Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1150 | Jase Falls Victim to a Viral Pop-up Scam & How the Spirit Makes His Home in Us

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Jase manages to injure himself and lose his pants—all while the cameras are rolling. He teases a “Duck Dynasty: The Revival” moment he swears will go mega-viral, even though he can’t let the cat out of the bag yet. The guys explore how Jesus can be troubled yet sinless, how the Spirit makes His home in believers now, and why that hope steadies us when life gets chaotic. Jase’s close look at the phrase “many rooms in my Father’s house” sends Zach into an existential spiral rooted in a childhood memory. In this episode: John 14; Hebrews 2, verses 14–18; John 10, verses 17–18; Luke 15; Luke 24; 1 Peter 3, verses 14–22; Acts 16; John 14, verse 6; John 17; Ephesians 2; John 2; Hebrews 3, verse 6; Galatians 4, verse 6 Chapters: 00:00–07:51 Reali-tease TV 07:52–19:03 Why Being Troubled Is Okay 19:04–29:37 We’ll Be Persecuted for Loving Jesus 29:38–42:25 A Mansion Just Over the Hilltop 42:26–51:20 Why Jesus Had to Leave Earth 51:20–59:45 The Meaning of “Home” in Heaven & Earth —  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Yes, I've analyzed the video. Now, what video are you talking about? I'm talking about the one from the last podcast where you said that you leaped into the unknown to the abyss to grab a frog. They've already put that on. It's already out. He leapt or he leaped?

What did I say? You said leaped, but it could be either one. I just was playing the rug. You leapt. You leapt. You leapt. Thank you, Al. Well, play in the role of Phil.

You know, remember that? That was always a vocabulary checker. He was. So was my dad. But, yeah, I mean, it's quite the leap, though. But I'm watching it, but I can't tell that, yeah, you're not showing any signs of injury. I was raised in a culture where the battle cry was, who's a man. Yeah.

So my dad, Al, would you agree? he said that every day for years. Yep. Who's a man? So there's no time. I'm a man. I jumped out of frog. I just sacrificed life and limb for the frog.

You did. And the last thing you would want to do is not act like you hadn't been there, right? You got to like say, oh, yeah, I just did that. I don't do it. I got to. Fortunately, they cut it when they did because what you don't realize is there was, when was, when I jumped into the vine, when I got up, acted like I wasn't hurt. Something had my pants tangled.

And when I tried to get back in the boat, my pants literally came down. And I'm surprised they didn't run that. I mean, I had underwear on, but still. Yeah, you get more views that way. You got to have a little. Well, thank the Lord that we still have some people who, you know, I can trust. Yeah. So, yeah, it was, it was.

scary you're talking about a horror fan it was like that jays you remember that when joe burrow played for lSU and that in mississippi state game and the guy pulled his bridges down in the back and exposed his buttocks on the national television yeah i remember that but when they showed the highlights they would blur it out they would blur it yeah yeah yeah well i actually said that i said i think you may have to use the blurring feature their editor because i had these two cameramen just like And of course Jay was back here like Did you get that? He's like, yeah, you always look for the

When something like that happens, did you capture it on camera if you're a producer? You're always thinking, did you get it on camera? Did you get it on camera? The problem in our society, you know, they show all these things, so I've heard on the internet And you're like, why didn't you put the camera down and help the guy out?

Yeah. I think the same way. I was watching one other day of a part of the storm stuff. And I'm like, man, it's like we could make sure you get that on video. But I think I would even be like in certain instances where you would see something very dangerous happening. People are still, their priority number one is not to run for safety. I got to capture this on film just in case.

Well, Willie was telling me about it. They were filming their new Duck Dynasty show, which is where I'm headed after I leave here to do an interview. Good luck me. Because the bad thing is I have this bone bruise on my tailbone. And I've realized that most of what I'm doing these days is sitting on my bone bruise trying to talk and act joyous, but I'm hurting. So I'm just going from one chair to another.

But he was telling me. And Jay's, you had a reputation. I don't know how you are on the new show, but you had a reputation on the old show as being quite the, interview, I don't know what you call it, Maven, I suppose, because you would do extra long stuff because you want to get it just right. Interview Maven? Yeah.

I've never heard that word in my life, Maven. Zach, what does that mean? Maven, can you spell that out? M-A-V-E-N. I don't think I've heard it either. Get that cricket sound out. Get that cricket sound out. I'm waiting to see if it's a word.

I really am playing the role of Phil today. I'm not only correcting grammar, I'm adding new vocabulary. A maiden. Look at how. Thank you. I mean, I didn't think you did that well in school. No, I was sharp, Jay's. I just acted like I was dumb.

You've got a good vocabulary. What happens with my vocabulary is I'll get to talking so fast, and I'm just, my words are behind. And I'll say something that, like, I preached on Exodus 19 yesterday, and I didn't know I was saying this, but when I got done, my sister was like, you kept calling Mount Zion, because I was contrasting Mount Sinai

with Mount Zion, but I was calling Mount Zion, Mount Zion on. And I didn't realize I was doing it. And so I'm like, well, I was just going. That was that little mountain right beside Mount Zion. That was a little tiny.

It was a little mini-making. People were looking out the geography pages in their Bible and said, I just don't see Zion. Ben was like, yeah, I got lost with the mountain stuff because you had all these names going for the mountains and you would merge them together. And I was like, I had so much content. I was trying to get out.

And I just, well, I never finished my story. I think I've signed something where I can't tell what happens. I wasn't there in the episode. But Willie told me something that happened with his grandkids in a scene. that was the craziest story that I've ever heard. And he said, of course, when this happened, which I can't legally tell you, of course, they're all concerned because this is insane for something like this to happen. But the camera people, I mean, the producers were like, okay, is everyone okay?

Yes. Did you get that? now I'm curious. I almost want to take a quick break so you can tell me what happened. I've ever heard happen on reality television. This, I was like, well, well, the good thing about it, whether people are watching your show or not, that will go viral. You have one viral scene. Okay, Jay's, let's do this.

I want you to tell us. What happened was Would y'all agree that that was the craziest thing you've ever heard? I can't wait to see it. That's pretty good. That's going to go viral. That's probably one of the best plugs we've ever done for the show. But that's funny.

Of course, you know, the way TV worked since they, you know, that pretty much was a scene killer, you know, it may not even make it to TV. Well, that's what I'm saying, Jay. My experience with producers from television networks is you never know what they're going to include and what they're going to cut. Yeah, be careful when you film reality because sometimes reality happens. True. You don't know what to do with it. You don't know where to go.

So, yeah, so I'll have to go do a little interview. We'll see how that goes. I'm actually doing it with Willie, so I don't think I've ever done that. so that'll be brother-to-brother conflict that's probably what they have in mind well speaking of which we've got uh the duck commander sunday coming up uh 829 is that right 829 831 831 831 which is the same day where they're doing the blind re-release at fathom for the event so they'll actually be showing it in westburn or so if you're in town tell them tell them about that event because you're speaking jace how you're speaking yeah i'm doing a little bit

Jason and Willie are both going to speak a little bit as well. We've got some worship. I think the whole worship bites from like in speaking is 10 to 12, and then they've got stuff planned all afternoon. So it's going to be really cool. It's a thing to honor Dad because we used to do Duck Commander Sundays at our church years ago. So I thought it was a good callback. And it's a big week because like you said,

The Blind also is re-releasing. Also, Zach, we're doing our unashamed Hillsdale podcast on the 20, ninth will be that first release, which is going to be great. So that's right before that. So it's just a lot of cool stuff going on next week. So for you guys to be a part of if you choose to come to our fair little village of Westman, so you all ready to get back into John? Getting until John 14.

So we ran out of time. Of course, of course we always do. But we felt like we were building up to our big point, Jays. And we had talked about the first, actually first. half of verse one. We made it as far as to do not let your heart be troubled and 40 minutes later it was over.

It was. But I looked up that word everywhere it's used and I went through that. So if you haven't listened to the previous podcast, we're not going to wait for you. But stop right now. Go back and let's do it. Because I left off the last place

where it was used that I thought tied everything in together for what we said. You did Hebrews 2, 14 through 18, which was excellent as well. So what was the other one? Well, we did that. The point was that Jesus was a human. And humans have weaknesses and they have temptations and they suffer.

And Jesus experienced all that. And so don't let it trouble you that Jesus is troubled. He did that so he could sympathize and help us. And so in all of that, he didn't sin. That's the whole point. don't create a narrative because you don't like Jesus being troubled where he had to do this. Because you got to remember the overarching theme of all this, because he's looking at his upcoming death. But always remember this, and I think this is, to me, the key that unlocks this when you get to verses like this that can be troubled and people have a hard time wrapping their head around on why Jesus is trouble.

In chapter 10, I didn't read this, but I just, I feel like I have to do this about every three podcasts. When it says in verse 17 of chapter 10, remember this is the whole part about the shepherd and his flock, and it's a quote from Isaiah where there's going to be a shepherd come, and he's going to get the flock back. And think of the illustration when he said, you know, if there's 99 sheep that don't need to Pint. Remember that illustration in Luke 15? Yeah. But if you lose one, I'm coming after the one. God's in pursuit of all humans. So here he is saying, I'm the good shepherd. But he says in verse 17, the reason my father loves me is that I lay down my life only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I.

I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from the Father. So what I'm saying is when you read he's troubled and when he's in the garden and he's trouble, it's not, don't, people will say, well, he had to do that for, and they'll fill in a blank. No, he's doing it on his own. But as a human, the same emotions we experience, the same struggles, the same sufferings, the same choices you have to make in situations that are difficult,

he acts like a human. But in that, he never sinned is my point. Well, we mentioned this in a previous podcast about Christ having a dual nature. He has two natures. He has a human nature and he has a divine nature. So when Jesus is the incarnation of the sun. And I think what, if you get into this conversation, it gets very, very controversial, very quick.

But I think the point is, is that what you're trying to say and I would agree with, when you think about the reason why Jesus was troubled, the reason why Jesus had to die, he was participating in that plan. It wasn't a plan that was forced on him by the father. It was, like, you have to think of it

in a Trinitarian framework. This was all part of it. The father may have planned this, but Jesus is the one who's going to accomplish it. And then as we're getting into John 14, the spirit will come and he will actually apply this to the people. But it's not a one member of the Trinity kind of doing everything. Together they are accomplishing what they are going to accomplish.

I think that, I mean, that's kind of what I hear you saying. Does that make sense? Oh, does it make sense? I agree with it 100%. But I want to read this last place that troubled is used. in 1st Peter 3 because I think this really puts this all together because you got to remember he was troubled and now he's telling them don't be troubled well just I want us to think about that well if him being trouble was a bad thing you know why is he telling them not to be troubled it's it's not the word when you read all those verses which is why I said even in Luke 24 they were excited that he was coming back, but they were still trouble because they're like, this guy was dead. And now he's eating fish.

That's troubling in a good way. I mean, they were so excited that it said they didn't even believe it. They literally, it was so good they couldn't believe it. And Jason, it was an active tense word. That's the idea. You pointed that out in the last podcast when you talked about King Herod and all this. It's the state you are and your reaction. That's what the tense of the word may.

It keeps going. In other words, don't let your hearts be trouble. In other words, don't stay trouble. Exactly. That's my point. He's not saying that trouble is a bad thing. It's going to happen. I mean, he's going to say the same thing in John 15.

It makes more sense as we read along because he's like, they're going to hate you. The world's going to hate you. And they're like, what? He's like, they hate him me without reason. And they're going to persecute you. And these are the types of things. But he's not saying, well, you're not going to just be where it doesn't affect you or bother it. You're human.

Of course, we struggle. And we don't like it when people talk bad about us or they threaten us. We've had so many things happen now in our family that are troubling. Yeah. From, I mean, I could go through the list from acts of violence random for stalkers. various members of our family. These are all troubling, especially to our kids. And you're like, well, you shouldn't be troubled.

If someone's threatening one of your kids, trust me, you're going to be troubled. And so I think here's Jesus, who technically is the creator of the kids, who's now become one of the kids, if you look at it from his humanity, and he's running around with them. Well, guess what? He's getting troubled because he doesn't like it when, members of his family are having troubles, and it's troubling him. So that's the gist of it.

But 1st Peter 3, I think you really see this? Because it says in verse, the word is found, the Greek word, in 14. It's translated in the NIV here, frightened instead of trouble. But it says, but even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. Just think about that statement. You're suffering for what's right, not because of something you did wrong. Do not fear what they fear.

Or it says, or don't fear their threats. Do not be frightened or troubled. See? That's the word for trouble. But watch what he says after. My point is, whatever he says after is how you respond, because this is how he responded. But verse 15 says,

but in your heart set apart Christ as Lord. I just love this. So in the spirit of not being troubled, do you know what you do? It's not like you run away from it and hide and no. He's like you make Christ your example, your Lord. Be prepared to give an answer to everyone who ask you to give the reason for the hope that you have, but do this with gentleness and respect.

Doesn't that make more sense now in how you respond to the? threats and fear. It reminds me of when Paul, remember when they were in prison in Acts 16, and they had the prison break and all that, and they caught them and then flog them. And then they're like, oh, y'all are Roman citizens. You know, we'll let you go.

And Paul said, no, you escort me out of this city. I mean, it's like he didn't just say, oh, you know, sorry it was a mix-up he was bold about it so all right then let me keep reading because this is good it says but do it with gentleness and respect keeping a clear conscience so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in christ may be ashamed of their slander it is better if it is God's will to suffer for doing good than for doing evil, obviously. Look, Christ died for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. That's why I read that John 10.

And he did it on his own accord. But watched to Zach's point, he was put to death in the body, but made alive by the spirit. So you have the Trinity. Look, right here, Zach, verse 18, Christ died for our sins, to bring you where? bring you to God, the Father, and he was put to death in the body, but he's made alive in the Spirit. Yeah.

Isn't that song? Yeah. Through whom also he went, look, he preached to the spirits who were disobedient. It was kind of a spiritual war effect. And then it gets to baptism, which is that, you know, you participate in the death barrel and resurrection of Jesus.

this just like Father into your hands, I commit my spirit when Jesus was on the cross, well, we do the same thing in baptism. Because then he says, it saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Yeah. Which is why I keep saying, don't let it end at the cross. Because the way he is using that word trouble, well, Peter's now picking up on that, looking at what Jesus did and continues to do, because the last verse, says it saves you by the resurrection of Jesus, who has gone into heaven and who is at God's

right hand with angels, authority, powers in submission to it. I think it's absolutely fantastic. You know, it's funny, as you mentioned in the last podcast about you brought up the idea of movies and how they trouble you, and yet they inspire you. You know, in other words, they touch on your emotional side of who you are and you gain inspiration from that and it you know it makes you feel differently than you did before which i love that analogy it's what he's doing here in this context is he's painting them a bigger picture and and i love that you mentioned about movies there's a movie and i think i mentioned it before

on the podcast but it's called uh big fish and every time i watch i've watched that movie 50 times or more and every time i've watched it 50 times that i've never heard of of it. 50 times or more. And every time I watch it, I cry at the end of it. I can't not cry. Do they actually catch a big fish? They do.

Oh, okay. But it's too long to go into the whole thing. But you should watch it, Jay's. And it'd be interesting to get your take on it if you receive it the way I receive it. Because it's a very personal movie to me. Is it a spiritual movie? Well, not really. It's like a fantasy-type movie, but it's just what I take every time from it, I'll give you my take on it, is I always think about dad.

Now, this, I haven't watched it since dad crossed over, which I probably will start crying now at the beginning of it instead of the end. But because it reminds me of him and me and our relationship and how it was not good and then it was great. And there's a whole father-son component in the movie. but dad is the big fish in my mind. And so it really just speaks to me. And it's just one of those things that someone does in a medium that, and I don't know what they, you know, what they're thinking was when they made the movie.

It's a Tim Burton movie. So it's kind of, it's weird. It's different. But it speaks directly to me about sometimes when a life is bigger than a pond. And it's told through the metaphor of a fish. And so, but I think about when I think about this text, because it's always.

always, when you think about God, he's always bigger than you can imagine. And he's especially bigger when you need him the most. And so that's why when he says, do not let your hearts be troubled him, the rest of that verse is, and we've been saying this, every text you read, Jays, trust in God, trust also in me. And so again, he's back to that theme. He's been telling him all along about he and the father being one. But he says, when you're troubled, he gives you the answer of what to do. And he's saying this to the disciples, but I think it's the same thing to us at any of our hardest moments. And Lisa and I were just talking recently about, you know, some of the things we've gone through in our lives and, you know, are difficult. But at the same time, the inspiration that

we've drawn from trusting God in the, in the biggest of moments is something that stays with you for a lifetime. So when you talk about Jesus laying down his life, it was more than just the cross. He laid it down when he came here and became a human being. and came through the womb of a woman to be like us. I mean, just think about, you're talking about laying down the life. He chose to become part of his creation out of that love. Well, if you think about this warning here, or not warning, I guess this instruction from Jesus to not be troubled,

as I mentioned in the last podcast, I mean, the context of it is actually they're troubled for, because of what Jesus said. about him leaving. And so they didn't fully understand what was happening, obviously, but he's like, I have to leave, and I'm going to be away from you guys,

and where I'm going, you can't actually follow me. And so I think, when I think about that, so why is that troubling? Well, because, again, it goes back to the same reason why he said,

unless a grain of weak falls to the ground and dies, it remains alone. It's the idea of being alone, being away from Christ. And that was what he knew, they would be worried about ironically, and there's a deeper meeting here than just their own immediate relationship with him, there's a bigger thing happening here. Like a fear that we all have

is that we're not with the Christ, that we're not with God. But if you go back to the beginning of John, the word that was used was that Christ would tabernacle among us. He would dwell among us. He would be a tabernacle. He tabernacle among us. So there's that promise that Christ was going to be with us. He was going to be with with with that's as you mentioned is seen in the incarnation. But then he says I got to go. And where I'm going, you cannot come. So the idea again is is separation here. But the reason why he's telling them and about to tell them why they shouldn't be troubled is he's going to tell them that you're actually not going to be alone because when I go, I'm going to send you the Holy Spirit. So you're seeing again, what Jason mentioned, you're seeing that Trinitarian

and the framework start to build out. Like it's not just, Jesus is like, it's not just about me as one person. It's about the whole Godhead of three persons. And then when you get to John 17, you'll see that the whole thing will come together because he's going to ask for oneness for us, that we would be one as he is one with the father.

And you're seeing that whole picture unfoldier. So he is literally explaining to the disciples that the reason why they should not be troubled that he is leaving is that, he has to leave. He has to leave. If he doesn't leave, then the spirit will not come. But if he does leave, he says, I'm going to send the spirit.

All of this is pointing to the Holy Spirit coming to live in the bodies of humans. Yeah. And that is really good news for us. It is. And it affects us every day. I mean, y'all remember in our audience, for sure. You guys remember what was dad's most oft-used phrase, you know, for the last few months he was on the podcast? As I get older, the resurrection looms large.

Resurrection looming. I mean, he said it over and over and over again. So I had a lot of people say, I just can't believe, you know, that you guys showed the funeral. And, you know, and y'all didn't cry. And I know Phil said don't cry, but y'all did all this. And it reminds me of that scene at the end of Taken where the guy saves his daughter. And she says, you came for me. And he looks at her kind of stunned.

He says, well, I told you I would. And it's like that about dad. It's like he's been, he told us all along the resurrection was looming large. There was going to be a crossover. There was going to be a time of missing. There was going to be a time when you're troubled. But look, I believe every bit of this. And we're going to do this all in eternity.

And so when you really live that way, when you really believe that way, when you really love that way, it changes everything. And you can deal with anything because God, as big enough to deal with it. Well, here's a good segue here. Coming out of, don't be troubled, you know, because he can't go where I'm going to be going. He said, believe in God, believe also in me in my father's house.

There are many rooms if we're not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am, you may also be. So at verse he says you can't follow me, but then he's telling them that, but as this thing unfolds, you will follow me. You actually will be with me.

And you will know the way to where I'm going. Thomas said to him, Lord, we do not know where you are going. So how can we know the way? And then Jesus gives kind of that money line that is one of the most important texts in the New Testament. I am. He said, I am the way. I'm the way, the truth, and the life.

And nobody comes to the father except through me. me. If you had known me, you would have known my father also from now on you do know him and have seen him. I mean, this is, I don't think he can overestimate the importance of John 14, 6, in the whole scheme of redemption that we have been invited into. No, I agree. And in fact, it's, I mean, we talk a lot about the IM statements, but this is a huge one because he basically just, says what we've been saying all along. I am that I am. In other words, if you do know me, you do know where I'm going, which was so hard for them to grasp. And I get it because in the moment that they're there, as Jay said earlier, they're only thinking about him being gone.

And so they're having a hard time connecting this idea that he's not going to leave him alone, which is, I think the community. And they don't fully understand, obviously in this moment, they don't fully understand the oneness of the father, the son, and the spirit. I don't even know if we really have a concept of the spirit yet, but they don't understand that Jesus and the Father are one in their being. And that's why when they say, when he's telling them all this stuff, they say, well, just show us the Father, and then that's all we need, just to see, just show us the Father.

Like, yeah, then we get what you're saying, Jesus. Show us the Father, and then that'll be enough for us. but in verse nine Jesus says have I not been with you long enough that you still don't know me I mean think about that show us the father and then Jesus says have I been with you so long and you still don't know me philip like he what he's saying there's like I'm connected with the father in such an intimate way that whoever has seen me has actually seen the father so how can you say show us the father do you not believe that I am in the father and that the father is in me. He's not saying that I am the father, because that is actually, some people

teach that. That is not what the Bible says. He's not the same person as the father. But they are in each other. And in the same way, what's going to happen is, is Christ is going to now live in us. That's why he says, may they be one as we're one. And he says, I say these words to you. I did not speak on my own authority. So now I see kind of the person of Jesus, but but the father who dwells in me does his work. Believe me that I, I am in the father and that the father is in me and also or else believe on account of the works themselves. In other words, just judge the situation by what's happening.

But crisis centering himself right here as the mediator between us and the father, and I think this is super powerful. Well, and not only that, it also, and just to reference back to what Jay said in the last podcast. I think all of us have expanded our view of what he meant in verse two when he said in my father's house of many rooms that, you know, that's always just been taken as heaven and post-Christian walk. But I think the implications have to be that the house of many rooms is here as well. And the idea of community and what you are going to see just as soon as you peek over into Acts 2 and Acts 4, you're going to start to see.

see this idea when the Holy Spirit shows up that this many-roomed house begins here on earth in terms of what it does for community. And so I think it's expanded all of our view that it's not just waiting around for heaven. There are eternal implications here, but they begin on earth as well. I mean, is that fair, Joseph? Well, that's what I wanted to get into. I had all my Greek pulled up.

I had like 12 tabs that were opened on my computer. So instead of trying to write this down, I thought I'll bring my computer. What happened was, and the reason I was silent for an abnormally long period of time, is I got a message on my first page that said I had just won $10,000. All I had to do is click a button. Uh-oh. But I exed out of it. Don't do that.

But I was like, well, I got to go look that page up because I tried to go back. It wouldn't let me. Well, guess what? The next one came up. I got picked again. $10,000. Now you're 20. And so that repeated itself 12 times.

I had to exit out of all of the pages. Never click on that, by the way. And so I think I got it pulled back up. What I was going to say, though, is so this is hard to wrap your head around. I think if you look at the Greek language, it will be easier. So, before I do that, I did want to say when y'all brought up where he says the famous passage in verse 6,

I am the way and the truth and the life. Well, he had just said three times in 14, one through four, I am. Notice it. He says in verse 2, I would have told you, I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you may be where I am. Yep. You know the way to the place where I am going. So that's why I think when Thomas was like, Lord, we don't know where you're going.

He's like, I just said three times. I am. Wrap your head around what that means. Because if he just said, I'm going, you'd say, well, he was just, no, he was making a point because he said, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. So wrap your head around what that means, because he constantly said that. Here's the crazy part of getting into actually what the Greek words are. So this little phrase, we'll start with the second one first because it's only mentioned twice in the entire Bible.

So I want to know what your translation says. In verse two, it says, in my father's house, then the next phrase, are many rooms. What does your say, Zach? Mine says, in my father's house are many rooms. Al, what does your say? Same thing. Same thing. Now, there are some translations that say are.

many dwelling places. All right. Now. One even says many mansions, right? No, no. That says in my, yeah, yeah, yeah. In my father's house are many mansions.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard that before. Let me deal with that one first. The reason they, to say I have studied this at length would be a small statement. I've really looked at this. So where that came from, the English translation mansions is because if you go to the Latin word for this phrase, it looks like mansions. But it comes from a French philosopher from the French that mansions meant rooms or dwelling places in the 1600s.

So the King James version was translated in the 1600s. So they see the Greek word, many rooms, and they're like, oh, Perfect mansions. So I'm, what's your point, Jay's? In the 1600s, the word mansion did not mean in our English language what it means now. Now when you think a mansion, what do you think?

Big house. So it's unfortunate. But now you can go look that up and see if I'm right, but you'll be surprised. I just had an existential crisis because you know the first song that I ever led as a small child.

because they grew up in the church of Christ. Manchin's over the hilltop. A mansion. I've got a mansion just over the hilltop. Well, but at fill in case, the church they helped start out in the country, Al. Yeah. There was a certain twang that came with. I'm got a mansion.

But you start with, I'm satisfied with just a cottage below. And we're going to move. A little silver mansion. A little silver. Yeah. After we walk down the streets of gold to get to. said mansion. So what I'm said is everybody

prior to 1600 in the King James Version wasn't no mansion. It was a loom. Because that is what the word meant. Now, that's not even what I want to bring up.

The phrase are many rooms. And it is translated mansion, but many rooms is a better translation. You know how many times that phrase is used

in the Bible? Bible. You don't take a guess? In many rooms? This phrase are many rooms. It's one word. And look, it has a, man, this, I keep getting $10,000. Some Russian Bible. And let me go back there.

The word is translate. I love this Greek word. Monet. Monet. Which is why Mansion fit, because they were like, We're talking mona. The heaven is expensive. Monet.

I just add that. So would you say less than 10 or more than 10? I guess it must be a Greek phrase. It'd have to be in the New Testament. Well, it's one word. It's translated in English, a phrase. Dwelling place. Oh, I bet that's in there quite a bit.

I'm thinking all the temple language of the old. Testament. Tabernacle, dwelling place, 1st, King, 6. The Old Testament was Hebrew. I'm saying Greek. So let's Matthew to Revelation.

I didn't. Well, immediately I'm thinking Ephesians 2. Surprisingly, the word Monet is only used twice. Hmm. Now,

here's one of them. Guess where the other one is, and I'm going to read it. It's in the same chapter. It's only used twice. It's in the same chapter. And prepare for your mind to literally explode. It's in verse 23.

So we're not too far from verse 2, right? Yeah. So listen to this. Jesus replied, and we'll get to this. I guess I got to read why he replied. Judas in verse 22 said, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? So we'll get into that discourse about him showing himself.

Jesus replied, if anyone loves me, verse 23 or 14, he will obey my teaching. And I have this actually circled in my Bible, this next sentence. My father will love him and we will come. to him and make our home. Same, same word. Hmm. Monet. With him.

So let's read them together and see if we can figure out what this phrase or word Monet means. So the first time is in 14-2. He says, don't be trouble. Trust him in then, in my father's house are many rooms. and then in 23 it says if anybody loves me he'll obey me they'll trust me which is same concept and trust in god trust all him you know obeying god why why are you obeying his teacher because you trust him my father will love him and we will come to him and make our home with him

so you got to think well which is it Are we going there? Or is he coming here? Is that a fair? Is that a fair analysis of the only two places Monet is used? Zach, you're being real quiet. I'm not giving my interpretation of it. I just said, is that a fair question?

Okay. It's a fair question. I have something that I'm thinking, And we're probably thinking the same thing, but I don't like the premise of the question. I think it's flawed. My premise? I'm just saying in the first time it's used,

it seems to imply that I'm going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go up, so I'm going there where these many rooms are. Yeah. The second time seems to imply that we're going to come. to you and there's some rooms. Yeah, I think what I was, what I was getting this. Well, I think it's not, it's the, if you think that, I think this is the big point here is that it's not a there.

It's a, we're agreeing, we're agreeing on that. Yeah. So it's not, that's why it's, it's hard to read this because it puts you in a position where unless you, if you are interpreting heaven as a there, and you're not understanding that heaven is a person, really. I mean... Well, that's why I started this discourse when he said,

if I go in verse 3 of 14, and prepare a place for you. Now, you're saying, well, it's not a place, but he says place right there, just to... Yeah, but I think as he... I mean, it is a place, but it will be a place. The heaven and the earth will unite, think that the prize, though, to your point on the streets of gold, like heaven is heaven

because it's where the presence of the Lord is. And so what I thought about when you're reading these, both of those passages that you just read and this idea of a house with many rooms in it in my father's house, there's that place, I mean, I immediately thought about that Ephesians chapter two passage that also speaks of us being built into a house. You know, we're together with Christ as the cornerstone in whom the whole structure being joined together grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him, you are also being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit, which to me that passage is talking about the inclusion of.

Gentiles into the faith, but how is this happening? It's what he's talking about here in John 14, that God's going to, he's going to come live inside people now. The Holy Spirit is going to come live in you. Well, who? Anyone who would call on the name of Christ, Jew and Gentile, because in this house, there's a lot of rooms. There's room for a lot of people, a lot of different diversity, a lot of different diverse groups.

I mean, he's going to, because God's going to now come take up residence in a new kind of temple. I think this is all temple language. Now, here's, I knew we were going to go here. You probably didn't foresee me knowing this is where this is going to go. So what you quoted in Ephesians 2 is this in my father's house. So it's a Greek word. Let me find it. I have it pulled up after these thousands of dollars that I'm just ignoring. That I could be winning. Or you could be getting hacked right now. Yeah.

Oh, I'm sure I am. And that means this is probably profound, you know. It's the evil ones. Yeah, we got some spiritual warfare going on. It's actually not the word in Ephesians 2. I'm actually surprised about that. But let's look up what that Ephesians 2 is, the dwelling place. which isn't, you know, a definition of these rooms,

but I need to look that up. But what I was going to say is there are two words for house in the Greek. So it says, in my father's house, they're one of them, they're spelled almost identical. And their versions that go in together. Yeah. So you remember in John 2 where he said, when he kicked him out of the temple

and he said, my father's house, what was it exactly say? Yeah, it said, you turned my father's house into a den of robbers. Surprisingly, Al, that is a different, that's a different word for house than John 14,

too. Right. Now, I know this is troubling, no pun intended. But you've got to remember it it connotates the same idea but I read some Greek scholar let me find it who kind of gave a he he tried to wrap his head around around this so here's how they're spelled one of them is O I K-O-S so you can go go search that yeah and

it'll show you every verse where that's used and then you have have O-I-K-I-A. Yeah. Now, so in John... Which is the root, that's the root word in Ephesians 2 for dwelling. It's a similar word. O-I-K-E-O.

Yeah. To live, to inhabit, to settle. Yeah. So in John 14-2, let's see, which one is it? I think it's O-I-K-E-O-I-K-I-I-E-A. I think is what it is. I looked it up when I studied. Hold on before I read this.

I'm looking for it. I got so many Greek words pulled up. Hold on. That could have been it. Let me see which one this is. That way I can just get it on the podcast. All right. Well, here's the O-I-K-O-S.

Let me look where that's used. That's the one in John. two, yeah, that's the one in John 2, not in John 14. So, to read this explanation of what it means, I think this is good. So I'm just going to read this. I mean, this is on some Greek language message board among Greek scholars, but I think this is a good explanation. This guy says, I am disposed to think that Oikis, which is the one in John 2,

which the actual temple that he was like the structure. Is the house viewed from outside as an object set before us? O'Kia, which is the one used in 14-2, is from the inside. So to your point, Zach, the dwelling place of God. Like, I'll give you an example, though, that it doesn't necessarily always mean that. Because let's take Hebrews 3, 6. Now think about this. You're probably familiar with that, right?

Hebrews 3, 6. So Hebrews 3 starts off saying, brothers who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus. You know, Jesus is better than Moses. Well, then verse 4 says of chapter 3, for every house is built by someone. Well, this is the one,

same one used in John too. But God is the build of everything. But what's verse six? But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. What house is he talking about? He's talking about the one Zach was referring to, that we are the dwelling place of God. So look, I know this seems complex,

but my point is, is Zach's point. he's making this connection between I'm going to the Father's presence and make a place for you. Humans are now allowed in the presence of God in heaven itself. Ephesians 2.6 makes sense now. He's seated us in the heavenly realms with him. He's talking about people who have surrendered to Christ. Agreed? But he's also using it in 1423 of saying,

you're housing the Holy Spirit and thus you're bringing in the presence of me the Spirit of Christ which is mentioned in Galatians 5th 4, 6 and Romans 8 in your body so I think that's why he's bringing this up and then next time when we come together

I'm going to go down one more Greek rabbit trail because there's another Greek word that's translated perseverance that it's pronounced hubr monae and when you look that up what you're going to find it's in Romans 5 it's in Romans 8 it's all over the place and it's what his point was here in John 14 don't be troubled he he wanted them to persevere and that's why he's giving you the Holy Spirit he's making a home with humans and he's making a home for humans in the

presence of God the Father. That's the point. So you know what he's saying? So persevere. Don't be troubled. Hang in there, which is that same kind of word as the Monet, this dwelling, you're dwelling in me. So persevere, so trust. Isn't that fascinating? And it's interesting too. I know we're out of time, but I'll say this. Like you think about like individual, God making his home an individual people and we're like these cornerstones. I mean, he's the cornerstone and we're the living stones of the temple. but I think at the end, what's going to happen is you're going to look at the whole entire earth, and it's going to be the dwelling place of God. The whole earth will be his temple, which is quite the thought.

That's why heaven is, in my opinion, both a place and a person. Correct. It's not an either way. And it's coming together in new creations. You see, I mean, that's where we're headed. This is an introduction. Don't fret. Don't panic.

Don't let your hearts be trouble. We will come back. We will revisit, but I know this has been difficult, but it's only in there twice, and we should learn how to wrap our head around is what I'm saying. All right. So we'll pick it up right here next time on Unashamed. Thanks for listening to The Unashamed podcast.

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