Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1139 | Miss Kay Makes Front Page for Being Alive & Jase Wonders If He’s Real Too

Episode Date: August 6, 2025

Jase’s admittedly tone-deficient acapella performance with Shane & Shane goes viral as Missy finally gives up trying to fix his singing. Miss Kay makes the front page of the local paper ahead of major international news just for being alive, leaving Jase, Al, and Zach questioning reality. The guys turn to John 13 to discuss Jesus washing His disciples’ feet, exploring the humility, servanthood, and love that define His kingdom. Check out Jase and Missy’s full acapella performance here: https://devo.theworshipinitiative.com/daily/2025-07-25! In this episode: John 12; John 13, verses 1–3; Philippians 2, verses 3–11; Matthew 6; John 9; Hebrews 10, verse 22; Titus 3, verse 5; Ephesians 5, verses 25–27; John 15 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We're back in our boxes is the way I like to say it. We were all together last week. We were. Now we're all apart. We're separate and apart. Does that make you sad, Zay? It does. I enjoyed seeing you guys. We had a lot going on last week. That was wild. Oh, my goodness. It felt like I was telling Maddie today. It was like hell week. for podcasting is I mean we had so many way to view it out yeah that's what I was thinking there we are in the word of God for crying out loud it's a military term Mattie gets that her dad was in

the military I would say it's heaven week every heaven week yes there you go well it felt like hell week for me because we were Zach and I working on a new project which were not quite ready to roll out yet but we can start letting folks know it's a so The podcast we're doing for Hillsdale College. And I thoroughly enjoyed it, Zach. It was a lot going on last week, but it was really. It was good. Well, actually, it's not a new podcast.

We're just going to be adding a fifth episode to Unashamed. And we're inviting kind of these younger guys. We got Christian Huff, Sadie's husband. And then we got John Luke came in. And, yeah, we're going to be doing a series on Genesis. and with Hillstale, which their content's incredible industry. So, yeah, we'll be kind of rolling that out over the next few weeks and letting you know how you guys can get access to that.

So it's, you all two, and then you have, or you just having the next generation, like different people? We'll probably have those two guys for the whole study of Genesis, because it's kind of like once you get into it, you kind of want to see it through because everything builds. It's kind of hard just to jump in, but it's like six lectures on kind of an overview of Genesis, which, I mean, it's very good. I mean, I was back in school mode. I'm online.

I'm taking exams. I felt like I was back in school, a 60-year-old owl. That's good. I did see that Jace, you were kind of viral. You had little, I saw some stuff about you on the Internet this week. I actually called you my son, Reed. There must have been some immaturity. See what I was saying about last week?

In the spirit of immaturity, you shouldn't be noticing things that are going viral on the internet. Well, I mean, they got you on video, or not video, but our friends at the worship initiative, the Shanes, you did a, you and Missy did a, you and Missy did a, a song with their Devo thing. And it popped up because I listened to it every morning. And so then I got to look at online. And there's, yeah, there's quite a bit, a little bit of buzz going on about some a cappella singing with Jason. Oh, we did it.

Look, I was nervous when I listened to this. And if you want to listen, I believe this is free. I mean, very few things in life are free. So they do a daily devotional. We actually had them on for the longtime listeners. and they talked about what they do. And what I like about these guys is we have a lot of people, you know, as guests from time to time.

But they will sing no matter what. You don't have to be in a studio. The first time they came in my house, they just sat down, guitars in hand, and started singing. And people just started gathering up. It was pretty incredible. I was. They sing to the Lord.

But I was kind of nervous about it because I guess in my weird mind, it's like, I've always noticed that, like, people like my wife and my son read who can sing. I mean, they were given a gift from God. They sing better than the average person, I guess. I realize part of Shane and Shane's drive is everyone has a voice. Yeah. But some voices, let's face it, are. easier on the ears.

And in my singing progression, I've noticed, because Missy, I mean, I've been married to this woman almost 35 years. We've been together, 38. And I realized, because she tried to teach, I'm like, teach me how to sing. And she said, your problem is not your voice. It's your ears, which I think that was

kind of a reference to other problems. our relationship. Yeah. You have a problem listening, hearing. If you can't hear yourself on the notes, you're going to have trouble singing. And I said all that to say, there's no place to hide when you're singing an acapella. And they have a song that I'm not sure the origin of the song we talk about it, which I can't remember, which is my point.

Yeah, you're kind of do talk about it. Yeah, we talk about it. But her mom, Mrs. Mom, wrote a part to that song. And all this acapella music, it comes from gathering around campfires and from camp and just the heritage of the church they were raised in. And so, you know, they just sing. And it's this four-part harmony song about love that my dad really loved. And when we filmed the episode for them, you know, Phil had just died.

and so that song was fresh on our minds and uh we sang it at his funeral yeah we also sang it one night when he was really maybe just days before uh he went on to be with the lord and it looked like he was not even aware of what was going on but after we sang that song you know he he gave a thumbs up out of the band that's very powerful because it's a four-part harmony it's like you've got but every every group has their own lines and that it all comes together. The blending of it is what makes it so beautiful.

I mean, if you grew up Church of Christ, if this was a meme, it would say, you know you grew up Church of Christ if you know you're part to this song. We sang this girl without because we grew up in a denomination where you didn't use instruments. A lot of that's changed now. Obviously, my kids do instrumental music and a lot of churches of Christ. Well, you bring that up, but they're all autonomous anyway. I mean, so it's hard to kind of put them in a box, in my opinion.

But so I was a little nervous about it because what I was going to say is through the years, they hang out. Like my wife, she's always hanging out at any kind of worship setting. I mean, she's just, that's where she hangs out. You look up and it seems easy from my viewpoint because they do all this practice, and then they go out there and it's just like, wow. and she's not, you know, hard to track because anytime there's worship around, she's just involved. And I love it. I mean, I feel like I got a front row seat to this. So all of a sudden,

you know, and I'm in, I'm more hanging out in the Bible studies. I mean, I have Bible studies going on on a daily basis, whether by phone or a conversation, that's where I hang out. If you see a group of people when you pass by and I'm standing in a crowd, ahead and make that connection. There's probably some kind of Bible study going on. And so, which I don't know is fresh on my mind because my daughter is taking this kind of internship into the counseling world and psychology world, I guess, at a pretty deep level with one of my good friends who loves Jesus. And it was interesting. She just did a podcast for focus on the family. I'm not sure when that comes out, but she literally just did it. And they asked her a

question like, what do you go to your mom for and what do you go to your dad for? Well, her answer was quite interesting. She's like, well, if I'm having a bad day or whatever, you know, I'll call my mom. Of course, talk to my mom every day. And, you know, she usually gives me that kind of, you know, pick it up and let's go with kind of the tough. love. And she's like, but if I want to get into something deep and I have two hours to spare, I'll call my dad. You better have time to spare, right? You know what? Our podcast listeners are completely. Everybody's like, yep, I get that. Then she goes into this rant about all her friends. There's like a joke behind the scenes that

when you walk into this house, they tell each other, be prepared. for a two-hour lecture about this deep spiritual things of the Bible and life. So they're, you know, I found it kind of funny. So anyway, we were nervous about listening to it because we were not in a studio. We're all these great singers. Shane and Shane, they had never heard of the song. And it's called The Greatest Commands, Love One Another. and Missy was in the kind of the choir director seat,

which was making it awkward because she kept chastising them. They were playing their guitars trying to get the notes. And she was like, hey, put the guitar down and listen, listen. She went full-fledged choir teacher on. She was a choir teacher. She was because you basically have 15 minutes to pull this off without any kind of organization other than we're just doing this live pretty much. I mean, I get it.

They're taping it. But, I mean, we sang the song, and that was it. What you hear in the Devo is what happened. It was like, oh, that was terrible. Let's do it again. No, it just, we did it. It was a one-take wonder, right? Pretty much, yeah.

And I was shocked at how well it sounded and how well it came together. It was, I would say, downright movie. And so I'm wanting to talk about it because I, I, I feel like there's a connection with my dad there. There's kind of a reset. And we're in John 13. We're talking about love, which Jesus is fixed to wash the disciples' feet. He's literally passing down who he is to what humans can be in him.

Yeah. So I want to tell people, I just pull this up. I'm going to send it because if you want to hear Jay sing him, solid bass note, I might add. Chase, you have like a whole, if you want to hear Jay sing. I posted a clip that I called on Instagram with us singing with Shane and Shane,

but you're like mouthing the words. You thought they'd turn the mic now. I don't know. But you actually hear Jace on this. Say what you'll do is I'll put the, I'll have Maddie. You can put the link in the show notes. And then once you sign up,

it's free to sign up. I'm sitting here looking on it. You got to scroll back to Friday. July the 25th. It's titled The Greatest Commands, and you could go back and listen to it on the, I'm not sure how long to stay on there. Well, I'm trying to create interest,

because I just want you to know for our listeners. Like what my wife and chain and chain and what we did there, this is what these people do on a daily basis. And I just think it's fascinating that. You just stepped into their world for a minute, but they do it all the time. They came in here and they sang a song just off the top of their head. They didn't even know the song, and that was the result.

And I just don't know how you can't see that as an evidence of God in some way. It is truly fascinating. And the fact that it was done acapella, and they had someone who struggles with having the ears to do it. But I'm sure the couple of off notes you'll hear in there, it was me. but it doesn't matter. It was very moving and power. I was glad to be a part of it.

I don't know that I said this on the podcast because you guys did our podcast on our podcast, and Shane with Shane and I wasn't on the podcast, but I was on the next one. And so I zoomed in like I would normally do, but y'all were still going. So I was able,

Maddie just had me muted until that cleared out when we started our podcast. But I heard them do Jesus paid at all, just with maybe just a little bit of guitar, but it was mostly vocals. And I was just, I had chills just sitting listening to it, you know, as you guys were doing it. So it's, you know, you're right, Jays, worship is such a big part of everything. It should be, you know. Oh, it is. I've got a book idea. I don't know if it'll ever get off the ground, but it's, man, the Bible is so full of, and worship in places you don't expect it is kind of. Yeah.

Well, one other thing on the viral note, I sent you all a picture because here's how I know if something's going viral. I went to Walgreens. I was getting something for my wife. And as I was walking out, they have a newspaper. Hang on, hey, back up. So you were at Walgreens getting something for your wife. You were just picking something up or you went there to buy her a gift? No, she was in the vehicle with me.

That's a good clarification, Al. Well, I made me laugh because it's like, you know, I want to get something special for my bride. I had stopped at Dollar General. Couldn't find anything there. So now I went to Walgreens to step it up or not. Oh, yeah. No, she's in the vehicle and she was on the phone. So I was like, are we getting, are we going in?

Or I was like, you only just wait here? And she's like, will you get this for me? So she was busy. So I'll go in there, get whatever I got to get. I'm walking out and you know how you just kind of notice something weird? And what I noticed is there's a big huge rack, like the size of a door. I mean, eight feet high and probably four feet wide in its newspapers. And I thought, are we still selling these?

I was not aware that they were still for sale. Because you don't have the machines anymore outside. like they used to have. Now get this. This story gets better. I look about middle rack. And on the front page, front page. Not like deep back in the middle of nowhere.

I'm scrolling to find the picture. You sent me the picture. And it's our local newspaper. It says, I mean, the news star and the front page in big bold letters. the biggest story of this paper for the day are Duck Dynasty, in quotation, are Duck Dynasty stars still alive? Wow.

You can't make this up. Wow. Look, I mean, in smaller print right above, it's like Trump, Putin, Bromance has soured. No, that's the smaller print to the side. Not yet a recession analyst say. But in bold and Al, it's a picture of you and my mom. So I get, you know, I took it to mean there must be rumors about my mom or Al.

And I didn't buy it because I thought, well, I'm not. I know they're still alive. But I actually took a picture. so then Al sent me a text saying, why didn't you buy that? Yeah. And I thought, well, maybe I should, so I can read around my thumb because I have my thumb on part of the article, so I can't read that part.

But it basically says, don't believe everything you see on the Internet, Robertson Family says. And I thought, that's the front, there's not a lot going on around it. I wonder why the news is in the death rows of a dues organization. I think I know why now. That's a local paper there. That's, I mean, I just thought that was fascinating. It was because there has been a huge, and I'm assuming it's AI driven,

and we've mentioned it on here a couple of times, is one of the reasons why mom and I went on the dog call room was to prove we were still alive. Al, AI gets their information from other people. Yeah, I know. Or not other people because they're not a person. I don't know about that because I saw an AI generated. Well, I saw an AI generated. picture of Phil Toby Keith, Hulk Hogan, and Ozzy Osborne,

off cooking burgers with Jesus. Well, not videos. I didn't say videos. I said information. Like, if you ask AI a biblical question, what I find fascinating is most of the times and keyword most, they pretty well give you all the, the main views, which they're getting it from other people, but they're staying away from the fringes.

So it's actually not a bad, I think, way to kind of see what's out there on things that have more than... But here's what gets me, Jase, because I've seen them if you and miss you, too. But there's thousands of pictures, real pictures of us on the Internet. So it'd be pretty easy to have a real picture. The pictures are not even of me. They're of a person that. sort of looks like me.

I mean, it's familiar, but it's not me, and it's obviously not me. And so, and it'll be a picture of mom that's not mom. You know, she's on a machine, but it's not her. Well, that's my point, though. You shouldn't believe things that you're reading on the internet. That's what I'm trying to say. And it's not about you. People, I think, are led around by, oh, let me, because they'll actually pay you for it

if you get enough views. So people, that's their business model. It's clickmate. Yeah, you're trying to get out there. But the downside of that is you're making it about you, which is now we're going back to the garden. And when Adam and Eve made it about them, sin and death entered the world. I'm just saying that's a bad model for success. I agree.

Not going to work. No, it's not at all. So there you go. Anyway. All right, you're ready to get back to the book of John? I cannot wait. I think we're at a pivotal. moment here. So good.

This is this, we've been saying that this transition we're entering into, which is basically the last week that Jesus, before he died and was resurrected, is so pivotal to everything. So it's just, everything in here is just rich. I don't know about, I can't read one verse without them want to dive and do a whole deep dive into something else. But we're, we're about to get into John 13. I want to do a quick review of chapter 12, because it leads up to, remember, we said this was the Passion Week starts with this dinner that they had over at Martha, Mary, and Lazarus house. And it was part of it was to honor Jesus. And then part of it was to honor that, you know, Lazarus was back from the dead, which is a big deal. And so that kind of kicks this thing

off. And while they're there, Mary has this sort of similar moment to the woman that we read about back in Luke seven where she has saved this expensive perfume for his burial. And she's kind of just since it's a great occasion, I guess, decided to go ahead and break it out then. And Jesus loves it because he's like, she gets it because I'm fixing to die. So this becomes his point to talk about it. It was kind of like an Abraham moment. She deduced that Jesus is fixed to die for the world.

And I think she really read between the lines better than anybody. the said the right things, but I'm not sure she got it. But Mary, I think, got it, that, like, Jesus is going to die and be raised. That's what he's been saying. Well, he loved them, but, I mean, they both just, it shows you the different personalities and the different stages of growth and discernment, I think, also. Yeah. And you've got to figure Lazarus got it, too, or at least to some degree that you could come back. Well, once he came back from the dead, I'm pretty sure he got it. I would hope so. He got it. He got to. He got it. the memo then.

Well, I mean, you hear stories all the time about people coming back like on an operating table or whatever, but you don't hear too many four days in the ground and then come back. It just shows you, too, about how these devices are listening to you because when I turn on my TV, they recommend like things for you to watch. But, you know, you don't have to click. It's like you'll have all your apps, but then they'll have like little screens. and they're like, oh, this is out. And one of the movie, I think it was a movie,

but it might have been a series. It said the Lazarus Project. And I thought, well, because we had been talking about Lazarus. Oh, yeah. And I thought, this machine is literally listening to what I'm saying. So I thought, oh, it must be about the resurrection of Jesus. But when I clicked on it and looked, I didn't click on the show. I looked it up online.

And it was rated R, so I didn't want to be. watch it. It looked like it had nothing to do with Jesus. I just thought, what is going on here? And it was like made three years ago. It wasn't like new, you know. But that also shows you, Jase, and we've talked about this a lot on the podcast, how that biblical things carry cultural connotation. Because the word Lazarus, when you hear that, most people, even if they're not believers, associate that with something coming back to life. Oh, no, you're right.

And it was the theme, because I wanted, I was then interested in, okay, what did they make a movie about? And it was the same deal about like Groundhog Day where this guy's, he can't die. He's like stuck in a day and he's going back in time and all these things that are so fascinating to Hollywood to make movies out of.

And I'm like, yep, all you got to do is get in Jesus and it's a reality. It is. The Bible, Zach, did we not say this how many times when we were doing

this Genesis study we've been doing it? I mean, the Bible just sets forth every narrative. And then all the imagination comes from the original ideas. It's incredible how it work.

Because we were made the image of God. Yeah, it's kind of like keeps repeating. It's like a pattern of repetition or I think the word is typology where it's just over and over and over. You see it and it plays out and this big full thing at the end.

Yeah. It's like, oh, that's what was going on. on the whole time. All right. So back to John 12. So we had the dinner.

And then we have, because that puts him in proximity because Bethany, remember, is where they live. Yeah. So that's just outside the city. And so he's right there. And it's about to go down. And so he goes into the city with this triumphal entry we talked about in 12, 12 through 19. And we know this was the king's arrival. And we spent quite a bit of time talking about that and what that means in terms of kingdom related.

and what his purpose was, which he then states in verses 20 through 36. And he's been talking about it sort of cryptically, I think, up into this point. But now he just clearly says, here's what's going to happen. And of course, you know, the disciples are having a hard time with that, as you can imagine, because they've all got this, like, wrong view of exactly what's going to go down. They're thinking, takeover, Messiah instead of giving and then coming back. back to life, so they're not quite getting it. And then the last section, which we just completed, and really is so rich, because I feel like this is sort of John's editorial finale. You know,

he kind of gives this last, you know, point of this is the purpose of all of it. You have to make a decision whether you want to believe or not believe. And so he goes into all the ones who obviously are not believing at all, and that's going to be the bulk of them, which, by the way, is why Jesus cried. He wept when he came into Jerusalem because he saw their future. And it wasn't good. Most of them were going to be destroyed in the city, you know, 40 years after he left. And so you have a choice.

You can believe or not believe. And the real choice is going to be put out there in a very short period of time once he's raised and leaves because of the day of Pentecost and the apostles. everything we studied and act. So that sort of sets us for going in. And Jay's, your point that you made way back in John 1, that the themes of John and first, second, third John, by the way, are the ideas of light, life, and love. And that kind of is a central three themes, I think, throughout the whole, all of John's writing. And so he hits two of those firmly in this last section. And I think he's setting up to go into the love portion.

when you get to chapter 13. Well, I'll correct you. I said it was the DNA of God. I mean, think when you leave your DNA, which is bad if it's at a crime scene. I mean, because they view that, which God wrote the code. I've done many talks about that before. This unique code that we all have, this that links specifically to you. So I called it God's DNA, light.

life, and love. So wherever you go, when you see those three qualities, you'll find God. And even in your notes in the summary, I love the part from John 12 where Jesus ends up saying he is one with the father. And belief in one is belief in the other, which is what he kept claiming. And I like how you simplified that. Some people believe that and some don't. It doesn't go any further from there.

That's it. Yeah. So we're going to see that theme play out in John 13. Yeah. And it's, I call this next section the love personified in Jesus because he kept, you know, John keeps going back to the person, Jesus, you know, this. And that's why this son of man thing was so pivotal that we got into in the last two or three chapters. and sigh couldn't get off of it when he was on the podcast because it is so crucial to understand

Jesus, the person of who Jesus is and that he's got in flesh. And so that theme is just so rich now heading into this next chapter because I think it's the most personal touching. The whole time I was reading it, because I was thinking about foot washing in general because he's going to wash their feet. And we know culturally how important it was, especially the first century, because everybody walked around in the dust. And so, like, your feet are dirty all the time. You know, you got sandals or thongs or, you know, the things they're wearing.

And so their feet are dirty. And so, you know, you had to wash your feet because you come in from walking. And that became this whole cultural idea of servanthood and this idea that that's how you were treated, you know, when you walked into someone's home. some people now like you take your shoes off but so in our culture in the 21st century you know people don't walk anywhere and they have shoes on and so that you know it's just different the need is different but the idea of the personal nature is because i don't know about y'all but i don't like people mess with my feet and it's just it just goes again it's just like this you don't anybody touching your feet there's just something about it and yet this intimate moment that's going to happen

and that the Son of God is doing it is huge. And it made me think about the only experience I've had that's similar to this in my mind was when Lisa had surgery with the breast cancer. And then she had these drain tubes. And I mentioned it on the podcast in the past. But, you know, I had to help clean those multiple times a day. And so you understand servanthood in a different way when you're serving somebody at a level like that. that basically they're just, their hands are out and they're totally dependent on you to do something.

And I felt like for the first time I served her in an intimate way that I've never done in our marriage before. And so to me, that's the closest thing I can relate to this idea to serve another person like Jesus is about to do to the disciples. So, I mean, it's a very touching, moving moment to me. I think it mirrors Philippians too. it's five through 11 11 yeah on why Jesus came why God became a human and you know it talks about the beginning of that chapter says you know do nothing out of vain conceit but consider others better than yourselves and I mean all these things that are very difficult for people to do and which by the way you only find this on our planet in the entire universe where there are people who are actually doing these kinds of things

I mean just just think about how powerful that is Philippians 2 verse 3 do nothing out of selfish ambition or vancete but in humility which is the key word you consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interest, but also to the interest of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus, which is what we're really going to see in John 13. That's a bumper sticker statement, Jay. Being in the form of God, the very nature of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing taking the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness because that's what the people who washed people's feet were generally servants yeah

and so here comes the king riding on a donkey riding on a donkey which is another act of humility and he's going to do this that that's why peter had such a problem with it but to finish uh reading philippians too and being found in appearance as a man he humbled himself and and became obedient to death, even death on a cross, which is a sign, this humility, was assigned to them on what he was eventually going to do on the cross. And verse three kind of of chapter 13 kind of previews that. And it's became one of my favorite verses.

Before we read that, I want to do this thing about, because if we read the verses, there's this thing about the time had come. He knew the time had come. Do you want to do that? Yeah, yeah. So let me read the first three verses. How about that?

So John 13, 1 through 3, it was just before the Passover feast. Jesus, well, before I keep reading, every time you see one of these festivals, at this point in the book of John, you are to realize that he's saying, I'm the fulfillment of that. Whatever it is. They've happened over and over and over again through the book of John. And he is because he's going to be our Passover lamb. And for the Jews, they understood it more clearly.

Same with the Hanukkah and the temple. Every one of those we've seen, he comes in. It's like, this is me. I'm the guy. He's doing this on purpose. It's why he chose this time, which I think is fascinating. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father, which is another thought-provoking statement.

He's going to leave this world and go to the Father. So that whole process of what's fixed to happen is really what God came here to do. It's not just the cross is my point. It's the cross. It's the resurrection. It's the showing his hands and feet given proof of the resurrection, breathing on them, passing them, passing the spirit on to them, telling them, go make disciples of all nations the charge. Then he ascends to the right hand of God.

Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love. Verse two. The evening meal was being served and the devil had already prompted Judas Ascariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus. Jesus knew that the father, now, this next phrase, I'm reading now the NIV, is improperly translated in my opinion. Because mine says, has put all things under his power.

power. Zach's probably got the right translation. It says all things were given into his hands. I've looked this up. Now, I get it. That image of him having the power is technically right, but the actual Greek is given into his hands. Jesus knew that the father put all things into his hands and that he had come from God, and was returning to God. Now that statement in verse 3, he's got everything in his hands, he came from God, and he's returning to God, is quite a statement, and it's quite a preview

of what's fixing to happen. So then, he says, so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. It's like the great, greatest drum roll for who God is in Jesus. And then he's like, and this is what he's going to do to show you. And Jay, just to interject this thought, because it's later in the notes. But I think

it's Luke that points out that while Jesus is doing this, John doesn't say anything about it here in this chapter, but Luke points out while Jesus is preparing the greatest moment of servanthood in the history of planet Earth, the disciples are arguing about who is going to be the greatest in the coming revolution. I mean, they're actually having that discussion. Yeah, he's actually embodying what the New Kingdom is, and they're arguing about the old way, or not the old way,

they're arguing about the wrong way. But there's a lot of typology in this text, But I think one of it is that Jesus is acting as a priest in this. So if you go back to, you know, there's a, he's preparing them for something. And there's this, I'm actually preaching on Exodus 19 in a few weeks. I've been kind of sitting in Exodus 19 for a little bit. But there's an Exodus 19, this is where Moses is on Mount Sinai. And if you think about that mountain, that's representative of God's presence.

heaven and earth meet. We talk about this a lot, like we're heaven and earth meet on the mountain. They meet in the temple. It's the temple motif, the whole thing. And what Christ, or what, what he says there is that he's preparing, he said, I've chosen you essentially as a possession among all peoples for all the earth is mine. And you shall be, to me, a kingdom of priest and the holy nation. And so then there's this idea that he's going to show up in this cloud of smoke, right, that the presence of God is going to come on this mountain. He's going to be in the people's midst. But before he can kind of meet with them,

there's this call to consecration, to consecrate yourselves, to clean yourselves, to wash yourself. So they wash all their garments up. So kind of what you're seeing here is through Jesus' humility, he is also actually preparing them for the purification of sins, for the preparation of entering into his presence. It's this consecration and Christ is acting kind of as that priest for these people.

And I think that he's doing it through such an interesting way by him, he himself actually condescending, which you kind of see in Nexus 19. He says, they can't, they couldn't go up the mountain. He said, do you better tell them boys not to come up this mountain. If they come up this mountain and try to get a glimpse at me, they're going to be, I mean, they'll be destroyed. Don't do that. Don't try to get to God, right?

You are going to be destroyed if you try that. But what you see in Exodus 19 is the Lord condescends. The Lord comes down. So here you literally see the Lord condescending by the Lord himself getting down on his knees and washing the most vile part of the human being, which is the feet, to clean them and to make them able to come into his presence. And washing the entire group, Zach, and. that includes one who has already agreed to betray him and one that will deny him later, later, you know, the next day. So you look at, I mean, the idea of the expanse of the grace of it, and you're right,

it's such a good typology when you look at the washing concept, because we tend to look at this meal, you know, later it becomes kind of the basis for the Eucharist and the idea of the bread and the wine and the whole idea of about remitius. member in Christ, but the consecration happened first. Yeah. The idea this is what's going to happen. So it was really rich. Well, and it's offered, he's offering this to everyone. Not everyone's going to receive it. Right. Obviously, Judas did not receive it. Uh, Judas, he may have his feet washed, but he never gave him his heart. And we know what happened in the end. So it, again, shows the character of God in it, is that God is, he's washing everybody's feet. Like the washing is offered to all,

but maybe not all will accept. I wrote this down, this humility self-sacrifice, and these are not verses. I just wrote them down. But what Jesus is doing here, he's doing things for others that nobody else really wants to do. He's doing things for others

that you yourself are getting nothing that's material. in return. Yeah. I mean, just think about the, why people, they don't want to do this. And doing things for others when very few people, if any, or even noticing or commenting on. I mean, it's kind of like when you go, you see this when you have a big get-together. Yeah.

And you could be talking about the power of Jesus and seeing and all this. And then there's people that come in and, you know, clean up or they talk to someone, you know, in private who's convicted. All these acts of service. And I think it was hard for the disciples to wrap their head around this because they wanted the conquering king. Let's take down Rome. Let's be powerful people. Argue about who's the greatest. So these are very difficult things to represent.

your head around, especially when it's the creator of the universe as a man, doing the things that we deem as servanthood. So, having said that, what you... I wanted to, Jay, before you move on, because that's interesting, you came up with that, because one of the guys I read Chuck Swindall is a good outliner. His outline of this whole section about humility was very similar to what you just shared. His was this. He said, humility is unannounced, which that's what happens here. Jesus just come into death. They were shocked.

You know what's interesting you read about in the other gospels? He had thought about this thing the whole time because he had the whole thing set up, the room, all of it. Because you remember in Luke, he's like, now you go in the city, you're going to see a man with a jar or water. You follow him. He's going to take you to a place. So he like had all this mapped out.

So this was well thought out. But it was unannounced to them. humility is serving without embarrassment is the way he put it, which I love. Because the idea was Jesus was embarrassed in the moment. They sort of were to be served at that level. And it reminded me of Mary back in John 12 and also the woman in Luke 7. Humility is not a sign of weakness, but a sign of strength and power, which is true. I mean, you think about it for someone to do that and pull it off.

They're not weak. and then humility does not discriminate and that was the idea we're talking about because Judas and Peter he even served those who were going to, one was going to deny him and one was going to betray him. So he tracked right along with exactly

what you were thinking. Well, the reason I wrote that down is because when I looked up the, when I looked up the Greek word for wash, because I was just curious, it's not mentioned very often. and I think just 18 times but one of the times it was used

was in Matthew 6 and this is how I got to that point and it's probably how what you just read probably how he got there and of all things it's about fasting in Matthew 6 sermon on the Mount verse 17 when you fast

put oil on your head and wash your face so it's mentioned there so that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting but only to your father which i think is very interesting it's like in this case it was like wash your face so it doesn't look like that you're fasting you don't want anybody to know that why so that it will not be obvious but only to your father who is unseen that's why i had that little point about when you do things for others you do it despite people noticing it and that's where that came from because then it says

but only to your father who is unseen and your father who sees what is done in secret will reward you and he uses that same line when it comes to prayer when it comes to give into the needy and Matthew 6 it's very fascinating Matthew 6 4 uh 6 3 and 4 but when you give it to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing so that your giving may be in secret. Then your father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. And I think that's the epitome of these love actions is you're doing it for God. And that's why God is doing it through himself in Jesus. This is, he's revealing his nature. This is an evidence that there is a God. about the planet, all the places and times where you see these love actions, whether people are

in Christ or not, these things are coming from God. When you're seeing the sacrificial, servant, humble, unselfish acts. And if we didn't have them, look, this planet wouldn't even have people. I mean, that's what's keeping it at bay. So I think that's fascinating. Yeah, one of the, Jayce, I followed that same rabbit trail you did. And one of the places that it's also mentioned, a variant of the word, is in John 9 with the guy born blind. Remember we told that whole story? And Jesus puts the mud, you know, from his saliva and the dirt on his eyes.

And then he tells him to go wash it off. But he tells him to go to the pool of salome, which salome means scent. And so the guy goes and does it and he can see. But remember, then he gets into all the. this controversy, but he doesn't understand why there's a controversy. He was blind, and now he can see. And so I just thought it was interesting that same word is used here. And these apostles, these disciples, are about to be sent. And so I never really put that typology together before I studied it from the backside looking at this, but that is pretty beautiful that the

idea is that cleanse people tend to want help, they want to help other people find cleansing. I mean, that's the whole concept. Well, right. And that's, that's, that's, that's, Exactly what I noticed. And he actually, if you look up the Greek word for that bath when he says, when he was talking to Peter, and he said, he who has had a bath only needs his feet to be washed. Because they walked around and then you just had a bath. Yeah. But you walk to the next place. Well, now you just need your feet washed, which was kind of what he was saying.

But when I looked up that word for bath, well, it's kind of the same concept. of how it's used in the New Testament. Hebrews 10, I think, says having your bodies washed with pure water, you know. 1022. Yeah, 1022. But here's what I found fascinating. I know we're out of time. There's also another word used for washing that you can think about this.

It's only used twice. And it's in Titus 3-5. and Ephesians 5. 25. I want to read these because it kind of flips the narrative around and it's like you get to surrender to a place where this washing occurs.

I mean, I personally think it's a reference to what happens at baptism. But I want to read Titus, 35 and Ephesians 5. Titus 3.5 says, He saved us not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ. And then Ephesians 5. The only two places that word is used. It's different from the other washing. it says, husbands love your wife, Jesus Christ, love the church.

Now we're talking about Christ in the church here and gave himself up for her to make her holy cleansing her by the washing with water. So they've already been cleansed out. See how it uses that word?

Yep. Cleansing her by the washing with water through the word and to present her to himself as a radiant church without stain, wrinkle or any other blemish but wholly and blame us. It means something and whatever it is is very inspiring that you get to participate in that.

And I'll read one more verse and close later in John 15, which we'll get to later down the road. He told the disciples, you are already clean because of the word I've spoken to you. So it's that same concept that you're talking about. So we'll pick this up. We've got a lot to talk about in John 13. So we'll see you next time. I'm none of shame. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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