Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1149 | Jase Turns a Rowdy Weekend with Willie & Uncle Si into Miss Kay’s Perfect Surprise

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

Willie, Uncle Si, and Jase spend a rowdy boys-only weekend filled with frogs, cards, and chaos while Missy is out of town. Jase makes a leap that supposedly ends his frog-hunting career, but he still manages to bring Miss Kay the perfect treat. Zach offers exercise tips to help injury-prone Jase that are not-so-politely ignored, and Al gets the guys back on track for John 13 and 14, where Jesus commands his followers to love one another and shows that being troubled is a natural part of the human condition. Chapters: 00:00–06:30 Jase’s Birthday Without Missy 06:31–14:36 The Frog Hunt That Ends Jase’s Career 14:37–18:52 Poker Chaos with Si and Willie 18:53–36:45 The New Command: Love One Another 36:46–46:25 What Does it Mean to be Troubled? 46:26–56:31 Jesus Shows Trouble is a Human Condition — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I don't know what are you with. Are you starting or you want me to start? I was going to just ask. Unashamed. I'm sorry. I stepped in too early. Well, it was a weird start because I look up in the, I got a picture of Jace over here and you're doing stretches. And my question is, is something wrong with your back? What's the, what's going on? I love how there's no sacred spaces in it. Everything must go public. I had to do some stretching before I sat down.

I told you I had an encounter with a rock in Colorado. Which, Zais, you know what this tells me is that Zach, when we think he's listening, when we're like talking on the podcast and telling stories, he's not listening. Because you told the whole thing, and he's like, Jason's injured? Like, he missed that whole segment. I have that issue, and then over the weekend, I developed another issue. I don't know if you want to hear it, but it's kind of embarrassing. But really, if it's a back issue, I do want to hear it, but I'm going to tell you what you were doing.

If it's a back issue, what you were doing was the wrong thing. No. So you're right. Here's what happened. For the first time in my life, since I've been married, I guess. So we're going back 35 years And we're going to wait back

And we dated three years So you can include those In 38 years of being with my wife In some capacity She has always been with me on my birthday But this year she got invited To read her book The little brave book

Because we're family Or because you're my family I think it's the name of She got invited to read that at the Library of Congress in our capital, Washington, D.C. Yeah, we're going to have her own to talk about this. All right, well, fantastic. And she gave me an update, sidebar, that evidently whatever's happening in Washington, D.C.,

you know, Trump said he was going to clean it up. She's like, it looked perfectly fine. She walked the streets. She said, I did see a few National Guard members, and she thanked them for their service. but so evidently uh so missy's giving the thumbs up on the uh cleaning out of the yeah she was like it was crime free vagrant free just people walking around and see she was really proud of it so anyway so what happened was i got a text like three or four days ago and they're like hey we want to do a surprise birthday party for you and play cards

and I thought, my response was, well, this is no longer a surprise since you're telling them. That's a good point. Yeah, they needed a place to have the party, and they heard that my wife was out of town. That was a surprise. Which turned into like a weekend at Jases, you know, kind of like a, I don't know.

I was telling my good buddy Barrett about this, and he said, because I just told him, what happened. I was like, we played cards all night. I had a wonderful meal that Jay, your son-in-law provided. I mean, he went over the top because it was my birthday. Then I got up really early

and went and played golf, and then I crashed and burned when I got back. It took a nap. And then we went frog hunting for my birthday. That was Jay's gift to me. It was like, he's like a man reaches a certain age.

We can't give a gift. you give an experience so we went frog hunting and so then you know the next day was Sunday which I spoke last night at Willie's what they called the hub I think it was fantastic it was packed electricity in the air so I had to get they gave me a topic so I had to prepare for that yesterday so it was a long weekend but my buddy Barrett said Jay's you're probably the only man on this planet that had this kind of party for a weekend and there was no alcohol involved. And I kind of hesitated. I thought, you're right.

There was not a drop of football. But if you would have stumbled upon us at the card game or the frog hunt, you would have thought we were drunk because I have not laughed that hard during that car game. Al, we had me, sigh. Oh, boy. Willie. Oh, Willie's a good, then. Yeah, Jeff. You know, Phil McMill, the infamous Uduck Dynasty Lifelong watchers will remember him.

He was there stirring the pot. And then like about five of his buddies who are about like him. And they were the laughing gallery. And so it was a lot of fun. During the frog hunt is where I encountered an injury. And I really, I'll make, I'll go public with this announcement, which is hard for me to say. This has been my, Al, I know we're going to talk about being troubled in spirit.

We are. I had an encounter during the frog hunt. And I didn't say anything to Jay. They don't even know anything about it. And they actually made a video of this thing. It's on Duck Commander. You can watch it, the frog hunt. but something happened that I didn't tell Jay

you know because I just got up and acted like no big deal but it made me want to want to reveal this announcement so I didn't miss a frog there were two that jumped before we got there well one of the ones that jumped before we got to him you know I've always told people when a frog jumps you jump and it was my birthday but I'm no spring chicken

get it but when the frog well we do know a lot about chickens though we do by the way the frog turned his back and jumped up the bank and it was a real steep bank

there was logs laying around and just my DNA I just jumped as far as I could and I was about a foot short but when I landed it literally felt like every bone in my body just broke. I mean, it just, when I hit the ground, it was just,

but I jumped up because when I hit the ground, of course, he jumped, I guarantee he would have set a world record for as far as you've ever seen a frog jump. He saw me jumping. I mean, he soared. He was a spring chicken jet. And I knew in that moment, just the way I felt, and that was as far as I could jump, but I was a foot short. I thought, you know what? I think I'm going to retire from this position, because there's three positions to be a successful frog hunter.

You got a motor man, which is what Jay did. You got to have an ice chest man, which can be any human, which was our cameraman. He would quit film, open, you know, one, two, three. You'd think it's easy, but he messed up. step twice. Like he opened it on two, frog jumped out, now we've got to catch one that we've already caught. And you got to catch her.

But I think I'm at an age because that, so that's why I'm stove up. It was just one leap. And they got it on film. I noticed they ran that in the little video. And it doesn't look that bad when I looked at it, because I thought, oh, did you like posture up, like in pain? I never

gave any impression. that there was any pain. That was such a dad thing to do, Jay. That's exactly. But the pain was in the back? Is that where the pain was centrally located? You know, I hate to tell you this, Zach, it was since you're trying to diagnose this, it was all over. It literally was from my toes to the top of my head.

It just felt like I was broken in half. Well, your problem is that you're doing the stretch as if you, this is your whole problem. it's your core you have you have to work on your core you think it's everywhere else the you have a weak core so i've got oh i'm telling you i've pay you need to i can give you about four exercises that you do daily no here's what i'm saying i think you reach an age is kind of like eating an apple when you get to the core you chunk that out in the yard and say okay it's over The core is gone. I'm trying to be realistic.

I don't think I'm able, nor will I, with your four little exercises, to be jumping full out and just sacrifice my body into a brush pile on a bank. I mean, it just, it packed a punch is all I'm saying. Did you get the frog? I did not get that frog. I was a foot short. You're not listening to the story. You never got it.

No, we never got him. There were two frogs that we saw. Every frog that I was in the vicinity of, I was 100%. So I'm proud of that. I mean, Jay was bragging them. But once you lose them, they're gone. I will say this, Jay, because we frog gunned. It's been a minute since I frog going to with you,

but you are one of the best frog catchers of all time in the family. I mean, so your retirement is a big deal. I mean, you go down as one of the all-time greats. One of the greatest. Yeah, I'm still going to love the experience. I'm just going to be back there. Jay's motor skills, they're a little lacking. So what I'm saying is, not to assess blame, but since you brought it up, the two that got

away, he was too slow. Get in that. You got to charge him. He was worried about the motor, and I get it. We were in a stump-infested area. But I just thought, what's taking so long? I kept motion in my hand, like, let's go. This is the universal symbol for give it gas.

Give it gas, give it gas, give it gas. Too slow. And so the bigger the frog, you know, he's, they, those two frogs that got away were the biggest frogs that we saw. Well, they didn't get that big by accident. Yeah. They're not stupid. You've got cameramen, lights, banging a boat, motor coming. Even though he's blinding by the light, he's like, then he sees some hairy seal looking fellow just jumping at it.

He's like, no, I'm out of here. So anyway, but I did that because there was another reason. My mom, who gave me, this was funny, because Jeff had visited a mom before the card game, she said, I need to get Jay something for his birthday. And so she told Jeff to put out his hand and he did. And so he had it covered up. I was like, well, what could Kay have given me? and it was $10, $1 bills.

I don't know why I thought that was funny. 10 Christmas. She said, this is for the card game. But she said, and I have a request for your birthday. And she said, I want some frogs. So yesterday, before I went and spoke, we had 13 frogs, I mean, there's a little bitty pond where we hunted. And so I cooked 13 of them and brought her four.

It's as happy as I've seen her since before my dad died. I'm not kidding. She was exhilarated. And so I ate the other nine. I was going to give Jay some, but I just got caught up in the moment. My wife wasn't there. I hadn't eaten anything all day. I just, they were the best wrongs.

I kept thinking, what did I do differently? But I think it's just because I hadn't eaten all day. How'd the card game turn out? Oh, my goodness. It was as funny. What happened was, Si, he brought a card protector. I don't know if y'all know what that means because y'all don't play cards, right?

So, like, we played this game called Texas Hold'em. Have you ever heard of it? I've heard of him. Okay. So, Sai had a beaver little figurine as his card protector. Well, for some reason, usually he tries to take me on because it's a family thing. He wants to beat me, but it was my birthday, I guess. So he actually bought me into the game, which was his birthday present, which was shocking.

And but for some reason, him and Willie just, they just clashed the whole night. And Willie got the better end of that encounter from a card playing standpoint. And Willie made, I would say, 1001 beaver jokes during the night over size, damn is breaking. You better call the other. troops. There's been an explosion. Beaver boy. He just never, stop. I mean, that is his modus operandi. He finds the thing. And if it ever gets, that snowball gets going, then just you have to weather the storm throughout the evening.

Whatever you do, don't show weakness. Don't show that it hurts. It just escalated, you know, inside. You know how it'll see it. seem like he's mad, but he's not. But he's like, hey, so finally, Sa, of course, number one, he didn't bring enough money into that game. And Willie just beat the dog out of him. So then he's like, well, hey, fat boy.

The weight comes out. The gloves came off. He said, hey, fat boy, let me borrow whatever's in your wallet. And I'm going to burn your house. down, which everybody got so tickled. And then Willie's like, so let me get this right, Beaver Boy. You want to borrow money from me so you can burn my house down. He said, your Beaver house has been utterly destroyed.

That was the way it went. So I kid you not. And Willie does it. He takes all his money out and hands it to sigh. And so look, this, you can't make this up. And then he wins it all back. On the next hand. Oh, my gosh.

I'll do an I owe you. So I said, what are you talking about? I just gave it back to you. We're even. At this point, it was bedlam. You know what I'm saying? You don't have to have alcohol. Would you have that going on?

That is so funny. Oh, it was a great time. It was the best birthday weekend, I guess. It was just, that's another reason. I mean, my rib cage took it. I have not laughed that long and that hard in years. It was just all night. It was just one game.

Well, you guys, you had the, that was the OGs of the poker game. I mean, that was, y'all brought back there. original guys who were involved years ago. Yeah, it was fun. It was a good trip down memory lane. So anyway, that was the weekend. Well, happy birthday. Yeah.

Happy belated birthday. 56 and stretching. 56 and retired from being the catcher. That was it. That's it. He's moving to the back of the boat, boys. Going to the back of the boat. And there's no shame in the back of the boat.

It takes a team to function. It's very important. Get somebody young up front. It's good. All right, y'all ready to get back into John? I'm ready. So we left off in John 13. There was a couple of things I kind of wanted to revisit because we had basically covered the end of John 13.

We're ready to move into 14. But I felt like we needed to touch a little more on this idea of the new command in 34. He says, a new command that give you love one another as I have loved you. So you must love one another. By this, all men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another. Because we kind of got into the Peter part of the story. Of course, I just went down the chicken rabbit hole, which was very interesting. My apologies for that.

Thanks for it. Yeah, but it was pretty funny. I liked it. But I read, or I hadn't read it in a long time, but Zach, there was a book. Francis Schaefer did a book called The Mark of a Christian. I don't know if you ever read it because I know you read a lot of Schaefer. but it was just a little bitty, almost like an essay that he was going to include in one of his bigger works, which is kind of was about Christianity in general.

But instead, it's been one of the best, one of his bestselling books of all time. It's a very short book, but it's based on this passage. And it's so good because he makes the comparison that through the years we've had a lot of things that we kind of used to symbolize Christianity, the mark, know, for a Christian, from the fish to the cross to, you know, all these different things we use. But he said, this is the mark. I mean, this is what Jesus says you'll know for sure, whether somebody is a follow or not, which I thought was interesting that he said that. And one of the things, I don't know if this is from that book or something else I read,

but you made the point, Jason, a past podcast about the different Greek words for love. and of course this idea of agape which is unconditional sacrificial love which is the kind of love he's talking about someone said it this way which i thought was really good and i want to get this in before we moved on agape is unconditional and is in its expression it's unselfish in its motive and it's unlimited in its benefits and i just thought that was really rich because because in essence that's exactly how you know. And if you see a situation that claims to be in Christ, where there's a church setting, which happens far too often,

that isn't marked by love, then you know it's not for real. There's some falsehood. There's somebody's following the wrong God. They're saying they love Jesus, but they really don't because you'll know it by the love. And of course, that's the first fruit of the spirit as well. So I just wanted to get that in before we move.

moved into John 14. Well, it's interesting. I would say this. I shared this yesterday, actually. You saying that makes me think about this point. You know, in 1 John 4 on two different occasions, he says God is love. Sure exactly where that is.

I know one of them is. 4-9, I think. 4-8. No, 4-8. No, 4-8. 4-8 is one of them. 10? Is it 410?

No, it's 4.8, and I just read 4. Oh, and 416. But he mentions it twice. But, but I want to make a point. Because Al, what he just said? When you, so if you read 416, we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love.

Yeah. But when you read verse 19, it's a very short verse. But think about the implications. So if you're like, God is love. Verse 19 says, we love because he first loved us. And I've heard people preach that, and they start at the cross. And I'm like, why are you starting there?

Yeah. He is love. When did God first start loving us? Makes me think about that. Ephesians 4, you know, it says from the beginning. Yeah. In love, he predestined us to be adopted as his sons. So it's an interesting thought.

It is. Because how does an eternal being do something first, what he's always going to be first compared to anything else? Exactly. Because he is love. It's kind of a brain teaser. But I think it's good news. Well, think about, I think about it, I think it's Revelation 13.

I may get this wrong. I guess I could look it up, but he says that he talks about the cross of Calvary that the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. I think that's the phrase he uses. And you think, man, that's a weird statement that Christ was slain before the foundation of the world. And I think that when we try to imagine our existence, well, we do imagine our existence and we experience it through time.

But a God who's outside of that, I mean, he just is. He is love. And whatever the plan of the cross of Calvary was, it actually in God's economy, it didn't, I mean, happened before the foundation of the world. It's just a weird threat. It's 13-8 of Revelation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast,

which is, you know, representing of the anti-God. All whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the lamb that was slain, the NIV says from the creation of the world. Revelation, what was it again? 13-8. Good verse. Good verse to pull out of your hat. Exactly.

I think that goes along with my point there. He first loved us. That's why he said earlier in 1st John 4, which is another. interesting verse when he said this is love not that we love God but that he loved us and sent his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sin you see what I mean we we tend to think like what this it's a good question though why the question we're getting at here is is why would God even why does he even create us I mean I think we've all probably thought about that like why am I here what's the point like what what's what's what's what's all this about why would he create me and i've heard

it says in some way that like god well i'll say it this way i think we can be careful if we put god in a position where we're saying that he needed us to worship him so he created us because he doesn't he doesn't need us oh act 17 that's where i preached from last night and i made that point he's he's he doesn't need anything he's he's fully sustained Well, it's a nuanced thing, but you've got to be careful how you talk about God in this way and why he created us. And so, I mean, I'm very careful with my language to think about, I don't want to paint a picture of God in my mind that's bringing him down to somehow he's dependent on me for my worship or me glorifying him. And like he need, he didn't need any

of that to be God. And that's, I don't know if that's the real purpose more than it is that he created me as an extension and an overflow of his love, of his nature to, to, to, as a gift to himself, from himself, kind of like in that trinitarian framework, the father creates us for the son. The son's, his participation is for the father and the spirit. They're all, it's like we're, we were created to, to be partakers of the divine nature. And that nature, it is, it's, it's an unadulterated love. 1 John 4 is so clear about that. That's Acts 1725.

So I think that's exactly why that I titled John 13 in my outline is Jesus is the personification of love. In other words, the ultimate picture, if you want to see the love of God and the whole Trinity is in the person of Jesus. And so I think that's why he says what he says here. He says, if you want to look at everything through a command lens, he says, okay, let me just give you one. Love each other, you know, which has been the common theme. If you're thinking about Zach, you're preaching the Old Testament, so am I right now. It was the theme even back then. I mean, we kind of made that out like, well, there was law.

And so, you know, people didn't understand. It was always about loving God from the beginning. Oh, absolutely. And about his love for us. It's just, you know, we talk a lot on the podcast. about this not yet now mentality. That's the name of Zach's other podcast. But really, it's always been not yet now.

And it still is because when you recognize what God's love is and you're marked by it, you're always pushing forward. And I do agree with what you said about how we have to watch ourselves when we try to put ourselves in God's perspective of seeing things because we're not him. And even though we know we've got this taste of eternity now because the Holy Spirit it lives in us. It's a deposit. We're not quite, we're not there yet. We haven't realized it. So we can't see it fully from his perspective, but we have to trust when he says things like, I loved you before I created you, that is true and that he's outside of time and space.

So I think people get into a lot of weird doctrines and weird teachings when they try to assume the mantle of seeing things from the perspective of God. You just, this is one of the ultimate struggles. And really, Jesus consistently says, the only thing I can tell you to do is just look at me. Just see how I operate. And then you'll figure out what you need to know. Yeah. And that first John 4 passage that Jace brought up is key because what it does, when understanding how we, if love one another is the true mark of a Christian, what Schaefer did say, by the way, he said it's the, I think he said it's the final apologetic or it's like the greatest apologetic.

Like you don't, you know, you come up with all these, because Schaefer was an apologist, essentially. He was a cultural apologist. I've read everything he's written. It was very influential in me, really honestly, coming out of a season of serious doubt about the true claims of the Bible. Once I read through Schaefer's work, it was really, I mean, so I love everything he's written.

And as great as his apologetics are and were, he says that this is the greatest Apologian. The greatest defense for the Christian faith. The reason why how you can really see this to be true is, by the way, Christians love one another. And I've actually found this to be true. Like at our church is a great example of this. We have a lot of really smart people who have come out of the world. And they're not familiar with Christianity, but they've tried every philosophy known demand. Some of them is, I mean, people so smart that I don't even know what they're talking about half the time. I think I just, at a different, but you know what a, what a attracted them, they'll tell you all of them, what attracted them was the body of Christ loving

one another. And they were witnessing that. And one particular girl, actually had her on the not yet now podcast, she came in and she had her first two or three Sundays. She was really questioning the validity of how in the world do you guys really believe that a guy died? Literally think about it. and he was put in a tomb and resurrected from the dead. And she just thought that was, like, insane, that we would believe that. And she was expressing that. Not in a way that was, like, aggressive towards us. She was really curious, how can you believe something so wild, such a tale?

And so what I did is I gave her this book. It's probably on my shelf back there by a guy named Dr. William Lane Craig, who I also had on the Not Yet Now podcast, who is, I would argue, you probably one of the smartest, most intelligent Christian philosophers slash apologist slash theologians in the world. He's brilliant. I gave her a book where he just really handles this particular topic. How do we know that Jesus came out of the grave? And it's an iron-clad argument. She reads that apologetics book and she comes back and says, yeah, that does nothing for me. That's not what I'm looking for. And I was like, but you said you had all these objections. And she was

like yeah but that's just that's not what I'm looking for. Fast forward six months later and we're baptizing her into the name of Jesus and now she's a dear sister. She came over last night to her house her and her husband both have been baptized in the Christ both are they got married in the church. I mean they're like walking the walk talking to the time and they're doing it. They're living for Jesus and if you asked her and Jordan both what what is the greatest apologetic why did they really come to Christ, I think they would say, we witnessed the way that the Christian brothers and sisters love one another in the church. And that was the most compelling argument for God's existence and the validity of Jesus Christ. And I would add to that story, Zach, just from my observation of your church there, that I think all that took off a year ago when that terrible storm came through and destroyed so much and, you know, hurt so many lives.

And who is there showing Christian love? Churches like yours and a lot of others. So I think out of sometimes the worst possible times, which is a good lead in back to 14, out of trouble times, is when the love of Christ is seen, I think. Great point. Which is really good. So let me read this, the first four verses, because I'm sure that's all we'll get to today. A 14?

Yeah. The next couple of times. I feel like we should have a caveat of what we're fixed to discussing. discuss because I do think you know I've changed the way I view chapter 14 from probably the first 30 years yeah of my Bible reading and I really just think it's because I was told a narrative that I just believe because someone you know was teaching the Bible and I just assumed yeah well why would he why would it be anything different, you know? And so that's my caveat.

So because I think you've got to be careful about trying to make everything fit in the Bible. And then once you kind of get that narrative in your mind, you're just only looking for that to, like, support what you believe to be true. So that may be confusing to some, but probably our take on John 14, the first three verses, I'm sure a lot of people have never heard this before in their life. Yeah, it's going to be a little bit different for sure. Let me read these first four. So, and again, the context is so important because he's just told them about Judas,

and then Judas leaves to do the deed, you know, the betrayal is coming. And he's just told them about Peter. And so this is hard. This is a hard moment. And so his next words are do not let your hearts be trouble, you know, which is, you know, they're troubled, you know, because of everything that he's told them. And it's interesting. I brought this up, Jace, when we were there a few podcasts ago, but it's the same Greek word, and I don't know you've looked at it, from 21, that Jesus was troubled in his spirit when he says, I tell you the truth, one of you is going to betray me. So this idea, he's telling them not to be troubled, but he was just troubled this, you know, a few minutes ago.

And so it does show you something about that. We'll talk more about it. Does it say, is that the same word? I know it's the same word in 12. Let's see. Let's go back to 1227 when he said, now my heart is troubled. Yep. And what shall I say?

Father, save me from this hour. And then he says, no. It was for this very reason I came to this hour. Now, because he's fixed to talk about his impending death. It's the same word there. It's also the same word in 21. 1321, let me look. Oh, after he said this, there it is.

Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, I tell you the truth, one of you is going to betray me. But, ow, it's also in 11. 33. Now, what's this got to do with anything? Remember what happened in Chapter 11? Lazarus. Yeah, when Jesus saw her weeping and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled.

Yeah, and then later wept. Yeah, two verses later he wept. Yeah, so I do think people, the fact that he used, uses it here. 14.1, don't let your hearts be troubled. Because he's telling them, I'm going away. Right. But I'm going to come back. And it's kind of the beginning of this, you're going to be persecuted. You know, John 14, 15, and 16, he's introducing the idea of this Holy Spirit being a comforter or a, counselor that he's going to give them. I'll read just to get the context because I think this is going to matter understanding this. What does it mean to be trouble? When he says in verse 16 of chapter 14,

I will ask the father and he will give you another counselor to be with you forever, the spirit of truth. The world does not accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him. but you know him for he lives here's a boy you're talking about a phrase for he lives with you and will be in you so i think we needed to do that i'll look up this word al for troubled and see the other places it's used and the reason i think it's important that we start there is one is because sometimes you get the idea don't let your art to be troubled so we should never be troubled because, you know, Jesus tells his disciples this. But remember, Jesus is shown, as I showed three examples prior to this, that being troubled is part of the human condition.

What he's really saying is don't stay trouble because there's, good news is coming. And I think it really shows Jesus' early part of his humanity is the idea to bring comfort. And when I read, Like one of my favorite passages in the Bible, second gruth is one, three through 11, because Paul describes his situation to the Corinthian church. And it's a tough situation. He's had a hard time. He's had a lot of difficult things happen. But he says everything this happened to him has been to show him that God loves him and comforts him

so that he can provide comfort for other people, including this church, that he loves so much as having so many problems, the Corinthian church. So I just, I think at the heart of who we are, we always understand that at different times we're going to be troubled. And it could be because of some physical malady. It could be a family situation. It could be, you know, our own sin and shortcomings and mess ups and just like we see denials of who Christ is. But the idea is we don't live there. We don't stay there because we have something greater, something better to pull us up.

So I just, to me, it spoke very powerfully to me about Jesus saying, I understand you because I'm troubled too. I'm troubled in what's about to happen. What's going to happen later this night? Yeah, I mean, I was going to say this. The context here is, though, what he is talking to them about is that he's basically saying, I'm about to go somewhere that you can't come with me. And so they're distressed about that isolation from Jesus. And so, which is very, very interesting.

when you get to John 14. He said, well, no, don't be, don't be upset. Don't be troubled. He's about to give the reason why over the next, you know, 14, 15, 16, and 17, that, you know, four chapters, which, honestly, if you want to build a doctrine of the Holy Spirit, this is probably where you should start. Yeah. Right here in the next four, in these next four chapters, Jesus himself is going to give us a really

thorough, you know, explanation of the role of the Holy Spirit. All right, I'm glad you brought this up because this is fascinating. So the first time that word is used about troubled is in Matthew 2, when King Herod heard that the one was born king of the Jews. He got the report. In verse 3, it says, King Herod heard this and was troubled. So to your point,

being troubled is not necessarily a bad thing. It's what you do about it. Now, King Herod said, I tell you what, let's go kill all the newborn babies. Yeah. So, and I think even though it's not mentioned in the temptation of Jesus, the fact that after he was tempted by the evil one, remember what happened? I mean, I'm sure he was troubled. He'd been tempted. He fasted for 40 days.

Remember, it says the angels came and attended him? So it is part of the human condition, but here's a couple of interesting other places that it's used just to make the point that it's not necessarily a bad thing. The word is also used in John 5 when the water was stirred. Remember the guy? Well, it's just used to show that there was a disturbance in the water. It was troubled. Same word, but I think that's interesting because even in John 11, you're like, well, why was Jesus trouble?

Because think about it. His good friends were mad at him, Mary and Martha, because they're like, if you'd have been here, this would never happen. Yeah. You know, now he's dead, and they're all crying, the Jews are crying, and he's a human. It's like, you know, I think the point, I've watched a movie before, you know, and was it good, bad, or indifferent, but I was troubled.

I was like misty-eyed or, you know, I mean, first time I watched Rudy, I mean, it's a game about football. And I was like, I was getting all worked up here, you know. It's just a story. Well, and I think to read a couple of the other ones that are interesting, and I'm trying to make the point that it's a human condition, post-resurrection in Luke 24, And you know, in the section where Jesus appeared to his disciples in 36,

remember when he stood among them? In verse 37 says they were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost, which, by the way, this word trouble is also used when Jesus came walking on the water, it said when the disciples looked out, they thought he was a ghost. And it says they were, it translates they were terrified, but it's the same word. Yeah.

They were troubled. Yeah. And you're like, well, why? Because if you're a human and you see a man walking on the water and there's no plank under the water, that would be troubling for a variety of reasons, good, bad, and indifferent. And so in this case in Luke 24, I love how this kind of gives you the picture what this means. He said to them, why are you troubled? And why do doubts rise in your minds? Same word troubled.

look at my hands and my feet it is I myself touch me and see a ghost does not have flesh and bones as you see I have but then it goes further when he had said this he showed them his hands and feet and while they still did not believe because of joy and amazement they're still troubled but in a joyful way of like just trying to wrap their head around how has this happened this is a dead man and then he said do you have anything here to eat and you're like what's he doing he's trying to get them

to overcome their troubled stirred hearts and I think I think the point is because we're doing this on purpose because a lot of people they feel uncomfortable that Jesus

was troubled in spirit and he's going to do it again when he prays in the garden yeah yeah He's troubled. Yeah. And what did he do about it?

You'll notice that even in the John 12, he's like, he's going to trust, he's like, his heart was trouble. And he's like, save me from this hour. But how did he respond in the temptation? No. He said, nope, I'm going to trust you. And that's why when he said, Father, we missed this power of this verse. On the cross. Now, he said a lot of things.

But one thing he did say, when he said, Father, into your hands, I commit. my spirit. And that word commit, he's, it's trust, I'm trusting you. Yeah. For this three day process.

Yeah. That I'm fixed to die. Yeah. We, we just think, oh, he's just like giving up his spirit. Well,

that's a, if you're God in human form, you're, you're trusting the father to go through this three day process. So I think the, the way. And that's the, That's the marker, Jay, is that he said in the garden.

Remember, he said the exact thing when he said, you know, I'm troubled, you know, is there any, can you take this cup from? And then he says, nope, not my will, but yours be done. So he answers that same thing at every step of the way here for the whole rest of this narrative. I think the way to wrap your head around it is a little thumbnail of Hebrews. Because Hebrews too, I think if Hebrews 2 was not in the Bible, we would have more trouble understanding why Jesus is troubled. But when you start reading it in Hebrews 2, of course he had already said in chapter 1,

that now he's speaking to us through his son. And he explains that. He starts off in verse 10 of chapter 2 when he says, In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God for whom and through whom everything exists should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering, which is what I think the definition of troubled is. It's a state where things are not going your way like John 11,

where his friends are mad at him. Lazarus died and everybody's getting weepy, and it's causing him some temptation here. You know, I think when you look at what he could have done and he could have just reamed out Mary and Martha. He was like, what part of this do you not get? But he understood that we're humans and we're slow to figure this out. That's why so many people rejected Jesus.

Yeah. That they just couldn't wrap their head around it. But he was patient and he trusted the father. And so then it says in verse 11, both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. Well, what family is he talking about? Yeah, us.

Being a human. He became a human. So he's not ashamed to call him brothers. So then he goes on to say, verse 14, since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity. Now, we're all familiar with what happens next because he destroyed the power of the evil one who had death, and he free those who all their lives were held in slavery. And then he goes, but he gets to verse 17.

here's the point I want to make. For this reason, he had to be made like his brothers in every way. So just think, in every way that a human is made, he was made. That means he was lonely. He was stressed out. He was troubled. He cried. He was emotional. But in all those moments, which is a prerequisite to making a bad decision, You become vulnerable in that. He always trusted the father. But it doesn't mean he wasn't trouble, because then it goes on to say that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

And then here's the kicker, verse 18 of chapter 2 of Hebrews, because he himself suffered when he was tempted. He is able to help those who are being tempted. Yeah. I think that is the way to look at it. Of course, he then says in chapter 4 in verse 15, for we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way just as we are,

yet was without sin. So he was weak because he's a human. We're weak. We're weak. We have moments. But how did he always respond? He didn't respond sinfully. He responded with trust.

And the only way you do that, Jesus, have a heart that stays open. And one thing you'll never see Jesus in any of the texts, you'll never see him cynical, which is what we do when we don't trust. We turn cynical. Well, let me read the last one. I didn't realize we were out of time. In chapter 5 in verse 7, it says he offered up prayers and petition. Listen to this.

with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death. And he was heard because of his reverent submission. Wow. That's pretty good. So he was troubled, and he's passing that on to his disciples saying, don't be troubled. There's a way to respond. I love it.

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