Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1045 | Jase Gets a Slap on the Wrist from Israeli Police & Why Jesus Had to Suffer

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

Jase landed on the radar of Israeli police during his trip there for getting sneaky about treasure hunting, and Zach could be on the cusp of making Jase’s treasure hunting dream come true. The guys explore why Jesus’ life and death happened the way they did and why it’s so important to Christianity. Plus, Jase decides he wants to be just like his elderly lady neighbor when he grows up. In this episode: Hebrews 3, verses 1-6; Daniel 7, verse 9; John 17, verse 5; Revelation 1, verses 1-8, 13 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. I was leaving yesterday coming to our one of many trips here to do the podcast checks, which feels like we've been doing the podcast for like a week. We're like, it's like a podcast telethon slash marathon. A podcast upon. We're trying to get in the Guinness Book of World Records for much. So I stopped by to empty water out of my trash cans. I won't go into all the minutia.

But I was checking my mail, and my neighbor across the street for me is the delightful Mamaw Joe, who is Corey's grandmother. I want to say she's 93. She's in her early 90s. She just quit work when she was at like 87. Tell my Mamma Joe. Mamma Joe. She's one of the greatest human beings I've ever met. So strong.

But she's 90-something now, Jay's, and she's backing out and she's talking to me in her. She's driving someplace, which while at the bat, I thought, this is what I, if I made it. You know how I feel. I'm for, like, cutting off the age of driving at like 70. Is that where I'm at now, Maddie? Or is it 65? And people got all in an uproar. Not that you can't go anywhere.

I just said it would help the economy to hire a chauffeur. Have the government do it, you know. but she's defining the eyes. Well, she's one exception, unless you're Mamma Joe, because she's way more archaicions. So I'm going to blow your mind even more. So we're out of the battle. I was just, I said, Melojoil look at you.

You're just out. It's raining. It's nasty. And she's smiling. And she's on her way to someplace. And she said, well, she said, I'm heading to London Saturday. And I was like, yeah, I heard about the trip. You're going.

She's going. Yeah, I said, oh, yeah, my bags are packed. When I grow up. And again, I was like, what in, what? When I grow up, I want to be like my mom. Me too. She is amazing. We visit her sometimes just like when we have the little one or whatever.

And she is so gracious and kind and inspirational. She's one of the most godly people I've ever. She's great. And her husband, Luther, which is Corey's grandpa, has passed, you know, crossed over, I should say, a few, several years ago. but he was also a fantastic man. So this is an amazing couple. But it made me things that you are a part of this pilgrimage to our, to our motherland, because, you know, we all came from England.

Did we? We did. Yeah. So what's going on there? What's, can you tell us about what's happening? Because now I'm intrigued. Now that man will go. Well, there's a couple things.

There's two different things happening. I'm going to something that kind of intersects with the other. I think they're going for an event. that Sadie's doing. And I want to say it's with there, it's called, um, you're getting real vague here.

Are you going to England or not? I'm going to England. I'm going to, to a conference in England. Um, it's, it's a lot of different folks. So people we know,

Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House as part of that. Jordan Peterson, Jonathan Pagio, it's a, it's a conference there. Well, I'm going to give you a job.

Well, you're talking about some name dropping. That just did. That was impressive. The only one I knew was Sadie. You don't know who Mike Johnson is? He's our Speaker of the House, Louisiana boy. He is your representative.

No, he's not. Yes, he is. You do not know. No, no, Zach. We now have been redrawn. I've voted for Mike Johnson. Yeah, we got re-grown. Yes.

We redrawn. You got to be there on our side of Arkansas Road. I now know who Mike Johnson is. However, I have like three buddies, south of the interstate named Mike Johnson. So, I mean, it's not the... It's a very common name.

I mean, do you know Mike Johnson? I'm like, no, because I know so many. We have to get Mike on the podcast. So I guess Speaker Johnson on the podcast, excuse me, but... Zach, you keep saying like you're going to get these people on the podcast. I'm telling you.

If you get Mike Johnson on this podcast, I will give you a $100 bill. One, Chris. You just, then you get your money ready because you know the first. The first person that I met with. Mark this. Mark that down. Audiences heard it.

The first person that I met with when I ran for Congress was Mike Johnson. And we've remained friends ever since. You should have gotten some tips on how to win. Well, he did advise me, so I could blame him for the loss. Well, look, let me get back to this as important. Because I have a dream. I have a dream. Oh, boy.

I've always. We know what happened in the last. last dream. I always wanted to go, ever since I got into Treasure Honey. I want to go, like, do an event somewhere in England because when our little duck show came out, we had a lot of people, surprisingly, I was surprised by this, who watched our show from England. Oh, yeah.

And Scotland. Letters and, you know, and things in the mail. And so I was like, wow, this has gone global here. But it was a lot of people who loved Jesus. And I was like, I'd like to do an event. But in England, they let you treasure hunt, at long as you have permission. Yeah.

You can just go anywhere. In fact, there was a big thing just found there, right, within the last. Now, you have to turn it in. Yeah. But that's okay. And like, if they want to keep it, they keep it. But they'll give you, like, the money value for it or whatever. So it's like.

Because a lot of it goes into museums and that kind of stuff. Well, exactly. So you need to go like, I mean, forget, forget everything else. This is, you got one job because what I'm saying is we'll go back together and do all the cool fun stuff. Okay. And film it. We might can do a whatever. Yeah.

But find me a place that I can go because that whole, how much? So you're going to scout this that while you're on. I'll scout it out. I need permission is what I'm looking for. Can my cousin, James Robertson, the other. a picture of me or anything? Maybe a picture would be bad, because that might be frightful. Yeah, that may not.

Can he treasure hunt your property? The homeland. Yeah, well, but I got to, you know, because I'm not going over there. Well, I can make the case where maybe our ancestors left something over there. We've been looking for it. We've lost it. Don't make any cases. Just try to get permission that we can hunt your land.

I'll see if I can close the deal on that in between the, the, the meetings I'll be out. But the Sadie thing's a little different, though, guys. She's doing something that's kind of cool. It's called Gather 25. I believe that's the name of it. I'm probably going to butcher this. But they're doing an event,

2025, where the global church is all, like across the entire globe is going to be having like a service at one time and one moment. And they'll do it like across the internet or something. Well, look, we can, name ours our tour treasure and treasure treasure treasure well we'll read the verse you know the verse

that says he who he found treasure in a field and he put it back in there sold everything he had and bought the field yeah so we're not going to buy their place so if we're planning this because we're workshopping now so i need to be a part of this as well as that because we're going to do the podcast from there let's do podcast from there right we'll do a podcast from there yeah we'll do a podcast from there. But so it's all dependent on you. Yeah. Whatever happens

when you go over there. So, Jay's, I will mark this in the category of we'll know this is happening when Mike Johnson is actually on this podcast. Because if that doesn't happen, that'll happen.

I mean, that's what I put it on the same. I have a $100 bill on that, but I got my whole life. I got my life change on this. Look, go to the streets. Just get on the corner. I mean, do what you got to do

to get permission to do this. We'll have your representative, Mike Johnson, in the studio because he's got to come back to the constituents. Well, I said if I ever go to D.C., yeah, he has to see us. The only reason, the only reason I'm entertaining

the idea of having Mike Johnson on the podcast is because for the first time in years, is it just me, or is the news interesting again? Oh, yeah. I found myself watching the news more, which I haven't watched the news in seven, eight years.

Yeah. Well, it seems interesting now. Yeah, I watched it all the way through, but it's definitely better. It's definitely more interesting. And since we all know Mike Johnson, personally, I've met him several times as well. He is a quality man. So you get in these political arguments. I get it.

They're trying to get this done, blah, blah, blah, blah, this bill passed. And so they paint each other as these negative things. But he is a quality human being, a believer in Jesus. Well, he actually, you didn't know this, when you said I didn't know Mike Johnson. He actually invited my daughter, Mia. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that connection. Yeah, and I can't remember the details, which is terrible.

Missy would be really upset with me right now. Well, luckily, she doesn't listen, so. We actually went, and she got to go in there and actually read something. Because a congressperson also had a cleft palate, and so it was connected through them somehow. Yeah, and they read or wrote something. They did one of these proclamations or whatever. Yeah, so it was really nice. I didn't know Michael's part of that.

That's awesome. He was. So is that it for London? So you were going separate of that, but you're going to, are you going to go to Sadie's thing? Is that why you're there? No, we're only going to be there for like a week and then we're coming back. So I think that is.

This is getting weird. Your other members of your family is going. And you're going to be there and miss it. Well, they're going to be at both events. We're leaving. me and Jill are going to come back. We're also going to do a little like three day, four day. Just for y'all.

See the city. Well, that's when you make the context. That's it. So every place you go. Yeah. But how are people going to know he's hooked up? Because somehow you've got to make the connection with the duck people. Well, I'm a big boy.

I bet I can figure it out. Just remember, Zach, over there, they don't say Duck Dynasty. They say Duck Dynasty. Duck Dynasty. Dentistry. Yeah. So you don't want to act like you don't know what you're talking about. We tried to make a connection with our Duck Family Treasure Show.

And we just did it on a – because we had a little podcast that introduced the show. Right. And so, Jep, I was like, man, maybe if you do some kind of English impression, we can get some buzz and maybe get invited to go over there. But Jeff's like, well, I have an impression. And I was like, well, what is it? He's like, well, it's only one line. I was like, well, that doesn't make any sense. Do you have the voice to do it?

And he's like, nope, but I can do one line. And so none of us knew what it was. He said, just throw it to me when we start filming. Yeah. And I'll do it. And so they asked where like our dream place to go treasure hunting. And that was kind of what the podcast was about. And I said England

Because that's what Now he's going to go This is my dream Because I've been there Two or three times But I never got off I only landed on a runway Because I was in another country

And I was like I'm in England But then you're off to somewhere else Then I was off to somewhere else So does that really count? Well yes You were there But you were there

But I was only there for an hour Yeah Maddie said no That doesn't So But what I was So Jep We're like

I tell him my dream Go to England, treasure hunt, share Jesus, treasure and treasure tour. And Jep said, it's a bit nutty. That was it. I was so, he had me. I was so shocked. That didn't catch all. Yeah, wow.

I was like, that was it. And I don't know if I did it well. Did I sound English? We lost Maddie. She's no longer functional. Maddie. So she thought it was funny. I'll tell you what I'd like to do.

I would like to do a trip to Israel, an unashamed trip to Israel. Well, we're just dreaming now. I've already done that. I've already done that, and they won't let you treasure hunt. I'm not talking about treasure hunt. I want to go and do what we're talking about with all this. I'll tell you what. And some teaching.

I'll make a deal with you. If you pull off England, and I want more than one place, permission, that I can treasure hunt. without being locked up. Well, I don't mind a harassment, but I don't want to go to jail.

If you pull that off, then I'll go back to Israel because I got that tour figured out on how to do that. I think it would be cool. Have you ever been to Israel's at? I've never been. I haven't either.

And I want to go this side of eternity. It really changes, not change is about, it really enhances is your reading of scripture. Yeah. I mean, it was profound. Can you imagine like being on the Mount of Olives

and being able to go through that all of that discourse in Mark 13 and Matthew 24? Well, we did that. We did that. Yeah, I've never done it. What I want to do is get our audience and open it up to some of our audience as well. I talked with Shane and Shane,

and they're doing a tour over there, but they're going to go through and do it through the Psalms. I said, man, we ought to do that. So I have to pull off the, London Excursion. Well, you got to get some permission. Go in there. I get the permission, as they say, and then we'll start working on maybe something around.

Do not pray about it. Get you a plan. Do not come back empty-handed. I would say include your wife in on this venture, because you're probably going to forget this as soon as this podcast is over. Well, that's right. And that will bring some validity to it because we know how Jill is. All right, we got a deal. So look, this is how deals get it.

it made. Y'all just saw it. And so you can give us a report when you get back. All right. So we were ready to get back to John. Man, that was, we went around the world there, literally. Well, Jesus said going to all nations. He did.

Well, we just went to. I'm not just going there for selfish reasons. We will. I would love to do some kind of. For some reason we were talking about that, it took me back to our driver. I don't know if you remember this guy. Because we had different scenes we were doing when we were in Scotland. but our driver of our little bus that took us place to,

well, I bet you remember him because I was in the scenes you were in. Remember that guy, an old gruff guy? He was hilarious. He was hilarious. Everybody is gruff in Scotland. That's true. That's true. And so he's telling us all about the current political landscape of Scotland and England.

And so I was intrigued. And so he's telling us all these things in this thick, Scottish brogue. And I said, well, I get the impression from listening to you. I don't remember his name. I said that you're not a big fan of England. He said, I wish they'd put a moat around it and then fill it full of water. And I was like, oh, that's bad. That's like he was not a big fan of him.

He needs forgiveness in his heart. Well, when I was in Scotland, I didn't want to leave. And I asked me, I was like, you want to live here? She said, no. But I did, but she didn't like to do. You know why? You were connecting to your school. Godish roots.

I just like the open range. The highlands. I like the weather and just rough and tumble. I don't know. I just felt like a man. Yeah. And it's cold. It's about like it is here today.

They're just coming. Yeah, but it's like there every day. Every day, yeah. All right. So we're in John, I guess, too. Was there any more, does you get any more divisions in the five minutes between these two? No, but I mean, I think we made the connection of Jesus calling his first disciples, some interesting nuggets.

He did have this connection with Jacob's ladder. Yeah. Because then the temple comes into play in the next chapter. Right, which is where we're headed next. And one thing I didn't mention, I think we mentioned two podcasts ago, is the name was called Bethel, which means House of God,

where this ladder took place in the vision in Genesis 28. And then one of the things we mentioned right at the end of, I think, a couple of podcasts ago, So Jacob, he was sleeping his head while he was having this vision sleeping, was on a stone. And he marked that stone and left it as like anybody that passed by there, like this was something special happened here. So it was a stone, which we've talked about with Peter being a rock. And the idea of Christ is the chief cornerstone.

So there's a lot of imagery that goes along with this place, which is pretty powerful. Well, the place Bethel, you mentioned that, the house of God, that's. what Jesus is declaring that he is. Now, Jesus is going to be Bethel. Jesus is going to be the house of God. He will be the place where God now dwells. And I think Jacob's, you know, his vision at Bethel was foundational in Israel's identity. I mean, that's really where it started, right? I mean, think about it. I mean, this was the moment, really, where he became the nation of Israel, started right here. Yeah. What makes it powerful is in that vision, he repeats the same declaration that he had given to Abraham, I guess, his grandpa.

Yeah. And Abraham Isaac Jacobs. And then he brings in all nations too. I mean, it's very powerful. Yeah, which he had done with Abraham as well. So it's all in there, which is very powerful. I love that John includes that, that you get that little vision of that, which is pretty cool. Yeah, I mean, because the temple will become, and I'm going back to Jacob's Ladder,

temple from that point is coming. It hasn't happened yet, but it will become the Bethel. It will become the dwelling place of God. That temple will be destroyed in, what was at, 586, 587 BC when the invasion of the Babylonian invasion occurred.

Fast forward, they rebuilt the temple. And then the second temple Judaism and the expansion that was happening under Herod, the Herodian expansion, that was the temple, right? And Jesus is coming. because that's where he's going to the very next chapter.

He's going into that temple. And it took almost 50 years, which that's going to come up in this next chapter, for them to complete this thing. Because, you know, when he was talking about rebuilding three days, they were like, what are you talking about? I was taking 46 years to get it the way it works now. Exactly. But fast forward to Hebrews, I feel like for some people that may, if you're just joining us,

you know, when you read Hebrews 1, 2, and 3, the three chapters, just to give you the highlights of it. I mentioned this a couple of podcasts ago, but it's very powerful because I didn't mention chapter 3. But when he says, you know, in the past, God spoke to our forefathers, and many times various ways. But in these last days, he's spoken to us by his son, and he appointed heir of all things. And then he says the son is the exact representation of his being,

sustaining all things by his powerful word. That's at the right hand of God. Well, then in chapter two, it's like he gets into why he became a human, which is very, I think, touching. Yeah. I mean, it's God became a human. You kind of get into the 14 through 16, where he's saying, since the children have flesh and blood, Jesus, too, shared in their humanity so that by his death, he might destroy him who was a power of death and his devil. and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants.

So he's going back to that promise made to Abraham through Isaac, Jacob. So he gets to chapter three, and he talks about Moses, because we also have this, not only are we new creations, but we have this new exodus from the power of the evil one, which I just read in verse 14. But then he gets to verse four, and this is one of my favorite passages in the entire Bible, because you said Bethel is House of God. Watch what it says.

This is incredible. A lot of people are shocked that this is in the Bible. And it's right after in verse 1 in chapter 3 when he said, Holy brothers who share in the heavenly calling, which is where Jesus is at the right hand of God, fix your thoughts on Jesus. So he gets to verse four, and he says, for every house is built by someone, because he's speaking here in the context that Jesus is greater than Moses. Every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything, which is the Hebrew writers connecting all these dots through history. And now saying, this is why Jesus is better.

He's exalted, death, right, and hand to God. not only has the exact representation of his being, but to destroy the power of the evil one. He's freed our fears. He's given us this new way to get out from under the world that was oppression us. So then he says, verse 5, Moses was faithful as a servant in all God's house,

testifying to what would be said in the future. He's pointing to Jesus being the fulfillment. But watch verse 6. But Christ is faithful. as a son over God's house. And you're like, well, is you talking about the temple? God's house. And then this next phrase, and we are his house.

If we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast. Yeah, that's good. I feel like I would need to hollow that. We are his house. It's not buildings and structure and material things that. things that we build, you know. Because houses, like you said, the verse that are made by people, hands. And the whole point is that God doesn't live in the ones that are built by human hands.

And that's why he lives in humans because we don't build ourselves. And you just think about it, Zah, all the imagery, Jay just read it quickly. And the whole book of Hebrews is about this imagery. And here was Moses on the top of this mountain. And once again, angels are back and forth. And it wasn't the temple, but it was the law being given. Guess what? On stone tablets, but not to save us, but just to try to guide us into something that we would know is better.

So just every time I look back and see these images in the Old Testament, all of it is pointing towards Jesus. And that's the video. Well, you think about that passage that Chase read, I think in the last podcast, was that when you read Revelation 1? John had the vision on the Alapatmaus. Yeah. It was a vision within a vision. Within a vision. It was a rabbit hole vision.

But it was, I mean, that view of Jesus, I mean, think about it, some of the imagery there, his hair was white like wool. His eyes were fiery, the double-edged sword protruding from his mouth, the bronze. It's a picture of just sovereignty and power. And I was thinking about this in the context of what this means with the Son of Man. He's going to see the Son of Man because that's also mentioned in that verse, as you mentioned, but that's also in our text today about the Son of Man coming. Think about that Daniel 7 reference. And I wanted to read this because listen to the language of how Daniel 7 describes the ancient of days,

the one who the Son of Man is going to go before. Listen to the description and tell me if it sounds similar to the description of Jesus in chapter 1 of Revelation. It says, The Ancient of Days took his seat. This is in verse 9 of Daniel 7. His clothing was white as snow and the hair of his head like pure wool. His throne was fiery flames. Its wheels were burning fire. A stream of fire issued and came out from before him.

and the thousand thousands served him, and 10,000 times 10,000 stood before him. The court sat in judgment and the books were open. And so that sounds so similar to the picture of Jesus. And so this image here, it matters because when you read in John chapter 17, verse 5, before Jesus' crucifixion, he says this. He says, Father, he said, glorify me, thine only. self with the glory that I have with you before the world began. And so he's saying, give me this glory that I have with you before the world began. So there's this picture of what he's calling. He's asking the father to do through his death, his death burial and resurrection. So the picture

of Daniel 7 then, it makes a lot more sense because Jesus said before his crucifixion that he had a certain degree of glory with the father, with the ancient of days before the world began. It says, restore me to that. So then when you read, about when he's presented before the ancient of days, you start to understand it when it says, I saw the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven, this is Daniel 7,

there came one like a son of man. And he came to the ancient of days and was presented before him. So now this is that moment where Christ is presented before the ancient of days, and to him was given dominion and glory, and I love this, and a kingdom. Think about this.

This is the moment to where Christ was given a dominion, glory, and the kingdom. And so that picture that you see in Revelation chapter 1, he sounds a whole lot like the ancient of days. Well, yeah, because the ancient of days in this moment gave Christ, dominion, glory, and kingdom. He's restoring Christ of the glory that he had with him before the world began. And I think that's the connection here in this passage when we talk about the kingdom of God being here

and the kingdom of God being now, yes, it is to come as well. But when we talk about that, the connection point of all of this is that in the resurrection and the ascension of Christ and the coming down to the temple in 8070, it was a vindication of Christ. It was an establishment of Christ as having all authority, all dominion, all glory, and he is the king now because he has the kingdom. That's the language of what's being set up here in John. chapter one. This is not in here randomly when it talks about Jacob's ladder and it talks about

the son of man being revealed. Well, to your point, I mean, if you just start reading, you brought up that destruction of the temple in 8070, which Jesus predicted over and over and over, and I realize a lot of the religious world don't recognize it. They immediately go because of the apocalyptic language to when Jesus comes back or appears, you know, finally. And we get new body. And we get new bodies and live forever and all that. But he's literally like in those moments, they're talking about they're walking around the temple. And he's like, see these stones right here?

Not one will be left on another. This generation won't pass away until you see it happen. And even in Revelation, you know, when he starts, because I want to read this, as you were talking about Daniel, it's amazing how much it's quoted here. But I will say this. In verse 3 of Revelation, he's like, Blessed is the one who reads. the words of this prophecy and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it because the time is near.

And that's why you have to address what happened in Rome, the destruction of Jerusalem. Even when you get to that chapter that depicts the hills and where Rome was, I mean, it's an exact replica of it. I mean, to say he's not using their situation and applying it to any other kingdom that ever might want to take on the kingdom of God. To me, it's just not being fair. But, or he wouldn't say the time is, this is at hand. But when he gets down to verse, the second part of verse 5 in Revelation 1,

he says, to him who loves us and has freed us from our sins. That's why I brought up that exodus and this freeing us from the power of the control of the evil one in this world, what we can see by his blood and has made us to be and has made us to be a kingdom and priest. Not some kind of, okay, one day we're going to, he has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father, to Him be glory and power forever. Then he says, Lord, he is coming with the clouds and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him, so shall it be.

And then he says, I'm the alpha. Which that's a direct quote from Daniel 7, by the way. Yeah. Well, so is verse 13, where he says, among the lampstands was someone like a son of man. Yeah. But in verse 8, he says, I'm the alpha and the omega. And this is a verse I was looking for last podcast, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

I mean, if time has no effect on you, you're king. Right. Yeah, when you reference yourself outside of a temporal frame, it's like, well, you are, you were, you is. I mean, before Abraham was, I am. No, I like it. I like it, too. That's it. The English vocabulary, Northern Greek or Hebrew, has an ample vocabulary to describe some of these statements.

Right. Which I said, look, I was a bitter young lad with all kinds of crazy thoughts, just like everybody else. But the more I got to reading about Jesus thinking, okay, he can't lie and he can't die, and you can't put him in a time setting. I think I'm going with him. Let's work the rest of it out later. Well, I think about this idea, too, if going back to this idea of Bethel and this Jacobs, ladder where he was at and this the that that it's a a connection point between heaven and earth just

think about that for a second why does there even need to be a connection point because there's a separation yeah and so there's something bigger here too than just like some kind of eschatological vision that he's throwing out this is a this is about atonement as well that christ becomes the connecting point now for the he takes over the separation where heaven and earth are separated where god and man are separated christ Christ now is the connector. Christ is bringing heaven and earth together. Christ is bringing God and man together.

Christ is reconciling all things to himself, for himself, and by himself. And I think that we cannot overestimate the significance of the role that Christ is having in all of this. That's why it says the word became flesh and dwelt among us. That's why, Zach, that the first recorded prophecy is Genesis 315, to your point, when God was talking to Satan, and he said, you will strike his heel, but he will crush your head. Yeah. The idea that overcomes. I think it's underestimated in all.

Oh, it's huge. I mean, look, a lot of religious people, they got so hung up, and they just try to make it where God had to do this, you know, for legal reasons. And I think they missed the thrilling part that he's a God of love and he wanted to do this. Yeah, that's a good point. And, you know, like he freed us. I mean, from sin. I just read that. It was a freeing.

He's bringing the worlds back together, you know, through his love. And that's why Jesus did crazy things. Like, when he healed a person, then he's like, how about I forgive your sins first? Well, you know, the religious world, they're like, what? Do you think you are? You can't do that. Well, they're still doing it today. Yeah.

Well, now, technically, you know, somebody's got to. die or something. You know, like, no, he, he just wanted to forgive. When I forgive somebody, I don't go kill a cat. You know, I mean, to make it right, it is, I think we just have, we tend to have tunnel vision over one aspect of what Jesus accomplished on the cross and his resurrection. Which to your point you made in the last podcast, when he looked over at that thief, who looked at him and said, this, this is the guy.

He said, today you'll be with me in paradise. What he was, there was no law in that moment. There was no other things. It was just a faithful heart that he looked at and said, now you get it. Yeah. I mean, that's the beauty of that moment. I mean, I just, without going down a rabbit hole, I'm saying, I think we need to expand our horizons on what was accomplished. There's a God and we're not him.

Yeah. And I think it's more thrilling than, you know, what, a lot of people are hearing every Sunday morning, you know, that there's just angry God, you know, and you might make it. Right. And you know, and you're like, where's the thrill in who he is and what he's done? And, I mean, you start reading this all of a sudden, you start getting excited saying, oh, my goodness, I'm in a new world.

I'm in a kingdom within a bunch of other kingdoms that do not match up. Yeah, that's a good point. Because ours, you know, can't be destroyed. I mean, that's what Daniel said. It will never be destroyed. Which is why there's a link between the coming of the kingdom and at least in like this, and even this either the son of man and that he's given a kingdom with this Isaiah 53 of a suffering servant. That's what they didn't get.

So they're expecting a coming of a king. They were expecting the coming of a king to some degrees and the coming of, you know, that's the Luke 24. When Jesus sees him on the road to Amas, he says, what are you guys talking about? They're like, are you the only guy that's not been, notice what's happened in the last three days? days, Jesus, who we hope would be the hope of Israel. They killed him. He's been in the grave for three days.

They didn't know they were talking to Jesus. So their idea of what was going to happen was that the Messiah was going to come and probably establish a kingdom that was more of a political kingdom, that they would have, military conquest and whatnot. They didn't understand that this accomplishment of the kingdom being. inaugurated, they didn't understand that that was going to happen through the suffering of the Messiah. That's the part that they didn't get. And they also didn't understand how that would then be vindicated through a resurrection. I mean, what Jesus is doing here, what he's setting the stage for it, it's like he's dripping in what's going to happen. He's not just coming out and telling them.

I mean, he does tell them eventually. Because as Jace mentioned in a previous podcast, what did Peter say whenever he told him he was going to have to have to die. Peter rebuked Jesus. But, you know, it's funny as that because they, you're exactly right, they missed it, but they shouldn't have because Isaiah 53 clearly lays out exactly what was going to happen to, to the Messiah. And that would be suffering, which is.

But I think we do that. Don't you think we do that today, too? Yeah. It's like a hindrance for us when we start thinking about the kingdom because we, it's a lot easier for us to think about it in terms of, like, conduct. conquest, a military conquest, political victories. And not to say we shouldn't be involved in those. And in politics, I think we should be.

But it's what we've always said, don't put your ultimate hope there because that's not really the way, that's not really where it's where the real magic is happening. It should be a comedy. Yeah. I mean, I think Revelation is really about that. If you think you're a kingdom on earth and you think you have all power and control, just give it a minute. you will go down compared to those who have the Holy Spirit of God and have surrendered to Jesus. It's the greatest kingdom that Daniel predicted, how many thousand years ago, that would be established. And you saw the tense of the word.

He said, he has made you a kingdom and priests. And he doubles down on it like in Revelation 5. Ten, he says it again. He has made you a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth. And I think that little phrase at the end is why people think that it hasn't happened yet. Because they're like, well, how can we be reigning when we're under such oppression on the earth? And the earth is so evil. And it's like, well, that's what God had us to do in the beginning of time in Christ.

We're showing people heaven on earth through Christ, through His spirits. So we're functioning like Jesus, who became the most talked about. followed character in the history of the earth. Which is funny, because to your point you met earlier, Zay, we look at it now and we see ourselves. We look at America. We've been here now, you know, less than 300 years as a active nation. And we think, man, look at us.

Look at all the things we're impacting every election cycle. And y'all were just talking about going back to England. Well, we go back a thousand years to England. Well, that's why I want to go treasure hunts there. Their stuff's older. I mean, that one little island, though, where's the center point of the whole world a thousand years ago, you know, 800 years ago?

And now we're like, here we are 300 years. We're like, we got it all going on because of this election. Well, it's like me. I mean, the oldest coin I found in America, it was from the 1600s. And that episode hasn't been released yet. So there's your spoiler for a duck family treasure. But, I mean, you go to Europe.

You know, you can find a coin that has, nine on it, you know, 14, yeah, 200, I mean, you're going back way back. Well, the Romans were there. I mean, this goes back to the Roman Empire. We were there before the Brits were. So that's why the draw is there. What you think about if you, when we were in Rome, for example,

I remember there was a moment where we were standing there looking at the Coliseum, which is pretty amazing if you think about like the Roman Empire in its heyday. without modern engineering, without excavators, without any cranes, and to see what they built, it's kind of like, whoa,

it's impressive. It's very impressive. And then we were thinking, man, can you imagine if some guy from a mud hut in Africa shows up in Rome and the emperor says,

I'm God, you kind of, I can understand why they may say, yeah, okay, I can see why. Yeah, like,

yeah, you look at what they built, but then you look at it now, and it's all in real, And I think it is so interesting about the picture of the coming of the kingdom because what Jesus did not do and what God did not do is, you know, he did not, like the ultimate like revelation or the ultimate exaltation of the son of man, it did not come through some kind of military trial. Which you think, what you would have thought, if we were planning it, it would have. It would have came in like the Roman Empire of its in its heyday. And that would have been how I would have assumed and probably anyone would assume that the son of man would be revealed.

But that's not how he was revealed. He was revealed in the most humble of ways, one, being born in a manger. I mean, that alone being born in a feeding trough to normal average people, not to royalty, and to not even really start his ministry for 30 years. And then they have only a three-year ministry and really have not, didn't even have a place to lay his head, as he says. later on, and then ultimately he was crucified on a Roman cross. I mean, this is like not the way that you're supposed to write the story of victory, but that's exactly what happened.

And then here we are 2,000 years later on a podcast that has millions of downloads every year, and we're just one of many, and we're just a small sliver of the kingdom talking about this king. So whatever happened, whatever revelation happened, I mean, like Bill would say, we're counting time by him boys you know like he split time i mean i think that's impressive well that's like when i was in israel yeah you know before i tell you the most profound moment you know i had a moment thinking man the history here and so one time we had gone and saw something and we had a little group you know and we come down off these steps and they were doing some excavating and and like taking the earth with a little crane,

and they had a pile of debris. And so I bent down to tie my shoe, because my shoe didn't need to be tied, but I was retying it. And I told Missy, I was like, go ahead, because I wanted to look over there and just see, what if I find,

you know, what if I find the coin that was in the fish's mouth, and when Jesus said, go pay the taxes, you know, so I was over there. I was looking in the debris field, but they had, like, police tape. around it.

And when I turned around... So you're trying to be slick tying your shoes if you can... Well, right. I was just trying to get closer to the pile of debris because I wanted to take a little luxie. And, uh,

but when I got up and turned around, there were like four cops looking at me. Like, what do you think you're doing? And of course, I was Shalom. And I did the little, you know how the, at the casinos, the dealer will like show their hands,

like to say I don't have anything under. So that was my only treasure hunting experience in Israel. But what I was going to say is, and I've shared this before, but when we went through all the different sites that they have, one of the things they do is they're like, this might be the tomb where Jesus was buried. And you like walk down, I mean, I think you have, you know, I have to pay like five bucks to go down here.

But, and you go in and it's the tomb. tomb it doesn't look like you think it's just a it's a hole in a rock and you go downstairs and it's kind of orderly but it there's something eerie but when i turned around to come back outside when i stuck my head out of that hole it's just a square hole in the rock boy it just hit me i mean emotions flood flooded all over because i was like this is what we believe he was in this hole in the ground and he stuck his head out of here being dead you know i was like well you didn't you're saying an imitation song i wouldn't have responded so that was the good and i told you the ugly with me trying to get a

little view of possible treasure but they they gave me a a slight a spiritual hand slap of a move on sir well that's why that picture of the son of man so important because it it it yes we do have a suffering savior. We do. I mean, that's, that is core to the whole gospel, is that Christ died. But it's not that he stayed in the grave that he was resurrected and he has been vindicated and he now reigns as king. And I, that's why I love that Son of Man language every

time I hear it in the scriptures or read it. That Revelation 1 passage, I mean, if you just sit in that for a little bit. But I think, I think that's why the apostles, though, in the book acts, when you read it, When they depict Jesus, they don't get into these theological arguments about why this had to happen. They talk about Jesus' innocence over and over. And I think they're representing that this world and our powers and our sins and the evil lurking, what you read from Ephesians 1, the powers of the dark world.

They were all in cahoots and crucified Jesus. And I do think we're all a part of that in a way because, you know, what if I would have been one of those, you know, Roman soldiers or in the crowd? And that's why I think it's amazing that the first person that declared him the son of God on the cross was actually just a Roman soldier. And surely he, you know, in the translations or either he said he was innocent, surely this was an innocent man or he was the son of God. But either one, there's just something powerful about that. He became, I mean, God became a man and he came into a world. You're talking about not recognize him. They killed him.

I mean, so it is powerful to me. And I think there's something there about in the book of Acts on why they highlight that principle of Jesus being innocent. Yeah. You know. No, that's true. And so just to give you just a tease because we're out of time. So we're getting to John, too. which is going to be the first of kind of seven miraculous signs that take place in the book of John.

This is the first one. And it seems accidental, but nothing is accidental with Jesus, so it's not. Not the first one's a wedding banquet? Exactly. So we're going to get into that, which is some really, really rich stuff. And by the way, it culminates Jason. The last sign was raising Lazarus from the dead, which would be a preview from what was going to happen to him to be resurrected. So a lot of good stuff coming.

Zach's report hopefully from London as well. Zach, safe travels. Oh, we're getting that report. Yeah. We'll get the report, boys. I'll check in. All right. We'll do all that next time on Unashamed.

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