Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1156 | Miss Kay & Her Sister Cause Robertson Compound Chaos & Jase Walks in on an Eerie Sight

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Miss Kay and her sister Ann rule the roost at the Robertson compound, but their gentle chaos keeps life interesting for the whole family. Jase heads over to visit, but instead stumbles upon a scene that makes his hair stand on end. The praise of the elderly ladies prompts Al to consider a second career in modeling, and the guys explain why their mentor depicted heaven as a giant cube in space—straight out of a sci-fi movie. Jase turns to John 14 to show why context matters when reading translations of ancient biblical texts. In this episode: John 14; John 16, verses 7–11; Ephesians 2, verses 18–22; Hebrews 9, verses 23–24; Acts 1, verse 8; Acts 2, verses 1–41; Acts 22, verses 6–11; Acts 26, verses 14–18; John 3, verses 16–21; Galatians 2, verse 20; 1 Corinthians 6, verse 19; Genesis 3, verse 15 Chapters: 00:00–06:27 Miss Kay Has a Visitor & Compound Chaos 06:28–14:40 Is Heaven a Giant Sci-Fi Cube in Space? 14:41–21:45 WE Are God’s Household 21:46–30:13 Our Sins Will Be Exposed 30:14–40:05 Jase Asked The Perfect Question 50 Years Ago 40:06–56:26 Context Is Important In Bible Translation — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. So I don't know what's going on at y'all's house these days, but so my daughter, Anna, who's my eldest, she'll turn 40 this year. That's hard to believe that, Zach, I almost have a 40-year-old child. Wow. And whose daughter now is married as well. So she could be a grandma. You know, we could get that news at any time. but so she's she has been taking care of mom and doing great and mom's must have at the big house we call it kind of our mini compound and the bigger compound which i'll say i think your daughter has a special gift she does no doubt taking care of people she does and and you know she's the oldest grandchild in the family so it's kind of natural anyway because she's been around the longest with mom especially and so they're super tight and it's just she's great She just does little things, doesn't she? I mean, Jayce has talked about it before.

She'll go wait in line and get Jason King Kate. She's just got this servant. Man, I will say this on record. I spent 30 years, well, depending on the child labor laws, working at Duck Commander. Because she's tired as a teenager. But of all, and at one time, I was in charge. Yeah, which is, I've had to remind Willie of that a few times.

I'm like, yeah, I get it. But of all the people I worked with over those years, I would say she was the number one worker in attitude and actual production. Yep. Although she might have said 12 words in 10 years. She's quiet. The Robertson is strong in that one for sure. But anyway, so she's like the nerve center. She runs everything in our compound because Lisa and I are here.

We're there. We're back and forth. So she runs everything. All of mom's appointments, she kind of keeps us lined out too. Well, she needed a break. So she's down in Gulf Shores at my house down there, which is my place to go to take a break. She and Jay are down there. And so Lisa and I are taking care of mom, but not just mom ain't Ann's in for a visit,

mom's older sister. So my house is like, I mean, I never realized that two older women, it's almost like we've reverted back like I'm taking care of children again, just the way they are. And so it's been very interesting. And I came through, of course, you know, I've been losing weight and I was, I came through just my shorts without a shirt on, and the reaction I got makes me think I might could do underwear modeling at the old folks' home. Let me just go ahead and solve that dilemma for you.

No. Just say no, Al. Yeah. It was embarrassing. Your hat and your mom keep going on and on, you know. Yeah, let me tell you a story, because I haven't told you this. This happened a week ago. Yeah.

I had a little man, and he wanted to go check on MOK. That kid is some kind of cute, I have to say, yes. And so I went to your compound, unannounced. You just rolled in. I'm going to drop in on Malka and I pulled up, and there were vehicles around, you know. My house is. I just opened the door. Well, there was a sound.

Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. And I was like, hello? No one was there. And I thought, what is this sound? It was like an alarm. Yeah. And no one was there. So I'm thinking, something has happened here.

And I don't know if it's because we had COVID or whatever, but I saw this refrigerator with both doors open. And that's where the beeping was coming from. And there's no one in there. And the doors are just open. Doors are open. Beep. So I.

I thought, oh, no, I better put something over my face because something has happened. Some food has spoiled. Like it was an apocalyptic movie or something. Well, because no one's here. It's the first time in my life that I've ever pulled up to y'all's compound. And look, Al, it was 3.30. Because there's a lot of people that live here. There's 3.30 in the afternoon.

No one's here. So I go over to your house. That was your daughter's house. The caretaker cottage is what I was there. And so I called Jay. And I said, where are you at? He said, I'm in Alabama. I said, well, I have a question.

I said, I walked into your house and the alarm to your refrigerator is going off because both doors are open. And there's no one there. So is it some kind of pandemic? Is it mold? I didn't know. and he said, well, did you close the refrigerator doors? And I said, no. I didn't want to touch them.

And he said, well, will you go back and close them doors? I never heard an explanation. I never heard this story. I thought, boy, this place has got the problem. So somebody ran out of there with their hair on fire had in some place and didn't even close the fridge. Everybody left, left the doors. open, it's beeping.

That was a great example of how my little compound, which used to be such a conclave, has turned into just chaos. So I understand when you said that. Well, thank you. Because I thought, boy, these people are under some stress. Forget the refrigerated goods. What you say, Zay? Can you relate to that?

That's got kids written all over it. Exactly. Oh, it's like, yeah, they can, they don't care about electricity or spoiled milk or it'll care well it's just like I said I'm in this weird zone because like I'm 60 years old but like since I have an elderly mom and now aunt but then I've got like grandkids married and so just it's just this constant I got teenagers I got people coming and going and it's just it's chaos all the time so it's hard to like study I mean I texted jays last night as the jays I'm having trouble studying our text you know for our thing because I can't go anywhere I have no no

no sanctuary, I have no quiet place. We've had a long week, but we're here. We're here. This is difficult. This John 14 through 16 is difficult. Every time I study this, I keep thinking big picture about all this. And I've kind of, I think, figured out why this is difficult. Because we introduced John 14 and we've kind of been hanging out there.

And we kind of touched on it just. a tab when missy was on jays but we yeah we hadn't really dove into it but we touched that this is like jesus's first deep dive into the concept of the holy spirit really of the holy spirit coming yeah and uh now you know i've i've been out and about in the city which is where i i guess i don't do message boards the message boards is where we're in my world is in a grocery store i'll somebody comes up and they're like or a guest on the like we have a guest in studio that's our miss which made my day because she was the first person that said and she's from Missouri and a friend of

one of my wife's best friends and so and listens to the podcast but and my wife's friend claims to be our number one listener yeah which look I'll she's made a case because she asked me a lot of questions. Like, I'll come into the assembly. She meets at where Al preaches. And, well, she just, I can tell when she's got that look and that walk. And she's like, now, and she'll bring up a passage. And it's like, I'm not sure.

I can't, I can't, I can't get it. And I was like, send me a text. I do better. I don't do well, you know. We know how you were. As we're entering the assembly on getting in the deep theological. die. But anyway, what I think part of the problem here is, and I spent most of my time studying for this, it's like this translation from Greek to English causes some problems. And I just want to say

this. Y'all jump in here and help me through this. But what I recommend is because the first thing we did, is my point. In John 14, one through three, everyone uses this as funerals. Yeah. At funerals. Oh, yeah. And they're like, okay, this is talking about when you die, there's a house evidently up there. Even though God is not bound by space and time, I'm already arguing this principle. You know, we're going to go to that house and there's some rooms up there and you're going to get a real nice room and we're going to live there. It's almost like a like we're booking a trip but when you read it

even even Smith Bill Smith who was kind of our mentor in the Bible as he got in his later years he had created a picture jays of this some sort of don't even get the details of it because I've tried to get that I know it looked like a Borg cube

from Star Trek that was attached to the planet and we were all going to have their own space but he got that from revelation right and he kind of Yeah, but it's actually an interesting point. Did you say Revelation? Yeah, the book of Revelation. Oh, I thought you had an ass on it.

No, he didn't. He was fixing the good at Tuesday. Yeah, not Revelations, Revelation. And I just kind of like thought, well, he's getting along in years. He's trying to figure out what his next landing spot's going to be. And we love Bill Smith. He brought our dad to the Lord. And he taught me most everything I knew.

And was not scared to think outside the box. No, which I love him. the Bible. But I thought when I heard him give the spill one night, I was there too, Al. I thought, I think he was studying his Bible late at night. I thought he was watching Star Trek. No, yeah, while a sci-fi movie was on, because I just thought this is the craziest thing. He had a image of it that he had come up with on his computer.

And if you're a Star Trek person, you know what I'm telling me. It's like this big cube was attached to the earth. And I was like, hmm. Well, it comes out of Revelation 20. I'll read it to you. 21, 16. The city was laid out. I'm impressed.

Well, I've been studying it this week, so that's interesting because I'm preaching what I was supposed to preach on. So are you a Bored Cube guy now? Yeah, I am. Definitely. Well, one, because it's in the Bible. But I was actually linking it to Exodus 25 whenever, you know, God gives Moses the command, when God gets Moses the command to build the tabernacle.

and then when he gives it he gives like the measurements of yeah i think it was the arc of or the the chest that held everything in it right and it was a 10 by 10 by 10 but it was like the dimensions were like a equal square all sides were equal right it was a square dimension right later when the temple was built um this it was that you see the measurements of 30 by 30 i believe i may be off on that but the point is is that each so this this container for lack of a better word it contained the presence of God so this has everything to do with where we're at in John 14 had everything to do with the presence of God and so at the end of the Bible whenever John the revelator has the vision of the new city the way he lays that out is he said it was like a cube it was laid out like a square

as long as it was wide. And then he gives the measurements of it. But the point is that there is a continual expansion all the way till the second coming of Christ and the coming of the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, that this cube is expanding. And so I think that's the picture there, is that God's presence is coming at the end,

the new city is coming at the end. And I think when you read this language about it, he goes to prepare a place for me, that whatever that place is, wherever that place is, the one thing we know from the reading to end of the Bible, is that place is actually coming to us.

And so it will be the reconnection of heaven and earth. Which was an ultimate point, right? And it's, yeah. And which we get it. The new heaven, the new earth is the language that's used.

Peter used it as well. That concept. Because I had a couple of people text me about that, that because when we were talking about this. Because again, Jace is right, it's always such at the forefront of mind

that, you know, heaven, they don't make that connection that God makes with us. And so it's almost just like we, this place burns up, we leave it all behind,

and we're like ethereal spirits that float off into the never, never. Which we've done a few things to try to answer that by saying this word used in John 14. you know, it's only used twice in the Bible,

this rooming of God. But it's used once where we're rooming with him in his space. He's preparing a place for us. But then it's also used in 1423 where he comes to us in rooms with us via the Holy Spirit. That we are that house then. Well, and one thing we should have read, because I didn't notice this.

And I know I introduced a point and I have not gotten there. I was going to get you back there. But I do want to read, I found this helpful. In Ephesians 2, we should have read this. You remember when he said

he got into this about Jews and Gentiles and him destroying this barrier and bringing them under one? We've talked about this one. Yeah, well, it's actually. like 11 through all the way to the end of the chapter. And he, like the second part of 15, he says his purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two.

Well, the two are two descriptions of people that if you made them one, includes all people, Jew and Gentile. You're either a Jew or a Gentile in the Bible context. Right. And in this, now here's what I wanted to get to, verse 16 and following, in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross by which he put to death their hostility. And so he gets to verse 19, or let me read verse 18, for through him we both have access to the father by one spirit.

So he mentions father, the spirit, all people coming together, reconciling. So then he says 19, consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people. Well, look at this phrase. And members of God's household. Yeah. So you're like, hmm, this sounds familiar. So if you just ask yourself, well, when did this happen?

It's already happened. Well, right. Now here you don't have any problem. You're not reading this in a funeral, is my point. It's a good point. But keep reading. So it's built on the foundation of the apostles. But then, well, here's Christ mentioned.

Well, just in the last three verses, we... All three tenets of the Godhead. Exactly. Which sounds a lot like 1423, and it really sounds like that from here on. out. So now we have Christ Jesus, the cornerstone. Now, in Christ, which we learned is also means you're in him and he's in you. The whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple to the Lord. Well, there's Jesus. And in Jesus, you two are being built together. Now watch this. To be.

a dwelling, which is, that's what the word for house in the Greek is. It is a dwelling place in which God lives by His Spirit. Well, where is that? Where is God living by His spirit? In us. In people. Yeah. And you say, well, which ones? All of them, if they'll surrender to. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, that can't mean that. But that's what it says. So I'm saying before, because I am positive, based on a few of the conversations I had,

they're like, well, you missed that in John 14, you know, one three. I said, well, did you read 23? And they're like, well, yeah. It means something. Yeah, what does it mean? So I just thought I'd throw that in because you see later, this is post the spirit pouring out you know the book that now he's writing a letter but it's the same concept he's introducing that so what i was going to say is that one part about the body so just

think about big picture here jesus is now in john 14 he he has a body and he's talking and they're listening and he's promising them this spirit coming because he says you know i promise So I'm not going to leave you as orphans. That's 14, 18. And remember, Jay's... I will come to you. Remember, this is Jesus who also... We read that they watched the Holy Spirit of God descend on him.

He said like a dove. I don't even know what that looked like. In other words, even himself received that. Experienced it. So it's not like he didn't do it himself. And it says on why is that to, fulfill all righteousness, which, look, we're going to get to this because it's in chapter 16. But I think this would be a good place to make this analogy.

It's kind of like the more you read, because 14, 15, and 16 is all about this fixing to happen. Even in Luke 24, he's like, I'm going to, I promise you, I'll make a promise, I will send my spirit. Well, then Luke, who also wrote Acts, he then has his time for the promised Holy Spirit. Well, the promise was actually given in Luke 24 post-resurrection. It's coming. So watch what he says in 16. Now, I realize this 16 is tough, which is why I want to go ahead and introduce it. So when it says in verse 7, I tell you the truth, it is for your good that I'm going away.

So this is the same as 14. He says, Same word. I'm going away, all right? So it's not like we've tried to have a narrative and then go to the Bible and prove it. 14, 15, and 16 is all about the Holy Spirit. Oh, yeah. And him leaving.

Yep. Unless I go away, well, here's this unusual word he's using for the Holy Spirit's mentioned only five times. The counselor or comforter will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. Now these next three verses, pack a punch. Because he is going to sum up three areas. I'm talking about big picture areas that this Holy Spirit is going to be involved in. Because watch what it says, verse 8.

When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt or the Greek. here's another alternate, or will expose the guilt of the world, which I think that's more accurate. Yeah. In regard to sin. And you said, what do you mean, exposed? Because remember, Jesus is the light of the world. There's an exposure that's going to happen.

And righteousness and judgment. So here's the three issues. He's going to expose the guilt in regard to sin. he's going to expose righteousness and judgment. Now, then he explains it. In regard to sin because men do not believe in me. So how is your sin going to be exposed if you don't believe in Jesus? It's not going to end well for you.

Yeah, because you're trying to do it on your own. It's not going to work. In regard to righteousness, because I'm going to the Father, which is almost like a riddle. You're like, wait, what? But just think, what happens when he goes to the Father? He pours out his spirit.

Right. To me, that's why I wanted to come here. If you don't make that connection, the Bible's going to be really confusing when you get to the book of Acts. And Ephesians want, it's going to be real confusing. Yeah.

Because Jesus had a body. And I say had. He still has a body. But it's a, it's no longer bound by the realm of the flesh. It's glorified. It got changed. But they were looking at him, but it, boy, it had bells and whistles.

But it was flesh. It was. He said, look at me. Yeah, that's a key. There's a ghost have flesh and blood. Yeah. Yeah. Same word for flesh.

Yeah. And by the way, well, let me hang on. We're going down that rabbit hole. But I have a really, I have a really good verse on that. But anyway. So in regard to righteousness, because I'm going to the Father. So the Holy Spirit's coming where you can see me no longer. Now watch this.

And in regard to judgment, and you think, what does he fixness say? Oh, dear. Because that's big. Because the prince of this world now stands condemned. You're like, well, what's he got to do with anything? about him going to the father. And so these are things we will discuss. But I know one thing, that's important,

or he wouldn't have put it here. Yeah. And he actually brings that up three times. He brought it up in John 12. Remember when he says, I'm lifted up? Yeah. And now the prince of this world, I think it's now judged there.

And that goes back all the way back to that, he will strike your heel, you will crush his head moment. I mean, it really does tie everything together. Well, it really does. Is that, were you going to say something? Yeah, I think it's a little difficult to pick it either or when Jesus says I'm going to prepare a place.

Is he talking about just the future, you know, the heaven that will come to us? But he's also talking about, he is talking about the, I think, but he's also probably more contextually here talking about that he's going to make us home in humans, because that's the whole point. He's going to lead. He's talking about the post resurrection, the ascension, because the whole next three chapters are all about the coming of the Holy Spirit. Even in John 14, he says, we're going to come make our home in humans now. And it's interesting that that 14, I think a 1423, if anyone loves me, it keeps my word and my father will love him. And we will come to him and make our home with him. So he's talking.

about he's going to the father and then they're going to come and make their home in people who are who love the father and the son and i think it's a correlation to hebrews nine kind of unpack the argument a little bit more clearly but it's the idea of heaven coming to us he says that uh this is hebrews nine 23 thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rights but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. Verse 24, for Christ has entered, this is all temple language here, but the temple was, like the tabernacle and the temple were copies. They weren't the real thing.

For Christ himself has entered not into holy places made with hands. Now think about what Paul said in Acts 17, that God doesn't live in temples built by man's hands. Think about what Stephen said at his stoning that God doesn't live in temples built by the hands of men. And this is what the Hebrew writer is addressing here. Christ hasn't entered into that kind of place, which are copies of the true things.

But he entered into heaven itself, and this is the bar, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. So what does that mean? So what does that mean for the viewer? Why would he enter heaven on our behalf? Because I think it's the picture here is that heaven is going to now.

enter is going to come into us and I think that's the whole point of the coming of the Holy Spirit and when you mentioned the part about the one that really kind of stands out the most of me there's three things that you said in John 16 of what the Holy Spirit's going to do that middle one that middle one kind of tells a story because he says I'm going to convict the world in righteousness because I go to the father and you can no longer see me think what the world does that mean yeah and you can And you can sit in people. Jay, it just hit me.

You asked a question 50 years ago. You asked the right question. Do you remember it? You were six years old. Now, you're going back to a place. That's how good my memory is. That's all this privilege. 50 years ago.

50 years ago. When dad was baptized, you, according to mom, because I don't remember you saying this, but she says you asked the question, does this mean the devil's going to leave our daddy? Oh. That's the famous question you asked. But it was the right question when you think about it

because it wasn't like he was possessed by the evil one, even though from our perspective it would appear that way. But it was the lack of the Holy Spirit living in him. You see what I mean? How would you, let me ask you this. How would you connect? You asked that, so I don't know. Yeah, I remember.

Kay telling me this story. I thought I was eight. You were six. You were six. but somewhere in 1970. Because if you look at the ministry of Jesus and you saw what he did over and over and over again

was when he would have a confrontation with the devil, particularly when the devil was inside of somebody, when someone was under demonic control or possession, when Jesus himself was with them and he told those demons to leave, what do they do every single time?

They left. The demons always obey Jesus. So I was thinking about the connection. What is the connection then between righteousness and Jesus' presence being with us? Like, what is the connection to that? Because his point is in John 16 is, like, the spirit is coming, and he's going to convict the world about righteousness because I go to the father and you can no longer see me or something. I may paraphrase that, but I'm leaving.

And you guys, it's going to be more, I think what this means is. is when Christ is sitting right next to you physically, like if Christ was right next to me in this seat, then I have a lot more power to be able to resist the schemes of the devil because I'm literally sitting with the Son of God. But he's like, but I'm actually leaving. And so what do you got?

So the only way that you can get more power than that, and even in Jesus' incarnated state, he could only be in one place at one time. Right? I mean, he couldn't be right. That's where I was headed. That's why I brought up the one body. Because look, okay, I never finished this thought, and then Zach can finish this thought.

His body left in Acts 1. Yep. What happened next? They waited in Jerusalem. And the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit showed up. Now, and then how were we depicted, and I say we, the people who surrendered to Jesus were baptized, you know, after the first sermon, and it said, you will receive the Holy Spirit. Well, how were those people depicted from that point on? Joyful. The people who received the spirits. Well, yeah, but I meant, like, what were they called? Yeah.

They're called the church. Yeah. The way? Yeah. Now, think about that. If you look that up, where'd they get that from? In John 14, he says, I am the way. How are we going to go?

And he's, I'm the way. If you look that up. But the word way is a descriptive term for direction. Yeah. But another thing that would come out of that in all the letters to the churches is they were called the body. I just read one, Ephesians 1. Right. He made one body of Christ.

Yep. The body of Christ. So what's crazy is, people just wrap your head around this. Because everybody's going around there, oh, if God would just speak to me, you know, they're not following him. if he would show me a sign or, you know, all these people, you know, I dropped down the Bible. Which, by the way, they were saying that in John Fulch. Yeah, and turn to a verse and like, tell me God, you know, what can I do? And it's these people looking for proof, you know, I brought up the chicken just for humorous purposes to say, hey, maybe God's creating these things here.

Well, is it the red rooster? The red. Yeah, I was trying to give some proofs that there is a God. Yeah. But really, in actuality. Spirit-indweld humans that have surrendered to Jesus, they are the proof that Jesus was raised from the dead. Just think about that.

That is, they are now the body of the risen Christ. Yes. And to that point I brought up earlier, 50 years after you asked that question, 20 feet from where you asked it, you and I both stood behind the body of our departed dad, you know, who's crossed over, and made that comment. I mean, we looked at a 50 years of a life and we're like, now that guy proved that the Holy Spirit is in people.

Don't you find it strange that a six-year-old who had never been to church has equated, has become aware of the devil? Exactly. How would you even know that? Why would you think? Because his life showed that. You take the opposite. So, Zach, I know I interrupted.

You want to finish your thought? Because I have to read this in Acts 26. I don't know what my thought was. I interrupted you. But I will say this. You asked the question, what did they do after the resurrection of Jesus, his disciples? One thing, I mean, if you go to Acts 1, one thing that we learned from Acts 1 is there was 120 people.

they were in the upper room and Jesus appeared to them and basically tells them they said what asked a question is now the time where you're going to restore the kingdom to Israel and Jesus is like well that's not really for you to know he said what I can tell you is this though you will receive power when when you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you and then you'll be my witnesses in Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria into the ends of the earth. So these guys are stuck up in this upper room. Yeah, they witnessed the resurrection of Christ. And they're like, man, this is something's amazing.

We just figured, I mean, he beat death. Like, what's going on here? But at this moment, it hadn't really, that hadn't popped yet. You know, there are 120 people in the upper room. And you would have thought, Zach, that would have been at least 500 because Paul said he appeared to over 500 in the 40 days. but even out of the 500 that saw him, only 120 gathered. That shows you how hard it was to believe. 120 showed up, and then Acts 115, I love this.

In those days, Peter stood up among the believers, a group numbering about 120, and he said, brothers and sisters, the scripture had to be fulfilled. This had to happen. All the scriptures we've been reading, all the Old Testament, everything we know, had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through David concerning Judas, who served as a guide for those who arrested Jesus. He was one of our own number and shared the ministry.

And then he kind of goes through this whole story of what happened to Jesus. And then all of a sudden, Acts 2 comes. And when Acts 2 comes, the Holy Spirit does come, as Jesus prophesied and said that would happen. He does come in power. They speak in tongues. They're utterly amazed. and then Peter proclaims the gospel

that the Messiah that Israel had been waiting on came and they killed him, but God raised him on the third day. And then you have the call to repentance when they said, what shall we do? He said, repent, every last one of you, repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins.

And then about 3,000 people were added to the church that day. And then from there, the thing really kind of exploded. But they were stuck in that room. they were 120 people now has morphed into what we're three guys on a podcast i'm in north carolina you guys are in louisiana and we are we are descendants of the 120 that were in that room you say what happened the holy spirit came yeah yeah all right so i want to read this this is uh x 22 i was going to read x 26 but then i just want to tie this back to john so i want to read a little bit at 22 because so you have actual uh paul's actual conversion in acts nine yeah but in act 22

because he retells it several times oh yeah he he retells it and so in act 22 i just want to read this he says and just notice how this connects to john 14 uh verse 2 paul said 22 2 i am a jew where he tells where he's born brought up in this city He had training under Gamal. Yep. Gamaliel. I was thoroughly trained in the law of our fathers,

and I was just as zealous for God as any of you are today. I persecuted the followers of this way. And that is used several times to depict the followers of Jesus, to their death, arresting both men and women, join them into prison. So then he shared. his conversion verse uh verse six about noon as i came near damascus i like this language suddenly a bright light from heaven which is two things we just got through talking about things from heaven and jesus

is the light of the world it exposes what you're doing so we have the light come to him i fell to the ground and heard a voice Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? Who are you, Lord? Look, notice the first two words. I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you're persecuting. So he was persecuting the way.

He hears a voice, it's Jesus, and the first two words out of Jesus is mouth, I am. You're reading in John 14, he's like, what does he say? I'm going to go and prepare a place for you. I will come back and take you to be with me

that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I'm going. But now what's this? When you read it in Acts 26, because he said, you know the place where I'm going. So now another situation, King Agrippa. He's speaking to a totally different audience. Totally different audience.

Here he goes again. Gentile, by the way. Verse 14. all fell to the ground and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic in Hebrew. He's given you the interpretation of the language that Jesus was speaking from heaven. I think it's funny. Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? Now this time he adds this, it's hard for you to kick against the goats. There's a whole sermon in there because what are goats instruments used to keep sheep on the right path? Which what also did?

John 10, I am the shepherd. Here we go. Then I asked, who are you, Lord? So I am Jesus. Same thing there. Now, I want to read this. The Lord replied, now get up. Stand on your feet.

I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them. And this is the point I wanted to get to. To open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, which has been more than a theme in John.

It's DNA of Jesus. It's everywhere. And from the power of Satan to God, there's another one. We just got through saying he keeps bringing up. You know what judgment is? The prince of this world stands condemned. so that they may receive forgiveness of sins. And look at those next three words.

And a place among those who are sanctified, set apart by faith in me. Well, is it an actual place? You see, my point. Are you getting hung up? Or is it the people and the beings and the round? that you're now represented, representing. Which is where I was going with this. I think the reason John 14 has been so misunderstood

is because when you really look at what Jesus is doing and what he says, these words that we're reading have different meanings. Like when you say the world, you think you have a definition of that. But if you look up every time and John, where world is used, it gets confusing. I mean real confusing.

Because it means different things. For God to love the world that he sent us some. Well, we got that way. He loves the world. Well, judgment means that the prince of this world stands condemned. Well, he's not talking about Jesus. You know what I mean? That's talking about the evil one.

And then First John, too, he makes the distinction of the difference in the world. Don't be like the world. Exactly. How about 1st John 4? Friendship with the world is hatred towards God. But then you see, I have overcome the world. Here's my point. Like, you'll read the word flesh.

Because people, they take these words that are used, but they're translated differently. And they make all these conclusions, and I'm telling you, they get off. They get way, off in what this is saying, like house. And because sometimes flesh is interpreted world. Yeah.

And I'll give you an example. Do you know in John 172, now this is the prayer of Jesus, listen to this. It says, I'll read verse one. It says, Father, the time has come. Glorify your son and glorify, that your son may glorify you.

For you granted him a thought. over all people. Well, you're just thinking, well, he has authority over all people. But the actual word there is flesh. For all flesh. That he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

And you say, well, what's the difference in people in flesh? Because some people, they'll read like John 3, 3 and 5, where it says flesh gives birth to flesh, but the spirit. So they're like, well, all flesh is bad. That's the problem. This became a whole doctrine out of that. Well, exactly.

And so then you, but you find verses like Galatians 220 that says, and Paul writing, that's why I wanted to bring him up, I have been crucified with Christ. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live. But Christ lives in me. Well, how does that happen? Holy Spirit. It has to be the Holy Spirit, John 14. Now, watch this.

The life I live in, now they translated it body in the NIV. You know what the word is? Flesh. Same one. The life I live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself up for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, because look, here's this word righteousness. For if righteousness, because he went back to the Father, now righteousness has been exposed through Spirit, failed people. Correct. So my only point is when you see words like world and flesh and judgment,

I think people tend to take that and make doctrines out of it without really looking at the different words that are used there in the context. And so I'll give you another one. So about judgment. In John chapter three, and this is all going to make sense as we read because The whole point I want to give is what Jesus did is his world that he represented, which is from the father. That's why he kept saying I'm from the father. I'm not doing this by myself. I'm representing the God world here in this world. It was a clash.

It was worlds colliding. Well, guess what? That hasn't stopped. Right. The change is when he was ascended as Lord of Lord and King of Kings and Lord of Heaven and Earth, he then gave His Spirit, and we participate in that clash of worlds. Because think about what Jesus took on. You could also say it another way.

It's God against the gods. Because in this world, there are different gods that have surfaced because people do not surrender to Jesus. Well, all of this continues in the whole book of Acts. Look, it's one big clash. That's why I read, you know, Saul changed sides. We just read it. He was clashing against the way. And God said, hey, bam.

He was the way's greatest persecutor. Yeah. As a Jewish Pharisee. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, he was there. Remember it was Stephen was stoned? I mean, he was the greatest one and then became its greatest apologist because what happens when the main guy that's persecuting something then becomes part of it?

It's the same thing we see today. When someone who was the biggest atheist you ever saw but then realizes that it's all real, that has a huge ripple effect. What do you think the most offensive thing that Stephen said that, because Paul was the one that gave the orders, or Saul was the one that gave the order to kill him. What do you think the most offensive thing that Peter, or the Stephen said? It had to be, look, I see the son of man standing at the right.

But if they, but think about their whole system. I mean, they, I mean, go back and read that, read that sermon. Yeah. It's really interesting. Back seven. Because he, he essentially retells the history of Israel in the sermon. So he goes back and really just gives like a, you know, a cliff. note version of their entire history.

I think the thing that he said that was the most offensive of all the things that he said, and it's related to what you said, but I think it was that he said, God does not live in temples built by man's hand, because that's the thing that Paul said. I mean, Paul brought that back when he went and did the Act 17 sermon on Mars Hill. He said the same exact thing that he had heard Stephen said. And it also happened to coincide with what Jesus said that made them so angry at Jesus. Whenever Jesus basically said, destroy this temple, and I'll rebuild it in three days, and we know, it says, speaking of his body, but when he, at the end, when they killed him,

if you remember the accusation that they, like the charge, one of the main charges that they brought against him, was they said that Jesus said that he was going to destroy this temple. Well, that's not what he said. He said, you destroy this temple. I rebuilt it in three days. They flipped it. So the accusation that got Jesus killed, one of their main points

was that he speaks against the temple. The reason why Stephen was killed was because he speaks against the temple. So Paul picking up the mantle, Paul was one of those guys that were like, yeah, these guys are speaking against the temple. We've got to kill him. But if you look at Paul's message,

it was all about describing the new temple, and that's the body in which the Holy Spirit dwells, which is why Paul also is the one when he talked about fleeing from sexual morality, what's his justification for that? He says, all sins of man commits are outside his body, but he who sends sexually sins against his own body, and why is that a problem?

Well, Paul says, because your body is a temple of the spirit. And he also says something similar in Galatians. But the point is, I think that that all goes back to John 14 through John 70. How in the world can my body house God? Well, that's the whole point. That's what Jesus is telling us right here, how it's going to happen. Your body will house God.

And there's one big picture thread I wanted to read about the judgment. It's like, you know, the part in John 316, you know, where he's like, God's to love the world. He gave his one and only son. Whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. So then it said, for God did not send his son into the world. Now the NIV says to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. But if you look up this word, it's the same word for judge every other place. Now, the translators in some of them will condemn.

Well, there's a big difference in condemn and judge. If you make a judgment and you look at the Greek definition and all, it's like he exposed the verdict. You know, condemning is... The verdict has been made in Europe. There's a difference is all I'm saying. So when you look up the word for condemned, the only time I could see the Greek word for condemn in John was the time where the woman was called in adultery,

and he said, no one has condemned you, neither do I condemn you. Now that word is different from this word in the Greek. My only point is, you do, I did this, it takes hours. So when you have a weekend, when you see a word like that, You say condemn. And you look at it up. All you have to do is look up, John 317, with that little Greek word for condemn, click on it. And it'll show you everywhere it's used.

You'll be surprised. And you're like, oh, it's not the one in John 8. Nope. So I said all that, because I know we're out of time. To get to verse 19, this is why this is so confusing. It says, this is the verdict. Well, you would think verdict must be a different word. No, it's judgment.

Yeah. This is the judgment. So the same judgment that he said, the prince of this world has been condemned, which means judged, exposed. Why does he need to be exposed? Because he's a liar. Exactly.

From the beginning. Yeah, I'm saying it gives a different connotation because this is the judgment, verse 19. Light has come into the world, but men love darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light. and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. What does others talk about?

Exposure. The Holy Spirit is just as much of a revealer of righteousness and sin as he is a comforter and a counselor and judgment is involved. But the bottom line is love for God to love the world is the driving force for the exposure. Because once you're exposed, guess what? Like Saul? You say, oh, I think I got this wrong. Yeah, I think I missed it.

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