Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1157 | Phil Snapped After Roosters Interrupted His Nap & Jase Gets Chased by Angry City Workers

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Jase and Al crack up recalling the time Jase was attacked by a group of utility workers with gardening tools after a particularly bad golf shot. Still standing by his recent rant about biblical fowl, Jase reluctantly shares the real reason Phil hated roosters and how he made that clear one afternoon during their childhood. Al describes a piece of art that’s been stuck in his mind, and the guys discuss what it means to walk in the light while battling the darkness within. In this episode: Genesis 9, verse 3; John 12, verses 35–36; John 13, verse 27; John 14, verses 18–27; John 17, verse 3; John 20, verse 21; Romans 7, verses 14–25; Romans 8, verses 1–11, 19; Philippians 2, verses 10–11; Hebrews 13, verse 8; 2 Corinthians 5, verse 17 Chapters: 00:00–05:39 Roosters Woke Phil Up & Paid Dearly for It 05:40–13:59 Be Prepared for a Bible Study or a Shoot Out 14:00–23:53 How Did the Disciples Miss the Big Picture? 23:54–36:28 We’re All a Hot Mess Without Jesus 36:29–47:52 Differences Between Jesus’ First & Second Coming 47:53–56:04 The Holy Spirit Reveals Reality to Us —  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. I always like it when we have a guest that's coming through. We got Megan today that's watching the podcast. She's from Missouri. And it reminded me because we've been talking about it. She lives near Columbia, which is at least not having events at November 12, 13 in Fulton, Missouri, which is not too far from you, Megan. And it's the Oikas Christian Church. We're doing a marriage event on that weekend. in. So if you're in that area, I know you like, every event I go to, I meet someone that heard me mentioned it here and you were near there. So I hopefully

will meet someone new there. Jace, she also loved your chicken thing recently. And look, because I know you've gotten a lot of grief on the chicken thing. This is not all our listeners. Let's be clear. She was the first listener who said, and it was first thing. First thing she said. I really like that chicken.

Well, she's one of the few because everything I read was like. Because Zach reads the comment. Well, yeah, the best comment was. I have to say, I normally pile on with Jays, I mean against Jays, because you know, that's my role. But in this case, I would defend Jays because I was fascinated by the chicken. Well, the best comment was somebody said, I wish Phil was here. He would shut this down and be like, why are we in the Bible? So they channeled the inner Phil to review you.

I didn't tell this story on the podcast, but there was a story one time. We used to have some chickens because we got the eggs and we had some roosters there. And I don't know what happened one day, but in the middle of the day. Be careful, Al. I know where you're going to. Well, I'm just going to tell it. And y'all can decide whether we leave it in or not. But the roosters started crowing in the afternoon for some reason because we studied the Bible.

Jason went through the whole thing. Do you know what I was thinking when they were crowing? What? Don't deny Jesus. Well, so what happened was, dad, as you know, told us never wait me up unless Leonard Skinnered or the president called. And so that was our, that was what we went by. Well, the roosters didn't get the memo.

They woke him up from his nap and he went into a rage and he. I don't think he was angry. He just, that was a problem. He killed every rooster. He killed them all. He chopped their heads off. And none of them were injured except the ones we ate that night. And we ate them.

They weren't injured. They were just decapitated. They were decapitated. Yeah. If you don't count decapitation as an injury, then none of them were injured in the process. They crowed no more. But we did have a delicious chicken dinner. She had fried chicken that night.

I believe he quoted in his meal preparation remarks, Genesis 9, which said that God said, anything that walks, crawls, flies, or swims, they will be food for you. That's right. Which was the birthplace of honey. Well, if you got something against eating chicken, come on. I mean, that's like Chick-fil-Aids. I think y'all.

They're serving a lot of chickens. Somebody's cutting heads off those chickens, just so you know. They're not coming like in the package. I think number one, when I used to read message boards back before I put away childish things, You know, you're a big tough guy or a tough woman when you're on your couch in the middle of the night and just throwing rocks. Throwing haymakers. Haymakers. And so, you know, what's crazy is the old man, I mean, because we're, I think Al you had in your notes you wanted to get to Roman 7, which is.

I do. Speaking of difficult passages, it's like you really see this inward battle because we're in a world. what I'm I referred to as the realm of the flesh because that is exactly how Paul described it in the book of Romans. And then you become a new creation, which is 2nd Corinthians 5. Oh, that's a good one.

Oh, yeah. But you have this struggle. So our guess, she asked me with my favorite Bible verse, but after the whole thing about the chickens, because I got back on it. I'm not going to do it again. not because there's been so much disdain for that but just the old man you know when you ask me what my

favorite bible verse is there are certain occasions of course i gave hebrews 13 8 jesus christ is the same yesterday today it's a classic it's a verse that you can ponder for the rest of your life exactly and uh and glad you're in good standing with him you know you've surrendered to him but But a part of me, just every once in a while, when I have these kind of awkward conversations, I want to put down John 1327. Have you ever given that as your favorite verse? I have not.

But I did put down John 747 one time accidentally, which said, did he deceive you as well? Retorted the Pharisees? I signed that in several books. This one is along that line. because as soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered him. And Jesus told him, what you are about to do, do it quickly.

You quoted that in an answer. Well, my point is, when you don't know what you're doing, do it quickly. Yep, do it quickly. And so that's what I'm saying. These people are putting some of these messages on the boards. At least they're, that was. I used to say that about my golf game.

Oh, wow. I have used that. Yeah. I don't like slow playing golfers who are bad. Yeah, if you're bad, do it quickly. Get it over with. Get on through. Pick your ball up and move on to the next hole.

I mean, look, Al. To watch somebody swing 20 times at a golf ball. For everybody else, it's like trying to play golf, it's miserable. Move on. To use an illustration, we used to play golf with a pastor that, used to lead the youth group. I don't want to mention any names, but he's from Pocahontas, Arkansas.

And he would get up there with a golf club. He seems through his nose. For you her listening. And he always did the same thing. He would turn to us, the people which you're not supposed to stand right behind of,

because it's considered bad golf etiquette. And he would say, help watch this for. Help me watch this boy. You know, my eyes, my eyes. Help me watch this boy. And I always thought that was unusual. I'm like,

this is how it started. And then all of a sudden, he started doing this weird body flex. He'd go from his heels to his toes. And look, even though it was probably just a few seconds, it seemed like an eternity. And he would do all this after he's asked us to watch it.

And I mean, look, then he does a few waggles. And I'm not saying that he had a body that was built not for, golf but he had a body not built for golf and then he turns and i'm telling you over half the time he would top it he'd say have me watch this boys and i'd say it's just it's right there my it didn't get off the teabot and so one day i forgot about it quoted the verse and it offended him i said mike i'm going to give you some advice because he thought i was fixed to help his golf swing

This is my preaching partner and Jason's old youth minister. And I said, when you don't know what you're doing, do it quickly. John 13. And so about a week later, he said, you know, that was about Judas betraying the Lord. He actually knew what the verse was. I said, even Jesus on his betrayer picked out a good quality about it. Just do it because you'd do it. Don't know what you're doing.

Do it in a hurry. Hurry up. We used to play back then on this little, it's a goat ranch is what I call it now, a little golf course that we'd probably never play on now. Because it was all we could afford. It was cheap, remember? Yeah. And we were all in ministry.

I think it was $4. It was like $4. Four bucks. And so I'll never forget one of my favorite things that happened. It was not good, but it's like it burns in my memory. There was a hole, and there's a streak to the left of the hole. and of course that's out of bounds. But there's no fence or anything.

And so back then, Jay's was paying a big old cut. Which is a slice. Look, I've noticed our viewers, they don't like chicken stories. I know. They don't like golf. I know here we're doing the same thing. But I got to tell this because it was so funny. I don't think I've ever told on the podcast.

Jay's hit this big old cut. And so we're watching it. And then all of a sudden we went, we look up because there's four city workers standing around a manhole on the street. And the ball is headed. right for them. And it didn't hit them in flight. It actually hit the road.

Right in front of them. And ricocheted, and we saw one of them go down. Just go down. And it was terrible because, like, Jay's is trying to holler, but we just didn't see it until it happened. And Jayce goes over there. Oh, I hollered after it hit him.

Yeah, I know. I went, four. And I think they thought four, because they weren't golfers. Right. They thought I was, saying yeah there was four of you four of you and i got i got one of because they were this guy was hot like when jason oh he threw his rake at me i mean let me channel enter phil so i think

we need to get into the bible i agree but al that guy wanted to fight jase he did and jace was like dude i mean he was you were apologetic you were trying we were all preachers but i did grab a club once he threw the rake at me he threw a rake because i phil taught me that, you know, he used to give fish to the people who stole them. Right. And you have been beaten for your faith because you've told that story for it. I have. I took a beating for the Lord.

And look, turned out to be a good brother and I'm glad I did it. But what if that guy listens to our podcast now? And he's like, I'm not, I'm telling the street worker. He could be a listener. I don't know. But Phil, it was so, you know, bewildering. but I think powerful that I saw his maturity grow with people stealing the fish because, I mean, he was hot about it.

I mean, he's like, you're taking food off my kids' table. I mean, so he started off with the shotgun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he would just bum rush him. I mean, look, the fear, just imagine you're in a boat and you just stole a net. And here comes my dad, six, four, two hundred, pounds and he was he was the college athlete fell back in this year yeah had hadn't taken a shower in days and he comes up with that shotgun and he's like what you're doing stealing my fit he went from

that so so then he would would carry the Bible and the gun which he thought would is was more an act of peace that just made it worse because then they're like he's crazy that's right because people I mean, the one time... Dad always loved that look, because remember he kept trying to do it for all his book covers of him, like, holding an AR and the Bible. I said, Dad, it makes you very frightening. I know you're seeing it as the sword of the spirit and all that,

but it just scares people. But then his last act was to then give them the fish and an invitation to a Bible study. And that stopped the stealing. But he still had the gun. You still have. And which I don't blame him for that. I mean, I know the weapons we fight with are not of the war.

world, which, by the way, the Greek word for that is flesh. Ah, here we go. No, I mean, I know. Yeah, I went down that chicken, are we going to call it a chicken coop? Chicken coo. The chicken cook. But I'll get off the chicken. But I think the point was missed.

I'm glad we brought it back up because I thought it was good. Well, I think the point was missed. I just think that there's some power in an intelligent designer that, you know, Well, you did it with humor, which I appreciate it. It was intended to be somewhat humorous, but sometimes. It didn't land with everybody. That's what happens with humor. It doesn't land with everybody.

I have a saying that when I do speeches all around the country, all around the world, I guess, and when I say something intended for comedy reasons and no one laughs, I'll say, look, next time, put your hands up over your head. do this all the time. Look, they're not, they're not understanding. I said, do this. I was like, go ahead and try it. So maybe you'll catch what I was saying because it went over your head.

And then they're offended because you're saying they're stupid. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Well, Jason, we've already established it's unintentionally funny. All right, before we get to the text, so your tailbone, I meant to ask you about that because you brought that up in a previous. Is this pick on, Jason? Well, I'm just saying you had an accident. You seem to be moving better.

So are you healed now? Are you back to? I feel the best I felt since it happened this day. I still have a cushion. You tell that story, yeah. But it just shows you that the resurrection looms large. Things happen. Suffering is a part of life in this world.

It's part of being. Part of getting old. It's embarrassing that one of the worst injuries I ever had was to my rear end. I just fell on a rock. And I've been walking with a limp for days. And then I've been laughing about it because I guess I'm rejoicing at your calamity. Let Job's friends.

But no, I am glad you're better, Joe. But it has inspired me to do more active things. I've been swimming. I've been trying to do anything to get better. And Missy was saying your praises when she was on the last podcast about how you're keeping yourself in shape. Yeah.

We talked about that being a high testosterone. Zach, you weren't on that episode. Well, he was here. He just never seen. Oh, that's right. He was. He was just ignoring us. Zach actually did a whole podcast with us and he never said anything.

So that was. No, he was there because I look up and see him. I was there for the beginning. I left because I had a little. Oh, that's right. I don't apologize for it. I found it.

You know, a nice job. Sometimes we just look up for those of you that don't know. So Zach's in a monitor here and we look up and he's just gone. Jay's like, hmm, I guess. Well,

only when Jace goes on a 30-minute rant about chickens, and I might, I might kind of just back out on that. You're leaving out one part. That covered the span of two podcasts. It did. Yeah. Oh, boy, I got a lot of ridicule for that. So my apologies.

Thank you, Megan, for liking the chicken. I tried to make a point. I thought it was. And the point was I want you to never look at a chicken the same again. Which I got it. And the reason I loved it is because I've read that verse a thousand times. I've taught it. I've never thought about it from this person.

perspective of a chicken, which you brought that to mine, which I thought was pretty good. Yeah. I think it's cool that the creator got to experience from our perspective all these little things in life. Right. You know, I've had some of my best thoughts staring at chickens. Right. Well, you know, it's like, and you wonder, somebody asked me recently, they said,

do you think when, like, Jesus would be walking on a sandy beach? I mean, he's thinking back to the concept. of that he created that same thing. I mean, like, what was he thinking about in terms of experiencing creation as a human that he created? That was my point. That's a pretty good deal.

The problem, the failure to connect is is everybody thinks you have to do the same thing to have some kind of, you know, climb a mountain. Yeah. I'll just go in the backyard and stare at some chickens. Yeah. I'm telling you, I'm having a moment here. This is awesome.

I will say this, Tony, our brother-in-law, just painted a painting that I found fascinating, fascinating that where Jesus is walking on the water. And I don't know how he did this. Artist, I guess they have weird ways. But it's like you're looking from the perspective of being under the water and you're looking up. You see the bottoms of Jesus' feet.

And then his hand is reaching down into the water. So it's like if Peter, like if you could look at that scene where Peter's like sinking and looking up and Jesus is above him. it's that scene. And I think it's fascinating. I mean, who would think like that except an artist? But it's beautiful. If you want to check it out, check out Tony's stuff, Tony Thomas.

All right. So back to John 14. Last podcast, we literally ran it dry right up to the end, looking at sort of a 30,000-foot view of John 14 through 16. And the reason we're doing that is because this text, as we've been pointing out, is applied in a lot of different ways that probably wasn't meant to be applied to.

Is that a fair way to put it? I think so. But the idea is about the power of the Holy Spirit was Jesus, or I should say John, focused on Jesus' comments. I did think it was one thing interesting that N.T. Wright brought up when I was reading his commentary on this,

is he wondered when this happened. And I hadn't thought about it, but he said, I wondered if this, because if you look back on the night narrative of what happened, You know, once they left this, you know, him washing their feet and the Passover, you know, they went to the garden, you know, is what happens on that night. He said, he wondered if this conversation happened along the way and once they got there, which I never had thought about it, but he said, you know, it could have just been any time. And then John just included it here.

But I did find that fascinating to think that if that was one of the last things he told him was this, because it was coming. Well, and I think when you read the other gospels, the other three, like at, at. the washing of the feet and the supper, they're arguing about who's going to be the greatest. And so I think this was demoralizing that he's fixed to take over the world and they're going to be a part of it. And he's washing their feet.

Yeah. And he's talking about dying and somebody betraying them. Yeah. Somebody disowning them. I think that's why he led with, do not let your hearts be trouble. Oh, it's trouble.

Yeah. It's like, you're not going to be able to conquer anything. That's right. I really think that was the problem because everybody, one of the top ten questions I get out in public is, why didn't they, I don't understand why they didn't get it. And I'm like, you wouldn't have got it either. It's just backwards of thinking, oh, I'm bringing in a kingdom. I'm going to be king. We're going to take over.

And meanwhile, your nation is being oppressed by another government who seems to be. the greatest wonder the world has ever known, the Roman government. Right. And all of a sudden, you're going to be king, and you're riding in on a donkey, you're watching disciples,

their feet, it just doesn't seem, where are the weapons, tanks, bombs, whatever. I mean, how are we going to use your skill set to take over the world? Because you definitely have a skill set. Yeah. You can produce food, you know,

so we don't have to worry about being starved out. I think they were looking at it from a military standpoint, and it's just hard. to get off that, you know. And what I love about it is what we've been doing in John primarily is looking back so much at the Old Testament history of how everything points to this moment. I love you to say that about the Roman Empire because in Daniel, it's very clear this was

going to happen then. Oh, yeah. And so there should have been more people that got it, that didn't, that missed it just because they had missed the narrative, which is why we're trying to focus in so much on it. I preach Sunday, Zach, from Joshua, because you brought up Exodus in the last podcast, and it's amazing to look back, you see these little nuggets of things you miss. At the end of the book of Joshua, you know, they've conquered the land, they got the inheritance that was promised to Abraham 400 years earlier.

And I don't know what you thought about this, Jay's, because you listened to my sermon. But this is something I had never noticed before. At the very end of Joshua, he's talking about, he makes them, you know, are you going to serve the Lord? And they're like, yes. He said, now look, your word is your witness. You're saying you're going to do this. So if you're going to really follow God, you've got to believe.

Oh, we believe we're going to do this. And then he took this giant rock and he sets it up. And he says, well, this rock is a witness. It's hearing what you're saying, which I thought was kind of weird because a rock can't hear. And yet he sets it up there. And then their generations are going to go by. He said, this is a witness to whether you're really going to serve God or not. and I had never thought about it, but I made the point,

and I went back and looked at all those rock references and Jesus as the stone and the living stone and all these things that would come forward, and even the confession. Remember when Jesus said, if you don't acknowledge me, the rocks will cry out. Exactly. And so I thought about all those references that were there, and it came up in the last episode when you were reading Ephesians 2.

And I thought about the chief cornerstone. That was one of the ones I looked at. And then there's all these pastoral. is about him being the stone and the cornerstone and the capstone and the stone that they stumbled over. And it's just all through there. And I thought, well, I never really noticed it. And I don't know the Bible doesn't say this. I'm just, you know, it's my opinion.

But it looks like to me that was another little reference, just a nugget. Oh, I think so. You know, look, which is my point. Because how can a rock be a witness? Well, if the rock is Jesus. I mean, you know. How it kind of sounds like, well, how can a chicken be a witness? Exactly.

Which is why I like that, right? Well, I think when you're saying that, I thought about that verse in, which is another chapter that's where Paul emphasizes the work of the Holy Spirit in Romans 8. There's that famous line. We've talked about it for years, verse 19, for the creation itself, waits for the creation, waits eagerly for the sons of God to be revealed. Or for the creation waits and eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. So there is kind of this idea of this grand vision of redemption that stretches not just to our own, like, individual salvation, but actually the creation itself is waiting and bearing witness to what's happening. And again, it goes back to the importance of the human body, you know, the importance of the flesh, the importance of what God made. He says, it's good.

Like, flesh in that sense is God made it good. And I think that's a big part of the coming of the Holy Spirit. that he's going to take up residence in that. And so, I don't know, it's made me think of that when you read that question. Well, and it really, it kind of goes with where we're going with this. Jace mentioned about Roman 7,

because Paul gives that picture in Romans 7 and 8 of what we're describing here, the difference of us trying to somehow accomplish our own righteousness through our life in accordance with comparison to law. And then how he then comes back in chapter 8

and says, where you were fight you were like a man beating against the air you know yeah well that's why i was trying to bring up the difficulty in the way jesus approached things even back in john 12 we didn't really talk about this but you know when jesus has this i mean one of these moments where god actually speaks and they thought it thundered you know and he's like this voice was for your benefit and not mine now the time for judgment of this world now the prince of this world will be driven out when i'm lifted up i'll draw all men to myself and so he has this moment where the crowd is like we have heard from the law this is uh 34 that the christ will remain forever so how can you say

the son of man must be lifted up i mean they're like He's saying these profound things that, you know, I'm the creator of the universe in human form, the son of man. And I came here for you. There's a plan. This is all good. And so they ask him kind of a theological question. It's like, because they weren't getting it either, the crowd.

But then Jesus, I mean, it's a question you think he would get theological. And then he says in 35, Jesus told him, this is in response to their question. How can you say? the law you've heard from the law that the Christ will remain forever so how do you say the son of man lift up so then he says you're going to have the light just a little while longer he starts talking about light and darkness I mean it just seems like an odd thing to answer the question walk while you have the light before darkness overtakes you the man who walks in the dark does not know where he's going.

This is almost comical. It's like when you're walking in the dark, you don't even know where you're going. You're stumbling. Yeah, the man who walks in the dark does not know where he's going. Put your trust in the light while you have it so that you may become,

and this is what I wanted to get to, children of light. When he had finished speaking, Jesus left. You know why? Because everybody went, what? Well, he starts talking about light and darkness and walking around in the dark and what?

Well, when you kind of look at what that really means to your life, when we're all in darkness and you kind of have the realization, I'm making a mess of this life that was given to me. I mean, that's the point. And I think that's why the exposure is a big part of this, and that's going to be the Holy Spirit's role. I mean, it's now in you. There's no place to hide.

There's no place to light. You have the Holy Spirit. Who are you kidding now? So it always troubles me when, you know, you talk about double life, and you brought that up in your sermon. And, man, you get God's spirit in you, and just the realization of that, everything starts getting really exposed and getting real in your prayer life.

And, I mean, what are you doing? One minute you're saying this, and the next minute, you're trying to hide and live this kind of life. And I think that's what he was hitting on, which is really what Romans. seven is about. Well, I'm glad you brought that up because you're exactly right. I closed the sermon by Joshua's last words. As for me in my household, we were served the Lord. It's a choice. It's a decision. And I not only make it, but then I'm the first witness in my own home because he put that

in the household. Then the people say, well, we are going to do this. So then your word is your witness. And then the third thing was the stone is your witness, which I would argue then is the Holy Spirit, because that's what comes into us. So that's the ultimate witness. You're now God's house. Exactly. So when you say that, I mean, you're just, I mean, I kind of do this little thing about, especially with my kids when they were teenagers, I'm like, when they came into my house,

they're friends. I gave a speech. I was like, you are entering a house that has given themselves to the Lord. I don't want anything happening in this house that is illegal or immoral. Do you all understand what those two words mean? Everybody's just looking at me with blank stares on their face. This is what happens. This was a Joshua moment.

And if they said anything on like, why are I quickly segwayed into we are the house of God, human beings. It's not just about this house, but I'm just saying you've entered the presence of God. And I don't mean the structure. Yeah. And, you know, it may for good conversations. just a young man. The best thing that could happen is nothing illegal or immoral

happened, but I was trying to use Jesus style, the segue that God wants to room with you. He wants to dwell in you. That's how you got here. How did you get here? Do you pass those chickens on the way? Guess what?

He made those. I mean, everything's pointing to this conversation. Right. But Jay's made a good point, Zay, because we go from the mindset that where we think, and I'm saying we in a broad term, especially in modern Christianity,

think of the house of God as being the place where you would meet, you know, to worship him, to the house of God being the house you live in, to the house of God being you that actually house God. I mean, you see the journey that you take. And all those could be true in the sense that spirit-filled people that are together bring something. thing in community to the table.

There's no doubt Paul made that reference to the Corinthian church that when you're all together, a bunch of Holy Spirit filled people, it's special gathering. I mean, it is. It's great. It's awesome. I mean, you're uplifted by that. But the idea is that if you think only that he dwells in a temple or a church building or even your home and not in you, then you somehow miss this whole point that Jesus is trying

to make to the disciples. And I think we've made the point that people do the same thing with the idea of heaven is being this far away thing that we hope to attain when the idea is, as he says, I've poured all that out for you here. Yeah. To realize that now as you're going through life and as you're living life. That way you look at a person that crosses over and all of a sudden their spirit is not in their body, but you know it's going to reenter it, that you're not even worried about that.

That's the I mean that's where the argument leads in the in this text ultimately because we're going to end up in John 17 before he closes off this argument on the coming of the spirit but in John 17 he he, Jesus essentially takes what you just said and he puts it in just one sentence so it's just a redefinition of eternal life or or even thinking about heaven eternal life you're thinking about these are somewhat synonymous terms and he defines that as not necessarily a place that we're going to, but the fact that it's actually an intimate knowledge of God to know the one true God in Jesus Christ, the son whom he sent. This is eternal life, John 173.

And I think when you think about the role of the Holy Spirit in that, is that the spirit, and I think this is where we get really messed up, is that we often think of the spirit as the emotional experience that we have when we're in the peak of the worship service, and the song gets just the right point and everything's like the rhythms are lined up and you just feel that overwhelming emotion come over you and I think that that's a good thing to have those experiences I've had them camp highs if you want to call it that whatever it is and we think that's the holy spirit like all the spirit's moving today and and and but the spirit of course uh I think that

that he does work that way that's part of his function but but primarily the work of the spirit according to this text is going to be more serving the role as revelation. He is the one who reveals to the believer what eternal life is. The spirit is the one that will reveal to the believer the good life. The spirit is the one that will reveal to the spirit, the very inner life of God that we're being caught into. And we know this because repeatedly he's called something like the Spirit of Truth or like in John 14, it says when the advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything that I've said.

What's he talking about there? He's going to reveal to you all these things. He's going to reveal this. What peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives, but let not your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. When the Spirit comes, he is going to. to teach you the things that I want you to experience

and to know and to live in. That's 26. Because he starts on this narrative, the other Judas, verse 22, says, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? Because he got that from when he says, verse 19, before long, the world will not see many anymore.

but you will see me. Yeah. And we, I hope we made the point when it says, I will come to you. That's in verse 18. I will not leave you as orphans. I will come to you, but I just want to make the point that when you read Jesus coming,

it does not necessarily mean for the final time when he appears. Because when he's talking here, he's saying, I'm going to come to you. It has nothing to do with the final coming. Yeah. He's coming to you in the form of the spirit after he is ascended. Before long, the Lord will not see me anymore, but you will see me because I live. You will also live.

Well, where's he living? He's with the Father. Wherever that is, don't think space and time because he's no longer bound by space and time. That's why when he levitated, which some people on Acts 1, they don't believe he I'm devastated. They're like, well, because he didn't have to. But it was just a symbolic that I'm being exalted. I mean, he could have just gone in the water and just disappeared.

Or he could have gone in the wilderness. Yeah, the movies do that. Well, he could have just went in a dimensional control and just all of a sudden he's there and then he was gone. It's like some of the Clint Eastwood, Old Westerns captured that. It's like the one where he painted the town and brought judgment. It was all based on somebody had been reading their books. Bible. Yeah.

Because he brought justice to injustice. And then as the spirit of a person who had been. Yeah. They were like, well, you look familiar. You've been here before. And then he's just like, as he's riding at the end, the horse just disappeared in the desert. And they're like, oh, what did that mean?

Because it was something that it was a Jesus like fit, which Hollywood loves to do. Because you know why? It's interesting what God can do. So the same thing. here when he's like because I live you also live when he levitated it was just a symbol and then the cloud hid him from his sight

well he didn't keep traveling through space and time to go to some specific destination where God the father is because he's not bound like that so wherever that I use the word realm and you're like well what's Jesus like now well it's a

different mode of being that's the phrase I use because what else you're going to say I don't know I don't know where they're at, but I know they're not far because he says that over and over. Right. But his spirit is in me.

You're like, well, how does that happen? Well, not really sure. That's why this can be confusing. But when I read something that I will be in you forever, and then when you go to Romans 8, Paul starts explaining this, he's like, your body is dead because of sin. Right.

but your spirit is alive and the same spirit who raised Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal flesh is the word so you're like but I'm still in the flesh yep but the spirit is in you and so what do you do you do you have this conundrum that Roman seven's all about do you live even though you're now new in Christ you're a new creation do you feed the flesh that you're in or do you feed the spirit that's in your flesh right that's that's what it's about and it becomes a war yeah because he because the point that I think this is a key point that this is a lot of not yet now language in here too on that day you're going to realize that I am in my father and that you are in me and that I am in you so I but that's I mean that's the when he says the world's not going to see me I'm leaving but the but the purpose is to reveal the Holy Spirit to send the Holy Spirit so And you need to read that 100 times because it took me reading that 100 times for me to say, okay. He's in me.

Yeah, I think the way I would interpret this would be, say, what is that day? Well, I think if you try to narrow down that day on that day, you will know. I think that you're going to have a really difficult time narrowing that down and isolating it to one day. I think that day, I think it's, because one of us, you know it's the resurrection, right, as the first fulfillment of this is going to be the resurrection of Christ. Then I was probably to say that Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit comes, this, it comes through the union with Christ. And then what we're waiting on is that ultimate consummation of this at the second coming.

So we've experienced, we're experiencing it now, but not fully, because guess what? there's a lot of times when I don't actually believe in the revelation of the Holy Spirit. I don't believe is revelation. That's called sin. I don't believe that Christ has offered me the best way. That's why I'm like choosing my own autonomous path. And Christ is like, don't do that. It's called quenching the Spirit.

It's called sin. But there will be a day when sin will be removed, the very presence of sin, and it won't be possible for me to believe in a lie. And I think what marks the consummation of the kingdom, what marks the second coming as the second coming, obviously Christ's coming back, right? But what's going to be so different? Why, why is it going to be glorification instead of sanctification? And the reason why is because when Christ returns, this is Philippians chapter 2, when Christ returns at the second coming, you're not going to have the ability to look at the glory of Christ and say, yeah, I don't know if that's true or not.

Like his glory is going to be so overwhelming. There's a threshold of revelation of God. revealing himself to humanity that when we receive it you won't miss it you can't miss it in fact even even those who don't want it even Satan himself even the the the the evil demons the reprobate those who don't confess christ here's the interesting thing what paul says in philippine to say what's he say at the name of jesus every tongue not some tongues not the tongues not the tongues that every tongue will confess Every knee will bow on heaven, on earth, and under the earth. Everybody at the second coming of Christ is going to fall on their face before a holy God, they're going to be like, okay, you're God, I'm not.

You're Lord. I mean, that's where it's all headed. And so I think that that's what, at least the Christians, the people who put their faith in Jesus, man, that's the hope. I don't want to believe in this lie anymore. I want to quit sinning. And I love that you put it in the time context because, because God is outside time and space,

he works things differently than we like to know that exact moment. It's the same reason. I'm wearing a shirt this as 8033, which we know that was when these things happened. We just mentioned, but it was 8070. I mean, almost 40 years goes by before the temple was destroyed,

and all these things he had been predicting and talking about we're going to happen during this time frame. Well, why? We had to be like this, snapping our fingers, and he's on, no, wait a minute, my will is being done. The gospel went out,

And it didn't just go out to Jerusalem, the Jewish world. It went out to everybody. Well, that's where I was going with this, because you're right. But that's just one vein of. What we miss in this is why is the Holy Spirit teaching them? And that's where I was getting when he said, told Judas, the other Judas, Lord, do you intend, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world? Well, because he wasn't grasping that the Holy Spirit was going to, that's how he was going to show himself.

So then Jesus says, if you love me, you'll obey my teaching. Well, he starts bringing up his teaching. And then this famous verse, my father will love him, we will come to him and make our home with him. So that's how he's going to show himself. Well, what's he talking about? Holy Spirit coming. But why is what I think we miss?

He then goes to the verse that Zach quoted, which is 26. Let me get my glasses on. 25. All this I have spoken while I'm still with you, but the counselor of the Holy Spirit and the Father will send in my name will teach you

all the things and remind you of everything I have said to you. Well, for what reason? Because he has a job for him to do, which you're going to see when we get to chapter 20 and you remember right after his resurrection, He appears to him. He says peace.

But then he says, peace be with you in 21. 2021. As the father has sent me, I am sending you. That's why I wore this shirt, Al. We're created for a purpose. There's a purpose.

So yes, you have the glorification. It's coming. You have the sanctification. That's great. Fantastic. But you also now have a job, I guess we call that vocation. Yeah.

To be like, Jesus. And you're like, well, I can't be like Jesus. But you have a spirit in you. So yes, you can be like Jesus. And there's where the clash of the world happened. There's the God against the God. But he's using redeemed,

renewed creatures, humans filled with the Holy Spirit to do this. Which is why they're going to have trouble, which is why they're going to be persecuted. Which is why he opened that with peace be with you. And back in John 14, guess what it said, peace I leave with you, my peace I give you.

Says it twice. Don't let your hearts be trouble. Look, this is going to be, it's going to feel like a rough slog, but you're not alone. Yeah. You're never alone. Exactly. Holy Spirit's always. Well, you think about, I think when you get John 16, he says, when the Spirit of Truth comes,

he'll guide you into all truth. And so it's where I think this, like, rubber meets the road, kind of real practical application is that if you have a habitual sin in your life, and which a lot of us do um you have a habitual sin in your life you've been trying to kick this habit you've been trying to kick this sin and you just can't like you can't kick it and and i think the way we typically approach that if you're raised in the church is you might understand the holy spirit to be the agent of the trinity who is the one that convicts you of that sin john 16 right he conviction of your sin he says that's wrong but i think what the

the text here is teaching is that he's not necessarily telling you that it's wrong. He's not telling you that your sin is simply a, you've, you've rebelled against the commandment. You've, you know, we heard it say missed the mark or something. Like, I think that's a limited way to view. I think what the role of the spirit is about your particular sin is he's, he's revealing to you, that's not true. Like, that's not going to fulfill you, because if you go back to the garden and you think, well, what was the birth of the original sin? It was that they believed in a lie. Did God really say, and so they start to justify,

and the reason, the way that Satan was able to manipulate Adam and Eve is that he got them to question in the good provision of a loving father. He said, God knows that when you eat of this fruit, you'll be like him knowing good from evil. So Satan's temptation was to tell them that, Whatever God revealed to you, he told you this was the good life, but he's actually holding out on you. And so what the Spirit is now going to do, now that we believe that, we've actually believed that God's withholding something good from us.

And I would argue that's the essence of sin. What the Spirit is going to do, if he lives in you, is he's going to tell you, no, that's not true. So, like, lusting after a woman that's not your wife. Like, you may think that's appealing, right? But the Spirit's going to say, that's not true. like that that will not fulfill you let me show you where that ends broken family divorce court losing half of your your your your wealth um the split children angry i mean just all the that you don't want to go there and if you could see the end of that decision you would look at that

that that that lustful moment think that's disgusting i want to run from that you know or that or when so what that that's what the spirit does he's revealed and that's that's how you have real victory. You can only have victory through the spirit because it's the spirit that's going to reveal to you reality. And then ultimately, it's a revelation of the inner life of God, which is why a lot of this kind of ends up in John's, that's John 17.3. He's ultimately revealing that he is eternal life. And anything apart from him to die and apart from him is actually a death work and it will make you miserable. And the only way that you're going to find the peace that he says is going to be with you is through union with Christ.

And I think that's the primary role of what the Holy Spirit was sent to do, what he was sent to do. I think so. But I think it also, when you went back to Genesis, it also allowed humans with the idea from the evil one to create a new world by humans, where you now have not the knowledge of good and evil, and in that weakness or the fleshly realm, it then became what we see today. Yeah. Which is, you have the desire to do what's good, but since you have that knowledge, we all at some

point, through our weakness, choose sin, which is why when you get to Romans 8, 3, which I guess we'll have to get back to Romans 7 and 8 next time, because we never even got there. We sort of got there. But I like that verse that says, you know, there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ. And he introduces these two worlds, this law of sin and death and the law of spirit, the spirit and life. But then the key verse in there is verse three is that Jesus became part of this fleshly realm to condemn. And if you read this very carefully, sin. sin itself in the flesh.

He took that away. He condemned it through love, death on a cross. So that why? So that we could be new creations with the spirit, gives his spirit. I mean, that's kind of how this is going to work when you talk about why he's introduced in the role of the spirit.

I love it. This is a great place to end this, and we'll pick it up there at the end of John 14, which then is going to lead into a whole other discussion about the buying the brink. branches. So we'll get into that as well as Romans 7-8 next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click the little

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