Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1083 | Jase’s Squeals of Pain Frighten the Podcast Crew & Jesus Faces Major Family Drama

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

Jase does everything short of a backflip to entertain his grandkids, but his heroic efforts land him in pain—and his attempt to stretch it out in the studio leaves the crew rattled. Finally moving on to John 7, the guys unpack the only Gospel account of Jesus’ brothers, their early skepticism, and what their eventual transformation into believers reveals about the truth of the resurrection. Plus, Al’s son-in-law and fellow Duckman Jay Stone steps in to save a smoky situation, and the guys reflect on humanity’s nature of secrecy and sneakiness. In this episode: John 7, verses 1-9; 2 Corinthians 2, verses 7-8 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Jay's on the last podcast. You talked about doing a lot of extraneous sounding things with heavy duck blinds and launching boats. And I was just curious. So how do you feel? How do you physically feel today? Because I'm not there in studio with you, but what you were describing to men,

our age, and I'm putting us both together. It sounds like it could be a bit taxing. And by men, your age, you mean men with probably low T, I'm assuming, right? No, I didn't mean that. I just mean men who have way more years behind them than in front of them, that the T is okay. Low Tee. I don't even know what that means.

I don't want to know for holy reasons. But I got to watch where your brain goes. But, Al, you already knew the answer to that? I did. I sent the team into trauma and nervousness because when I walked out the door, I thought it was a safe spot. So I stretched. But it hurts so bad that I just cried out to the Lord because there was nobody else. Come on, Jesus.

Walked in and they were like, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I was doing some stretching. But I thought it was because I jumped. That podcast stretching, you know, you just kind of. out of stretch. It's hard work. I jumped out of the truck yesterday, out of the back of the truck, but Jay's truck's pretty high.

And you know how you feel kind of that slight twinge? Like, when I landed, I stuck the landing, but there was a slight twinge. Well, that turned into me this morning when I crawled out of bed and I'm in crawled. And I went, Missy has this little back stretcher thing. It looks like a gimmick. I mean, it's one of them things you see late at night when you should be slug. sleeping, but you're just like... Like an infomercial.

Well, they only run those commercials late at night for a reason. Because you're not in your right frame of mind. Not in your right frame of mind. And so Missy... Is it like the one you lay on and it stretches you out? No, you don't lay on it. You just put your legs over the top of it and you push a button. So your calves are on it.

And it goes for 12 minutes. And you feel nothing. It feels like this is. doing nothing. I mean, this was 49-99 that we should have just set on fire. Chase, have ever thought maybe it's doing nothing? Maybe it's just 49-

Maybe it's like the shrinking powder. It's a calf massager. Is that what it is? Is that what you're describing? No, wrong. It's, it, the calves are the point of contact on this apparatus and it straight, it does a roll thing and it slightly

pulls your legs forward. And it says, that's stretching your back. Well, when I got on my hands and knees after that, after 12 minutes, I stood up, which was still painful. But then I took a step, and I thought, yep, yep, yep, okay, I'm back going again. The back stretch, I mean, Missy swears by this thing. And the one time I did enter my back, that did more than every doctor visit,

X-ray, you know, inflammation. But I was doing it like five times a day. A couple days later, got up, no problem. Of course, the last words the back doctor said, because I canceled my visit. I said, I got on this little stretcher and I'm good. He's like, well, you'll see me again. But I took that to me and he was just missing out.

He kind of had me in the web. Oh, J's found 4995. But here's what I think. I thought it was from jumping over the back of the truck, but, you know, I just went to Nashville, spent time with my grandkids. Look, there are three and a half, two and a half, and one. So I've already made my jokes about be fruitful,

multiply, fill the earth. But that's what my kids are doing. And so I think what happened was, because Reed, my son bought them a little tea with a ball for the three and a half and the two and a half, and he's like teaching them how to hit. Of course, I didn't say,

because as a grandparent, which is the greatest family dynamic there is, because you just show up, do what you want to do, and then you don't have to worry about the repercussions. You're out of that. So it's awesome. But I wanted to say you don't start them off at that age on a T.

You know, if you're coaching a little league, baseball, you teach the mechanics of the swing you know, they already had that, but then you go to the T to refine it. But if you have no swing, I think the T's a bad place to start. And here's my point, because I went out there and said,

hey, they're like, oh, I play baseball, baseball, baby ball, you know. And I was like, I threw that T over to the side. And I was like, no, we're going to do this the real way. And so I grabbed my son. by the hips and I was like going back and forth. I said the key to the swing is right here. The hips, the hips, the hips. So, because I saw Reed was, he spent five minutes just getting them lined up on the tea.

It's all waste of time. I was like, it's all about the hips. Of course, in Maris, my little granddaughter, who's three and a half, she's watching this. Because then it's fun that we all did the hip thing. Oh, it's like everything's fun here. Well, then I put the bat in his hands. in David's hands, and I got him lined up there, and I said, put the bat on your shoulder,

because he's not wanting to hope, but he can rest there. And then I'm backing off five foot away, and I was like, swing. I'm telling him to swing. Well, he immediately thought hips. Well, it's amazing when you turn your hips, the bat follows, just like the golf swing. So he started swinging before I'd even thrown,

which is perfect, because to hit a ball. ball that's coming towards you at that age they have a depth perception problem the first ball i threw now i'm going to be honest i basically threw the pitch where the bat was coming through the zone bam he hits it the crowd explodes everyone's like it's a miracle this kid was born to play baseball i was thinking they already got him in the bigs they got him in the big leagues but but then i got maris up there and he only hit two at her 20, but look, he hit the first one and he hit her another one. It was so

excited. But Maris was too far on the tea thing. She tried to, I did the same thing, but when the ball, you know, was there, well, that's when she was wanting to swing. And she was wanting to hit it like like off the tea.

Yeah. Well, the ball's already passed you. So, but since David didn't have as much tea time, he got, so I told read that. He was like, I ought to admit I was pretty genius you know

because he was so excited that he hit a ball that I threw to him he's two years old I thought that was pretty impressive but the secret is he didn't hit a ball you hit a bat

is what you're saying pretty much but his swing was perfect so that's what I'm saying it's... And then he gets the muscle memory every time he kept his bat in the zone for an extreme amount of time

I mean I really think he has potential but I left out the part where I hurt my back, which was, first you have to excite them. So before I did the lesson, I picked a ball up. And it's soft, but it's the size of a baseball, but it's soft. And I said, watch this. And I threw that ball up. I said, have you ever seen somebody hit it over your house? Because we're in the backyard. I hit that ball, and it almost went over their house and bounced down the roof, you know.

I mean, I hit it probably 80 yards and it bounced back, you know, and they were like, oh my, I was like, that's the potential of fun that you can have. So you know what they said? They said, do it again. So I did it again. Well, about the third time I did it, and Missy's like, what are you doing? Because I was hitting it toward them. They don't realize it was a softball.

So every time I hit it, Missy and Brighton just like went down like it was going to The thing is literally all just styrofoam, you know, it's not going to hurt them. And the third time I did it, the ball was coming down the house. They're hollering, you know, and cheering, and it gets stuck in the gutter. Like, and their house is very tall. So I looked at Brighton, and their faces fell, and I was like, Brighton, do you have a ladder? And I think that's where I hurt my back, because then I had to put up a ladder. and so I crawled up to the top

but I still could barely reach and so I was getting, it was actually probably pretty dangerous I shouldn't have been doing it. And I had to get a golf club because I couldn't see in the gutter because the ladder wasn't high enough so I would just guess where the ball was

because if I got on top of the ladder I could see it but then I was vulnerable because it's probably, I mean this was a tall ladder. And so I finally got it, but without those kids, kids knowing that I had gotten the ball because I was so high, I eased the ball. I did a little trickeration. I hid the ball.

Then I got down, they were sad. And I was like, well, maybe we should just pray about it, you know. I was like, I'm just kidding. I was like, maybe it'll just, maybe we'll find it. Well, I had it, you know, and I maneuvered it around. And then I was like, all right, close your eyes. And when I count to three, I was like, maybe it'll just appear. So one, two, three, boom, here's the ball.

They jumped up and down, you know, and my little three and a half said, the Lord does answer's prayer. See? See right here? I didn't know if that was a good thing or bad thing. And so then I was like, y'all want to hit it. So see, then they were excited. So we did that.

But I want to say this. I want to brag on my daughter-in-law for a second because the plan was they said, why don't we, we're going to go to the movies tonight and take the kids this their first movie. And I was like, I was thinking three, two, and one, go see in a movie, that will never work. But they said, well, it's this new cartoon movie, the King of Kings. Yeah, I've heard about it. I've heard about it. I thought it was pretty good.

And, you know, it was a cartoon. But it was, I mean, they basically just kind of went down the line of the Bible. It's kind of told in a framework of a dad telling his son about the story of Jesus, you know. That's an angel's studio movie, I think. Yeah, I don't, I didn't know who may. I didn't, I didn't even notice. But we went to one of these movies, you know, where they, we don't have one here. But you can, like, put your feet out and they have people coming, you know, for a nominal fee.

Would you like some, you know, something to eat while you're here? you know, and it was pretty much, you know, chicken tenders and whatever, which I think helped their behavior. But I was shocked. Those three kids sat there and watched that movie. I was stunned. I mean, somebody has been providing some structure there. And I was singling out my daughter-in-law because she spends the most time with them.

But, I mean, to give reading Brighton credit, if you would have told me. Because I remember when we were kids, that would not have been possible. possible. 911 would have been called. I mean, they did. The only thing I found fascinating is the three and a half year old when they got to the Jesus on the cross, she had trouble watching that. Because, you know, I mean, that's not really, it's pretty rough to watch, even in a cartoon format. And she was like, I need to go potty. And Missy's like, I think she's just uncomfortable. I think she was because Missy, I think they took her to go party and she didn't really have to, but she was just like, this is heavy.

Yeah. You know? But I thought, you know what, if you were going to take your kids to the movies and they were able to sit there and watch, I mean, I thought it was a pretty positive thing. Yeah, I would have never thought that was possible. And you're right, kudos. Kudos to your kids. No, it was awesome.

So that was fun. But so to reveal on the way back from Nashville, I was in some convenience store or whatever. and forgot exactly. I went to the bathroom, and I was looking for a few snacks, you know, because the trips are all about the snacks. Oh, yeah. Just like airplanes.

And I heard this guy say, Jase. And so I looked up, he's like, is that really you? And I was kind of looking behind me, you know, playing along. I was like, yep, what's left of him? He said, I've been following you since I was a kid. Of course, he looked like a kid, you know. But, I mean, he was in his 20. But when, as my age, you know, people in their 20s look like just children.

Exactly. And he was like, I mean, my hands are kind of shaking here. I mean, I've watched every video, you know, and all this stuff. I was like, well, I'm going to share Jesus with this guy. Because, you know, this is a little, kind of like when we had the country music guy, old, you know, it's like when people are like kind of awkwardly giving you praise, it's like what they don't realize is you're drawn to the spirit of the Lord here. So I was trying to craft my sermon on how I was going to do this.

And so I was like, what do you do? And he's like, well, I worked for the Coast Guard. He's like, I was like, I think we were in Mississippi. And I was like, well, how long you been in Mississippi? He's, no, I'm from Texas. I'm driving to Virginia, you know. So as we're walking outside, we took a little pitcher, you know. And I said, well, because he had mentioned everything we do except this podcast.

So I thought, well, have you heard of our podcast? You know, and he's like, I've listened to every episode. I was like, oh, I was like, well, I was trying to figure out a clever way to share Jesus with you. And he said, well, I've been following you since I've been born. And he said, you know what my last name is? And I was like, I mean, drum row, because I thought, what is this? What does this have to do with anything? I said, what is your last name?

Guess what his last name was? Bible. I said, your last name is Bible? For real? He said, yes, sir? I said, well, let me tell you this. I feel way better about this country that we got a guy who loves Jesus, whose last name is Bible, who's protecting our coast.

I said, America. He's like, America. Was his first name Reed? He never told me his first name, but you know what? I got to thinking about that. Missy asked me the same question, and I told her what I'm going to tell you. I said, if your last name is Bible and you love Jesus, your first name is irrelevant. Because what would my dad call him for the rest of his days?

Oh, Bible. Oh, Bible, man. Come in here and give us some words of wisdom. Bible man. Have you ever heard of a person named Bible? I have not. We need to, we're formulating a top 10 names. that Jace has met.

So now we have two. One. Remember one, W-O-N. And now we have Bible, which Bible's going to be hard to talk. Yeah, we'll have to keep, well,

to keep playing. Maddie keep a running tally on amazing names. Yeah, we'll have a lot of those. That'd be an interesting little name search on where that came from. Yeah, we need to look it up. Al.

Yeah. Get it? All right. We need to read it more. Speaking of Bible, Jays, since we know Mr. Bible is listening to our podcast. Hey, look, and don't you feel safer? Seriously. Just me telling you that.

That's exactly right. We're surrounded by water. I mean, you want people that are out there monitoring the water to be Bible men. We got a Bible man on the coast protection. I love it. And he's from where, Texas? He's from Texas, but he's stationed in Virginia. I thought that was just fascinating.

That didn't seem to get as fired up as me, but I just... No, I mean, it's a good name. That's a good, strong name. Can you imagine a person being named Bible who is not a believer? That's where I thought. What if you were an atheist and your name was Bible? That'd be a tough, you'd be a conflicted individual. I'm not sure it's possible, well.

Yeah, it'd be weird. All right, so we want to get back into the Bible? Zach, do you want to do that? Or you got any words of wisdom? You got any moments to share with us? I got nothing better than John 7. Well, this is a breaking news. This is a big moment for unashamede today.

We're actually moving on to John Chapter 7. We are, and it's a fantastic text as well. But we explain why we spent so much time on John 6th. But we're going to take that next step in terms of where Jesus is headed. And so I guess I'll just open up and read these first few verses, and then we can kind of get into the discussion. Because it's really interesting. This is the first time in the book of John that we kind of get a look at his earthly family

other than his mom, who, of course we read about back in John 2. I think this is the only gospel that brings up his brothers. Well, right, specifically. It does bring up his family in a couple other contexts, but you wasn't sure who exactly that was. But you're right. It's the only time he mentions them specifically is right here. And it wasn't really good for them.

I mean, it wasn't a good... Well, it is. If you look at it from a transformational viewpoint, because I mean, this has nothing to do with the text, but I have used this argument before. when you fast forward to Acts 1, which I think this is a good time to do this, since this is... That's excellent time. Yeah, Acts 1, which is really depressing because it says all the believers were gathered

together among the believers in those days. This is Acts 1.15. In those days, now we're post-Jesus' death, bell resurrection, and Jesus' speech. And Jesus' speech. Yeah, and Jesus ascends back to the Father. And it says in those days, Peter stood up among the believers. I have a little letter by believers. What is the other?

Brothers, Greek for brothers. Brothers, which is really, they probably put believers because he lists a bunch of women in here too. Right. Maybe that's why they made. We would call it in our vernacular, the brethren. Yeah. Kind of everybody.

And it says a group numbering about 120, 20. Oh, so, but the verse I wanted is before that in 14. Because it says all of them were together and it starts, those were present. This is 13, Acts 113B. It says all were present. Peter, John, James, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, James, and Simon, the zealot, and a different Judas. they all joined together constantly in prayer along with the women and Mary, the mother of Jesus,

and with his brothers. So you say, why is that significant? Because John 7, 5, before you read the whole text, Al, says, for even his own brothers did not believe in him. So you have to pause and say, what happened in between John 7, 5 and Acts 113? What happened to change them? And one more step, Jay's the James, who is kind of the early sort of main church leader in Acts 15, is the same James that wrote the book of James, most scholars think.

And they think that was Jesus' earthly brother as well. So, yeah, I mean, to your point, obviously, something changed them dramatically. So what happened was the death, burial, and resurrection of the king of kings and his ascension to the right hand of God. Exactly. So that's the setting as we go into this. Let me read it and we'll kind of get into this. So it says after this, which is everything we've been talking about for quite a while,

Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea, which is where Jerusalem is, by the way, because the Jews there were waiting to take his life. So Jesus obviously knows what's going on. on and it's gotten dangerous and which you don't think of this like he's hiding because he came here to die so he knows what's going to happen it's just not his time yet for this to happen that's why he's waiting well and i think we've said this hundreds of times but i feel like we need to say it again part of what jesus is doing and and god through jesus god the father through jesus is he's

going to disarm all these evil powers these fallen celestial beings prime candidate the evil one which he's going to continue to bring up through the course of john and uh so first is it first grintithms two seven or second christians two seven that says none of the rulers of this age you know the powers in the realms knew that what was going to happen because if they did they would not have crucified the Lord Jesus. Is it 1 Corinthians 2,7? Yeah.

And none of the rulers of this age understood it. Yeah, because if they had, I mean, look, think of the evil one. He thought, that was his movie. Yeah, this is, well, you care, anybody who's a threat to us reigning our terror of death, I mean, that's why the evil one is depicted as the ruler of the realm of the dead. I mean, that's, he's going to say in this chapter, he was a murderer from the beginning. And so we remember when was the first murder. It wasn't long after Adam and Eve.

Very next chapter. Hate and Abel, which is how that escalated. Your death has now been introduced, which is why Jesus, I mean, which is why God said, you eat at that tree, you'll surely die. Right. And people read it and like, well, they didn't die. well, just wait for it. It's coming. And I love the way you tied in the fear there because immediately they were afraid.

Remember, that was the first instinct they had, and they hadn't even died yet. They hadn't even seen death yet. Why were they so afraid? So I'm just saying that's why this is kind of cloaked and where Jesus is like, don't tell anybody. Yeah. I mean, that's what I think. I don't know what y'all think. I think so, too.

And I think that it's interesting how you referenced this earlier, how this does unfold, the skepticism unfolds throughout kind of the life of Jesus and post-resurrection. In the world of apologetics, they talk about what they call these core minimal facts that surround the life of Jesus and his resurrection. And when they're looking into evidences for his resurrection, which is interesting, by the way, someone just sent me a discussion they had with Chat GPT on the proof of Jesus's resurrection, and it's fascinating to read it because, you know, chat GPT is artificial intelligence, and so it's not emotionally engaged in the conversation.

And as the dialogue continued at the end of it, chat GPT was like, yeah, the most probable position would be that Jesus actually did raise from the dead, and it gives us a lot of reason. But one of the ways they do this is they take these core minimal facts, and what a core minimal Well, fact is it's a fact that's agreed upon by the majority of New Testament scholarship. This does not mean that it's agreed upon by Christians. These are like non-Christian, academic, just like this is like just the field of New Testament scholarship that's not disconnected from a church. And here's the facts that everybody pretty much agrees on, such as there was an empty tomb. Now, we're not saying Jesus rose from a dad, but we do believe historically that there was an empty tomb.

We do believe that. How can there be an empty tomb if he didn't read? Well, they could say that one of the theories is that the disciples stole the body. So they have explanations. But that's in the Bible. They said they're going to steal the bodies of the Romans said, well, let's make sure they can't do that. Go find the biggest rock. Yeah.

So the, well, yeah, but there's like a secular answer for all of these questions. Well, one of them is one of the ones that was the hardest to get over. And this is like agreed upon by the majority of the, New Testament scholarship, is that James, the brother of Jesus, who was a skeptic before the resurrection, became a follower of Jesus when he believed and saw the risen Christ. And that's a major evidence, I think, because if he saw, he would know, because one of the theories is, is that, well, Jesus had a twin brother. And this is actually a real theory.

Jesus had a twin brother. one of the brothers suffered death on the cross, and then the other one came up. And they were like, I'm alive, but it was all like a ruse. It was all fake. It was all like a scam. But the point is that James would have known that he had two brothers. So you look at these core minimal facts, and here's what they do with this. It's so incredible.

You cannot explain all of the core minimal facts around the resurrection of Jesus away, except for the resurrection of Christ is real and it actually happened in real space time. Well, like his brothers as an evidence. That's a big evidence. So you're seeing these skeptics here, like his own family's a skeptic, which you could imagine that that would be the case.

Like if Willie came in and said, all right, boys, I'm the Messiah. I'm the son of God. You guys, like, no, you're not. He actually did say that when we were kids, but he just didn't use the word Messiah, but it was something to the equivalent of it. And you didn't believe him, did you?

No. So you kind of get their skepticism in one regard because they're like, man, I grew up with you. You know, you put your shoes on just like we do. Now, they probably did, and that is he never sin. And probably the moment you are a really good guy. But those closest to him were skeptical and their transition throughout his life

and to watch his ministry, to watch his crucifixion, and then to have an encounter with the risen Lord brought his own skeptical brothers to put their faith in him as King Jesus. That's powerful. If you think about it, if you think about it, Zach, the hardest people probably to convince would be the ones who watch you grow up

because they know everything about you. And in the human vernacular, what we don't understand is maybe being beyond our capabilities, we just call weird. Yeah. You know, I think, though,

wow, it's all a, it's all a mask. It's like the people, Missy and I was having a conversation, you know, when you drive back from Nashville, it's eight hours.

We were talking about this woman who we all love, and y'all know, but, uh, who just fell away from the Lord, you know? And it's like,

she knows everything. I mean, every possible, she's been to every Bible study and what was for years, you know, know, and Missy had recently talked to one of their mutual friends. You know, it's like, well, what do we, you know, because they had seen her somewhere.

And Missy's like, the problem is not knowledge or experience. The problem is the lack of wanting to surrender. And I think that everybody reaches that point. You'll look at the Bible skeptically when you don't want to surrender and give your life. there's cost involved when you want to do what you want to do. And I really think that's the answer to like 90% of these issues. When you say, I just can't reach this guy. Like you're trying to find clever ways. We've all had those Bible studies. And then it kind of dawns on you. You know what? They just don't want to give their life up to the Lord. Yeah. And there's nothing you can say.

That really is the problem. Yeah, I've thought about this like with the advancement of AI. And I think it's going to, I think we're going to see this. I think this interaction. I was telling you about, if you remove that bias out of your life, where does the actual logic lead? And I think it's going to, I think it will lead straight to Jesus. I really do. I don't think it, like, it's just a person. You keep saying this, it reminds me. When we were up there in the weekend, Missy made crawfish pies for a lot of Reed and Brighton's friends and all.

We had a gathering here. Well, Reed took a rabbi, the whole rabbi, and was going to smoke it. and he took a nap because they had gotten up earlier or whatever well when he went out to get it or check on it the smoker had for some reason gone off and he was like oh no and so look I was stunned at what happened because you know when you're hosting and you have all these people come over I mean it became a crisis what I was disappointed in

is because I didn't know what jet whatever you said jet jet chat GPT or whatever, that came up. And I thought, what? They were talking about, look, and somebody said, call Siri, you know,

it was this kind of stuff. They were looking this up. And I thought, what are you telling me? They were trying to find a solution for it. Yeah, trying to find a solution to the smoker going off

because now it's just unknown. And I said, well, we have a member of our family who is a He is Siri and chat GPT. He embodies it when it comes to smoking. Ow, he's your son-in-law.

Exactly. Look, when I said, call him. So, Reed looked at me like, that's a great idea. He called him. He had him on speaker phone. It was like when Reed, he laid out the, all right, I put it on. Here's what happened. Jay was like just immediately, it was like somebody touched a button.

and he said, do you have one of those, whatever he called it, the thermometer that you put it in and it comes out on your phone, you know, and I actually got one for Christmas. You used it once. It was fascinating. And so Jay reads, like, yep, he's like, okay, take the temperature. Now, put it, don't panic.

And he was even calming him down, which AI is not going to do for you. He said, this is, it will be okay. He's like teaching him how to fly a plane when the pilot goes down. He's on the phone with the pilot. He's like, hey, we're going to calm down. That's what it was like. The whole crowd is dead silent listening to these words of wisdom.

And look, he was like, put it in the oven. You start off at 300. Once you get the temperature, they had the temperature. But Reed kept looking at that estimated time. And he's like, they're going to be here in an hour. And this is three hours and 20 minutes. He's like, don't pay any attention to that. It's wrong.

It doesn't realize what's fixed to happen. It'll catch up. And so they kept passing. Panicking because that time wouldn't move. He did put it in the oven. He said, you can save it in the oven. This is your salvation. And they had it on 300 and he's like, kick it up to 350,

but you can never go over 350. But about 10 minutes before they arrive, one of his buddies said, I think we ought to go to 500. And he said, he said, don't go over 350. Don't do it. And you know what was amazing is about 15 minutes after everybody arrived, the crawfish pots, So we had to wait about 15 minutes.

It reached the magic temperature of 1.30 inside. The time caught up. It was absolutely fantastic. I mean, just melt in your mouth. And I said, see, this is what happens when you put all your faith and trust in something that's not even real. You know what I mean?

I was like, you got a dude who was born to image the creator of the universe when it comes to smoking meek. Because that day no, no matter what happens, he's like, everyone remain calm. That's right. I mean, he really is a savon. But you know why, Jase, you know why? Because the man has cooked so many big, huge chunks of meat, hundreds of times.

Hundreds. So he's been through all that. Yeah, he was perfect. Which to your analogy, that's the ultimate. If somebody understands everything you've ever dealt with. and they can give you a solution. That's the guy you want to listen to. That's what just infuriates me about the cell phone.

I mean, look, today, me driving here, I blew my horn. I would say four times. And each time, it was a person on their cell phone. I said, what are you looking for? Looking up out of smoked meat. They're like how it's like. It's like, and it made me think, I wonder, has anybody done this? stats because now I guarantee you something revolving around a cell phone is probably in the top

10 of the leading causes of death. It has to be. It's like that should be a category. I didn't look it up because that would be against what I'm proposing here. But I'm just saying that it is an epidemic. And I'm like, you know, this is the, we have this, we're making jokes about a guy named Bible. but I'm saying this Bible is revealing a person that is literally giving you everything you need.

Well, I don't know the number, but you're right. And the reason I know you're right is because they do these PSAs now, these public service announcement videos the government does all the time, or state government, about don't text and drive. You arrive alive. Don't text and drive. Yeah, so you wouldn't have these things going on if there weren't danger associated with what you're talking. Look, what is the number one?

Maddie is just on the case. Oh, yeah. What is, now she's probably getting this from artificial intelligence. What is the number one leading calls of vehicle accidents in the U.S.? Cell phones. Distracted driving. Yes. So there you go.

There you go. Yeah, that's a stat from an injury. Oh, well, you can trust them more than AI because trust me, they're making some Cha-ching. Cha-ching. You know what I noticed, too, coming back from Nashville, that everywhere that we encountered wrecks, which was multiple times,

way more than usual. You know what I just happened to notice? There was a billboard of saying, had a car wreck, some guy, you know, he smiled. They know where they a car route. Cha-ching. Exactly.

So. All the bills. All right. So let me get back to this text. This is how it takes us so long. So that was the first verse of chapter seven. So he's staying there because he knows they want to take his life. Verse two.

But when the Jewish feast of tabernacles was near, Jesus' brothers, so here's the brothers on the scene. Remember, he's home. He's in Galilee, said to him, you ought to leave here and go to Judea so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret.

Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world. For even his own brothers did not believe in him, which was the point we were making before about where they got to, you know, eventually. And, you know, they looked at it almost like we, we talked about this before.

It was like it was a, all of a sudden had a little marketing strategy broke out among the brothers. They're like, well, look, if you want to be a big deal, I mean, I know you've got these crowds and you're doing stuff, but if you want to really do it, you got to get out there, you know, you got to press the flesh. You've got to get down where the action is in Jerusalem. There's no difference in this in my analogy with cell phones because now everybody has gone public via the cell phone.

That's why they can't even drive down the road because this is their public persona, whatever image they have. And that's what I'm saying. Here you have another group of people, which is this group never gets any time, you know, in our speeches, but not unlike the Jewish people that he had just offended by his take on,

you know, I'm the one Moses was writing about. I am the manna. Well, now his own brothers are given Jesus the son of God. advice on how to do that, how to navigate the world. Yeah, how to become a big deal. I mean, there's such a thick irony here because they're like, hey, if you really want to be a big deal, you want to be, if you want to be an influencer, you want to make some waves in the world

and you want to, yeah, you got to get a platform, Jesus, and this is what you need to be doing. And his response is really hilarious because it's like, I mean, it's a total alpha move here because he says, my time has not yet come. So he's saying, don't worry about, don't you worry about, I'm going to make some ways. Don't worry about, I promise you, I'll have lasting impact. My time has it come yet. He's so confident in his identity that he knows where he's headed. And I think that what he's predicting that's going to come and the reason why he's here, what he says, he says about it, that it's works or he says, the world, the world cannot hate you.

But it hates me because I testify about it. that its works are evil. So, I mean, like, it's not, Jesus isn't trying to win a popularity contest. Like, his life that will unfold and end in his death, ending the vindication to the resurrection. That's what's going to, I mean,

what's going to pay the way for his fame and glory is actually going to be a road that he'll walk all alone on a Roman cross. Well, he's basically telling his brothers, you don't have any skin in the game. That's why you can get along. If you're only trying to be popular, I mean, you know, if you're not going to go against anything, then of course it's easy to do.

I thought about Zach, the line people use today, they call it building their brand, you know. And that's the way we talk about today's. And that's what they're telling. You know, you've got to go build that brand. And he's like, no, you're not understanding exactly why I'm here. But he did go on to become, this was interesting. He did go on to become Jesus Christ.

went on to become the most recognized figure in human history. And they're giving him advice on how to get famous. Yeah. I'm glad you brought that verse up that John 7-7, though, when it says the world cannot hate you, but it hates me. Because now everybody wants to kill him. You know, also, that's coming up a lot. And I think that's what he means by it hates him.

they're trying to kill the man and he's never done anything wrong. And I think it comes with this, what he's doing in secret is giving him the ability on how he should be in public. But you just think about how that applies to your life. What you do in secret?

And I'm meaning this reference to the Holy Spirit. I mean, Jesus had the Holy Spirit. And what is he doing in secret? He's constantly going all, and praying, you know, to God. He has a relationship with the father that that's what he's trying to do is represent the father. He said it over and over and over and over. It made me think of a sermon on the Mount also when he gets into this, what you do in secret.

He's like, these religious leaders, they go out and pray for everybody to see. But he's like, when you pray, you know, go in your room, shut the door, because your father who sees what is done in secret. And then he uses the same analogy. about giving and fasting, you know, and then he'll say the same thing, and the father who sees what is done in secret. So I think that's really important. I mean, it is that verse 7, though, the reason why they hate him,

and the reason why they want to kill him is because he's exposing what their works are evil. And if you had mentioned Canaan Abel earlier, the original murder, the first murder in the Bible, why did he murder him? because it was in Abel's righteous offering that had exposed Cain's evil deed. And I think that's just what we do as humans. That is kind of the way of the world is that you expose my stuff, then we're going to have a conflict. We're going to have an issue. And Jesus, he just illuminates reality to what's, I mean, he just is like the truth.

He says, I have the way, the truth and the life. And so he's truthfully exposing the world for what it is. is in his coming to the earth. So I think that's where the hatred is coming from with these guys because he's, he's exposing their hearts. He's exposing our hearts. Well, right. I think he's leading up to that John 8 where he specifically said, I mean, after he

says this, what I'm going to read, then he goes on this language about your children of the devil. But he says in 21 and John 8, he said, once more, Jesus said, I am going away and you'll look for me and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come. And this made the Jews ask, will he kill himself? Is that why he says where I go, you cannot come? But he continued, you are from below.

I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be. You will indeed die in your sins. I mean, that's pretty bold. I mean, he's exposing, it goes back to that John 3. He's exposing what happens in the darkness, which is a lot of sin and cover up.

I was just going to say from a practical standpoint, you know, we can't really relate to this in our own lives because our parents, you know, found Christ and then at some point, you know, brought us up in him. And so we didn't, so our family were believers together, you know, for most of our lives. Jason and I were a little bit later to the game. But, you know, we don't have this understanding. What if you're the only one? How many, I mean, I know y'all both have done it. And we've been a part of many people through the years when someone has led to Christ and they're the first one in their family to come to Christ.

And they're in a situation where that becomes a negative against them because all of a sudden It's like, well, why are you doing this? Where you're joining some cult? What do you? And I remember, I mean, there's undergo terrible persecution. I mean, when we've had Larry Bowles on here talking about people coming out of Islam, you know, in his Athens work. And I mean, where it costs you everything, where they take all your stuff back home and burn it, you know, in a pile and say you can never come back here. So when I read, you know, verses like this, I realize the courage it takes sometimes in your own family to stand and do the right.

thing because it's the right thing to do. And Jesus shows a great example of this because, I mean, these are the brothers he grew up with, you know, you know he cared about him, but they didn't even believe he was who he said he was because it's not like he hadn't been talmated up to now. And so all their time is brand building. And he's like, you guys don't even realize what's going on. Oh, exactly. Well, we didn't talk about what this feast was that they started the whole.

Here's what you do. It's called the Feast of their Tabernacles, and there are three major feasts, and you see them all throughout the New Testament, too. And, you know, you had obviously the feast of the Passover, which is the first one, which was kind of this idea of coming out of Egypt. And that's related because we know this happens when Jesus wants to have given his life in this late springtime right now. We would call it Easter. They would call it the Passover. Then you have this Pentecost, which is 50 days after that. which is just basically saying,

we're going to bring offerings to God because we've been delivered. That's kind of the concept. And then you have this one called the Feast of Tabernacles, which happens at the harvest in the fall. And this is right after the Day of Atoma. So there's three major feasts that all Jewish males had to participate in.

And that's this third one. And they call it the Feast of Tabernacles or the Feast of, what do they call it? Boots. Yeah, is what they called today. And they built these little shacks, but they stayed there. It was like a camp out for eight days, you know.

Eight days, correct. You shall dwell, this is the Leviticus 22. Right. You shall dwell in booths for seven days that your generations may know that I've made the people of Israel dwell in boots when I bought them out of the land of Egypt. So that's what it was honoring. It was honoring the idea. Why are they doing it eight days if they said do it seven? Get back to me on that.

Do you know the answer to it? No, I know. I would guess it's because they made sure, they didn't want to make sure. they didn't want to miss the seventh day. It was like the 40 minus one. They were supposed to get 40 lashes. I mean, 39 lashes, but they would say 40 minus 1 because they did want to make sure and get the wrong number. But I'm just guessing.

I don't know. Yeah. Well, I didn't know. I mean, Zach read it. I mean, everything I read it said it lasted for eight days. Right. Anyway, so we'll look into that, Jays. This was the setting for which.

So this was. Let me read. on the 15th day of this seventh month is the feast of booths to the Lord for seven days. On the eighth day, you shall hold a holy convocation and present food offering to the Lord. It is a solemn assembly. You shall not do any ordinary work. Oh, it was in there. Yeah, you just quit reading.

Yeah, I just quit reading. We should have called Mr. Bible from the Coast Guard. Keep reading. He never made that mistake. I knew it the whole time. even when you asked. I had to read on. But let me say this, though, why does Exodus keep coming up? I mean, think about this. I mean, this is like a key story. This is the new Exodus.

I mean, it just keeps, Jesus keeps, I mean, dealing with this whole thing that happened in Exodus, and he's interpreting for them the new and the real point of the Exodus. And I think that's the lightning rod that Jesus is. No, I agree. And that's what the way you should read it. yes, we were going to eventually be saved, but he chose the nation of Israel. He shadowed it with all this hope, using people, you know, raising them up. And then Jesus fulfilled it all by giving us a new creation, a new Exodus. All right, so we're out of time.

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