening? But I queued the chariots of fire music. You left that off. I could hear it in the background. And it went into surprise. slow motion as he ran the little legs. And just laid his head on Jason's chest. I was just like, what?

What universe am I in right now? Just give it time. Give it time, babe. You know what he needed, Missy? To go to Jay's, trauma. I guess so. He said that you were a man who could levy justice fairly. That's it.

I'm running to that guy. He's decisive. Judge Chase. He's a common sense. decisive leader. It did turn into top 10 memories of Jay Ross's life. It was really cute. It was awesome. We had a good time at the event, which turned into chaos, because I'm back there in the green room with three grandkids and people coming in and it was like, then it was like, oh, I got to get up and speak. That's basically how it went. I think we hadn't hit the grand kid phase yet. I'm always,

I'm very curious of how that's going to, it seems like it's going to be a lot. There's no way to adequately explain it. People would try to tell me there. There's no love like a grandparents' love. You treat them differently than you treat your kids. There are no words for me to explain to you what this is going to be like. There's just not. I can try all day long, but until you experience it for yourself, you will never understand it. It is a love like you have never known in your life, really.

Really? I'm going to more than that. And you know what's interesting is, Missy, that now, because I'm the owes and the family, so now my grandkids are getting married, which is a whole other next level. And so my other grandkids make fun of Carly because she always wants to hang out with Joey. Like he's out working. He's a worker. You know, he builds stuff.

And so he's out working on stuff. Well, she sits out there with him. Well, at least not a look at that. We're so proud of that because it's like they want to be together. That's the way we were. We first got together. And it'll be sparks and all that stuff. But we realize that because we're now three generations into watching this.

Now, the other ones are like, oh, carly can't do anything without Joey. And I'm like, leave them alone. They're building a life together. So it's like you get to see this experience of watching your legacy grow in real time. It's an amazing thing. The Bible's full of in the Old Testament especially. I mean, to generation, to generation, to generation, and you're right, the swell of a heart just gets more proud with every generation.

I think part of it is, and could be, is watching my own children. child, raise that child, and doing a fantastic job. I don't know if Reed was a terrible father, if I would love Maris and David and Francis less. I don't think that I would. But there's just, there's no explanation. So I'm trying to explain what it could possibly be. I'm so impressed with Reed and Brighton and the way that they handle their family and the way they handle their relationship and the way they divide their time and how hard they were, all of that. But then when I see my grandkids face and they come running at me like they've been waiting with baited breath for days and weeks to see me.

There is just no other feeling in the world like that. Yeah, whatever they're doing is working because when I was at the event, my assistant said, well, I can probably ask about getting the green room so that Brighton can take the kids back once you start speaking. And I was like, I don't think that's going to be a problem. She's not going to need that. Problem with them. So I sat on the last podcast, I went 53 minutes because my assistant that I just met

failed to blow the duck call at 35. But they sat there and never said a word. And they clap when they were supposed to do. They laughed when they were supposed to you. She said it was a little late. You know, like I'd tell a joke. Some people would laugh. Then Maris would look around and like, oh, ha, ha, ha.

That's so cute. I know it was funny. And they were a little late on the clapping. Oh, we're clapping now. But I thought it was pretty impressive. Whatever they're doing, have three kids, three, two, and one. And to sit there for 50-something minutes was impressive.

But, Jays, think about it from our perspective of how now, you're talking about legacy building. We used to be young and be in a setting where we're watching dad get up in front of audiences for the first time. It started out just duck stuff. like the U banquets and all that, but it then grew into him preaching and sharing the gospel of people.

And we were the same way. We were the kids watching. And our kids were watching their grandpa. And we just ran this little clip, Missy, recently, because we were talking about dad being John the Baptist at one of the church dramas. And the way he, memory comes down the aisle and he's like, you know, who flee,

who told you to flee from the coming wrath? Well, we found that. Mattie's like, can you find that? I was like, it's on VHS somewhere. She's like, I'll convert it if you get it to it. And she did. She's on the pocket. All these people, I can't believe this.

And I'm like, yeah, that was dad. Like, that was 30 years ago in his prime, like being John the Bad was in a church drama. But I thought that's what you want to create that going forward so that each generation, your grandkids now get, they'll get to experience. As they get older, it'll be J-Rock up sharing the gospel of people. What better a thing than that? But it's also about training your children to actually sit there and listen for 53 minutes. That's an unheard of these days.

It's everyone ends up in the foyer because they can't control their, no, they don't say they can't control their child. Their child is not able because they're two or three or whatever the reason is to sit there in that pew when that was just expected when we were younger. There was no, let's go play in the foyer because you've had enough. Well, and a lot of churches too now we've like shipped the kids out. They're not even a part of the service anymore. Yeah.

Which I think sad because I grew up watching, like this, communion every Sunday for me. I think about like my most, one of the most formative things in my faith was watching that communion service Sunday after Sunday after Sunday after Sunday. I mean, and like that shapes your imagination and it gets so deep into your soul when you form that way. And we just said, kids, y'all go out there because y'all are kind of a nuisance. And then we wonder why like they can't, we can't, like, they can't even focus what we've like entertained them to death. I mean, I think that's a really good point. We had an All-Together service a couple of weeks ago,

and we actually had, we had AK with us because he had spent a night. And so I packed a bag, you know, knowing that we were going to all be together. And he did really well. Yeah. We're also potty training right now. So it went out a couple of times just to make sure, you know, there was no accidents. But he did really well in that setting. It's like it can be done.

Yeah. It just takes a lot of time. My mom had a technique. Y'all know. She taught, didn't she teach you in school or something, my mom? Yes, Zach. She taught me in school, fourth grade, and she gave me my first, well, actually, my only paddling, I think that's the story goes.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I said, y'all didn't know that. I know her in that story. No. She did. Yeah, so mom had a thing, we called, later I termed at the Vulcan death grip, you know,

that Spock used to do that thing, and on the shoulders. and it would incapacitate. She had a deal where she could like, like, pinch you, but, like, it was like her face was completely normal. Like, hey, how's it going? Like, the anger was all in the pinch. And so when you're cutting up, I mean, she just, and you're just like, ah, yeah.

But her face would look completely normal. And you would not, so if you were watching her, you'd be, why is that kid acting that way? Because he's being abused by his mom, but her face looked normal. Jay's had a thump. He had a thump. He would put that middle finger behind his thumb.

I can't even physically do it. You got to get way back. I have one of the world's greatest powerful thumps. And it's a talent. But you got that from grandpa, my grandpa. Well, it's just something about my fingers. I don't know if it's because I built so many dog calls and knobby. But when I thump a kid, they'll never forget it the rest of their life.

A kid. Your kid, not anybody else's kid. I've thumped other kids, right? I mean, the statute of limitations is passed on all of, there's not, this sounds like a case for Judge J's. Compared to what, man, I always raised in. We've recovered. It's a wonder that we didn't have permanent maiming that went out.

I mean, my mom, she'd get the old ring finger with the ring and pia. A wooden spoon. Yeah, but that's what they did. I mean, look, I got into a lot of trouble. You know, I was only an intern for how long now? Not long. About a year. What?

No. No. I know. I have no idea. It was like four years because Reed was born in 95 and he started working for your dad in January of 95. Somewhere in between there. He was part-time for a while, I know that. Four years and four months as you were.

So I was teaching. And Mice would know because there was no money. There was no money. No money. I had to make up for the rest. You were the Bradwinner at the Women's Lennet. You're back there. He was.

So I had this story that I think I told. before, but it's been a few hundred podcasts ago. So I had these two kids, because I taught the junior high class. And even though I retired from my internship, I continued to teach that junior high class. So I'm not sure when this happened in there. Did you have retirement from internship? Yeah. You just quit.

Well, I told them, I'm resigning. And they're like, when you're an intern, you just quit. It wasn't. They didn't say, oh, we hate to see you. They didn't give you a party or anything. So here's what I did. I'm teaching this junior high class. class, which I love teaching the junior high because they were at an age where they're kind of

what we're talking about. And no one ever says that, by the way. Well, they're trying to figure out why they're here. But Jason's whole weird personality fits junior high perfectly. Yeah, for some reason. Some reason they connect. And I can give you some tips. You're probably the best junior I teach we ever had at our time.

Well, you know what I got down to in my philosophy was try to get them to stop and consider one thought. Yeah. So it's just my outline got to one thought. And then I just tried to get that one thought in their head. And so I had these two boys that were just disrupting. And everything I tried to do that usually worked, which is my famous thing, would be, I'll throw you out of this class and you'll have to get a sign, you know,

a letter from your parents or guardian to get back in the class. I acted like you're not forced to be here. This is a privilege that I'm granting you. Your parents will have to get you back in. Well, none of that worked for them. They were just disruptive. So that didn't work. So I thought, I've got to do something to these kids because they're disrupting my class.

So I pulled them to the side after class one night. I was like, look, I got a $100 bill out. I said, next week, if you're good and don't disrupt my class, I'll give you this $100. and their eyes got big. And because the reason I had done that, because I had $100. That's why it was the, where did you get out? As an interim. Did you steal it?

I think it may have been a $5. No, I had a $100 bill. I don't know where I had, I didn't get it, miss. I don't know where I had come in contact with, but I had the $100. His memory's over 30 years old. Let's remember that. But it was in response to because when I said, when I said,

why can't y'all, you know, you're cutting up, you're disrupting the class. but they both shrug their shoulders and said, oh, well, we have ADD, which at that stage of my life, I'd never heard of that. And I was like, what is that? They're like, well, we can't pay attention.

So we have to take, you know, pills or whatever. I was like, well, whatever you're taking, it's not working. So then I just thought of that. I was like, I'll give you $100 if you pay attention. And I said, take it or leave it. And they said, we'll take it. So the next week, we get in there.

and they were perfect gentlemen. And so after the class, they came on. I was like, I want a hundred dollars. I was like, you're not getting $100. Because there was nothing wrong with you. And you didn't have $100. Your motivation, yeah, because that $100 bill that I showed them, that'd been gone. I didn't have $100.

He borrowed that from Doyle Jennings or something. As funny as this story is, you would think, okay, that worked. You proved a point. to them that there was nothing wrong with them. It was their motivation. So I felt like a genius. Well, the next week before class starts, here's a woman comes up to me, irate. And she's, I was like, what's wrong with it?

She's like, you owe my kids $100. And I was like, oh, those are your kids? Yeah, you said you're going to give them $100 and they actually go. And I was like, they're not getting $100. I'm saving you money. You're the person that I've been looking for. I've saved you. You can cancel that prescription that they have.

I'm going to save you way more than $100 on drugs because there's nothing wrong with them. All they needed to do. This is why you need to be Judge Jays, this sort of thing is. So look, so you think that solves the problem. She said, I'm suing you. Oh, boy. So she goes to the elders who then comes to me. Yeah, who comes to me.

And I thought they were going to say, Jay's great illustration. and we got your back. And, old Carl Allison's like, I think you need to give this woman $100. Because you said it, I was like, it was all a prop to prove a point. It was based on a lie to start with. There's nothing wrong with these two boys.

So now you're saying I'm lying. Well, I came up with a lie based on your lie to prove that there's no lies except the ones you're being told. Two lies, make one truth. Oh, man. I'm not paying you. you $100, I'll see you in court. Well, next thing you know, I'm resigning.

So, you know, that wasn't a major reason. This was a case for Judge James. I mean, this is it. This is exactly what we're talking about. This is what we're looking for. These are the kind of stories that people need to see. I actually think there may be enough material out there for a show after I listening to this. I wasn't doing that as a preview for the show.

I'm saying I was right. All the kids needed. I mean, there's two big takehomes there. One, what we just said, it is the case for Judge Jace, but two, you did solve, you solved a major crisis in America. You have figured out how we can win this battle against ADHD. $100 at a time. Jace was taken on Big Pharma before we knew about Big Pharma.

You need to meet with RFK. I think this is a worthy study for the, that they can put. some of that money into that they're taken out of the U.S. paid. We also found out what Zach, we also found out what Zach, I mean, what Jason's internship was worth $100. $100. He said that's all like that.

He walked away for the hundred bucks. It was like, I bet the church paid the $100. Yeah, that's my question. I was just so disappointed because I thought I solved this lie. There was nothing wrong with those two boys. and I get it. Look, it was what you think. It was true to dad around.

At the time, it was true. You know, she's doing the best she could, you know, but I was like, well, I'm going to be a man in their life here and say, there's nothing wrong with you. Right. You sit in there and shut up. Will you do it for $100? Well, look, if they wouldn't have been able to do it, you know, okay, they may have had a case.

They were perfect gentlemen. You know, it's funny that all of our, all of the stuff that we, the incentives that we got, we never got positive incentives. We always got negative incentives. There was never, if you do this, you'll get something good. It's, it's, it's, I'm going to, it was, you're getting the Vulcan nerve pinch for yours. Vulcan nerve pinch. Which is why this is pre, this is pre gentle parenting. That wasn't a thing back. At least I didn't say, it's called parenting. So, I mean, I, just got me a set of books, because I listened to this guy. I'm not going to tell you his name, because I want you to have him on the, on the podcast. But I heard him on another podcast. And he,

He was talking about this specific issue and how it's changed over the last 30 years and how many more children are on this medication than they were 30 years ago. Yeah. And what he called it was, and it's not just that one issue. It was two or three issues he was talking about. Jace ordered me four of his books for Christmas because I was like all about this guy. And I started reading these books and it made me so, again, impressed with my own children and how they're raising their children with discipline,

but it also made me very sad for a lot of children out there because what this guy, the phrase he called it was, they're abdicating their parenting. They're abdicating their parenting to... Tell us what that means, because I've never used the word abdicate. Well... They're not doing it. Abdicating means that you relink, like you're not taking...

You're letting somebody else take your responsibility. Yeah, you're releasing your responsibility to someone else. It's like Queen Elizabeth's father. became king because her father's brother was supposed to be in line and he abdicated the throne to go marry someone who was a, like another, it's a synonym for abandon. Did that have you, he was supposed to willingly giving it up. Well, why not just say that? But go ahead.

Because when she's the mother. Missy, you chose the right phrase and thank you for saying that was perfect. I'm just repeating it from a professional. Well, as Judge Jays, I will be abdicating nothing when it comes to that word. I will just say, give it up. All right. It is your point, Missy. I'm only quoting someone else.

It's not my word. He said that parents are abdicating their parenting to drugs with pharmaceutical prescriptions and full-time nannies, daycares, or whatever else is out there because they want to work. And electronic devices. Oh, no, that was the third one. And screens. Screens in their children's bedrooms. just having them turned off at night in their bedrooms affects their sleep.

So children are needing, quote, needing this medication because actually they're just not getting enough sleep at night. So, which I would love to like go on a whole thing about this with professionals. But I think if parents just had tools, they just don't know what to do. We say there's no manual for parenting. I had living manuals all the time at when I was growing up raising my kids through older women. They were living manuals, basically. I had Joe Neal Kirby. I had Mary Owen.

I had so many different women who were ahead of me in raising their children who had gone through hard stuff. And some of them were professionals, which did not hurt. Helped a lot. But people don't have that these days. And so they don't know what to do. And they're just flying by the seat of their pants. And so I'm just really big on trying to get my daughter-in-law the resources that she needs because she wants what's best for her children. And she's one that will work at it and she'll resource it and try to figure out the best thing to do.

But a lot of parents, it's just too hard, especially single parents. And so I would love to be able to be an advocate to help give them those resources through people that we come along with. So, Missy, you asked a question earlier, why I'm on this podcast. Thank you for answering your question. And thank you for being on the Unashamed. Well, parents these days need all the health they can get, you know. I agree. All right.

We have to have Missy back on and talk about this more. It's really good. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.