Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1085 | Jase Roasts ASMR-Style Videos & Godwin Gets Re-Baptized by Accident

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

The guys get a good laugh when Al accidentally “baptizes” Godwin before the episode even starts, and Godwin reflects on beginning his third career at age 62. Jase rants about whispery videos and shows no mercy to a grocery store theologian who challenged his Bible interpretation. The guys unpack free will vs. God’s will and trace the river of life from Eden to the hearts of believers today by connecting the books of John, Ezekiel and Revelation. In this episode: John 7, verses 6-24; Revelation 12, verse 11; Revelation 21, verses 22-23; Revelation 22, verses 1-2; Ezekiel 47, verses 1-8; Genesis 2, verse 10 —  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I just baptized John Godwin. Well, you did. You did baptize. He got re-baptized. He's here on the podcast. Let me show you what happened. I said I wish that this had happened on camera. So I picked up my water bottle like this by the top, but the top wasn't secure. So as I went to set it down, it exploded. loaded this way and I literally sprinkled you, John.

You did. Do you feel more, do you feel? It's more of a splash. I feel so clean. You look like a new man. Galvin's back. So Godwin is here with us today. And John, we expected you on the first podcast.

Yeah. I mean, I mean, nobody said anything, but I was like, I thought John was supposed to be here. I was thinking. I thought, well, I guess he had, you know, he's retired. John, you're retired. I retired. December 31st.

So how does it feel as a retired man? Well, I've been fishing every day. Oh, really? Have you been catching any? That's a silly question. You don't go to not catch fish. I started doing, I'm crappie garden now. Oh, so you're not really retired.

No, I just started a third career. 62 years old. I'm on my third career. Oh, really? How long were you at the paper mill? 21 years. How long are you at Duckmanter? 25 years.

And now you're going to be crapy fishing the rest of the way. croppy fishing guide for three months. Oh, really? So are you using the Cropi magnet? You use the Cropi magnet?

You better believe it. I am the Cropi magnet. Oh, there we go. That's a biblical. That's bold. So, John,

tell us why you're joining us on the second podcast instead of the first podcast. Well, studios change along with life. But God, when you've been on our podcast before.

But not here. It was down at the lair. I got a technical question. Did we use subtitles for Galwin in previous episodes? We used to on the show. No? No.

Garwin, how did you feel when they put subtitles up on the show? And you were supposedly speaking the English language. I don't know why people don't understand Godwin. Yeah, I don't either. I've told people how to do it. You've got to get like a lawnmower in your mind, a chainsaw. Me? Well, but it's like.

and I used to pull crank it. It's like, God went getting up in the morning because we sat side by side for years. Yeah, Bill and that's like, and they're, I tell you what, boy, the fish are biting. So once you kind of get that in your mind, it becomes easier. Oh, yeah. So you went out to the Southern Layer, which is about 25-minute drive from here.

I just went on a ride about. How was it? It looked good. The studio was still there? Well, I didn't go inside. I pulled it up and there wasn't the usual collage of trucks. And I said, hmm, they changed the time or it ain't here. Yeah.

So I called Beth and she said, it's up here, which makes logical sense. It would have saved you a lot of time. Yes, but I wouldn't have got to go and see the outdoors and the tree. They've grown a little bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, everything grows. Do you guys like filming a Duck Commander or was that a good move for you? I mean, because that saves you a lot of time.

Oh, it's, yeah. Do we like filming here? Yeah, well, that's a weather. Somebody built us nice. Well, it makes sense. I never figured out the fireplace, and then we have a fire behind me, but it produces zero heat. It's called ambiance. Yeah.

Or ambience, if you like that. Would you define that for me? Ambiance? Chase, do you have a dictionary that you could look at up? Will you see what Noah Webster says about, check this out, God. Watch this. If he can lift it. We don't need to Google.

Good, Gary. That's every word in the English language. From 100 years ago. That is awesome. Where did you find that? Unashamed listener. Because we look up a lot of words on the, on the Google search.

You know what? I actually think Missy bought this for me. Well, Ted's your stories. You're talking about, I don't know what's true anymore, Zach. He tells more stories. Well, no, this story, I was, I was misremembering, if that's a word. Stories change. Okay.

Sounds like somebody from the Clinton administration. Missy came in with this book, but she was like with both hands like, oh. It just wham, set it down. And I just assumed that someone had sent it because she checks the mail. I don't. But she found that. She said, I found some treasure for you because I turned her into a treasure hunter with the treasure hunting show. Yeah.

But the difference is her treasure costs money. That's right. You find money. She always, she goes to these, what do you call them, like a state sales? Yeah, flea markets. And she said, I actually got this to help you and Zach's relationship. Which is a good thing. Yeah, because I'm constantly, because every time she says, why are you on your phone when you're doing your podcast?

Which she said she doesn't listen, but how would she know that? Yeah, I think she talks to people who do. So I said, well, I'm looking up words. Are you looking in the A's or the O's? I'm trying to figure out how to spell ambience. A-M-B-I, okay, A-N-C-E-N-C-B-E. Ambient. So Ambien was actually a drug, or is a drug for sleep.

Well, ambient is that which encompasses on all sides. Yeah, that's ambient light. Look at ambiance. Ambient. I'm not sure that was a word back in 1950. Oh, is that a new word since 1950s? Well, that's pretty good. Talk amongst yourself.

So do you remember, John, whenever we were living, we were next to our neighbors for 16 years? Yeah. And I had a big dictionary, not quite that big. And Lisa got a gangly and cyst on her hand. Yeah. And you remember I had read somewhere where you could take a big book and just like pop it. Yeah. And so I did it without her permission.

She was a little apprehensive. And then Zach tells me that he since looked that up and they said, don't do that. Don't do it. Don't do it. It's not helpful. So the word ambiance or ambience. Yeah. You can spell it according to Google.

You can spell it with an A-N-C-E or E-N-C-E. Both would be the same. Amiance, Amiance, Amience. The character is the character and atmosphere of a place. So spell the whole word for me. A-M-B-I-E-N-C-E. Ambience. Here it is.

He found it. Yep. Huh. That can't be right. What does it say? It says applied to fluids or diffusable substances as in the ambient air. Yeah, it's that they're going back to that encompasses on all sides. Yeah, so I guess we've invented it. That was since 19.

Well, I mean, it's a derivative, right? So think about what it's around you. It's the space around you. covering all the side. It's what fills the room. It sounds like the man who created our atmosphere here. I feel like it was a poorly used word. That's not what I'm seeing right there on the other side.

Well, my point, the point I wanted to get to was, are you enjoying the space? Because no one's ever told me if you are. I just was curious if you are enjoying the new. Well, it's making me think of the spirit being poured out. You know, it went from over there to in here. than the room as in the body. I mean, it became personal.

Yeah. Zach, I'll tell you, like Jesus told the woman at the well, the worship won't be on that podcast studio or this podcast studio. It'd be anywhere the Holy Spirit of God is. That's where we'll be doing God's work. That's where we're at. So this may change too. You could.

But Holy Spirit still be there. Now, look, John, so recently on a podcast, very recent, recently, when the last week or two, I told the story because of Easter Sunday, for the first time in 20 plus years, I was not preaching on Easter Sunday. Usually Mike and I go together the years he's been here. But it's been many, many years since I wasn't preaching to eastern. So it felt very weird to me to be, like, tuning in and watching our live stream. And so, but they didn't show it at the end of the live stream. They just said, we got a baptism. They didn't say anything about it. So then I find out, like, the next day through Kellett, that the baptism that day, or one of the baptisms, was your son-in-law. And as soon as I saw it in the text, instantly I had my eyes welled up with tears because I have been a part of Celio and Johanna's life since they found each other and did their wedding and just, you know, obviously we're best friends. So it's been a long, long time.

But it just touched me so deeply. And I told the story on the podcast because when I first met Celio, to me perfectly honest, I just thought, this isn't going to work out. I mean, just being a protector, Dohado, I'm like her uncle, like an honorary uncle. And I just didn't think he had it in him to be the man he is. And it just shows you, do not say things aren't possible with God. And I told you, I sent you a text and I said, your grace and your patience have shown through here. So it meant a lot to me just reading about it.

So I don't know, or hearing about it. But what was it like for you? Because it was pretty awesome. You got to baptize it. Yeah, it was, when he called me, you know, of course, he's heard the gospel a couple of times. Oh, yeah. But, you know, it never, I knew it would be, it was kind of like Johanna. Somebody else had to really sink it in to her.

But he called the men's retreat. He went on the men's retreat. For him, it was like, and I thought this kind of wild or strange, that for him, It was one guy's testimony that taught him that sin don't have weight. We put the weight on it. I thought that was weird that that's what convinced him that I need to do something here. Wow. You know.

That's interesting. We put weight on. Because he's a very smart young man, by the way. He checks everything. He's like genius level person. But, yeah, almost like the rich, too. Yeah, rich owner, yeah. Yeah, but man, he called me and he told me, I said,

you finally believe he is who he said he is. Yeah, that's a good line. Because he had, because he said there was a boy, guy out there praying at the stage, and he went up there and just, I put my hand on it, because he was by itself. Yeah. And he said, he just got up and hugged me.

I didn't even know him. And I don't really know why I went down there. I just felt like I needed to because he was by himself, which was another change. Because he's very, you know, closed off. But anyway, he said, I want some more of that. And so he told me. And then he said, well, you know I'm 30. And Jesus was 30 when he was baptized.

And John baptized. in your time i said well i'm glad to be in that company did you tell him what happened three years later did you guess he had he got to know careful brother well but then three days after that okay there you go there you're 30 then three and then three days so three is yeah so i was very honored i mean he finally got it but you just got it that just goes to show you can't just hammer stuff into people You just got... They gotta get there, don't. You gotta live it.

Yeah. What you pray. Yeah. Well, and they're seeing the Holy Spirit. That's, you know, and that's growing them. I told him, he and Johanna have been to a couple of marriage refreshes, so I spent a weekend with them on marriage stuff, and this is all before all. This just happened.

But I was noticing the changes in him just, he would come up to me and thank me. And I told him I finally forgave him for doing their wedding on the LSU Alabama game. of the national championship year, and he laughed about that. It was funny, because I was like, you know, I've been holding this against you, but I was kidding. But just watching over time, and sometimes the gospel, you know, we talk about the message, sometimes it just hits you square and you see it and you know it. And sometimes it takes watching people live it for a while before you get there, before you're ready, and you never know what it'll be.

And that's why the importance of the words you say, the life you live, the person you are, being consistent makes a difference because, I mean, you and Paula lived it out in front of them. And the first time I knew that this young man was potentially what he now is becoming was when Johanna got sick and they still weren't married, they were dating. And she got sick and that he never left the hospital for several days. And we were there. And, of course, we were worried about her. And I thought, you know what?

I've misjudged this young man because he loves Johanna. You know, and I knew it in that moment. Because at this point, I didn't know. And my whole view of him changed from that point forward. I said, there's something here. There's some depth here. And now we're getting to experience it. And I told him, since this has happened, I said,

brother, I don't know where God is going to use you, but there are a lot of people that probably had the same issue you did in crossing over to Christ, and you're going to be one that helps them get there. So I said, don't ever shrink back now. Don't, don't be stint you. What's interesting as you were talking about, that, John. I was thinking about, because I'll drift into the more intellectual side of things, as Jace points out, every time I use the big word. And I studied for years, all the apologetics,

all the arguments, and very helpful for me, by the way, I'm not, I don't, I'm not diminishing that at all. But, you know how many people that I brought to Christ through, like, some kind of tightened up argument? The answer would be zero. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've led zero, people to Christ. And I do think it's important, but what's interesting is I've seen people come to Christ out of a place of a broken spirit and a contrite heart, which the psalmist says the Lord will not despise. And I do think that that power of your life and your testimony that you and Paula have lived is, I mean, y'all have impacted me in Joe a lot. And the verse that popped up in my mind was Revelation 1211, that the way they overcame him was by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony.

And I think, man, it is that, it is a drip. And I think those retreats, which I went on one, are so impactful because there's confession, there's repentance, there's testimony, and there's just a surrendering spirit to the Holy Spirit. And, man, that's, that's pretty cool to hear your story about your son, son-in-law. I know that's got to be such a relief for you. Well, and the beauty of it is, Zach, it's Jesus. is a story that makes the difference. It's when we finally intersect with our lives. You know, it's the intersection of that's what makes the difference.

It's not really anything we did or didn't do. It's us finally surrendering to that place. And I love the way you put it. What do you say? You finally believe in who he is? Yeah, I mean, that's so good because that's the point. What a policy? Was she in tears?

Yeah. Yeah. What about Joey? Was she crying? Oh, my day was all crying. Oh, yeah. I cried. I cried when I just heard.

heard about it. So I had to text you. It was really powerful. I brought him out. I kissed him on the forehead and gave him a big hug. That's awesome. Really? Well, he's taking care of my daughter. Yeah. John went back old school. Greet one another with a holy kiss. I tell you what. That's biblical. It's biblical. I like it.

So we're in John 7, John. John Gobbin, which is we're in the story where Jesus' brothers, they're, Jesus, you know, they're like, it's time to go up

to the feast, you know, and they said, if you don't to make a name for yourself, you need to get up there and, you know,

press the flesh and show people who you are. And go public. Go public, you know? And what they didn't realize is he had already gone public.

That's why he came here was to go public. Yeah. But it was just that interesting thing about talking about how people miss it sometimes for a long time. They were missing it

and they had lived with him for 30 years. it's pretty incredible and so that's where we left off in our story and we and I was Jason I was mentioned this it was there anything from the last podcast you didn't you didn't get said you wanted to get said

well I think we at some point just need to read it and then whatever we left out we kind of gave an outline to understanding this so Godwin you may have to listen to that podcast I'm going to before you kind of get

I mean this is kind of of a part two. But you just have all these groups that are not recognizing who Jesus is, which is, that's why when you made that statement, you didn't know what we were going to talk about today. But that really, that's what it all comes down to. That is the statement, yes. You have these Jewish leaders who are kind of putting all their eggs in the festivals that they're having about what God did in the past for the nation of Israel. But the whole point of that was he was going to bring a Messiah. And now he has, and he's

right in their face. And they're like, nope. Right. And now his own brothers, you would think. Now, they did figure it out because Acts 1 post-resurrection, they're in the group of people that are gathering up. It says among the believers praying

with the disciples. So along with the women, you know, that's in Acts 1. We read that. And part of this scenario that's happened in the text, is Jesus knows the big picture of what he's doing. They obviously don't because they don't even believe he's the Messiah. But he knows now because for the first time in the last chapter and six,

we're seeing that people not only disagree with him, but they're starting to think we need to kill him. And he came to die, but it's not time yet. So part of his reason is, as George Bush, George W. Bush would say is some strategory to be able to wait. And so I think that because, you know, he had planned going to the feast anyway. But he just wasn't going to go right up there at the beginning of it and get started.

He's just, you know, and I don't, to be honest with you, I don't think he liked them telling him what to do, you know, when they didn't know what they were talking about. That's the way I'd be. If Willie and Jay's called me and started telling me what to do, I'd go Robertson Coe, wait a minute, you know. What do you mean? You're trying to tell me what to do, you know, that's the, didn't you? You always got to be careful when you're giving God advice.

Yeah. Just think about that. Or I'm always. you know, because I listen to a lot of speakers, you know, I'm not interested in the nomination, but if somebody's going public in the sermon, I'll listen to it at the title, I'm like, well, let me see what they got to say about this. But if it's filled with, you know, statements about what God can do and can't and or, you know, God has to do this, and then you're trying to prove the point.

I'm always like, I don't think I would be as a human, start to dictate policies. I think they have a phrase for that of putting God in a box. And I've done that before. It's like, well, this says this, so it can't be that, you know, God can't do this. I mean, the only things that stand out that God can't do is lie or die. Those are good things. That's exactly what Hebrew 6 says. It's two things that's impossible for him to do.

So let's, you know, let's maybe dig deeper and see, you know, because the Bible is hard to wrap your head around because you're going back hundreds of years into, you know, a nation out in the middle of a desert where he chose them and then brought out of that nation himself in a human form that actually came from a virgin. And you're like, wait, what? So sometimes I think we do kind of miss the big picture of that and try to apply everything to modern day without seeing it through that vein and a lot of arguments come out. I had a lot of blanket statements that that are proven to be false about God. So, Jays, do this.

So read John 7, start in verse 6, and at least read down through verse 24. Because what's going to happen is he's going to have a little statement here for the brothers, and then he's eventually going to go and kind of observe for a few days and then wind up teaching. But at least read that much in those statistics. So he says in 6, he's like, Jesus told him, the right time for me has not yet come. for you any time is right.

And I addressed that on the last podcast because they're strictly looking at past accomplishments that even before they were born happened hundreds of years ago saying, oh, you know, God is on our side. Look at, we're going to the festivals. And I like the way you pointed that out because when I read this sometimes I tend to read it totally just from them and his brothers

and him almost being like for you any time of work. But he's not. He's saying this as a big. or Jewish picture. I mean, he's... No doubt. And look, even fast forward, he's, he's, a lot of people just focus on what Jesus did on the cross, which is wondrous.

You know, he paid for our sins. He disarmed the powers. Right. He did that. But you also got to look forward to what that was going to accomplish, which through the resurrection and him pouring out the spirit, it created a way for people to image God on the earth. Yeah.

So I say that all the time. and I'll reiterate it. In our churches, there's very little focus on what Jesus is doing. You know, we say, what would Jesus do? Because we're looking back at the past, saying, well, what would he do if he were here? Like, he's not here. Yeah. I got news for you.

He's the Lord of Heaven and Earth. He's running this show. Which is why on this podcast, we highlight, you know, our little symbols, we use. That arrow going back up was a big, big deal. Yeah. I mean, him ascending. and sending the Spirit back was huge. I mean, that brings heaven

into our lives, into our very bodies. It's a good question if you ever want to just see somebody zombie out is you're like, what is Jesus doing in your life now via the Holy Spirit? Instead of saying, you know, did you catch any fish? Like, what's Jesus doing in your life now?

Do the Holy Spirit? It's liable to be crickets, which is about it. So, verse 7, the world cannot hate. you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil. You go to the feast. I'm not yet going up to the feast because for me the right time has not yet come. Having said this, he stayed in Galilee. However, after his brothers had left for the feast, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.

Now at the feast, the Jews were watching for him and asking, where is that man? So you would think that's a good thing, but they're looking for him for the wrong reason. Exactly, which we've already established already in John. Among the crowds, there was widespread whispering about him. Some said, he's a good man. Others replied, no, he deceives the people, which is another thing. If you're whispering about Jesus, not biblical, if you're going to go all in, get it out there.

But no one would say anything publicly about him for fear of the Jesus. use always go to like the golf course or the or my you know when people they're the commentators are whispering they're in a booth nobody can hear them oh he's set up for the seven foot look at this shot yeah because they're trying to create ambience and uh like zach does in their studio that's why one of my biggest pet peeves is people who when they make these deer hunting videos but so they'll show me this footage from time time they're like what do you think about this and I'm like, I got a question, why are you whispering? Doing a voiceover.

After you shot the deer, why are you still whispering? I get it. You don't want them to hear you at first. Then you shoot the deer and they say, oh, I think that's a good one. Oh, it's just so annoying. He could be talking out loud. It's okay. The deer's down.

You just fired a weapon that people heard for nine miles. Yeah. And now you're whispering. Well, you don't want nobody to hear you. you're creating drama. And I'm saying that's what they were doing. They were creating drama and they're whispering about Jesus. So there's a clue right there that they had figured out who he is.

So then in verse 14, not until halfway through the feast did Jesus go up to the temple court's common theme. He keeps showing up at the temple because, you know, we know why. He had the altercation at the temple. And you're like, what caused the altercation? basically when he said, I am the temple. Destroy this temple and I'll bring it back in three days. And I wonder how, Jay's just, and this is just me wondering, and it doesn't matter,

but I'm just curious, when it says he went in secret, did he like, was he wearing like a robe and like a Jedi? Did he put the robe over this? I mean, I think it's possible. I mean, because he definitely didn't want to be noticed for a few days. I mean, so he did something. Now, he has the ability to, like, disappear. Is it the same thing like when he descended, he come and they was talking about him, coming back after he,

they didn't recognize who he was. Well, I don't know. Because, you know, a couple of times they went to him him up and it said all of a sudden he just was gone. But you got to think about it, even when you think you do sins, you know, when you're talking about the weight of your scent,

when you do things that you think are secret, they're never going to be in secret. They're all coming to light. John 3 at the end says that. Everything's coming out. Yeah. And it's, you know, through guilt and shame, even it affects you publicly.

Well, the same thing happens, you know, with Jesus. If you live for God in your closet, in your bedroom, in the secret places of your mind, oh, it's coming out in a public way, and that's going to be a positive thing. It just can't, there's no way to hide it. So that's why he said, you know, you don't find a light and then put a bowl over it. So now whatever he was doing in secret, he's now teaching publicly, to your point. The Jews, verse 15, were amazed and asked, how did this man get such learning without having studied? Which is a question that I've been asked, and I took it as a compliment.

Yeah. I mean, to me, they'll say, well, you're smarter than you look. But I'm like, well, I have the Holy Spirit. I'm in Jesus. So the answer here would be basically eroded. Yeah. I don't have to study it when I wrote it. I don't study the book that I wrote.

How are you so smart? Tommy top that. My job. Jesus, but he answered saying, my teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me, which doesn't sound controversial, but for that audience, it really is.

Yeah, big time. If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. What a statement. What really is. That's actually really interesting because if you think about, it almost seems contradictory to what I just said,

but it's not because Jesus is both God and man. And so in his humanity, he's answering, but he also claims to be God. Yeah. And so this is a very interesting thing, this incarnated God in the one we've known. know is Jesus, he says later on in John 17 that I am the father that were one. And so if he receives this word from his father, the one who sent him, and then later claims to be one with the father,

then we could also say that this word came from him. In the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word was God. Well, right, but he also, and we didn't, none of y'all mention this, he also answers the argument that we talked about a few podcasts ago, is this all for us as humans? Now, granted, he's talking to a Jewish audience here, but he makes that statement, is the argument, is it God's will who does everything, or do we have a choice in the matter?

That's right. And so he answers that with this sentence. I've been waiting for months to get here. If anyone chooses to do God's will, you're like, well, is it God's will or their choice, or our choices involved? So the answer, you just got it. Yes. Exactly.

Is yes. No, exactly. I think exactly is the best. Because you're like, well, wait a minute, which is it? Exactly. That's what he said. When he chooses to do God's will. Oh, man, that's good.

That's good. Here you are. Not a preach. It's read letters, so we're going to give him the credit. Yep. And then he's like, because he expounds all. that. He will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. And I'm really wanting to go back, I mean, before I read the rest of this, because he's going to get to this

famous verse in verse 37 and 38, where he says, if anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. and then it says whoever believes in me as the scriptures has said streams of living water will flow from within him because you got to remember this is all right after this this altercation with the woman at the well where he said I'll give you living water then the John 6th after the he feeds the 5,000 with the bread and he's like I'll give you living bread

I'll give you eternal bread. I mean, so he's given this. And what your sin is by saying this, if anyone chooses to do God's will, and he'll find out, it's like he's setting this in your mind where you come to him thirsty, but you leave with water just flowing out like a flood, a river.

And I love those illustrations that he's, using there. It's more, it's quenched plus. It's more than just quenched. Oh, it's overflowing. It's overflowing. I mean, it's like we're experiencing a flood down there.

Did you see how how the water is down there? We moved two duck blinds, by the way. I didn't tell you about this. No. Oh, yeah. You want to be in, where we move the blinds to,

you want to be in on the first time we get in those blinds because we found the two Xs and we had to wait five years for a flood to get up, move the blind in the X. Unashamed Nation, we are now witnessing a private conversation between God. Well, but the application, though, is the flowing water. Look, because what is a river at that stage? What is it doing?

Why is he depicting that as the Holy Spirit coming? Because one thing it does, it moves anything and reshapes anything in its path. When you think about that being inside of you, I mean, a flood happening in your body and going into places that need to be made more godlike. Oh, it's a powerful thing. But it also is something that's coming out that can be used for moving blinds or watering the plants. Or providing water to other. Go ahead.

I got a role. I'm kind of early, but I want to make this point. I'm going to drop the mic here. I'm going to say the point, drop the mic and leave because I have to drop the Nashville. Here's where this gets interesting because where is he he's engaging in temple activity here. And you brought up to temple earlier. If you read Ezekiel 47, you'll get a vision of that Ezekiel had. And the vision that Ezekiel has of the temple, guess what's flowing out of the temple?

Living water, a flood. A river, a river that flows out of the temple that brings life to everything that it touches. And then the prophet Isaiah in chapter 12 says, with joy, you will draw water from the wells of salvation. So imagine the connection here. This is the connection here to, I think it was happening. Out of the temple flows water that gives life to creation. Now listen to this in Genesis chapter 2, verse 10. We ever look at this verse alive, but it's so key because the original temple was the garden.

That was the original temple. And listen to the verse 10. a river flowed out of Eden to water the garden and there basically it divided and became four rivers. But we read that and we don't realize that why this matters is because wherever the center of the temple is at where God's presence is at, that's where the river of life, the stream will be, it'll be the spring of the river. And I know this because I know how this works because I grew up in North Florida, we have all these natural springs and they all have like a what's called a boil where the water comes out of the ground where the river begins it's the source of the river and then the river flows from that spring so then you have that in the garden you have that in ezekiel's vision of the temple and then later what happens is we become the temple where the holy spirit and dwells now the believer and what was the jesus's instruction to the woman at the well that if you drink the water that i have to give you, that will become a spring in you welling up to eternal life. So now I'm a temple of the

Holy Spirit. And that, and, but why? Because the water of life is in me. There's a spring inside the human body now that produces life and waters the garden. I think that's pretty powerful. Oh, it's real powerful. And I caused that because I skipped ahead because I couldn't wait. I got to go. I love to. I. I believe. I'm playing this. He's saying that because it was, it's a temple setting, and these people are not recognizing Jesus as a Christ, and he's eventually going to get to this famous statement because of verse 39.

By this, he meant the spirit whom those who believed in him were later to receive, up to that time the Spirit had not yet been giving since Jesus had not yet been glorified. That's why he said his time hasn't come, because Troves talking about his death, but then that led to the resurrection, that led to him pouring out his spirit, and that led to people surrendering to him

because he's now been declared king of kings. And you get that spirit, and he's using that analogy as this bubbling inside that just is unleashed. And I was going to read Ezekiel 47, since he brought it up, he says in Ezekiel 47, the man brought me back to the entrance of the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple. The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple. He then brought me through the north gate and led me around the outside, and the water was flowing.

As the man, I'm just kind of skipping along here. As the man went eastward with a measuring line in his hand, he measured off a thousand cubits. What is that? About 1,500 feet. And then he led me through water, and it was ankle deep. He measured off another,

and it was knee-deep. He measured off another, and it was waist-deep, because all this for us being wilderness people, it's things we've gone through, because all of a sudden you start getting a little light. Yeah. Oh, man, this is,

This is getting dangerous here, you know. Getting close to your house. Yeah. And then it says he measured off another, but now it was a river that I could not cross because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in, a river that no one could cross. And he asked me, son of man, do you see this?

And then he led me back to the bank of the river. And when I arrived, I saw a great number of trees on each side of the river. and he said to me and he starts talking about, you know, the water flows toward the eastern region. But watch this verse. This is Ezekiel 47 in verse 8 because you're like, well, how do you know this is applying to that? I mean, you've got the water, the living water, the temple, and there's no doubt John is referring to this. Because then it says when it empties into the dead sea, the water becomes fresh. Well, when you go to that region, I've been to the dead sea.

And there's nothing fresh about it, is it? Oh, man. And you know, the reason it's dead is because nothing flows out of it. It only goes in and it doesn't flow out. So here's Ezekiel hundreds of years ago using this illustration that Jesus would say, this is what it's like for the people to be and dwell by the Spirit of God. And he gives a picture of the Dead Sea coming to life and creatures living and trees going because I'm telling you, I'm into the Dead Sea.

and it just literally everything around there is not just the sea itself. The whole place is just dead. It's in a desert. And I think that's why these people, what Jesus was trying to do is give them a greater picture. Because here we are. We're in the wettest part of America, literally. Look at the staff. And we take it for granted how powerful the water is and what it does.

Even when it doesn't rain here, if it rains up north here, this water just becomes this dangerous, uncontrollable, powerful thing that you just basically have to get out of the way up. And then when you think that's how we are as spirit and dwell people, I mean, what a picture of what God wants to do through you to this world, you know, and let himself be known. So it is very powerful. So then in Revelation 22, and look, this is, we did a guy on a podcast a couple weeks ago, about all these jewels that are described as the bride of Christ. I love that. Look, I've actually had one person say, oh, you were wrong about that.

I was in a grocery store. They're like, no, that's a picture of heaven. I'm like, nope, read it again. I just gave no grace or mercy in that moment. You didn't go, I could be wrong. just said, no. I just said, nope, go back and read it again. You missed it. It's like, it is a depiction of the bride of Christ, human beings, of which we are. And then to give some validation here in chapter 22, look what he brings up. This is right after in 21, 22, it says, I did not see a temple in the

city because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. You know what? There's no sun or there's no light. You know why? Because the Lamb of God is the light. And so then 22, you say, what about this river? This is the last chapter in the Bible. Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life. This is just what we've been talking about.

All in John, I mean, John 4. Now in John 7. And it says, as clear as crystal, you know why? because the lamb purified this river. You can drink it. That's why he told the woman at the well. You drink of this water. You'll never be thirsty.

You'll never be thirsty again, which is so awesome, because you come to him thirsty and you leave out in this world over flow. It's a flood. There's a flood. I mean, just people appreciate that if they've seen floods,

and we see them all the time. Which in the illustration of the woman who was hiding out at the well, who then goes back and brings the whole town out to see him, is that's not a flood. I don't know what it was. That's why I said this can't be, that happened in the secret place,

which is inside you. And that's why this verse is so frequently missed because he's like, well, up until that time, the Spirit hadn't been given. You know, in John 7, people were like, what are they talking about? The Holy Spirit, it starts on Genesis 1. It says the Holy Spirit was hovering over the waters,

and the Holy Spirit came upon. But it was always over there or on them. But now he's like, now it'll be in human beings. And it's described as a flood that flows out. Well, where's it flowing to? The Dead Sea. Look out in our world. That's a good description.

That is the analogy. And I'll finish reading this. It says, flowing from the throne of God. Well, now you're getting into this temple language again. Heaven and earth is now connected through what Jesus accomplished and is doing now through spirit-filled people. Down the middle of the great street of the city, on each side of the river stood the tree of life

and bearing what crops of fruit. So think of all the analogies Jesus made in the Gospels about a tree has good fruit, a bad tree doesn't have fruit. It's all tied into the Holy Spirit, flowing out of people. Curse the tree that won't bear fruit. And then you have this tree of life language, which you're going back to the garden. Remember the tree of life?

That was kind of a temporary tree that was keeping them eternal. Right. I mean, why was it there? Yeah. Even though they hadn't sinned, they were still eating of that tree of life. That was keeping them alive. And by the way, whatever was in it was pretty powerful because even after they quit eating it, they lived to be like 900 years.

Yeah. And what's crazy is by Jesus is. death on a tree, it becomes the tree of life because he forgave us of our sins. It's now dealt with, which then removed the power of all these idols because that's causing sinful behavior because you're bowing down to a God that's not God. That's right. And so by death, he conquered that. And it became a tree of life for us that produced a flood of image-bearing people, which is crazy.

So that's kind of the overall narrative of why he said that. It's not a complex thing. It's a thrilling thing that he's introducing here. And he not only used water, he used in his illustration in John 6th of the feeding, the same concept about food. And he says the same thing. And remember, it was an overflow there because he fed 10,000 people. And then they look around and they said, oh, wait, there's more? Yeah, 12 basketfuls more.

It just keeps going. It just keeps coming. God was trying to reach the nations, and he's going to do it through Jesus Christ and what he accomplished. And then you receiving as humans the spirit of him that did what he's doing. Because you've got to remember, Jesus is full of the Holy Spirit here. And what's the first thing that happened? You know, Mary's baptized, the spirit descends on him. Then he's tempted like we all are, and he defeated the evil one.

in the little temptation narrative, and then he goes out and begins his ministry. Right. And I didn't say this at the time, Jason, we were studying it back in John 6th, but N.T. Wright thinks, that's why John put that story in there about Jesus walking across that stormy night

walking on the water. It's in between him explaining the feeding of the fight when he actually fed him and when he was doing it. He said it was just like the crossing of the Red Sea, which I never had put that together, but I thought, man, what a great... For the disciples to understand, is about.

I agree. So to get back to where we're reading, and I'll just read it, and we'll get into the details. Because we went to the end and now we're going back. Verse 18 of John 7, he who speaks on his own

does so to gain honor for himself. But he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth. There's nothing false about him, which he's talking about himself. Correct. He's here on God's behalf.

He's God's son. Has not Moses, verse 19, he goes back to illustration about Moses. What would you say it? 19 times he brings up Moses? I think 13. Has not Moses given you the law, yet not one of you keeps the law? Why are you trying to kill me?

Which seems to come out of nowhere, that question. But it really does it because it goes in with the fact that they're going to all these festivals, their disciples, because he's going to say this. And look at their response. You're demon-possessed the crowd. answered, who's trying to kill you? And Jesus said to them, which is very clever, I did one miracle and you are all astonished, which if you just think about the power of that statement, which I always do this for fun when people say, do you believe in miracles? They'll say, do you, they're meaning in

modern-day miracles, and I always say the same thing. And I get it from this verse. I say, well, I believe in at least one. And they never know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm specifically talking about the resurrection. But I'm saying, I'm with the one who can do all the miracles. I mean, if he could do one. I really have to believe one. That's enough for me. Because any other situation where I'm in need of a miracle, he has the ability to pull that off. Do you really need any more than that one? It's actually more powerful a statement than you realize. Because if you're just looking for a miracle, it's kind of like what they were doing. They were like following him because they were looking for a meal. I mean, they're like, oh, yeah, that was a great miracle. Now, you got, can you do it

again? We're some more of that. I want to eat some of that fish. I mean, they're missing the whole point. But aren't you saying to them, Jace, exactly what Jesus told Thomas when he was reaching at the scars and he was feeling it. He said, blessed are you who will not see and believe? That's what you're talking about. Exactly. So I'm going to just read the end of this. Yeah, because Moses gave you circumcision, though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs, you circumcise a child on the Sabbath. Now, if a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath? And he's going back to what happened in John 5. Stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment. Now, we'll get into the

details about why he used that analogy. But read it, think about it, and when we come together, the conclusion you should have is Jesus is the son of God. Right. Exactly. John, it's always a pleasure having you on none of shame. You just...

I love it. Did you feel like you're just grabbing the tail of the tiger and hanging on? You got to go back and listen now. Well, but you made the statement that without knowing. You started it. That's right. When you said, who do you think Jesus is? That's right.

Which is the same argument he's making 2,000 years ago to these groups of people. involved. You finally believe that Jesus is who he said he is. What a line. I love it. All right, Johnny G, we'll see it next time. See you guys next time. I'm Unashamed. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast. Help us

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