Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1120 | Jase Loses the Room with One Awkward Sentence

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

Jase, Zach, and Jill confront the two main reasons many people don’t trust Jesus, even though they might be a hard pill to swallow. Jase shares a chaotic moment from a teen camp where the crowd lost it over a talk about the birds and the bees, but went silent when he shifted to the resurrection. The guys explore John 10, Jesus’ claim to be both the door and the shepherd, and what it really means to live the abundant life now, not just in eternity. In this episode: John 10; John 11, verse 25; Matthew 28, verses 18–20; John 4, verse 26; John 9, verses 35–41; John 16, verses 7–11; Galatians 4, verse 19; Galatians 1, verse 8; 2 Peter 1, verses 3–4 —  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're back. The Unashamed podcast. Jill, you're still in the studio. Our studio, Jase, is by himself. Yeah, we got Missy for one because Al is out of pocket. So we'll pray for Al Lisa. They're getting a checkup down to New Orleans with Lisa's breast cancer surgery and all that stuff that revolved around that.

So it's just a routine checkup. So pray for good result for those guys. We'll find out for them. I'm sure everything went well because we haven't heard anything. But Al's out and he'll be back hopefully on the next podcast. I want to remind everybody real quick, this is the last day to sign up at heyjack.com to enter into the $500 traveled out your giveaway. So make sure you guys are doing that.

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So go sign up today and you guys check it out. So we're holding down the fort and we got a, we kind of a detour to John 11 last time. That was, yeah, it was good. I'd love to say one more thing about John 11th. I know we're in John 10. We're kind of going back. But there was something about John 11 that I just really wanted to hit on

because for obvious reasons is when he says in verse 25 of John 11, he says, I am the resurrection and the life. And I think about that whole scene and how he waited two days and all of the things, which I know you guys are going to talk about when you actually get there, but I just want to say this one thing because I thought it was so pretty, that for there to be a resurrection, there has to be a death. So Lazarus had to die for Jesus to resurrect him.

And yes, he could have healed him like he had many times before, but Jesus wanted him to die because he wanted to resurrect him from the dead. And y'all can expound on that. Well, I say you, Jason, we watched a movie last night that ties into this called Death of a Unicorn. Have you heard of it? I didn't think there were actually unicorns. Now, there's not.

It's the worst movie. Zach is no longer allowed to pick movies in our house. But the unicorn was raised from the dead. And in the movie, he was raised from the dead. I thought about your take on. Jason says that Hollywood, all the stories in Hollywood are just rip-offs of the Bible. No, they are. And they're usually just based on a lie.

Yeah. I'm not going to mention any specifically, but Mission Impossible comes to mind if you can go do it. I feel like you'll need to have Tom Cruise on the Unashamed podcast. Would he come on the Unashamed podcast? I think he might. Send him a text. He was certainly invited.

We can talk about Scientology, whatever. We're open to have any discussion you want to have. Well, I believe God is the ultimate scientist. No question about it. Yeah. But I do love what Jill said, though, about this idea of death, like necessarily preceding resurrection. It is kind of a, and it's emblematic of too, of what Jesus is going to ultimately do in the

book of John. He's headed to his death. Right, which is why he says, I am the resurrection. I am. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what's interesting. So I spoke last night out at camp.

They're having sportsmen's week. and I've spoken there before. They do this every year. So it's at Camp Chioca. All the kids that come in, it's geared around hunting, fishing. Well, they're outdoors. Anything outdoors. Yeah, and all these, they're 13 to 18-year-olds.

There's probably 100 of them there. I'm just guessing. But last night was the first time. I don't know if I've ever had this happen before. So when I got up to start speaking, I basically was kind of rambled on about the LSU encounter. Because I was making a point because I didn't have any notes. I'm like, I was going to do a duck call demonstration and introduce them to Jesus. And I like this age group.

So they asked me to come. So I said, yes. So I was going to make a point just off the top of my head about as excited. as I was that LSU won the national championship in baseball and that I was there to see it, which is just awesome. And as excited as I am to be able to hunt and fish, and I told like a couple duck hunting stories, you know, it's just excitement. I can't be any more excited, just giddy. Like, as excited at all that is, I said, that pales in comparison to the excitement I have over following Jesus Christ who was raised from the dead.

And I quoted, I was going to read Matthew 28, 18, through 20, but then at this stage of my life, I need glasses to read the Bible. And I realized I didn't have my glasses, so I just quoted it, and luckily I remembered it. But what's fascinating that you bring that up on the I.M. Immediately, because this wasn't planned, is when I quoted that verse and where Jesus said all authority on heaven and on earth has been given to me. And then I paused because I said, if you hadn't figured this out, you're on the earth.

And that's where humans live. But heaven is where God lives. But all authority has been given to this guy. So what kind of human would make that statement? And I said, either he's a maniac or crazy to say all authority in God's space and on man's space has been given to me. I said, he's either a maniac or a crazy, or he had just come back from the dead. And so, but as I started talking, and I finished reading the verse to finish your point about I am, because it says, therefore go make disciples of all nations,

baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit. I stopped and said, that's who I am. I'm a disciple of Jesus. I'm not a LSU baseball fan. I'm not a duck hunter. I'm not a preacher. I'm not a great speaker. I was going through the lay.

I said, if you ask me who I am in one blur, I'm following Jesus, the king because he was raised from the dead. But then he also says at the end of that, he says, and surely I am with you always to the very end of the age. And the point I'm making is there are seven famous I am statements that we all are familiar with. We actually did a series a couple years ago somewhere in the podcast archives. But the more I'm doing this podcast because we're reading the Bible so much, I realize that Jesus made those statements all over the place.

But it's done in a sentence format that doesn't particularly highlight the I am statement. Yeah. Yeah. Remember in John 4 where he has this encounter with the Samaritan woman? Mm-hmm. And he gets to the end, let me find it, verse 26. Because the woman had said in verse 25, I know that the Messiah called Christ, John put in parentheses, is coming.

And when he comes, he'll explain everything to us. Well, look what his response was. Jesus declared, I who speak to you am he. Well, you see the I am in there? Kind of like the Matthew 28. He wasn't just promising, you know, his presence. He threw in that I am. But that's all over the place in the God.

Gospels. You just don't really notice it. So I asked that crowd last night and at some point in the lesson because after I quoted that verse, I started just talking about why that I tried to do what's right. Because here's these 13, 18-year-olds, I asked that there were any 14-year-olds in the audience and about five of them raised their hand. So I said, well, when I was your age, that's when I gave my life, Jesus. So I said, that's why I'm here, because I wanted to introduce this one who claimed to be God and tell you about what he did. You know, God became a man. So, and so I told kind of the stories

about how I met my wife. And, well, when I started talking about my kind of my Jesus dating ministry, which is how I met my wife, I'd give him the speech or whatever, and I've shared that before. And I said I did that as a way to stay pure before I got married. So when I started talking about sex, two disruptions happened in the crowd. They got nervous? They were giggling, laughing, but to a point where it was so loud that I couldn't hear myself over them, I didn't know what was going on.

And so even the counselors that were there kept shushing the crowd because they were just being loud. But it just kept continuing. Well, then I thought, well, I guess this is some kind of spiritual warfare. So I just said, well, I introduced the resurrection. I got loud. I kind of went Phil style. I said, I just introduced you to the one who came back from the dead.

I said, and all of a sudden I started talking about sex and lifestyle. And I said, evidently, some guilty consciences have been, had a light shone on them. And you're incapable of paying attention. Because they were getting louder, giggling, it just wouldn't stop. So you're going old school. And so I got louder and louder. And finally I said, I'll tell you this, there will be nothing to giggle about right before your death happens. When you're fixing to die, it's imminent.

And then it got quiet. You grabbed their attention. Yeah, I mean, I didn't know what else to do. I was like, I've never had an audience. But it worked on. people. Oh, it worked. You could earn a pin drop for the next 30 minutes. I was only going to go 20 minutes, but after that, I thought, let me just go in detail about who Jesus is. And so I got lathered up. I mean, I really got lathered up because I thought it's one of the most disrespectful thing. I know the 13 to 18 year olds, but I'd never had that happen. Have you? Yeah, I've been in some difficult, tough crowd situations before. It's hard. Yeah. Yeah, Jill's been a few as well where it's hard to garner their attention. It's almost like you can feel a direct block.

There is a block. Yeah. That's what it felt like. You know. Yes, it is interesting. I've been in those situations before. And sometimes it's been those. I walk out and think, man, that was a dumpster fire.

And then it's weird that when I think that, almost always somebody will come up to me or I'll hear from someone that it penetrated in some particular way. so you just never know but but I was saying well I did think it was interesting Zach that after the message they said if anybody you know we did a little autograph signing because you got a man from their perspective

they thought I was going to talk about duck calls and fishing which I did at the end and I said as a reward for y'all gathering yourself and acting like responsible human beings yeah I will do my duck call demonstration which I did I taught them how to blow a duck call

and they did the autograph thing and everybody there lined up, even the ones that were causing some disruption. But I was going to say one other thing, Jill, about your point about I am. I actually asked them at some point in there, I said, what were the two phrases, because we had studied this on a podcast a couple weeks ago, that Jesus referred to himself as predominantly.

And I was shocked. The first response, I mean, this kid couldn't have been more. born 13 and 14, and he said, the son of man and the son of God. And I said, well, you got one of them right. And technically, you're right about being the son of God because he was showing that he was the son of God. But my question was, what did he refer to himself as? And the son of man was one phrase. And the other, which took five minutes longer because I had every other answer under the son.

And finally, a young girl said, I am. I said, that's it. And just look it up. I didn't read that somewhere. I mean, that's just from reading. But most people will answer, because I asked that same question in a gathering other night, and no one said the son of man. And they said a lot of other things.

Yeah, I was shocked this kid figured it out. But it's more than it is the predominant way that Jesus. He refers to himself. Yeah, that's how he identifies himself. Over a hundred times. I think it's in the gospel. I think it's 80 times. You said it was 80, but mine said 100, so.

I'd have to go ahead. But I think maybe they were weeding out the same verses like from Matthew to John where they said. Either way, it is how he prefers to identify himself. And I think it has everything to do with when you had mentioned the Great Commission or, you know, when Jesus said, all authority on heaven and earth has been given to me. Now, therefore, go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit. And I'll be with you to the end of the age. that whole moment when Jesus is claiming to have all authority,

but he doesn't say I have all authority. He says, it's been given to me. So, like, that is a direct high. That's why, so you think about Jesus' whole ministry, he refers himself as the son of man, which is the Daniel 7 figure, which you've said over and over again. We have, but, Zach, it's also the Genesis 315 figure. Yeah, yeah, it is.

He said, yeah, after the sin, What did what did God say? He said, from this woman and her offspring, well what? What is that? That is a son of man reference that whoever this son of this offspring would come up. The evil one in his offspring will bruise his heel, but he will crush your head. Yeah, I think the point is, it's not just that he's referencing the humanity of Christ. it's he's right the the son of man figure is the humanity of Christ with all authority and

dominion and power oh i agree so that's the daniel seven picture and so when you read that's one of the reasons why when we get to part 13 and we read it about the olivet discourse where jesus is basically telling everybody you know this temple structure's coming down we've made the case on this podcast it's not that is not a passage indicative of the end times it's the it's a passage indicative of the end of temple error. And one of the reasons why we think that referenced the son of man in there that he'll be coming on the clouds, that's Christ going before the ancient of days to receive authority,

dominion, and power, which he says he has after his resurrection at the end of Matthew, Matthew 28. So we know whatever is happening in the Daniel 7 passage or when that's going to happened. We know, based on what Jesus said in Matthew 28, that it had happened before that moment, because Jesus had claimed in that moment that he had the authority, that he had the dominion. He'd already received it. So the encounter of the Son of Man going before the ancient of days to receive the kingdom, it had to have already taken place before Christ addresses his disciples to go and make disciples of the nations. I think that's super important. And another thing I

would add is as Jill's statements on the I am the seven of them. Two of them are actually in the chapter that we're in right now, which is John 10, two of this, two of those, I am statements. I am the door and I am the shepherd. Yeah. Which is weird, right? Because you think, which one are you? Because he's like, you got to go through the gate. Well, he's the, I'm the door to the gate. Well, who's going to guide you through? The shepherd? Well, I am the shepherd. And you know what that makes me think of? It makes you think in the book of Hebrews. Because in the book of Hebrews, it's like Christ claims to be every part of the whole system. Like, on the temple, on the cornerstone on the temple,

I'm the ultimate sacrifice, which happens in the temple, and I'm the high priest who is the one who administrating the ultimate sacrifice. So he's high priest, he's the sacrifice, he's the temple structure itself. And so you start to get this picture that is Christ the center of the whole thing? Yeah, yeah.

Well, that's why I brought up in Revelation, where it says, he's as the lamb, he saw this vision in Revelation chapter 5. And it said every, every other being there, which had the 24 elders, which was kind of representative of humanity. And then you have the celestial beings, the cherubim. They all, it says, encircled the lamb. And I made the point, if he's the center of heaven, shouldn't he be the center of earth? Yeah, yeah. And, you know, shouldn't he be the center of the Bible, it's God revealing himself in human form, which is a very powerful motivation. Yeah, it's that same story of, yes, I'm raising you to life in eternity, but I'm raising you to life in the here and now today, too. Exactly. This is just not to go back to John 11, but to make that point, when Martha says, yes, I know he'll be raised up on the last day,

Jesus is thinking, no, I'm raising him up this day. Like, yes, he'll be raised up on the last day, but I'm raising him up this day. And that's his message over and over and over. Even in John 10, where we're at, where he's talking about the sheep, Noah's voice, and they follow him because they know him. It's into this life in the here and now, not just one day.

Because if this life didn't matter and the world's going to hell in a handbass, and I'm in this meat suit that I need to be delivered from one day, then why in the world did Jesus weep in John 11? Why would he weep? He wept because he's testifying that this earthly creation that he made matters, that our bodies matter. Now, yes, it's not the full fruition of it, which is the second coming, will be that,

but I think he's identifying himself as the central figure, which is what you see in John chapter 10. Because in John 10, the question is like, you know, like in postmodern culture, which is like relativistic, the relativistic world, everything's relative.

Truth is relative. You know, all roads lead to God. There's many, many ways. But Jesus doesn't seem to believe that and teach that. Because he's actually establishing himself as the only way. He says, truly, truly, I say to you,

this is in John 101, that he who does not enter the sheep full by the door, but climbs in by another way. That man is a thief and a robber. So what do you say is, like, you're not going to get, if you think that you're going to get into the presence of God, you're going to actually get into the inner life of God to some other way. You're going to climb over the gate.

He's like, no, no, no, you're actually a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. to him the gatekeeper opens. I think that goes back to what Jill said when in order to be raised, you've got to die. And I think that was what he was saying was because in their culture, they would actually, when they'd go to Jerusalem,

they would be a gate where you let in the lambs that were going to be sacrificed. And he was like, I am that gate. That doesn't mean as much to us unless you put it in that context. And, I mean, read your scholars. That's basically what everyone agrees. Even in John 5, I made this reference in another podcast.

When he healed the paralytic who had been paralyzed for 38 years, the place where they were at was called the sheep gate. I mean, do you think he's doing that by accident? And then five chapters later, he's like, I am the gate for the sheep. but and the fact that he was referred to as the lamb of God, but he's also referred to as the shepherd, really gives you the death and resurrection story in those two symbolic things. But he also told Peter at the end of John 21,

if you look at the Greek, he doesn't say feed my lambs, the Greek is, shepherd my sheep. Well, how is that possible? because he's going to give you his Holy Spirit, which you just breathed on them. And all the verses that talk about, you know, we have shepherds of the flock, even today in the church.

But we do that because we have his power in us. I mean, the bottom line is we're all sheep. Jesus became a sheep, but he ultimately triumphed over death, became a shepherd, gave us his spirit, so that the sheep could become shepherds of not only humanity, but, you know, flocks in the world. church itself. I mean, it's a death resurrection analogy. It's a death, yeah. What he's doing now.

It's a death, resurrection analogy, and also an invitation into really knowing the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. I love when he says, you know, the sheep know my boy, they know his voice. Well, how do you know someone? How do you know someone's voice? I mean, I think about if someone tries to prank call, you know, you used to try to prank call people and act like somebody else. Well, like, my son, Max, does that all the time. I think it's still going on, Jim. Yeah, it is. I'm like, I know your voice.

Like, I know you. I know your voice because I've spent time with you. We live together. We talk. Like, that's how you know someone. And, you know, I think about Jesus as this shepherd, you know, opening up the gate. We come in because we, we know. know his voice, it is this invitation into a life with him. Well, that's what he's... No, I agree. It's a

depiction of what Jesus is doing now. Well, what does he say here? He's so often, yes. Yeah, he has these two different pathways. Because he's also claiming he's the shepherd, but he's also the gate. And so his sheep will hear his voice, and they'll know him and they'll follow him, right? All who come before me, he says, are thieves and robbers. but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. But the thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.

I think that's one of the big things. If you think about, like, when you look at different philosophies or worldviews, I would classify all of them outside of Jesus are death works. In the end, at least to death works, because the thief comes to steal. and the only reason why a thief comes is to steal and to kill and destroy. But Jesus juxtaposes that when he says, but I came that they may have life and have it abundantly because I'm the good shepherd. And I love that because when Jill talked about that invitation,

it's an invitation into the good life. It's an invitation into the abundant life. It's an invitation into human flourishing. All the things that you think you want in life that we try to go chase and other things, It's like, no, it's the ultimate end of that. It's the good life. And I think if you look at that word good, the actual Greek word, I did a rabbit hole in this at some point,

it's like the word is more, and you can look it up and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's more of a beautiful picture. It's like I'm the beautiful sheriff. Like everything that I have set out for you is beautiful. on the other side is, you know, lies, deceit, stealing, and ultimately death, which is why this group of people who are religious leaders that he's actually talking to, they're in cahoots with the evil one. That's why you remember when John 8th when he's like, your father's the devil.

These people were claiming to believe in the same God. Yeah. But he's referring here to these religious leaders in the evil. past that have come in and they don't they're not representing the almighty god in a beautiful way it's just just the opposite so and that that's why i think it comes back to that where you started with this truth thing you know my translation you were saying truly truly but you know the niv translates that i tell you the truth which is mentioned i did a little look somewhere i think it's 44 times in the book of No, 22 times in John, 104 in the New Testament, where truth comes up.

And the only point I'm making is when I went to Israel a few years ago, one of the first things I saw, which was fascinating, was a shepherd out on the side of a hill, calling, literally audibly hollering at the sheep and those sheep running up to the sound of his voice. And I thought, oh, my goodness, this John 10's come to life here. Yeah. And you know why they're running up to his voice? Because they trust him. Yeah. Yeah. They know him.

There's a trust. And you know why they know him and trust him? Because he's been feeding them. Yeah, exactly. And been taking care of them. What's the biggest reason? If you had, I mean, if you think about this, what's the biggest hurdle of people submitting to Christ? I would say that they, it's one of two things.

one, they don't believe that he's powerful enough to actually take care of them. So maybe their view of God is that he's an incompetent shepherd. He doesn't have the ability to actually protect them. Or probably more commonly, as they don't think he's good. They don't actually think that he has their best interest and intentions in mind. And so at least my own battle with sin, when I fall into sin, when I'm essentially believing in the moment is that God's, prescription for this moment, it's actually not the best course of action for me. And so I think I

actually had a better way. Whatever God's told me to do is actually going to, it's going to in some way rob me of some kind of pleasure or joy or something. That's the lie I'm believing. That's just in the way of saying, I don't believe that he's good. And that's really kind of what sin is. Sin is just saying, God, I don't really actually believe that you're good. Or I don't believe you're powerful enough to do it. Or I don't trust you. I don't trust what you said. But why wouldn't you trust him?

You wouldn't trust him because you wouldn't believe that he is actually going to do something good for you in return. You wouldn't see the end of it as good. You don't think he's good. But that's the whole point. He's a good shepherd. Well, I think we struggle with believing that he's good because we know that we are not good. That's exactly.

You know, when I look into the depths of me, you know, yes, I have good qualities. Yes, there's days when I feel like, man, I was a great mom today, a great wife. But really and truly, I also know my terrible thoughts. I also know and am reminded of the ways and the things about me that, man, I wish he would change or, man, I wish he would redeem. And it's so hard for us because we don't have, you know, to wrap our mind around someone that is truly, fully good and does not have the entangled sin problem that we have. And he's not manipulating you. Like, I view the world with a very cynical lens. And some of this is because I'm in business and you're dealing with sharks all the time and you're constantly negotiating.

and it's like, and it's exhausting, right? And I tend to see people with a skeptical eye. A big reason why is because I know me. You know what I'm thinking. I'm strategized because I'm assuming. You know what it means to be human. I know what it means. Which is so fascinating that God became a human.

And then you have passages like Hebrews 4 that says he was tempted in every way just as we were, yet was without sin. and so he's not unable to sympathize with our weaknesses. I mean, he understands the weakness part of it, but he never sent, which is hard to just believe. That's a loud statement, though. I mean, he sympathized with us knowing our own manipulation, and he never became manipulative and cynical.

That's why he's the greatest shepherd, though, because he actually was a sheep, so he understands what we're going through. Yeah. But he didn't do something stupid, you know. That's what we call. We tend to justify the sins. Like, well, I just. Well, so kind of the best way I can think about it is like with my kids.

And now we're, I'm not going to say we're three for five yet because Bear is in the middle. He's 17. Or two for five on, I think, did a good job. Bear, we're still working on. You're beating yourself up here. I don't think you can go by that model when you're – because now I'm a little older than y'all. And so some of the statements – I mean, look, I'll just go ahead and say it because we had read on the podcast, and he was pretty – Look, I was a proud moment for me sitting there just listening to what he has become.

Oh, it's incredible. Because the first probably 25 years of my life, I said, ain't going to happen, you know. I thought y'all failed with Reed. I really did, but he turned out to be awesome. I mean, he's a... Well, people love him. I get random texts from random people all the time who meet Reed that I know. And they're like, whatever you did, you know, they just love him.

Love Reed. Love his wife, like just awesome. But I do want to say something because it's kind of like, not pet pee, but I found myself, I caught myself saying this. This has been years ago talking about our kids and I said something like the verdict's still out. Like we're still waiting to see. And you just said, I think we've got three of a. And really, I hate that. I was kidding. I know you were. But I do want to say this. I agree. I was uncomfortable too. It was a joke. No, I know that. But just listen where I'm going. The reason I don't like to even think,

well, the verdict's still out is because think about what you're saying. I'm waiting. waiting to see if my child reaches whatever measure I have of what I would consider to be good enough, you know, holy enough, whatever that is. And the reality is the verdict's still out on every single one of us. Like we, there is no arrival point. You're caught into a life of Christ. Well, that's what I, that's where I was going. I was going to read a verse that I think sums this up. Yeah. And it really the first time I thought about it was just a couple years ago because I thought, huh, well, I thought, aren't, because we tend to think, because I think our American culture is all about just getting people in. Yeah. And it's almost like,

then they're forgotten about. It's like, hang on and you might make it. I mean, it's just terrible. But, I mean, I'm not saying it's not important to get people in. I'm sharing these, I was doing it last night to young people. And I mean, I was basically giving them an altar call. But when I read this verse, because, you know, a lot of Paul's writings to, you see, you, sense his frustration with their, I mean, think Corinthians. I mean, he, the fact that he was calling them the church, it was shocking to me with all the things that was going on. I'm like, boy, God's given a lot of grace to these people.

I mean, they forgot the gospel. They had to be reminded of it, 1st, Corinthians 15. But in Galatians 4, you see a similar line. In 19, he says, my dear children, for who I am again, in the pains of child. old birth. When he starts off saying to the church in Galatia, so it's not like he's saying they hadn't got it, but he's like, I'm really in pain over your current condition because they were trying to add this nationalistic view of, you know, being a Jew to Christ saying, yeah,

it was like an add-on to Christ. You don't add anything on to Christ. I mean, so, but then it says, I am again in the past. pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you. And he was acknowledging that there's a process here. And he was being patient with him, even though he was very blunt. Because in the first chapter, he's like, if you preach a gospel other than the one I preach to you, you know, talking about who Jesus is and what he did, let him be, what does it say? Let him be eternally condemned.

That's Galatians 1-8. If we are an angel from heaven to preach a gospel other than the one he preached to you, let him be eternally condemned. So it wasn't like he wasn't being very forceful. Oh, that's blind. Yeah. But there is a process and there is a growth, and I think you plant the seed, you live the life, and they respond, but there is a growth process to this life in Christ. I think that was the point I was going to make about it before I said the thing I shouldn't have said. But my point was that what helps me relate to this idea of Jesus being the good shepherd is my relationship with my own kids.

And so I do have not perfect hindsight 2020, right? It's not perfect because I'm still simple. But I do have a better posture and vantage point of understanding the things are going through simply because I just know more and have more experience and have been through it. So I've had these, I've personally had failures. I've had moral failures in my life so I can tell my kids, don't do that. Or things that they think are like a really big deal. I'm like, I promise you, you think this is a big deal from your vantage point. But when you look back at this, when you're my age, you won't remember this moment.

These things that are capturing your imagination right now will be very, very small in your eyes if you remember them at all. And so you're leading your children and you're trying to form. them into a particular kind of person with all of this in mind. So some things might be like, hey, I think it would be better for your life if you don't play video games all the time. And instead, if you read a book, you know, like that's not, but in the moment, that's like, oh, you're killing. All my friends are playing video games or whatever.

Oh, it's the same process. Our friend, Fred lets us, our 14-year-old lets us know when every one of his friends get a phone because he still doesn't have a phone. And it's like he thinks that, oh, this is going to be. be the magic time when we're like, oh, that kid got a phone. All right, now you get to get one. No, no, we just got a phone. His parents got him. Of course, we always go. Really? Well, we are to get you one right now. Let's go. Right now. But I mean, like, he thinks that we're limiting his, his pleasure in life. What he doesn't realize is, and he will one day, that we're actually,

our counsel is actually an invitation for him to enjoy the abundant life. And that's what Christ is inviting us into. He's inviting us into the abundant life. And I wanted to read this scripture because you say, well, what is the abundant life? At the end, here's what the abundant life is. This is 2nd Peter chapter one, which you mentioned, I think, in the last

podcast, or two podcasts ago, Jase, when you did your Revelation dive. His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life. So, man, I want life. Well, here, listen to this. His divine power has granted

to us all things, all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises. I mean, whatever he's offering, it is absolutely amazing. So that through them, through what? The promises, you may become partakers of the divine nature. That's the invitation. The invitation is actually to be partakers of this inner life, this inner nature of God, having escaped because, honestly, the corruption of the world with the sinful desire. So he juxtaposes the good life with being a slave to your own sinful desires and the corruption of the world. He said, I'm calling you out of that. What I'm calling you into is

life and life abundant. But back to your point, and I want to bring this up, this was, I had this in John 9, and I didn't do it because I went on one of my deep dive rabbit holes, and I became confused and bewildered. 90% of the times when I go into the Greek and look at this and try to connect dots and all, it's just like awesome. But when I went here, and I want to explain it, because I want to see what your thoughts are. But the reason I'm bringing it up, I took it as a sign when you said this, when we had the conversation about why people don't trust Jesus,

and you said the two things, what did you say? You said they don't believe in him, that he's good, or beautiful. He's powerful enough or powerful enough or beautiful enough. Yeah, yeah. So, because I think what led to the illustration of John 10, him saying, I'm the gate and I'm the shepherd, and then there's a thief, and these, he was kind of lumping up the religious leaders who weren't recognizing Jesus as the,

the son of man or the son of God. So in John 9, I'm going to just tell you about my rabbit hole, and I want to bring this up, because I really think this is important. When he said in verse 35, Jesus heard that they had thrown him out. Remember, this is the man born blind. And when he found him, he said he gave that famous question that we spent three podcasts on.

Do you believe in the son of man? We spent three podcasts, what that means. Who is he, sir, the man? ask, tell me so that I may believe in him. Jesus said, you have now seen him. In fact, he is the one speaking with you. The man said, Lord, I believe, and he worshipped him. So, I mean, there's the big moment for his life, the light bulb moment.

But Jesus said, for judgment, he brings up the word judgment, I have come into this world. Because you've got to remember, this whole conversation happened because Jesus heard that the religious leaders had thrown this man out. he was being persecuted for what? For receiving a miracle from the Son of God. And so he said, for judgment, I have come into this world so that the blind will see and that those who see will become blind. So we obviously know who he's talking about. He's talking about people who claim to be godly who are not trusting in him.

So some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, what? Are we blind too? They got the point. They're like, you're talking to us? We're blind. So then he makes this really hard statement to wrap your head around, which is why I did a deep dive on the Greek here. Jesus said, if you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin.

But now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains. Now, I'm going to stop here and just tell you what my rabbit hole was. This is really funny. because when I saw those two words where he said guilty, that reminded me of John 16, and I'm going to read this, you're going to find this fascinating if you'll just stay with me. When I remembered John 16, verse 7 through 11, watch this. It says, but I tell you the truth, it is for your good that I am going away.

Unless I go away, the counselor will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, talking about the Holy Spirit, he will convict the world of guilt. Now, I don't know if y'all's, your translations have the word guilt in it, in these three places. It does.

It does it? None is sin. Okay. Well, well, concerning sin. Yeah, well, here's what's interesting. John 16? Yeah.

In John 16, 8, and then in John 941. The NIV, when I read it, it says, if you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin. But now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains. And then John 16. 8 says, when the... Well, here's what's funny.

My deep dive was I looked up this word guilt in the Greek. Well, guess what? It's not in the Greek. It's not there. In John 9, 41, so your translation got it right, because it's not there. But it confused me because I knew it was here in John 16. and I knew it was here in John 9. And I'm only making the point.

That's why it's hard to study the Bible a lot of times because you have so many different translations. And people who are translating it, they're thinking, I think this is the context of what he was saying. And they try to find an English word to sum up and they put it in there. But it's not there. The word guilt and the Greek word for guilt

to be translated in English word for it. It's nowhere in the text. It's not even here. Hinnitus. Mine says guilt in John 9, sin in John 16. Yeah. Well, it's not in either one. So if you read,

so what in John 9, yours doesn't have it, Jill? Will you read what yours says? Mine does have guilt in John 9. Yeah, if you were blind, you would have no guilt. Let me look up the King James version. I was saying, didn't we just talk about this from Mark,

the same Very similar But here in John It's interesting to me That he says But now that you say We see But as I think in Mark

It says But because you see Your guilt still remains And here he says Now that you say We see In other words These Pharisees

Claim to know the truth And all of this But they're missing The truth And that way Well, they missed Jesus. That is the point, which, here, I'm going to tie this in, even though I got hung up on the guilt thing, which is not there. So just, that is what it is, which is what I was saying, sometimes Jesus is hard to find.

So let me read it in the King James Version, John 941, because they got it right. Jesus said under them, if you were blind, you should have no sin. but now you say we see therefore your sin remains now it says ye instead of you but that's what it says well so let's just you know go from there what what is my point how come people don't see jesus because they actually were claiming to see but how can you see if you're not acknowledging jesus as the son of god and he basically was implying you've become a thief going back to john eight your father is the devil who's all about lying stealing and death and so in john 16 it actually works better without having this this guilt in there which is not in there because watch what he says

it really a light i had a light bulb moment on why people don't believe so if i go back and read john 16 7 it says i tell you the truth it is for your good that i go away unless i go the council will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment. So he has it in the three categories, and I really believe this is why people can't see, is my point. In regard to sin, because men don't believe in me, which is exactly what you said, Zach, because in him there is no sin. He actually, to go back to what you said, Jill, gives us the capacity since he died for our sins and was resurrected. It enables us, gives us the power to die to our sin.

So think about all those verses that says that. We are now, we can now, you know, Roman 6 says that, die to sin, which is a whole different category. Because in him there is no sin. and he died for our sins so that we could now die to our sins, be out from under that dominion of sin. And the same thing applies to the resurrection on the next part, but it comes through the spirits, because then it says in regard to sin because men do not believe in me.

In regard to righteousness, because I'm going to the Father. Well, that's how he started this. When he goes to the Father, what was he also going to do? He was going to send the counselor. So once you have God's spirit, you're now out from under the dominion of death. And not just that. Think about how easy it would be to live a righteous life. If everywhere you went, Jesus was right there with you.

Like literally, like if Jesus was everywhere I went, he was with me. I got the son of God, the son of man walking around. The sinless son of God. And his presence is right there. And so I'm in his presence, but he's like, but here, but look, I can only be in one place at one time because I'm actually incarnated into a body. But the spirit is the one that's doing this. The spirit's going to come and live in you. Exactly.

It highlights the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. I know we're almost out of time, so I just want to read this last part of it because here was my whole point. It's not that the Jewish leaders were just bad. They're in cahoots with the wrong dominion, which then in John 6th, And in regard to judgment, I mean, not 11, John 1611, because the prince of this world, speaking of the evil one, has now been judged. And some versions say, condemned. So that's why he brought up the judgment part to the Pharisees. He was implying, look who you're running with.

Go ahead, Jill. And I was just going to say, and who they were running. with was not going to bring about resurrection in their lives because this is what's so beautiful to me about the endowment of the Holy Spirit is that Jesus resurrects way more than bodies. Like in Jesus, he wants to resurrect your marriage, your life, your addiction, your relationships, your past traumas and hurts. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, there can be resurrection happening in your life. life every day. And I just think that's beautiful. And the resurrection, yeah, it comes after the

death, which is why Jesus said in John 10, that the reason the father loves me is because I lay down my life, that I may take it up again. Nobody takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and I have the authority to take it up again. This charge I received from my father. And that's the message that the Jews heard. And they start arguing like, this guy's got to be possessed by a demon. They're like, well, I don't know if he's like, what's going on. They cannot figure out what he's talking about. But he is laying out the very core of the gospel.

I think we're out of time here. So when we get back, I think Al will be back with us, Jay. So we'll see if we can, he mightn't clean up our mess. But I think that was pretty good. See you all next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube.

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