Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 105 | Phil's Diet Tips, the Snacks Jase Misses Most, and Worshipping the Food and Exercise Gods

Episode Date: June 21, 2020

Phil, Jase, and Al reminisce about the greatest weenies, honey buns, and donuts ever made and try to figure out why the best foods get discontinued. Phil recommends his favorite sardines, discusses how to break a cursing habit, and recalls the times Mark Zuckerberg censored him. The guys discuss the importance of nourishing and training ourselves spiritually, not just physically. And they tackle a question from the audience about why God would allow someone to be born if he knows they're going to hell. See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1  - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unashamed What about you? What did I just do? You got off on weekend. Yeah. Got a haircut. Talk about that.

It's about that. What else is going on? What's going on with you, Phil? Have you done anything interesting? Have you done anything interesting? No less three to five days. When the solid food never come.

digesting the wrong food and behaving upon it or digesting the right food and the things to follow. Constant digestion of the proper food, the scriptures. Oh, okay. Well, I didn't know. Well, you were scaring me, Phil. brings forth good, not able, because the text says, Solid foods for the mature who by constant use have trained themselves. If you're waiting on somehow God's going to train you, save you,

he'll actually train you, but he's actually given you the food, which are the scriptures according to Hebrew, the Hebrew writer, solid food scriptures kind of what you put in are they is farther mature who by constant use have trained themselves to do something that's easy to do really to distinguish between good and evil i mean you take the scriptures you take them in if you don't take the take the scriptures in show me a man that does not take the scriptures in and i will show you what he's writing about his graffiti, the word that keep coming up is F-U-C-K. You say, where'd that come from?

You're like, that's what he's been ingested in. But I tend to read that. He's incapable of distinguishing good from evil. But Galatians 519 says the acts of the simple nature are obvious. So that case in point. When you see someone using that word to get their message out, you can say, no, I'm not running with them. not if that's what's that's usually a bad sign i mean i think i told this story before i was it's not usually a bad sign it's always a bad sign i was enamored with a young girl in high school that i thought

was just the greatest looking woman i'd ever seen and i thought i must i must go out with this woman or at least attempt and so when i finally got around to meeting her about the fifth word out of her mouth was the F-bomb. And I thought, okay, that's all that. I mean, I just immediately, because I just thought, you were correct in your assessment. Yeah, this is not what it seemed. And I didn't, I didn't even want to go further down that road. All you have to do, Al, is read the graffiti.

You made me think of something. It's telling you a story. Really weird. When you talk about food, and I do like the illustration of the Bobbin food, but I got in this weird discussion the other night. about you remember the Wilson weenies? You remember eating those as a kid? Wilson weenies? Sure.

Well, I did. Best weenies ever made. But I Googled it on the computer because we had a discussion because now I don't eat weanies because once the Wilson weanies went out of business, that ended it. Everything else is subpart. It's subpart. But we were trying to find, I was telling a Cole's girlfriend about it. And she was like, well, I need to know about it.

I was like, it's the greatest weenie. ever. I mean, it was making them off. We could eat it. We ate them cold. Oh, I called it raw. And I'm getting nauseous. I'm getting nauseous. I'm getting on. I said, no, wait a minute. It's cooked. I know, but they were, they were just the greatest. You didn't have to heat them up. But what you're saying. What happened was, so for whatever reason, I can't figure it out, it was the greatest weenie ever made, and they quit making them. So then through the years, other companies tried to imitate it because they were red. but they were horrible.

I mean, they looked like a Wills and Wienie, but you took one bite, said, nope. They always had a snap about them. Like when you eat them, they'd snap. I said the same thing. Popping weenies the call. They were all getting, because, you know, now today in our culture, you know, my son was in, you know, went to Pepperdine and his girlfriend. And now over there, every little thing is scrutinized about what you eat, you know,

or drink. You know, you can't drink bottle water. I was like, what's wrong in bottle water? That's first I'd heard of it. They're like, oh, no, there's some kind of chemical in the plastic that you're dead. You'll be dead in 10 years. You know, I'm thinking, I don't know. I'm living proof.

That's not true. You would have been dead a long time ago. And I'm like, look, I'm trying to. So then it spawned in the conversation because then I started thinking, why are some of the greatest products ever? Why have they been eliminated? You remember those colonial honeybund? Oh, the best. The greatest honey bun ever.

And I just looked up one day and they were gone. Yeah. And I thought I heard that they sold the company, but through all that, we now have no Colonial Honeybund. What was so good about the Colonial Honeybunuchs is, it's like a ribby steak. The outer ring on it was so tender. Remember? Yeah.

Like it was all good, but the outer ring was just like Nirvana. No. The honey bun was not. You would melt in your mouth. And now the honey buns that are left will make you gag. Oh, yeah. And I'll take a bite, you know, my son had one. He got them out of a box.

I said, that ain't going to be no good. And he said, no, they're pretty good. I took one by and said, nope, it's not a colonial honey bunnies. It ruined me for all. So I don't know. How long they've been off the market of colonial. But I thought about that on the Shipley's donuts. Remember that?

I could literally eat. a dozen of them in less than three minutes. Minut. What was the ones over in Treeport, not Minut May. Wilson, Menonies. No, no, no. No, he's on the donuts. The hot donuts.

Southern May. Southern Made. Well, but I got the Shipley quite above that. Really? They're good. Well, because they're so succulent. They're not heavy on you. So you could eat large quantities of them.

Which we did. I mean, I ate them by the dozens. You know, and look at me. You think it didn't. Well, he doesn't that. I mean, now, will he? Okay. But you could make a case.

Too many ships donuts because we used to eat a dozen apiece just to get. I'm into my 70s. I've eaten anything everyone to eat and all that. You say, I'm in my 70s and I still weigh in the 170s. So I'm not a heavy man. You say, but you got a little bit of insurance here. But the bottom line is, you know, so I've proven that you can eat donuts, pies, cakes, whatever. It doesn't affect your anything.

If long as you kind of stay moving. Well, my point is, have a salad, you know. I guess if you, you know, diversify your diet, you'll be better off. But I think an occasional, no, dozen donuts is not going to kill you is what I'm saying. The problem is what I was trying to figure out is why the best in breed, I gave you three examples. And they all went out of business. That's what I don't understand. Either government regulations or just the cost, the cost of them making a...

Maybe that's what it is. The best materials are just more expensive. And to be honest, Jay's... You know, all you get now, probably when you're eating a weenie, you're talking unborn calves, sick cabs. You throw it up. Make wienies out of them. And, you know, it's just a...

If you're just eating scraps ground up real fine. All right. Now you've run it for me. I'll never eat another hot dog now. Not that the meat manufacturers would do that. Well, that's what Bill Angelo always said, oh, you don't want to eat weenies. That's lips and but holes. That's what goes into that.

That was his line about weenies. They say the same thing about those little bionas sausages. Boy, we ate many of them growing up. Of course. Do you eat them now? No. Unless I'm in a duck blind. Because in a duck blind, everything tastes better.

I lean toward King Oscar sardines. Well, that's a real good-looking thing. I ate them too, but I mean, I'm saying when I'm looking at that, I'm thinking, this can't be good for you. Oh, it's very good for you. I'm saying the guts and the half the head and everybody, everybody that studies the health officials, say sardines are very healthy food. I'll tell you this. I love it because Dad says this like he's been real communicato with all the health.

Yeah, like I'm checking with him. You're spending a lot of time you and Dr. Fauci sitting on the porch. Tell you this. They censored me twice, Zuckerberg and him, because I showed them how to pick and a, I pluck a duck and get him ready for a gumbo. They censured me a violent man. Then I was a violent man for skinning catfish. They want you to eat them with their skin on, I guess.

There's a reason they came up with the slogan. Nobody wants to see how the sausage is being made. Maybe that's what it is. Oh, that's what it is. They're like, do it. We just don't want to see it. It's like, my wife. Your family's gagging over a snapping weenie.

I mean. I started, I said the wheels of wean, I can't listen to this. She got up and walked out because I talked about the greatest weenie ever had to have a snap. I said when you broke it open. So if anybody – The casing on it was a little bit thicker. If anybody knows what happened to the Wilson winning. I'm sure some of our listeners on the –

The Colonial Honeybund. People out of Caddo Parish, Louisiana will enlighten you on that. The people over around street. Is that where it was made? Yeah, as far as I know. Well, I thought you had to get them out of a butcher shop. no they just had them in rural areas you could buy it was just a small they came in a box wilson weenies and uh it was probably like the people that hold cotton way back hold cotton and all

out there you know they wouldn't get paid but three dollars a day i hold it myself and uh bologna good bologna they i think they had a brand of bologna too oh that's another one yeah the bologna just fell off this you know yeah he had a lot of bologna but is i don't know it's no good now It all tastes kind of processed now. It does. It's kind of gritty. It's kind of gritty meat. It's no good.

But you were talking about your sardines. I'm, I eat sardines and I enjoy them. But I notice that I do belch for the next three hours, you know. Because there's something in there is causing your body to say, wait a minute. Yeah. I'm just saying. Do they give you indigestion?

It's all in its mind. No, no, it's not. It comes up for three hours. I convinced one of my buddies to try one, and he's like, yeah, it was better than I thought, except it lingered for hours. I said, oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you that. It doesn't go away. And just from look, I don't eat sardines, but just from looking at them, I would think the comeback is probably not as good as the original go-down. No, but feels right.

Those King Oscar, we have no affiliation with them, but I got them up at the top. I don't know what they do. We learned that from some fellow duck hunters, the Morris boys up in Arkansas. They recommended them, and I'm like, and he was really serious about it. The older man there,

like me, the patriarch, he said, King Oscar's on the way to go. So I tried him. Oh, he was right. I said,

that old dude is on to something here. Yeah, they're good. I found out about sardines. That's what I get failed for Christmas. I'm a duck blind in Arkansas. Are they imported from like the Mediterranean? I don't know,

They're small sardines. I noticed that. Do they grow them here? I mean, do they... They catch them. It's a wild caught fish. I don't know much about the history of sardine. Do you know whether...

You don't raise those. No, I don't raise them. It's something you have to just put it in your back of your mind when you're eating. I just wish they gutted them first. I'd feel better about it, but I eat it. Nah. Nah. No, but I agree with your prince.

fell what you put in especially from a biblical because there's a lot of illustrations in the bible well we've talked about this being made up of different parts and so what you're describing that is the spiritual part of who we are it's a nourishment you know you know the the soul it's the spirit that's where the nourishment goes to that the Hebrew writer said the Bible verses are akin to food but this is digested through your cranium, through your brain. The thinking process. Then go in the mouth, it goes into ears. Faith comes from hearing, you know, remember what you've learned.

The Word of God is, you know, it's essential for teaching. Well, he says, you need solid food, not milk. You remember John 6th? He said, I'm the bread a lot. You feed on me. I mean, it's the same. He uses that food. Solid food, these scriptures, is for the mature.

they've been there and they've applied these texts to their life. It goes into their head, their heart, which is your Bible heart, your head, your brain, and your body will respond accordingly. Definition of training, training is, remember, all scriptures God breathe, it's useful for teaching, correct, and rebuking, and training in righteousness. You say, just train yourself to do what is right. So training is the action or method of the one that trains, the process or experience of being trained.

Christians say, I don't know what I'm going to do, Phil, I'm kind of what, I mean, I cussed too much. I got too many, 50 words coming down my mouth. What's my problem? He hasn't taken the scriptures that says, you don't want to have unwholesome talk coming out of your mouth. It's a poor reflection on the model. Jesus.

No profanity coming out of him, right? No. Well, there shouldn't be any coming out of you. You can do this, but someone else can't do it for you. You train solid food, the scriptures, it's made for the mature. They've been there a while. It took me a while to clean my mouth up.

You say, finally, no more cuss words. I mean, y'all have been around me for what? All our lives. All your lives. You said, how much cursing did you ever hear it come out my mouth? Just read it back. I mean, none after you became a Christian. Yeah, I think three or four maybe the first couple of years.

The first year maybe. That's right. So it was a process, solid foods for the mature who by constant use. You say you take the verses and someone starts to curse or someone tells each filthy jokes and you've got all ears and you listen, the next thing, you know, it's your workplace, everybody else's cousin, so it's no big deal. But it is a big deal. But I think it's a reaction.

On the model of perfection, Jesus, we're not perfect, but we try to be perfect, meaning complete sons and daughters of God. And what we say has ramifications out. It does. Let's take a break. I think it's a reaction. If you read Romans 7, which I love, because we get a lot of questions. And this is question day.

A lot of people's like, they're like, you know, how do I stop doing this? Or, you know, I struggle with making mistakes after I'm a Christian, which is all, you know, everybody does. We're under grace and we mess up. In Romans 7, you know, this is one of the few titles that they put in the Bible that I like. In Romans 7, verse 7, my little heading says, struggling with sin. Yeah. And it's like you can almost feel the pain and passion in having this old self crucified, yet wanting to come back, and the new self participated in Christ with the Holy Spirit going to heaven.

Remember, streams of living water will flow from within you. What he was saying is there won't be cursing and bitterness. It won't be there. But he dictates the struggle. He says, I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do, but what I hate to do. And if I do what I don't want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.

I know that nothing good lives in me that is in my sinful self, for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out, carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do. There's a lot of does in here. No, the evil I do not want to do. This I keep on doing. Now, if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. I get a visual image of him sitting down talking to a spiritual counselor, which is the Holy Spirit. And he's trying to explain, I'm trying to do this, but I keep doing what I do.

don't want to do. Because just like a computer or a cell phone, when you upload various materials into your brain, this is the center of your cell phone. That's where I was going. You upload what your buddies around your workplace. You're uploading what they're saying. They're talking and you are listening. No matter what you say, you say, I've just up there. It's in my heart, my brain, what they're saying, because I was close enough to hear them. Well, you heard it. Well, it's been uploaded. Well, what are you going to do with it?

You take the scriptures and you say, here's what I'm going to do. No matter what happens, I'm going to make sure that what's coming out of my mouth is things like love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, self-control. You're like, but my point is. The one you feed wins. If you took two fighters, because you know, what do they do? What does a fighter do? Well, he trains, like you said. So what does he do that?

Well, he eats the healthiest foods he can fight. He ain't eating Wilson, weenies, and honeybuns. Spiritually speaking, same concept. They're drinking muscle milk. But look, then they're training. So then when the fight comes, all what's gone in and what's been cultivated, and practice, then it just reacts. That's right.

Because I think that's what happens. Look, if you're listening to, you know, funky lyrics and dirty jokes and you're around all week, well, then when you get in a situation where something bad happens, and let's say it may be minor, you hit a golf shot in a golf tournament that goes 70 yards left of where you were aiming. Your initial reaction is a four-letter word. you know why? Because I play golf with people and they'll swing and hit a bad shot. And guess what? Quickly follows.

You've identified the problem. He didn't make a conscious decision to say, I'm going to say this after I hit a bad shot. Most people, it's a reaction. But it's a reaction to what you're around. So to train yourselves, if you listen to contemporary worship music and you study your Bible and you try to think on, you know, Philippians, the chapter that's whatever's, lovely, whatever's not, and you put, you're feeding, well, guess what's going to win? Now, he says at the end of chapter 7 and 24 of Romans, what a wretched man I am, who will

rescue me from this body of death? It said, thanks be to God through Jesus Christ, our Lord. And so that is the ultimate victory to try to, you know, what they say, put yourself in Jesus' shoes, realize you have the spirit, operate like he does. makes the point of the Hebrew writer, anyone who lives on milk, you're not trained enough to take control of your tongue. Being still an infant is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness, how to say and do what's right. But solid foods for the mature who by constant use, like the train of your tongue, my J, have trained themselves to do

something that's remarkably simple when you read it but profound. They've trained themselves. No one else did it for you. You have to do it. Self-training. To distinguish good from evil. There it all is right there as far as the way you behave. You say, just train yourself.

Well, and you got to be patient for the process when a baby's born. You don't give meat, but tell you those, you know, three days into this. This is not coming in 24 hours. Yeah, even though you know, well, it's hard to tell somebody that. They're like, well, I'm struggling with this and I'm struggling that. Yep. You don't want to say, well, you're just immature. But that's exactly what it is.

That's right. It took you, you know, 20 years for your life to become a complete disaster. And even though God saved you and can save you in a moment, it's going to take a while to break this cycle and be fed by the spirit and the word. When I was under control of the evil one, it was no problem filth coming out of my mouth, and I didn't think anything about it. I came to Jesus because deep in all of our hearts in our minds, we know what good speech is and we know what good living is.

We all know. We all know the difference between good and evil. No matter what they say, well, you know, I didn't know. Yeah, they know. We all know. That's what my point was about obvious, you know. But the few gray areas. You sear that old conscience and you sear it and you see it,

you'll finally get down there at a level where it's almost important. possible to get it un- Well, you'll start calling evil good and good evil. There you go. Which I see in our culture all the time.

Oh, you see it everywhere. But it's funny. Sometimes even it's the setting because just yesterday I was at the golf course or May it was Day 4 and we were about to tee off and there's a large group of people because Jason I play as part of a larger group

and this guy comes up. I met him for the first time and there's another younger man just kind of not really talking to us but standing nearby. I heard him. about two or three F-bombs, you know, in whatever conversation was at. It wasn't aimed at me, but I just heard it. And as soon as the guy asked me, he said, oh, you're the, so I admit you.

So you're the pastor of the family, right? I said, well, yeah, that's what they call me, either pastor or the preacher or the beardless one, you know. Or the weirdo. So we start, yeah, the weirdo. So we start having a conversation about the podcast. He's like, oh, man, your family and all this stuff. So I, this guy over here got quiet. I mean, like, you know, he's like.

just telling a story, laced with F-bombs, then it was nothing. And then I noticed when this conversation got going, then he started talking again. I never heard another cuss word out of it. So even though his conscience may not be ready for himself, just when he heard you're the pastor and I was standing three feet away from him, he stopped, which was interesting to me because I thought, well, if you can stop in front of me, you could probably just stop if you wanted to. Peter, you know what I'm saying? You changed the whole culture.

The dynamic. Let's take another break. One motivating factor, and it should be, America laughs at it, but we'll see you in the end. Peter talks about the destruction of the cosmos. He said, since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed it's coming. You ought to be happy to see him arrive and end it all, and you get out alive. Most don't, but there would be some that do. But someone said, is that motivation adding scriptures?

You take the scriptures and you put them in your brain pan. You said, does that help you? Yeah, it helps me. It strikes fear in me. Watching this coming, you're like, whoa, I'd like rather see the day of Jesus coming when he ends it. I'd like to be on solid ground when he shows up. You see what I'm saying? I think that's a good question for house churches and Bible groups.

You just say, how many of you are looking forward to Jesus coming back? There you go. That's a good question. It tends to stop people in their tracks, and they imagine Jesus coming back and say, am I looking forward to that? Well, some people are saying, I'm really not. Or I haven't thought about it. We don't want to be in that.

You're not going to believe. the ones who are going to be screaming and hollering for mercy. Oh, I'll believe it. Please help me. Please help me. Wait a minute. Oh, this is true. I'd rather be on the right side of this thing.

Well, look, and a good point to make when talking about the scriptures is, and we've made this point before, it's not them in and of themselves. And a lot of people say, well, I know I need to read my Bible more, as if somehow in the act of it is what makes us spiritual, makes us godly, but it's not. you have to be seeking Christ and through the process of when you find that relationship with him, the scriptures just add to that and mature you and grow you. A lot of people look at it like Jesus was telling the Pharisees, you know, they were great at being able to quote scripture. Unfortunately, as we said, they miss Jesus.

So you've got to be a see see. Look, I see people training their bodies because of the foods they eat, trying to make sure all the way down to make sure that you don't eat, drink bottled water, and make sure you don't eat, have too much cholesterol and too many carb or hydrants, and yeah, they've got all these things they take for bodies, but they all die. Yeah. And most of them die at about the given average.

Yep. You know, 77, 78 for a male, 82 for a woman. We're lengthening our life a little bit. Right now they say it's slipping a little, opioids, whatever. But you look at that and you say, no matter what you do for body beautiful, it's going to shrivel up and get wrinkly. People don't want to talk about that. They don't.

Well, my point is, if you're going to spend that much time on food stuff, you at least ought to look at it from a spiritual perspective. It's a great point. Maybe try this. It's a great point. If we put into practice all the training and the eating, you know, which is become an obsession. Yeah.

If we just put that into the spiritual arena. I just think, you want to change the culture? I mean, you think about how much you work out. Most people who are really in shape that work out all the time, I usually bring up and they always get offended. I'm not knocking them. I'm not either. I'm perfectly fine, but I will bring up,

and it's always kind of awkward. I was like, you need to have that same time and effort on the spiritual side. It needs to be an equal balance. I had a mother and father one time come to me. And they said, Phil, we can't do anything with our son. He was about 22 young. I mean, I'm talking about this dude was solid muscle. He was torched up, narrow waist.

He was a bull. Iron. He pumped iron, you know, doing flips. He had it down. And I would look at it. He was so torqued up that when he walked by, you noticed it. Well, I was going out across the park a lot one time after church services. His mother and father said, see if you can do something, maybe plant a little seed.

Which, by the way, Dad, it's a great time to interject this. You're so often, like, people's like, it's the last, if we could just give them. It's his last chance. It's last chance. We could just give them in front of field. So he said, give him a try. If you can find, you know, please find time to put him in your schedule. I said, okay.

So about a month or two later, I'm walking across the potterlight and I spot him. He's over and leaned up against the car. I walked up and I said, good night. I said, you talk about muscles. I said, man. And he was swelling when you said to him. When I touched his arm, he just flexed it a little bit. He just, I mean, I said, man, at the muscles.

I said, hey, let me ask you something. What's going to happen though when all them muscles end up in a six-foot hole? I don't care how to talk to you are. You're going into a hole in the ground. No, your exact line, Dad, was you said you've got quite the physique. And he grin when you said, you said, how are you going to get it out of the ground? That was the way you put. I didn't get it out of the ground.

And he looked at me. He got serious in. And I said, Rick, we need to talk. he said, yeah. I said, be there Friday. I said, come down Friday, we'll talk it over. He comes down. I went through the gospel.

God loves him. Jesus died for him, removed your sin, muscle and all. Whether you're torqued up or whether you're just skinny as a rail. He'll remove your sin. And look, he would smile at the end of it. He said, take me to the river. So I walked down there. And, you know, when you grabbed him, it was just like grabbing or not.

But Dine went and up he came, but he just needed somebody to say, dude. You talked up, you did well, you got a, you're a hulk of a man, but it's not going to last. That's right. Yeah. So that's a good story. Well, it reminds us of what really does matter most. And you have to tell people that. You have to be consistent with that out there because, look, everybody's going to face this thing.

And I thought it was interesting during the coronavirus. You kept seeing all these science. Just follow the science. We're listening to the science. And the science is going to lead us. And it's all about the science. Yeah. Which was really interesting because I thought, you know, science is just theories that people have.

And then they test them. And sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. Science is very, it's not really what you want to put all your hope in. It's a very fluid situation. I would hate to be in a position to where the only chance I could come up with. is maybe he's not there. Just maybe he may not be there. My question always is, but what if he is?

That's right. So I can't just forward to take the chance. And how do we explain what looks like around us? Do you bet you. Let's take another break. I remember feeling a duck blind one time. We had somebody in there that, you know, we used to make biscuits every day in the duck line,

which now we, you know, sometimes we may. But I mean, we had somebody in there that was talking about, what was that a biscuit? What was wrong with it? You know, I mean, I'm hunting. I'm hungry. I smell the biscuit. This is the coolest thing. It's one of the greatest things you can do in my mind.

The hot biscuit and a cold bag. Remember, you all had these weird biscuit makers that they closed. It was max. Yeah. And you just put them on any kind of fire. And it's like in 10 minutes, you got biscuits. And I mean, they're just like they're fresh out of the oven. Oh, who invented that?

But awesome. Yeah. And somebody was down in biscuits, like saying, well, you know, they say, you know, take five years off your life and all the ingredients. Phil's over just being, you know, being quiet. I thought, no, what's he going to think about this? Because mainly we are eating the biscuits to get to the jelly, which because Phil's a, you know, famous jelly. Jelly aficionado. Phil said, hey, whatever his name was.

He said, you never want to get to be 50, 60 years old and say to yourself, I should have ate that biscuit. and everybody hesitated and then busted out laughing. And so then we were eating biscuits, them too. And I was like, you know, it really wasn't a profound statement, but it's like, you know, we're eating this biscuit and we're going to enjoy it too. So I think you got to show, I mean, I'm all for seeing what's healthy and trying to be healthy lives, but I'm at the expense of your spiritual life, number one, that's just stupid. if you're not putting the same amount of time into eternity and character,

well, that's just stupid to me. A lot of people worship it, like the whole, whether it's the exercise or the, you know, the food gods, I call them, where everything just becomes about whatever they're doing. You know, like it's, you know, it just becomes their thing. But it becomes your motivation to it. You know what I've noticed? Because we've all dealt with a lot of people on an individual basis. I've noticed a lot of women and men who all of a sudden,

they started eating right and they start getting in shape. And, you know, everybody's thinking, this is awesome. You look fantastic. And then when you set them on the couch, you find out that they were doing it because they were having an affair. And that was the driving motivation because all of a sudden, the physical was now pull. Body beautiful, Tucker. Well, right.

Now we're getting down the situation. So here I am thinking, now wait a minute, I'm all for getting in shape. I'm all for you feeling. better about yourself, but you've turned that into something that's wrecking your life and your family and its sinful behavior. Let's stick to the working out and gearing that, you know, toward the husband or whatever. But so I'm just saying it, you can't take it at face value because like in the world, they're like, oh, isn't this great? She's better in herself or he's, you know, he's done, well, yeah, it's got a hook in that that particular act had a hook in it.

Say what they will, Al. I've been saying this for years. Where the Jesus rate is high. We're back on this. The crime rate is low. The sin rate, you said. I like the crime rate is high. I've actually like to see some stats always.

Always. Or some numbers. As a general rule. It's just from observation. I know, but you live in the middle of nowhere and you don't go out. But I'll probably agree just because. Look at our culture. Look at our culture, Jason.

Tell me what you think. The world's a big place. But I think the principles that are applying would probably true. But I just don't have a – I don't know how to study that is all I'm saying. I do. Just observation. He's a man of science. I just look and say –

Yeah. I would love for somebody to do a study, but unfortunately in our society, they don't do studies. Well, I know there are good people in crime areas, unfortunately. that are trapped there, and that's unfortunate in this current climate. But I do agree that there are a lot of sinful people running around making life miserable for a lot of people in the current climate. We see it every day. But to your point a minute ago, Jay, you're right.

Lisa and I've worked with, obviously, we work with a lot of people who have had affairs and things like that. And I can't tell you how many times these things will come on the heels of someone making a big physical transformation. It's like all of a sudden something kicked into them is like, and then all of a sudden they're kind of out there in a way they wouldn't have been before. They're just looking at it through the wrong lens. I brought that up because I see it.

I see it a lot. All of a sudden, their dress starts showing more of their body because they want to show it all. And I'm like, well, you're attracting, this is not the type of attention. If you want to show more of your body, go home with your husband or your wife. Yeah. And show it off to them and have a big time. God sanctioned, go for it. But that's not.

in a lot of cases of what's happening. You're familiar with that, too. Oh, yeah. So what I'm, my point is, we're all into healthy things that make you have a healthy life, but what separates us from the world, it's what you're doing with that that's more important.

If you're using it as a, you know, some kind of weapon to destroy your family and, you know, disrupt your kids and lose your eternal salvation, well, I'm never, you know,

I'm not sanctioning that. In the grand scheme of thing, that's really small to what's the kind of food you're putting in your spiritual life, you know? And I mean, look, if we convert someone who's 300 pounds overweight, obviously we're going to get to making better healthy decisions. But I know one thing, if they have the Spirit of God and they have the greatest manual in the history of the planet to help you make better decisions, you're going to be way more on the right road to making that kind of decision. decision, then you were just saying, hey, why don't you eat healthy? You know, so you'll get 10 more years on the earth. Or that becoming your thing.

There was a question that I wanted, I'm going to ask the question, and we'll take a break, and we'll come back and try to do it. This is interesting because we get a lot of questions like this, this is from Robert. And I think the problem with Robert, with the question, as you framed it, is that you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. But here's what he said. Why would God allow a person to be born? which out of the bat, there's a problem with that, but that lives an unrepent life and

eventually goes to hell. If God knows they are eventually going to hell and going to suffer for eternity, why would he even allow it? I heard it thousands of times. And then even makes the, comes back with what I would have said anyway, wouldn't we refuse to reproduce and have kids if we knew they were going to hell? We would break our hearts the whole time. So let's take a break and then we'll tackle that. I've heard this question many times. It's usually coming from a place of trying to put God in our understanding. Because you've got to remember, the first thing I always say to that question is,

I don't even answer the question because I'm like, you're trying to put God on a timeline. Here's the problem of that. He doesn't time. It's just a line. There's no timeline. So if you have a being who is, bigger than before, present, and after.

He's bigger than those three concepts. So the only time time exists is here. So we look at something like, well, if he knew beforehand what was going to happen after, well, why didn't he do? Well, he's not, he's only using the phraseology in the Bible for our benefit. Correct. It's not before, during, right? It just is.

So my quick response would be, we've been studying John. There's somewhere in John 7. It says something about chooses. Let's see, 7. Now, he was making a different point, but I just want to use this illustration. John 7, 17. It says, Jesus says, if anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

And all my point is, well, God already knows what we're going to choose. So my question in response to his question would be, well, why did Jesus say that? Because he already knows who chose what. Well, why did he say that? The process was his idea to show his love and to have a family, an eternal family, because that is his his nature. So, you know, you can get into other areas of you don't really understand good unless you had evil.

You don't understand glory unless you had dishonor. There's always two sides of this thing for you to realize where you're at, which I think that's ultimately why this operates the way it does. I think you're right. There's two things that I see in the question. One is there is the importance of choice. God gave us choice. We were created to choose, both to that verse, but the garden, all of it.

So choice is our part in this. And so it's not like he takes that choice away because the Robert, the way you framed the question was he would give us no choice if he only created us to do those that would only go to heaven. I mean, you have to make a choice. Number two is the importance of life. Because think about this, to answer the question, that's exactly what God did. He intervened in time by Jesus coming here.

Look, he knew what was going to happen to Jesus. He knew he was going to suffer. He knew he was going to die. He knew all that. It's like he knew, but he just knows. He just interjected himself as a man, but the whole plan has already happened. That's why it's some troubling verses in the Bible. They're not troubling, if you look at it from God's perspective, like the one in

Ephesians 2, where it says, he seated us with him in the heavenly realms. Well, nobody wants to talk about that. Right. Because I thought, well, it's a translation issue or no, in his mind, we're seated with him in the heavenly realms. He can already see beyond our time. Before we even got here. That's why your heart is so important. You're not going to trick God.

But I would recommend to Robert is he go back. We did a whole podcast about Judas because there was a similar question. Yep. Well, why, you know, is Judas? What's the deal with that? It didn't seem fair. because, you know, he kept warning about what was going to happen. It didn't seem fair to Jesus.

It was almost like, well, he didn't have a chance to not. Yeah, they think he didn't have a choice. He was just created. Well, I think go back and listen to that, and you'll see our take on. To me, it's the opposite. The fact that Judas, he was chosen as one of the chosen 12, that he washed his feet, that he loved him, I think shows that God's nature, even those who don't want to choose, you get to live. You get the chance.

And you don't want to surrender. Even though he knows the ones who didn't, there's something about this process, all of us going through it. And I mean process, life. There's something about life whether people decide to not make the most of it or they embrace Jesus. There's something in that battle that we all share. that that experience ultimately is victory. Yep. Well, God has provided ways for a person, he said,

if he already knew there's going to hell, first of all, they made the decision. I don't care what you say, God. He's provided the manual. He's provided the ones such as ourselves to proclaim. I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God nor does the perishable, that's every one of us, including what's that guy's name? Robert.

Robert, you're perishable, my man. First Corinthians 15. Yep. The perishable that can't inherit the imperishable, Robert. Listen, I tell you a mystery, and you ask the question, so it's a mystery to you. We will not all sleep. That's when you die, but we will all be changed in a flash. in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet.

Here comes Jesus back, and if you've died, all the ones in the grave, they are coming back to life, some to hell, son to heaven. The trumpet of sound, the dead will be raised, the sons of God and daughters, imperishable, and we will be changed to live in a different realm, an eternal one, for the perishable, that's what we are now, Robert, must clothe itself with the imperishable. That's what will be. And the mortal, the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality,

then the saying that is written will come true. Death has been swallowed up in victory. Where old death is your victory? Where old death is your sting? Because it comes upon all of us. The sting of death is sin. That's what causes it. Separates from God.

God sent Jesus to solve it for you. And the power of sin is the law. You never kept the law, Robert, and I didn't either. You made a conscious decision to break it. But thanks be to God. He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, dear brothers, stand firm, let nothing move you. Immortalities on the line here. Always give yourself fully to the

work of the Lord, which we're doing right now, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain. There's escape hatch that God is fixed so that all can escape if they want to. But it's their choice, like you said, Al. It's their choice to make. I want to bring up in the last minute that we have, Romans 8, which I think answers the question directly, but, you know, it's this question of one of you will say to me, this is Romans 819, why does God still blame us for who resist his will? And he says, but who are you? Oh man, talk about it to God. Shall what is form say to him who formed it?

Why did you make me like this? Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay, some pottery for noble and some for common use. That answers Robert's question. And then it says, what if God choosing to show his wrath and making his power known bore with great patience the objects of wrath prepared for destruction?

What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy whom he prepared in advance for glory? Even us. So my point is, you read that, you think, ultimately it's his call. We don't have a better explanation for

life and where we're going. I think some of this will be made a little more clear once we're all standing literally in the presence of God. But to me, I think there's something to the process of the good and the bad and having an understanding of true victory. You wouldn't know if you weren't competing and someone didn't lose, well, how would you know what it was to win? Yeah, that's right. You couldn't win if you couldn't lose. He made us in his image. and he made us, and 2 Peter 3 says he doesn't want anyone to perish, but everyone to choose him. Just make sure you choose victory in Jesus, Romans. Hey, Robert.

Are you listed, boy? Choose wisely. So thank you, Robert. Thank you, Bobby, because we were talking about your question about struggle when we first started the podcast. I'll close out by reminding you that Dad's got a new book, Jesus politics that's going to be coming out. It's going to be released on August the 4th, but you can pre-order, and we'd like for you to pre-order. It helps us to be able to promote the book. Pre-order and Ms. Kay made coconut pies today.

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