Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 108 | Phil Reacts to 'Naked & Afraid,' Nature Is Metal, and Why Would God Allow Evil? | Ep 108

Episode Date: June 28, 2020

Jase introduces Phil to "Naked and Afraid," and the results are unexpected. Phil's beaver battle has managed to attract every bird of prey in the state. Jase responds to a picture of a snake with salamander legs. Phil says the lies coming from Hollywood, academia, the media, and the political world are skyrocketing. And Phil, Al, Jase, and Zach discuss the origin of evil, what it is, and why God would allow it to exist. Pre-order Jesus Politics by Phil Robertson: http://jesuspoliticsbook.com See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? The Instagram page is nature is metal and it's photos and videos of the most horrific scenes in nature. If you watch it, you come away with basically the understanding that nature is very brutal. The eunuch yesterday eating. I look down and one set of our moments. The beaver, they had piled up a bunch of mud and logs up against where I'm draining water. I'm finally being able to drain my water so we can come back, put it back, plant the thing and duck food,

and then put the water back on it. So I'll borrow the water for duck season, and then we drain it all out. Well, draining it out, you have these varmarts, beaver, they try to stop it up every step of the way. every day you have to go down there sometime i had a track hole down there they had piled up at least one ton of mud and logs to even get to it where i could drain it at all so we got a track hole with a redneck run it so that's just to get that going well now every time you give them it'll flow during the day you come back the next morning during the night they plugged it up solid so you will remove the debris it flows during the day they plug it up at night they plug it up at

night. It flows during the day. So that's the scenario. When we walked up there, I said, Dan, get out there and start taking all that debris out. Well, a cotton mouth comes out from under there. So that's, deadly poisonous. So that cotton mouth gets out of the way. Dan gets up there. And he says, okay. So he starts, I look out there at about 15 yards. I just looked to my left, Dan, he's looking down doing this, to your point about it, can get violent. I just looked up, and I saw two big old eyes, Gator, and he's about 15 yards, and he's just barely moving toward us. And I said, Dan, I said, look over there.

So, Dan, he looks up, you know, and that Gator's head is sitting there looking at him, you know. He said, whoa, whoa, whoa, now. I said, no, that's old Pete. I said, he's friendly. I said, I saw him last year. I said he's about foot longer than he was last year. But that's old Pete. He stayed down here all the time.

Oh, Dan, you know, he was watching. That's your subliminal message to try to keep your worker working. Phil's like, no, give him a name. He wouldn't hurt. He wouldn't hurt him life. It's just Pete. Dan is not familiar with the woods. You will.

See, what more people don't realize, they say, we know this. among the cotton miles from the beaver damage to the alligators you sent Dan down in that first he's the first man in I mean I'm just saying I saw that picture I went down there because I heard all this about the damn and that so I because I didn't know if Phil was just giving me a version of the story so you weren't sure how much hyperbole is being applied to the story so I drove down yesterday and looked at it and I was I was struck because I thought What happened when that water goes down so quick, well, it went from, you know, an ocean to now it's just in the creek channel.

That's right. Well, all those fish that didn't go out the pipe, and there's thousands of them, they're all in a closed space now. Just teeming. Well, and so that, every bird of prey in this state, because you're talking about some decoys, has descended on that. literally are watching the food chain and it's a it's a brutal thing to what it's a rated r movie basically happening right now oh yeah everybody's eating each other that's right however from an

environmental point that is what i'm doing there is a wonderful thing for all these cranes herons all these waiting birds because they come there i've made them a great food supply I had a lot of water covering a lot of ground, weeds, thickets, and I draw it all down. It's a natural cycle. The water's been up 15 to 20 feet deep over there. Well, now I'm looking at it where there's two inches of water or less. And if you look at it, you say, man, the crawfish and the snails and the tadpoles, so the little minors, so these birds, they've just swarmed it.

But it's a great thing for shorebirds. a good part of habitat. We're after ducks during duck season. But it's good for everything that's up to fish. They're getting eaten in a brutal way. That's why they're called a food supply, food chain. That's right. That's the role of the fish.

That's one little potto. Can you imagine when that water was up 15 feet deep, it's a huge spawning ground, which is why you don't want to drain a dam up all your rivers. Your rivers need to flow. Some of them need to get up high and spread out through the woods because it's a place where they all raise. But isn't it true? Fortunately with the Washington Star, we're on that river. They were going to cut all the curves out of it, make a ditch out of it.

We all rose up and said, no, don't do that. You're messing with God's habitat. Mankind can ruin some great habitat in a hurry. I'm here to make it, make habitat, help it, help it, help it. Because there's a reason why. The reason there are curves you put on. oxygen comes from the flow. I mean, the almighty made a system that works.

Mankind comes mostly for money. Plus, I'm looking at birds. I'm looking at alligators. I'm looking at cotton bouts. I'm looking at all kinds of fish. I'm looking at crawfish. I'm looking at crane. You say you're seeing what this backwater coming and going.

Most people, it'd be their worst nightmare. And they would say, how in the world? Why would y'all pay big money for this? I said, we're into the creator, the one who created all this. We're enjoying it. We're working within his parameters. We understand big waters, high waters. So we flood every year over there.

We flood. We move equipment out. We move it back in. So we're working with what the Almighty has provided. You know, there's a God based on what's been made. Well, if they would go over there and just sit there and look at these birds coming in over there and all. the fish, there's an alligator, and there's these cotton mouths.

You've got to watch. You say, for me, it's the ultimate visit on earth while I'm here. What's funny is, Dad, nobody would have ever thought this, you know, but you are an original environmentalist in the ultimate sense. That is correct. Conservationist, creating habitat. I live there. You lived it.

I live there. So, you know, that's funny because you think of us and people look at us as hunters or whatever. Those people don't understand the environment. We're like, no, no, no, we're all about it. We're all about creating conservation. Tell me, is this true? So the birds, these birds fly over to other places,

and they're dropping seeds along the way, stuff they pick up one place, go to another. So all this is part of the ecosystem. Listen, I put in an eight acre, kind of a deep water pond, stocked it with brim, crappie, bass. And the guy I did the levy work for him. I said, make it to where it doesn't look like it's a man-made thing. I said, fix it to where it's, it doesn't stand out.

It blends in good. I said, what is it now? And they said, well, there's just a field of weeds. I said, I want to make that field of weeds. I want to put water on a shallow water so that birds, shipwere birds and shorebirds and ducks, and there'll be fish, and there'll be all these different things. I said, I want to make this habitat, turn the weeds into habitat. Plant cypress trees, you know, they're not making any more of them,

so we have to plant them so you get cypress trees. Beautiful thing. Six years after they made that, the rain started and it filled up. That was six years ago. If you look out there now, there are willow trees 30 to 40 feet tall. I didn't plant any trees there except the Cyprus. When the cranes went over there and walking around in the water, those little willow seeds, willow,

plumes, they're flume, they call it. Well, when that stuck on these crane's legs, way over there where our willow tree was, that crane flew over out of where there were no willow trees. And in six years, the whole thing is surrounded by will of trees, and now a lot of them are like 20 feet tall. It hadn't been by six years.

So when you look at it now, from where we started, I said, I never planted any of those trees, but they all came up from the cranes bringing in the willer the will of seeds walking around the bank, they planted the whole thing for me. The Almighty did through these birds, and I'm like, boy, God is on top of this thing. I said, look at that.

We use it to brush our blinds. I mean, there's all kind of good uses. It's more than enough for me to get all my brush from my blinds. I cut them fixing the start here in June, July. You always look at you watch. You've never owned a watch. That looks at that empty wrist. I get these willers.

Yeah, I don't have to have. I get these willers. And you say, and the next year, after you cut all the, I don't cut near all of them, there's so many of them, but I cut these willows and look, and they just mowed down. I come back a year later. It's right now June. Next June, I'll come in there where I cut them. They're all back.

And they're like, I'm cutting willows I cut last year, this year. They're about six to ten foot long already. one year, six to ten foot tall, beautiful things. I cut them, take them and haul them on a trailer, go bust my blinds, and they're mowed down. Two weeks after I do that, you look where you cut them, and they're sprouting out, and they'll be this tall in about a month. They'll be this tall. The more you cut them, the bigger.

You could cut them twice in a year. I mean, they just explode. Pretty cool to work with. So when we say in the woods with field, that is exactly what you get. That's right. Which, by the way, is that show on blazedtv.com. But what is the fascination with Hollywood about putting human beings in there? I mean, we were raised there and like making a show.

You know, they had the show naked and afraid, you know. So you take yuppies for the most part and just, I don't know, I guess the take the take and the clothes off was just a draw to get people to watch, I guess. The only thing I can, to answer your question, the only thing I can think of is you say, well, let's, if you got them along, let's strip them naked so really people watch this. So once you start getting naked on a TV show, you're like, huh? Well, the next thing, if you gave that guy, the naked one,

if you gave him a can of spray paint, he would write F-U-C-K up there on one of the tree. Where did that come from, Dad? Those two things just sort of correlate, if you know what I'm saying. I think you've seen this on the news. I get beyond, out of all the words you could come up with, the word that follows the rioters and the looters, it's that word. And I'm thinking. What we talk about, you saw some. My point is, Jace, I never run upon a good man or good woman who used that word or painted it on on statues, side of building.

I've never run upon a person that was a good person who did that. Have you? You'd just be well to bet that they started out naked in the woods before they ever got. Well, why do they get naked? Well, why do they write that word everywhere? There's a lot of whys here. I'm thinking, give me a break. He heard naked.

The naked was his trigger weren't triggers. Set him off. You remember, Marxism says you must dethrone God. You say, how do you do it? strip people naked and film them or give them a kind of spray paint and see what they say. And if you see what they say, you say, they want to get rid of God. Well, they're angry. It's lawless.

They seem angry. Oh, they seem very angry. They are angry. No, I was just saying people are fascinated with that. What's the one? There's a new one or something. Well, there's one called Alone where they stick them out. I think it's called Alone.

They stick them out in the Alaska wilderness, Vancouver, and they're, and they put you in an area where you have no access to anybody else. It's just you in the land. And they don't tell you, whoever can last the longest. So they may go, you know, 30, 40 days. And you don't know, so you don't know if the other person is quit or whatnot. There's that one. There's naked and afraid.

Then there's the bear grill. Below zero or something. Yeah, there's a whole, there's a lot of them. There's only one where they get naked, though. Yeah. Which I'm watching. It's not a sexual thing. It's more like nasty bug bites.

I mean, it's more like, let's strip you down to primitive man and see how you, see if you can survive. Let's take a quick break. So I think it's more, and the more, two things I think. One is, for some people, apparently, it doesn't really appeal to me. It's something about seeing somebody put in that situation, especially out of their element and then just suffering that people like. I mean, just the idea of like all this bad stuff happening to them.

I guess that's dramatic is part of it. And then I think the other thing may be because most of people watching it are probably stacked up in cities, as we talked about before. So the idea of not having human contact is like so foreign to them because every day they walk in New York. I mean, you're surrounded by thousands of people. Maybe that's the appeal. You know, it's weird to me. The thing I like about it is they'll eat, you know, because you've got to eat. And it's like, okay if they hunt in that environment, I guess it's socially acceptable.

Yeah, because you got to eat. is, you know, then you have some of them that are, that go too far. Do they have something to hunt with? I mean, what do you hunt with? I've actually never watched the show. Which one you're talking about naked? I mean, any of it. I mean, I don't, any of them.

Do they give me any supplies or nothing? No, but I think you may get like one. Some of them have like you can take two things with you. But it's not like, you can't have like a weapon, like a gun or anything. But they eat what they find. They eat bugs and snail. Yeah, but as soon as you turn the cameras off, they're over, and one of them, um, nut bars.

I'm going to town. Well, you call them a little nugget thing. The nut nugget. Nut, nugget. Nut bars. Like a granola. He says, yeah, that granola, get on the granola. No, their problem is, boys, I've said this for years and years from observation.

Their problem is, they don't know what their problem is. they don't know. That is their problem. They get up and they're angry and you say, why are you angry? And it's like, oh, what's the old Western? The old boy, what was the guy? Johnny Ringo.

Johnny Ringo, well, why are they up in them talking about it? You know, he said, well, what is he wanted? He said, Reven. He said, for what? And he said, for being born? Yeah, that's right. I don't know if that's the cast of these shows or not, but I think we're talking about two different things.

But I mean, I do think that you look at what's going on in our country right now. There's a lot of people. Well, there's an excuse is what he's talking about. Back to Johnny Ringoes, they've got a hole right in the middle of them. And I do think that speaks to a lot. He can't fill it. Look, the reason there's an opioid crisis is because people are trying to fill a hole with something. Yeah.

And to numb it or whatever. And they can't, of course, we know what to put in the hole. We're saying, look, if you can connect to the creator, you can be. filled. But they don't know that. So they go to turn to drugs, alcohol, you know. Well, then you're drunk, you don't care what happens. Even Jesus said, because you got to, you got to wake up and throw up at some point. Well, then you just get drunk again. That's right. Jesus said out of the overflow of your heart, whatever you upload in your, in your brain,

your mouth, the mouth speaks. Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. He's saying, you know, people who, it's filth's coming out of their mouth. You say it's coming out of their heart. That's who they are. Right. That was my point about the, you know, we get a lot of questions about, you know, how do I stop using bad language? Because it's mainly reactionary. You're putting all this in your head.

And a vigil. You know, yeah. And then when you get in a situation, it just, it just happened. You can't stop it if you try. It's too late for that. That's a common, you know, you hit your thumb. Yeah, that's a good point. It's just, bam.

I was had a curse word in many, many years, years, way back. You said, how did you, because solid food is for the mature who by constant use, the scriptures, have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil, which is today's kind of how do you know, how do you be good? I mean, you know, what is evil? Where do it come from? Is God the author of evil, or is He the author of good?

And the old conscience we have, you know, your conscience will tell you, you know, I don't know about your conscience, you know, sometimes judges, some kind of defends you, the apostle Paul said in Romans too. You say something about that conscious, we all know what good is and we know what evil is. So with that, you say we have a choice. to choose one or the other because both of them are there and they've been there from the beginning

well the author of evil God had it down to a tree and a certain fruit you had to eat and not eat you're like hmm the serpent was a crafty was more crafty than any of the wild animals what do you think that means

the serpent was more crafty that means slick he can slick you and you don't know you've been slicked but if the evil one was a spiritual being in the He didn't have a body was housing the snake, or was it a narrative of... Well, the other question is, the snake was cursed to slither from that point forward.

So what was he doing before that? Well, he had legs like a salamander, I guess. Something, yeah, because he wasn't slithering until he got cursed. That would explain the evolutionary process of the going from the legs to without them. Maybe it's up. Maybe it. This has happened in the curse. I know somebody, look, my, this is, this is for real.

I hate doing this because it's my father-in-law. So if he listens to this, it may be embarrassing. But the other day, we love you, Larry. We had him come over for supper, and he's like, he had a picture, and he's like, what do you make of this? Well, I looked, and it was a snake that was like half snake, half salamander. And he's like, I mean, I could see it in his eyes. explain this. I said, Photoshop.

Adobe? And he was like, oh, you know, that's not out there. I was like, that's not out there. Fake news, man. Yeah. But he was upset about it because I was like, and if you run up on that in the woods, you call me. Because you need my help. We need to analyze this. You got a trap. Don't kill it. Trap. We need to study that. We need to study that. But, you know, they do the same thing with. You're scary enough without legs. I'd hate to add a couple of legs to them. I've had thousands of pictures, you know, the same one sent to me about this giant bullfrog

and people swear it's real. You know, the thing weighs like 14 pounds. I'm like, no, it's a, it's not real. But everybody thinks it is, and then I'm known for frog hunting. So they're like, hey, send it to Jason. You know, this is your frog. It's not real. What's the name of that one that's the, it looks like a, then we saw it when we filmed

Doug Dynasty. Somebody had one in a camp, but they made it out of a deer, but it's a chimmy. Oh, yeah, I've seen that. What's it called? It's like several different species. Yeah, all in one. They called it a chimichanga. A lot of the people have this fascination. It's like to always go back to the guy who was, you know, living with the bears and everybody was following him, you know, until the tape recorder. Yeah. When they released of the Bears, you know, and killing him. I mean, yeah, it's not funny, but you know the guy's like yeah that there's some appeal that we're all going to live in this you know I wouldn't mind watching what's going on over at the dog now but you know to insert myself

especially without clothes and the middle of it they're going to live here that's a new series naked jace well you a human can't compete in in the wild without our rational faculties which would include the ability to develop weapons and clothing. And clothes. That's our advantage is that we have rational faculty. So I think that's on some level, I think that there's probably a, at least in the environmentalist movement, there's probably like this dehumanization thing going on. Let's let's have an anthropology that's not rooted in Genesis 126. We're different.

We are different from any other animal. Yeah. I mean, think about however many thousands or millions. of years ago, depending on what your belief of how the earth is, a deer is still doing what a deer was doing 10,000 years ago. But yet, look at, look at humans. We're living drastically different because we've built upon the past. We have memories.

We have rational capabilities. We're creative because we're made in God's image. So we have language, linguistic properties that the animal kingdom doesn't have. And so I think it's, I think when, and even with the, we talk about the anger of the left right now and what's going on in our country, I think some of this, and you've got to be careful how you talk about this, but I think some of this is predicated on, on a very flawed anthropology of what, like what does it mean to be human. Yeah, I think that's the question that nobody has an answer. We do, because we have, we have, you know, but they, I mean, you know what to be. Let's take another break. You don't have to be careful saying that here because I think that's a fact.

But to me, they lose common sense. It's like the stuff about the clothing analogy. Well, see, to me, that became stupid then. Let's go on the wall, take off all our clothes, see if we can survive. Well, that's stupid because you go ahead and wear some clothes. But, you know, I get it. They're trying to, they want people to watch. They don't really want to create a scenario that makes sense.

I mean, the simplistic stuff with me, it's like I notice animals. If you go down there and watch this, because it's exciting to watch. Because I'm looking at who's getting who. Because you want to be the biggest bird down there. I don't know what that is. You probably noticed them. Those big black and white bird, they're like six by six. Yeah, they got all kind of, I don't know the exact name for them.

I mean, they're coming in there. Like a lizard? No, no. That comes later. We haven't entered. Yeah, we're still at everybody's. alive. Now, at some point there's going to be a lot of death going on.

When you, when you pull up there and you roll down that window and the smell hits you, now we have a whole new cast of characters. Right, Phil? Sometimes it's best when you, because one of the downsides to being in your 70s, mid-70s, is when you get in your mid-70s,

you, your sense of smell begins to wrap up. I could have told you that. Because when you've gone these long weeks, sometimes without bathing, I realize that you no longer have the ability to smell yourself. Because I'm like, man, this joker's staining. I'm going to do an experiment and see if my clothes are warmer if I don't bathe, which remember when you did that for like a month? Yep.

You smell leaves when you hit about made. Not good when your house is right. It is interesting that going way back so everyone will know this. because in John 8 Jesus is talking I've not come on my own but he this is John 8 about verse 40 in there somewhere

he sent me why is my language not clear to you now just think about the time frame 2,000 years ago fast forward to now because you're unable to hear what I say you here's a bunch of people who said they believed in him but they lied you belong to your father

there seems to be a relationship between the wicked and who's behind all of it, the devil. And you want to carry out your father's desire. If you go back to Genesis, you say, well, here he is again. And these people belong to him. He is their father. There's a relationship. He was a murderer from the beginning. Kane and Abel, you say the first recorded murder.

you say, why did Cain kill Abel? Why did he do it? What was this a problem? Don't be like Cain, it says, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. Why did he murder him? I'm quoting 1st John, but chapter 3 or 4. Why did he murder him?

Because his own deeds were evil and his brothers were righteous. So Jesus told these people in John 8, he Satan was a murderer from the beginning so there's your father of murder not holding to the truth which is your point uh Zach for there's no truth in him well now we're morphing out from what happens when you see murder what's behind that when he lies Satan he speaks his native language for he is a liar and he's the father of lies Therefore, you fast forward, you know, from the creation to now, and you say, what are people doing?

You say, well, they count them now. We lost 110 were shot last weekend and 12 of them died. You're like, so there's a lot of murder going on, a lot of murder. Our murder rate is spiking. You know, you look at them in the street, and you're like, they're saying, well, we're retaliating for somebody killed one of us and they begin to go and you say and the murder rate just skyrockets. This text in John 8 says it's the devil behind that. So you have that.

Add to it, you talk about, look, I've been on the earth 74 years. You say, have you ever seen lying reach this level coming out of Hollywood, college professors, these schools of higher learning, the news media and government officials. You say, how much lying... But is it lying if they think it's true? The delusion is... George Costanza. The delusion is they're lying, and the scary part is God sends them a strong delusion.

Second Festland is too. So they'll believe the lie. They believe it. They tell themselves a lie. Satan tells them this lie. And they actually believe it. in the order of things in Genesis, you started with Canaan Abel,

which was murder, but remember lying was right of, that started first. Sure. Murder follows lies. You know, why are you so down, Cash? You're talking to me. Your question was the, earlier,

was the, what is the origins of evil? We kind of lost over that, but that's probably the number one question that people ask, particularly if you have, maybe you're struggling with, whether believing that these scriptures

are true about the Christ that you're, you know, it's like, how do you explain evil in the world and the God was God the author of evil? Yeah, how would you even explain it? Because you have a snake. I mean, a lot of people are listening to this. If they don't believe in God, they're like, this is, you're talking about,

there's a snake in a garden. He's now an evil one. Somebody killed his brother and he belonged to the evil one. That's the first John three. So I would simplify it by just simply saying, but you said, no believer in God, no. I said, so do you? You know the difference. The difference.

Is there a difference between good and evil? And I would wait for their answer. What would they say? Say most people, yes. Yeah, I think they would say yes, but I think if you start examining the worldview, they would probably, if it's not rooted in the gospel, I think they would have a relativistic anchor for that.

And if you said, well, what is evil? And they probably would have some kind of social construct. to define what it is. It's whatever society says it is or it's whatever. Yeah. You know, my experience, you know, that's what we're being told right now. It's just kind of, we're being told right now. Or figure it out.

Or what? They said just try to figure it out. Just figure it out, yeah. Because your truth, you know, speaks to what you see as evil. I mean, it's all so subjective now. Well, evil, I think this is, when we talk about evil, I think sometimes we don't analyze what that word means. So we see it as almost like this thing.

floating around in the atmosphere. And evil is, I mean, if you think how do you define that, I think it's essentially taking God's revelation and said, I don't believe that. That's right. And conversely, faith would be when God reveals to you something, you say, you know, I believe that. And so evil is, that's why you think, who is the author of evil? I mean, Satan, we are, I mean, it's not just Satan.

What does James say? Each one is dragged away and enticed by his, all right. And at one time, Satan, I mean, if he fell, because God doesn't, he's not evil, nor does he, does evil come from him? And plus, you got to remember. So at some time, theoretically, with Satan, he was fine and dandy. Now, the Genesis account, I noticed something. He was the first worship leader. He was stayed in the obvious.

He was beautiful. He was. Hang on, let's take a break, Dad, before you jump in there. Well, you're getting that from Ezra, or where's that the prophecy? I would just simply say, other words, when Jesus said, you've heard it said, do not murder. Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment. He said, but I tell you, anyone who is angry with his brother, who hates his brother, is under condemnation. In other words, you say, hmm, you don't actually have to murder them if you just hate them or you're angry.

You're like, what does it mean? Well, when Kane's story comes up, the Lord said to Kane, why are you angry? So we have a quality that comes forth from all human beings from time to time, and it's called anger. So this is at the beginning before the murder. Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? Now, what does it mean when you wake up in the morning? because this just didn't come upon him all of a sudden 10 seconds ago.

God says, why is your face downcast? There was something about the look in Kane's eyes. God was looking at him. Something was brewing there. Your face is downcast. He's mad about something. It's why I said they're mad because they have a problem, anger, which leads to murder,

but they don't know that they have a problem with anger and murder. I think his expectations were not being met. So he ends up by saying, if you do what's right, we're on good and evil. If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But here's the choice. But if you do not do what is right, here's the way it's worded. The first time in the Bible, sin is mentioned. Sin is crouching at your door.

It desires to have you. but you must master it. Kane said to his brother, let's go to the field while they were in the field. Kane attacked his brother, Abel, and killed him. Now, John the Apostle, way in the future, 4,000 years or so, he said, don't be like Kane, who murdered his brother, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. Well, Hebrews 12, or Hebrew writer said he was bitter.

Remember he godless? You know, there was bitterness there. There's, and that comes from being jealous. He was jealous. You see all these other sins that were stacked in there on top of that. You know, all that happened before he took his life. But it was all this, you know, sin was just, I mean, roiling inside. Because think about out, you say, so when we get to the people who say we don't believe in God,

well, you say when they murder, they would say, well, you know, I just lost my temper out. I just kind of got away from me. So there's no God there. but you go around or you end up in the penitentiary the rest of your life, whatever, for murder, and you're like, so how does you end up here? So what's their recourse? Yeah, but I think. I mean, is there a way out or they just trapped, they go to a school and just start shooting the thing

and they kill 30 people, 40 people, the guy in Las Vegas? You said, why would you pack that much ammo and weaponry get up in a hotel room and just start shooting a crowd of? people who listen to our country in Westerns. You say, how do you explain that if there's no evil one or evil in the world? I mean, at least I would think a full-blown atheists would say, uh, that's not good. It just say mental illness.

That's not good. Well, I think there is mental illness, but there's also evil. That's why I said most people understand good and evil. Because that, I mean, a kid, I guarantee you, we're all going to say a young baby doesn't understand good and evil and that's a good thing but there's also people where wires have been you know something yeah it's physically their brain stem and they do stuff but then there's also people in the name of evil a la you know cane killing able where they just do evil things well and we put words on them in our culture called psychopath sociopath sociopath oh yeah just kind of dressed up words

to describe somebody who has no conscience i mean if you don't have a conscience at all then you're a dangerous person because you're capable of anything. But nobody can really escape this idea of is there evil or not. I got in trouble several years ago because I don't know if y'all even know this or not. I was podcasting before podcasting was cool. See, that's why we like having to use that because you're a pioneer. I'm a pioneer. I had a podcast probably 10 years ago.

And I bet you have tens of listeners. You know what's funny? I was telling our sales guy the other day, I said, man, I should have kept up with that because we, We had about 12 to 13,000 downloads per episode, and I did no marketing. I knew nothing about it. I just stuck it out there. So I should have stuck with what was the nature?

It was called willing to think, and it was kind of an apologetic slash worldview. I remember that now, yeah. I listened to some of those. Why did it? Why did you stop doing it? Um, he, he wasn't willing to think. I wasn't willing to think. You know what the problem was?

What's that? You had never seen the outlaw, Josie West. That's what it was. Have you seen it since? I have. I did watch it. That's why I let it back on the podcast. I did want it.

Back to the topic at hand. Okay. So Phil, I got to tell you this, because you said something that I've said the same thing before. And what I said in the podcast was I said, one of the podcasts,

I said there's nothing in an atheistic worldview that would prohibit something like a school shooting, Sandy Hook was one I was talking about from happening. And so then when I ran, for U.S. Congress, which is why I quit doing it, to answer your question, which is a whole other discussion we could talk about later, have a confession on that.

But never do that again. But Richard Dawkins, who is one of the world's most prolific atheist. Well, actually, BuzzFeed got a whole... Is he still alive? He died, didn't he? He's still alive.

You're thinking of... I'm thinking about the one of us. Stephen Hawkins. Hawkins, yeah. Yeah, to us. But he responded in time, He wrote an op-ed in time about, he mentioned that line. I don't think he listened to the podcast, but he said if this, basically this clown,

this redneck, this Duck Dynasty, nephew guy from, you know, attention to that's not you? Talk about me. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, he said, if he had taken time to bother to take time to study atheism, he would know that we care a great deal about human life. And that wasn't really what my point was. So I responded with a quote from one of his books, and I'm going to probably butcher it now because I didn't know we were going to talk about this.

But I just quoted in another article. I said, I just disagree with Dawkins when he says that the sole purpose for life, one's life, is to propagate one's DNA. It's a pitiless, purposeless existence. And so, like, the truth is that I do think that atheists care about humanity because everybody does. You can't kind of escape that. But my point is that the worldview itself, if materialism, is true, if atheism is true and all that exists is matter and we're just matter, we're just

atoms, then there really is no such thing as evil. But the very fact that you know there is evil, because when someone tries to attack somebody that you care about, like you're appealing to this. Atheist or not. Everybody. If you are a living human being, no matter how evil you have become, if you cry out for justice in any sense, then you are declaring that God is there. You're declaring.

Yeah, if a bunch of thugs break in your house and they're reaping your wife or your children. Why do we always got to go there? I don't. An atheist will you ask him, is that bad or good? I know you've attempted to do that before, but once I have to try to visualize that, I'm out. Hang on, let's take it last break. I'm not. I want to read James 4.

I mean, let's just stick with what it says. But the issue came out is we don't know what the problem. miss. I think we do. James Forwer says, what causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? And there's question marks. So I think the assumed answers, yes. Then he says, you want something, but don't get it. You kill, which is, we've been talking about murder and covet, but you cannot have what you

want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. I mean, to me, that is the answer to the fundamental dilemma. What you said about evil, it comes from when you say, I don't care if God's even there, I'm sure it's heck not going to ask him for anything. And so then you just look for what you want, your expectations, and when you don't get it, you get angry and do something evil.

because you're not checking with God, and you're basically to fulfill yourself. I think that's what it says. Well, yeah, and the point you made in Genesis with King and Abel, I think that, and I'll tie to this in with something you said earlier about the question that how do I quit cussing? Because I read all the comments, as I said last time I was on, we get so many questions that are basically behavior modification questions.

How do I modify my behavior? Yeah. One thing I don't think we see in Genesis yet, and we really can't bootstrap ourselves up. You know what I mean? I think like there's not like it's not just as simple as doing right because at the end of the day I'm not doing right. And so I think that where the gospel provides the answer for that

is that what we're trying to do is we're trying to bootstrap ourselves up like Kane was, but Kane's looking at his brother's sacrifice and he's jealous of it because it was from a pure heart. Now listen, with that in mind, you're at the genesis. his account back to cane this this is first john 310 this is how we know who the children of god are and who the children of the devil are well we've already read john 8 and the genus anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of god neither is anyone who does not love his brother well then he says this is a message we've heard from the beginning We should love one another.

Don't be like Kane who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. Now, what's this? Why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil, his brothers were righteous. Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you, we know that we've passed from death to life because we love our brothers. anyone who does not love remains in death. Now, watch this.

Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer. And you know no murderer has eternal life in him. This is how we know what love is. Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. We ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. That's the explanation John put on it. Right. which it covers a lot of ground there.

Yeah, it is. If you think about hate, how much. It's a two-east street, you know. People hate other people based on whatever skin color or just, well, they're just having a bad day. And so then the response is in a lot of cases, more hate. Right. Well, I hate you because you hated me first. And you said, well, it ain't that big a deal because I hate you.

It says you're a murderer. Yeah. Well, because you can't have murder without hate. That's where it starts. But that's where Jesus, his point was, I think, in the sermon on the Mount, his point was dealing with religious people who are trying to get everything down to, which is the questions we get. Which is, you know, how exactly do I not do this?

Yeah. I'm like, well, if I could give you an answer in a sentence, there would be something wrong with that because it's not the way God set it up. This is a grace, motivated lifestyle that we lead. it's a constant battle and struggle of God's grace. The human race has a love problem now and going all the way back to the beginning of it. It's a love thing. Oh, yeah, and it always is.

Stephen's one who sent the question. Specifically, he was talking about the origin of evil. Why would God allow evil to come into being? Which is a great question because we see the results of it. But my take always is it's always choice. You know, somewhere in the realm where God exists that's different from our reality, There was, in Revelation 12, by the way, gives you a great sort of visual, something happened. There was some rebellion that breaks out with other beings of which Satan was one, angels.

And he had a choice. And I saw the angel fall from the heaven. And it said there was a war in heaven, Mike, and his angels against the dragon and his eyes. So obviously that rebellion broke out that had nothing to do with us at first. And so that happened in another realm. So that's what happened. Choice. It's interesting because when you go to Genesis account, we see something.

Satan here on the planet because Revelation 12 says he's been hurled down. So he's here to do what? Give us choice. And then so, you know, Adam and Eve had the first choice. Do I do what God says or not? And that choice goes forward even today. So I always put it down the origins or choice. So the question of why did God allow it? God allows us to choose. He allowed the angels to choose. Even before we ever came into existence, and it always comes down to choosing him. God didn't, it was never the purpose to create creation just to be and then always to be good and never have a choice. I mean, that's what it looks like to me. The time frame you're speaking of, and we've mentioned this before, those great philosophers,

they really had a big struggle with what we are discussing today. But they were there pre-Jesus becoming flesh and living on the earth, dying for the sins of the world. That's just before Aristotle almost saw him, but he's a little early. So 100 years after Aristotle, here comes Jesus. if they had known about Jesus, you know, God is love, it would have helped them out greatly a whole lot. But they didn't have the info of, Zach.

But it was still doable. I mean, that, to me, I always go back to Abraham. I mean, how do you reason that God raises the dead before you know anything about that? Now, that's a man of faith right there. I'm telling you. You know, that's a good point. That's the next level.

Well, I think we got like a key distinction. It's not just about our obedience. I mean, if you read the book of Romans, there's two big parentheses around the whole book. The first paragraph and the last paragraph used this term called Paul says, I came to bring about the obedience of faith. So you can obey somebody out of a workspace system

and not give them your heart. And that's why all the questions, how do I stop cussing? It's not, no, it's not how do I stop doing that or stop looking at porn or stop, because we get all this? I mean, how do I, my kids on drugs? I mean, it's, you read the messages that, you know, you guys are sending this. I mean, yeah, what it is, you got to, you have to replace that desire with a desire for the presence of God.

Right. You have to, like, you have to begin to, something has to replace that. Because whatever it is that you're falling into, it's some kind of counterfeit, it's a counterfeit. It's not the real thing. That's why it never satisfies you, you know. But I think, I like your phrase. presence of God because basically all the corruption that happens in our lives and everybody else's they don't really believe in those moments that there is a presence of God you wouldn't

be doing that that's why you're looking over your shoulder can you're you wouldn't you don't want anybody to see you doing this that's why you wait until it gets dark before he pull it off that's exactly right you know what I mean you're not more stuff going on at dark the riots and the looting shoulders that's pretty good until the sun went down. Even in the wonderful land of Chaz and Chobb. I don't think bad things happen. They don't mind being noticed just because they're making a statement.

All right. Well, we got to go. We're out of time. Stephen, thanks for a great question. Sparks a great discussion. And we just touched a little bit of that topic. But we'll talk more about the future and a shame. So we're so glad you guys were with us today.

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