Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1109 | Jase Puzzles over Uncle Si’s Pals Believing His Death Hoax—While He’s in the Room with Them!

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

Al reads one brutal comment he wishes he hadn’t, and Jase launches into an investigation to find out if it’s true. Jase ponders how Si’s buddies can buy the rumor of Si’s death while he’s sitting at the table with them, and he and Missy prepare for their famously chaotic July 4th celebration. Al’s sermon on Joshua 3 uncovers how God doesn’t just close the distance between us—he erases it entirely. The guys trace the through-line from Genesis 15 to John 8 to show how God transforms our identity, keeps his promises, and brings us into new life through Jesus. In this episode: Romans 12, verses 1–2; Genesis 15, verses 1–21; Exodus 6, verse 2; Joshua 3, verses 1–17; John 8, verse 58; John 20, verses 19–22; Hebrews 11, verses 17–19 —  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We released the dad's funeral this last weekend, Zach. And a lot of you have sent some amazing comments. We're so glad we got to share it with you. You know, it's just not something you do, obviously, all the time. But it was something that we felt like dad wanted to do is like him speaking kind of from beyond the pale about. the gospel and how it matters and then coming through his kids. I thought it was good. I mean, it's not something you would normally do. I have very little recollection of it. Kind of was a blur now, wasn't it? I was in a fog, but I just don't think I could watch it, you know. Yeah, I watched a little bit of it. It was funny, Zach, so I don't read comments. Jason and I are kind of commentless,

but I have to admit, there were so many. Wait a minute, don't be connecting yourself with me. I'm saying you said that for I don't read the comments. I don't either. You have said that. But back the truck up a little bit. I don't get on social media. So it's right, oh, me and Jay's don't read the comments. No, I'm not even there.

I did one post and I broke my cycle. Yeah. Because I've already shared that story. So just releasing the fact that my dad had died. Right. And I only did it because the media. Yeah, you have to get out ahead of it. Yeah, being, trying to think of a positive word here.

Sensational, maybe that's a good way to put it. Yeah, they were sensationalized. They kind of did the same thing with Mom this last weekend because something you and Willie had said a while back about her being in poor health, which she has been for a pretty good while. And then all of a sudden it was like, I think because they're coming in on the heels of dad, it's like, well, Ms. Kay is now a death store and, you know, all this stuff. It's just. Where did you hear that from?

It was all over the internet this last week. Well, quit reading them. People were telling me, Jays. They were like, is your mom okay? We were sitting there with Kay, and I was like, I was looking at her. I said, Kay, like, you look incredible. She looks great. I mean, like, I'm like, she said, I don't know what to do about that.

I mean, I'm a widow now and everybody tells me how good I look. I mean, I don't know what to make of all that. She told me that last night. I wish people quit telling me how good I look. I said, Mom, they were just saying that, like, physically for the first time in why are you looking great. That's all they're saying. Well, I mean... But the comments were encouraging, by the way.

I will say I read it. Well, except for one guy who said, and this is why I don't like reading the comments. But you did. I know I did, and I shouldn't have it. So you should start there. I made a mistake. You're right. I was wrong.

And so all these things I'm reading and they're so encouraging about dad. And then one guy says, your dad was a saint, but you're the biggest narcissist I've ever seen. Oh, wow. And then I was like... So it took me back. And then I was like, am I a narcissist? I mean, of all the things I've ever been accused of, and many of them have been true, never a narcissist.

Jayce, is he a narcissist? What do you think? Well, I'm looking the word up because I thought it had something to do with killing somebody. Isn't that? Where did I get that connection from? Because a lot of murderers are narcissists. He could be a narcissist and not be a murderer. Does it kind of sociopathic on its scale, right, Zach?

Like self-absoror. It's like a period of my life. Not like I would see myself, but, you know. I went through a period of life where I watched like dateline. Missy and I got in the dateline deal. It was a sign of old age. You and Willie. Willie got into that, too.

I watched like 100 episodes, you know, in a few weeks. A couple years ago, yeah. And so maybe that's where that came from. But I'm actually looking it up. It says it's a personality disorder. Narcissist personality. disorder, and this is not from AI, this is actually some clinic group. So they've defined this for you.

So let's see what you are. Is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. Well, you've got those tendencies. I have confidence. They need and see too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others.

Well, that's not true. You're out on that. I'm very... Yeah. Al, here's the question. Do you... After you read that, did you have anything in you

that asked yourself the question, am I a narcissist? I did, immediately. That means you're not a narcissist. In fact... A narcissist would never say, am I a narcissist? They would never even think that.

They'd think who is this a loser. They'd be like, that guy, this guy, I mean, it would never... They would instantly project and defect, so they would... I immediately thought, in fact, so I had read it, and then I was preaching Sunday,

and I was going to tell our church, because I had announced there last year, that I was going to do a 60 by 60 campaign to lose weight, and then I had an epic fail, which is... Yeah, but a narcissist would do that. Well, maybe, maybe so. So then I... Hey, guys. But I actually did it. Hey, guys, I'm fixed to lose some weight.

No, but I did it for accountability, Jay's. But it was a mistake because I didn't do it. But then I had to say, I got to my birthday, and I was like, okay, epic fail. I didn't lose any way. Jace lost a bet. But then, six months later, I'm still 60, and guess what? You lost 60 pounds. You lost 60 pounds.

You did it. Here you go. Well, you're not a narcissist. I want to cast a birthday. You are not a narcissist. Because that person wasn't a real. It was like one of those meme covers for their thing. So if you're the one that it is at, thank you for now backing up.

I didn't do it. I would not accuse you. See, that's the problem with these comments that people. do behind closed walls because you could read a hundred positive ones but the only one you remember you're exactly and that is the sad thing I did read a hundred positive ones and I should be focused on that because they were amazing so again part there is another well let me let me just give you all a piece of advice on this because I do read the comments and it's kind of like you need to repent you need to repent I mean that's part of I'm trying to keep up with everything

but it's like for me it's been like taking allergy shots you know what I mean you it's like Like at first you're like, whoa, that, that stings. But then after a while, you just kind of understand that it's part, like, if you have a public profile, part of the thing is going to be that they're going to have a small group of detectors. We might already get to the Bible because this is going off the rail. As Zach says things that, like, you know, it's like when you take allergy shots, no one I know in my life would know what you're talking about. I've never taken allergy shots, but it's kind of like you take a little bit. Jersey Joe takes them, speaking of the guy. Yeah, it's like you take a little bit of the thing you're allergic to,

and every time you kind of build up an immunity to it. I just figured I never going to go down that road, because once you, I just endure allergies. Oh, yeah. So I do want to mention this, and this may be narcissistic of me, but I have an event this Sunday. Yep, I'll see where the guy got. At least I'll see where they got.

Yeah, you may be a narcissist. But this is just so people will know. I'm in Mobile, Alabama, at South Coast Church on Father's Day, which is this Sunday, and I'm going to be preaching. I'm going to actually preach the same sermon that we're about to talk about. And then, but in it is kind of a tribute to dad, and it'll be great because this father's... I thought it was good. I heard your sermon yesterday.

And mom, look, she's good. We sat with her at church. She was there yesterday. And I mentioned it right off the back. and she got a huge round of applause, which I thought was neat for her. And she was waving, you know, from her wheelchair down there. It was awesome. Yeah.

It's always one of the reasons I got off social media is when my buddies one night were sending me texts. I was playing cards with other buddies, and some of them are sending me a text at the table instead of just saying, hey, J's. Sorry to hear about. I love it that people text in the same room now. Yeah. Well, here's what's funny about this story is they were someone released that Si was no longer with us. Here we go.

He's sitting at the table. And there are people, the reason they're texting me. Did somebody shake him to make sure. No, they're texting me like, what do you want to do about this? I'm like, he's sitting at the table in the room. I mean, these aren't, you know, close friends, I guess, because they thought, oh, it's awkward, should we tell Sa'i that someone has just reported that he's no longer with us

and we're sitting at the table? It's like, you know, I think the biggest problem I have with that whole world is it's kind of designed just to waste time. Yeah. People are, because I get, you know, they'll come over for supper and they're just, I don't know what they're doing. Yeah. They're scrolling.

While life is going on. Which is why that these things get out there because everybody that's sending out information wants you scrolling and clicking on whatever they're putting out there. So they're going to be sensational, which that's what we're seeing, a lot of these crazy stories. I think it's a problem. It's just turning people into zombie.

Well, even like yesterday, my little scripture reader for the sermon, it was interesting because they sent me little notes about them. And this little kid's 10 years old going in the fifth grade, but one of his things he wants to be as a YouTube person. I heard that. And I thought,

well, that's, he is a full product of this generation. Now, when that's a goal you have said

10 years of. Just think about it 40 years ago. Somebody had come out and said, I want to be a YouTuber. We'd like, Ricketts.

I'm a YouTuber. I mean, would you have known what that was 40 years? But one of my granddaers is like that. She's like, she thinks it's really cool.

I think, I think everybody deep down wants to be a star. It is. And now there's a way to do it at that place, you know, which is there. Jay, tell us about the faith, family, freedom. I see you wearing the shirt today. Yeah. No, here's the difference between me and you, the narcissist.

My wife handed me their shirt. I said, wear this for the bike. Yeah. So we've done this. How many years have we done this? I think at least four or five. Four or five. Four maybe.

Look at this. The timing is weird. my wife sending me text. So my wife had a idea. She just invited the public for faith, family, and freedom in the spirit of the 4th of July. This is the third annual, by the way. I'm looking at that.

Third annual. And, you know, we do a little worship thing. We do some fireworks. We have that a lot safer. We made a good adjustment there. You know, you get a couple thousand people and you hire the local Redneck to do fireworks. and he just does it right in the middle of the crowd.

Like 27 minutes of death-defying fireworks. So we move that a little bit away. Literally death-defying fireworks. Missy's like, what did you think? I was like, well, we survived. We made an adjustment on that, so I feel like we're safer now. But I don't know. It just turned into, I think it's more about the freedom we have in Christ,

but we do honor. And it's almost since it's a Sunday, it's almost turned into a weekend thing in terms of people come to WFR usually that morning and then that's that afternoon. It's been the Sunday before the 4th. This year it's June 29th. And by the way, it's logtownestate.com

has the information for it if you want to go. Okay, so there's the information. So if you want to come, we... Can you stay at Logtown? Can you stay there? No. that whoever's staying there that was that was booked the day after last year so I didn't did you get the invite now have you been invited to us it's a standing invite because the general

public has been invited Zach that's yeah I'm a part of the general public is that Al Matt had been accused of being a narcissist but you're showing that you have those tendencies the general you said well you walked in and you said you didn't get the invite and I was like no and then you so you sent me up jace you said you didn't get the invite and I was like no like meaning that was well I mean I've been out of town the last year I'm excited I am in town this year so I'm looking you know we experienced freedom in America we experienced freedom I'm actually preaching that day did you know that it's no I didn't know that I'm I'm preaching that if that helps you make your decision to come I will be preaching at WFR I'll be preaching in Josh yeah I did that last year and that was too much yeah I figured it was that's why

stepped in for you, so the gist of it is we have a little backyard Jesus presentation. And I have a couple friends that may come this year. It's not confirmed, so I'm not going to drop their names. So that would be interesting that. I mean, they're quite famous.

So we'll see if they show up. But they're not doing what they became famous for. They're coming to, you know, be a part of the little backyard Jesus presentation. So every 30 minutes just ran. So there'll be some preaching or like what else though? Yeah, but it's just shared. It's volunteer.

I mean, you can, the whole thing's free. So it's not like, but it's quite the production that my wife and her team puts on every year. Yeah. And then, you know, if there's too many people and you have to walk a mile to get in, so be it. But, you know, that's just the way it is. Yeah, it's at the Logtown Estate that Jay's the Missy have. It's beautiful out there. Oh, and you can buy one of these shirts.

There you go. 20 bucks. So it's on the, I'm looking it up right now. It's on the, what days are going to be on the 28th? 29th. 29. 29. It's a key bit of information.

Yeah. So let me give you a one little piece of advice that you're listening because I just look this up. You can, you got to hayjack.com to get your hotel. Oh, here we got to sign up through. You got to do it. I'm looking at it right now and it's significant cash back on pretty much every hotel in the area.

You're going to get the lowest priced on the internet. And you probably need to put some stuff on there. that will cool you down. Because I'm not apologizing. It is hot. It will be hot. It's going to be hot, so you want to be at a place. It's in Monroe.

So if you're going to stay at a hotel when you do your search, you stay near Monroe because that's on the other side of the river from where. Well, you can stay in West Monroe and drive 10 minutes. Yeah, it's not, yeah. Any place in Monroe, West Monroe, West Monroe is good to get to there. And also, if you come to Debbie Far that day, I'm preaching at 10. We'll have the Unashamed Bible class at 9. which would be great that day.

So there's a lot of cool stuff for the whole day. It's going to be a great day. Okay, that's it. All right, is that it, Jay? Yeah, so I want to hear about your sermon. I heard it yesterday. I thought it was fantastic. Al, you're real good in the Old Testament history.

Y'all are doing a series in Joshua. Yep. But since the book of John, we're in the book of John, John keeps referring to what happened in the Hebrew scriptures as Jesus being the fulfillment. and he keeps using illustration after illustration from Moses to Abraham. So there's connections here. And I mentioned yesterday at the beginning, just that thing, Jay's, that I loved the time

I spent studying the Old Testament with Jason and I were in school together, because it opened up a lot for me. What has now backtracked some 35 years later is our study in the New Testament going back to the Old Testament. And I'm learning some things I didn't learn even years and years ago. which, by the way, is why you studied the Bible, because things come to life. And so some of the things we've been doing recently have been a blessing. And one of the things that I started with our, we have a little scripture reader that

reads a scripture. A lot of times is in the text that you're going. But I started out with Romans 12. And it's really interesting because the reason I did that is this idea of transformed life is really what I wound up dealing with way back in Joshua chapter 3, which I had never seen this before. And I think it's because of our study and John and all over New Testament stuff. But you remember the verse,

I urge you brothers in view of God's mercy to offer your bodies as living sacrifices. We're off the bat. That's so much Old Testament idea, because where did the idea of sacrifice come from? And now he says, this is you. Holy and pleasing to God, this is your. spiritual act of worship, do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Well, how does that happen? How is that even possible? Somehow,

something has to be in you that begins a transformation process. When that happens, then you will be able to test and prove what God's will is, his good, pleasing, and perfect will. And so that was my jumping off place way back in Joshua chapter three, because we've been studying as a church, the book of Joshua. But even that whole, it's almost that becomes a whole metaphor. You've been, you just did a lesson on Exodus 3, wasn't it?

Yeah. And you talked about this on the podcast. Well, I saw the same thing in Joshua 3. And all we're doing is fast forwarding to the point where the promises of Abraham are about to be recognized in Joshua 3 because 400 years earlier in Genesis 15, God appeared to Abraham in this dream.

and says, look, in 400 years, you know, your patronage, your people that come from you, are going to wind up being enslaved by some people, but I'm going to take care of them. They're going to come out of that slavery, and they're going to go into a land. And then he mentions all the people that probably weren't even present yet, but he's given them the play-by-play, and we get to Joshua 3, and that winds up being exactly what happens. And so we started with the Red Sea crossing, which is in Exodus 13 and 14. And I made the point, Jay, is that they were running from something when the Red Sea crossing. They're running from slavery.

They're running from the enemies of God. And they're running towards this promise. But when they get to Joshua 3, they're running instead of away from something, they're running into something. Because now you're realizing the promises of God. You're realizing that we don't run away from enemies. we run towards enemies when God is with us. And so just that idea of crossing the Jordan into something new, it just really struck me as that's exactly what we do.

I mean, we cross over into something new. And Jason, I made the point that you said something profound at Dad's funeral that you said Dad didn't die last week. He died 50 years ago. Yeah. Which was a very profound statement. In my mind, as a kid, I was like, what, what happened?

Who, who is this guy? Yeah, exactly. It was, it's not, it's not the guy that he once was. Right. There was, you call it a death, which I didn't understand that in the moment. Yeah. But he literally, the old feel, the only fell on it, he literally died. Yeah.

And it was never the same, even though it was bumpy in the transition. And what's funny is, yeah, even dad really. realize it because you remember his first comment to his buddies coming back trying to get him. He said, oh, no, boy, that old boy you're looking for is gone. He's dead. Yeah, he's dead and gone. Which, that revolutionizes your thinking, if you really stop and think about that for a minute and our fear of death and our fear of the crossover. Well, you see all that in Exodus for sure. I mean, you see it with both the crossing through the Red Sea and the crossing through the Jordan River with Joshua, that it is that

the enemy is being swallowed up into the water. So you see that through kind of like the picture of baptism in the New Testament. Interestingly enough, one thing that hit me this week as I was pouring through Exodus in conversation with what you said about Genesis 15, it's interesting that in Exodus 6, the Lord, he says, he said, God spoke to Moses, and he said, I am the Lord. This is in verse 2 of chapter 6. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as God Almighty.

In other words, I appeared to all of like your patriarchs. And part of what he's talking about here is that appearance is in Genesis chapter 15, when the word of the Lord appeared to them and gave them that prophecy. But what's interesting is the difference is between what he did with them and what he did Moses because he says, but by my name, the Lord, Yahweh, I did not make myself known to them. What's happening in Exodus and Joshua for that matter is that God is coming on the scene now in a different capacity. He's not just saying, I am God. He's actually saying, and here is my name. And so that whole idea of what is God's name, which is Yahweh, is fully embraced in the New

Testament in the name of Jesus. Because if you remember that the Jews would not even speak the name of Yahweh out of reference, so they wouldn't actually say his name. And they wouldn't write his name. And they wouldn't write his foot. I wouldn't write it. And so when we went to Hobby Lobby and saw that Esther scroll, won't you with me out? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You remember when they were showing us, they wouldn't put Yahweh in, the full name in. But think about that as an Old Testament Jewish understanding of who God is and his name. And then understanding who Jesus is, that at the name, you know, the name, you know, of Jesus, every knee will bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, that if you ask anything in my name, it shall be done for you. There's no under name under heaven and earth by which men can be saved. And so the name of God actually comes down in a way that now, not only can we say his name, it's actually by his name, Jesus, that we actually find our true salvation. That is quite the incredible story of Exodus that's fully kind of embraced and accomplished in the

New Testament and the one we call Jesus. No, you're right. And so what I did, in this, I would never have approached this text the same way had we not been doing the study we're doing, which, by the way, it links into John 8 and 9, or John 8, because they brought up Abraham in that text. And Jesus is having to tell them I am, right? I mean, this is me, and this is the reason why. So my approach to, was threefolded. I think this is a great way to approach your Bible study, especially if we're in the Old Testament.

You should always be thinking this way. What did it mean in the present of the people that were dealing with it? Because there's a great story in the book of Joshua about the conquest of Canaan and everything is happening, and there's a lot of things to learn from that. But anytime you look at a story like that,

you just immediately be thinking about where the prophetic message goes to Jesus, because it's always going to be pointing to something that he brings up. And then after that, what does that mean? to me. In other words, what's the presence of that in my current life? How does that apply to me? Because everything has application. And so one of the things I looked at in the present, and this comes from

the first couple of chapters of Joshua as well, is that God is really in charge of everything. And because even in that promise, Zach, in Genesis 15, he says that little curious statement at the end, Abraham, he says, he tells him about the land promise and what's going to happen. He says, but then he adds this little caveat, said, for the sins of the Amorite has not, has not reached its full measure. And you're like, who are the Amirites? I mean, Abraham, no, I had no idea who they were. And so the idea was, he's like saying, look, I'm working out 400 years in front of you on what I'm going to be doing.

But I made the point there that a lot of people make a mistake here when they read passages like this. They say, well, you know, if God's will is supreme, which it is, then our will doesn't matter. But that's not true. Because God made us in his image to choose and make decisions. And therefore, our will does matter. And the will of an individual affects the will of a collective. And you see that in this text, because you see whole groups of people that because they followed false gods, they wound up as a, as a cursed group. And it took them hundreds of years to get there. But that was all done by choice. It wasn't like, you know, well, we didn't have any choice because, you know,

the Amarized sin is not to a full of measure. You're like, no, they were making decisions for 400 years, the wrong ones. Well, and you also in Genesis 15, though, is how God is going to work inside of that. I always found it interesting in that passage where, because there's this weird story that seems kind of weird, if you don't know the background of it, of these animals being cut in half. he cut the animals in half and he laid them each half over against the other. So in other words, he's just imagine like a pathway, if you're like imagining this scene of God having this conversation with Abraham and working out this covenant with him.

When they made the agreement, it's like a pathway of dead animals. So you've got these dead animals that half on one side, half on the other. And there's a pathway that you could walk through in between the carcans. in between the dead carcasses. And so the idea of what that meant is that the parties of the contract would walk through the divided carcasses in Genesis 15. And what they would say collectively is if either one of us breaks this deal, this covenant, this contract, this thing, what we got going on, if we break the covenant, may this happen

to me, may I be cut in half as these animals are cut in half? And that was kind of the idea there. But what's interesting about that scene is that after Abraham cut these animals and laid them out and created the path for Abram, I guess Abram actually at the time, Abram and God to walk through to make this deal, says the sun went down, verse 12, A deep sleep fell on Abram.

And behold, dreadful and great darkness fell upon him. Then the Lord said to Abraham, Abram, no for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in the land that is not theirs and will be servants there. This is Egypt here. And there they will be afflicted for 400 years. But I'm going to bring judgment on that nation that they serve. And afterward, they shall come out with great possessions. As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace and you shall be buried in a good old age. And they shall come back here in the fourth generation for the iniquity of the Emirates has not yet been complete. And then verse 17, and when the sun had gone down and was dark, behold, a smoking

firepot and a flaming torch passed between these pieces. And on that day, the Lord made a covenant with Abrams saying, to your offspring, I will give this land from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, to the land. And it goes off to the land that they're going to get. But what's happening here is that instead of both parties going through this pathway and saying, if you break this covenant, made this happen to me. God alone goes through this pathway. And what he's saying is,

Abram, if you break this covenant, may this happen to me. And it did happen to him. It's foreshadowing of Christ taking on the penalty of us, Abram, breaking the covenant with God. And so it's a picture here of how God works in our decisions, even in our rebellion with his people, how God is ultimately going to be the one who pays the price for our violation of the

covenant. Well, let me show you something I discovered in here, Zay. You're going to love this. So when they came to the Jordan River, of course, so they send in the priest in the Ark of the Covenant and it's representative of the power of God. It's not the power of God in the presence because he's way, but you can't put him in a box. Inside the Ark of the Covenant was the tablets of the law. the rod of Aaron, you know, the staff, and manna.

All those were just reminders that God had been with them, you know. But he said this is representative of my presence. So they stand in the river. But it's interesting when the water heaps up on one end, it was at a town called Adam, which I thought was really interesting. I never noticed it before in the vicinity of Zarathan, while the water flowing down to the Sea of Araba, which is the Dead Sea.

And so the very thing we've talked about before and the idea that he does it in a town called Adam, which is the original man, and the idea of where relationship breaking came from. And then you see that that flow is cut off to death. So I made the point, God has always been about bringing us from death to life. And, Zach, we've talked about this on the podcast,

in this Jordan River that they're crossing, which is now at flood stage during this happening in Joshua 3, is near where Jesus was baptized and in that moment you saw the very presence of what we're talking about. You saw the preeminence of Yahweh. You saw the person of Yeshua Jesus. And then you also saw the Holy Spirit

who then lives in us. You saw all three present. Which I think we never say this, but it was when you even go back to the garden where Adam was, it was an an anointing of sorts because the water like liquid forms. somehow, you know, brought life and even God breathing into the nostrils.

So my point is, it's like when you read all these Old Testament prophecy, Psalms, Isaiah, you see this, you know, Christ means anointed one. Yeah. And it always has this kind of symbolism of water, oil, you know, connected to it. Yeah. And so then later we're called Christians, which, and it wasn't like we gave that name to ourselves.

I only mentioned three times in the Bible. Right. And it was given by somebody else. Because why? Because we're following the anointed one who anointed us. Right. And so when you see this picture in baptism of his baptism, it's always done from a prophecy view of this is going to,

to be a suffering servant. So I'm saying you have all these components of suffering, being anointed, new creation, or creation itself, life itself, him passing that on to us. And so I said

all that to say, because when you made this whole point about crossing over the Jordan, and it was a lot of history that you're good at remembering, and I'm terrible at it. But I was like, well, I know what this represents because even in John 5 when he

says in verse was it 24 I tell you the truth you'd have probably read this if you had thought but I thought of it in your sermon oh that's a good one yeah whoever hears my word and believes him who sent

me has eternal life and will not be condemned well here's this phrase he has crossed over from death to life Which is the shadow. I'll add that to this Sunday sermon, days. Good job.

Well, you know what I find interesting? Not to get too complicated. Because I looked up that the Greek word. I said, I wonder what the Greek word for that crossover. Yeah. And it's another meta. Oh, really? Metabino, I think.

Remember, somebody sent me a shirt because I did this whole thing about everybody got into the metaverse. Yeah. I just came across that shirt the other day. Whatever that means, but it's like everything is changing, you know, but it's a virtual reality, you know. But the Greek word for repentance is metanoia. Medanoia. Well, now this is another meta word, which means this crossover is a change that you, that is literally you're departing. To go back to what I described about, Phil.

Oh, it's biblical. Yeah. you literally die so that you can be raised and you're still actually living. That's why I tied that up with the baptism. It is an anointing, you know, in humility, even going back to the parting of the Red Sea. And I made a big deal of this when we referred to this, you know, in Moses' day. But remember, it's the most misunderstood verse in the Bible. they come to the cliff

and there's some concern because if you jump in a sea people are not supposed to live in extreme wilderness or extreme seas because it's not habitable for humans there's a reason we don't you know live in the middle of the sea I mean they tried to make a movie about it

with old Kevin Costor worst thing ever he tried to become a water man you know I kind of like that movie It was so ridiculous. We can't live there. It's a hidden gym. Let's give him some gills, you know.

I like that. Dumbest movie I've ever seen it all life. I like that. It has grown on me through the years. My point is that they were fearful because they knew they were going to die if they jump in the seat. They didn't know. We read the story.

I'm like, oh, yeah. And Moses is like, oh, I've got an idea. Just stand still and God will fight for you. that's plastered all over everywhere. And then God said, no, jump in the water. It doesn't say that exactly, but he's like, get in the water. I want you to give your life up. Are you going to trust me or not?

Remember, because this is based on a promise. Right. You're going to trust what I say? Jump in that sea. Yeah. Well, when they did and started walking, what happened? He parted the sea. Yeah.

So it's like you had to be willing to give your life. to trust him. And when you did, he provided a way. That's right. I mean, that's the narrative. That was the crossover. It was a death, the water parts,

which is this symbol of, you know, the anointing what I believe, because that language comes all the way through, even into the New Testament, where people who have been given the Spirit of Jesus, we're anointing other people with all. oil. It's not about the oil. It's not about all that. But we know that God is a God who transforms and change. When you read that first verse, what is transformation? Right. That's what's lacking in all

these Hollywood movies. Exactly. And so I think this is the perfect time to give you my report on a Wintzell Mission. Oh yeah. That's right. We got to get a movie review. But it fits in with what we're talking about. That's three hours of my life. I will never get that. Somehow I knew this was not going to end well. The same thing happened, the same narrative. First of all, the first 40 minutes was spent reviewing every other time they said it was a mission impossible that they pulled it off. I've already seen all that. Which tells me this is probably the last one for Tom Cruise because they were giving you all the old clips.

They teased that. Yeah. They teased that. That was their, and I hope I spoil this movie for you. because, oh my goodness. It's like, let's take every great thing about God that's in the Bible, and let's walk that line that Tom Cruise can pull it off. Oh, yeah.

Even at the end, look, it was a warm, fuzzy, in the spirit of feel, just do good and do good to other people. They gave a little sermon at the end. We pulled off the impossible. Once again. Yeah, so that's just. Let's just do good. We need the earth.

We have people. So just try to do something good. Oh, my goodness. It had nothing to do with Mission Impossible. It basically had to do with they lucked out and just got lucky that they had enough time to save the planet. Through a series of really lucky events. And that's what makes He pulled it off

Yeah He does In the nick of time That would have been a better name Not Mission Impossible In the nick of time We pushed a couple of buttons And we say the point

I don't really think you spoiled it James because I think I haven't seen it But I think all of us know They were going to pull it off One more time And I want to give Because I know people

Who like the movie Missy loved it And I was like A lot Everybody I've talked to Before you has loved it I was like You should be ashamed of yourself

Look It was a war against Tom Cruise and his team against AI and they called it the entity you know

so at the end you think okay they're going to destroy the entity no no no they just put it from a big box

to a little box that's it you know what that means it's if somebody finds this little box one day guess what done

I smell reboot and so then there was a I smell reboot with a younger actor because in his effort to save the world, he put his life at risk. And so then there's like three seconds of, did he make it?

You know, is there a resurrection fix to occur? It's a virtual resurrection because there's nothing in there about Jesus. So it's like he's headed down to the planet, you know, the earth's surface at a very rapid rate of speed. And then you're like, did he make it? That's the whole movie hinges on that. Will there be another one? Oh, yeah. It's coming.

What young actor will be the next time cruise? Will it be Timothy Chalemay or whatever? Yeah, they're trying to identify it for sure. So that's my review of the movie. The first 40 minutes, the movie was too long. Yeah. So if they had cut out the first 40 minutes, all the reviews. Because I literally fell asleep during that part.

woke back up but you weren't a huge fan of all the first movies so no wonder you fell in I mean I heard the cinema photography it's like super action packed but there's not a great plot from what I've heard I haven't gone to see it well there you go that's what I just said

well the subplot for me was because I mean look I don't want to start I don't do social media and all that so I don't want to start some kind of conspiracy but I'm pretty sure that time Cruz was wearing a wig I'm just throwing that out here. Someone, if I'm wrong, guess what?

Come get me on social media and I'll put my people on it. But I would say, that man was wearing a wig and I thought, you know what the subplot of this movie is? How long is this guy going to live? To do this. Because we're all, I don't care how much money you got and how famous you are. You may have some hair plugs and all that. I've noticed he's had a little work done.

Not a lot, but a little work does. But I'm saying how that transformation is trying to happen without the spirit of God. And I got news for you. It ain't going to happen. It ain't going to happen one of these days. Tom Cruise wants to keep going. He's got to do like all the other old stars and just start looking old and doing old parts. Be somebody's grandpa.

There's no shame in that. No. Lisa, tell me, she said, do you want to do you want to do something like, do you want me to put this on your hair? I said, babe, we're past all that. We're, what we got now is what we got. That's what we're going. Well, what I would appreciate more is like, yeah, I'll jump from a plane. I'll do my own stunt.

You know why? Because I got the Spirit of God. And if I die right here, of course, then someone would counter with the verse. Don't put the Lord God to the test. And that debate would be better than just saying, we're going to do this forever. We're going to save the planet forever. I just don't believe you're going to be able to pull it off. So we'll let you decide on that.

Let me give you the last point, Zach, because I'm going to save. I thought this was probably one of the better ones from the text and because running out of time from my sermon and how it relates over in this idea of crossover. And J's, I love that verse. It's so good. The last one was to show you there's always a dot, dot, dot, when you're reading the Old Testament.

Because you're reading those Old Testament passages, but they're all pointing to something still to come. So God's always going to leave an open door. And the open door in Joshua 3 is that you have the Ark of the Covenant, but he tells the people you can't get closer than a thousand yards to the ark of the covenant oh i love this point so you read so you read so you read that and you think a thousand yards so you think well that 10 football fields and still that didn't do it for me so you were thinking that you know what i was thinking what wiggily down under oh yeah the shot supposedly could shoot

i did think about shooting yeah a thousand yards which made him kind of a big deal right because you made the distance you made the illustration from where the church building we were, there's a little daily sandwich place. Yeah, daily press. That's a thousand yards away. You're like, if you showed up there to listen to my sermon, you're probably not going to get it. If I're going to miss it, unless you're watching it on. But I thought, well, if Quigley was shooting from that sandwich place to the church building.

You would think you were safe, you know, but, oh, you know. So it's over half a mile. And so my point was that that you, even in the moment, they could. couldn't, the presence of God, even a facsimile of the present of God, which is the Ark of the Covenant, you could not be with him. The distance was still too great. It wouldn't matter if it was 100 miles, which I thought, and today everybody thinks God's a million miles away. Right. And he's literally in us. It says it hundreds of times in the New Testament. That's right. And what was behind that Holy of Holies, it was the Ark of the Covenant,

it was the presence of God. I think that is the whole picture of the tabernacle, the temple, all of it is that the holy presence of God is not accessible because of the fall until fully until Jesus. And my point was that my drop the mic

moment, I felt like from me preaching the sermon, was he didn't just close the gap, he eliminated the gap. And that's why he left the earth. I mean, the whole idea of the ascension. And it was really interesting because I worship to believe in Perky that day made a point during his worship that I hadn't thought about.

We were 50 days after Easter, which was the day of Pentecost. Missy leaned over and said, what's he talking about? I was like, babe, the day of Pentecost after we celebrate Easter, that's the most forgotten thing. It is, because that's when the Holy Spirit showed up. I was wanting to raise my hand and pull aside and speak in your sermon. Because John 20 shows you this transformation. To go back to my point about the anointing and it's done through

suffering and then he passes that on to us. He literally did that at the resurrection. You remember when Mary came up and she grabbed a whole time of him and he used that term your father for the first time, but you can now be children of God again. I'm birthing a new humanity, a new creation. This is what you should be making a movie about. How God pull that off? So then they're all on the first day of the week because now this is the first day of the

new humanity. There is a new creation that has happened after the resurrection. He walks through the walls and says, shalom, you know, peace be with you. It's like, and even that word has more depth than I think we give it. We need to do a study on that. It's like your overall existence is all well. Right. And you're saying, how can that be? He showed his hands and his side, and the disciples were over joy because they saw the Lord. And he's like, once again, says, peace be with you. Your overall existence has been changed now. Because watch what he says.

As the father has sent me, I am sending you. I'm now passing this new life onto you. This is post-resurrection. And when he breathed on them, where does that go back? We're going back to the garden here. Right. He, breathing life into them as a new creation, received the Holy Spirit. I mean, I just think that's absolutely stunningly incredible.

How close is God to you now? Right. Post-resurrection of Jesus. No, that's so powerful. And that's exactly, Perky can't, he waited until the very end. He and I were the last two people there yesterday. And he said, dude, I brought that up. and I changed my last song because that impacted me,

and I had no idea where you were going, and you went there in your sermon. Because he's thinking, I was ever going to get to the Holy Spirit in Joshua 3, but it's there. He's everywhere. That's the point. But the confusion started because his first song was,

I got a mansion over the hilltop or whatever. And I'm like, where's that way off out? Well, he made the journey too. I'm like, we're housing the Holy Spirit of God. It's so weird you preach these sermons. The song needs to be, I am a mansion over the hilltop. Yeah, there you go. Come on.

I mean, what? We could change the words of it. I've seen Mount Mansion slide off into the ocean. Well, I'm glad I wasn't in it. You know what I mean? Yeah, we are the House of God. But you know, it's interesting, it's so interesting you brought that Genesis 15 as kind of the original prophecy of everything that happened in Exodus and what you mentioned in Joshua 3.

And it ties directly into John 8, because in John 8, you've got to remember that Jesus is having arguments with these Pharisees about their father, Abraham. Exactly. He says, what does he say? Your father, Abraham, rejoiced that he would see my day, and he saw it and was glad.

And the Jews are like, you're 50, you're not even 50 years old. How have you seen Abraham? Jesus said, truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am. And I thought about that Genesis 15 verse when it says, and after this, the word of Yahweh, the word of the Lord, came to Abram in a vision. And then he gives him all of this.

And if you go back and look at all the times at that phrase, the word of Yahweh, the word of the Lord is used in conversation with Abraham. And then Abraham, a lot of the early Jewish scholars believe that that, They would actually translate that, the logos of Yahweh, which is directly into John 1 when it says the word became flesh. The beginning was the word, logos. The word was with God. The word was God. So Jesus actually is the one.

The son of God is the one in these passages with Abram and Abraham, who's he's having these conversations. And so he did see Yahweh. He did see the word of Yahweh, the word of the Lord, in his day. And I think that's pretty exactly. And Hebrews 11 even says that. I mean, even when he was asked to pass the test, which was given up his son, even though God had said through your offspring, all nations would be blessed. And that became a shadow of what Jesus would do in the resurrection.

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