Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1153 | John Luke Robertson & Christian Huff Roast Jase’s Questionable Leadership Skills

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

Al dubs it “testosterone day” as he, Jase, and Zach welcome John Luke and Christian, who share the inside scoop on Jase’s demanding mentoring style. Guest Kyle Thompson of the “Undaunted.Life��� podcast shares how Phil’s guidance encouraged and shaped his own commitment to mentoring. The guys dive into why passing knowledge and legacy to the next generation is essential—not just for survival but for the spiritual health of the nation. In this episode: Genesis 6, verse 3; Psalm 90, verse 10; Genesis 14, verse 14; Genesis 21, verse 5; Proverbs 7; 2 Corinthians 10, verse 4 Chapters: 00:00–17:06 Generational Roundtable with John Luke & Christian 17:07–30:34 Jase Wins Olympic Frog-Catching Medal  30:35–45:00 Why Mentoring Is Important for Young Generations 45:00–58:10 Encouraging Men to Lead Their Families — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. So I'm calling today, Jay's testosterone day, because we've got young people that still have high testosterone levels. Well, I commented when we have John Luke and Christian. When I saw John Luke, he stuck his head in here, which I thought there was some kind of Duck Commander announcement or something.

He said a Duck Commander emergency. Emergency. Only you show up during emergencies. I'm only here during emergencies. That's true. John Luke, you're not aging. You look the same as you did 10 years ago. Yeah.

Your beard is slightly more full. A little more full. But you look the same. And you're not quite 30, right? 29. No, 29. Yeah. You have the youthful glow.

You still have the youthful glow. Yeah. How are you, Christian? 27. 27. So we've expanded for those of you to know. So John Luke and Christian are here for our open today because we starting tomorrow we've got our expanded unashamed it's it's

unashamed for hillsdale and it's a podcast a second podcast that we're doing under this kind of unashamed banners act and we do it uh no jace so you know we're without jace's stories believe it or not we can still make it it's it's hard i'm like medicine i'm better in small doses So mega dose chase will not be a part of these discussions. John, you look, you look confused about that. But look, if you take, it has a little, that's very small writing on the bat. And it's like, only take the amount that they recommend.

But I'm like, why put that so small here? You can't see it. Bigger. Bigger. You're like the small doses, but it says you can take it four times a day. Yeah, four times a day. That's it. But not too much at one time.

Not too much. Yeah. And so we start that podcast is going to release on Fridays. And we're super excited about it. I love doing it with you guys and it was a lot of fun. I love getting the younger perspective because we had like four different decades represented. Zach's, you know, in his 40s, Jack. Are you still in your 40s?

Yeah, I got a few years left in my 40s. But you hesitated, Zach. What is the problem? I mean, did you have to think how old you were? No, I was thinking about that low testosterone You mentioned earlier. I was thinking, as my testosterone, is it low?

Do I have low? It's low. It's lower than these guys. It's low. You just don't get the numbers, but trust me, it's low. Yeah. Because we have our friend Kyle Thompson coming on later, and he's a high tee.

He's got high teeth. Oh, for sure. He's almost 40, but it's like he's going on 28. I'm really not sure what we're talking about here. What? We're talking about. about we want the audience we want our regular unashamed audience to check out our hillsdale podcast starting tomorrow but we really want you to take it with us that tell them a little bit

about kind of the setup and how it works well it's kind of funny because we had all four of us on which john lick you're what do you 29 i'm 29 i'll be almost 30 yeah so we'll say we'll say we'll say you can say 30 because i will be 30 when it's coming out yeah so how's the late 50s early 60s he's 60 now i'm in the 40s john looks in the 30s christians how are you christian 27 exactly which was interesting because we're we all had a vote he doesn't listen he's like it's like when you go to north carolina i mean he's piped in he's got the headphones well this is a good lesson for i if you're going to do a podcast with him i want to i want to say something and usually you would do this when he's not in the room but right now what i'm going to tell you doesn't affect

him because when you're talking, he's thinking about what he's fixing to say. Or looking at something. Jase, that is the pot going on the kettle black. The man who literally is checking his stocks while Zach is talking. Hey, you guys are innocent and all this. What is your take on that? Who do you think is actually thinking about what they're going to say next more? Me or Jace?

You know it's both well. I've already said I'm like medicine. I can't throw myself under the bus anymore. It's okay. The real reason I'm not a part of that is because I like to chase rabbits and find these thread lines in the whole Bible. But when you have a book, like Genesis, that has 50 chapters, oh my goodness.

And we did it, Jays, we did it in six podcasts. Yeah. So I mean, that's why we can never do it with Jays, because we would be doing Genesis for the next five years with Jeff. But it was funny because you guys had, everybody had different ways they, because we take the court. It's a free course you can get at Hillstale. So what we're asking is this.

Go watch the lecture and then there'll be like a lecture associated with the episode. So we'll do the lecture one in the first episode. And it's all free. And there's no ads in the episodes either, which is nice. It's at Unashamed for Hillsdale.com and you can sign up for free and take the courses with us. But it was funny. We all took notes because we went through the course. And Al comes in with a notebook.

I have my laptop. Handwritten notes. you had handwritten that's at my laptop John Lake what did you have an iPad John Nick had it and then Christian pulls out of his phone he was like well we're all

represented we had you could literally see the generational approach did you all figure out what would be the testosterone level of Methuselah about before he died what was he 9 that well you know that would see that's the

that's the stuff he thinks about that's where he goes on the well I'm just saying you started talking about that. These people were living 900 years. Almost a thousand years. So is middle age like 450? Well, that's the way my brain thought about it, but somehow I don't think...

You think he was youthful right up until he was a thousand years? Well, I don't know, I'm just saying. I think we try to rationalize it in our finite mind. Is he having like a midlife crisis at five years? Yeah. I think so. I'm five. He'd get a new camel and it's like, you know,

I'm going to get a little sportier camel. I'm 500. I mean, I'm just out there. But it shows you the power of God, because he's like, I'm going to remove some of my power, and they're going to be whatever. I think it says 120. Well, I've always thought, and we may have talked to it.

Genesis. He says they'll now be 120. Yeah. And then in Psalms, it's like gets down to 70. So I guess we had another. And I think Abraham was 150. He got a little extra. But he had a kid.

kid at 100. Well, right. I mean, and was that, I mean, obviously, he was capable, right? So he was, he was high he was called. He was probably 200. He was probably 12 years old. He's still, he still got children. Abraham had high tea. Yeah, he was hot tea. He was good. Well, it always, it always fascinates me because people are like, well, we're living longer, you know, and I'm like, not really if you take Genesis into account. Yeah. So there's that. Yeah. And then in, what is it, Psalm 90, which, which Moses wrote, he says, he's the first one that said, 70 years, 80, if you have the strength. I mean, Moses wrote that song. So even in his lifetime, which would have been a couple thousand years before Christ,

4,000 years from us, he was basically saying we get about what we have now. How did he know that? How did he know that? That's exactly right. And the life expectancy would have been shorter probably anyway. But he, you know, later on in time, I mean, you go through people. periods of time with life expects us

he's like 30-something years old. I mean, y'all would be old men to live to 30. So, it's crazy. Pretty crazy. Exactly. Well, you know, Abraham, Abraham had to have had a high tea

because in Genesis 12 through 14, he was about probably 75 to 80 years old when he went in, when he raised up the, he had the 300-something-trained men. Do you remember the story? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. He rode it into battle. He was basically doing what I'm doing to Willie's son-in-laws. I want to mention that because you play, you've, your own, one of your roles in the, what do they call it, the Duck Dynasty, the revival. Yeah, I keep on said the revolution. It's not a revolution. The revival is that you're kind of part of this like bringing these boys along.

I'm not kind of part of it. Al, look. I mean, are you all that. By Jace, that's what I'm wondering. It seemed like it when we first got out there. I mean, I'll let you. Yeah, no, you definitely are. Because I think you're intimidating from the standpoint of even if you did something good,

you still would have said it was bad. So I think it's intimidating from the standpoint of there's. Wow. Wow. Like even if we did something well, it still would have been critiqued. So I think you're intimidating in that aspect. It's called constructive criticism. You've got to learn his love language.

If he says something like, well, it's not the worst thing I've ever seen. Translation, that's awesome. Well, what Christian didn't realize is. I've had better. So look, so I'm going to give you the insights here on how to de-upefy a segment of the population, which is what, your father-in-law commissioned me to do this before they, this show even came about he's like yeah won't you take them and uh you know just show them how to survive in the woods which i translated that to de yuppify they rough them up a little bit because i mean

they're they're not going anywhere so that was his speech to me yeah that's fair that's how they started so i went the jesus model which is he asked way more questions than he received right So when this our first scene started, I just asked a simple question since you're part of a company called Duck Commander, and they make duck calls. And I was like, why do we blow a duck call? And you and who was the other one? Jacob.

Yeah. It was just crickets. Just think about it. You're part of this company. You're married into it. So I took that to mean whatever you thought you knew, because y'all didn't even give me an answer. It was just like, silence.

I don't know is what I translated that to mean. So that's why I came across a little more harshly because I thought, boy, this is worse than anticipated. Well, your questions had multiple. Because one of the things you asked was like, like what's the most important thing about, hunting or why do you hunt and I think my answer was like to have fun or something like that but your answer was survival I was like it's you know just to have well he the way he just

grabs it on the pocket it's like a mating ritual I mean he hunts so that his wife will sleep with him is like that is what we're doing we're offering the greatest love language in the waterfowl world. This is... So my wife will have sex with me. It's just bizarre. He wants high tea, Al. He's trying to get that tea up.

Exactly why I said that's the theme of this podcast today. You are laughing, but you don't realize somehow we're convincing these wild ducks to come to our party. And nothing's real. But we simply gave them a speech. And somebody went, Ooh, I like her.

So whatever I said, communicated, bonding, love. And boy, it'll, that's biblical, Al. It's like an ox going to the slaughter. Read Proverbs 7. I feel like there's an inner fill being channeled here. It is. We've tapped into it. I can back this up by pure unadulterated scripture.

Don Lou, you grew up. So are you part of the, are you on the show? Are you part of this little flash? I'm on the show, but I'm not in the, Oh, you're not in that little group, okay. Well, he had one, there was one guest appearance in this thread line. Yeah. Because he said that.

He's like, look, we're going to now just literal flesh and blood. Yeah. And so we had a night in the swamp. And it was kind of a generational thing. Yeah. Because you had your son. My son was there. Yeah.

And I was kind of in charge of training on the, this operation. But that actually went well. They did better than the son-in-laws in that moment. But having said all that, I think from where you were to where we're at now. There's been progress. You got to feel pretty good about yourself. I do.

I feel a lot better than what we're starting. Every show needs a foil and a villain, too. And so Jay feels that role beautifully. No, I'm now impressed. I mean, the process. It's working on. Stone is the villain. Yeah, Stone's a villain.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No doubt about it. Yeah. Just by nature. He wakes up being a villain. By nature. It works that well. So I will say, I will say this because we've got to go.

But you guys are great on the podcast. I love your perspective. I love us doing it together. John Lucas, I call it. Same thing on Duck Dynasty, the original in this one as well. Sneaky funny is what I call him. Like he's because he's kind of straight, lace, and nerdy and smart. But he's sneaky funny too because he'll just throw one in there.

And he especially does it to Christian, which I especially loves it. You get me a good one early on in the podcast. Yeah, which is really good. So we want you to check it out. Zach, tell them where they can see it again for these guys go. Well, you can watch it wherever you, you're currently watching it. But we also want you to sign up and take the course with us, which is at Unashamed for Hillsdale.com.

That's Unashamed for Hillsdale.com. Yeah, take the course. The material is great. The professor is fantastic. We're getting geared up for our next thing to do because we're going to do several of these classes and several podcasts this year. So, you know, if you guys love it,

we'll keep doing it because we enjoy it. And I love the learning. I learned a lot from Dr. Jackson. So I encourage you guys, check it out every Friday, Unashamed for Hillsdale. And John Luke and Christian, love you guys. Thanks for coming on.

Thank you. Thanks for having us. All right. We'll take a break and we'll bring in more high tea. Welcome back to Unashame. We lost two use, but we gained one better. And do I have the combined testosterone of those two? I would say probably, yes, just looking at the way you still.

They were all talking of their ages, but, you know. I think Christian's probably certainly hot tea. He's a big old boy. Oh, he is. There's no doubt. Are you in your 30s? 39. Okay.

Yeah, he's hanging on. 40. You're like in between us. So Kyle Thompson is here, for those of you listening. I forget sometimes if you're not watching that you would know this, but Kyle has been on before. Undaunted Life is his podcast. It's one of our brother podcasts, I'd call it.

That's right. Instead of sister. But he, so it mainly is aimed at men and what he does, but it's really, really good, which I want you to tell our audience again because you're always picking up new people.

But you come down usually once a year in our own our podcast, and then one of us usually does yours. Dad has done yours in the past, which was really great. So I always enjoy the visit because you usually come down and spend the weekend with us. he does jujitsu so instantly he's a big hit in my household because most of my grandkids and

son-in-law are into that way. I feel like instead of rugs, y'all should just have mats out in all your different rooms because like fights to spontaneously break out like in the middle of dinner. When Zach and his crew comes down, they just go right into it. They're just looking for a new dummy to roll with. Yeah, a new victim. It's good for you. And last night we came, or maybe it was the first night you came, we came into eating. So around the dinner table, which there's like 12 chairs because they have a big area in there. There's all the geese laying out. Everything's drying out. You know, he's like, this is my kind of household. Yeah, it's a kind of house that you need. But that's the thing is my goal now is

every year I come down is just to peel off another family member to get them to start training. And so Stone's wife is like- He's trying to work on me, but I told him it ain't happens. Well, we're in the same way class now. Well, we are. Right. So we weigh the exact same right now. So we're basically the same thing. Right. So we're like the same creature. Yeah. We'll get you, we'll get you squared away jace i mean come on no you're wrestling frogs and you heard you were listening when these these young ewes i was a commodeer to train them in the outdoors yeah so at some point in all of that i met jay up at the jitzu gym and so they thought oh i'm fixed to i'm fixed to get back at old jace and i was like nope

I said, I'm training of the mind. I'm changing you from the inside out. That is my department. Oh, he tried to goad you for a while, didn't he? Because he wanted to work. Well, they thought, yeah, they thought that's what was going to happen. But I was like, I started quoting Bible verses the weapons I fight with are not the ways of the world. So everybody's got to know their role.

That's what I told Kyle, though, it's like, Jay at first tried to get me to come. And I realize it's his school and he's an owner and all this. He's trying to expand. And it is good for people. I'm a pro-jitsu. But I was like, you are the worst poster for jiu-jitsu because every night you come in, you're hurt. Like he's always constantly, Jay is constantly hurt because he started this later in life.

And he's rolling out there with these young people. And like Kyle, he wouldn't even hardly do anything with Kyle anymore. He'll hurt me. And so I'm like, I don't, like, I live my life now to not get hurt. Like, everything I do is cautious. I don't even do it. But, Al, you get to choose your pain, right? So you get the pain of non-use of your body.

You get the pain of use of your body. The pain of not knowing how to fight. The pain of knowing how to fight. It's just better to know how to fight, you see? So you just like, you just recategorize it. I'm just going to choose no pain. So I fight with words, and I tell them, I'm like, but I have, I'm pretty good with weapons.

And I'm better from distance. Do you have a weapon on you now? because the distance isn't that far between us just in case things go poorly. I'm also very quick. As we saw in the recent frog hunting video. He still got it. You saw me sacrifice.

He watched that last month. My body and I think we shared it. For the sake of Miss Kay, right? She needed frog legs and you went out there and made it happen. That was the funniest thing about the bite because they released it yesterday was what you've talked about on the podcast was that you said,

I did this for my mom, and then they showed this picture of mom. It was just hilarious. Like then you were talking about if we get two for Ms. K and it pops up, you know, if we get eight was for Jace and then it's. Yeah, I had a little segue because Jay was looking at me like, because I thought, okay, well, we need at least two for. And then I'm thinking, I'm good for six because I hadn't had frogs in forever.

And I'm the one doing the sacrifice in here. But Jay was looking like, what about me? And so I was like, anything over eight, you get involved. Which he didn't because you ate them. He didn't be, no, I had them. I cooked them. And then I said, I got the frogs ready. And he said, well, I called him up.

He said, well, me and Anna went out to eat. And I gave him, this shows you you're never too old to get a life lesson. I said, you messed up when you went out to eat. So I gave K4 and I ate 9 because we had 13. Well, Jason, you didn't tell Jay because I didn't. announced to him last night your pronouncement on the podcast that that officially retired you from the front of the boat jay did not know that yeah and i haven't told him but it it's and i said did not say last night Kyle you witnessed it yeah that i said jays in my opinion is is probably the

greatest all-time frog catcher in our family and i never saw really dad doing it because that was kind of you know but i'm sure well he trained other people and and well i was always a motor Al, that was a part of my... I was never a catcher. That was a part of my retirement because I thought back to my dad. Yeah, I thought... You know, he was pretty slick.

At one point, he's back there on the back of the boat running the motor. Because the motor is a... A good motor man, because you missed two in the video. It was the motor man's fault. Too slow. Oh, I told him. I'm sure they didn't run that.

At one point, you look behind you're like, why aren't you going? Yeah, they did that in there? No, that's in there. You're like, go. I was like, failure to engage. And so, but he was worried about the equipment. And that's, when you go frog hunting, which, you know, what I train young men,

we're not worried about that piece of equipment. That is to be used. You know, we don't want to be stupid. But if you have to go to get the frog, that's just part of the sacrifice that we may rip the lower unit off of this motor. And I'm, I put my speech. you know, where my heart is because when that frog jumped,

even though I didn't want to jump, I knew the rule is if he jumps, you jump. And when I landed, that's when the retirement thought hit in my mind because I thought, I'm not sure I can get up after this. I told Jay last night. So do you, do y'all, have you ever been prognum?

Nope. Did they do it in Oklahoma? I mean, have you heard of people doing it? Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff in Oklahoma that I didn't. Because I mean, I was playing sports and doing school and like no one in my family did outdoor stuff. Like, you know, we didn't hunt, we didn't fish, we didn't camp. But you duck on that because you see me pictures. Yeah, so that's what I was telling some of the guys outside to where it's like,

okay, so I'm learning all that stuff in my 30s and into my 40s because I got a five-year-old and a three-year-old son. And so like last night I phacetimeed him and I said, hey, Jay's got to show you something. And then he, you know, blew into a duck call. And they just, like, they thought that was the coolest thing in the entire world. That guy can make, you know, a duck sound or something like that. And so I want to figure that stuff out so that my,

my boys, you know, have a chance to grow up with it to where it's not weird and all this stuff. Because now duck hunting, our theory is the flyaway has now moved over because we don't see as many dugs as we used to. But you guys, you're in Oklahoma, they're in prime territory. I mean, that's where all the ducks seem to be. Yeah. Oklahoma, Texas. Yeah, here, Arkansas.

I got friends that go up to Arkansas and do a lot of trips. And so, you know, it's just, part of it's just a humility thing. Because like with undone of life, you get any manner of guys that kind of come in there. And sometimes you got a little bit of an ego thing. I just encourage guys all the time. Don't pretend like you know something that you don't because you're stealing an opportunity from somebody to show you something. Like, imagine somebody coming into jiu-jitsu and pretending like they know how to do

jiu-jitsu. It's going to be pretty apparent pretty quickly whether or not they actually do. Same thing with duck hunting. Same thing with working on engine. Same things with, you know, operating on the water. Like, if you don't know what you're doing, just be like, hey, I'm dumb, but I'm also a sponge. Like, let show me, like, teach me. And so he's sitting there, we're in the duck call room and we're in the duck shop.

and he's showing me different calls and how to use them and okay, this was Phil's idea with this one and okay, well, Jace actually made this one and this is what he likes about this. And imagine me being like, oh yeah, well, I've seen that before when I hadn't. Like that's just ridiculous. Like just sit there, just be willing to learn, be humble and just go for it. Yeah, yeah.

Watch and learn. Well, that's the thing about even frogs. I mean, 70% of them, it looks easy. You saw after that first one. Yeah, you made it look pretty easy. Yeah, you go up there and, you know, you catch them. What separates the real frog hunters is when danger makes itself apparent and then you overcome. I mean, I have about three moments where I went to the next level.

I mean, one is we look down there, there's a huge frog there, but we can't get to him because the water was shallow. So we pull up on the bank, but somebody got to shine in the other lights, and they're like, is that a cotton mouth? And I was like, oh, so there was a cotton mouth in between me and the frog. Well, they look to the right, there's another cotton mouth. They look to the right of that, there's another cotton mouth, and then the frall. So everybody's just being silent, like, well, can't get him.

And I thought, this is where the true fraud hunter has to come up. So I turned around and I said, boys, there's an event in the Olympics that is worldwide. It's called the triple jump. and people, they get medals and they're celebrated. If I pull this off, if I pull this off. Now, this ought to be an Olympic event. Put a cotton mouth. I'm going to, here's what I'm going to do.

Because the problem with the cotton mouth is that on the backside, if I get on the backside and make the, by the time they turn around to strike, I'm gone. Because I knew the bank was firm. And so I just did it. I turned my hat around backwards. I took off and went one, two. When I hit the third launch point, the frog jumped sideways,

and then I dove and called the frog. And did you ever look back to see what the snakes were doing? Oh, yeah, they never moved, which I thought was pretty incredible. Yeah. You know, they just never moved. I don't think it was the element of surprise. I mean, what is that? And it was so quick.

Of course, I walked all the way back around because now I had alerted them that I'm in the area. And boy, we hooped and hollered and high-fived and I like the element of danger. I mean, there's a thin line between being courageous and stupid. But I thought it was doable. I would say you crossed that line, but, you know, I wasn't there. So I'm not going to do that. This is what you start doing when you retire. You start telling about the times.

Like, yeah, okay, that happened. And people witnessed it. And they thought, okay, that's next level. The triple. Is that going to be part of Christian and the rest of the crew, like you bringing them up in the ways of non-yuppiness or whatever you were saying? That would be a great thing. The whole theme line is this training.

And, you know, people think reality TV, oh, they're making this up. No, this is real actual occurrences. We're just doing it. So, like, today. The Stone had already started this with them, like, some years back, like when they came in the family. Oh, we had a meeting, man, Jeff. and it was like, you know, we need to, because we need their youth and energy and basically their sweat.

And they still, they're not, they're not. That's right. They're not smart enough to get it. They don't realize. They just need a little bit of molding. This teaching is actually doing a bunch of work that we don't want to do. Which is what dad did to us, right? Remember he was so good at it?

He said, look, look at that. That's why you have sons. Yeah, we would be like, we'd be down there just hossing something, you know, and you're just straining. And he said, look at that. Look at that. But really, the genius in it is because we're doing the same thing in the military. We're breaking them down because they think they know everything.

That's why I did that about the questions. I mean, it's great TV because they're making them, their answers are making themselves look like idiots. I mean, look, from brush, you know, I'm like, look, here are the choices. Go get these. You have five minutes. Of course, I'm going to use all their brush and brush all the blind. They're not putting two and two together.

But you put it in a competition for them. They take off running, tearing, ripping. But what's amazing, they bring all the brush. I just showed them what I want. And they're like, they're just grabbing anything. I'm like, no, look at the leaves here. Wrong, wrong. But they're looking at it.

I'm like, a toddler would know that that's not this. That's why you're like, you're being hard on us. I'm like, you have eyes. I gave you the example. This is what I want. You brought something that is undesirable. So that's kind of the process of it all. So today is the last hurrah.

Oh, so you're actually still. Today's the last filming day. Yeah, I will be filming eight hours after today. It's quite the doozy. But we'll see where they're at as far as manna, because we'll put them to the test. Well, that's interesting because, yeah, we've got them more on the intellectual side.

that Zach and I will promise you this out when they wake up in the morning they will not be able to move that's the plan that's the goal well you though is the question oh i'm gonna be sitting under an umbrella in a chair barking we're not we're not that hard on them we're actually our setup's a little more kind but i'll give them credit they're uh they've done really well i mean we've made this as difficult as possible and i think they probably would have cracked if the tv cameras weren't rolling but there's a certain pride man he just gets back up well i told willie will he came by

the other day and i i love the show i love what they're doing with it i love all the easter eggs to the old show that are there and that's why i love this you know this is kind of like you guys are now what dad did and all the discussion remember dad would have all the birds and bees

talks with that with your kids and with willy's kids and now they're older we don't need the birds and bees they got that they're all having kids like I mean, now we're 60 in the family. So now it's stuff like this. Well, the two things that have benefited from it, which I underestimated, is one, if you want to be like a successful duck hunter or outdoors,

you have to enjoy the process. You're not worried about, like at this stage of my life, I'm excited. Somebody actually asked me that yesterday. Like, do you still get excited about duck hunting? And I was like, that excitement's never going away. And they're like, well, why is that? And I said what I'm fixed to say. I said, because I enjoy the process.

process. The whole scheme of things from developing the land, planting the crops, and brushing the blot, moving the location. Because it's a yearly project. It's not just the hunt. But think about anything you really love or you're really successful at it. You have to embrace that. Well, they're hooked on that now. Because their problem when they first came down there on opening day, none of them did anything. They sat over there on their phones while we're hunting. Me and Jay was just looking at each other. Of course, Jay lit. after the hunt, he gave the most fiery, withering speech, challenge their manhood.

And he's like, this is pathetic. You think that we got up this morning and got all this ready so you could sit on your rear end and check your phone and then look around, you know. Oh, get up and shoot every once a while. And miss. It was just pathetic, you know. But the process, I mean, that's what we talk about with Jiu-Jitsu. I just say, this is right in your will.

Because, you know, when I look at my life and, you know, 39, going on 40, it's like, okay, there's like four things that I started my journey on that have, like, completely changed my entire life. So it's a 15-year-old, started my journey as a Christian. You know, 22 years old, started my journey as a husband, you know, early 30 starting my journey as a father. And then at the age of 30, I started doing Jiu-Jitsu. And the thing with doing something like jujitsu, it's what you're talking about, Jase, where if you just want the result,

you black belt or winning a tournament or being able to win a street fight or all that, you will flame out so fast. Oh, yeah. Because you, it doesn't matter your physical abilities. It doesn't matter how fast or strong or athletic you are when you begin. You're a toddler. You're a baby deer.

Like you don't know anything yet. And you have to basically humble yourself to the process of getting better. and then you see these corollaries to all these other areas of your life, right? So whether you're, you know, going into scriptural study or in your job or in your relationships, your marriage, it's that resilience because you can't really explain to someone why you keep coming back. Because it's like, wait, every time I see you, you're injured or you've got, you know, rash, you know, mat burn on your face and, you know, you're just constantly getting smoked by all these

people. Why do you keep going back? And the only real answer is because I have to, right? And so the same thing, like I look at my own Christian walk and different, you go through different seasons of, you know, where you feel like you have plenty of, you have a lot of plentiful energy or maybe you're like kind of in the valley. It's like you have to have the resilience to see yourself through to the other side of the valley.

Because, you know, Psalm 23, it's not that God delivers you from the valley. It's that he's there with you. And the implication is we're all either coming out of the valley and the valley are about to go into it. And so if you don't have the right kind of resilient mindset, if you're not playing the long game, right? Because when you're doing something outside of hunting season, it may seem kind of foolish. But while you're doing the hunting, it's like, okay, well, this result would not have happened if all this other work had not gone into it.

Oh, exactly. Yeah, you just have to use. They've learned that process. I mean, one thing we didn't film, I mean, like the second day of till season, they were all out there. Well, the motor, you know, quit running. And they were like, what are we going to do? You know, they were getting their phones out. And we're like, put your phone up.

Get your rear in out of the boat and start walking. And they're like, what are you going to do? I was like, I'm going to be riding. You are dragging the boat. You are dragging the boat. I said, have you put one thing into this operation? Monetarily, physically? I was like, that means you walk and we ride.

We paid for this. If you want to bring a motor next time, bring it. Right now you are the motor. You're not bringing anything to the table. means you walk and you pull us then you'll appreciate having a nice motor now you see why you see the old movies about when they're carrying the people around on the you know four corners that's this is where that starts it's so funny because then what i'm saying well my boots are not you know because he had hip boots on and they're like what do i do i was like you're going to get wet

i mean i was like we're men well you see it wasn't obvious to them that that was going to be the result but next year it'll be obvious right they're like they're going to have some expectations it's really changed a lot well it is it makes an interesting point because you both brought it out that the younger too that you started something the more it becomes a part of who you are that's like another language it is and so like if you grow up hunting like we did from a very early age you know things early that you didn't have to be taught but when you come into the game later you don't it's the same with the spiritual wall it's the same with jiu jiu jitsu because i noticed my grand granddaughter, Sage, she just is such a natural because she started so young.

Yesterday I preached. And so it just so happened to the little kid that did my scripture reading does jiu-jitsu. And he's eight years old. But he doesn't go to J school. He goes to another school in town. So I didn't know much about him. And so I like to do a little banter with him.

And you never know how kids are going to react. You know, you ask them something on stage. You never know what you're going to get. So I asked this kid yesterday, I said, so I understand you do you do jiu-jitsu. I said, how long would it take you to do it? choked me out you know and so I just stuck the mic there and he went uh like he's he's doing the math he's thinking right he said I don't know and I said eight seconds that's how long it would take I'm looking at you and he just kind of chuckled and he did the scripture but it's the idea

of life training right I mean just you know the younger the better would you also give yourself opportunities for other people to kind of dote on you a little bit so you know best in the world, a buddy named Adam, he and I, we hunt White Tail together on his property. And so, you know, I've made mistakes on his land before where I took an animal that was, you know, the biggest buck I had ever seen. But in terms of the property for an experienced hunter, it was not a shooter, right? And so this was years ago. And so, okay, you learn and with every season, you pick up a little bit more. Well, I passed on a buck this last hunting season. And when we got back to, we got back to the, you know, the campsite or whatever, he goes,

you're a blue belt and hunting now. I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, just about everybody that we would bring out on this property would have taken that buck and you let him go because he wasn't quite ready. And you're right, he wasn't quite ready. And the whole time I'm sitting there in the blind like, oh my gosh, I let a shooter go.

Like, what am I going to do? My family's not going to be able to eat. You know, I'm like, you know, panicking and all this kind of stuff and then, you know, film a little bit down. But then you get back and someone's like, well, no, like, he learned that lesson when he was seven, you know, what a shooter is. And here I am 37 at the time.

And it's like, oh, okay. But then for James and Eli, my five-year-old and my three-year-old sons, they're going to learn these lessons early because, you know, hunting and outdoor stuff kind of skipped a generation or two in my family. But I see the value in it, right? So when I think hunting, I don't think fun or this is going to be like a great time, even though it might be. It's like, no, I'm learning provision. I'm learning how to provide for my family and others. And, you know, you just give someone another opportunity to like look after you, to mentor you, to, to, to, rib you and give you crap you know that's that's part of the process as well and with that you're you're

i mean basically the model is i mean just think how much we're studying john and he's like i'm leaving you an example yeah um as the father sent me i'm sending you i mean this is the creative universe training men yeah to be his representatives and his and it was a crash course because it was only three years i mean it's all he had with him and that's what i was going to say is the second thing that came out of this well all of a sudden our relationship improved i mean I mean, literally kind of military style broke down. Then they start improving because they start realizing, I need to bring something to the table here.

And then it makes them think, what am I good at? Which I gave them that speech. I'm like, you're good at something. And I got that from our dad. I was like, everybody's good at something. You're good at something. And it may be hard to find right now, but there's something in this operation.

But you're going to have to show up thinking, you know, and I usually quote that verse where Jesus, you know, said that I didn't come to be served but to serve. Because they don't realize how much work is involved in hunting, the whole process of it all. And then they're convicted because they realized, oh, I was just showing up thinking about me, you know, oh, can I shoot something, you know, detached from the process. And so they all have had that awakening at some point during that. And I'm really proud of it went quicker than I thought, them just improving.

And even in our relationship, I noticed that when we see each other in various other places now, the conversation is way more spiritual. Yeah. Also, because all of a sudden, they're humble. Yeah. And they're thinking, this is right. And they realize that this is, you know, we're doing this based on the model of faith. And we talked about this yesterday, Kyle, you and I had learned.

discussion about humility having to be that baseline to learn anything but especially when you're talking about spiritual stuff if you don't have a humble heart to start with you miss it yeah don't get that opportunity when it's like we were talking a little bit off air about people that have very strong very specific theological categories and and persuasions and they want to fight these you know tertiary doctrines to the death with people and things like that and like that can be fun you know sparring and doing some stuff like that with different people but ultimately you have to bring a huge humility to the process because, you know, with undaunted life, I'll get invited to come speak in front of a group of people. And I literally got an email while I was sitting at your house. It was from

this group. They're like, we need to bring in a guy that's going to hit our men in the face with a shovel. And we think you're that guy. And I'm like, funny thing, I agree with your assessment. I do think I am that guy. Because my style when I go and speak somewhere is burn it down and walk away. Because I don't live here, right? So if I go to, you know, wherever'sville, Minnesota, like, I don't live here, you live here, your people live here, make sure you have a net ready to catch these guys, let's just burn off the stuff that's worthless and then let's build back up with the stuff that's actually worthwhile. And I just tell these guys, whether you're on the, because we always talk about equipping men to push back darkness. That's why undoneed life is here. Okay, well, how do we

do that? Well, we show men how to be spiritually, mentally, and physically resilient. Every man is typically drawn to one of those naturally. So, like, if you were a college athlete or something like that, you've already been physical, you've dominated using your physical body, so physical resilience is something you'll be drawn to. But maybe you haven't read a book since high school. Okay, well, that's problematic. Or maybe you're like drawn to scripture and you love the theological underpinnings and making all the connections and all that.

But physically speaking, you've let yourself go or you've never got yourself going to begin with as it pertain to your body. I can relate to that. When we talked about that, whenever I interviewed you recently for my show, do you just find yourself in this place where you're like, man, I'm not honoring this meat chassis that God gave me and he only gave me one. And I'm not, you know, stewarding it well. And it would just be like someone giving you money and you don't steward that well either.

Like that's not going to be worthwhile. But again, with all these things, you have to bring humility to it. Because same thing with Scripture. When we started doing the forging table on undoneed life where we're covering scripture, you know, usually a chapter at a time, an hour at a time, even though we're crawling through the Book of Romans right now, we just wrap Genesis. And if you just go and saying like, yeah, I know, Genesis. Well, it's like, no, we're going to be in Genesis for seven, eight, nine months.

Let's dig in. And then if you go into the scripture, assuming, no, I already know this. I don't need to study it further. There's nothing else that the text can give me in terms of understanding. The Holy Spirit can't allow me to understand things in a deeper way. It's just like, man, you are working with both hands tied behind your back. Yeah. Yeah. And I mentioned this yesterday in my sermon, that the beauty of the Bible is why it's, you know, I was teaching a historical lesson out of the a book of Joshua where there's something specific happens, and then it ends. And so you're like, well, we wrap that up, but it didn't end.

Like, when you turn the page over to judges, it got worse, you know. So all these things happened because it kept going. And so it's the same thing. The Holy Spirit wrote these things through men and women as to they were carried along in prophecy and all these different things. And so, you know, the Hebrew writer said it's a living, breathing, active word. and so it doesn't change, but we change, as to your point, and so it impacts us that way. Well, now you brought this up yesterday in your sermon, you know, in Joshua 24, where it's like, as for me in my house, we will serve the Lord.

And so, you know, y'all's dad has left a tremendous impact on me and stamp on my life because, Jace, I don't know if you know this, because Al, Al didn't know this. But this would have been, when did it uncancel come out? Two years ago? Probably three years ago. So I'm sitting in your seat and Phil's sitting right there. there at the old studio. And we get done doing the interview. And he goes, we in this together, brothers.

And he just, you know, we give knuckles across the table. And that's how the interview ended. So all the, you know, cameras turn off, lights turn off or whatever. And so I'm just getting my stuff getting ready to go. Because in typical feel fashion, I assume he's going to take his headphones off and then, you know, hop in the truck and head back home to Ms. K. He gets up, puts his headphones down, walks around the table and gets right face-to-face and he goes, no matter what, you keep going.

you've got a gift. God has given this to you for a reason, and you go get after these men. And I'm just like, because when you're on the tip of the spear, guys, like, I don't get a lot of encouragement, right? You know, guys send me these wonderful emails

about things they've changed in their life and all that, but I'm really drawn more to the negative. So if someone says something negative, I kind of dwell on that. But when you're at the tip of the spear and you're the head of your own household, and you're trying to make sure that you're setting the spiritual, you're the spiritual thermostat,

not thermometer for your house. Sometimes you run into some discouragement, right? Oh, yeah. And I can always go back to that moment and be like, it's not like in that moment I knew what I was here for. I already kind of had the mission to equipment to push back darkness. But that's like an anchor point, like, because some guys get really untethered, right?

So they're untethered from their church community. They're untethered from their family. They're untethered from the Word of God. But that's just like a point that I can like, you know, chain myself to and be like, no matter what happens, no matter how we get beat around, you know, in the waves or whatever, going back to that moment where Phil looked me dead in the eye and said, you were basically, you were built for this. Like, don't let anyone tell you you weren't.

Oh, that's good. Which is powerful. I want to share these two verses, because this was kind of the model I thought about in our little training thing, but something really spiritual came out of, but this is James 316. This is kind of what we fight against. it says for you for where you have envy and selfish ambition there you find disorder and every evil practice and you know our team and i view it as a team in the hunting world it only takes one self-centered person or full of envy to disrupt the whole operation which is why jay gave the infamous

opening day speech because all these young boys showed up and they were envious and very self-absorbed during the hunt as in they tried to leave without even picking up the deco it they just all started walking to the to the rigs and jay was like hey get over here and one of them said well i got to go and he said you ain't leaving here without me And so the other, so that's what we're battling. And look, us as humans, that's where sin comes from. Envy and selfish ambition, that's what it says. Every evil practice.

And the other one when Paul was trained in Timothy, this is 2nd Timothy 2, he says, verse 1, you then my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, which should be the battle cry of men. Be strong in the grace of our Lord Jesus. And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses, entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others. And then I don't think by accident, because he's giving you this model of this passing it down, just like Jesus deal with his disciples.

But then he's like, endure hardship with us like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. I mean, I love how he's like, yeah, we're going to pass this on. It's not going to be easy. There's going to be hardship. This is going to be tough. And so that's why I gave that military type analogy because he literally called us soldiers of Jesus. And really any group of soldiers will tell you their first priority

are the guys right beside them. Right. And being a team player. And that's why you're battling the self-absorbed and the envious, you know, among us. Well, one of my, you know, I like military history and stuff like that. And so you think of the phalanx. So if you've watched the movie 300, that's the failings where you've got your sword or you've got your spear, your offensive weapon in your right side. But on the left side, you're holding your shield.

But your shield is protecting your left side and the person next to you, their right side. Right. And so you're in this phalanx formation and you can kind of turtle up and it was a really good defensive formation for offensive, you know, advancement. But one thing that, you know, as I was looking into the failings that I found interesting is they found out early on that depending upon who, who was to your left or your right, that really had a huge impact on whether or not you stayed in failings formation. And so they started putting your brother on your left,

your uncle on your right, your first cousin to his right. Because the odds of you taken off when your shield is protecting your brother goes down considerably. And when you think about the Christian walk, like this is one of my big drums that I beat and Joby Martin,

who y'all have had on the show, who's, you know, big on this. He calls him Matt Tote. I call it a fox hole, foxhole, you need guys that are willing to, at any time a day, I even call them 3 a.m. friends, to do what it takes to get you to the feet of Jesus. So he talks about Mark Chapter 2, I believe it's Mark Chapter 2 where, you know, the paralytic had one guy on each corner of his mat and they did physical property to someone, or physical damage to someone else's property, right?

They tore through this dude's roof to lower their buddy down to the feet of Jesus. And it's like most guys don't have four names that they could write down in the margins of their Bible right now of guys in their life that they can do that with. Yeah. But it's like they can't even fathom being in a failings formation with other guys because they don't take it seriously. Yeah. And some guys, you know, maybe their wife isn't big on them leaving and going hanging out with buddies or maybe they're more, you know, submissive in their personality or they're not really extroverted. But the thing is, is when the day comes, when you get that call that brings you to your knees or when you get that diagnosis from the. the doctor or something like that.

If you have an invested time in other men, like it's one thing to have fellas that'll help you move a table or, you know, fix a motor or something like that. But if you got fellas and you don't have brothers, if you don't have, you know, people, matoters matching other calls on the king's table, I call them a foxhole, you're so far behind. Like as Jobby puts it, it's like, it's like being of retirement age and deciding to say for retirement. Yeah. It's like, bro, you're so far behind.

You can't even fathom it. All right. We're out of time. Counts always the pleasure, haven't you. I always feel like we could just keep going. Let me say one thing about this Bible real quick. So one last thing in terms of how Phil has inspired me and really all of you guys, Phil always had his Bible,

either on his lap, on the table in front of them, under his hand. On his dashboard. Yeah, on his dashboard. It didn't matter where we were. At church, at the duck shop, you know, at the house, the Bible was nearby. And I realized I had all these apps on my phone,

these Bible apps. But if I'm sitting in a waiting room somewhere, even if I'm reading the Bible, no one else really knows that. If I'm reading the Bible at home, my kids maybe didn't know that. And so I actually got this Bible made at Ace Book Binding in Oklahoma City. And I got those gospel symbols. I know you probably can't see that on the camera right there. But the down arrow, the cross, the empty tomb, the up arrow, and the down arrow,

I got those put on the side of the Bible. And I got my logo on my name and all that. Because if someone's seeing me read this and I'm about to go in for a checkup or something else like that, give them the gospel about as quickly as you you can give it to somebody using these symbols right and the fact that it's on me and if i needed to pull my phone out for some reason i got to set this down to dig in my pocket and so that's just another thing you know with with his legacy and the legacy your family just making sure the gospel gets out to more people i love it it's a it's a paul to timothy

moment so uh check out uh Kyle it's uh under haunted life a lot of you already do uh check out what he's doing Kyle's always a pleasure having your own brother appreciate you guys all right we'll see next time Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.