Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1145 | Missy’s Anniversary Gift to Jase Goes Viral & How to Share Jesus in a Small Home

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

Jase gets a midnight rescue from a little old lady who pointed him in the right direction, and Al’s Ireland trip turns into a no-phone nightmare. The guys crack up over Gen Z’s lightning-fast thumbs and marvel at how God can use any size home for kingdom work, sparked by Jase and Missy’s tear-filled anniversary visit to their starter house. From budget meals to countless late-night Bible talks, they share how Jesus still fills those walls with ministry memories. The guys connect themes of humble service, everyday acts of love, and the Spirit’s daily presence across thousands of years from the Old Testament to the New.  In this episode: John 13, verses 12–20; Psalm 41, verse 9; Psalm 40, verses 1–17; Romans 8, verses 9–11; 1 Thessalonians 5, verse 4; Genesis 3, verse 15; John 6, verse 20; John 1, verse 1; 1 John 1, verse 1; Ephesians 4, verse 15; Ephesians 5, verses 1–2; Romans 13, verses 8–10 — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. I've found out, Jay's in the last, I guess, four days, maybe five since I got back from Ireland, that I am not my father's son when it comes to phone. I can't live without a phone anymore. Like, I could live without it, but I can't do without it if I'm traveling, trying to communicate with y'all. I can help you with that. Well, because here's what happened. So I'm in Ireland, and first the phone's working fine. Usually when you go overseas, we have some kind of plan. It just kicks into whatever the plan is, and then I can use my phone while I'm anywhere.

Well, it never happened this time. My phone surrendered to the country of Ireland. It just said, nope, I'm out. So I should have just buried. Well, at first I was happy because I was like, oh, man, I felt so free. You know, it's like five days without a phone. But the problem is I'm driving all over the thing. need a phone just of GPS.

I mean, you've got to go old-fashioned, though. How did people function? How do you find a map anymore? No, you find a person. No, but they, you know, they, yeah, that can barely understand them. Oh, look, I, I,

when we discussed our trips a couple of podcasts ago, I was in so much pain from my rock encounter on the stream. Because, look, I mean, I don't, I'm not really, Rejoicing your calamity. I just, every time you say it, I imagine your... No, you are. You're rejoicing God. Well, I guess I'm still...

I'm still dead in so far. You think... Yeah. Well, actually, I was going to say this the other day during the podcast, but I didn't want to do it. But it's like, it made me think of that Forrest Gump movie when he got shot in the rear end. In the butt. And that, yeah, in the butt. And it was like funny.

Yeah. But I learned something for those five days. Any part of your body? that is injured severely, it is excruciating. Yeah, yeah. And so you think about, what did I do?

I literally was in a plane all day, sitting in a very uncomfortable chair. Yeah, that's not. Air travel will be the worst thing with the back or buttock issue. And I'm not embellishing. And the plane got delayed. So by the time I got to that airport, Al, at 1230,

and well, on my team, they're all in baseball. And I had to go to a hotel. Oh, boy. You're solo. Well, I'm solo. There's no one with me.

You need a n-tri-a-shed. It's after midnight. Well, my assistant said, follow the signs. I never saw a sign that said anything about this airport. And I thought, what sign is she talking about? So I did what you're talking about. I googled it or whatever. Yeah, you did the map.

And, well, the problem was it just wasn't, I wasn't getting a signal wherever. So it would come in, and I knew I was close. And so I found myself outside the airport. Now look, in Philadelphia, and I've already told you, I had a lovely experience. But after midnight, and you're walking around out in the parking lot of the airport, everybody I saw, I would deem as shady. And the thing about it, Jay's, is some person is telling a story on their podcast and said the same thing about you. Yeah.

Well, I fit right in. And so, you know, there was an old lady sitting on a corner, just sitting on a bench. Yeah. And it was about 12.30. And I was like, I'm going to take my chance here. Because I was in your situation, but my phone won't work. It's tough. It's tough, dear. And I said, don't want to alarm you, but I'm looking for a Marriott out here in this parking lot.

And she said, I've stayed in that Marriott. She said, I've heard of that. I thought, that's interesting. that she's heard of it. I said, what direction, if you had to point in a direction from right here, this is old school.

I said, where would you point? So she put her finger up and she kind of scanned. Like she was a wiki board. And she was like, I'd go with that. So I just took off in that direction,

me and my bag, and sure enough, I come up to the back a building and I saw on the glass door entrance maria and I thought well I got it of course I walked up that door it was locked yeah so I walked around but sure sure enough she was right and that's how I found my place but what I'm said is I mean you got to have a sense of feeling you can't be controlled by this phone no you're right because either but here's the error we live in which is a blessing in some ways so I can't figure it out I can only I can only I can only

text if I have Wi-Fi. The phone will not work. So I'm trying to work on podcasts with y'all. I'm trying to send out messages. It's miserable. I'm driving home. I don't have any way to talk to anybody. And then my granddaughter last night takes another phone that's a newer version that Anna is one of the leftovers or something. I don't even know. And somehow, in my mind, like magic, like a leprechaun, she transferred everything from my old phone into this phone in about an hour. Yeah. It was incredible.

Well, that's the real way. I watched it. It was like, I was watching it happen. I mean, she's 17, but they know stuff. I was like, how would she even? I was like your mom, Zach. It was like I was watching something out of a fairy tale. And then all of a sudden, my life is better because today I could text you all.

As somebody who understands a little bit about technology, I'm like, yeah, it's not that complicated. I mean, literally, you put the phone next to the other phone and you push a button, then it just, it's not. I know. It's like, man. I'm like the first time dad watched it. It's like, what, you've discovered something that has actually been going on for about the last 15 years.

You're like, wow, this new technology is out there. It reminded me a dad standing there watching the fax machine the first time it worked. And he said, how? How does it? He said, you feed a piece of paper it that somewhere else. Wow, we're so far beyond that right now. I listened to a podcast last night with my kids. the

threat, the looming threat of AI and you think about how far advanced we are like what's what is like

we're on the press because I use a lot of AI stuff already and it is crazy where we're headed. I mean I think you're going to look

around about two years and I think we're all going to be like whoa, what just happened? Well that's my whole point. I'm going to go with divine

intelligence. I'm going with D.I. Divine. D.I. I'm going to write that. Well, because here's why.

at the end of the day when you look at Jesus, let's just, I've made this list before. If we still had a shirt. No home. Ow, no home. He said, hey, you want to follow me? I don't even have a place to lay my head. He had, had no phone.

They didn't even, this is back in. He never traveled over 100 miles, I believe. Yeah, I mean, you just look at the country. He actually didn't write a book. I get it, he is the word. Yeah, he is there. But he didn't go on a book tour. There was no media.

There was no microphones. He had no pedigree. His entourage was really kind of a lost group. Pretty tough entourage to as far as trying to be the smartest guy in the room. And he's the most, I mean, how would you describe the result of that? He is, I would say, the most known human ever to walk the planet, whether you believe in him or not. That's right. So I'm saying there's something to that.

I mean, look, we have... The thing about you're a, that's a great point. You're a person that everybody at some point makes a decision to accept or reject. Yeah. I mean, everybody. Yeah, whatever you view, your view of Jesus, that is going to reflect your entire life. That's right. Your philosophy on life.

There's only one of those. Well, I noticed a few days ago I was studying, you know, because we're in John, and you have the famous 7-I-M statements, but someone I was reading, I'm sorry, I wasn't planning on divulging this, but he had like seven I-am statements that were just that Jesus used in conversation. Because there's a bunch more than just the ones we can. Oh, yeah, I looked them up. There were three in John eight, where he says, I am, who I am.

or, you know, something like that. But another one was the story where the storm came up. And he doesn't say I am, but he made a point, and I got to thinking about it. I thought, that's a profound point. Here, now they're in a boat. The storm comes up. You remember when he's walking on the water. And he says, it is I.

Well, just think about that statement. It's a statement I've never used in my life. It is I about anything. But he was under the circumstance, there's a storm, and here's a human walking on the water. And they're like, is it? What is? And he's like, it is I. It is I, which is the equivalent of I am.

This is I. It is I. And so that's why he's find it fascinating when John, who wrote John, obviously, and he starts off. the beginning was the word. When he gets to first John, he's like, that which we saw from the beginning, it's like he changed the adjective to describe. It was so incredible. He's like, we saw it.

We saw this. He was having trouble personalizing it just because of everything that had happened. So we did another flip on that yesterday. I was meeting with some guys about some preaching stuff coming up at our church. and one of the suggestions they made, we did a drama years ago, and it was called He Is. And Gary Myers,

used to be our old worship leader back in the day, he had a song called He Is. It's very, very powerful. And I thought, well, that's just another I am. Because then they started running through all the He Is statements, you know, in the Gospels and the New Testament. I thought, well, that's just another version of I am. He is.

And then you say, he is this, he is that. You know, he is in. Well, there's actually one in John 13. where he says, I think where I am going, yeah. It's a subtle. When he says in 33, my children, I'll be with you only a little longer. You look for me and just as I tell the Jews, so I tell you now, where I am going. Right.

Well, you think, well, he just may be saying, I'm going there, but I think he used it on purpose. Because then he says it again in 36, where I am going. I mean, he constantly puts that in the verses subtly, which I think is awesome. So you tell that story, I had no idea you were going to tell the cell phone that we're dinosaurs. And I realize Zach's got to keep up, you know, because he's usually the smartest guy in the room. But when it comes to technology. He's the one that connects us to business and all that, right? Yeah, I mean, I'm just telling you, Zach, that's a road that at one point you're going to look up and realize you're about.

behind because these young people I'm already behind. Well, here's why. Because they're, you know, if you work out any part of your body, you see the results. Yeah. Well, these, the young people now

that are younger than 25, their thumbs are like the strongest part of their body. And they have an extra ligament or something that they're seeing, I read this recently. There's some kind of now a I hate to call it a mutation,

but it's something in their thumbs that is adding their more flexibility to the ability to do that, to your point. Yeah, one day when we get to the, you know, my 19, my 20-year-old producer over here is laughing as he's here and y'all say this. Well, what's interesting, I'm sure Matt is.

Tell your 20-year-old producer that, let's just say the Lord does not come back, you know, physically in the next couple hundred years. Somebody's going to dig up the grave, of one of these young people now, and they're like, see, it's evolution. Look at the thumbs. How your thought?

Let me see your thumbs. Oh, those are massive. They look like Arnold Schwarzenegger thumbs. I mean, these guys are. Well, when I'm texting my daughter, I'm like, did she have that message ready for them? It's a paragraph in less than five seconds that came my way, and I'm over here going one letter at a time thinking,

how did you do that so fast? Well, there's a big debate online on Twitter right now about a theological topic called a penal substitutionary atonement, which is not to get too deep into it. Exactly. But someone asks me. You use these phrases and look,

whenever time you do that, it short circuits my brain. I've never read that. I've never read that phrase in the Bible, and I've read it again so I can write it down. Write it down. Penal substitutionary atonement. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

What does that mean? Well, it's a biblical doctrine that there's a new book came out that's apparently challenging. Can I give a caveat again? Always look at a red flag when you take something in the Bible and then turn it into a category. Then take another category that we. comprise and then start arguing the categories. My point is this. My point is this is that I get a text from a college age kid.

What are your thoughts on penal substitutionary atonement? On text. And I'm like, it's like those kind of questions. These kids, but they can type so fast. They can have a pretty robust dialogue on an important or complex topic like that. And I don't even, I just get, if I get a question like that on text, I get them all the time, or email even, I just get particularly text because you're only doing it with your thumbs, I just get, like, paralyzed because I'm like, where, where, how do I, like, just, and I'll usually respond, call me.

Yeah. Because I'm like, I'm not going to get, I'm not going to give you the phone guy. I mean, I could break it down. Okay, Jesus, there was a washing of our sins. He took our place. what we deserve. You can break each word down and figure out. There's a penalty to sin.

Right. Well, why don't you just say that? He became a substitute. I don't like, I don't like categories. I mean, there's a verse in the Bible that I, that I like that says, don't add anything to or take. Well, you know, it is what it is. Let's read it. I mean, that's not what that verse means, but I don't know.

I get what you're saying. I mean, I was sort of kidding, but not really. But I want to tell this story, because that. brought up this phone and I know we want to get to John 13. But so my wife, I never shared this. You know, I recently had an anniversary. Oh, that's right. It came.

Congratulations, buddy. Because I know you are not sitting around. I was actually aware of it, Jay's. Because Lisa said the day before, she said, is tomorrow, Jason, Missy's anniversary? I said, what day? I lost track of days because we were on our trip. And she said, yeah, August 10th. It's a big number.

35 years. Yeah, that's right. So I got her. We were traveling all over the country. We basically didn't even, I don't even know if we were together on our anniversary. Yeah, yeah, we were. That was the one day we were. And so, you know, fortunately, I followed the rule.

I got her something. I looked around and thought, I guess we're just out of state. After 35 years, don't be alarmed if you're the only one handing out president. And look, I guess she knows I don't really care about that, you know. But her idea was, and this is quite the idea. I guess this was my present. It took me three days to figure that out. But she was like, look, I think what we should do tonight is, you know,

I have a relationship with a young couple who lives in the same house, our first house, that we lived in. She gave me the numbers from 1991 to 1997. And it was a, well, how can you forget this place? It was right on a corner where about three roads all intersect. That's correct. And they actually had to move before we bought the place. They had to move the driveway for the little house.

Because people would just drive right there. Yeah, and look, we got this house. It was a HUD house, which means you're poor. That's all you need to know. No money down in our payment a month because we had no money to put down. Our payment a month was $325 a month. That's what we paid. And that seemed like a lot back then, didn't it?

Well, yeah. So they had to move the driveway to the other side because people kept running the stop sign and crashing into their cars parked in the driveway. So they had just redone this, which was like the big move here. And so we called that because it was lower because it was the driveway. So it was called the pit. Yeah. Because it was just you stepped down into the pit, which used to be the driveway.

But anyway, so she said, well. We did a lot of ministry in that house. Oh, my goodness. I mean, those early days. So that was the thought. She's like, they're fixed to sell it. She said, I reached out to them four years ago because the husband is a worship minister. And she's like, they just reminded me of us.

we met them at because we we go to different various local churches i think i've been to everyone in westward at some point and so but but i wasn't putting the faces she just said a young couple he's a worship minister and she's like they're fixed to sell the house and they've been there for about the time we were and she said i think it would be good she invited us to come and see it before they move out. So I was like, okay. I mean, I was a little bit. I thought, this is kind of weird.

You weren't quite as excited as she was about the prospect. I thought, that's why it took me three days to realize this was the present. So we would be like, great, man. Something else I have to do. So we pull up. Now, you got to remember, even though I'm still living this town and I drive by it all the time. And I noticed they fixed it up. It's way nicer than we had it.

And Al, it's been 35 years since I've been there. That you step foot. Yeah, we moved into that place. Every time I pass by there, I think about y'all living there. Yeah. And so, Al, I walked in and just a chill hit me. Because they had remodeled it and looked a hundred times better when we did. And all those memories flooded back.

And all the house churches, the Bible talks. So we go through and start talking about, well, what happened was we just instantly started telling stories about what happened, you know. and we spent about an hour there. And just lovely, they reminded us of us. The younger version. Well, you know, I'm sure he's not making a whole lot of money, being a worship minister or whatever,

but this was their starter house, and they're fixed to move up. So, well, you know what it ended with, us in a circle, with both women, tears just flowing down their faces, and just talking about how tough life is, you know, when you start off as a new married couple, and we had shared all these stories about Jesus, and they were kind of moved by the stories we were telling.

Because, I mean, it was literally hundreds of people came through there and came to Christ. So Missy, like, posted. She kind of tells that story on her social media, and she's like, babe, that has gone viral. Because what happened is the hundreds of people I just talked about, well, they read the post, and then it became a story time on there.

They're telling all the experiences they had there. It was just so surreal remembering back then. And Missy brought up all the pictures, which, I mean, she had a whole presentation for this couple. Yeah. She put up all these pictures of us. I didn't even have a beard. I was like, well, who's that guy?

And she's like, babe, that's you. I did not recognize myself. I was like, when was this? Because I was trying to figure out the timing of it all. And then we had pictures of Reed. That's where we had Reed, our first born. But anything that showed the house, she had the pitchers.

Right. And so she actually had one just of her belly when she was pregnant with Reed, you know, which was a little awkward to be sharing with people. But I thought, I get it. And it was a wonderful experience. And it brought us just a flood. It brought a flood of memories of all these wacky conversions. I mean, several of them that we had actually forgotten and just relived.

And it was a wonderful experience. So I don't know how. to describe that, but it just made me realize we had nothing, no money, just completely trusting in the Lord. Yeah. And he just sent them our way. I mean, I know I was actively sharing Jesus with my friends and all, but when, and it was just every night.

Right. And it led to Missy telling a funny story and all in the story with this, but she, she one day put a sign on our outside door and, and, and, and, put from Sunday at noon to five, we do not want to be disturbed. She put that on the door. And one of the new brothers got offended because he showed up and went to knock. And we laughed about that because she said, you know, I just, there was no type. People were coming at midnight.

And we were newly married, which was a lot to put on a newly married. And we had a house, a few blocks from y'all. at this exact same time, and it was just like y'all in ministry, house. And we were back and forth at each other's houses. But, you know, I thought about this. Actually, Jason, we're not going to get there, you know, in the next few podcasts. But in John 14, when Jesus uses the metaphor in my father's house or many rooms,

which there's a lot of theology that's been built off of that. It's not very good. But I thought about some of those early homes, because I can remember every home I've had in Westman Row. Yeah. Because I tie each one of them. of them to what happened there in a spiritual sense. And the first house that we kind of built,

it was actually the second house we built, but the first one that was like a big home that's like, man, we finally have something we can really do ministry in. We'd like, before we put the walls up and stuff, because they were building it, I had our house church go out

and we wrote scriptures all over the studs on the inside of the walls, and they painted them on the floor. And because, you know, Lindy was in our group there, and she's like an artist. And just a lot of really, stuff. And there are stuff that's like people put post-its inside those walls. Well, they're all still there. Yeah. And like there's three people since then. But when, when Alex and Vinny bought that

house from us when they moved up in this area, and when they sold a house, they told this couple about that because they were obviously spiritually minded people. And she said, I knew God sent us to this place. So even just, I mean, it's just, it's, it's wood and siding or, you know, brick and mortar of these houses. But if it's a place where you're raising your family to serve God and there's community that happens there, those are special memories. I mean,

well, that's what led out, though, women crying. And look, I have to admit, me and the worship leader, we got a little misty eye.

But Missy said, Jesus is in these walls. Yeah. And you all remind us of us. And we just, I mean, look, that's the first time I ever met these people and we're gathered around in a

circle. But now you have a connection. and so. Oh, it was, I thought it was awesome. But it, to your point, the reason I brought it up, we didn't have any technology or, or, no, look, we just were declaring Jesus and guess what? They just showed up. Yeah.

You want to have a movement. Jesus is the key, is what I'm trying to say. And you don't have to have the right setup either. I mean, that's the, that's a key part of it. I think a lot of people think, man, if I just need a better setup, I need a bigger living room, I need a bigger this or that or I wouldn't have the parking or whatever the thing that you think would hold your home back from being a place of respite and a place for the kingdom work to be going on and for Jesus to be present.

I mean, we're two or three gathered. You know, Jill and I, when we were living in Louisiana, we planted a church with the big church there, but we took a group over to campus of ULM. and that whole college ministry, that whole time that we did, we were over there for several years, and we saw a lot of people come to Christ, but it all started. We were living in a single wide trailer next to a buddy of mine's house,

and that's actually in that living room that was super small. It started with four guys in a Bible study, and from there is where that church really kind of started out of. Well, when we went and merged with the other one. But I thought, man, you don't have to have the right setup. You just have to have a willing heart. And if you don't have a ton of money, you don't have a ton of food, well, make peanut butter and jellies,

make bacon and eggs, make beans and rice. I mean, just whatever you have, you use it. And God tends to show up when that happens. Well, it's so weird you're saying that. But remind us just in our conversation, because she's like, I mean, that's the place where you fried potatoes every night for two years. That is a true fact.

I fried potatoes. every night for two years. Because it's cheap and it fills you up. Well, and all the people came. They're like, man, who doesn't like french fries? And these are homemade French fries. I was like, and potatoes, I mean, trust me, if they kill you, I took 10 years off my life.

We ate them every night. That was the hors d'oeuvre. There was nothing else. It was just fried potatoes. They came in and everybody, they started grabbing. And we've talked about that. We learned that from our parents, because we saw them do the exact same thing.

And it didn't matter about the house. And in our case, the mom and dad's place, which is still the place that's out there on the river, you know, so many memories. Recently, Lisa and I did a marriage series, and the people that were there suggested that we filmed in the living room at mom and dad's house. And it just, I never had thought about that.

And I thought, oh, man. So we walked in, like, because mom and dad aren't, they don't live there anymore. And so whenever I went back in there, my first thought was this is where Lisa and I started dating was right here in this living room. Same living room. I mean, it's been added into. And this, the memories flooded back of all the same exact things we're talking about with our own, once we kind of developed our own individuality and spiritual walk. But we had that with them.

We had the groups. We had the people. So it's just that's the idea is passing that forward. I love your point, Zach. You don't have to have a mansion to be able to do it. In fact, you're probably going to reach way more people if it's not like that. If it's just to place people feel comfortable coming into. Or a beard, which for me was a traumatic shot looking at what I used to look like,

which was terrifying. And, you know, a lot of people, she was reading some of those comments because they gathered like within the segment of whatever the, I don't even know how to describe it. the social media posts. Right. So they were like exchanging memories. But what I'm put, you know,

we're the hands and feet of Jesus, but, you know, after reading John 13, you know, we're kind of like the toenails and the fingernails of Jesus because everything's in his hands. And it's him working. And I think that, I didn't read that somewhere.

It's my depiction because despite all our flaws. Which is why we have to be clipped from time to time, right? To use your analogy. Exactly. I come up with a little metaphor. The toenails and fingernails of Jesus. And get a lot of dirt under there, too. So then that's the segue, I guess, back to John 13,

is because, Judge, you made a big point in the last podcast about the will of God being connected to the love of God. And so we were in the text in John 13, 12, through 20, which is, you know, this section of Jesus is saying, you have to pay this forward. And he makes an interesting comment because he quotes Psalm 419, which we read. Oh, yeah.

About, you know, he's talking about he's about to get into Judas and then later Peter, which is very disheartening when these guys, like, we're getting up to the major moment and he's like, oh, yeah, by the way, one of he's going to betray me

and one of he's going to deny me. That's, you know, that's fixing to happen. And so before he does that, he quotes this, Isaiah 419, and so Jason left us hanging on Psalm 40, so I'm going to let him read it. Or you quote Psalm 419. I mean Psalm.

I wanted to read this 40 because I read Psalm 419, and for some odd reason, when I did the rabbit hole on the will of God, Psalm 40 came up. So that's how I came up with that, and I thought, well, huh, he quoted Psalm 41. Listen to this Psalm. Look, I know.

And these are both Psalms of David. You're always taking a risk reading this. This is absolutely fantastic in light of John 13. He says, I waited patiently for the Lord. He turned to me and heard my cry. He lifted me out of the slimy pit out of the mud and mire. I've heard that so many times. There's his old songs that written about that.

He set my feet, which you have toenails, there you go, on a rock and gave me a firm place to stand. He put a new song in my mouth, a hymn of praise to our God. many will see in fear and put their trust in the Lord which remember that's the whole idea of Jesus being the word yeah the communication aspect of God is he wants you to trust him yeah I mean he gave him the law trust me follow this everything will work out they weren't they were not faithful right here comes

Jesus what does he do I am the word trust me watch what I did you want to see what God is like so that trust is big there Verse four, blessed is the man who makes the Lord his trust, who does not look to the proud or to those who turn aside to false gods. Many, O Lord, my God, are the wonders you have done, the things you plan for us. No one can recount to you were I to speak and tell of them. They would be too many to declare. Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but my ears you have pierced.

or there's an alternate, yeah, have been open. Think about it. He opens your heart and your mind and your ears. Burn offerings and sin offerings you did not require. Then I said, here I am. I have come. It is written about me in the scroll, or an alternate translation. Come with the scroll written for me, which I thought was interesting.

I desire, here we go. Verse 8, to do your will. Oh, my God. Your law is within my heart. Well, when you look at what Jesus is law, how he fulfilled the old law, you get into this law of love, which now we're back to Romans 13, which is right after Romans 12 talking about his will be transformed. I just think there's too many connections here. That's why I had to read this. I proclaim righteousness in the great assembly.

I do not seal my lips, as you know, O Lord. I do not hide your righteousness in my heart. I speak of your faithfulness and salvation. That's why I'm getting to this point that this was love displayed, him washing the feet of the disciples, leaving an example. Which fits the whole discussion we were having about the homes. I mean, what was special about that home you visited was what happened there. You can't follow Jesus.

Look, the top three thoughts that I had, epiphanies in my life. And one night as a 16-year-old struggling to live as a Christian, I had a thought. I am not going to be able to be a disciple of Jesus quietly because that was my comfort zone. I didn't want to ruffle any feathers. I didn't, you know, it was shy by nature. I was shy by nature.

But that thought, I mean, it just goes right in with it. He's having the same epiphany. I cannot hide this. Yeah, that's good. It's undoable. Then it says, here we go, second part of 10, after he just said, I desire to do your will, well, look you here. Remember what I said earlier in the podcast?

Whenever you see the will of God, love is hovering. He says in the second part of 10, I do not conceal your love and your truth from the great assembly. Remember Paul's charge in Ephesians 4? Speak the truth in love. In love. And then chapter 5, 1 and 2, what does he say in Ephesians? live a life of love, just as Christ loved you.

It's the same narrative. And he says that he uses the word, follow the example of Christ, which is the words Jesus used in John 13. Yeah, and what I'm proposing, you're saying, how big is what you're proposing? I'm telling you it is a theme line of the entire Bible. Yeah.

Whenever you go down this road and you'll never be able to unsee this, because trust me, I spent hours going through this. Do not withhold your mercy from me, O Lord. May your love and your truth always protect me. For troubles without numbers surround me. My sins have overtaken me and I cannot see. They are more than the hairs of my head and my heart fails within me. I mean, does this not just absolutely describe that God in the midst of his enemies

uses us in the midst of our struggles, which you're going to see this. picture play out at the end with Mary, Thomas, and Peter how what Jesus did produce not only love and forgiveness, but a mission that I'm going to use them. Because in their responses to him being resurrected, it's like you see their flaws or see their weaknesses. Like with Mary, it was her tears. With Thomas, it was his doubts. With Peter, it was his denial.

He had just denied him. And it's predicted here in John 13. Which is interesting, Jay's that it's just a lot of. large picture of the Psalms, they give you David's heart, and you can compare these Psalms against the history of reading and, you know, First and St. King's first exam on what was happening in his life, and you can see how, you know, you see the events of his life, but then you see what he's thinking inside. It's very, very powerful. Well, in this next verse, now, you know, I don't want to overstate my case, but I'm fixing to. This verse says, be pleased,

Lord to save me. Oh, Lord, come quickly to help me. And look, 99% of the time when you read something like that, we're thinking from our religious background in America, oh, one day the Lord is going to come and save me. Or we might use it in our initial surrender to Christ, like, oh, he came and save me. And then I have to wait. And then he's going to come really save me when he comes and gets me. but the more I read and the more I go down through the rabbit hole about unless I go, the whole reason I came is so I can return to the Father. And unless I go, which we're going to be introduced to him giving us his spirit. Yeah, 14.

Hey, he comes every day. Yeah. In the way we live, love, that love, we can't take ownership of that. It's a contagion that comes from God that's passed on to us. And he literally is coming every day in your life as you're walking around the planet pointing people to Jesus. I mean, I think that's the mindset. You know what it is?

It's the old line that whenever they came up with this product called O'Lean, and they put it into, it turned out to be not healthy, but they put it in chips. And all of a sudden you could eat chips without like the supposedly bad stuff in them. And Willie said that to Rick Fortinberry. He said, chips are back, baby. And Rick said, they never left. Oh, exactly. Well, that's what I'm saying.

I mean, that's Jesus. Like, he's coming back. It's like, wait a minute. He never left. It's not that he's coming every day, but because of the coming of the Holy Spirit, like, he's here. He's present. Well, that's my point, Zach. It's like, well, you have obscure verses like 1stst, lines 5'4 that says, well, don't be surprised

that the Lord's coming. Like, it shouldn't surprise you? Yeah. Why shouldn't it surprise you? Because he's in you every day, his spirit. You're being constantly reminded of this connection of heaven and earth and humans meeting in a human body through his spirit. So that's what my point is. I just feel like we want to go to use one of your words that is in the Bible, Epicurean,

where God's a million miles away, and one day we may see him, and he just cut us off and we're oblivious. You know, he's oblivious. We're oblivious of any power. And it's just so untrue based on what Jesus is sharing here in John 13. And David is echoing hundreds of years before. I mean, what's he talking about? Come and save him.

Help me. He wants his presence in his life to change him. May all who seek to take my life be put to shame and confusion. And Jesus is going to get to this in John 15. He's going to give them the same speech that David is getting. If you go public for Jesus, there's going to be trouble. I mean, we got all misty-eyed about being in that old house, but it also reminded me of how much persecution and opposition we endured.

Every day. And we don't have any money. It was all the struggle. And we were crying out like David. Lord, how about a little help here? Well, as I said, on a previous podcast, I was reading through the comments, and it's funny that you're talking about this, because you're you're talking about like salvation,

kind of understanding salvation is you get this thing that you do one time as opposed to like this living with Christ thing idea, like Christ's living in you and being in you through the spirit. And this one of the comments said that we don't understand the book of Romans. So the book of Romans is the doctrine of grace. And I'm like, but that's not all it is. I mean, you read Romans chapter 8. And it makes this incredible, paints a beautiful picture of beyond just our justification.

Yes, we receive grace in our justification, but we also receive grace in that God is now going to take up residence in the bodies of people. And when he uses the language of the Holy Spirit in Romans 8,9, he says, you're not of the realm of the flesh, but are of the realm of the spirit, if indeed the spirit of God lives in you. And by the way, that's a capital S. He's talking about the Holy Spirit here. And if anyone does not have the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ,

so he's identifying the Holy Spirit with the Spirit of Christ, they don't belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his spirit who lives in you. So the language is so clear in Romans 8.

And so the point is one of the big points of the book of Romans. It's not just a doctrine about grace. I mean, I think that's the limit it. This is a revelation of Christ is going to live and take up his residence in the bodies of believers. And that's exactly what you're talking about. And I think that's really good news for those of us who are in Christ Jesus because we don't have to have a spirit of fear or timidity anymore. We can actually look at our Heavenly Father and cry out, Abba, Father,

because we have a spirit of sonship because we're connected with Christ. Yeah, I think that's a great point, though. So I want to finish reading this. So it says, may all who seek, this is verse 14, to take my life, be put to shame and confusion, may all who desire my ruin be turned back into disgrace. disgrace. And then verse 15 is interesting. It says, may those who say to me, aha, aha, did you know I went down a rabbit hole on that? It's all over the place in the Old Testament. Look, and it's always in a

context of where non-believers who don't believe that there is a God or he cares about humans, when they see something bad happen to people who are believers, they go, aha. Aha. See, this is a joke. If there was a God, this wouldn't happen. By the way, they're still doing that. The three friends of Job embodied, aha. And I thought, man, we need some kind of T-shirt that goes against that in a Jesus way. Because now we use ha-ha.

That's like the ha-ha. You may use it for, yeah, that was kind of funny, but not really. That's usually when I use it. When I say ha, that means they thought this was funny, but I didn't. But they, they, in their culture, it was, aha, we got you. You're a hypocrite because why are these bad things happening? Which I just thought that was interesting. And it still goes on.

May they be appalled at their own shame, which I did notice too when I saw all the places where that's used. It always says that that is to their shame. That word shame. They're showing their shame for taking on the God of the universe and him working. in people. Right. I just think it's really interesting. And I wanted to read this song.

I've always flipped that day's because I thought, so what you're telling me is we're both going to face hard times and things we can't explain, but you're telling me it's better to not have faith in something bigger than myself than to be like you with the ahas and have nothing to face it with? Yeah. Don't go there with me. That makes no sense to me. Well, I use that as motivation.

It's like, I mean, one of the stories that we. we told at that little house with them. Because I was like, how are your neighbors? And they were like, eh. And I was like, well, that's lived on. It's so funny because I said, you know, my greatest. Some houses that have the ministry blessing apparently have the other side of the coin. I told them, I said, the greatest struggle in our marriage, obviously at that time,

was Missy and I being so kind of detached, this newly married, because it was just so busy. There was no alone time. And Missy told a couple of funny stories that I laugh so much because what happens is when you hear that story in here, there's hundreds of people coming to Christ. Well, what happened is when you're involved with hundreds of young people and they're coming to Christ, you start hearing what they're doing behind closed doors

and then see. It ain't pretty. Oh, all of us. sudden I'm like, man, I need a counselor. But I'm like, well, I have the Holy Spirit. And I remember one night, there was two girls that got in a fight, young Christians, they're both in the Lord, and they got in a hair-pulling fist fight in our presence. And so I looked at Mississippi, and I was like, you need to talk to them.

Well, yeah, you think? What gave you that? I did a good talking to it. And so she goes in there and talks to them because I was having, I think we were sharing with people I was that they weren't in Christ yet. I was like, well, I can't handle that.

I know that's extreme. They're literally having a fight. You got to remember, we're in our early 20s. She comes back and says, can I talk to you for a second? And I'm like, sure. She's like, they started sharing their life and she started naming the things.

I mean, just as bad as, it gets. And she's like, I'm not qualified to these people need. What she's saying is hair pulling is the least of the race. And she said, well, I'm like on the edge of my seat. I said, what did I say it? And she said, you looked at me and said, you have the Holy Spirit. You're qualified.

Deal with it. And she said, I got teared up. And I thought, I guess I'm just going to have to do it. Yeah, and so she did. I was like, you know, this is where we're at. But, to anyway, I know we're almost out of time. You can't fix it. I was going to tell the other story about my neighbors.

The other struggle was loving my neighbors. But I eventually shared Jesus with all of them. And a few people out of that house were led to Jesus. Exactly. So I'll read the last two verses. But may all who seek you will remember the whole rabbit hole we did that when you seek him, you will find out that he's been seeking you all along. That's it.

That's why he came. That is his will out of love. Go back to the story about Zacchaeus. You'll see that. Rejoice and be glad in you. May those who love your salvation, which is that contagious love. Look, the Lord be exalted, which is where John 13-3 started. Everything's in his hands.

Yet I am poor and needy. May the Lord think of me. You are my help and my deliverer. Oh, my God, do not delay. What a picture. of the Old Testament. So that leads us back into 41, which we made the point last time, and I'll leave it here. We'll pick it up next time that when you read Genesis 315, you see sin into the world, the idea of Jesus crushing, you know, the one who has the power of death

because of his love for coming here, and the idea that you would strike his heel. And so that's the metaphor that he used. So we'll pick it up next time and flesh this out some more. wonderful text, John 13. To see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by

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