Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1132 | Jase Breaks Down Judas’ Freakout & How Phil’s Duck Calls Became Kingdom Work

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Jase, Al and Zach explore how using your unique gifts—like Phil’s duck calls—can glorify God and bring others to Christ. The guys focus on John 12, where Mary anoints Jesus’ feet with expensive perfume, letting her hair down in a shocking but heartfelt act of love, which sparks a greedy meltdown from Judas. Jase and Zach dive into a candid discussion about who’s really at fault when lust and immodesty collide, challenging believers to take responsibility for their own hearts and actions. In this episode: 1 Corinthians 15; John 10, verses 17–18; John 12, verses 1–11; Luke 7, verse 36 and following; Romans 1, 5, and 8; Ephesians 4; Philippians 3; James 4; Luke 19, verse 41 —  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed. We're just kind of gearing back up for this, for round six this week. We were having some technical difficulties and issues on the last podcast. But Jace took us down to another rabbit hole up appreciation. He did. All I can do is apologize.

And what was weird is we had technical difficulties the whole time. you left bewildered and confused, join the club, because we basically were having a conversation without being able to conversate. Look, what's going to happen is we have such a talented producer in young Maddie, who so many of you are so curious about that she will fix it so well that the audience will not even know. Fix it and post, as they say the business. And here's the good thing.

If she doesn't fix it, you'll never see it. it was just speak up. No, we'll see it because we're not going to be able to record again, so we're just going to put out the mess. Well, you said, I mean, Jay's got to the climax of his argument. Well, first of all, he brings up a super kind of controversial, which is great. Well, I didn't know it was controversial, Zach. Oh, it's controversial. And he does it in the last segment of a podcast.

Yeah, then I'm like, well, I got to say something like, hey, whoa, there may be a different opinion on that. But I didn't know because I didn't hear what you said at the end. So that got cut out. I was just saying basically that there's a lot going on at the cross and the resurrection. Yeah. Obviously. I mean, it's the way God chose to save the world as a human, becoming a human and doing that. And it really, I think, leads to where we're going in the book of John.

And so these are profound points. Well, it's even that little subtle phrase, somebody brought it up in the last podcast, it is finished, which is one of the things that Jesus said on the cross, which was prophesied, by the way, that he would say that. And so a lot of people took that to mean that that's it. I mean, that's all there is to it. Once that happened, that's the end of the plan of God with humanity. But it really wasn't at all.

In fact, in some ways it was just the beginning. That's a good point. It's the end of the payment. I think that's the thing. Like people, like, they're equating the end of the payment with the end of the whole, within the end of salvation. That's the big problem. And so what happened is with the Catholic Church, and we're talking like going back

pre-Reformation, they were selling indulgences, basically that you could purchase your way into the kingdom, like literally about how much money you had. And so Martin Luther, see, and along with others, see this gross distortion of the gospel. And so they rightly revolt against that. And he nails 95 Theses to the wall of the church of Wittenberg, which was the birth of the Reformation movement. And so reform theology comes out of this, which were all kind of reformed if you're a Protestant, really. But that's a bigger discussion. But I think when people get into this discussion about the finished work of Christ,

what they're trying to emphasize is that you don't. don't you don't pay for your salvation like nobody pays for that you don't earn your way you don't like level up you don't bootstrap yourself up that's not what's happening when you you know you don't earn it and so it's paid for by jesus so the idea of the finished work of christ is that it was finished when christ paid for it on the cross and that's true that's a hundred percent accurate 100% true. But if you can, if you just leave it at that, and then we don't talk about the resurrection of Jesus, then it's not the full picture of the gospel. That's why in 1st, Corinthians 15, when Paul says, this is the gospel, he said, what is he didn't say, the death of Jesus.

He says the death that he died for our sins according to the scriptures, that's in there, but that he's also buried and that he was resurrected on the third day, and then he appeared to a bunch of people, and then all these, he walked on the earth for 40 days post-resurrection, appeared to more than 500 people, most of whom are still alive at the time, that Paul wrote that he said, and then last he appeared to Paul as one abnormally born. So that's the gospel. It's not just the death. And I think that's what we're saying. Atonement is not only. Exactly. I think that's what the Bible says, because when you look at it, the reason I read the John 10, 17, and 18, where, you know, when Jesus said, I lay down my life, no one takes it from me, and only to take it up again.

And this is why the father loves being. He brings up that authority. I have the power to do this from God. I think it goes back to God creating humans. What did he do? He gave them authority, power to rule the fishes and the earth. So do the earth. And what did they do? They gave up that authority by not trusting God and enter the evil one who then usurps the authority bringing in death, which is very clear. 1 John 3, Jesus came to destroy him who had the power of death, you know, or destroy the work of the devil. Hebrews 2, 14, all these passages. And the Colossians 2 passage, where on the cross and the resurrection when you read Colossians 2,

he disarmed the powers. And when you look at that Greek word, stripped away, made a public spectacle of them. So you say, what's your point? God then has another human to take that authority and remake humanity. That's why he's called the Son of Man. God became a human.

And that power is then shown the right way by trusting in God, he destroyed the power of him who had over the death. He destroyed him who had the power of death, that is the evil one, but also redeemed those from sin, appease God's wrath toward sinful behavior. So all that happened. It's not just one part of it. It all came together through the death, barrel, and resurrection. And what is the result?

He freed us. He liberated us to then participate in his authority as our king. That's why he's described, and we're going to see this as we move into John 12. He's not only the humble servant man, the lamb that would be sacrificed, but he's also the king riding in on the donkey, which is a quote from Zachariah 9-9, which is now you're back to the lion and the lamb.

So that's my point. Why are we chopping that up, Zach? I told you. It's a propitiation. It's moved six times. We've chopped it up. And I'm like, it's the whole part of it that makes you run outside and say, yes, I'm free. Let's go to work.

Yeah, because I think here's what matters. Because if you grow up hearing, which I did, the gospel of only, I said the gospel of only atonement, maybe that's the way of say, I don't know if that's the way of. say, I don't know if that's the white race said or not, but God's mad at me, um, sins, sins, and then now I'm, he's not mad at me anymore. If that's my limited version of the gospel, then there's not a lot of power post that because then I'm, uh, what about now, right? Well, right. That's why I brought up the love. That, that, that, the overarching emphasis. Well, and the rich young ruler, you know, I mean, it, well, because, because he, because he, because he says in John 6 that he died, he gave his flesh. Actually, Christ gave his flesh for the life of the world.

So I just looked up about five verses here that I think I'll read that are helpful in seeing this. What God liberates you from is not just the penalty of sin, as I said earlier in a previous podcast. That is true. Which is awesome. And we'll talk about, yeah, which is, yes. But he also liberates you from the grip of it. So the problem with sin is that it's not just that it's a, it's not. because it's some kind of arbitrary violation against God. Sin, as you said earlier, I don't know if you called it sin, but it is the essence of sin, is what happened in the garden, which is to give away your God delegated authority and dominion to the idols. I mean, that is sin. And so by the definition of what sin is, is I'm actually not exercising what God gave me to exercise.

And you become an enemy in your mind. And so Colossians 1 says, once you were alienated in enemies in your mind because of your evil behavior, Romans 8.7, the mind is set, the mindset on flesh, it's hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law. Indeed, it cannot. This is the problem of sin. Romans 128, since they did not see it fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a debase. mind to do what ought not to be done. Ephesians 4, believers must no longer walk as the Gentiles do

in the futility of their thinking or their minds darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God. This is the nature of sin right here. Philippians 3, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their mind is set on earthy things. James 4. Friendship with the world means enmity with God. Therefore, whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes him sense. an enemy of God. And then lastly, Romans 5, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of the son. So what's happening is that Christ is liberating us from a debased mind. So the wrath of God, as it's pictured in Romans, at least, Romans chapter 1 and 2, is that God gave them over to do what not ought to be done. So what was the wrath of God in Romans 1 and 2?

God's saying, I'm going to give you to yourself. I'm going to let you to yourself. So then the grace of God would be the God's saying, I'm not going to live you to yourself. I'm going to draw you into my life that you can taste this. And I think that's super important because that we're never going to have a real gospel that liberates men and women from bondage and slavery and sin if it's only about being forgiven. It has to also be about the very nature of sin itself being defeated by Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that liberates us from our own bondage in our own mind. And then I would just add this one little caveat, but it's not just that.

Because we are morally guilty before a holy God. And it's easier for us to pontificate about these other concepts and disregard our own moral depravity, except when we're in times, like if you were like in the Holocaust, in Germany, in Auschwitz, and you're looking at pure evil. But you're looking at the Nazis. It was pure evil. And then it's a little bit more difficult to be like, oh, we're just enemies in our mind.

We're not really doing anything. No, you're an enemy in your mind and you're an enemy of God. And Christ reconciles us to himself and he reconciles us to ourselves so that now we can be one with God and participate in the kingdom life. I do think there's something to be said about the powers. Like when you said about, in our own sin, but when you deny that God is the true God, well, then that naturally leads you to be under some other power that's not God. And that's when the evil one comes in.

Now, that's a great point. Yeah, I think that's part of the narrative because that's why he- That's a huge point. You said it earlier. You said it earlier when you said, I forgot how you said it. It's something like we were given authority. Yeah, we were. And then we didn't, we didn't function and reflect God's image. But what do you do? But it's not just, you can't neglect your authority. All you can really do is either you can exercise the authority that God has delegated to you and your dominion. Or you can give it to the idols, which is the demonic realm, which is all the, So I think that's the picture.

It's like there's no in between, which is why sin is not like static, right? I don't know. If I'm looking at porn, for example, and then what does that mean? I've given, God gave me dominion over bisexual. He really did. What did he say do with it? Be fruitful and multiply. But what I can do as a man in 2025 or a woman, I can take that God-given delegated

dominion to be fruitful and multiply, and I can then turn that over to an, image on a screen. Yeah. And I give the power over to that idol, and then it has dominion and authority over me. Because the more you feed it and the more you give it, the more it takes. And what comes back is a more deranged, perverse, you know, terrible. I mean, everything gets worse. That's why I do your point about anything, any ideologies that come out, you notice it's always about death and destruction because, and I think that's why the New Testament writers, especially Paul, was so sensitive with those early churches when he was talking about idolatry because he was like, look, you don't realize what you're playing around with here. As believers in the

kingdom, we don't want to give one inch of what Christ has done for us back to this idolatrous idea. Well, exactly. That's why I keep bringing up the evil one, though. Then he's then looking at opportunity, usurping the authority, and becoming the ruler of the dead, that realm, which is why when Jesus died and was buried and resurrected, he became Lord and authority over not just the living, but and the dead. So which is why he says all those things, even though you die yet, sure you live, because now he has provided a way to take that authority back. That's why when he post death, death, brown resurrection, there's a couple

things. Just think about it. He said, all authority and heaven and on earth has been given to me. He also breathed onto his disciples in John 20 and 22, and they received the Holy Spirit. Well, what's that an image of?

A new humanity. Yeah. I mean, you can't say that doesn't mean something. We screwed it up. We went down the wrong road, the evil one takes over, uses death as a weapon. And then all of a sudden, post-resurrection, Jesus is breathing his spirit onto human beings again, which is the only time that's mentioned in the New Testament. But it reflects the first time man was made and given authority, what did he do?

He took dirt, and he breathed life into him. You can't read this without saying we're in new humanity, which my point is if you're just only looking at what happened on the cross, well, why are we here? We punched the ticket. He did it for us. We'll just come get us. Yeah. Why are we still here?

What are we doing here? Because he's given us the Holy Spirit of God and let's be the love of God being displayed just like Jesus, which is we're getting back into 1st John. And what we do matters here. And I think when you, this is the big transition, right? Now, when you see that, what we do here matters. And so what we don't do because what we do here matters is we don't all go hold up inside the church building and shut the doors and hunker down and cross our fingers and grin and bear it

to the end. What we actually do is we go out into the world, as Jesus said, all authority on heaven, earth, have been given to me. Now, you go out and make disciples of men. How do you do that? Well, one way you can do it is you can go out there if you have an idea, like maybe you want to make a duck call. And you say, I'm going to have a duck call business. And you make an invent a double-readed duck call.

And then you can build an entire business around that that think about what Phil did with a, what you think, what's a duck call. Why does it matter? Who cares, right? Who cares? No. Like, we care because like what he did through that business, what Phil did through Duck Commander was expanding. ending the kingdom of God. He used as God given dominion and authority that God gave him. He cultivated the earth. He chopped down cypress trees and turned him into duck calls. And then people came to the Lord through

that. And whatever that iteration is for you, that could be a doctor, a lawyer, a plumber, a trash man, whatever the thing it is. Like God has said, I want you to go cultivate the earth. And as you're cultivating it, what you're going to see if you do it in my name is you're going to be glory to me. and people are going to come to know my son Jesus. That's it. That's the picture. It's not hold up, retreat. You mentioned Parable of the Sower in the last podcast.

You grow where you're planted because every single person that's connected to Christ has an opportunity to help someone else find him. So let me reset the context on John 11 and 12, and let's move into the next chapter because we've been teasing at it. remember as you get to the last section, the fourth act is what I call it. Because the reason we spent so much time here is because this was the last big sign, so to speak, before the Passion Week starts. And that's why the resurrection of Lazarus is such a big deal,

because obviously we've been talking about it for quite a while. And we've also now pushed Jesus has the leadership to the point where they're ready to kill him. but not for the reason he came to give his life. And so that has to still be reconciled because there are other things that have to be done to fulfill scripture. And so Jesus is going to do this on his timetable. And so right at the very end, we're getting near. It says this. Here's verse 54 of chapter 11.

Jesus no longer moved about publicly among the Jews because now they're ready to arrest him and kill him, but he's not ready to give his life yet. Instead, he withdrew to a region near the desert to a village called Ephraim. I did a deep dive on Afrium. There's a lot of stuff that went on there in the past, by the way, where he stayed with his disciples. So he's withdrawn because he's not quite ready to give his life, but it's coming. And verse 55 says, when it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, which we know that's going to be go time. many went up from the country to Jerusalem for their ceremonial cleansing before the Passover.

They kept looking for Jesus, and as they stood in the temple area, they asked one another, what do you think? Isn't he coming to the feast at all? So, I mean, people are looking for him. But the chief priest and Pharisees had given orders that if anyone found out where Jesus was, he should report it so that he might arrest him. They might. arrest him. So that's the setting of where we're moving into. And then when we get to verse, I mean, chapter 12, John is going to now shift us into the last week. So Jesus is making the move to start. So that's kind of a big turn of the page in our study in John. And here's, and I'll read you the first few verses. And we'll talk about this first thing that happened.

This is pretty amazing too. Six days before the Passover. So we're in the last week. week now. Jesus arrives at Bethany. We've already established that that's just a couple of miles from Jerusalem, where Lazarus lived, and he raised him from the dead, and Jesus had raised from the dead. Here, a dinner was given in Jesus' honor, which is kind of a cool thing, because this is like, other than his time with the disciples that we're going to read about later, this was kind of the last kind of lighter moment for him before he goes into really just this amazing week. last week before his death on the cross. Martha served, and that's what she does,

while Lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him. So this is resurrected Lazarus. Then Mary, and we know she's the kind of dedicated one that Martha is always after, took a pint of pure nard and expensive perfume. She poured it on Jesus' feet and wiped his feet with her hair, which we've established before, that this would have been a very provocative thing to do in public. It just wouldn't have done this in their culture, yeah.

In their culture. You just, women didn't let their hair down, literally. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. But one of his disciples, Judas Ascaria, who was later to betray him, objective, why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages. And then John gives us a little, his own. opinion about Judas. He did not say this because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief.

As keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it. And I love that. That's so us that we know this about somebody, and he's just outing him, you know. Here's Jesus' response to Judas. Leave her alone. It was intended that she would save this perfume for the day of my burial. And then he says something. rather profound, you will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me. Meanwhile, and then here's the little commentary on where we are again culturally. Meanwhile, a large crowd of Jews found out that Jesus was there. So the word gets out, and they came not only because of him, but also to see Lazarus,

whom he had raised from the dead. So now the chief priests have expanded their hit list. They made plans to kill Lazarus as well. for on account of him, many of the Jews were going over to Jesus and putting their faith into it. So this is the first thing that happens. He's just outside. Bethany's going to be kind of his point or place of refuge during this last week of his life. He's going to go and teach every day in this Passover feast week,

and he's going to go back every night to this house. So that's kind of the setting when you're looking at. And I want to say, Jason, about this, because I kind of took my own little Jay's rabbit hole, when I read this story, because I was trying to sort of figure out and understand for a long time, I thought this had to be somehow connected to the woman that you read about in Luke 7, who also let her hair down and cried and wept in Jesus' feet, remember it, and poured perfume on him. And so for a while, I thought that's got to be the same story just told from two perspectives, but it's not. I'm convinced it's not.

Oh, it's not. It's two different things. But here's something I did that I realized taking a deeper dive at that. I realize that there are a lot of similarities in the two settings that I had missed before. Because in the other setting, Luke 7, this sinful woman it calls her in this town comes. She has a pass and everybody knows it. And so not only is it something like scandalous what she's doing, but then this Pharisee named Simon is sitting there,

and he has the same reaction in his heart that Judas has, who, by the way, was also a self-serving man, has in this moment when they see this pure love poured out. And I guess, Jay, maybe our discussion on love is what kind of locked me into this. There are people that will see the pure love of Christ, and they will not like it at all. Yeah. I don't know that they're threatened by it.

I don't know if it's just, you know, somebody needs to do something about it. I mean, the mindset of some people to see this pure love. And so Judas exercises it here. And I love the reaction. The reaction is, look, what she's doing is important. She's recognizing the why that I'm here. And she's pouring this out. And so I just love that Jesus recognizes pure acts of devotion from people, no matter what anybody else thinks.

Well, you had a, you had a, you had a. list of comparing the two stories. I think, didn't you put those in the notes? I did. I want you to go over because I want to add one, which I think is a bigger issue. So one of them was that you had two convicted hearts. You had the heart of the sinful woman in Luke 7 and the heart of Mary here, but you also had two corrupt hearts. You had Simon the Pharisee who had not practiced any of the hospitality things he was supposed to do by having Jesus in his home. And yet he was willing to convict this woman who was basically doing his job. And then in this case, you had a thief, Judas, who was going to betray Jesus and didn't

even care about the money except what he could serve for himself. You also had two savior serving women, these Mary and the woman, and two self-serving men. and then you had two uncomfortable settings because any time we see this much grace over it, it makes other people uncomfortable. That was another one I had. And then here was another one. The loop setting contrasts the cultural norms of hospitality,

but this one hits the cultural norms of generosity, which I think is interesting and worthy of a whole other discussion. And then finally, the loop setting highlights one desperate seeker, finding forgiveness, while John's setting highlights one dedicated seeker who recognizes that this prospect of forgiveness is really for all of humanity. In other words, I think the woman in Luke 7 only saw in what she wanted from Jesus for her.

She was so desperate she needed him to save her, whereas Mary sees this in a bigger way. And maybe it's because she saw him raise Lazarus. She recognizes that his death is for everybody. This is a big, big deal. Well, that's where I was going. I think we should read the Luke 7 passage, because what I'm going to say is very profound. Y'all can argue with me if you want to. But bring your Bible. Because there's one other connection that I think goes in with what we've been talking about the last six podcast. This is

Luke 736. Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him. So he went to the Pharisees house, reclined the table. A woman who had lived a sinful life. And when you go down the rabbit hole here, kind of the phrase they use for a prostitute. Yeah. In that town, learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee's house. She brought an alabaster jar of perfume, and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears.

Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them, and poured perfume on them. So get the setting. You got a woman prostitute, letting her hair down, kissing the feet, which I want to say something here. And I think the reason this made both groups of people uncomfortable, which is you have one group,

which are people in Jesus's inner circle who are having a celebration because one of their people in the inner circle just came back from the dead. Have you ever gone, have you ever been invited to one of those parties? Hey, we're going to have a party coming back from the dead party. Yeah.

Because our buddy is, But look, I want to be a part of that party. This is the greatest invite to a party. Just think. You get the little card that says, party, where, what? You know, occasion. Coming back from the dead celebration. That's literally what it was.

And I think I'm making a point of this because I don't think us as human beings 2,000 years later are really can envision the passion and violence. of that party. I mean, they're just staring at this guy. You know, they had to be thinking, like, when you stare at a fire and you're like, you know, your mind goes up, they're staring a guy who was dead. He's sitting here in the party.

It's just crazy. And then, you know, Mary kind of is like a, what are we doing here? This is getting, now all of a sudden, it went from being thrilling to awkward. But, but, so the reason I took that time out is because, this is uncomfortable, I think, because as men, I mean, there's three men having this discussion. It's just in our worldly, you know, nature that we live in, when you see a woman doing like this, we immediately go to something sexual because we're men. That's, you know, women, they're not thinking like men.

If you hadn't figured that out by now. They're not realizing these kind of acts, there's some men probably in the audience thinking, wait a minute she's letting she's kissing his feet this is she's letting her hair down this is the kind of stuff you do when you're in a bedroom alone and especially you know her lifestyle and that just shows you right there that this battle that we're up against because you can be in a church setting and i mean a group of people having a bible study singing songs and some new christian come in who's a woman who's dressed inappropriately and half the audience they're no longer talking about you know thinking about the resurrection of the dead. They're like, whoa, look at this woman. That's how easy it is for

your mind, Zach. You brought this up about your mind to get off. And I guarantee you it happens every Sunday and probably times a hundred. This is life. And that shows you how hard this is. So back to the story in Luke 7, verse 39. So when the Pharisee, whom by name, saw this, well he said to himself because most men would well if this man were a prophet he would know who's touching him and notice he's bringing out that phrase she's touching him and kissing him with her hair down this is inappropriate and what kind of woman she is she is a sinner jesus answered simon i have something to tell you tell me two men owed money to a certain money lender one owed 500 denari and the other 50 neither of them had the money

to pay him back so he canceled the debt to both know which of them will love him more simon said well i suppose one other bigger debt you have judged correctly then he turned toward the woman and said to simon this is a feel move he turned toward the woman and said to simon do you see this woman i came into your house you didn't give me water from my feet she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair you did not give me a a kiss, but this woman from the time I entered has not stopped kissing my feet. He's given it from a totally non-sexual perspective, because you know why? He's the greatest human that ever lived and he had no sin. He wasn't thinking what you're thinking when he saw this woman, sadly.

You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven, for she loved much. But he who has been, forgiven loves little. Then Jesus said to her, your sins are forgiven. The other guests began to say among themselves, who is this even forgive sins? Jesus said your faith has saved you. Go in peace. So what I wanted to bring up is in your character, in your comparison of the two stories. This is definitely a Jesus on the cross foreshadowing because he forgave her sins. But John 12, Mary, who does the same thing? Who's from a totally different perspective?

She's in the inner circle. These are his friends. She comes at it from a resurrection perspective because they're sitting there staring at a dead man that came back to life. And she concluded, oh no, this means for him to be glorified and have the power over death, he's going to have to die.

Now we're talking about a faith that's combined not only for our sins on the cross, which is why I think these two stories are in the Bible, yet different, yet the same. But she's saying, ooh, the resurrection gave the same response. And I think it connects the two stories like I was trying to connect the propitiation with the expiation and that same vibe. It's the entire process that provides true freedom that turns us into new creation, new humanity, spirit-filled people going out there shouting to the world. Hey, look how awesome the love of God is in Jesus. It's a forgiveness of sins. Look, it's a liberation from the grave. And also, Jays, I love it that Jesus recognized Mary assumed.

Now, the text doesn't tell us this, but because of Jesus says, it was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. Mary assumed because she was in the inner circle that she would be one of the people that would help prepare the body of Jesus whenever that day came. I don't think she knew it was going to be in a week. But what she does is instead of waiting for that day, she recognizes the bigness of the moment they're in right here and goes ahead and says, I'm going to give you this gift. now. We're not going to wait until you're actually have a dead body. We're going to give you this gift now just because I recognize how great you are. And I love the idea of that because what we know now from what happened is Nicodemus and of course Joseph of Arimathea, two guys who, you know, one who converts over out of being a Pharisee and the other guy is a rich guy who gives him the tomb.

They wind up being the one that actually take care of the body of Jesus when he does die. but Jesus recognizes the purity of this gift that you mentioned and he says leave her alone. She's doing this out of the dedication. Oh, I love that. I love that. Leave her alone. I love that leave. I do you do.

But look, how many times do we see the same thing happen where we're uncomfortable and it's a new Christian or whatever, like I just said? And here we are looking at what she's got on or the way she's being broken. I mean, and you got to remember Judas and the Pharisee were technically right. They could have taken this perfume and helped the poor. And I thought, man, God help us if our church building is full of people that are technically right and absolutely wrong in that assessment, you know. And I think it comes from the way we're viewing what God did for us.

We're trying to view everything from our, perspective what we would do in this situation. And he's like, well, here we're, I'm bringing up a philosophical, very righteous point. She should have given this money and we could have given it to the poor. And Jesus is saying they're looking at the bigger picture. You'll never be poor if you embrace me and understand what I've done through a cross and a resurrection and being exhausted. You're never going to be poor. It goes back to the rich young ruler. Why do you tell him to go sell everything you have? You start seeing a connection in this. That's why love is the greatest weapon. And I think it also, because you talked about the rich young ruler, a couple of podcasts back

when you were describing this idea about missing the idea of what Jesus was asking him, especially about the love part. And I think this moment helps clarify that tremendously because people have missed what Jesus was asking him. They focus in on the idea of him giving it up to love Christ instead of the idea, well, he should, he was his money, you know, he just had too much money. And that was the problem. And that's where you see this whole kind of current mindset that seems to be everywhere, that, you know, our only purpose on earth is to help poor people.

It's like, wait a minute. I mean, we certainly help our share of poor people, but our purpose is to introduce them to Christ because it doesn't matter how poor you are. Jesus didn't make any other point with that parable about Lazarus and the rich man. The idea is you don't want to miss salvation for what's happening on Earth. Well, and that's why I was trying to make these practical points about modesty and stuff. You know, look, I'm completely for modesty. We have Bible verses about that.

But I'm saying the greater problem is if someone is immodest or doing something that's uncomfortable, that doesn't mean that you have every right to lust at this one. You're supposed to look at this woman like Jesus did. You know how we think, though? Well, it wasn't my fault. Look at what she's got on. It's like, well, that's not forcing you to do that. You see that religious circles where they only focus on the modesty

and they want to blame that. The modesty is, the immodesty is on the, that burden is on the one who is being immodest. Thank you. Now, the lust, that's on the one who's lusting. Exactly. No one's causing the other. Like, you make your choice. That's why I always mentioned Joe 31. One, he says, I made a covenant with my eyes. He said the problem lies in me. And you recognize something. All of Jesus's teaching, he did a lot of teaching about what you look at and what you think about while you're looking at it. He never said anything about the other.

You know what's sad about this, Al, is I guarantee there have been preachers who got up and just preached on modesty with all hellfire and brimstone and the same preacher is addicted to pornography in his room by himself you know i mean look you're like oh well that could never happen are you kidding me what what's what seems to be the problem here and i think it's because you mix you miss the big picture i mean i've shared my story before i mean and it was nothing to do with my own performance whatsoever, but staying a virgin until I got married, which was very difficult, it only came from looking at women in the vein of Jesus's eyes. I mean, ultimately, there was a lot of things that happened and being on the offense, talking about Jesus, you know, in dating environments

and all this, but ultimately, you know, what led me to that was looking inside the woman, know, like Jesus, he was looking at their heart. And that's the only way you're going to be able to do it. I mean, it's impossible without that. Yeah. So we, Lisa and I do some teaching from Proverbs 31 and Job 31. And I make that point just when we're talking about this issue, because Job obviously brought it up. And this was an ancient man. They brought it up is that we have to make decisions about women or whatever the attraction is. And you're right. Is that a, someone's daughter, someone's mom, someone's sister?

And there's a lot of things she is before she becomes the object of your lust. And they're all God's daughters. And in these two stories, the women were the champions, the two women and the two men were idiots in God's eyes. And so, I mean, I think it's a small point, but she under, I think the idea of the death, Bell and resurrection and people realizing who Jesus is in these two cases is the bigger point. Well, and I think to your point about making the comparison was really good, because I think in the Luke story, a lot of people sitting around that table were kind of thinking what the Pharisee was,

and it was really more about this woman's past. And that's why the only person that brings it up in John 12 would be Judas because he's greedy, because Mary is, was an inner circle gal. I mean, she had right intentions. Every time we see her in context, she's so devoted to Jesus and his teachings that she didn't want to miss anything. And so she is totally aware of the moment and understanding of it. And I think that's such a good example for us. I mean, just to look exactly right. We need to be aware.

It was dealing with her past. And I think Mary was and Martha in that setting, it was thinking about the future. But even the woman when he forgave her sins, he said, go in peace. I mean, go. Now, you're ready to go do what? Spread this love that because they were convicted by the love God had for them in Jesus. And then they had an expression of love. And now it's, that's replicated in the world wherever you go. You think she's going to tell that story? Absolutely. you know, same thing with the woman called an adulter. You could use the same example.

The woman at the well. I like that he linked it to the idea of how much you see the bigger idea of how big Jesus is in your life. The more you have that capacity for other people. And we've talked about this, even in this context, about Dad. Zach brought it up about Dad in the Duck Hall business. we all know one of the motivating factors for dad was making up for lost time, as he would put it, because here's the way he would say it. Here's another segment for what would Phil say.

I spent the first 28 years of my life, which would actually not be all those years, but that's what he said, running with the evil one. And I decided I'd spend the rest of the time running with the godly and running with the Almighty. And so that's the, he viewed that. his change and what he accepted in Christ and what he recognized the goodness of the gospel, and it was so good, that he wanted to spend the rest of his years being all in on impacting people. And I don't know of anybody that did it any better, you know, that he did. And it still continues with us as we go forward. I mean, that, that legacy will keep going. But that's

really what it becomes all about, right? Well, when you move it outside, the building, yeah. Because the other way, I think it leads us to what they call a secular, sacred divide. So you put a line between what we consider secular. That's all the stuff you do in the world. And then everything's sacred. That's on the other side of that line. And they don't cross. So your church life is your church life. Whatever happened, that all happens in the building. That's your Sunday morning. That's all that. That's that stuff. But don't bring it over here. and so you get things like in college ministry we hear all the time like man i want to go into full-time ministry and i'm like if every one of you went into full-time ministry we would have no christians in

the workforce like like we need we need like this won't work you know well that's what i was that that the what stuck stuck out to me about this and i mean there's so many little practical applications all of a sudden you know in comparison to who jesus is and we're what he's going to do on the cross and the resurrection, and people connecting those dots, in this case, Mary, all of a sudden money doesn't matter. The fact that other people are looking at you as scandalous for letting your hair out, it didn't matter.

It didn't matter to her. These programs that, you know, Judas is bringing up, everything gets minimized when you're running it through the filter of what Jesus did as an expression of God's love for humanity. I mean, it puts it in the proper perspective, you know. So we just think about that. I mean, we all like money. I've had life without any money and life with money,

as Phil would say, life with money is way better. But she didn't care about how much this was worth because the bigger picture was so much in the forefront of her mind, she was like, oh, God's going to take care of me. He's just the dead for crying out of life. We're at a party with a dead man. Where's the best thing I got? Because I know this.

He's going to have to suffer and die. I mean, she made that connection. And I just think that can't be emphasized strongly enough. Plus, I like that she saved and was willing to sacrifice for Jesus. I mean, that was just very powerful. So we're almost out of time. Two things I want to mention. One is I mentioned this earlier.

on August 1st, if you're in the Cedar Falls, Iowa area, I'm going to be speaking at the Cedar Falls Iowa Bible conference. So I'm excited about that on that Friday night. And I wanted to mention this to y'all, this is a setup for the next podcast because the next thing is going to happen is really big. I mean, it's huge, and it was a fulfillment of prophecy, but we talk about a lot on this podcast. I know Zach does on not yet now, is that the, he, he's going to have this triumphal entry into Jerusalem, which is, in essence, a king coming from conquering is the setting, what it looks like. But he's actually coming to conquer, which is amazing. And I wanted to mention this and have you mulled over Unashamed Nation because I found this fascinating.

When I was reading the other gospel accounts of this arrival in Jerusalem, because all four of the gospels chronicle this moment because it's so big. as Matthew 21, then Mark 11. But the one in Luke 19, Luke tells us something that the others don't, including John's. And I just thought it was interesting because we just came off of these podcasts. We were trying to figure out why Jesus wept. And Jay's basically that's the conclusion is because he loves so much. The only other time you see Jesus weeping is in this same moment. And you get it from Luke, 1941.

as he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it. He just had this setting where he had wept over Lazarus and then raised him from the dead. And then he goes on to tell why. And I'll save that for the podcast. But I do think it's interesting that not very long after that, right in his last days coming into Jerusalem as a king, he weeps yet again.

And he's seeing something the rest of us are not seeing. And I think it's something that's going to happen about 40 years later. in the sense of why it's so critical that we don't miss Jesus. I mean, that's just so important. And he knew a lot of people were going to miss him. So we'll get into that next time. We have advanced. We are in John 12.

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