Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1155 | Missy Goes to Washington, DC & the Robertson Hollywood Cameo Nobody Noticed

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

Jase prays his and Missy’s second attempt at a joint speaking gig doesn’t go as awry as the first. Al laments that no one saw his big Hollywood movie cameo. Missy goes to Washington, D.C., with Brave Books CEO Trent Talbot, reading books at the Library of Congress to champion wholesome, faith-guided story hours for kids. She describes how her hardest seasons built gratitude and a calling to help families trust the Lord.  Chapters: 00:00–08:33 Changing Jase’s Mind About Changing Clothes 08:35–13:48 Al’s Hollywood Movie Cameo 13:49–21:03 Jase & Missy’s Disastrous Joint Speaking Event 21:03–34:34 Don’t Say No When God Says Yes 34:35–43:50 Hard Times Make Us Who We Are 43:40–59:56 Missy Reads Aloud at the Library of Congress — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. We have, it's a new podcast, we've been so male-centric in the last podcast. Now we have feminized by bringing Missy in. Welcome, Missy. Yeah, we were very, we were calling it the high-tee, high-testosterone podcast. Not necessarily, I don't know, Jace probably doesn't get any blood test.

I know what my levels are, because I don't. the yearly check. I wanted to even ask what is the true definition of testosterone. It's a blood test? They can tell you from a blood test. Well, guess what? I take testosterone. Really?

Yes. No wonder you're the leader this year. I'm really confused. Well. I do because through menopause, they check my blood levels and told me what all I needed to be on. And I think her exact words were, we're going to get you feeling like. like you're back in your 20s. And I was like, not so sure that's possible.

But it's pretty close. Really? It's good. Oh, yeah. It's good. Yeah. Well, so the urology people that I go see that keep check on this stuff for me, I'm like, do you just take it if it gets low as a man?

Because a lot of times in men, you get lower too. And she said, well, the problem is if you start taking it as a man, then your body will quit production at all. I said, well, I don't like the sound of that. And she's, I said, what do I do? And she said, we need to start working out. And I said, oh. Well, Jay, so you have that.

Yeah. You need a catalyst. Well, I don't know. But now I have been. So now that I've lost the weight, I feel better. So I'm working out again and doing some weights. So I'm doing it naturally, which is much better. I mean, I think what I, what I do, the people like Jay, you know, I told him what I do.

And he's like, so I don't even think they view that as working out. I mean, I do a lot of stretching and a lot of. jumping and a lot because I'm swimming well the older you you have to work out smarter I mean I know there's I say that and there's probably people out there older than me that just throw weight around but I mean

as we begin to wear out a little bit we do have to be work out a little smarter I'm smarter than I was when I was 25th that's what I was saying if you want to do some things and I like to play golf which I've taken years off with you know and that was detrimental to my golf game but if you go play to a three

days, you know, in a row, you can't get up out of bed. So you have to have some because your body. I mean, have you ever seen the senior tour, Al? Have you ever watched that? Which, I don't know why you would. Yeah, it's been a minute. I was going to say, do they still air? Is it interesting?

No, here's what's fascinating. They're riding carts, I think. No, they all, yeah, they're riding carts. But look, the whole Unashamed Nation should watch this. Don't think about the golf. Don't watch it. Just look at how many appliances they have on their body.

Look, there's braces and sleeves and there's all kind of things. Because they've spent their live play and golf every single day. It looks like a commercial for all these. Like an orthopedic clinic had a stampede. They're not sitting home doing nothing. They're doing it and it's not stopping them.

They're just using all of these extras to make them feel good and make them feel better. I think it's keeping their body in one piece. Because what would make the ratings go up, Keep away from being Robocop. Well, it would make the ratings go off if a guy swings and his arm falls off. You're like, oh, whoa. You know, people come out there with the little stretchers.

Or all of a sudden it's just flopping around. I mean, I'm like, well, that's why I realized. I just saw that one day. And, Jase, we're now senior golfers. I'm officially a senior golfer. When you hit 50 is the crossover in golf. So I thought I might need to do some stretching. Stretching because I don't want to look like that.

We're just wearing all these appliances. You don't look like that. I'm going to brag on him because he does work out in our bedroom at home with just a few weights and some stretching and stuff like that. But now he's been swimming because it stretches his back muscles. And we're spending a lot of time in the pool with a.K. Little man these days too. But now you've got a tan. So you have a tan and your muscular.

I'm just saying you're fit. You're fit. Oh, we know. The other day we were, Zach was in North Carolina. in ghost stores. So Jace was here. And for some reason, he had to change shirts

in between podcasts or something. And so we all got the full view. We just like, oh, look at Jase is going shirtless for the podcast. I didn't realize. I mean, I'm like, you know, the producer threw me a shirt that put that on

for this commercial. And I was looking around. I thought, well, if this is where it has to happen. And then I didn't realize they're watching me. So all the side,

this is all front and center. What do you call it? I felt, insecure. Yeah, I felt insecure. I was like, well, sorry. I just thought it was a bold move. It was pretty good.

I might do it now. I wouldn't have done it a year ago. Yeah, you should do it now. So as dad used to do that, we go in the Baptistry, change the room, and like, you know, somebody's getting baptized. And so dad would be like, now we have waiters and stuff that you could put on. But in the old days, you just would get into something that was there to where to baptize people at the church building.

And dad would look around and say, we're all men here. and he would just strip down, just butt-necked. And it was so awkward. You're at church. It's a jumpsuit. You have to. You have to. But it was like, oh, and everybody, do we look?

Do we what do we do? He actually did that in my presence one day in there. And I said, Phil, that's why these stalls. There's a changing room. You close that. That's a private thing. You know what he said? He was like, hey, are we men?

God made you a man. But he grew up in locker rooms because he played sports his whole life in college and men don't think as much about it. But if there's a rule there, he's going to break it. Yeah. So that's just what's going to happen. Well, really, Holly.

He would always lead in, we're all men here. Then I knew what was coming, so I would turn and look away. It's not something you want to see. I hate to bring this up. But in Hollywood, there's no shame or there's no changing rooms. And you get used to that because they'll, you just, you do some scenes that they will then depict as, the next day.

See if to change clothes. You're out in the wood. There's nowhere to change clothes. You just, I just change them. I mean, it took, well, I don't. So, they're not sticking their hand down my shirt to put the microphone. I'm like, I'll be right back. Yeah.

So. Well, I'm saying we're men. We're out there. We do it. I'll have to do it today. You know, you bring a different. I'm the same way. I mean, I just changed right over here.

Well, my whole, I haven't done it on camera yet. I've shared this story before, but we did a commercial at the Civic Center. me and for the Super Bowl in a regional way. Because then I was watching the Super Bowl thinking, I'm fixed to be on a Super Bowl commercial. And it never showed up. And they paid me a substantial amount of money to do that. Me and Willie and Cy spent all day at the Civic Center.

And the commercial was like 15 seconds. And we were there all day. It was mainly blue screen. It did play, just not in our region. Yeah, not in our region. It was so disappointing, you know. But what I'm saying is when I walked in to, there was no special room, and there was this Russian accent woman, big woman, older woman, and she handed me my wardrobe.

Well, I was looking around, like, looking for a place to change because there were just people everywhere. There was no rooms. because they had taken the Civic Center where you would like sit at a concert and that was... The studio. There was nowhere to go. And she looked at me and she went,

off with the pants. And I was just like... In a Russian accent. Oh, I was thinking. Well, at least I have my underwear on. You know what if you've got on command of? I turned around and squeamishly got down to my... my underwear and changed in front of people walking by. And I thought, I guess this is Hollywood.

This is the hand up dealt here. They're paying me to do this. So that's what I did. But I don't know. It kind of changed me after that. I was like, no one cares here. So you said that about looking for it. It reminded me. So I did a cameo in a movie. The guy I had met. I can't remember where I met him initially. I think I met him in something with dad somewhere doing a movie or something. And so he did his own movie. And he's trying to get people like with high social media phones to just do little cameos in the movie. So I had this little small role in this movie and it's called Roe v. Wade. So it was about pro-life, which I'm all about.

And so there's a scene. So I'm like one scene I'm in with other actors. I only had one live, but I was so nervous about it, you know, but I pulled it off. But then there was a scene that was going to be at the end of the movie where my character, the person I'm playing, gets murdered. because this is a real-life story. And so it was a death scene. And I was so excited because it was like, I mean, you know, to get to be in a movie,

but to get killed in a movie. At what point did you realize you're not an actor and acting like you're dying? When I had to get with real actors and like say something, I was so nervous, I was so scared. But now the dying part was easy because it was just me out in a field.

I need to watch this somewhere. Well, wait to you hear the whole story. So I get, so Carly's with me. She's my little acting coach. you know, and she went with me to this shoot because it was like two hours south of here. It was a little too filmed around Baton Rouge. And so they squibbed me is what they call it.

So I had these blood packets under my shirt. And there's a guy there just off camera and he's got these little charges, you know. Of course they're like, do you have heart problems? You know, what does that mean? You know, well, you know, it is a charge. So anyway, this guy shoots me. We do the scene.

You know, I'm falling just right and all this stuff. So were they coaching you on this? Yeah, they tell you what to do. But it's like there's no lines or anything. Like this guy just walks up and shoes me. But, you know, the things go off. The blood goes everywhere. But he said, we only got two of these.

So, like, we got to nail this thing. But we did it one take, so I was happy. So then the guy, so I get the trailer of the movie. The movie's about to come out. And I see it just, you know, trailers are like this. But I see the deaths. I see me get shot. So I'm so excited.

I thought, oh, it made the movie. Because you know, movies are. And so we, we, we, screen it at the church. So I get up and I'm telling about the movie. And there's like 300 people at our church. They're going to watch this movie. And I'm like, no, you know, at the end, just be looking because there's something special.

I set the whole thing up, you know, don't tell them I'm getting shot. So we watch the movie. And the scene is in the middle of the movie of my line. But we get to the end and we're getting to the end and then it ends. And the credits are starting. And they never have the destiny. So then I kept thinking, well, I guess maybe they're going to do it like Dad's movie. where it just pops up somewhere.

I'm just, I'm hoping now, because I've said, I've told people this is happening. I saw it in the trailer. Never happened. Never made it. You never made the cut.

And so I was like, I was so distant. Then I got to do the walk of shame back up to the church and say, well, you know, the death thing didn't materialize. You never know.

And I was so embarrassed. And then so I called the guy, and he was doing another show in for that night. He said, yeah, he said, you know, we screen the things.

And it was in the movie. I was so excited about it was my Oliver Stone moment. He said, but it just people that were confused by it didn't make sense to some audience. So they cut it. It was the last cut. So you died and no one ever knew. No, it was the death that no one saw except for me. But anyway.

Wow. All right. Glad you came down to shame. We're done. No, so I don't know what made me. It made me think of that because you said that anticipating the thing that didn't happen. So that's what happened to me. Well, Missy and I want to announce we're fixed to do, I think, more than one.

We're going to do two. We're going to do two events, speaking of being nervous. Jason is doing a lot of pronouncements now, Missy. He pronounced that he was never going to catch any more frogs. We're going to do an event together. So I know that in the past that didn't go too well. No, it did not. The one time you told about the event, it sounded like a disaster.

Because he never let you talk. Is that what happened? Welcome to the Unashamed Pikes. And then when I finally got to talk, he went, no, that's not right. On stage in front of thousands of people. And I wasn't even supposed to be there. It was the beginning of Duck Dynasty. I booked the event for him.

It's back when I was booking all the events for all. And we got there because I would travel with him. And the main pastor there said, well, you come. up on stage too. Everybody knows who you are now too. So come up on stage. I was like, no, no, no, no. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, come.

I was like, you were like, come on, babe. It'll be great. So you're being goaded in front of the audience. And it was four times at the same church. Saturday night and three on Sunday. I did not come back on Sunday. You weren't going to go up again. No.

She got caught up on her sleep. So now Bonnie's like, okay, we have these, you know, two different people that want to have both of you speak. And I said, huh, no. Well, babe, let me throw myself under the buzz. You know how you do something together? This was like 13 years ago. This was spontaneous.

It happened. I did go to her. I shouldn't have. And then, you know, after you do something? Because that was kind of crazy. It was just like, yeah, come on up. She comes up. And then after it was over, I was like, well, I think that went pretty good.

And she wasn't speaking to me as we're going to the car. We had a car waiting for us to get out of there. And she was just nothing. I was like, well, she just took that in stride. No big deal. She don't even want to talk about it. So then we got in the car. She waited until we got the car.

And then I was like, what did you think? And she said, can I talk now? I don't remember that. It was like, oh, can I talk now? Which that gave you her. I was oblivious. I thought, oh, I thought that went. pretty good. So based on that, we're now... So you all have rebranded. No, we've gone through a lot of

difficulty, especially the past couple of years. And so maybe we've matured and we said yes to do a joint event. Yeah. And so Missy, pull that up on your phone because I can't, I can't remember the details. But I do remember the name of the city because I thought, oh my. Missy and I for the first time we're going to do an event together. And the name of the city is Warsaw. What could go wrong? Is it Poland? Let's do a marriage.

There's a war cell in Poland. Family enrichment over two combustible people. It's not in Philadelphia. And it's in Warsaw. Okay. It's in Warsaw, Indiana. Warsaw, Indiana. But I'm sure the war and the war in the

saw has nothing to do with the city. Well, it's at Warsaw Community Church. So if you're in that area, come for some type of a show. I don't know exactly what we're doing. What's the date? Give the date. It is October 21st. Okay.

And that's right after Cole gets married. So we'll have some things to talk about then. All right. Oh, yeah, because that's coming up, which is part of the things I would you tell about. October 18th, yeah. And so, but it is their fellowship missions annual. night of hope and inspiration banquet. So go to fellowshipmissions.net.

Sound like a commercial. It's all right. We do commercial. It is a commercial. We'll be there. Come see us. And we hope that you will be filled with hope and inspiration. I think so.

I think they will. I've come a long way, babe. All right. Great. It would be interested. Lisa and I, we speak together a lot. But, you know, we had to figure out how to do it well. Because, you know, I mean, I preach sometimes

one of our guys here locally. So I'm used to having a dynamic of another personal stage, but most people don't have that. You just do your own thing. And husband and wife can be tricky. It can be. Well, I'm going to do, my goal is to do more listening than talking. Well, that should be just in life.

That's biblical. You have two ears. You have two ears. You have one mouth. Do the math. That's right. I have struggled with that since I came to Christ. Well, it is really hard when you're trying to do that

and you are trying to listen, but then you're also trying to think of what you want to say next, because, you know, our, I'm not sure anyone in our family really prepares to the extent that I'm going to follow this script. Yeah. We're totally unscripted. We know what we want to say. We know what's in our hearts. We kind of go through it. And if you're like me, I will even, when I go to bed at night, I'm thinking of it.

When I wake up, I'm thinking of it. How can I change it, make it better? And then the Holy Spirit comes in. And sometimes completely changes everything. So I always want to be open to that. Yeah. Yeah. As well.

And I think that's what makes it authentic and transparent and real to people. So there will be some moments like that. I mean, do you take notes when you speak? When I speak, I have notes for sure. Because I think that's my problem, Mel. Well, I don't do notes in my presentations like around the country. But I do notes every Sunday. But you have it pretty much the same thing.

Right. Exactly. Which is why I don't have them. But you all notice when I, I preach, I have detail notes. Because I have a window of a message I want to get out. That's right. It's the same for that.

You actually hit on where we're at in the Bible with John 14. Because you said you brought up the Holy Spirit. And I think when you go verse by verse, which is encouraged by most biblical pastors. Yeah. Sometimes you kind of miss the forest for the trees. You can. But John 14 all the way through 16. seems to me, Al, that Jesus is introducing that there's going to be this spirit or counselor-advocate.

And none of the other Gospels deal with it, which is why it's such an important three chapters, because John goes into it so deeply. Like, I mean, the other ones heard Jesus talk about it, but nobody else dedicates that much time of the Holy Spirit as John did. And Jesus tells his disciples so many times. I'm going somewhere where you cannot come, but I'm going to be sending someone in my place. And it's just, even though they didn't fully understand it, man, it sure does help me to read it. You know, when I came in today and we were talking about, you know, what is the focus of this podcast today? Usually, you know, well, just life updates.

You know, talk about your kids like, okay, I really can't right now because, you know, four out of five of who I call my kids. complicated already, is that they're going through a lot of things right now. Yeah. And they're in a transition period of each of these things that is just not resolved. These issues are not resolved. And so we're really leaning on communication with each other as a family and individual communication with the Lord to help guide us and to comfort us in some of these situations.

And so when I was telling you, I can't really talk about, you know, certain things. and just going to have to trust us that they're hopefully going to be resolved. And we will be able to at some point, even with a little man. But Jason went, well, we're in John 14. And I put my glasses on and can I read it? Yeah. Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, trust also in me.

I'm good. I'm good. I'm so good. Now we know why you're on the podcast. What an amazing promise. And you throw in, even this was. that yesterday that we met with that family uh that was saturday oh that was saturday i would love to talk about that actually yeah that was this is really funny i hope i can share this because i'm

now that we're previewing uh how we're going to do a event together it was like maybe four o'clock or five o'clock one and missy had a friend over and we had a little man and she comes in that house and is like, there's a family going to be here in three minutes. In three minutes. I had swimsuit on. I was throwing clothes on. Yeah. And I was like, what, what? Because we had talked about it a day or two before. I forgot to remind you and I forgot. And she forgot. We forgot. And I mean, it's like she's dealing with this awkward moment of now I have to get my other friend out of here. And we got little man. And they're going to be here. And I mean, I think we pulled it off in three minutes.

We did. I mean, we did. I just looked like I got out of the pool and put my sweats on. And so, but I love to talk about this because, you know, I've talked about before how through all of these experiences, including Duck Dynasty, including having me in and trying to find the best care for her, I cannot say no to God. I can't do it. Because even if I don't want to do what I feel like he's leading me to do, how can I say no? He's been so, so good and just faithful through every circumstance,

even when we cannot see a crack of light. And so when we started the Miamu Fund in 2014, it was mainly just for monetary reasons, because that was our motivation. We didn't have the money to pay for Mia's surgeries with the specialists that she needed. So we were often that to other people. Right. That's what we weren't getting the money.

No, no, we were offering it to others. And so now it's 11 years, 11 and a half years of this. And Bonnie has the numbers, but they're just extraordinary, the families that we've helped monetarily and spiritually and emotionally. So when Bonnie calls or texts and says, there is a family local to you that just had a baby born with a cleft, can they come talk to you? And, you know, we're kind of in our own kind of bubble now because we have to be.

we can't just let anybody come over to our house and, you know, and so I'm like, I don't want that to be a deterrent for helping people. Right. And so they contacted us while Phil was really going through his hard times. And so we kept putting it off and they came over Saturday with their precious little baby and his big sister. And they just, it's just amazing how I can look back and think how little I'm, I knew about this and how much we know about it now. So we try to help encourage and give insight to what these cleft families are about to go through

because it is not a one and done. There's hardly anybody who is a one and done. It's a tough journey. Yeah. And in their case was so unusual because they couldn't see that he had a cleft palate until 24 hours. It didn't even change. His lip is fine. Yeah.

And most of his palate is fine, but back in the back, he has this cleft. And, of course, what's happened because as they grow is where all this struggle happens. And so, yeah, we just, we, you know, now their words were after a couple hours, I guess, they stayed. They were like, we have learned more in these two hours. And, of course, they've met with doctors. But it's just when you're not. with people who understand this, of course, we've had so many kids that we've helped,

you know, and you're hearing all their stories. And you're connecting all of them with each other, which I think has been the greatest surprise. And they felt that. They now don't feel alone. And, you know, tears of joy. And, of course, we gather around and prayed with them. And they asked us just question after question, after question, after question,

which is just think about being a parent. what you're really afraid of is the unknown. But once you get with people who have gone through this, and of course with our daughter it was 16 surgeries. And they said she will have four. When she was born, you will have four surgeries, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like you can't listen to any of that. That's the hardest part, I think, that we learned.

Because everything is active. And every child is different. All cleft means is there's a hole somewhere. And every child's hole is different. So it's not just a textbook. This is what you will have, even though they will tell every cleft parent, you will have this, 100 percent. This is what's going to happen.

No. Yeah. No. And you're your child's best advocate. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And you can tell them things that I think they needed to hear. It's like, because their first surgery is coming up.

And I was like, it'll be the worst two days of your life. And, well, it scared them because they were like, well, is he? you know, what about him? I was like, oh, no, he's going to handle it way better than you. I'm saying it's the worst two days of your life. Yeah, exactly. They're resilient, but you're going to think, oh, this is absolutely the worst. Which is so important for you guys to speak into that, though.

It's like when Lisa had her surgery or breast cancer surgery, he said it's going to be the shortest day for her, but the longest day for you. And he was right, because you, as a parent, you have a whole other set of issues. than your child has, and yet you've got to deal with that while you're helping them deal with their issues. And I do think, because Jay said, that had just happened when he came up to the house the other day to see Mom. And so he was telling me about it.

And I said, Jay, I'm so glad y'all were able to do that because there's still something powerful. You can be an advocate for something, and certainly because we have a platform. And so you guys have been able to do things at a big level that other people can't do. And that's a blessing. But there is still something when you get the opportunity to just be needed. knee with somebody and share those experiences. And at least not I feel the same way.

We had a few weeks back, we had a super busy week. I did like 11 podcasts in one week because we were doing the new stuff for Hillsdale and all that. And we were doing some marriage filming as well. So we just had this super tight, busy week. You know how we do. And you got all this stuff lined up. And the couple of church says, you know, we're doing our testimony Thursday night at

Reengaged. Can y'all come? Y'all been a big part of it. And I'm like, oh. And I said, well, I'll try. I didn't guarantee. And then this other young couple calls and says, you know, we're having problems. And the only night we could meet is Thursday.

So it was the same night. And it was the night before we were doing this huge big thing. And I told Lisa, I was like, you know what? Like you said, I can't say no to God. And so we went, we heard that testimony. It was beautiful. We were so encouraged by it. And then we sat for two hours with this couple and we helped them.

And then the next day, instead of being worn out and tired, which was what I was worried about, I was invigorated. because the Holy Spirit had been active and working. And so I think that's what happens. When we're open to that and let him use this, we have that extra strength we didn't know. And so it's interesting, when this text says,

do not let your hearts be troubled. We made this point when we read that verse. It's the same Greek word that earlier Jesus, it says after he had said this in chapter 13, Jesus now, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testify. I tell you the truth, one of you is going to betray me. Same Greek word.

So he's telling them right after he was trouble, same word, about his betrayal, because he's fixing to have to share that. And that's pretty deep. That's a deep trouble. That's not just feeling anxious about something. Exactly. That is deep trouble if someone is about to betray you. And then Jace looked up several other times, and Jesus was this troubled other times.

He was when Lazarus died. And so the idea was we made the point that being troubled, as you described it, having family members going through a season, times and several at the same time is part of the human condition. And Jesus showed us that. In other words, it's not wrong. He wasn't saying, don't let your heart through trouble. What are you doing? He just experienced it. He's just telling them, look, I promise you. It's going to be, it's going to have something at a personal level with you. And that's why when you're in the room with somebody, you're providing something because of your experiences.

But what really saying is it's something bigger. You can get through this. You know, you can do this. So I think that's why it's so important. And that's what Christianity does. So it can play itself out. Well, when I looked at their little boy who was just precious, they had him dressed up, like a little fishing shirt, like he looked like a little mini man. You know, it was just the cutest little thing. And I remember Mia being that small and being so troubled when I looked at her like,

how are we going to do this when she's just a few months old? And looking back now, 21, almost 22 years later, I don't. don't want to go through that again. I wouldn't wish that on anybody, but I wouldn't change any of that because it made her who she is, and it made us who we are too. So going through all of those troublesome times helps us to grow that, you know, Romans 5, 3 through 5 that, you know, we do lean on our sufferings and rejoice because they make us a better person. And now I'm not scared of doing hard things. So when, when things come up, I don't run from them. I mean, I'd rather not do them. Nobody really likes doing hard things, but I can do them. Yeah. And I'd have that

confidence that comes from the Lord. And so I think that both Jason and I can encourage others that, yes, you can do hard things. And it's not because of your demeanor, but it's because of what the Lord can do through you. Yeah. And sometimes you don't know what to say, but then sometimes you do know what to say. Yeah. And that's why you're in that position. I get intimidated, you know, of having to have these conversations because you're like, what are you going to say?

You don't know what they're going to be like. But I always say, well, I have the Holy Spirit. And, I mean, I'm trusting what he's saying here. I mean, when he gets to verse 15, he's like, if you love me, you'll obey what I command. Well, he's continually commanding them to be like me. Follow my example. You know, and when he gets to the end of John, he's like, as the father said, me. I'm sending you. And there's always a gulp moment there. You're like, well, wait

to get here. I mean, can you imagine? They're like, you want me to be like you? It's like a Moses moment. Like, I'm not qualified. I don't, I have a speech impediment. I'm not the right one. I'm shy. I'm an introver. Whatever it is. I'm not the right one. And God just keeps saying, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. I've got you right where I need you. Even though we don't know and don't trust ourselves, he trusts us. And what an amazing gift that is. Oh, it is. There's no doubt. Well, then he says, you know, in verse 16, and I will ask the father, and he will give you another counselor. There's that word he keeps using as the Holy Spirit, which is only used five times, you know, four in John and one and First John, too, to be with you forever, the spirit of truth,

which that forever jumped out at me. I mean, he's not just with you. It's not coming and going. Yeah. It's with you forever, right? I mean, do we? Do we grasp that? Yeah. And, I mean, including the bodily resurrection, I told Missy last night, I went in there, and I was like, I just got a text from, you know, a sister who's been in the Lord a long time, and she knows her and I know her. I was like, she just asked me, are our body's going to actually be raised from the dead?

And if so, where's that in the Bible? And we were both kind of miff. I was like, don't miss that one. I got these verses. is talking about. But it made me remember back to when we were young in our faith, and we were like the only ones talking about that. I remember when that was an epiphany, like,

well, we're not going to be spirits floating around up in heaven somewhere. We're actually going to have our literal bodies. And so, you know, then it was the whole thing. And we're going to be singing forever. And everybody's like, oh, I'm like, yes. Yes, we get to sing forever. Well, that's the person who signs every email with blessed scenes, right? Well, I told Missy what I said.

I sent the obvious verses like Romans 8-11. First Corinthians is 15. Yeah, verse Corinthians is 15. But that Romans 8-11 I wanted to read, it says, if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, which is what he's promising here about giving you this spirit forever in John 14. But back to Romans 8-11, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit who lives in you.

But then I put in there, I told Missy, I sent her text, then I got thinking about it and thought, oh, I just gave like the technical verses like this. And even later on in Romans 8, I think it's 23. He's like, we await through his spirit the redemption of our bodies. I mean, it says that. But then I said, but do this. And it was a thought, Missy thought was good last night when I shared it with her.

I said, if you go to 1 John 3, 2, it says, you know, what we will be has not been made known. Yet when he appears, Jesus, we know that we will be like him. And so I said, why don't you go to all the Gospels post-resurrection and look at what Jesus' new body was like? Because he flat out said, remember when they said, you're a ghost? I think it's Luke 24. And he said, look at my hands and my feet. A ghost does not have flesh and bones. He said, it is me.

Yeah, it's me. And even in Acts 1, right before he leaves, it's like this same man whom you've seen go into heaven will return. Well, what's he still calling? To be a man, you've got to be a man. You're a man. Now, you're a new man. I said, but read all those verses. And then you will at least get an idea of what you're not.

new body is going to be like because it's going to be like him. Right. But anyway, to make that point, it's like he's saying that he'll be with you forever, the Spirit of Truth, and, you know, you'll get a new body. And then it says, I will not leave you as orphans, verse 18. I will come to you. So it's like, is he mean the Holy Spirit? Which he did.

He did. And so then later in the chapter, when he says that again, don't be true. troubled. I think that's in verse 27. Peace I leave with you. My peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. I mean, he's declaring you children. He's giving you his spirit. And I think in those troubled moments, you just have to say, I have the Holy Spirit. Let's just see what happens. That's exactly right. And you mentioned him. a minute ago that a lot of people don't really focus on that aspect of it. And we talked about that when we were in this text, because they'll say,

you'll look at it, be at a funeral and a preacher will say, well, you know, this isn't them anymore being in their body. And you're like, no, it's still them. It doesn't have the spirit. I mean, it hadn't been energized, but yeah, that's still them. That's important. What was made is important, which is what you get out of first, Corinthians, 15. So to lead into our last segment, you had another,

spirit-led moment, and you went to Washington, D.C., and got to read a book at the Library of Congress. Did I get all that right? You did. Good job, man. And because you said the same thing to me that you just said, you said, I didn't want to say no to God. So I did that. And we wanted to have a segment and talk about what you read and who you were with. And we have a guest that's here that is a big part of that as well.

So we're going to take a break. When we come back from this break, we'll introduce our guest, and we'll have Missy and he tell that story. So we'll see in a minute. Tren, I love having Missy on the podcast because about every other time, Jace gets intimidated when Missy comes on because she's a fact checker on all of these stories. And he's an embellisher. And so, like, it makes him nervous, which I totally love.

And so, like, I will egg it on. Like, we didn't go there, but I had a whole thing to get into about your cast iron skill. breaking his back and all that. Oh, please. Oh, God. I heard it for three. I finally, after the third day, I was like, I am done hearing about this. I will say, he said, because he said,

don't throw me out of the bus, which he did throw you on the bus. But he did bring you out from under the bus because he did. And it was with a full pan of homemade cornbread. That's what did it. Yeah, exactly. The cooking brought you out from under the bus, which I was impressed because it sounded like something my mom would do, you know, to take the iron skillet all the way. Wait to Utah or wherever you all with.

In Colorado. I mean, hey, last time when we went to South Carolina, I brought the deep dish. I brought the deep cast iron skill. Oh, really? Yeah, I said, so just be happy that I didn't bring that. I was agitated because I was going to play golf and then I injured myself carrying her back. Because I had a cast iron skiller. It weighed 66 pounds.

I had a golf bag with my treasure hunt equipment that weighed 44. I had golf clubs. Some of your clothes were in my suitcase. Three shirts and a pair of shorts. That's one pound. I would suggest you I'll leave with this on this. But I also had seasonings and pack it. You know, I brought Phil seasoning and I brought the Nicaragua.

I mean, the Dominican seasoning. I had to have all that. You had appliances. She had hair tires. Well, I don't know what they're going to have. You got to have that. And I am not an overpacker. I did not have six pair shoes.

I had six shoes, three pairs. Lisa does this to me. but not with the cooking stuff, but just with the clothes. And I'm like, well, babe, she said, well, I can't decide. I'll decide when I get there. And I was like, decide now. That's me. I decide.

You're standing here in the closet. We're making decisions. Let's stick with them when you go. I said, we don't need multiple choices when we go. That's just stuff we don't need. Well, then I packed AK's car seat because Reed and Brighton, they had three kids with three car seats. Yeah.

So we rented one when we got there. They were bringing one for Francis, the Duna. And I said, I'll bring AKs. I'll just help you out. I want you all to keep wanting to come. This is a big deal to fly cross-country with three kids. It is with the visual. You're like, why is this bag that heavy?

I mean, to me, it's like you open your truck and, you know, somebody's put a small stove. You know, you're like, what? I mean, it was a skillet. Okay, how good was the cornbread? It's fantastic. But then you're like, no wonder it's so heavy. There's a black iron skillet. All right.

Welcome back to it. I see the judge is already rolling. We were having an off-offline story we didn't get to about Missy. We should have. We should have. I need to defend myself. He did throw you under the bus on the skillet, but he did pull you out. So it's like Dad used to say to Mom, he'd say, Ms. Cage, you throw me under the bus.

And she said, I sure did. And she said, but God pulled you out. Well, the cornbread pulled me out. The cornbread pulled you out. Yes. So we want to welcome Trent Talwood to the podcast. Welcome, Tram. Thank you for me.

Trent is the CEO of Brave Books, which you hear us talk about on the podcast. First of all, thank you for partnering with us. We love it with a lot of our partners and sponsors because we share such the same value as what you guys are doing. And the fact that Missy has done a book with you guys, Jeff and Jessica, as well, makes it even more special to the family. So just thank you for that. Yeah, well, the Robertson family is such a great, you know, great ambassador for Brave. You know, you guys, just how honest, open, Christ-centered you are as a family,

family first is, we're so happy to partner with you guys. Well, and I love it. And I always say, a lot of times when we're doing ads for you guys, that Brave is just another word for unashamed, you know, and it's one that kids can even get. So I love the concept. It's subtle. Your books are, they're kids' books, but it's like subtle.

It seems like our nation. Kind of in the background. And the culture. It doesn't really come out and say that, but there's an island of hope. Well, there's culture the vulture. That's right. So he's the bad guy of the story, one of them. One of them, yeah.

Well, I got a text from one of the producers of Unashamed that said, you know, Trent from Brave Books wants to be on the podcast. I was like, okay, great. I'll be on. I would love to. I love talking about the books. But why is he, how is he in contact with the producers of Unashamed? And Jay said, they're sponsors.

I said, I did not know. Let's see. How many of those books? I did not know. Chase does Vanne White every time we do that. I do. For y'all that have watched the commercials, I'm over holding the books, doing the little hand. He displays and does hands.

I'm so excited. Oh, yeah. I did not know that you did not know. I feel like I'm part of the team here, but. You are. You are. One of my lines, Missy, is I say, Jason, you know intimately, one of the authors.

Who is she? And just to recap, Trent was actually at our house. We were doing promos for my book because you're my family. And they left. They were there for a couple days. We're doing some videos and some advertising, marketing things. Because my book was coming out in like three weeks. And they left.

And two hours later is when we got the phone call that AK had been born and signed over to me. And thought, what? What in the world? And I was doing these podcasts and interviews and all these stuff online about this book. And I was like, this is crazy. And even for the next few weeks, it was able to tell the story of welcoming someone in our home that, because Valor's adopted, that was not of our body. And being able to talk about unconditional love and not saying no to God. Did you cry at any point in any way?

Well, don't get me started now, because we'll move on. But that's how our relationship started. And so I've let Trent and Zach kind of be up to date on our story the whole time. Even in Washington, I was backstage, you know, updating Zach on where we are in our story with AK, you know. But I love what y'all are doing. I kind of invited myself to Washington. Oh. I did.

Well, what did y'all do in Washington? Well, here's what happens. Trent, they all came to a faith family. freedom and set up a booth. And Zach, I was like, how's the company doing? What are y'all doing next? And I was just kind of quizzing him. And he said, the Department of Education has invited brave books to come and read some of our books at the Library of Congress. I see you at the Library Day, which is Kirk's kind of deal, Kirk Cameron. And he said, yeah, we're trying to get a couple of more authors to come. And I went, pick me, pick me. I would be happy to. And so.

So then that y'all started working on it and invited me to come. Yeah, and it was an incredible event. We had over 250 people show up at the Library of Congress. Over, over, I think, 250 other story hours happening across the country for over, you know, 10,000 people showing up at libraries across the country to promote wholesome story hours as opposed to, you know, some of the stories that you see elsewhere. And it was special. Michael Knowles was emceeing. It was just a lot of fun and read some great books. and the kids had a blast.

Yes, they did. Well, the thing that was so obviously so wonderful about this idea when Missy, Jay Stowe and what Missy was doing, is in the past, you know, because Missy's been on the podcast talking about it, there have been some very controversial happenings of doing the books and libraries and protests or really people that work in the library, treating you terrible. So the fact that to be invited in and to have something like that. By our government.

By the government, yeah, exactly. Amazing. Right. makes me feel better. I think it makes me feel a lot better. But it has to be gratifying to you to it because like you came up with this idea. I mean, you're not just a CEO, you thought of the whole idea. And to now see that come into fruition where more and more people get exposed to something good

as opposed to just so much trash that's out there. I mean, it has to be gratifying, right? Yeah, yeah. When I was addressing the crowd with the Library of Congress, saw all this kids there. thought back to how it started three years ago. If you don't know the backstory of the Sea of the Library Day, it started with Kirk Cameron's first kid's book with us is a book on The Fruits of the Spirit.

And we're like, all right, let's do something. You know, we got Kirk Cameron's author. Let's do something fun. And so we tried to do story hours in 52 libraries that had sponsored a drag queen story hour. And all of them shut us down. And we never expected that to happen. But they all said, no, we believe inclusivity.

here, so you can't come. Okay. Now think about that oxymoron, right? And you're literally having books about what we just read in John 14, which is all over in John 14, those fruits of the spirit. Yeah, yeah. If you know, peace, I believe, joy in your hearts, hope, love. I mean.

That's not welcome. No. Yeah, they all said no. And we partnered with the First Liberty Institute and, and, for, fought back. We said, hey, this is a violation of our First Amendment, and they backed down. And so we went one by one to all of these libraries across the country and read Kirk's book and some others. And we had thousands of people show up every single one of them. And then that started this whole movement of like, hey, let's take our libraries back. You know, let's take some of these public spaces back. And we turn into a day, you know, a Saturday in August. And then to go from being excluded from all these libraries to now invited to the Library of Congress and have hundreds and hundreds of of story hours happening across the country. It's really cool because that whole story hour thing, I think in some ways was a wake-up call

to a lot of people that, man, we're losing this country. And we need to do something. And then to see Brave Books and Kirk fight back and win, ultimately win. Like they back down, we stormed their libraries with thousands of people. It's sort of, I think it was, you know, I don't know.

I think it did play a small role in us sort of making this comeback and starting to have some wins. Oh, no doubt. I mean, I think it's boldness. And to your book title, to your company title, it's brave. Because we can't, we seceded enough territory to the evil one. And look, that's exactly what it is. So you're inclusive enough to have 52 accounts of drag queen or whatever. But we can't just talk about some of the basic tenants that make life better.

I mean, even outside of the business. biblical idea, just the idea of couldn't we use a little more love, joy, and peace? I know I'm sound like that, but I mean, that's exactly, you know, who couldn't use some more of that? But I really think that's the church's role is to speak truth to power. That is the example Jesus laid down for us. And so I appreciate y'all taking up this fight for us. So you got to read? I got real excited about it because sometimes when I know what's happening or I see the schedule. And again, open to the Holy Spirit. I'm standing backstage and I'm hearing Kirk, who's kind of introducing how it all got started and the foundations of our country, you know,

is based on biblical values. And I was like, I'm fixing a, I told Bonnie, I was like, go get my Bible. Grab my Bible. Uh-oh. I've seen this love before. Because I wasn't really planning on it. You know, this is, again, I said, this is the mirror image of what God did for us. Right. And so I always love to, you know, infer that and talk about Jesus and what he did for us and unconditional love and forgiveness. And this book is just so amazing with that. But I'm at the Library of Congress being invited by the United States government. I'm fixing to read the Bible.

I'm going to read the Bible on stage. And it was welcomed. The ultimate brave book. Absolutely. You know, so anytime that we can, of course, use that opportunity, we do. But just to be able to not be, have a fear or any anxiety of being booed or hissed at or any like I heard amends from the parents in the audience you know about Jesus and oh yeah you know and they were all speaking out and just so encouraging that here we are at on Capitol Hill yeah and there's

no protesters outside there are no rioters and they kept it under wraps for the most part the director for the center of faith was there and she's amazing she's really awesome and she was so excited about this. But she said, President Trump literally took that under and put it under the White House, the center of faith, and said it was center of faith and neighborhood partnerships or something like that. It was the name of the department underneath the Department of Education. And she told me, President Trump said, drop the last part, keep it center for faith. And she said, okay. And then she she put this together, which I think was amazing about who is running our country right now. Yeah, and I think you're right.

And J.C. even mentioned on the podcast that you guys talking about, even the what's going on there now with the guard being there and to try to clean up the city and make it a safer, better place. And you felt it, right? Oh, my goodness. You know, Karina lives there. Our daughter lives there. And so when we first moved her in, we were avoiding certain places.

And, you know, Washington Park was full of homeless people. and we were avoiding the loud, crazy drug addict on the street. You know, I'm thinking I'm leaving my daughter here. Yeah. This past weekend, it was beautiful and clean, and there were little pockets of the National Guard. They were not overwhelming. Yeah.

They were under trees, just standing there. And every time we passed, I would say, thank you for your service. And they were so appreciative and grateful. Have a great weekend, ma'am. It was a wonderful, beautiful weekend. It really was. I love it because Trump was talking about recently.

He said, grass. We're going to go grass again. I mean, who knows more about grass than me? Of course, it's all over the world. We're going to grow grass in our parks again. I was like, only Trump would do that. All right, so we're out of time. But Trent, thank you so much for what you guys do,

for what you do for the podcast, but what you're doing for America. Because you're right. The battle doesn't end. I mean, it's just, it's evil and good is the two things that are at, you know, at battle here. and we have to be consistent on the good. We're not saying that, you know, people do what they're going to do. It's a free country, but we at least need the space to tell you something better.

And I think that's what you guys are doing. I love it as for kids too. Can you tell us, like, where we can find the books and subscribe? Because it's a subscription. You get one a month, and they just keep coming. Yeah, Braybooks.com. If you go Braybooks.com, forward slash, Unashamed, I think you get your book and Jeff and Justice because it's a book for free when you subscribe.

Check that out. That's good to know. Yeah. Grace, babe. It's free. It's free. But thank you, Chan. Thank you for coming on.

Missy. It's always good to have you on, and appreciate your perspectives today as well. So we'll see you next time on Unashame. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube. And be sure to click the little bell and choose all notifications to watch every episode.