Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 115 | Jase's Answer to Riots, Phil's Biblical Case for Free Speech & Al's Insurance Company Beef

Episode Date: July 15, 2020

Phil, Jase, and Al are underwhelmed by the insurance industry. Phil finds a Thomas Jefferson quote that nails the problem with corrupt American cities and a verse in John 7 about free speech. Jase offers a reminder that grace doesn't nullify the consequences of sin. And the guys discuss adultery, forgiveness, mobs, and rioters who cast stones. Yo Mama Wasn’t A Monkey by Tex Cyrus https://www.amazon.com/Momma-Wasnt-Monkey-Tex-Cyrus/dp/B0863V2HHS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=34LXMDZ3JFX8U&dchild=1&keywords=yo+mama+wasnt+a+monkey&qid=1594824611&sprefix=yo+mama+wa%2Caps%2C203&sr=8-1 Pre-order Jesus Politics by Phil Robertson: http://jesuspoliticsbook.com See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You know, it's crazy. There's now civilization is getting back to normal somewhat. I mean, still the virus is going and the pandemic, but, you know, the stores are open because what happened was right before the coronavirus hit, Jay, we went fishing, and it was really hot. I mean, it was really hot. And it's like all the bugs that we had hit on the way down there before daylight, you really couldn't see out of the wind chill.

So he put some water on the windshield. There's a true story. No embellishment. He just sprayed the water on it to get the bugs off, and the windshield went, boom, and a crack just went all the way down the middle. I mean, almost like falling out.

When he sprayed water on it? Sprayed water on it. And it was really hot. It's the only thing we could think of, you know. And it had all the bugs on it? Oh, it had massive. Maybe it had something to do with that. As soon as the windshield wiper and the water,

when that hit, it just went, boom. and he went sorry I was like you broke my winchew because he was driving for some reason because I was asleep yesterday but uh and so well then I go now I'm going to go fix it well everything closes so I can't so I've been driving around with an inspired inspection sticker for weeks that turned in the months and so today I go lucky for you they probably weren't pulling a lot of people over because of the virus too so I'm sure they saw me you know because they're all looking I mean this thing was expired and they want you know that's a good way to make some money

because I know from past experience the longer it's expired the more money the more you pay that's right so they wait they're waiting I got it there's the waiting game there you wait too long you get a new windshield I was going to say coronavirus nobody's open but now everybody's open so I don't have excuse so look I go down there and get the windshield replace well I went to you know I appreciate She said, no, I got to explain this to you. She gets out a sheet of paper. I just found this interesting. And there were like 10 things.

And look, the more she talked, it's like this windshield was a living organism. It's like, now look, for the first two hours, we need that to sit. And so we can't slam a door until four hours. And then you can remove the tape after six hours. I was looking around. I was getting uncomfortable. I was like, these people have fallen in love with the windshield. I think they were trying to justify.

That explanation is a long way from redneck ingenuity. Yeah, I thought. The redneck ingenuity, they put the windshield in there. Nobody says anything. No. So now I have two big things of orange tape on, and I was actually, she gave such a speech that I was driving more slow than normal. I afraid you break your windshield.

You didn't want to hit a pito. Well, on your way here. here it's potholes central and i mean just bone they've just given up on your road by the way it was just like whatever you were the first roads to go phil in the pandemic i mean you come down here you're not paying attention i mean i'm longing for the old dirt roads from when i grew up at least they didn't wouldn't full of potholes you know they put a little dirt in them it was better but dirt yeah i mean this is dry lose your dry if you don't pay attention it's serious so anyway i mean i'm like Okay, I guess they're trying to justify the price, but I haven't, you know, a new wind chill makes you feel a little better.

But you know, it's funny years ago now, I mean, a new wind chill was a big deal. But these days now, you know, you hit a rock come off of, you know, like a back of a dump truck or something. And it'll just hit it, you know, right off the bat. But you call up your insurance company out. They just come over and they'll put a little deal on that one thing. Or even sometimes they'll just, ah, you'll take the whole thing out. It costs you 50 bucks or whatever. Oh, wow.

Look, when she said, now what interest do you? I said, I'm just going to pay you for it. I was like, it was, she's like, excuse me? I said, well, I told her the store. We're sitting in the parking lot, you know. The thing just broke. It wasn't. Yeah.

Nothing. I mean, I'm just, it happened. Right. How much it cost me? I'm going to pay you for it. And it was literally like I said something. I'm going to give you money for what you did. And it was like, I said something that cannot be done.

It was a foreign. Yeah, she was looking, she looked over, I guess at her boss. And they're looking, you know, and I said, I got cash. He's going to pay for her. Yeah, I said, I got. Out of his pocket. I said, I got cash money. And she said, do you have exact change?

I thought, they don't, they don't transact money here anymore. I said, well, I can get pretty close. Because you keep a little cash in the truck. I got some money, you know. And I'm like, no, it does show you the difference in insurance. So I get my knee, you know, I got to get my knee looked at. I tore my meniscus. So they sent me over.

When did you tear this meniscus? This is about a year ago. So I've been doing a physical therapy so far so good. But I go in, I got to get the thing looked at, right? So you got to get the MRI. So they send me over to the MRI people. So I'm like, I got to get an MRI. So how do I do that?

So she said, well, you're just scheduling. And she said, so how are you going to pay for it? You're using insurance. And I said, well, I said, was it cost? And same deal. She said, she looked and looking. She said, well, it depends. Are you using insurance or paying cash price?

Now, why would that depend? Well, exactly. I was like, isn't it that? I think I know the reason. The guy said, we need to operate on your eye immediately or you're going to lose your sight. I said, well, go for it. He said, how, well, we're going to pay for that. You went from losing sight.

Your insurance, he said, insurance pay for it. He said, okay, let's see. It's $3,500. So I said, Ms. Kay, you got $3,500? She said, yeah, she said, I'll pay for it. So they call around. The insurance company calls back and says, you can't do it. You can't do that.

No, no, you're in a clinic. You're with an eye professional in a clinic. Yeah, you have to be in a hospital or we don't pay you. But he's just told me that unless he fixes it right now, I'll be blind by tomorrow. So I'm like, well, we can't delay it. So he, so they look, Miss Kay's with the insurance company and they're all hassling about my eye. And I'm thinking, well, have you all forgotten

that I'm fixing to go blind out of one eye? Forget the insurance company. I said, what if we just pay you? He said, $2,800. Now it's $2,800. It was 35, five minutes ago. Because the insurance is going to pay for it. But she's going to pay for it.

I said, I said, you got $2,800 on you, Ms. Kay's. He said, yeah, I sure do. I said, well, get the man a check and he fixed my eye. And they were sitting, right, here, here, here, yeah, yeah. I said, well, what's all this? I said, by the way, Doc, I know this sounds like a crazy question. Why was it 3,500 five minutes ago if the insurance company was going to pay it? And now it's not but 28.

What dropped that price? He said, it's just the way business is done. Because you fleece the insurance. Right. They're fleecing you. That's right. Well, here's the. And look, that eye was not fixed until that.

2,800 was given to the doctor and that was checked to see if they had it. But then once they come, everybody was happy, hey, what you say? When the money hit the hand, the hand went to the eye. So my deal was, so they told me, they said, that's why I tried to stay away from town, period. I'm just trying to stay out of town. Yeah, we are. Stay out of town. So they told me $1,500 if you pay for it, if you just want to pay for it.

I said, okay. I said, so what's the insurance price? $3,000. Double. The insurance was double. Same procedure. So I said, well, let me talk to my wife. I don't know.

This is all confusing to me. Go ahead and make the point. So I go home, we check with the insurance company. Well, guess what my deductible is to the insurance company? $1,500. Well, yeah. So I could pay $1,500 and get it done, put it on the insurance. They're going to charge them $3,000.

They're going to get my $1,500. They are, and then they're going to pay. So I wind up just paying for it. I thought, you know, I mean, I was just like if it's going to cost the same. I gave him $300, whatever it was. But I thought that's what's wrong with the whole system. I mean, you talk about a mess when you got all that. Well, if you look at it logically, people who are not as blessed as others.

Yep. These bills, they don't even have the $1,500 for the $1,500 for the $1,800 for the eye. They don't have the money. Well, you just think about it, you wonder why everybody, well, you know, make the government do it. It's just if you go to town, you run into that,

arguing about prices. It's, you're liable to get shot. You're more likely to be shot. You're more likely to be robbed. I said, you're more likely to catch some kind of virus that comes through. I said, I say, stay out of town. That's all I can tell you.

Stay out of town. Stay away from towns. Your paranoid personality has really blossomed during this. man, they're tearing the statues down. They tore down the statue of Thomas Jefferson. And I thought, well, they're one a good man because Jefferson is the one that said, I think as long as there's open lands to go to, Americans will be happy. But if you ever get stacked on top of one another like they were in Europe, where they just come from, Europe, he said, we'll become as corrupt as they are. Well, Jefferson was right. So there's more corruption in the cities. There's more death. There's more

violence. It's a very troublesome place a city is. I'm sorry. It just is. And you'll be happy to know, and Thomas Jefferson, if he were here, would be happy to know that because of everything has been going on, I read recently, there's a pretty good mass exodus going on as we speak. That is correct. Out of these big cities. Because, you know, they're talking about no police and all that. So people are saying, you know what? They're wising up. You know, let's go down and find us some land somewhere. Your taxes are astronomical. I mean, it's just a bad place to be. Cities, I don't think we were meant human being to be stacked that tightly together.

Right. It's just too much. Well, it changed. You know, what happened was we were a farm culture, you know, agriculture for all the early years. But then all of a sudden, people are like, well, let's go to town because they're starting to industrial. They're starting to make stuff. And that's what led to all of it. I reminded the film crew this morning for the Blaze TV.

thing. I gave them three in a row and I was just sitting there and have a few notes I'd taken it at night and I was sitting there doing it and I said y'all stop just a minute I said listen just stop and listen a minute. Of course my film crew looked at me and they were looking around what were we supposed to be hearing I said guess what we're hearing right now I said not one sound I said, it's completely quiet. I said, we're under these big oak trees in my yard. I said, there's not a sound anywhere. I said, how in the world would human beings not recognize that as a good place to be?

It's just, of course, maybe it's just me, but it was completely silent. We get over in them woods we own over at Jace. We get out in the middle of that thing. You just wouldn't believe what you're not hearing. Yeah. It's just calmness for the, for the mind, peace of mind. I'm on record of saying peace of mind is the rarest commodity there is. Right.

Because people just can't be quiet. Be in a place where I look at in the streets and I'm hearing them hollering and scream and running. And I'm thinking, I said, is I look. And every time I look, you say, where is it? it on a city street. That's where it is. I just see I envision feel. It's one of the saddest things I've ever watched in my life.

In an urban city on a street corner with a sign that says, shut up. Be quiet. I would love to go on to any city street and have a sign that says I'm here and I hope y'all will shut up because I would just like to hear it calm down where people smile and walk on by. But for the stuff that's coming out of there, They won't stop. They get within six inches of a man's face, two inches,

and the protests are screaming at these guys who, it's a tough road, the police. And they're right in their faces calling them all these names and all this stuff is just coming out of them. And I look at it. And I'm watching it, and I'm thinking, boy, that's city life. That's the place to be. I am anti-city, period. Sorry.

I think we've got that status. So every time we go to New York, which we have to do from time time, that is the one thing. Oh, it's right. Right now chills are going down my spine. Oh, my goodness. Good news for you, Dad, I would imagine. Well, last time I was in New York City, they had a police department. By the time we get there, there'll be a billion dollars less for the cops.

And I'm thinking, boy, that's going to be fun. Yeah, we don't want to go back. That's something to look forward to. Well, the good news is, more than likely, because of the COVID, ongoing we're probably going to be able to promote your book from right here in the friendly confines let's don't go to new york i don't want to go to new york ever again i've been to new york i don't want to go back it's like a town let's take a break all right so dad's anti-town we got that um that's not really new news that's old news um so in uh in our study and john we uh we've gotten to

a really interesting story um that i probably i don't know i've preached at least a couple of sermons on this text and in a few classes. I'm sure you have two Jays. This is from John 8. And we'll note right off the bat. There's, in the theological world, since the earliest manuscripts, they say, you know, didn't have, I think, John 753 through 811,

which is what people who, this story makes a lot of religious people uncomfortable. Right. And so they'll go to that. And I just want to say that because that's where people who are uncomfortable with this story, that's what they use. They're like, well, the oldest manuscripts didn't have this story, but numerous ones did. Right.

And I don't, I think this falls right in line with what God represents through Jesus 100%. And the timing of it was right on target because remember the last, what, three chapters we've been in, there's been this whole thing about trying to kind of trap Jesus and try to make him say something that then he's not ready, the son of God. So you kind of got that going back and forth. In fact, leading up to it in the context, the Jewish leaders sent in some temple guards to get him. They were like, all right, we've had enough. You go get him and bring him back here. They were going to go ahead and start the process that would happen a little bit later. Claiming to be God. Right, all this stuff. You know, doing miracles, blasphemy.

So they show up and the temple guards did and they start listening to him and they come back to the Jewish leaders and they don't have him. And so they were like, why didn't you bring him in? This is verse 46 of John 7. They said, no one ever spoke the way this man does. And I love that. It was like they were like, we couldn't arrest this guy. Have you all heard what he had to say? Exactly.

I always think of that line. You ever seen anybody like this? I never heard of anything like that. It's a tombstone line. So the next verse in verse 47, before I read it, I want to tell you a story about what I did, Jay's. So on our book, Desperate Forgiveness, which is right here. So when, you know how you sign your book, well, I always try to find a verse that fits the theme of my book. And I write it under my deal when I signed my book.

And so I had come up with Luke 747. And it was the one where Jesus told there was a woman at his feet, you know, and he tells her. he tells Simon actually says to the person who has been forgiven much they love much but to the person who has been forgiven little they love little and he was making the comparison between the woman and Simon as a general right so that's that's Luke 7 so but the first two events I did somehow in my mind I got you know juxtaposed here and I was writing John 747 which is this first you mean he has deceived you also the Pharisees the Pharisees retorted. So the first...

Notice the word retort. Retorted. It wasn't like... Oh, so we... It's like... Oh, they weren't happy. It was a sneer. But what was funny is, so the first 200 people that got my book... Yeah, which kind of goes along with, you're

deceived. I guess so. But I thought, what are they going to think when they read that version, they're going to think, what is it? I mean, you're talking about... I would think... I would think that Al might have wrote this book, but he's an idiot. that's what I would have thought. Well, I discovered it, thankfully, and changed it. But anyway, so they're like, oh, he's deceived you also.

Has any of the rulers of the Pharisees believed in him? No. And they say that proudly, but that tells you something about the ruling class, about where they are. Of course, it's not true anyway, because we're fixing to find out. But this mob that knows nothing of the law, there's a curse on them. Boy, that sounds like modern-day American. It does. Well, there are going to be some similarities here, except these were religious

people. Exactly. Kind of, you know, troubling. So they said no one's believed him, but look at the next verse 50. Nicodemus. Oh, we've heard him. Who had gone to Jesus earlier, remember John 3, and who was one of their own number. It's almost like John said, uh-oh.

You said that one. We got a defector. He says, does our law condemn anyone without first hearing him to find out what he is doing? Well, what do you know? He's advertising for freedom of speech. That's exactly right. And for testimony. And I think it's worth a reminder.

He went to Jesus at night because he was one of their numbers. I do think there was. Slipping through the shadows. He was afraid. There was something there. Right. And then he is blown away with what Jesus had to say. I mean, you know, you got to be born again.

I mean, that is a. Like get inside my mother? Yeah, that's a mic drop conversation. And your religious theology classes, you ever had somebody say, how about me born again? Nicodemus, his head is spinning. And he's thinking, let's see, I got. got to go back inside my mother. This dude, I don't know about it. So when we fast forward to the end of the book of John, we know that Nicodemus did become a

believer because there he is taking Jesus' body down with Joseph and preparing it. I think that's a transformation. And when you look for transformation, because really that's, that's, I think, the strongest evidence of God. And I mean, I'm living on a creation that's demanding a creator. But that true transformation, you see it. And it's like it's not really mentioned from his perspective because there's just three little glimpses, but look where the three glances are. It was at the beginning, sneaking around, in the middle, and then at the end, when Jesus dies, well, he's there taking care of the body. He's there. He had a transformation moment, and I'm pretty positive that when he got wind, that, oh, he's back, that pretty well sealed

the deal for him. Yeah, he probably thought, now I understand born again. Yeah, I get it now. I'm pretty sure he set things right with his friends. You know, that would be a good sermon. I'm always thinking about a good sermon. If you showed the three glimpses of Nicodemus to question and then he's basically defending Jesus here. And then he finally at the end, he's totally submissive. He's the one taking care of his dead body to get it into the ground.

It's a picture for us all. I did it for a house church going on on Nicodemus. I like that. That's a good way. And then verse 52. And this is what happened. earlier, they replied, are you from Galilee too? In other words, you idiot. That's what they're basically saying. You're you an idiot too? Look into it. You'll find that a prophet does not come

out of Galilee. And the crowd had made the same mistake back in John 6th. They didn't know that Jesus was born in Bethlehem. They missed that little caveat. So they keep saying, well, he couldn't, I mean, the Messiah's not coming from Galilee and Nazareth. You people are idiots. But they were wrong the whole time because they didn't know the full truth, which is really interesting to me. So that's the setup that gets us to John 8. But it's also, it says something, because now you're fixed to go to a person. The reason I think setup's imported here, you're fixed to go to a person who is caught, you know, caught in the act of adultery, which... We assume he's dragged out of a bed. Yeah, it's a weird occurrence here. I mean, we got spies, we got some out here,

you know, because they're all doing it to test Jesus. Right. And so she gets the focus of the conversation and you know people say well the hardest thing to do for the world for anybody in the world especially somebody like this is to repent but there's also I can't remember what the joke was because it's really not funny but they said but the hardest thing for a church leader for them to do is to change yeah because it's kind of an irony there because that that's what's set up here they're not going to listen and change their mind and we look we've been around religious leaders like that who are just like, you're like, I mean, will not listen. Will not change?

And then railing about people who won't change. Thank you. You won't, they won't change their behavior. And you won't change your philosophy or theology whatsoever, which is a dangerous place to be. And never, and look at it that way. We never want to be mistaken, boys, for theologians. Yeah, or Pharisees.

I've never, I say all the time. read the word theology theologian in the Bible. Have you? Where is that verse? It's not there. I wonder why. The closest you would probably see to it is the word Pharisee. I mean, that's the mindset. Well, what you got to remember is you can be wrong on a number of things. That's why I always tell people it makes them uncomfortable. I'm like, the only thing I'm concerned about is you being right with Jesus. You be right on Jesus, and we're going to let grace abound in every. other issue under the sun. We can talk about it. We can discuss it. But you see, and y'all have these conversations where some issue that somebody comes up with is a deal breaker. Or they'll mask

it in things like, well, that's not a salvation issue or this is a salvation issue. I'm like, Jesus is the salvation issue. Not worried about the rest of it as far as we can talk about it. We can discuss it. But I'm never going to make anything a deal breaker that's not concerning Jesus. You travel over land and sea for one convert, and once he's converted, you make him twice the son of hell as you are. Yeah, where's that verse? I don't know. That's a scary verse. Yeah.

That was a good one off the top of your head. It's the bottom on right-hand column way down on the right, I think in Matthew, about mid-Matthew. I could find it if you had to have it. It was like the seven. It was like the-Burting in the Bible. Yes. Not what it was. It was the seven woes.

Yeah. What was that out of? That's in Matthew. The Seven Woes. All right, so let's take a break while we're looking for it. Way down the right hand on the bottom. I don't know what that means. You went way down the right hand on the bottom.

I know where it's written in Matthew. It's in Matthew 23. Matthew 20. Bottom right hand corner. I don't know about the bottom right hand corner. I'm not sure if my Bible's exactly like yours. See, seven woes. Matthew 23 versus 15.

It's kind of in the middle. Whoa to you. Oh, it is in the bottom right-hand corner of yours. See, it's in the middle, middle left hand. So I told you, right here, I said, way it out the bottom. Go ahead and say that, Jay, see if I had it right. He's worse on them than I was. No, you quoted it right.

But he basically came to the Pharisees in like verse 23, 23, 23, he said, woe to you, teachers, the law, Pharisees, you hypocrite, you give a tenth of your spices, but you have neglected the more important matters of the, the law you know that that's kind of the gist of it but where's the one you quoted verse 15 15 says woe do you teach the law and Pharisees you hypocrites you travel over land and sea to win a single convert and when he becomes one you make him twice as much it's not funny but i can't hell the laugh the son of hell as you are which people say you want a hellfire and remstone this was one of the few jesus gave but here was my deal on that because i i think he extends grace

us and we teach a message of grace. But if you're Jesus, you can do whatever the heck you want to do. Well, wouldn't you say, though, it's fair to say from all the epistles that from all the writings, mostly from Paul, that you get the idea that grace abounds for people that have bad behavior, but it also abounds for people who have bad theology. Because all of those early churches, we're not doing things that Paul wanted them to do. A lot of problems. A lot of problems.

And yet he's still calling him brothers. He still extended grace. So it covers bad theology as well. It's not like 2,000 years later within Christianity. We're not going to have some problems. We are far too splintered, far too divided. Everybody has their own little theological stance on this, and they're not going to budge, and we got it, and you don't, and we got it right.

But we live in a realm, I must admit, we live in a realm that it's not that way. I don't think like that. Well, and the success of our podcast, and to remind you, our audience. Well, we said from day one here on the podcast, we're not about groups. We're not about signs on the side of your buildings. None of that stuff. We're just going to teach the Bible and study the Bible together. And if you approached it that way and got along with other people and other light-minded believers, you'd be so much better off. I love it. But it reveals, the Bible reveals Jesus. We read that John 5, you know. He was like, y'all are studying the scriptures

thinking they produce eternal life. But you forgot about me. And the Bible was written about me. which is what they meant. And his whole point here was grace. So I started off saying the reason people say, well, this is not in the early manuscripts and people have difficulty with it is because religious leaders, theologians, somehow think this story excuses sin,

which is a big question that we get all the time. Well, wait a minute here now. If you start forgiving everybody, aren't you saying it's okay to sin? saying adultery is okay? You start saying the laws been fulfilled, then, you know, right. Sounds like a question given in Roman 6, where he says, what shall we say then? Shall we go on sending so that grace may increase?

Who knew that that question that has come up thousands of times in our living rooms and on the phone? Yep. Was asked right there. Of course, Paul in Roman 6 went to when you reenacted the death-barrel resurrection and baptism, which I think is pretty interesting. He went to Jesus in what saves you, but he went into your participation in it through surrender. As far as reenacting, he said,

don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ, you know, our old self was crucified? We were therefore buried, and just as Christ was raised from the day, we too may live a new life. We know that our old self is crucified. So you can make a lot of, you know, thoughts there on how that motivates you. Was it? Because remember what you reenacted, you know,

Jesus's death on a cry. He died for this. You don't want to go out there and do it because he paid for it. But you got to remember, even in the specific story, the last thing he says in the story is go now. He tells the woman who was called in adultery. And we'll talk about him defending her and asking them, yeah, how he goes about doing it. Any of you are without sin, throw the first stone.

But then he says, go now and leave your life of sin. there was no support of her behavior anywhere anywhere in this story. No. He was focused on forgiveness and the grace that's offered instead of a rule-keeping system, which led to her, now they got rocks in their hands saying, well, let's kill her. What say you? I noticed the dude, there had to have been a dude somewhere. Yeah, you can't have a doctor-based.

He's not even in the picture. He's not even in the equation. guy. Well, where was he? Because I would have thanked that dog that had two places, two, two little, both of them, stone, both of them. They're stoning the woman and not the man. And you can see how, you're right.

That was the law. You can see where the women's liberation movement cranked up because they look at this and say, yeah, yeah, the man, they didn't bring him. Well, it's just. Well, it's like me. Look, when I was dating, this really has nothing to do with anything, but it just made, this popped into my head. When I was dating, if my girlfriend, because back then,

I've been unashamed about, I waited until I got married before I had any sexual activity. It was with my wife only on our wedding night. But back in the dating world, it was considered cheating. What did you say one time, Jase? Your wedding night was the first hour was a study of the human anatomy. It was pretty much the whole night. It was more like a biological experiment. I was waiting for the birds to start singing.

And this was like, just do what you got to do. and let's reassess, you know. It was not very... Today in our culture, Jase, they hear about that story, and they're like, I don't know about that. It was exciting because I was like,

let's see what we got here. It was more like that. Now, later on, you know, the romance. The immoral among us, Jace, they would look at you and say, wait a minute here. No, nobody's ever done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what the world's best. And they don't realize that that experiment, boy, it's worth the weight. because it's like fascinating. It's discovery. You were to be commended for that, Jay. I think I said that more than once. I was like, fascinating.

I mean, she really wasn't. You want all Mr. Spike on her there. She really wasn't as excited, you know, but she warmed up to me. It took a couple days. But what I was going to say is in the dating world, I used to, you know, when you're in high school and like, you know,

your girlfriend cheats on you. And so what do they do? Because I didn't have good friends, you know, until they eventually later on. and life came to Jesus. And all these guys, they're like, you know, I'm going to go whoop this guy. And, you know, I'm like, well, what about the girl? She cheated.

Yeah. I mean, I would be like, no emotion. Okay, I don't want her anymore. She's not loyal. Move on. There's, what, three or four billion out here? That ended. Once she left, it's like, but they get to whip somebody.

Let's go, let's go have a fight. It's over. You know, because I was having a conversation this week with a young guy, and people, you know, they know we followed Jesus and things happen, you know, this guy, his girlfriend broke up. And he's just devastated. And so I'm trying to, you know, I want to share about Jesus, but I'm listening. I mean, okay.

You're trying to console him. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, he's really upset. And so the more I'm hearing, the more I'm listening, I'm trying to form an opinion. I'm not a counselor, but he asked my opinion, I guess, you know, for whatever reason. So I gave it because I'm like, so I said, no, why did she break up with you? But it was all generic. And so I was like, I kept trying to get the specifics. And so I finally realized, no, there was no specific.

She doesn't love you. It's been a few days. Has she reached back out to you since the breakup? Because he's my, you know, he's like, what am I going to do? I was like, is there a possibility it could be her. Yeah. Well, I'm like, she doesn't love you. it's over.

It's time to move on. Move on. But it was like, he was shocked. Like, well, I don't want to hear that. That's why you're not a paid counselor,

Jake. Called it like I saw it. He has one patient. Let's take a break. Yeah, that's why Jayce didn't work out in the counseling business. Well,

it's not, look, I realize, because when I read this, it was the truth. I mean, there's nothing more upsetting to me in a marriage

than adultery. I'm just as upset now. I get angry. If someone's in the church, And they're, you know, I feel betrayed, you know, just like they are. I mean, I'm hot. So it's not that we're not saying that's not horrible. And what it does to kids.

I read this story and I'm thinking, God, when I read it, I'm like, whew. If you cut her some slack, he could cut me some. I needed it. That's right. I mean, grace doesn't nullify the consequences and sting of sin that happens to. It's horrible. That's right. Well, so let's read the story short.

and then we'll finish up and kind of jump in there. But verse one said, but Jesus went to Mount of Olives. This is from the previous story. At dawn, so he's in Jerusalem. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts where all the people gathered around him and he sat down to teach them.

So this is at dawn. This is a very early morning Bible class. I like that little just byproduct. That's exactly right. I mean, this is early morning Bible class. Verse three, the teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman called in adultery, which you imagine the spectacle of what that looked like, either naked or probably just covered

him. Yeah, because some verse they called in the act. Right. They made her. Or it's the next verse. Yeah, next verse. They made her stand before the group. Now, she's either naked or partially clothed and said to Jesus, teacher, this woman was

caught in the act of adultery. In the law, Moses commanded us. to stone such women. Now, what do you say? They were using this question as a trap in order to have a basis for accusing him. If we stop right there, they don't care about this woman. At all. And they found whatever was going on in the old law. I mean, I'm sure you looked it up, but on the stone and. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because he set up a code of ethics, which tells you what he thinks about that at one point of time in our history. I mean now, and here's, which is I think why God gets a bad rap.

Is it better? Would life be better if there was no adultery? Very much so. So he was right. Right on along. You came up with some rough consequences if you get called as a society. But the theme was the society would be better off if everyone's stay together. Because you know if you don't come up with something that would keep you from doing it,

I mean, that probably would. They'll kill you with rocks, the city. That'll probably deter it, you know? I would think. Yeah. And yet people still, obviously, they didn't. I mean, even knowing that under threat. They still didn't do it.

And you say, does that make God bad? No. Because he was leading you to John 8 in a moment in history where he wants to forgive you. So Jesus bends down. So they ask them this question. So it's kind of hanging there in the air. And Jesus just bends. down and starts to write on the ground with his finger.

I remember that in Temple Court, so it's probably dust on the finger. He's writing something, which there's been so many questions about, what was he right? What was he writing? Yeah, I love Jim McGreg. That's amazing after he had just been asked the question. Yeah. The question was, you know, a woman was caught in the law. Moses commanded Esther Stone, so that's what do you say?

What do you say? And he's over here riding on the ground. He's writing on the ground. Would him if we can say he wrote? He says... Which tells you, he's not in a bind yet. No. He said he drew circles, which it was a great illustration.

He's like, we don't know what he wrote, but he said, I know what he did. And what he did was draw a circle around everyone and say, you're all sinners. Which was a pretty good point. And then he was like, and then he got in the circle and said, neither do I condemn you. Right. But he wasn't saying, I know what he wrote, but the way he acted, he drew a big circle. and you're in it. You know how he is from Ireland.

He drew a huge circle and guess what? You're in it. He's kind of a hollered. He's fiery. Yeah. But it was kind of a moving thought. But you're right, Dad. Jesus' reaction was priceless. It's like, what are you going to do about this?

And he's like, you know what I mean? He's like, no big deal. That's right. So verse 7, they kept on, when they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, They were like while he's just sitting there right over there. They thought they had it. They're like,

ravaging wolves. Yeah, they thought they had. They were like the people you described that are six inches from the house. He hasn't said a word. He didn't say anything. Then he said, if anyone of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.

That's my take. That was his answer back. Boy, there's a hush fell over. Can you imagine? They're like, ooh. So now we know how to stop right. That's right. If anyone is not guilty of anything, ever, you can throw rocks.

And pull the statues down. That one would have been a good, good question to ask all the ones that's been in the streets of America, going way back 200 years removing statues of men of renown 100 years ago, 200 years ago. Who also had sins. Who were also sinners. Also sinners. And they're like, yeah, but look what they did. And like they haven't sinned, look at what they're doing.

Oh, but that's the thing. It's never empathy. Jay said it a minute ago, they didn't care about this woman. I wish we had Jesus to walk in a moment. That seems to be a compromise. We say, okay, you can turn it down all statues. If you replace them with images of Jesus, I'd be for that. Me too.

We have one statue globally. We'll take one last break. All right, so verse 8. So how does Jesus, so what happens? So then again, he stooped down and starts writing on the ground again. So he made his little statement and he's writing on the ground. Verse 9, at this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, and then the younger, until Jesus was only left with the woman still standing there.

So now she's standing there when whatever way they brought her in, like we'll show you. she's thinking about, whoa, whoa, here. She's feeling a little better about this. Well, I'm sure she went from fear to just, I mean, what would you call this now? Overwhelmed because you think you're going to die. That's right. I mean, she thought she fixed her down. She thought she'd probably shaking violently.

Plus, I imagine her just looking down, like not even able to make eye contact with anybody. I mean, she's called. And the way they put it up. out here she's fixing to die she was as surprised as anybody that at jesus response i think though trying i mean she's probably in shock just think you know right before you're fixing to die i think that probably superseded everything else and now she's going to live and this would seem to me to be a horrible way to go oh man you know step stephen died that way i mean remember oh yeah everybody's throwing rocks I would say large rocks.

Oh, yeah. At the time when I'm hit you, you break that bone, this bone, that's terrible. But I think when you look at it from an Old Testament history, because I'm sure people say, well, why would God sanction that under the law? But you've got to remember to him, death is not a problem. And so we view it as the ultimate problem,

but he is life. It's not a problem. And when you look at the character that he's after, he's also 100% righteous, you're having to go down a slippery slope for us to even understand how you could pull all this off. Because he basically, he doesn't, he's not endorsing adultery, obviously, because he laid out what a true marriage is and that what God may, I mean what God joins together, let man not separate.

But he's also offering his nature of forgiveness. And in essence, life again, because he saved her, from death in this instance. And remember the context that Jesus is dealing with, they weren't here to deal with an adulter situation. They were here to try to trap him. That was the motivation. She went from death to life in minutes. Exactly. Actually, seconds. And he risked his life. Because what's, which he had some atoms and molecule. And the mob was gone. You know, I'm seeing them now. They're hitting them with fire extinguishers and there's a lot of rock throwing. You notice we are still casting stones.

That's right. To this day. Anybody in authority, you're like, it was that kind of mindset that get gathered up that day. The thousands of, same thing you see it on the streets of America. Thousands of police officers have been. They got a grievance. They got a beef. And then they start throwing rocks at people. And you're like, hmm. Same thing. They had it justified here. Yeah. And they, in their mind. You have to justify the action first. That's right. And then you pick up the rocks. And then you say, and then I said, well, that's just. And they've never looked at themselves and you, they say, you know, I want to have burning down this, my neighbor's business. I wonder if that's something wrong with that. I mean, I wonder if that's a good thing.

You know, think about it. Well, look, through the years, through the year, we know a lot of police officers, we're friends with a lot of them, but, you know, through the years, I've encountered police officers weren't very nice. Oh. Weren't very nice to me and other people. But, you know, I never thought, you know what, this jerk, I'm fixing to go find a rock and start throwing it at it. Well, right. The thought never, even if the guy was a jerk, I mean, I never did the, well, but, but, I,

Al, the point is, I mean, when you see a video of obviously a police offer doing something, that it's as heinous as anything a criminal would do, your emotions get involved. Oh, they got to me. I hated it. Oh, yeah, me too. And that's what causes this. And then they're like, well, we've got to do something about it. And all cops are bad.

Well, wait a minute now. You have me until the, we got to have some cops. And that, which is. But when they quickly moved in, arrested him and charged him with murder, which you should have been, I thought, well, that's our system. and that's what we do to take care of stuff like that. We don't go out and start throwing rocks at other cops. Well, in essence, because we're all flawed.

So you're always going to have a problem with corruption in law enforcement because all people are corrupt. They're going to make mistakes. No doubt about it. Does that mean you throw the whole thing out? This is a good lesson for everyone to see. What about forgiveness here? How do you respond?

That's right. So verse 10, Jesus straightens back up again. And he's been down writing some more stuff, some more circles, I guess. Jesus. Jesus straightened up and asked her. Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you? I love it because he comes right back to her. By the way, he was the only one concerned about her.

He's cleaned a house with a couple of questions. That's right. The first question, the other one of without sin, you go for it. That's right. That cleaned them out with just one question. So she says no one, sir. And then he says, as Jay said, neither do I condemn you. Then he says, go and leave your life.

sin. But the key part there is forgiveness that produces lifestyle change, which is what I said. It's a grace-motivated system, which was this whole point. It was not based on the law. The Pharisees brought the law and rocks and had justification of it. I'm a savior, which is when we come to Jesus, I'm going to save you because of my mercy and grace. I'm going to forgive you, but don't do that anymore. That's exactly right. And if you do, I'll be there. I'll still be there, interceding.

Even then, on top of that, forgive you. And he said, by the way, you'll make some mistakes as you follow me. Just remember, I'm here. Give them to me. Don't tell me you're not going to make some mistakes. You'll be a liar if you do. I'm telling you I have to be here to intercede for you and you appeal to me. And I'll take your sins.

I won't count your sins against you. He has been over backwards to save us. No doubt about it. One of my favorite lines from Celebrate Recovery, and I think Max, Mac Owen and our friend is the first one that I heard say it. Because, you know, you've got a lot of people in CR that have come out of a lot of rough lifestyle,

and they say, Jesus will meet you wherever you are. And then there's kind of a pause and says, but he'll love you so much that he won't leave you there. And I love that idea. It's like we can find him in any place, but then we don't stay where we are. We let him take us to someplace different. If it's drugs, alcohol, whatever it is that has you bound,

Jesus wants you out of that, you know, because obviously it's destroying lives. It's wrecking people. So, I mean, in no better place do you see that in this story. Leave this life of sin. You know, you don't want to stay there, which I thought was really powerful. Any last thoughts? We're about out of time. No, the last thing I was going to say is, you know, I said if we just had one statue about Jesus,

unfortunately in the religious world, they wouldn't agree on what it should look like. Which is my point. I think you've got to remember here, God does not, you know, support sinful behavior whatsoever. But if he didn't go to a cross and die for us, we'd all be lost.

I mean, his love and compassion is that motivation. So I think his religious leaders, we've got to make sure we're walking around with a bunch of rocks in our pocket. And, you know, burning bridges instead of pointing people to the ultimate bridge, which is Jesus. There's a lot of anti-white stuff going on right now, but just a reminder, Jesus was a person of color. He was a Middle Eastern man. He wasn't a European white boy. He wasn't a European white guy.

So I know some depictions make him look that way, but go over to Israel and look at a young guy there about 30 years old that's full-blooded Israeli. I know for sure that nothing in his appearance so that we would desire him. There was, he didn't stand out. He was not a looker. He wasn't a looker. Yeah, but one of the things about coming to Jesus is that he. That's Isaiah 53, by the way.

He makes you colorblind. And it doesn't happen. It just, it happens organically. Right. When you realize where we all came from and what we all have in common, one of them is sin and one of them is forgiveness in Jesus, you're colorblind. And then none of the three of us are going to back down from that.

Because I hear people say, I've heard a lot of people in the religious and evangelical works. Oh, we're not colorblind. We're colorful and all these different things that are sent them. I said, no, I'm colorblind. Oh, I'm colorblind. I've been that way for years. That does not matter to me.

And we're one race. And you said that, we're the human race. So I think that's where we got to camp out. So good stuff. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook. And be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.