Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1106 | Phil & Jase Refused to Sing — Then One Conversation Changed Everything

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Jase opens up about his lifelong discomfort with worship—until one talk with Phil helped him surrender to the vulnerability of singing praise. Shane and Shane recall the moment a man died mid-song while singing Psalm 90, just as he’d prayed he would. Jase also shares the awkward moment he didn’t recognize Shane E. after a dramatic weight loss, and the guys explore how worship can change lives—even for men who once refused to sing. Plus, Shane & Shane share the heart behind their daily worship text chain, The Devo, and why singing Scripture might be the spiritual weapon you didn’t know you needed. Join The Devo with Shane and Shane for free by texting DEVO to 682-318-3835! In this episode: Colossians 3, verse 16; Psalm 90, Genesis 4, verse 21 -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I keep trying to tell him it's not where you are, where you're at. It's who you're with. But he can't get that in his head. He has a hard time with concepts. I paved the way for him to see it that way, and then he comes back to me with what I've been telling him. Oh, you like planted the seed of the idea? I planted the seed. He tells me, hey, look what I figured out. Yeah, I did that.

I actually learned that from my wife because I can say, hey, you want to take a trip? And she'll say, yeah, let's go. She doesn't care where we're going. I mean, I've proven that many times. That's who you're with. Yeah, she's like, if you want to go, I'm in. So I do that when I'm kind of, you know, need a little boost.

Yeah. So if you're just tuning in, I think we're rolling right now. Are we rolling already? I see a thumbs up. We're rolling. We're rolling. So who we're with today? is some great friends, old friends.

Yeah, old friends. Shane and Shane. Come on. Let me help you. You have Shane E. Shane E. That's the way I do it. Shane E. Shane.

I have Shane E. And then you get to be Shane. There's true. When I put our friendship to the test, so I'll start this with an embarrassing story. So Shane E walked in, I look right through him. literally right through and he came over here and started to introduce himself

because he realized I did not recognize you you didn't but I didn't realize that you had lost a sack of corn and change you have

you look good hey you know what for y'all that don't deer hunt a bag of corn weighs 50 pounds it does unless you're shopping at academy and it's 40 pounds Is it? Yeah, be careful

because you think, oh, $10 for a bag of corn. You think it's 50, but it's not. That's 40. That's tricky, dude. They're tricky over there. Hey, at Bass Pro Shop,

a bag of corn's 80 pounds. No, it's not. That's the kind of corn we're talking about today. That's the bag of corn we're talking about. He's never bought a bag of corn. I mean, you look great. No, I'm just talking about the kind of bag we're talking about.

Oh, yeah. It's about an 80-pounder. an 80-pounder. Is it 80-pounders? No, I lost about 60 pounds. Well, that's about 80. But you look good. I mean, I said, I'm just, I hate I didn't recognize you because that was a little

awkward. It was. I wish Al was here. If Al was here. Because I've heard Al is. Al's done the work. Al's a former version of himself. So I guess that's trending for y'all boys.

As he said, he feels better? Oh, gosh, yeah. He looks better for sure. He does? Yeah. So is he eating sugar or what's he doing? Nope, he's doing a Ph.D. Weight Loss. It's a, it's like a, it's a whole plan.

It's a whole thing. They give you the food. Yeah, it's no, no trickery or he just. No trickery. No, Zimpic? None of that. None of that. Straight up.

I mean, my dad used to say, which now, you know, you think about, I think, you know, when someone dies, it's like you think about them incredibly more. Yeah. Than your head, even though. People say, you're a lot like your dad, you know. But he used to just make everything simple. And I almost told this story in the funeral because everybody was telling funny stories. And so with my brothers, but we didn't know what each other was going to say.

Yeah, yeah. And so then I looked down, I had like four notes and I was like, I don't have a funny story. And they're all telling funny stories. But I didn't tell it. But this is a funny story. But my point is about weight law. My dad was real blunt about it. And that's why he would nickname people based on their physical features.

Which is dangerous. It was dangerous for everybody else. My dad doesn't care. He's like, I'm giving you the truth in love. And I know it was offensive to people because you're not used to hearing that kind of truth. But, you know, you shouldn't call a woman, you know, thick legs. Yeah, but he did. And you're like, did you have thick legs?

Yep. You know, now he shouldn't have done that. I'm not saying he should have done that. But anyway, the story I was going to tell is when, you know, we had an ice situation in duck season, and we don't get those very often. And so I was out before daylight. You got to remember, that's the key thing here, before daylight, and me and Jay made an ice hole. Because we're kind of in charge of where we're going to hunt. So my dad comes and he's got like six guys in his boat.

And by ice hole, he means a hole that doesn't have ice in it. A hole in the ice. Yeah, a hole in the ice with a motor and we went round and round and made an ice hole. So it's water and ice is, which they're a great situation because if ducks want to land. They got to have a place to land. Yeah. Now they could light on the ice technically, but you just, they see other decoys. So anyway, my dad comes there, and we've told this story probably.

you know, 500 episodes ago. But my dad, when he looked before daylight with a flashlight, he didn't like my ishole because he started doing. And I thought, what's he doing? He's like, what's he doing? I was like, he don't like it. He's either making it bigger or. So you got to remember, he had a bigger boat and a lot of men,

and he was cutting tight circles because we're making a little bitty iso. What he didn't realize is that every time he turned the money, motor water was leaking into the boat because he had so much weight and making tight circle. Well, then all of a sudden, you know, even though it's dark, you see the outline of them, you just

see the boat start going under the water. And it just started all this hollering. And Lyle, one of the cameraman, was just at the top of his line. No! No. Godwin was in there. I think Martin.

That's a danger. I mean, this is... That's dangerous. Well, I started saying, stand up, stand up. Over your waiters, I'd say neck high. So you're getting wet, the boat's going down. But what I found fascinating was in that moment of terror and people are just, and I was like, stand up. What I found fascinating was my dad said, too many honey buns, too many honey buns, too many honey buns, too many honey buns.

Jason, what's he talking about? I said, he's talking about these boys are too fat. That's why he's singing. Too many honey-being. That's amazing. The whole thing sink? Everything sunk. And look, Phil and sigh didn't move.

Everybody else was scrambling. They just literally went down and then popped up. It's so funny. And then Phil turned around and said, get out, help us. He told that to us, and Jay jumped in. And Jay said, you coming? I said, nope. Somebody's got to live, boys, and tell the story.

I ain't jumping in ice water when you can stand up. Yeah. It all worked out at the end there. It all worked out. Hey, speaking of honey buns, I had, I was out in the woods a few weeks ago. and when I heard the story and I was walking in this little shop and I saw something

and I thought about you because the first time we were here you said there was a treasure that Phil would make and it was like you guarded it and you didn't know when you were going to get it really do you remember what I'm intrigued do you remember what you were talking about I don't know what this riddle is we had it that weekend treasure that's a treasure you were like it's a treasure and it gets distributed by Phil

and it's very special. And you let us in on a little family tradition. I think I know what it is. What is it? Mayhall jelly. Mayhall jelly. Okay. Look at this.

I brought some of these for you boys. Look at this. And a little remembrance of our first hangout. Did you make this yourself? No, I got it at this little shop that's right by our ranch. Well, see, that's a dangerous move. Because what if this is not like the treasure? What if it's not?

But it could be. Yeah, get into it. We got a spurn. Look, my dad, what he would do in this moment is you've got to see if it passes the smell test. Okay. Let me hit. Let me see it. I'm going to give it 50-50.

You're going to give it 50-50? 50-50. It has a chance. It doesn't, to me, it doesn't have quite the tartness from the smell. It doesn't have the tartness because it's got to be tart. That's a light. Well, it depends on where they got their mayholes. Yeah.

And my dad, you know, so I'm saying the boy. It's pretty high. It's high. I agree. But receive the gift, though. We can receive the gift, though I didn't get one. Oh, no, I got you one, baby. I got me one too.

I got all you boys one. We'll try it. And if it doesn't meet Phil Standards, then we'll re-gift. You can re-gift it. That's what you can do. That's what you can do. But I thought about it because I'd never heard of it. Yeah.

Well, you know, it's a strange berry that grows, the trees grow in the bottom land of, you any kind of terrain. And they're just a wild tree and a wild berry, and they're like little tart apples. We've talked about them many times. But my dad, oh, you know, it was the thing with them. So every year, I mean, my childhood memories, we'd all go get the berries.

We'd all make the jay all day. And it was almost like excitement, because you knew at the end of the day, we would have homemade biscuits. Oh, man. And that, in that jail. Did the same thing every year. I mean, you want to get childhood?

put that into your legacy where you're kids. But you can't eat this without getting the 80 pound bag of corn as part of the deal. Yeah, that's the thing. That's why I was like, I don't know if I can give it to Al. I mean, I'm going to. Al won't eat it. Yeah, Al won't eat it right now. He put that down.

Once you get in pretty decent shape, you know, and you realize I need to be, that's what I was really going to say. My dad used to say, eat less and do more. Mm-hmm. That was the, he's like, people are paying thousands of dollars for, diet lands. He's like, eat less and do more.

That'll cover it. You know, it's actually pretty profound, but that usually works. So if you're active, he's like, you always have room for treats then. So there you go.

He was a big, he was big into working outside. When people say, I work out, it'd say, well, we work outside. Side.

Side. Side. Unchanged. Cainsawls, run, rip, there. Well, Shane got up this morning. He did his workout this morning. I did do a little workout this morning. You did, you did good.

I made him breakfast. You weren't here. You just pulled in. Shane E was here. Shane was not here yet. You drove in from Dallas. And I figured it was some kind of divine intervention because, you know, we've had a, this week has been, how would you describe it? Intense.

World win, intense, you know. And all our family. Mine, they're still here. Yeah. So there's no prep, there's no stay, there's no quiet time. I mean, my oldest son's got three kids, three, two, and one. Oh, dear. So now every day I wake up and go find these kids' mom,

and I just say, thank you. And can I pray for you today? Yeah. Because I realize that, boy, this is the hardest job on the planet. But what I was going to say is it was kind of a fog in the funeral. but after I spoke, I was kind of nervous about it just because I was just the weight of everything. Then we had this worship from our four,

I'm calling them kids, but what is the age? It's 20 to 25? They're all over 20. Can we call them kids? I mean, I guess compared to us. Yeah, they're still children. But they sang, and you know, I just want to say in that moment, it was just so soothing to the soul.

It was. It was just like, yeah. This is, you know, worship is just more powerful, I think, than we realize. Unfortunately, we have to have something really crazy happen and gut-wrenching and just, you know, emotional and reflective. And then all of a sudden, you're singing with these other people. And, I mean, something spiritual. was happening. It's just sitting.

So that's why I wasn't shocked that y'all showed up. I was like, yeah, the timing of it was kind of, the worshippers show up. Or as my dad would say, Jubils Descendants. There's an obscure verse in Genesis 4 or 5 there was like people who played the harp and kind of sounds like gypsies. They went around in tents and it's like they were from the line of Jubal. so every time somebody who can sing or playing an instrument shows up my dad would say jubles descendants that's what you guys have you ever heard that before i know but that's our new band name

i'll look it up he's going to look up jubles descendants you find jubils descent it's so much better than shane and shame yeah it is but i did love it because it was in that moment it feels funeral i felt it too it's like there's a moment where you know we're having our we're laughing we're crying we're celebration we're tearful and then there was that cry like there was a longing I felt it like man I just want to like I want to sing

yeah you know what I mean I want to sing to our God and with each other and you guys are doing that so I'd love for our audience everybody knows kind of who you guys are from your career as musicians but

you guys are kind of moving into some different areas with the worship initiative and I do want to talk you guys give us a little overview of that why you're doing what you're doing as it relates to what Jason said. And also, maybe we'll talk about the Devo in a second.

But what do you think that is? Why do we long for that? I mean, I think Scripture, you know, it's kind of, you know, as musicians are people who sing, you know, vocationally. There's not a lot. There's not a lot in there where it's just like, but there are some very poignant things in Scripture that are very clarifying. and you know people might say you know i was singing and like the the atmosphere in the room chain you hear like words like that which i don't that's confusing to me but like but like coloshans 316 says something amazing and it's it's kind of a verse that we really cling to every day actually it says

may the word of christ dwell richly in you as you teach and admonish one another in all wisdom through singing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs with gratefulness to God in your heart. And that line in the middle there, that if there is a way, if there is, if there was a formula or a prescription to say, how could, how could we as a human have the word of Christ dwell richly in me? what would I do? What would I do? It would say that we would teach in it and admonish one another in all wisdom through singing.

Yeah. I mean, there's something to it. And I mean, you see it all through scripture, and especially like in the Old Testament with David and Saul and whatever. It's just like there was something about singing that the Lord has really set up. And you can hop in there. Yeah, I mean, to your point, it's like there's something designed in us.

You were saying, like, I couldn't help. I just had, I mean, God's people sing. You know, like, I sang, I actually sang my way into faith. Yeah. That's how I came to know the Lord is, You came from heaven to earth to show the way from the earth to the world. What? What?

My debt. What? That's how I heard, and that's not only heard, but like my soul experienced what you're talking about. And so, like, singing is, like Shane said, it's like, it's a grace. Our buddy John Piper says, like singing is, like, singing's not just a grace. says, like singing is not just a response to grace. It's actually a means of grace. It's a biblical means of grace.

There's a pathway there in Colossians 316 and Ephesians 5 that Shane says about, hey, if you want this to happen, just sing. Yeah. Yeah. And it does hide the word in your heart. It's so funny as it relates to kind of the last couple weeks of our life. there, because you guys, y'all, a lot of what y'all do is, is you sing the word. Like, you do the songs.

Called plagiarism. Call plagiarism. Yeah. Which is a brilliant move. Yeah, but it's the greatest book ever. It's a good book. It's a big book. We got a lot, we got a lot of material here.

And obviously, I love what you guys are doing, for one reason. My kids were a part of the, you guys do, the worship initiative. Like fellowship. A fellowship that Max and Lately got to be a part of, and that was such a rich experience. for them. And really just the intentionality of sitting in the word. Max was like,

the first couple weeks, he's like, well, I would have got done. We just, we just been in the word. Like, we hadn't written the song yet.

He's like, but it was like shocking for him. They're like, no, we're going to sit in the word. Yeah. And then we're going to write. Yeah.

And what's interesting is kind of the way we all met, we met at an event several years ago. I didn't even know who you were. We were just talking. You were about to go, you guys were about to go on stage and perform. But we were like,

standing out there just talking about duck hunting or something. And we just kind of hit it off. And then you get up on stage. Oh, I didn't realize this was the... Yeah. You thought I just worked there. Oh, yeah, I didn't know what you're doing. Yeah, I get that a lot.

Which was great, you know, because I wasn't impressed. And so I think it was like this is a good moment for us. And then we connected, became friends. But at that event, I don't know if it was the same one, but at that event, I don't know if you guys remember this, but you were singing Psalm 90. Oh, yeah, we remember. Teach us Lord the number of days.

And while you guys were singing, in a pretty intimate audience, I would say 100 to 150 people, somebody dropped dead on the spot in the middle of singing a song. We were singing, teach us, Lord, the number of our days. And then this guy passes away at the event.

And it just sat, I mean, obviously that sat in me for a lot of different reasons, but that Psalm came up a lot in your song. What exactly does that mean teach us to number your number or no? So Psalm 90, Moses wrote Psalm 90, which is the oldest Psalm. Yeah, Al brought that up, or somebody did recently. Al brought it up. When? He brought it up on the podcast, and I didn't make the connection,

but I had been sitting in that because it's like this sobering, like, teach me, Lord. Like, I'm, like, I'm a temporal being outside of eternity with you. It's like, it's like, and so we're singing that. So, like, I contemplate my mortality. Yeah. So that I may gain wisdom. Yeah.

Well, I mean, he says, what, you have 70 years, 80 years, but if, if you could read it, you might have, you know. It makes a lot more sense after you read this. Yeah. The context. The context. Well, right. Now I remember that's when he said that.

Yeah. Yeah. He actually did that in the funeral. Psalm night yeah that's where he said it it was in the fear yeah and yeah so that banks more sin but that's but that psalm has sat with me with a lot of others too as the deer panted for the water so my soul along that these are a psalm 51 created me a clean heart of god because i sang these and these and it just and and and just this repetition of singing the word that just it just hid that word in my heart and so then in a time of kind of grief and mourning, I latched on to that Psalm 90 as a message of hope.

And because that had set my house, now granted, we had a pretty incredible experience that you're singing the song about mortality. And then a gentleman passed away. And by the way, I found out later from his daughter that that gentleman had always told his family, when I die, I want to die singing the Word of God. I want to die. That's right. Really?

I want to die praising the Lord. That was his prayer. That was that man's prayer. I mean, it was wild. He went out singing. Yeah, he went out singing Psalm 90, and he's probably got something to say about it because what do you got to say? Well, you know, the lyric, funny enough, the lyric we sang, as the moment happened, was soon our lives turned back to dust.

And so it was a living parable of, hey, this is real for all of us. We don't know if we have tomorrow, but we have today. Lord, would you satisfy us with your love today? And it was powerful. I mean, you don't want that. Nobody wants that. But the Lord wanted to just show us in a real time the blessing it is to be able to call upon his name today.

Yeah, if you get a chance, I mean, like we talk about Psalm 90 a lot, but it's just like the brevity, the depravity and the brevity of life, you know. And what's crazy about Psalm 90 is Moses ends it with two prayers, you know, because he talks about the wrath of God and that we need to be shielded from the wrath of God. And he ends the Psalm with what? Well, he says two things. Yeah, like Shane said, if you get a chance to read through Psalm 90, it's the most epic. It is epic.

like, you know, the oldest, maybe the oldest, at least one of the oldest songs that we know as humans. Because Moses wrote this thing. It's the only one that Moses wrote. Only song that Moses wrote. And he ends it with, how long, oh Lord, until you come and have pity on us? Do you know that God came and had pity on us?

Yes, he did. And isn't that just like, this whole deal, I mean, for whatever, 16, 17, 18 verses of like, life is short and we are sinners and we deserve the wrath of God. How long, O Lord, till you come and have pity on us? And he did. He had pity on his children through his son, Jesus Christ. And he answered that prayer. And he saved us. Like all who call upon the name of Jesus are saved from their sin. And then he prays, would you say, satisfy us in the morning with your steadfast love.

Yeah. And that's the course of the song that we sing. And so would you save us forever and would you save us today in the morning and help us not forget that your love is what satisfies us? Which is, that's been the mantra of our podcast. So Jason and I have been talking about this a lot, like that the gospel is more expansive than just Christ saved me from my sin. He also saved me to him, which is the satisfaction that we're talking about,

that we're satisfied in him, and our desires are changed, and we begin to want him, and then he satisfies that. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled. The problem is I don't hunger and thirst for righteousness in my sinful flesh, but as the Holy Spirit conforms me into the image of the sun, then I do begin to thirst for the things of him, which I can actually be satisfied in, which is beautiful. But, yeah, one of, one of my favorite moments at the funeral was that one of that last song, I think it was the last, song we sang because he lives oh yeah well phil loved that song and to give you the back story about phil i remember him when he came to christ of course i you know as a kid but you know something

he would say later he came to christ and you know they sing a song and of course he starts meeting with the brothers, as he calls it. He would never say go to church. Because Phil, for some odd reason, figured that out quicker than most people, is that you are the church. You're the representative of Christ, which I think is why he lived just as much for the Lord outside the building. He's like, well, I go to the building.

I'm resting. But what he said was when they first sang as a congregation, He said, I opened my mouth, and the words literally would not come out of my mouth. And he said it was embarrassing to me. Because his perspective, he just lived like the devil out in the world. And he was thrilled about Christ. But he was like, this is a very vulnerable thing. Yeah, because he's like, I don't know how to sing.

You know, when he thought singing, you know, he thought, Jive. You know, I'm singing. Crete his Clearwater revival. Whatever. You know, he liked to dance, you know. And so he just said it was a slow transformational process. Yeah. For him, he said, I would open my mouth, nothing would come out.

He said, no, I would get teared up, just listening. It's like the most beautiful thing. But it was a very difficult thing. I just always felt that fascinating. He was like, you know, and so, you know, when I came to Christ later, I kind of shared that story in the funeral because I heard my dad's first sermon at a church building, which he wasn't like they paid him. They just asked him, hey, you want to preach.

And so this was seven years after he came to the Lord's little country church. And what I shared in the funeral is what moved me so much is I thought he was like, what's he going to come up with? and he just shared the same thing he shared with people when they came into the living room, you know, at the house because he was doing that constant. Everybody that showed up, he figured if they showed up,

they must be lost because he lives out of the middle of the way. Y'all been there. Yeah. And so he would share Jesus. I mean, what are like, what are you saying? I don't know for getting out of here live.

From the FedEx driver to the EPA. If you showed up, he said, you know, what are you thinking about Jesus? or what's your story? That's usually how he started. They're like, well, I'm dropping off a packet.

Well, I know this, but, you know, what I'm in on is good stuff. You know, what are you in? That's just how it happened. He did every day. But he did the same speech. Yeah. You know, through the story, Jesus kind of after, you know, the bad news and the good news of what he named it. But I just thought when I heard that, it moved me because I was like,

he's a this is a movement this is he he's a it's a declaration of jesus so i when i come around i had the same problem you know i was like well i'm in i'm in now but you didn't want to sing well i just the words wouldn't come out yeah and uh so that's the story i'm telling you about phil saying that is i went to phil and i was like you know open my mountain i couldn't sing he said i did the same thing so i was telling you this story how i came to understand he's like i just couldn't i was like yeah i don't know what it is. I think there's something, I'm using the word vulnerable now.

We weren't saying that word. It was something kind of embarrassing to us to like try to sing. Yeah, it is very intimate. Yeah, I think it's a worldly view of it. And so I've never really pursued it because I thought, well, I can't sing.

But then when I met my wife, you know, just as a potential, I see this woman and somebody said, you know, I think she kind of likes you or whatever, so I started checking her out, which was a lie.

She didn't say that, but she was trying to matchmake us. So we both were under the idea that we both liked each other from the same person. They literally put us together. And so like on our second date, she was singing.

She's like, come hear me sing. Oh, okay. So I showed up, and everybody else is, wearing like suits and ties and I didn't have a suit and tile it's like the furthest from that camouflage I think I had a ball you know if I'd been playing ball and I was like what in the world and she was singing in a different language you know it was like one of these choir everybody yeah I was like what in the world but she sang a little part and I didn't know what she said but I was like I need to I need to have a front row seat to the I just remember thinking this woman can

And, of course, then the more I got around at church, I was like, yeah, it was like a big draw to me. And so now I've seen God use worship so much through her, even with my parents. You know, my dad, in the moments of before he died, you know, her and me and my daughter, they just turned into a cappella tandem concerts for my dad. And, you know, you would think he was oblivious. He'd go a couple days without any kind of communication. And one night, Mia just went in there. She is crying.

She was like, I just feel like I need to sing. You know, I just feel God wants me to say. I said, go sing. And she walked in there, and she started singing, you know, and Phil, he reached that hand out of bed, you know. He was looking at his hand. She grabbed his hand. He was, like, squeezing.

I thought, well, he's back, you know. Through songs, very powerful. They hang on to the songs. for my mom was that way. She hung on to the songs. Absolutely. To the end. The songs we sing,

which I love that. So, because I think a lot of people are like, maybe like Jace, and it is an intimate thing, which is why I love what you guys are doing with the diva thing you just launched. Yeah.

Because you can kind of get into a rhythm of this. I've thought what you are, I want you guys talk about it a little bit, but I think it's brilliant and very much needed in the church right now. because we're in a daily rhythm of reading the word. I mean, we do that. Jason and I do, you know, we read the word every day.

I mean, even if we didn't want to, we'd have to do for this podcast. But we do that as a rhythm of life. But you guys have started something new now that's a rhythm really of why we sing. So what is, it's called the divo, right? I do want, because I want our audience to shake out. Jason is actually going to be, we, Jill and I are going to be on one. Jason is going to sing on the divo. Jay's is going to make an appearance.

Are you going to sing? I'm actually going to sing one song. We just talked about it before we started this. So there is one song that I can sing. And we're going to sing the bass. So if you want to hear Jay sing, you're going to have to sign up. And you can unsign up the next day, but it's probably worth it because you might not hear it again. Tell us what the divo is free.

It's free. It's absolutely free. And I've been on this for a couple months. Yeah, a long time. Yeah. So it's great. I listen to it. not every morning because sometimes I'm in a place where I can't, but I catch up.

But it's about what, 10 to 15 minutes in the morning? You sign up, you get the text. You get a text every morning around 7.15. You hit the link and then it brings you into the Devo. Yeah, but it just appears on your phone. I get it like at about 7 o'clock in the morning. It just shows up. You click on it.

Yeah, it's good. So, yeah, we do that. And it's just like the daily rhythms. of we feel like there's just something, there's something too, like, like Shane said earlier, it's just like it's a means of grace for us. I mean,

it's a gift to sing. And we tell the story, and we'll talk a little bit more. I'll just tell you, just to kind of, I want to camp out on what you were saying, like singing's not for me. Yeah.

And we've been doing this for a few months, and we've got a little community of guys that I know that are like parents of, of other students that my kids go to school with, my daughter had a program, and we're at this, we're at this, our little ghetto school program, and I walk in, and this guy pulls me aside,

and he's like, hey, can I talk to you for a second? And I said, sure, yeah, what's up, man? And he pulls me to the side, and he's like, man, I've been doing that daily divo, you know, and I've been going to the church with this guy for a really long time, and he's been going to the same church for almost 20 years. he said man i've been doing it and and man i have a i have a horrible voice i'm embarrassed by my voice but i mean getting by myself and and just doing this divo and man he starts to get teared up

and he's just like i i just didn't think singing was for me you know he's like i i go to church and i see people posing their eyes or really into it and and i just sit there and listen and i like the words, but like I just didn't think it was, it was something that the Lord had for me. And he said, but I've been getting by myself and it's changing my life. Oh, that's good. You know, it's changing his life. Because sing is for everybody. It's for everybody.

Everybody has a voice. I was headed toward that transformation because now, like, Missy's like, can you hold it down just a little bit? In the house. And, yeah, I think once you, and even, you know, know at the funeral, I mean, I was singing loud. Oh, it was loud in there. Notes were optional.

Yeah, that's right. It didn't matter. I didn't care in the moment. It was just so, it was so deafening. Yeah. Just everyone, you know, I don't know, there's three or four hundred people in that room, but it was, it was so loud. It was deafening. It was, yeah, it was powerful.

But I think that's the thing that way we miss out on that. And I did, I mean, your journey is similar to mine. I mean, it's kind of interesting because I'll sing, we'll go as far as you want to go with it now. and my emotional expression of singing to the Lord. But yeah, I was embarrassed, I think, to even visually get excited and have this manifestation of song in my early walk with Christ. Look, I want to interrupt you just to say, I realized at some point that I think I was more embarrassed

for the way I viewed God up until I surrendered to him. Yeah. therefore I was having trouble singing this in an intimate way, you know. And I think that's part of it. It's like my dad kind of said the same thing. But we were acting like we didn't want to sing. But the bottom line is there was no excuse for the way we were operating. No, you got to do it.

You know? And I was like, and so now we're to think we're cool and I'm not going to be vulnerable in seeing, you know. But what I think wins, what gives you the victory in that, it's really realizing what God has done for you. I love that. And it's like, you don't care, you'll shout it out from the mountain time. Which is powerful to think about,

because our whole kind of aura around this family, and a lot of people listen to this podcast. I mean, there's a lot of men's men. You know, like very masculine, country boys. Yeah. But there's nothing more powerful than to see someone like a Phil Robertson just lost in worship or even like a conjunction. That is a powerful thing to see that kind of submitting.

And I think it is our view of God. When we start to see the sovereignty and the bigness and just how big this God is and that we all come before this holy being and we get to praise him, because I talked about hiding the word in my heart, which is one aspect of song and why we sing. But the main reason why we sing is because the heart longs to worship him. And this is a language that God has given us. You go to the end of the book and we see where it all ends.

up. Yeah. And it's, so it's, it's kind of the point. Oh, I agree. You know what I mean?

Well, I think you're going to worship something in life and there's a song about that. But I really think that's true. You are in the way you operate. And singing, I think,

is a special gift. It's one of the few things where, and this is another thing I got from my dad, it's one of the few things that when you're singing from the heart, you're never sinning. Because you're distracted it in a good way. You know what I mean?

Yeah. When you're singing, you're not thinking about whatever. I mean, you're actively singing. And Phil said that. He said, it's become a safe place for me. So we helped each other out get over the embarrassment of that and realize it was kind of reflection of our own embarrassment. But I thought that's a good thing.

He's like, it's impossible. When you're singing from the heart and thinking about the words, you're never sinning. You're never, you're never, your mind. is not on something that it shouldn't be. So you guys have done this. I mean, I think this is like a, I would really encourage our audience, by the way,

to go sign up for this because I think if you, like you guys are, this is a, this is a way you can learn to sing in the work, but you guys sing a lot of different songs. But you said it was free, it's free. So what is like,

Zach, you don't have to talk somebody into that. Here's what I found fascinating about it. Y'all do this every day, but y'all can sing so well that it's just, it's like me if somebody's like, oh, so you like to sing now. Well, yeah, but if I want to inspire you,

I'm going to send my son. Yeah. No, I'm serious. He's part of the network here. Because when he starts singing, it's, you know, it just does something to you. There's people from the tribe of Jubal, which was Genesis 420.

Did you find it? 421, those who are skilled with the pipe and the strings. the instrument. So Bill's right. It's where we get to word Jubilee. Jubil. They come from Jewel.

Oh, wow. We're learning some Bible here. Come on, man. But so, yeah, I wanted to say that because it's just, I think it's cool that that you're doing this every day, which I realize when you start doing something every day, it becomes a bit of a grind. Like this podcast or whatever it is. But I think y'all just have a really good sound together no matter what you do.

Because there's other, y'all bring lives. Yeah, y'all start seeing. It's fascinating. Our kids are starting to jump in. Because I know you don't have a whole lot of time to like make that, you're just bam. It's raw. I mean, we sit around a table and we sing. Well, there's been a couple times you're like, oh, we, you know, we missed a note or something.

Yeah. But I love that. The fact that I didn't, well, I didn't notice. Yeah. I mean, it's like, this isn't like a highly produced. This is not produced at all. It's just like, because I've sat on a few of these. Yeah.

You sing from the heart. It's awesome. Like Shane told me the other day, he's like, did you listen to yourself yesterday? And I said, yeah, I listened to it. He's like, that was pretty rough. That dude, that dude, that dude's made for high harmony, not low harmony. He's just like, dude, you, you, he's digging around.

But there's just something powerful. There's something powerful about you singing, good days and bad days. Yeah. That brings us together. You know, it's different than just having your Apple, iTunes or Spotify on in the background. It's different. Yeah.

We're doing something different. We're like, we're coming and setting aside a time to... It's like a divo. Yeah. That's what I would call it. To like get after the Lord. And we open the scriptures and we remember things and we experience things because of the gift

of God's word and singing. Yeah. And it's special. Oh, I agree. And it helps, I think, in the day because it's just like, you know, we, in our little school, they say this all the time, but I think it's very profound. It's just like we wake up in the morning and we read the word and we hide it in her heart like you're saying. And it really does furnish the mind. It really like puts things in the mind that are that are on the forefront. And if you've

kind of got that reputist you know, you say, oh, you get that song that's stuck in your head. And it's like, if you want to get something stuck in your head and you want to like put a piece of furniture, It's going to be sitting in there. And you're remembering all day. It's just like, Jesus loves me. Jesus is real. Like, I mean, things like Psalm 90, like teach us, oh, Lord, a number of our days

that we may to get a heart of wisdom. And it's just like you've got that in your mind. And it's just like you're doing that and that you get that daily rhythm of that. And it just helps you bring to mind the things that he said, the things that he says you are. And it's very helpful.

It's been helpful for me because we do it. I mean, I do it every day. And it's life-changing. And so it's just like if whatever it is that you're, that you're, whatever, let's say, let's say trouble could be on the way. And you have an enemy that's like assaulting you every day. And you're going to have opportunities to walk in the ways of righteousness. And like, if you're furnishing your mind with the truth of God, it's, it is how we arm

ourself. Yeah. And so it's just like, I'd just say arm yourself with the, with the gifts and the tools of the Lord has given you to fight the good fight, you know? It's like when you wake up, you want to remember stuff because we're so forgetful. It's like I almost like, at one point I wanted to call this remember because it's like the gift of singing. It's like we want, Jesus the Nazarene, I stand amazed in the presence of Jesus.

What else you're going to say in the morning when you wake up? Yeah. And, man, it really does, like, completely change a day when you can remember why it is you're here and who it is you're after. It changes everything. And whose you are. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think the diversity of it all, Miss and I did a class one time.

It was like a seven-week class. who's the guy who's the most famous contemporary Christian singer always forget his name Chris Tomlin Chris Tomlin thank you and I've met him several times and we're friends but in the moment he's my favorite guy he wrote a book with somebody called the holy roar and so we taught a class on that on that book and it was kind of just given the church where we were at was a little bit conservative and I'm kind of saying that funny Not theologically, because he means like conservative and traditional. Pretty much in every way you could ever think of being conservative.

Because I'm conservatives. It's like, well, here's a better illustration. When I walked in for the first time, I wanted to say, no, he came back from the dead. Really? He's alive. Yeah. Because you just looked around and thought, no, he actually, he rose.

This is real. Yeah. Yeah. So they just didn't look too happy. So we taught a class to try to give, and we use that book, as like permission to get excited about Jesus. Yeah. And in different ways.

And so because my wife and son, you know, my family's musical that I'm married into. And so, but I just think when you think of psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, isn't that interesting how there's, that means different things? Yeah. And some of the most powerful moments of my life as a teenager was out at camp singing, hearing other young people sing, because there's no place to hide when you're singing an aquapel. No. And, you know, you're out there one night and somebody's just shared what they've been into or whatever, and you're gathering around a campfire. And, you know, some people just start singing.

And, I mean, it just gets powerful. And I've had just the similar experiences with, you know, thousands of people. and music you know but it's I just think I find it so fascinating so it makes you realize

it's more of the who we're singing about yeah yeah and the implications but there's different ways I think that you see that

in moments and it's just that that's what seems so powerful to me about this you know I met Shane for the first time he was singing

another language I was really I was what was what was what was what was

synchia siahamba Kukignineine Krinkos. I still remember that because I sang it. He was singing in Swahili. We are marching in the light of God. He was singing in this choir. I was. And he didn't, the choir was singing the words. And well, he was, he was moving his mouth, but he was moving it in different ways than the choir.

And we all walked up to him after like, you need a friend, man. Dude, do you use the friends? And that was our first time. He just stood out like a black sheet. Dude, I got and saved on a Saturday night in a bar. the next morning I went to a church that was right by my apartment. Yeah.

I walk up front because I grew up in the Baptist faith, so I figured you got to go down and sign a card to get saved. Yeah. You know, you got to sign on the dotted line. You know. Got to sign that contract, man. And you did.

And you did. So I didn't know what he talked about. I just knew it was my time to go sign the card. So I walked down front and I, you know, do my thing. And the pastor was like, we got a college group, cross the way, walk over there and go meet this guy. This is an A&M.

This is at A&M. Yes, Texas A&M. So I walk across the street. It's like a parking lot. So I walk over there and I walk in and I was like, I know all these jokers in here. They all were at the same part as I was at. So I walked back. I walked back over and the pastor, they hadn't started the second service yet.

And I said, hey man, like, if that's what this is, I'm out. Like I know all those people in there. And he's like, well, what do you do? You know, this is all real quick. And I said, well, I've been singing in this band. He's like, Monty. And Monty's the choir director. He's like, Monty, you put this boy in your choir?

And Monty's like, yeah, can you be here at 5 o'clock? And I said, okay, I'll be here at 5. So that was one Sunday. The next Sunday, I had gone to a rehearsal on Sunday night, and then I went to a thing on Wednesday night. And then Sunday, I'm singing at church, like, in a row. you jump right in. I was in, dude,

just went from the... But you didn't know the words of the song. I went from the bar to singing the song in Swahili song. Yeah, they put you in the show choir, though. They put me in the show choir. You were in the, like, the ten people choir. Like, there's the massive choir, but then there's the ten people. And so he's so exposed down there, just smiling and not having any idea.

I mean, dude, it was a good thing he was in Swahili because you were singing Greek. I was so green. Speaking in tongues down there. You needed a divo. I needed a divo to sit in for a little bit. But him and his group of buddies came down, like, afterward. They felt sorry for me. They was like, man, you need some friends.

So you really saw him and you felt compassion. You had compassion on him. Well, I had already met him because, funny enough, right before that moment where he got saved in that bar, I borrowed his guitar to play my first ever thing in front of people. In front of people. Because my guitar didn't plug in. And I had no business singing, but my roommates talked me into. it so I borrowed this guy named Shane's guitar and played this concert and you know a month later

I dropped out of school and that's what I did. How many years ago was this? 28. Yeah, 97. That was, yeah, that was before the whole kind of CCM and all that. That wasn't really a thing back then. Not really. CCM was a thing.

It was a thing. It was a thing. It wasn't really worship. The worship part would. Yeah, it was like Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith were kind of happening. DC Talk. Yeah. But it was like, I mean, there weren't really options like there are now.

I mean, I was in college when all that happened. No, the guys that were doing worship was, it's kind of like choir. The first one I heard. And then key, keyboard guys. Well, look, here's the deal. If you guys want, we really want to encourage you all to check this out. We're going to put the way to access the Devo in our show notes. Okay, it's great.

You want to tell everybody real quick. What's the quickest way for someone to download? Yeah, you can text. Should I just say the number? Yeah. What's your phone number? Yeah. You're going to text Shane?

No. Is this the equivalent of Phil giving his address? on national television. So, I mean, if you want to get this thing, all you do is pretty simple. You ready for this? I'm ready. You text the word Devo, D-E-V-O.

So just get on your thing like you're texting your friend to the number, 682-3-1-8-38-35. So just up there in the top box, 682-3-8-38-5. Just text the word Devo, D-E-V-O. it's like two steps and you're in. You're in. And then you'll get a text in the morning.

How much it costs? It costs. Zero. Zero money. It's the cost of zero. I mean. Yeah. For free?

For free. And if you hate it, just text stop. But do it for a while. Give yourself a week. Yeah. Like sometimes you've got to warm yourself up. Yeah. That's right.

That's right. Hopefully you can do it. So maybe should we go out singing? Do we have time to go out singing? Oh yeah. I think we need to do. Yeah, let's do. So we've been in what they call the,

orthodoxy. Yes. Let's get into the orthopraxy. You see what I'm saying? I know you guys are theologians in here. Get that cricket button now. You know what I'm saying? We're going to sing.

What are you going to sing? So y'all sang this at the funeral, and you were telling me that Max sang it. Oh, because he lives. Because he lives. One of my dad's favorite songs. One of your dad's favorite songs. And so if you're at home and you're listening to this or in your car or whatever,

just sing with us. The key is singing. So we'll give it a shot. I want y'all to jump in. You need it. You know you can bring that third part. God sent his son. They called him Jesus.

He came to love. He'll and forgive. He bled and died to buy my pardon. An empty grave is there to prove my Savior lives. Because he lives, I can face tomorrow. Because he lives. All fear is because I know the future. Living just because he lives.

Then one day I'll cross the ridge I'll fight life's fine No war with pain And then as death Gives away to victory I'll see the lights of glory And I'll know he'll

Because he lived Because he lives I can face tomorrow Because he lived All fear is gone Because I know The future And life is worth the living

Just because he lives And life is worth the living just because he lives. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.