Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1144 | Jase Loses His Cool at the Airport & Living As the Irish Live

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Al recounts his first trip to Ireland, where he navigated left-side driving, toured a castle, saw a local play, and visited an IRA pub to hear Irish rebel songs. Jase relives an airport ordeal over wireless earbuds that tested his patience and ultimately convicted his heart. Zach discovers the quickest way to get under Jase’s skin with the help of “Unashamed” producer, Madi. The guys connect these moments to John 13 exploring how Jesus’ example of washing His disciples’ feet—including Judas—redefines holiness as serving others, even when angered. In this episode: John 13, verses 12–17; John 7, verses 16–17; Romans 12, verses 1–2; 1 John 2, verse 15; 1 John 4, verses 7–8, 10, 16; John 3, verse 16; John 15, verses 9–10, 12–13, 17; Galatians 5, verse 22; 1 Corinthians 13; Psalm 41, verse 9; Genesis 3, verse 15; 1 Timothy 2, verses 14–15 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. Jason, on the last podcast, you told us about your travels during our little time off. And so while you were in the great state of Colorado. In Pennsylvania. And Pennsylvania. I did the opposite of what you did.

I did an event first in Cedar. Rapids, Iowa. No, I flew into Cedar Rapids, Cedar Falls, Iowa, which the Cedar River, by the way, is very rapid and has falls, which is why they call it that, which surprised me. I didn't know they had that up in Iowa. But it was a beautiful place. The weather was fantastic. It was so cool and nice. And I did this event, and the young man came up to me and said, I'm so glad you mentioned this on the podcast, because I drove like two hours from Davenport, Iowa, just. to meet you, you know, which was really cool, which is why we talk about our events. Did you, did you or Lisa bring a black iron skillet?

We did not. But I will say this, when you were telling the story last time, it made me think we have gone and bought black iron skillets and then just left them before. You know what I actually did after that? I moved a black cast iron skillet up to the three things I would take on a deserted island if I was trapped there. Because you can cook it on an open flame and it does great. It does fantastic.

That's exactly right. That's pretty good. So, Jays, we went from Iowa straight to Ireland. Oh, wow. The country of Ireland. I've never been before. Is that why you're donning the shirt? I am.

This was a souvenir shirt that Lisa bought for me, so I'm wearing my Irish shirt today. So now I have a shirt to wear on St. Patrick's Day, I guess it's green. But I've never been. I've been to Scotland because we filmed over there. the Duck Show, and then I've been to England two or three times, but I'd never been to Ireland. I always wanted to go. And it was really interesting because, like, we wound up, like, when we first got there,

it's really interesting because I drove all over Ireland on the left side of the road, which just think about that for a minute. Like, I've done it a little bit in the Bahamas, but there's, like, one road in Bahamas. But this is big cities, you know, the raw, from our perspective, the wrong side of the road. So the fact that I did it for one week and didn't wreck the car, I never hit anybody. Oh, and you drove on the wrong side? I drove on the wrong side for a week, Jay, is all over this place.

Could you understand the accent? Because they speak English, but it's, it's difficult. It is difficult. It is English, but it's definitely its own brand. And so I struggled with it. But we have some friends from L.A. that are film producers. They've been on the podcast before, Ann and Fellam. And they, they're, they're,

Irish, so they lived there six weeks in the summer. And so we stayed at their house. So here's what's interesting. So we wound up in Dublin the last couple of days, and it's very touristy. And it's just, you know, it's a nice place, but it was a big city with a bunch of bars in. It kind of reminded me of going to New Orleans or something like that. So that wasn't really the highlight of my trip. The highlight, we were up in the northern part of Ireland with Anna Phelham.

And I felt like we just kind of lived a week or five days of being Irish. Irish people. We went into people's homes. We met people, friends are theirs. We went into a couple of the pubs they have there and they're really interesting because they're kind of just gathering places for them. You know, really interesting. And we got to, probably the highlight of the thing for me was we got to go in a castle, which was there in Mullickmore, which is where their house is. And they just said, we're going to go to this castle. You know, in your mind, when you hear the word castle, you're thinking like something you'd see on TV with the, you know, like huge areas and and like, I don't know, where Batman would live or something.

I don't know. I didn't know what to expect. I had these things in my mind. Well, we go in there. It's just a person lived there. It was like a, I mean, it was big and like high ceilings and stuff, but it was just like they had a fire going, you know. And so we went in and she served us something to drink in the drawing room. We sat and visited.

They were telling us about the history of the place. And then she takes us in the dining room. This is a big, fancy dining room. And we go in there and we have Irish coffee and cake. you know, after that. And then she gave us a little tour of the place. But it was just stuff like that. It was really interesting.

One night we went and saw a play that was done by a local troop of Irish actors. And it was a famous Irish play called The Field. There's been a movie made about it, which I'm going to watch now. But it was really interesting. So you were talking about the accent. I'm watching this play. And I'm getting about every third word. Yeah.

It's almost like I'm listening in a foreign language. But, you know, I learned a lot about the Irish people because, you know, they've had a lot of war or a civil war over there, a lot of war with the Brits. And so it was very interesting to sort of get into their mindset. And they're all very intrigued and interested in American politics. And most of the questions I asked me were about Trump, which was interesting because they can't quite figure him out. You know, so they were, yeah.

I was like, well, good luck with that. I started to call Zach since he worked for him at one point. Now, did you speak over there? I didn't speak. No, we just, like, we were just tourists. Like, we were just the ones from me. Let's go to Ireland. Yeah.

Well, our friends were there, and they've been inviting us, so we're like, okay, we're going to go. I know you're my brother, but you just do some weird thing. Let's just go to Ireland. I just go to Ireland. I spent five days there. It's on the Irish coast, though, up north. That's a hard. That's a hard.

Five days is that. That's a lot of. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, and I had to break the Benjamin Franklin rule because we were staying with our friends for five days. And, you know, Benjamin Franklin said, gas are like fish. They stink after three days. And I broke the rule, but we had a great time. You know, when they lay out a spread every morning for breakfast,

it's not, you know, always like what we would have. It would be like some smoked salmon and, you know, meats and cheeses and stuff like that. One of my favorite people on the planet is Jim McGuigan. You remember he was a preacher back in the day. And I wondered where he would. Do you know what, like town? He was from northern Ireland. Well, it's just where I was at.

We used to tell stories. But when I first would hear him speak, I couldn't understand. Oh, it's so hard. For what he said. But he really taught me at a young age that the Bible's about a person. Yeah. That little jingle I use in a lot of my speeches where from Genesis to Malachi is about Jesus coming. Yeah.

And Matthew to John, Jesus is here. And actually the revelation, Jesus is coming back. I got that from him. But it just hit me like a ton of bricks. I was like, this is about a person. And so. So we later on in life, and he's still alive, although he's, you know, he's up in year. I think he's around 90.

But we got to be good friends, you know, in the Lord. And mainly digitally. I would love, and I don't know now that I could have that conversation with Jim, but I would love, now that I've been to Ireland, I would love to ask him questions because when we would talk about spiritual things, it was interesting because they sort of, Most of the people I was talking to, they were viewing things through the prism of just religious battle. Well, right, because that was the heritage. Exactly.

So they don't really, like, it's hard to find common ground to just have a conversation. Is it crazy that we're talking about this? And then at the root of this is love, you know, attaching it to God's will and him showing him, showing his disciples the full extent of his love. And then you have people who come out of that background where all they know about religion is fights and war and conflict. I mean, there's been a lot of bad things done in the name of religion and Christ, you know.

Well, and it was really interesting because we went to two or three pubs. And these are all in the town. This is kind of the local place. And then so Fellam, the last night we were there in his area, took me to an IRA pub, which was, this was the Irish Republican Army. So this is like the other side of the issue.

And so it was really interesting when you walk in there, he said, you're going to hear some, Irish Rebel songs tonight. And we went in, sure enough, this guy's singing all these old songs to them. I mean, they were new to me about their troubles and their fights and there are all the different things. And on the wall, there were all these pictures of these martyrs from their movement. And it just, I was fascinated by it because, you know, we have our own issues in America.

We've had a civil war. We've had a lot of stuff going on. But it was when you go into another culture and you learn about these things, especially that the backdrop of so much of it was religious stuff. It was very intriguing to me to be a part of that. Boy, that just, I had something happened to me in the airport that just infuriated me. I don't know why when you told that story, I thought, because it's just, it's hard for us to get along with people. I couldn't find my earphones, and we're going on, I'm going on a trip for a week, and I love listening to sermons, worship music.

I like those earphones. Couldn't find them. So I thought, well, I'll just buy some. So the first place we stopped in Dallas, I said, well, I'll just go in here. First little pub, you know, where I could buy something, which I knew I was going to pay way too much for them. Well, I didn't understand the concept of Bluetooth earphones. I get that from my dad, I guess. And so...

You're a low-tapped man, Jay, Jay's. Yeah, I go up over on the wall and it's like wireless. Because I always either... I have a little adapter. I plug them. into my phone or I plug it into my computer. Well, it said wireless, and I thought, is this going to be too much trouble? Well, there's a sign on the board with all these earphones that says, please ask an attendant

for help. It's the biggest sign on the wall. Well, right at my feet, there's a woman who obviously works there who she's stocking shelves. And I see a stack of these earphones. She's putting them up. I said, ma'am, can you help me? Because I'm wondering whether if I buy this, that I have the capabilities or give me a little tutorial on if I need wireless earphone.

I was wondering how that works. I mean, or does a wire come with it? I'm comfortable with the wire, you know? So it's like that selling point because it's like, everything said wireless. Well, she just looked at me. Said nothing. I went back to doing what she was doing. And I said, do you work here?

And she looked back up, nothing. I thought, well, I know she's hearing me. She's two feet from me. And so I said, does. Did she have earbuds in? Well, no. But I thought, well, you know, what would you do? I need help.

It's set. There's a sign in this store that says, please ask attendant. Don't do it on your own. assistance. And so I said, I need assistance. She looks up at me again. So when she looked the third time, I said, I thought maybe she doesn't speak English. And she shook her head, no. So Missy is over at the little rail, because she didn't come in the store, but it's an open rail. And I walk over and she said, what are you doing? And I was like, there's a sign. I tell her the whole story. And she's like, babe, buy them. They will be fine. I will. I will. I will. I will. I will. help you through it. I said, okay. So I go over there, grab the box. Well, when I grabbed the box, the same woman she hasn't moved, she looks up at me, and she moves to the checkout, because now I have a box. And so, I handed the box wasn't a problem. She scanned it. I look at the, she doesn't, the one language everybody understands. She doesn't sell words. And then, look, in the clearest English

you've ever heard, she said, would you like a receipt? Well, I looked over at Missy. She faked and no English. And I said, is that the only English phrase you know? And she said, no, I speak perfect English. I said, well, what happened over there a while ago? She said, would you like a receipt? I was like, why did you ignore me?

Yeah. You know, well, I guess I offended her, but I thought I was a victim of facial profile in here. So I just couldn't help. I couldn't let it go. I said, that sign said, ask attendant. That's the only reason I ask you. And she said, would you like a receipt?

And I said, well, on the box. So I said, well, let me, I went to open the box. She said, you can't open that box. And I was like, why not? And there was a sign right beside the one that says, please see a tenant that says, do not open box. So then I said, well, why would I need to? a receipt because I can't if I can't open the box before I leave the store because she said and

there's a no return policy she threw that in there I said so let me get this right I can't return it I can't open it to see if there's actually a so if you get outside and it's empty then you're just out I said well I got a question why would I need a receipt she said that's actually a valid point I said well I don't think I want the receipt so in that moment I was so infuriating that I thought, you know what? Jesus was about conversations. And I said, have you ever read the story of the Tower of Babel? And she said, I have no idea what that means.

I said, it's strange. It's how we got the different languages. I said, but fortunately, the creator of the universe came to this earth to let us speak one language that we could understand. She just had the strangest look. I said, check it out. Read the book of John. It's in the Bible.

She had the strangest look out. Oh, yeah. That was the conversation. That's the reason I told. That's the reason I tell my story, though, Zach, is because I drove all over another country on the wrong side of the road without incident. Jays can't make it through one airport without having a complete meltdown with a woman. No, I didn't have a meltdown.

But I'm impressed. And I brought up Jesus, and I thought, you know, I was so angry and I don't get angry. But I'm angry now just thinking about it. I saw you get angry when I yawned in one of your dissertations. I was angry then. And I didn't, I mean, you mentioned it four times after I did it too. So I knew. Like, that's the first time I've seen I've got under Jason's skin that I knew about.

He was deep in a rabbit hole of understanding. He looks up for Zach to be following. long close in Zach's that that's what he did he brought it up four times and then we had another kind of I say a good catch-up talk and

and you brought it up again he said and I want another thing catch-up talk Zach to your credit you apologize for yawning I think Maddie did you edit that out of the podcast when I looked at you and said did he just yawn she edited that out

look 99.9% of our podcast is not edited i will say that but we'll try to find and put it and put it back in so i think it should become a meme that when i chase a rabbit hole that zach finds boring we should just interject that you can push that button so i will say one thing about the power of the human mind you can you can trick yourself and driving on the wrong side but as soon as i landed in pensacola florida i got in my truck i pulled out of the parking thing, and I went into the left lane. Some woman

his head arrived for him. And I'm like, oh, no, I'm not in Ireland anymore. So it was the only time I went to a foreign country too. What did you think? I went to Arkansas. And it was, let me tell you. Maddie gave a look. Oh, you should see the lady.

She's from Arkansas. She looks like Jay's did when you yawn when you just said that. Well, I'm talking about parts unknown. I mean, it was, I mean, you know, it's a school in Arkansas. I went to the same school that Maddie went to. I know. But we left our little mountain town, which is known for their summer camps,

and drove 15 hours to the mountains to go to a summer camp, which was for the children's home that Jill serves on the board at, and we were out there for four or five days. But man, we were, you're talking about in the middle of nowhere. You get up into parts of the Ozark Mountains, and it's a different world, for sure. Isn't that crazy? We all left to crazy places,

and we were just trying to beat the heat. But, uh, well, and look, by the way, we, we wore jackets the whole time. It was, no, we were hot. We were at, but I'm going to tell you something. You want to talk about an unknown secret. I'm about to tell the world, but you get up into parts of the Ozark Mountains, and there's like no development, but it is some of the most beautiful part of the country that you ever see. Oh, it's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, it's incredible. I love it up there. All right. So we're back from our travels. We thought we regale you with some stories. Of course, no. Nothing, Jace is always going to have some crazy story.

Well, I mean, you can't make that up. Yeah. Look, it put my faith to the test. That was a faith test, and that could have gone awfully wrong. I'm wondering why she just ignored your first two questions. Just ignore me. Yeah. Well, I think she was busy.

Yeah. But, you know, I'm like, these airports, I know we've got to move on, but this stuff is so overpriced. Hell, yeah. And you would think if somebody's going to buy a, I spent $55 for those earphones. and I figured it out, but it's way more complex than the ones I had. I'd rather just plug it in.

Right. You know? I'm like, they should be, if I, if a human being walks in there and says, yeah, I'm going to buy some of those and you're getting paid for this, you should roll out a red carpet, play a band music,

or some kind of soothing music. And you know what was really bad? Is when we came back home and I landed right before my six hour nap because I'd had no sleep. I walked through the bedroom and I looked over on a little, we have a little love seat in our bedroom for some of no reason and that we never sit on. And there was my earphones, the ones I couldn't find,

just out like with light shining, here they were the whole time. And I thought, What's funny is I lost mine too right for this trip, but I've never found mine still. I thought there was a purpose for this, Al, but I'm really struggling. with what that was. But it was a test, and I wouldn't let it ruin.

Well, I will say one thing, because I spent a lot of time in airports, and I would say that, and I wouldn't say this about every single person, but I would say the common theme is most people that work at an airport in a store or a restaurant, act like they do not want to be there. Yeah, they do. So there is common. Would you want to be there? No, I wouldn't.

I mean. But it is a travesty that should be changed. I'm going to attempt to make a segue here. All right. I'm going to see this segue. Well, because I think when we did a whole podcast without the stories, I guess, about what I noticed, a connection with why Jesus came, why God the Father sent him, and understanding that what his will is. Why did he do that? I think it's a good question, and it came from, we're making a list of questions in John.

and this one in John 13 Verse 12 Which in my, the way I outline John This kicks off another little section The first one was like him Watching their feet And then them not quite understanding And then he's now going to take it to this next level

And he begins with this question He does and that's where we're at And I reference John 7 In verse 16 and 17 Because it says My teaching is not my own if it comes from him who sent me, and then it says, if anyone chooses to do God's will, that phrase.

Yeah. And so I did a rabbit hole every time it says that in the New Testament. And it says basically what Jesus says here. He will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. But in this case, when he asked, do you understand, there's so many passages that mirror that. And just the first one I think that pops in your head is Romans 12 1 and 2 when he says in view of God's mercy offer your bodies as living sacrifice holy and pleasing to God. This is your spiritual act of worship.

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Well, this next sentence, then you will be able to, test and approve what God's will is, his good, pleasing, and perfect will. And my point is, even like this silly airport story, I think a lot of Christians, they wake up every day, they're trying to look for God's will in these little situations. Well, I wonder what God's will is in this situation. But when you read in the Bible, when you start talking about God's will, it's connected

to be unlike Jesus and Jesus revealing the will of God in what he did. And in this case, John 13, he washed the disciples' feet saying, I'm leaving you an example that you should follow. And so I pointed out in Romans 13, when he goes through this love in your neighbor, and he goes, you know, talks about the commandments. But it's not what Jesus was introducing when he washed the disciples' feet is really a new definition of what it means to be holy. Because I think most people think being holy is not doing wrong.

He did just the opposite. He's like, watch what I do for you. He washed their feet, even the guy that was fixed to betray. And so I think that's what we've missed is we're thinking, oh, I want to be holy. That means I can't do anything wrong. No, being holy is often your body as a living sacrifice, which was the image of what he was betraying and washing the feet that would lead him to a cross.

And I find this interesting. You see the same language in 1st John 2, which is a very, it was something I had never noticed. So in 1st John 2, 15, it says, do not love the world or anything in the world, which sounds a lot like Roman swell. It's like, don't conform to the pattern of the world, but be transformed. Well, watch what this is. If anyone loves the world, when they start talking about love, which the whole book of First John is about love,

the love of the father is not any, which is why God came down in Jesus. He's showing that in John 13. And then it says, for everything in the world, the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes, and the boasting of what he has and does, comes not from the Father, but from the world. The world and its desires pass away.

But what's what this says? But the man who does the will of God lives forever. Why did Jesus come? John 1010, he come that he may have life. Why is he showing them the full extent of why he came through washing the disciples' feet, which he then just point blank says, as I have loved you,

you should love one another. I'm leaving you an example. And then he picks that up in John 15. Same vein, same line. Well, when you read First John from cover to cover, it has all the same elements in it, like in John 2 and verse 6. Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

Well, Jesus did some walking, but he also did some kneeling and wash their feet. I mean, isn't that fascinating? How that phrase keeps coming up with this idea of revealing God's love and his pursuit of us? Yeah, and I think it goes back to what we brought out

in the last podcast is that's because God is love, another quote from First John 4. Therefore, his nature is always going to be revealed in this way, which is why Jesus becomes that personification of it, which is what we're talking about. Well, I wanted to bring this up and see what y'all think if I can find my phone. So there's several new Christians that I have, I guess you would call them discipleship conversations with them.

And this one who's, I'd say he's been in about three months, and he read through John and he asked questions. And we went back and forth. He's like, where'd I go next? I mean, this guy, we are studying every night. And he sends me text at about the same time every night, about 11 o'clock. And then he's like, well, what's next?

And that went on for weeks. I was like, well, read the book of Acts. You read the book of Acts. Questions, you know. So he's like, where do I go next? I was like, why don't you go to First John? Because you read John, because that's what we're going to do. Right.

And so he sent me a question based on First John, which is where he's at now. And I wanted to read it because when you brought that First John 4 up, I thought it was fascinating. So he asked me a question about First John 5.1. which is something I really never thought about, but he says, I'm kind of confused about what 1 John 5-1 means. And when I read that text,

I thought, what does 1 John 5-1 say? So I went over here and read it. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. And everyone who loves the father, loves his child as well. So what is your initial, you know, I'm like, here's a guy he's 18 years old, he read that and he thought, what does that mean?

I mean, I would say the same thing we've been studying in John, that, I mean, if you believe Jesus is God, and he is from God, then you love him the same. I mean, that would have been my initial reaction. Yeah. So here's what I put, and y'all can jump in here. I put on 1 John 5-1, the whole overarching nature of God is love. Because you have, so you have 1 John 416 that you mentioned, it says,

and so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. God is love. He also says that in 4, 7, and 8. Yep. Dear friends, let us love one another. Well, this is the same phrase. for love comes from God, everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Whoever does not love does not know God because God is love, in which we did this before where what does it mean for us to know God? Well, what it means is when you try to get to know God, you realize, well, he's known you all alone and he knows you better than anyone else and when you try to pursue god when you find him you're like oh he's been pursuing me all along that's why jesus came so i kind of made that point but i just i want to continue reading what i said so i then put the whole overarching nature of god is love that is why i put this in parentheses god in his nature and i have to give that credit you know i've got a lot of this from him is three distinct persons but one God.

It points to the fact that God is love. And then I put read 1, John 4-8 and 1-John 4-16 again, which we just read. It's interesting that I was going to add a little caveat to that too, that the, so you hear the word believe, right? Anyone who believes that Jesus Christ has been born in God and whoever, and everyone who loves the father loves whoever, has been born of him. So if you believe, then you're, you're born of God.

I think we wrongly interpret the word belief. We think that this is merely a mental assent. Like, almost like a, like, I have, I have this acquisition in my cognition. I have this, I've acquired a certain, like, belief that I, okay, I believe that, two plus two is four. I got that information. It's almost like it's just information that you've acquired. I don't think that's what it means, though.

I think this is much more to your point of a relational belief. It's belief in God. It's trusting in its faith. And I actually believe God. I believe in Him. I believe like this is like where I put my hope. It's a knowledge. It's not a mental, just simply a mental assent.

It really is a relational connection, which I think is, if you were trying to unpack the word love, that's really what that, where love is. It's a relational connection, right? First, God loves us, then we love him back. So I think that's, it's more about that than it is just an intellectual assent. It's a participatory knowledge. Yeah, and you could say even Zach at a, at a lesser level of what faith is, I was, I was reading a book on this last trip I was on about the founding fathers. And, you know, every time I read, you know, what, what they did in the beginning, place in the birth of our nation, I mean, I believe in our ideals of America. I do. I mean, I believe them deeply. It motivates how I act. It motivates my citizenship. It motivates everything

because it's an ideal that I aspire to. And so I'm believing in it at a different level than just saying, you know, I believe that I like a, you know, fruit or something like that. I mean, it is something that is inspirational and aspirational at the same time. And I think that's the idea you get when you think about God. Well, here's what I found fascinating. So I continued with the text. I said, you know, because God in his nature has this multiplicity, I guess, but one, it defines what love is.

It must be shared. It is, you can't do it alone. And I threw in Genesis 2, 18, where it's like, it's not good for Adam to be alone. And he created Eve. And so, and I kind of put it in there, I know this is deep, but if you go back to what we read in John, and you, you'll see the whole point here. And so I, but I didn't get into the weeds of John. And I pointed out Galatians 522, you know, the first of the fruit of the spirit is love.

and I said even 1st Corinthians 13 I mean read that of course this is a new Christian he hadn't read first year in this 13 but I thought his response here's a guy I've been in about three months

so that's what I gave him those basically 1st John 4 7 I was like 1st John 4 7 says the exact thing 1st John 5 1 says and he is love I think bigger is what I was telling so listen to what he

what he put He said, I read everything last night. This is the next night. 1 John 4-8 and 1-Jong 4-16 together says God is love. Therefore, if you don't love, you don't know God. But if you do love, you do know God because he is love. He's basically preaching a sermon that that is right. I could tell he was excited.

I see what you're saying about 1 John 4-7 and 1st John 5-1. It says the exact same thing. This is what caught my attention. and the reason I'm bringing this up. He said, also, if you notice that in John 1334, well, we're in John 13, and I didn't bring that up. Yeah. He says, a new command I give you that you should love,

what does it say, John 1334, exactly. A new command, I give you love one another as I have loved you, so you must love one another. I'm telling you that excited me. Yeah, so good. Because I didn't even think about that in the moment, but I thought, you know, he went back to washing the disciples' feet. Now, who's teaching who here? He asked me a question, what does it mean?

And now he's applying to the picture of Jesus that he saw. Isn't that something that he went to John 13? But look, he doesn't stop there. Also notice that John 316 mirrors 1. John 4th, 4. and verse 10, where it says that he so loved us and sent his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Well, that does mirror John 316. Right. And that's something.

But I thought he's going back to John. Then he says, also he brings this out in John 15, 9 and 10, 12 and 13, and 1517, says similar things as well. So then he ends this with a question. Would you say that 1st Corinthians 13, because I threw that in to read it, is saying that without love we are nothing because love is God. And so without God, we're actually nothing. That's pretty good. I thought, now we're going places in the kingdom.

But my whole point of bringing that up is we need to. keep that thrill of an 18-year-old who's been in three months who discovered why God came down here. Yeah. He got it. And he, what's he going to do? I'm telling you what he's going to do. He's going to start loving people. Yep.

I mean, it was just fascinating to me where I'm thinking this guy I don't know anything. First John 5. It's not that hard to figure out. The next thing, you know, he reads a couple of verses, and it actually was just thrilling to me. And it shows you the power of God and the power of God's spirit in a person who's young, who's reading this for the first time and is thrilled about it. Which is why that... Go ahead, Zad.

I said, you got to really explain some of these terms that are in the Bible because people will use them and they don't have any meaning to them. Like the word love is one of the most important things. It is the most important word to define. and that word, as you have illustrated here, is defined by who God is, because in order for God to be love, that must be shared, to your point. There must be a lover. There must be a beloved. And then the spirit between them is actual love, too. And if you think about that, because I hear people all the time say, like, love, there's these people in our town that hold up signs that say love. And what they really mean when they hold these signs up is they're kind of protesting.

and they're saying, accept everything. Like there is, like, just love everything, except for those who disagree with them, right? But it's like when you paint love as just this idea that's floating around in the ethos, you really haven't defined anything. All you've done is you've taken a word, a biblical word,

and you've used it to try to attach some kind of context. But actually, if you think about it, it has no meaning. There is no such thing as love, without a lover and without a beloved, period. There is no love. There has to be, like someone says, it's all about love, but does that love love you back?

You know, is that God love you back. I mean, it's not, the words like God and love, they're not just floating around with no texture or context to them. They actually have a real tangible meaning behind them, and when it comes to God, it is a relational context. Well, and I would add to that, It is something that God chose before the beginning of time for humans to show, to do.

That's why I made the point about holiness. Because look, to put in context, this young man is 18, when I first met him three months ago, well, he was his story. I said, what's your story? And he's like, well, I'm out of crossroads. My buddies want me to join a gang. But there's something in me that I thought, where's this going to lead?

And he said, I'm familiar with y'all. And I just thought, I need to at least listen to what they have to offer and with the Lord. So here's a guy, 18, no father figure in his life, his buddies are wanting him to join a gang in South Texas. Well, where's that going to go? And now three months later, here's a new creation. And we're having a conversation about what love looks like,

in your life, which is the exact opposite of what was fixed to happen. You're going to see a lot of hate, destruction, violence, all of these types of things. And I think somehow we've missed this. You know, it's not just keeping him from that. It's look at what God is doing in his life. I mean, this guy's going to be a lover of people, and God's going to use him to bring other people, not only to live forever, but just make this world look like God's love is winning. Right. So, I mean, it's just, oh, it's powerful. So I want to advance this text because you've definitely hit the point here, Jay.

It's out of the question he asked in verse 12 of 13, do you understand what I've done for you? He says this to them. Now, you think about it in context of what we've been talking about with the idea of love. In other words, why Jesus did this. He tells them in verse 13, you call me teacher and Lord, and rightly so, for that is what I am. In other words, you're calling me these things because that's what I am. I'm your leader. I'm your teacher.

I'm your Lord. He's done the miracles. They follow him. But he says, now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also shall wash one another's feet. So in other words, what he's saying is, the reason you respect me and love me shouldn't be because of what I've done and who I am, but because of what I'm showing you I am.

I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent me. So he's back to that same theme again about being from the father. And this is all in response of,

do you understand what I have done for you? Exactly. He's explaining it. He's explaining it. Then he says, not that you know these things, now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them. So it's, again, it's this quid pro quo. In other words, if you want to lead people, you have to love people. If you want to set an example for people, you have to serve people. I mean, just he keeps

going back to those same things. Now listen to this, the next thing he says, because I want to get into this before we end this podcast. In verse 18, he says, I'm not referring to all of you. Now he's given a little preview of what's about to have him for the rest of this chapter. So he's talking about Judas is who he's, this is the hint here. But this is to fulfill the scripture, and this is from Psalm 41, he who shares my bread has lifted up his heel against me.

Yeah, which is Psalm 41.9. Of course, he said, I know those I have chosen. I'm not referring to all of you. I know those I have chosen. But what I find fascinating is he washed Judas' feet also. Correct. And when you go to Psalm 41, what's fascinating is you see the previous text. I'm going to say this slowly, because this is kind of crazy what I'm fixed to say.

He does refer to Judas in Psalm 41.9, and he quotes it here. Yep. What I found fascinating is the first 14 verses of John is really described in Psalm 40. Yeah. I was shocked. Now, I call it a random, because I read Psalm 41, which I'm sure you did. Right. And you want to read where he says that?

Yeah, verse 9. Well, and several times throughout the text, by the way, in Psalm 41 are a lot of positives about the Lord. You know, blessed these, he has regard for the week. He helps people in times of trouble. He protects. And then he gets down to verse 9. He says, even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread has lifted up his heel against me. So this is David, Psalm, but he's obviously now, that's a prophetic message for what Judas is going to do against Jesus.

Well, and now look, this goes back. When you see that word heal, this takes you. back to Genesis 315 and the fall of man exactly and the evil one which he's fixing to say at that moment that when when and it's such a I think a kind of an intimate almost funny in a way seeing because when he says when they're reclining at the table because because when he makes that announcement, he says, I am telling you in verse 19, before it happens so that when it does happen, you'll believe that I am. He's actually not in the Greek. It just says, I am. Yeah. So, which is another practical I am reference. Right. He says, I tell you the truth,

whoever accepts anyone I sinned, accepts me, and whoever accepts me accepts me, accepts the one who sent me. So after he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, I tell you the truth, one of you is going to betray me. So that's where this is headed with Judas. Well, this is the funny part. His disciples stared at one another at a loss to know which of them he meant. So just picture this scene and they're like, say what? Because I think we read this so much. We think, oh, well, they all knew. No, they didn't know. And he makes an announcement like that. Think how close they have become.

And they're with the creator of the universe here, even though they didn't understand all what that meant. So then this happens. One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, which is referring to John, everyone thinks, was reclining next to him. Well, Simon Peter starts doing charades over here. Because he's across the table and he can't talk to Jesus.

He motioned to this disciple. So he starts making some kind of, gestures like hey like pointing his finger like find out yeah who because you know you're you seem to be all his favorite and so ask him which one he means so whatever the sign language he was doing that's what he wanted to ask well leaning back against jesus so now he's kind of like let me do this work my magic here he asked him lord who is it So he just kind of cut through the chase. Jesus answered, it is the one to whom I will give the piece of bread

when I have dipped in the dish. Then dipping the piece of, did I say fish or dish? Dish. I have dipped it in the dish. Yeah. Then dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas to scare it, son of Simon. As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered him. And I think that's why he quoted Psalm 41.

Because he said the one. who I share my bread with. Yeah, he has lifted up his heel against me. When you go back to Genesis 315, one of the curses that he puts on the evil one for his role in this suggestion and the lie of saying, did God really say that if you eat of that tree, which led to Eve eating the fruit? And he refraims it, Jay, says, humanity says you will strike his heel and he will crush your head. That's Genesis 315, which is why we always reference that as the beginning of the revelation of the plan of God becoming human. It's the first glimpse we see, by the way, to your point, of the love of God post-fall is in this verse.

Which, by the way, answers a lot of questions that have gone awfully wrong about women. I mean, think of that verse in 1 Timothy 2, which is, probably one of the most controversial verses about, you know, a woman should learn in quietness in full submission. You know, he goes through that. Yeah. But it says, he makes a reference to verse 14 when he says, and Adam was not, the Eve was the one who sinned. And Adam was not the one deceived. It was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness with propriety. But he's making an analogy that goes back there because he said,

through this woman's seed, salvation will come. You don't want to underestimate the power of childbirth, not only one that produced Jesus, but also even in our culture. I mean, you take a Christian man and his wife, and they produce what children, which are literally coming forth from a woman. And you literally can change the world in making disciples through a natural birth,

and then training them in the Lord. Well, the thing about Paul statement, Galatians 4, he said, at this time was set fully when this man born of a woman, I mean, he even brought it up in that context. Oh, it infuriates me on all the doctrines that come from that. And look, I don't want to chase that rabbit hole. But I'm saying, I think we minimize the power of a mom and producing a child and that love that happens there.

And even with their husband, that love that happens, well, when you throw in all in the name of Jesus, I mean, think Ephesians 5. He gives that whole analogy of family and all. And then at the end, he's like, this is great. But I'm talking about Christ in the church and this marriage that we have that produces godly offspring. You know, when someone is born again, think going back to 1st John 5. I think it's an analogy that should be made. I really wanted to read that Psalm 40. Can we do that next time?

We're going to do it next time because there's also another Heel story that Zach and I did for our Hillsdale podcast in Genesis 25 and 28. It's very relevant to this as well. So we've got a lot more to talk about. Well, read Psalm 40 before we come back. I know that was in Psalm 41. Yeah. But if you read Psalm 40, you're going to see a combination of God's will and love,

just like we've been talking about for the last two podcasts. We'll pick it up there next time. Don't Unashame. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube, and be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.