Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1140 | ‘The Blind’ Returns as Jase & Al Revisit the Places Phil Left Behind

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

Jase shares his unconventional testimony for I Am Second in the same white chair once signed by Phil—and only learns that after the fact. Al returns to Phil and Kay’s house for the first time since his passing to film marriage content with Lisa, and the experience hits him harder than expected. As "The Blind" prepares for a special re-release with new footage, they reflect on how Phil’s story continues to impact lives. The guys dive into John 13 and explore how God's timing transforms ordinary moments into sacred ones. In this episode: John 13; Ephesians 1, verses 9–10; Ephesians 2, verse 12; Ephesians 5, verse 15; Ephesians 6, verse 18; Galatians 4, verse 4; 1 Corinthians 10, verse 26; Exodus 19; Mark 1, verse 15 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Three, two, one. Welcome. I threw me off. There's a. Zach tried to imitate Maddie's countdown. I did good. Quite there. It's okay. Not quite there. She's got the melody a bit better.

She does. So we were talking about on the last podcast, we kicked off about last week being a tough week. in terms of we were doing a lot of recording. And there were a couple of things that we didn't even mention. We talked about a lot of stuff. But Jay's, you and I had two different projects that we were working in this midst of podcast we were doing and everything else that was kind of crazy going on at Dock Commander.

I'll tell you about mine in a minute. But tell me about you. So you did, I am second. Oh, okay. Which is. I wasn't sure what I did. Yeah, you did. I am second.

And I think, Cy and Bobby, who we call Bobby, which is Lil Will, who's not so little, he's a big guy. They were also featured in this project. So, you know, those of you that know many of our family members have done this I Am Second. And I've told you before about my experience. It really, I can't wait to hear Jason because it's something I've never, because the way they film it, it's like super dark and you have this bright light on you. and it's like you're being questioned from the wilderness. There's a guy like out in the, you can't see him, and he's like asking you questions.

Jason, what was that like for you? It was a really surreal experience for me, but I felt like it helped me do better. I don't know. Well, Zach had asked me to do something to do with a re-release of the blind. You know, it's like it's kind of weird when you die. people talk about you more than they did when you were alive. Yeah.

Which is one of the things you see like with my dad. And I think you just, I mean, I've been doing more feel scenes in the last couple months. Yeah. I mean, you added it as a segment on the podcast. Oh, well, today's line, because I just got a text while you were talking this while I was distracted. I'll put away my phone after I do this. But I literally heard Phil's voice because I got a text after I watched a video. We're planning the ducal.

Yeah. But we're doing it with a drone because we've had a problem through the years. Because in Louisiana, you think, well, in the summertime, it gets hot and dry. Well, not in Louisiana. It rains every day. Yeah. I mean, it feels like we're in some kind of tropical weird world. It's 98 degrees and then it rains

And if they say it's not going to rain, it's going to rain. They say it's going to rain, it's not. They can't figure it out. But it's hard to plant because it won't dry up. There's muck. It's just, it's rough. And so my dad battled it for years. Well, if he only knew that one day you could plant with a drone.

Yeah. Isn't that something? Because you know, Jay's, he sampled this about five years ago. They hired a plane to come by and drop it. But the problem was twofold. One, that's a little bit of an expensive. And not only that, it doesn't quite hit the mark. Like, you know, it got in the woods.

It went everywhere. Oh, I remember that argument between my dad and my mom, because the argument started when my dad said, I don't care what it costs. We're planting that swamp. So we got it planted, and you think, oh, everything's great. Well, we had to replant because I just got this text that said two words. No worms.

And I heard that, I could hear my dad's voice say, now we're cooking with peanut oil. Because he planted everything. No worms is good for the human body and for your crops. Yeah. Because we planted everything with a drone. It was beautiful. And then two days later, they went out and looked at the beautiful grass

and the army worms had moved in and ate about a third in two days of what was planted. Isn't that something? Wow. And so they had to move the worms to move the worms to a different location. And then. Werns harmed in the relocating of those. Well, none of them except the ones that were in the wrong field. You want earthworms, though.

You do want earthworms. These aren't earthworms. These are like, they look like little caterpillars. Little grubs. And there are tens of millions of them. And they can eat all your, all your, it's coming. problem. So yeah, we got that going. But so back to the I.M. Second, you know, look, I'm going to a weird thing. So I knew some of the members of my family had done some I Am Second videos,

including my son. Yep. And of course, they never asked me because I have a weird testimony. These people usually follow a grid. I'm just speculating here. But as Al, like you always say, you know, when you were working on your testimony. Well, people don't ask me for my testimony because, number one, I'm pretty clear about, I share, you know, God's story, not mine, which I think everyone should agree with that. But we're all different.

And in Luke 15, I was kind of the older brother. I responded to our childhood trauma, Al, differently than you did. Right. And, but it's a problem because the evil one, and just the nature of things, you know, he can get you with self-gratification with various sins and pleasures,

but he can also get you with pride. And that was kind of my response to my childhood. I just thought, I'm not doing this because I'm better than you. That was kind of my mantra. And sounds great, and it keeps you out a lot of trouble, but it's really hard to humble yourself in Jesus when you have that kind of attitude. So I was kind of nervous about how that was going to come across.

I said, you probably have never heard this type of testimony. Because we did the thing for the movie, Zach. They said it went well. And, you know, it's kind of, they make it kind of intimidating. There was an army of people. Oh, there was a career here. I saw it. I just saw a cut of it, which I love.

So if you watch the blind the first time, where there's the end of the movie is, there's like a little special content with Phil. And so Fathom called and we're like, hey, we want to re-release the blind for just like a little five-day run, but we want people to have an opportunity to do it really, because there's such an outcry for the movie after Phil's passing and this, all the testimonies. In fact, I had a guy come to church this Sunday at our church. And he came up to me and I was talking to somebody else.

I could tell like he was just like, wait, he was sitting there looking at me. And he looked like he was on the verge of just breaking down in tears. And so I started to talk with him and his voice was quivering. And he said, can I talk to you for a second privately? And I was like, yeah. So we kind of went off into the corner there. And somebody listened to the show, watched the blind and just started. I mean, as soon as he sat down, he just unloaded just tears of how much Phil's testimony in life had meant to him.

and was the reason why he came to Christ and was baptized in the last six months. And it just, I mean, there's so many people who have, who have, who had that same story. And so Fatham was like, yeah, we want to, we'd love to bring this back. But we, you know, want to get another special piece of content. So we're playing something I think is really cool. You haven't even seen yet, Jace, because you sat in there for, you recorded for several hours. I did, because I did two things, which is typical, Zach. he asked me to do that, which took, you know, 30 minutes. That was on the other, that was on them.

That my part was my part. I didn't have anything doing that part. Then the old line, since we have you here. That wasn't me. But it is a good. I mean, like these guys are, I am seconds an incredible ministry. They actually have. Well, look, it's funny. Is that because you think about it, Jason was just talking about, and I'm so glad he told his perspective, because it will impact people that, that have similarities to him. But think about their name. I am second. What does that even mean?

That means that somebody else is first. Yeah. And so that's the whole point. I think I made them nervous that. Because when this guy, after it was over, I mean, three and a half hours, the guy who was the producer, because what would happen was, you know how any production goes. Yeah. The producer sits down and he's like, now, here's what we're thinking.

and he talked. Well, then when the camera started rolling, I did nothing about what was just discussed. I should have warned him. There's no wrangling around here, boys. Well, he never said a word. He would go. We'd go for like 30 minutes.

He'd sit out. He would go through this thing. And then I wasn't doing it on purpose. I was just kind of going by the Holy Spirit here. And he said, well, that, so after it was. over he said jays i got to tell you that's the first self-produced i am second uh program we've ever done and i thought i didn't really realize what he meant by that until i left well i asked him how i went and they said it was great it was self-produced and i was like what i i interpreted that to mean that james

produced it on his own he just came in here since i'm second i would say it was god produced and god produced Hopefully the Lord will use it. But I think I made them nervous because I said, look, I am second, which from my view and my journey to coming to Christ meant I'm with everybody else. And they were just kind of looking at me. I'm like, that's a powerful statement for me to say. Because my biggest struggle was allowing to have joy in other people. and to be concerned because that was kind of the way the evil one used the temptation for me. It's like you can do the right thing the wrong way.

Yep. And at the end of the day, you're alienated, alone, you know, cut off and you're not, God is not using you for anything except, you know, to be bitter or point out people's fault. So that was kind of the main thrust of it. So it was kind of a therapy session. It's going to be good. I mean, if you want to see it, and what I hope happens if you know someone who is not going to walk in the church building,

I think it's August 31st is the release because it's going to be like four or five days. And we'll have all this information up on the blindmovie.com so you can go to the website and sign up. If you sign up for emails the last time, I think you'll probably still get the email, but you can sign up for emails and we'll give you all the info. But I hope people will just find somebody who won't walk in his job. church building. Yeah. And then take him to watch the movie.

And at the end of it, you'll get to see a little, don't leave. When the credits start rolling, don't leave. Yeah. We got a little special thing that we film with Jace out. Which, and I just want to give a shout-out time, second, the crew there, because Angie and the crew, because they partnered with us on that first bite with dad at the end. Yeah. And it was tremendous.

And now they've done the same thing with Jay. So they're a great partner. Well, let me tell you something else that's interesting about them that I'm praying on. Young, Unashamed Nation, y'all can pray on this too. So they're part of a larger, I didn't know this, but they're part of a larger nonprofit organizations, the organization that, one of the things, their core competencies of what they do,

I just, I was, we're having dinner with the guys telling me this. I'm like, that's wild. Because I had talked to them about maybe handling some of the responses of people who want to have further discussion, you know, about coming to Christ, because we don't have, we find the bandwidth to do it personally. And they were like, yeah, we'd love to do that. But they also train people in how to start house churches.

And I thought, how crazy is that? So I'm praying with them and talking on them about potentially even maybe figuring out how we can work together on getting unashamed day. Because a lot of people, a lot of you guys who listen to the show have asked us. How do I start a house church? How do I do that? And so be interesting to see what the Lord does there. That's awesome. Well, let me tell you a weird thing that happened.

I have more to this story. So the next day I was trying to rest up after a long day of filming. And I get a text from a guy who I met in a green room in New York. I was fixing to go on Fox Business and talk about our Duck Family Treasure Show. and it was a strange question I had seen this guy on TV before because now just picture me for those of you watching

I mean I have a sort of a camouflage shirt on the beard is doing what it does and I'm sitting in the green room of kind of the stock show with all these people who look nothing like me and so the guy just couldn't help ask the question, even though I'd recognized him from TV, he's like, hey man, what are you doing here?

It was a really good question if you think about it, because I'm in a green room. He realizes I'm fixed to go out here. Yeah. It's like how, he just couldn't help it. He had to ask that question. And which I thought I was kind of being a victim of facial profiling here and just, but he knew who you were, right? You knew who I was, but it's like, why are you on this show? And so I said, well, I'm promoting our family treasure show. And he's like, yeah, but how did you get on this show? He just wanted to know. And I said, well, they asked me which shows I wanted to do.

And I said, well, you know, I do my own investing. And I said, so I'll fill all questions about that. I said, he said, well, what did they say when you said that? I said, oh, they busted out laughing. next thing I know I'm booked and they actually asked me some questions about it which look of all the- Did you hold your own? I'm just curious on the show. I'll tell you this. They actually had me come back during Christmas time and I did a segment about, I think I named it. I self-produced that by the way, Zach, because they said, well, we'll talk about the show. And I was like, well,

I want to give my fellow listeners some gifts. And so I have. I have. had, you know, they do this thing about the magnificent seven stocks. Yeah. And everybody, that's what they talk about, especially at that time. So I gave the merry, what was it called, the Mary Five? And I gave five stocks that had outperformed the Magnificate Seven in the last five years. And I said, I recommend these stocks that I own. And so I wish we could roll back to when I gave that, because if you would have bought those five stocks that I recommended, you'd be a very rich man right now.

I'm just saying, I got it. I got it right. What if your next career was you were, like you were on CNBC, like a Kramer? I mean, could you think you could carry? I think I could do it. But the problem is, I mean, not the problem, let me scratch that. I think what I have going for me is when you see me, it's just like this guy, your expectations are so low. Yeah.

But now I have actually something for that resume because I predicted those five companies. What month is this? It's July. I know it was somewhere in between June and September. It's almost all. August. So, yeah, pretty good run there on those little stocks. So I think it was interesting. It was clever. But what I was going to say is, yes, I could do that. But what I would tell people is, you need, even though I'm very proud that I learned that skill, I tell people you need to pay a financial

advisor to do this. Because it's way harder than you think. It's way more complicated. to explain and if you don't have the right emotional makeup, you need to get away from it and let somebody else do it. It's just, it's very difficult. But anyway, so we kind of hit it awful. I started talking about Jesus. I was like, well, I'm not a gambler. That's why I followed Jesus. But I do know about the stock market. Well, we cut a foreign relationship because I was, I don't know why I was shocked, but he loved Jesus. And so I got his number. He got mine. He got my. Well, he sent me this text. It's not like we talk about a lot of things.

The day after I did the I am second, I'm going to read you the text. I didn't ask you for permission, but that's why I didn't give his name. But it says, we're at the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C., and we are seeing the white chair they use for the I.M. Second interviews. It has your mom and dad's signatures on the back of it. Pretty cool. Well, when I read it, it kind of made me overrequent. come with emotion.

Because I had just sat in the new white chair and I signed that chair. I didn't know there was already a chair that had been retired that had my dad's signature on that. And by the way, and your sons and Jep's was on there too. Well, and experiencing how intimidating it was. I think they'd do it for the mood. I mean, I wasn't intimidated, but not because I'm, you know, think I'm special or something. And I just thought, I kind of grin and thought, boy, they're really putting the spotlight on you here.

I mean, you get in a little cave. There's cameras and spotlights everywhere. And you're just in this chair. And they actually play music before you talk to, like, create the mood. I mean, these people are all in on getting the mood right and what you're fixing to share. And so I just realized after that experience, it was, it was. I really felt in the moment, okay, God wants me to do this for him. And it's a, it's, uh, it's a, it's, uh, intimidating is a bad word.

I don't know how to describe it. I just said it was surreal. It was the only word I could come up with too. It's a very different thing. But, but it's very effective and powerful. And if you go and watch any of the videos of people, you'll, you'll recognize a lot of, there's a lot of sports people on there, a lot of musicians and, of course, all. It's hard to be that vulnerable to that level.

Yeah. And I really thank you. My tip for those of you who will ever do that is you really just, you got to do it for the Lord. Yes, right. And just say, you know what? I'm nothing. And here it is.

So I did it. Jay's what's interesting. And you don't know this. I don't think Zach does either. But so this whole week we've had all this going on. and Jace had that. And so it's just when you walked into Duck Commander headquarters,

it just seemed like chaos because there were different film crews there. They're filming the show, the new revival show. They're filming Jays and stuff. They're filming our stuff. We've got podcast crews going in every room. Well,

I had Lisa and I had agreed to do some marriage videos for a group called Right Now Media. And it just so happened. It's the same week. So looming, on the last day of the week, I've got like six sessions

that Lisa and I are going to do for these people that's going to be on there. They do video mainly for churches, but it's really interesting stuff and their content is great. Willie's been on there, Sadie's been on there, a lot of other people in a family.

But so they wanted to film outside. And I was like, they're from Atlanta and Florida. I thought they would do. I was like, you can't film outside in Louisiana in July. It's just, we would.

it would all melt. It would be the worst thing that ever happened. So it's got to be indoors. But they wanted to do it out at mom and dad's house. Well, I had not been back to their house since they moved out of there. And of course, then dad, you know, crossed over. And mom hasn't been back either. And so I was kind of dreading going out there, to be honest with you. I mean, I just hadn't been back. And, you know, and I knew yet like the chair's gone, you know, in the corner back there. So I walk in the house. But it turned out to be great because we, we filmed in the living room at mom and dad's house. And it was so emotional for me, Jay's, because I thought, you know, Lisa and I started dating in that room. Probably every one of us did, our wives, you know,

started there. And so like 40 years, you know, you think back over time. And so it was, and then looking at mom and dad's relationship and, you know, just seeing how they grew in Christ. And so it was very, it turned out to be a fantastic, amazing experience. It was just Lisa and I had a camera. And we gave six marriage sessions, including our story for this group. But I thought I would be like just rung out and tired and all that because the week had been so long. And we'd talked so much on podcasts and stuff. But it wasn't.

Because of the setting, I think I was totally invigorated. And kind of ironically, the not. night before, a couple was given their testimony at our re-engage, which is at WFR on Thursday nights. And he had invited me to come. And I said, well, look, dude, it's a crazy week. I can't promise. But if I can come, I will. Well, I wasn't going to go. But then, like, two days before that, a young couple who's struggling said, you know, we really need to talk to you and Ms. Lisa. Is there any any way we could do it? I said, well, I tell you what, meet me up at the church building on Thursday night. And I mean, this whole week has been insane and crazy. I was like, we'll talk. And so we heard

that testimony. It was amazing, this couple. And then we sat down for two hours with this young couple, you know, and tried to help them through where they are. But all that was just God working. And you said it so well. You have to look at these things as opportunities. Whether you're need to knee with someone sharing Jesus, whether you're in our case with a young couple that struggling with their marriage, or you have an opportunity. In our case, we get to film stuff that put it out there for other people. Because all this matters. Jay's right.

It's Jesus's story, but it's told through us. And, Zach, you think about the blind. Now the movie itself has become part of the storyline for so many people, and they're coming to Christ to begin with. You mentioned the one guy, but I've heard at least. Oh, that's a lot. A dozen. And I thought it was over.

I was like, well, that was, but I mean, the fact that Fatham called back up and it popped up on the top five, a DV, or top six DVD sales and streaming, you know,

so I mean, it's still having an impact. So I'd love to be a part of content that's telling the story of Jesus, you know. It's, I mean, it's a lot of it started right here on this podcast. It did.

And once again, just as I try to do this from time to time, because we want you as an audience to know, we never take you for granted. we are super proud that you guys get behind all these different things we do. And thank you for that. Unashamed Nation is amazing. I mean,

you kind of are our base point. And so that's why we love doing Bible study with you. And as Jay said, this weekend, after all that, I didn't do anything Saturday. I just kind of badged out. But by yesterday, Sunday, I was right back into John and studying and loving every minute of it. Well, I got two things I want to bring up on this John 13, where we're at. We left off. I promised this last podcast and didn't get to it.

So my apology. But when he starts in John 13, it was just before the Passover feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world. So that time, the Greek word for that hour, we went through that a few podcasts ago. Remember in John 2, where he told his mom, my hour has not come? and we went through all the verses. But I found something noteworthy. There's two different words translated time in the Bible.

So, or in the New Testament. So the point I wanted to make was this is the same word that he used before, you know, the hour, the time. And we went through all. Jay's, is it the same word that we did back in John 12? John 12. Yep, read that. The hours come.

Same word. The hours come for the son of man, yeah. And it's translated hour or time. However, and since this at the end of the day is a Bible study, I want to share something that I found fascinating about this. And I want to read you from AI, so take it for. for what it is, but I think they do a pretty good job when you ask them a question like this about the two different, the difference in the Greek words used as it relates to time. And they are, I will give a terrible attempt at pronouncing these,

caros, K-A-I-R-O-S, and H-O-R-A. Well, this is the H-O-R-A right here, and that's the one predominantly used. So the caros is only used twice in John, two different settings. And it's back in John 7, and I want to read this to you. So it's not, now look, it's the same word. They can both be used as time, but they have different nuances to the meaning. Are y'all following me, Zach? Yeah.

Okay. So John 7, you remember that little conversation he had? Oh, yeah, with the brothers. Yep. all right well that's a different word for time and i'll read it so this is john seven after this jesus went around in galilee purposely staying away from judea because the jews there were waiting to take his life well which is interesting because he came here to give his life but he was going back to that john 10 passage but he gave it by his own choosing and it's and it's weird because

this is going to tie in to this deal about God has put everything in his hands. And that word hands is all over John. Because people are constantly trying to put their hands on him to seize him and kill him. But he has the whole world given by God in his hands. And what he does with his hands are going to be extremely inspirational once we get there. But I just wanted to plant that seed. So verse 2 of 7, but when the Jewish first,

Feast of Tabernacles was near. Here we go again. Every time you see some kind of special occasion, Jesus shows up. His brother said, You ought to leave here, go to Judea, so your disciples may see miracles. So they're giving him, you know, advice, marketing advice.

Verse four, no one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. But we just said by Jesus washing the feet that what you do in secret is what gets God's attention, which is fascinating. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world, for even his own brothers did not believe in him. So, verse six, Jesus says, the right time for me has not yet come. Well, that's a different word. So you say, that's the Cairo's.

So I think I've planted the seed enough to say, well, what is the difference? So I want to read this. So in the Bible, this is AI overview. The Greek words chiros and horror both refer to time, but in distinct ways. Hora, which is the one used in John 12, I'll, and in John 13, Hora generally refers to a specific point or duration of time. Duh. It's like, my hour's not come.

What does it mean? Well, the hour's not come. it's literally about there's a time coming when this is going to happen like an hour or a season which i thought is funny you know when people because i made fun of that before the christianese language about oh we're going through this season well i'm fixed to give you give you some uh kairos on that season since i threw that under the the bus i'm going to give you a great response when someone says oh we're going through a season, a good response, a Chiro's response, is to say, well, what is the purpose of that season? Because listen to this, while Chiros refers to a strategic, opportune, or decisive moment,

essentially, Hora is a clock time, while Chiros is God's time or the right time for something to happen. So it has a significance to it. It's somewhere I read in it. It's like a time that's coming. It used illustration like the significance is like a woman being pregnant. What is the significance of her? The timing of that is that when that time comes,

something profound is happening like a human is entering the earth. So that's as good a job as I can do as explaining the differences. Now what that means to us spiritually, I want to finish reading Roman, I mean, I want to finish reading John 7. So it said, The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify what it does is evil. You go to the feast. I'm not yet going up to this feast because for me, the right time, there's that Cairo's, has not come yet.

But I think you already see that even in that, that his time is going to have something to do with taking on evil itself. You see what I mean? You see why I use that word? Yeah. It's like you don't understand

for you any time is the right time because you're just thinking, oh, let's go here, let's go there. It's kind of like that passage in James. You know, what shall we do tomorrow? Shall we just go out? but Jesus is saying you don't understand what this time is all about the time that's coming. I think that's fascinating.

The only other time it's used in John is actually, I think is interesting, but it illustrates what the word is the hidden verse of John 5. And what I mean by hidden verse, because if you read John 5, when you get to 3, it skips to 5. because there's some controversy about whether verse four, which is not in the Bible, should be in the Bible. But if you find that in the margin, it says, and you remember the story. Yeah, that was the healing at the pool where the guy's waiting. Yeah, and the guy believed that if he got in the pool, that an angel would stir the water.

So I'll read it. The timing had to be just right. Well, that's right, because think about the different word here, the Cairo's. What was the significance of that time? If you were the first in the water, you would be healed. Well, that time carries a little more weight because there's a purpose to the time. You follow me? And so I'll read it.

From time to time, an angel of the Lord, which sounds like to something like, We use that, oh, from time to time I do that. But from that time to time, an angel of the Lord would come down and stir up the waters. The first one in the pool after each such disturbance would be cured of whatever disease he had. Well, being there at that time is life-changing. Now, I said all that. And being mobile is also important. I said all that to say, would you believe?

I mean, they're used about the same amount of times in the New Testament 100, but that carose used later really changes the meaning of when you're reading passages of scripture. And look, you can do it on your own time. It's real easy to look up the word, look up the Greek lexicon in the Bible hub, click on the word and read all the times it's used. but it's almost 100 in both cases. But I just wanted to show you in Ephesians, and I thought this was very powerful.

So in Ephesians 1 in verse 10, this is the Cairo's. I'll read 9 and 10. And he may known to us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times Cairo's, the significance of the time,

will have reached their fulfillment, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ. Well, when did that happen? When did that happen? When did God, well, he says, he may know the mystery, which he purposed in Christ,

to be put into effect, when the times will have reached their fulfillment to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ. I'll give you a hint. It's the one who had all this in his hands, the world. He pulled it off through his death, bell, and resurrection, and going back to the Father, which is what started John 13. Well, you said at the Great Commission, all authority on heaven and earth has been given to me.

So you know that at least, at the very least, you know that, in that moment post-resurrection pre-ascension so after the resurrection before the ascension christ is claiming the authority of daniel seven with the son of man the ancient of days gave him the kingdom and all authority and dominion so we know that we do know that that not like i mean yeah i think it's after the resurrection before the ascension is when he claimed to have had this i would say well i'd make an argument to say it was the whole process that he started in John 13, going to the father. Because when he went to the father, he poured out the

spirit, which he brings up in Ephesians 113. Well, he didn't do that by accident. You were included in Christ. I mean, I would argue, it started at his baptism in the Jordan River when that's the start of his ministry. It started when

he came out of that womb. Yeah. I mean, as far as we're going to go back here. I think that's, that's splitting hairs. But my point is, I think most people look at time and they think, oh, at the end of the end of time, you know, Jesus is going to make all this right. But he made it right by doing what he did.

And we get to participate in that now. And yes, ultimately, when we're raised bodily, it's kind of the now, not yet concept. it's totally fulfilled, but he used that as a point of reference. But I just want to show you the others in Ephesians. So in Ephesians 212, watch what he says. He says, remember that at that time, you were separate from Christ. So remember, this is the whole Jew-Gentile deal. And it says, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise

without hope and without God in the world. But now, in Christ Jesus, you who were once far away have been brought near to the blood of Christ. Well, that time, he said that was significant. Well, look, there's more. Let me give you the last couple, and then we can talk about it. But in 516, now this is where it really excited me. Well, now he's talking to us, what does this look like for people

who are in Christ. You know, the first three chapters basically look at what God is done in Christ. And he brought heaven and earth together. We have the spirit. We're representing heaven. He's representing us in heaven. We're on earth. He brought it together under Christ.

And then he gets, so what do we do about it? Well, in 15, Ephesians 515, it says, be very careful then how you live. Not as unwise, but as wise. Well, you see that phrase? making the most of every opportunity, that's the same word for time that caros. Every opportunity you have is significant when that happens. And what's he's talking about? He's talking about how you live, and here's that phrase, because the days are evil.

The same phrase he used back in John 7. And now that's been passed on to us because we have his Holy Spirit. And look, there's another one. Look, there's 86 of these. I'm just giving you the ones in Ephesians. Ephesion 6 is the last one I read, verse 18. And pray in the spirit on all, see that word, occasions? Now, while ago it was opportunities.

Now it's occasions. That's that time, time that is significant with a significant purpose, with all kinds of prayers and requests with this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for the saints. Don't you find that fascinating that Paul uses that word that Jesus used about times that are significant that have been? And he's getting down into your prayer life, how you live, the conversations you have,

the conversations with God. And so just think about how we view. Oh, it's time for prayer time, and we say the prayer. It's a way more significant meaning in the Greek language when he's saying that. This is time that's changing the world. It's changing you. And I find it fascinating that Jesus said that. But he's also saying this is going to happen.

This is going to happen. That's the focus with the other time work. So I just wanted to throw that out there because when you're studying the Bible, just knowing that is really going to enrich your life when you read that. It's way more,

this time is to be viewed as way more serious and the repercussions of it is way more godly. And it gets back to that God seeing what is done in secret. So I was thinking, Jay, that you, you know, we had the police officer on recently, the...

Blake, Blake. Yeah, Blake Cook. And I quoted that verse to him, Jay, as you said a minute ago in Ephesians, about making the most of every opportunity and the significance of it because I love whenever I tell about, you know, me as a prodigal son and my return trip home, it was a police officer. The way I say it is this. I said he actually practiced the verse that says make the most of every opportunity because he saw me and took advantage of that moment and guided me back to home.

And I was like, you know, he understood the significance. And now I can't even think about it. I don't know who he is. So I got to find him in heaven to say, hey, dude, because you were living it and recognized the moment and the significance of it, you changed my life forever because you pointed me back to Jesus. So that's, yeah, the, the, I said this at church a while back. We had somebody pass out in our church, and we had two or three paramedics come up there,

a couple of doctors, nurses. And I was like, you know, can you imagine, I mean, they were on the scene ready to roll. And I thought, can you imagine if everybody in here had gone into like full-time ministry? I think what we realize is that, no, we're not all called to do full-time ministry, but we're all called to do ministry. We're all called to be priest. That priesthood of believers is what we're all called to be. And I was reading this, thinking about that when I was going through that Exodus passage,

where I mentioned on the last podcast, they're in this, they're coming to the mountain of God, and they really just don't have access to him. And they can't come in proximity to him because he's too holy. And he gives him a warning not to do that. but what God ends up doing Christ does, he ends up coming down and kind of manifesting on the mountain. And so that's the, I think that was a prefiguration of what we're going to experience here. And I say that to say this, that what you experienced Al was a police officer who probably loved Jesus, I'm assuming, right? Yeah.

Who was doing his job as a police officer in the world, which you think is that. a secular occupation or sacred occupation. Most people would say that's a secular occupation. It's not if you're a believer. If you're if you're if you're part of the priesthood, then that police officer is actually in a sacred vocation. And and and so when there's this call in Exodus, it has everything to do with what Jesus said, but there's this call in Exodus 19 when he says that he says, for all the earth is mine, this is God speaking.

He said, all the earth is mine. And you shall be to me a kingdom of priest and a holy nation. Well, you flip over to the New Testament. And 1st Corinthians chapter 10, verse 26, says, For the earth is the Lord's. Same language you use in Exodus. And the fullness thereof. But how many times have you heard the gospel preached that the earth was actually something that we need to escape?

But that's not the language that he uses in 1st Corinthians 10. He says, the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. And in my Bible, that headline in that particular passage is you do all things to the glory of God. So I think that what's happening is when we start to understand time in this way, is it essentially eradicates a divide between what we call the so-called secular world and then the so-called sacred world. And what it does is we start to view all of the world as sacred. All of the world is his.

So no matter if you become a preacher or a police officer, guess what you're doing, you have a sacred vocation no matter which route you choose. Right. which which and you know we we talk about dad all the time you know the through a love of outdoors which i thought the movie did a great job of showing him as a kid that you know having this natural connection to the woods and you know it's just the way he was built he was just wired that way that he could do the most for the kingdom from a position of a duck haul an outdoorsman and a hunter than he ever could have as a preacher he would always say i'm not

Look at me. I'm not some preacher, but then he's probably one of the most famous preachers in our culture. But never did it as a vocation. But never did it as a vocation. And so, I mean, I feel like I was in ministry being paid by the church. I'm grateful for everything they did for me. But I've done as much or more than that not being paid by the church for the last 12 years. So it's not a question of that.

I let the way you put that because we say the word full-time ministry. We're all in full-time ministry. Yeah. Well, to your point, Zach, Galatians 4 of 4 says when the time had reached its fulfillment, God sent his son born of a woman. That's where I was getting that one. I said, well, it started when he was born, born under law to redeem those underlaw that we might receive the full rights of sons.

Because you are sons, God sent the spirit of his son into our hearts, which is going that bringing heaven and earth together. So you're no longer a slave but a son. Yeah, because on the Great Commission, because that weather was probably the more fullness of that calling for him to establish the kingdom to rule and to reign, happened after his resurrection when he gets the authority, he has the dominion.

But what is his charge to us? His charge is, here's your vocation. Go and do like what. That's my whole point. Look, people, there's too many churches that put up the missionary journey maps and all, and they're trying to figure it all the times and the details, and there's no power. It's not about just that that happened, and here's how it happened. The actual Greek word is the significance of when it happened, how it happened,

and by which who brought it is thrilling. It should be thrilling. And look, you get to participate in it, even in your prayer life. It's like, whoa, this moment, this time, or this season, when somebody says, I'm going through a season, you say, well, how exciting is this season? What is the significance of this season? You follow me? It's not just for going through some times and dates here. It's like this.

I was thinking about this other day because this guy on the Not Yet Now podcast had just came into the comment section and just went. scorched earth. And I was reading through it, it was so bizarre. But one of the things that I was kind of keying up on is if you, when you think about this coming of the kingdom, and you can get off on that concept one or two ways. One, you can think that everything is fully here and there's no future hope, which is what this guy was saying. He called it futurism. He said, it's dead. I'm like, well, I don't think so.

Christ is coming back, son. And there will be a resurrection of the dead. And I stand on that very firmly. Like, he is coming back. But if you don't believe that, if you don't believe in the future resurrection of the dead, then what is this earth right now? It's just something to be gone through, and then we're going into whatever. I don't even know what the next thing.

I'll tell you what it is. The earth's dead. It's dead. It's dead. And I know we're out of time, but to your point, you know which word is used in Mark 115. Mark 115, Jesus' first words recorded in the book of Mark. the time has come, the Cairo's. The kingdom of God is near.

I looked it up. So it's on the other side, too. If you think that it's not here and that it's all coming in the future, that's the other side of it, that's all future. Well, then you still have a view of this world as being some kind of gnaustic, like it doesn't matter. Exactly. That's why I brought up Ephesians. That's why I went to Ephesians because everybody's like, well, that's not yet happened yet.

It's like, it's happening now. And it's significant. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But speaking of time, we are out of it. So we'll move on. Next time, we'll pick it up here.

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