Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1161 | Jase Lands in the Doghouse for Selling Missy’s Heirloom & What Would You Do with $1.4 B?

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

Jase sparks a marriage meltdown by unknowingly selling Missy’s family heirloom clock, and the fix costs him a pretty penny. Al puts on his marriage-counselor hat, and the guys agree that forgiveness—especially in marriage—is key to a successful relationship. The $1.4 billion Powerball prize gets Zach’s wheels turning, but Jase shares a godly message about the danger of choosing wealth over eternity. The guys dive into the fruit of the Spirit and what it means to abide in Jesus as the vine and the branches. In this episode: Mark 10, verse 21; John 13, verses 3-10; John 15, verses 1–11; 1 Corinthians 1, verse 21; 1 Corinthians 2, verses 4-11; 2 Corinthians 5, verses 5, 16, 21; Romans 5, verse 8; Romans 5, verse 10; 1 John 4, verse 16 Chapters: 00:00–08:27 What if You Won the 1.4B Powerball? 08:28–19:00 Jase Sells Missy’s Family Heirloom 19:00–25:33 Forgiveness is Better Than Bitterness 25:34–37:02 Doing What’s Right & Obedience in Faith 37:03–47:54 Jesus Shows the Full Expression of His Love 47:55–56:53 We’re the Branches, He’s the Vine — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we were talking about the power ball. Apparently. Not we. You and Zach. Well, Zach brought it. He hasn't if I bought a thing.

And I didn't even know anything about it, but I did see a couple yesterday at the convenience store giving their numbers to the guy that works there, which I guess if you give your own numbers, I guess. Yeah, you're a baller then. Yeah, because they were like, hey, 60. And I was chuckling. I thought, well, they must be fired up at the, but it's over a billion dollars. Of course, by the time this airs, I guess.

But, yeah, I mean, I won't know who won probably by them. But, I mean, as it sits today, 1.4 billion, which I have a rule, I don't believe in buying lottery tickets at all. It's just until he gets over a billion. Wait a minute. That was a Pauls, and then there was a, uh, it sounds like the, he's got a conscience line. It's right up there. But then it's like, but it's like, but it's. It's a billion dollar.

I have considered it. I mean, I've got 12 hours till the drawing. I know it's a complete waste of money. So this is a national lottery. It's a national lottery, 1.4 billion. If I buy a ticket, the way I look at it is. Is it a ticket a dollar still? I don't know.

I don't know what they cost. Probably, yeah. Maybe like a dollar. She doesn't want to manage it. Anyway, two bucks, three bucks. I don't know. In the old days, it was a dollar. I have done it before, like, years ago.

A bunch of us went in together. And $2. $2. $2. Okay. Inflation. So 10 tickets, about 10 tickets for $2. $20.

And what you're buying is a 12-hour dream. You could dream for 12 hours. Is that what? If you want it, so 1.4 billion, and half of it would go to the government. So you would probably put about a half a billion in your pocket? About 600 million. Six hundred million. What would you do with half a billion dollars?

What would do the first thing you did? I told Jill if I ever won, no, I would never tell us. anybody. That's, now that's, now you're talking. I said, you would never know. You'd have to do some kind of shell

company or something to, oh yeah, because they think about everybody that's ever known you'd be asking for money. Oh, you can't let people know you know that you'd be in your life.

No, Jayce, I was listening. Chase is pulling a dad. He's going to be, he's got his Bible open. He's ready to roll. Enough small talk,

Chase. Mark chapter 10. There we go. 21. 21. There was a guy that came up and he said, what must I do to inherit eternal life? Because you started off talking about power. Power ball.

That's right. Yeah. What makes it powerful? You're like, well, $1.4 billion. That's your power. Yeah. Well, the power that I'm going to discuss has nothing to do with a ball or money. he said what must I do to inherit

eternal life which I would think if you you graded that on the power scale living eternally versus a billion 1.4 billion what would you take I think I'll take eternal life just

I'll take eternal life I'll take eternal life for 1.4 billion Bob so why do you call me good Jesus answer, which is an interesting statement. Right. No one is good except God alone. We can discuss that later. You know the commandments.

He goes through the commandments about do not murder, do not commit adultery, don't steal, don't give false testimony. There's nothing in here about lottery tickets. But teacher, he declared all these I've kept, which is a, you know, a strange statement since I was a boy. So now in this moment, I'm going to try to do this. I'm looking at Zach, and I'm loving him. I'm loving him right now. I haven't bought one yet, Jace. Just think about this.

If you buy a lottery ticket, it does. If you buy a lottery ticket, it goes to fund education. So, I mean, if I do it, it would be for the kids. Okay. Can I finish? Go ahead. And you tie, I'm sure. He looked at him and he loved him.

Yep. I just, this passage. just recently came to my mind in a context of another, I guess, rabbit hole, yeah, that we will get into at some point in the next couple of podcasts. But he looked at him and he loved him because it's strange because he rejects him. Yeah. But he looked at him and he loved him. He said, one thing you lack, go sell everything you have and give to the poor.

and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come follow me, which I would say is the exact opposite of winning the lottery for this guy. So he went away sad because he was a man of great wealth. Well, you know, Zach, I just thought about I can't buy a ticket because if I were to win outside of just Jason's little exposition there. But outside of that, 100% I read somewhere of every life. lottery winner has gained weight.

And now that I've lost weight, I mean, I would just be guaranteeing that I would... Where do you get these steps? I read it someplace on the internet. You didn't read it in the Bible. I didn't read the Bible. Let me do a little Google search here. What percent of lottery? It said 100 percent of lottery.

One thing they all said, the rich young Rooder was a man of girth. He was probably a man of girth. You know, they weren't working out back in the first century. You know what I found him heard of being. Fascinating is that, you know, we've been talking about the Holy Spirit and dwelling this. And in several occasions in the Bible, it says the Holy Spirit is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance. What exactly are we inheriting? Everything.

I mean. See where I'm going? Yeah, I get it. You know what? Now, we've been also talking about... Co-heirs, remember co-ares or Christ? Jesus came to establish a world, a new world, a new creation within the creation, within the old world.

Because when Jesus introduced the new world, spirit-filled people, then that just by contrast means we now have an old world. And we know who's ruling that on the earth. Right. The prince of that world. The prince of the world. Right. And self-proclaimed prince to Jesus himself.

Remember when he tempted him? He said, this is all mine. Well, you know what the Greek word for world is? Cosmos. Yeah. Which our dad used to say, hey, you want to win the lottery? You're already inheriting the cosmos. Which is funny because I had that conversation.

conversation with my parents and I had it with Lisa had it with her parents in front of me that they owe us nothing because we are co-ares of the universe. I was like, don't worry it like at the end of your life. Like, you know, we didn't leave any money for you. I'm like, I'm a co-air of the universe. And I've told my kids the same thing. I said, I don't know what's going to happen at the end of it. Patrick Meade said the guy who dies penniless is perfect timing. Maybe he's right. But my deal is I'm co-air of the universe and the conversation. There was a local football coach in y'all's area that he was a legend. And I was talking to him one time.

He said, yeah, my goal was to die $2 million in debt. Well, that's another whole thing there. I'm not sure. That's great. Not only he wasn't taking it with him. He was going to leave. He's like, I'm going to extend myself beyond my departure. And they did name the football field after him.

So there you go. They did. So Jay's, we come in here this morning, Zach was talking about lottery tickets, but you were on some kind of rant. Well, I mean, I don't know. You're asking Maddie about old podcast. I was just getting bits and pieces,

but when you said you were angry, then I was intrigued. Al? I don't see you angry very often. Al? And they're yelling next door I can hear it over there. But normally in here we're not doing that. Al, I have a story. So by the way Jase

Before you tell it So they're asking me questions Where's Chase So my question back to the fans Here at Duck Commander Sunday I said do you ever think Jace Will run out of stories And every one of them said never

So there you go Well tell us your story I have a little anxiety about telling This story Because Does it involve Missy? It does involve Missy I will be careful

I'm in a quantity here. So Miss Maddie informed us that I told this story on episode 1152. That was nine episodes. In your time for you that are listening, we're now a week later. We'll have an episode. This is what episode? 1161. 1161. So that story I told, there's a warm, fuzzy story. I was cleaning out. I want to be clear. I was trying to have the heart of a servant at our house, and I was cleaning out the garage, which most of the stuff in there was my old junk. So I thought, you know, my wife's out of town.

I'll go out here and clean this up. So I noticed this old clock that I thought she had gotten at some kind of one of these antique. Oh, yeah, the Coca-Cola story. The Coca-Cola sign. I remember it now. Okay. So as fate would have it. It was worth a lot of money.

$500. Oh, yeah. You know, a guy is invited to my birthday party by someone else. And he sells this type of stuff. And so we made a transaction there. So fast forward. Because I was marveling that there's a market for old soft drink stuff. I just don't get it.

Fast forward a week. My wife comes back out of town and I'm like, I break the news to her. Got good news. I'd actually gotten her flowers. a welcome home. I had cleaned up. Yeah. Because the last time she had taken the trip, I did not.

And she didn't mind, but I just thought I'm going to put my best foot forward here. And I had my $300. And I was like, I made the announcement. I was like, look, you remember that old piece of junk that's been sitting out in the garage for years? Yeah. Years. Cobwebs, spiders. I was like, I sold that for 300.

hundred dollars i have three hundred dollars for you and she said that was my grandpals i didn't buy that in a antique thing i was like what that was a memory and uh i was like a heritage let's just say she was not happy i'm just going to put that hmm so you had i'm going to put that in all caps so jay stole a family heirloom So now, look, this has happened, you know, a week. Yeah, this is, we talked about this two weeks ago. I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's gone. Because she was, she gave very firm instructions that I need to find that.

And buy it back? Well, I don't know. She was like, go get it. So I have to find this guy and a friend through her friend. I find this guy and I'm like, look, whatever happened to that clock, and I kind of told him the story. And fortunately, there's hours it took for me to track this guy down. He's like, I still have it. So I was like, well, problem's solved.

So now we're really not on speaking terms through the drama of this. So I sent her a text. She's in the house, but I just sent her a text. She's in another room. She's still hot. And I'm like, Oh, problem solved. The house text.

Yeah, problem solved, no worries. I have found the clock. I will go get it. I have a meeting. And so I thought that'd be it. Nope. I think this is where I got mad. I wasn't mad up until this point.

But she said, Mia texts back, and I will not disclose that. And it was nothing, you know, ungodly. she just, she is mad, you know, that I did this. Yeah. And, well, now I'm mad because I thought, well, wait a minute. I fixed it. Well, and I thought, I didn't know this. Right.

This is, how was this my fault? Yeah, that's kind of what I was mad about. So anyway, we did the podcast yesterday. So yesterday, when we did the podcast, all this was looming. And I had no idea. You masked it well, but you did. It's one of the best podcasts we've ever done in our opinion. I was too angry about it.

And I don't mean angry. You know, it's okay to be angry. I was clear the temple angry. That's how I justified it. Jesus went in there and cleared the temple. I thought, this is not right. This is righteous. I was like, this has been here for years.

It's been neglected. I will say, Jace. I did a study on anger, and 80% of the anger in the Bible is from God. Yeah. Just so you know. But now I'm feeling like, well, man, If I would have known this, I obviously wouldn't have sold it. And I had asked her about it.

She didn't, no mention of that. She's like, oh, I can't get it to work. That was the response I got when I had asked about it before. And so, anyway, so I go over this guy's house, and I had really wrestled with, because I don't know this guy very well. He did me a favor, and I thought, what is the right thing to do here? Because he was disappointed. He was going to go make some money.

And look, by the way, it was loaded up on his truck. He was headed yesterday. It was almost gone. To Tennessee, and that was going to be gone. He goes and gets it off the truck. Well, I handed him $400. He had handed me $300. And he's like, well, this is $4.

And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm buying it back. And he's like, nope. You know, I understand. If your wife's mad, you ain't made a couple jokes. You know, I was like, my man having nobody's happy no i was like i thought about this and i actually said i prayed about this i said i want to do the right thing i was like i'm buying this back for four hundred dollars because my wife and i had a miscommunication and you were you're in the business of doing

this right so you're not going to make any money if you buy something for 300 and then sell it for 300 yeah i was like i think the right thing to do is for me to buy it back and but he was still insistent i was like, you're taking that $100. That this, if you want to give it to charity, whatever you want to do. You should have given him 50 powerball tickets. No, so what I said was, I said, yeah, that'd have been that. I said, look, you know I'm a believer in Jesus. I was like, there's consequences to our actions.

I was like, when Jesus died on a crawl, I mean, I really wasn't preaching at him, but I was using that. Sounds like preaching did. As an illustrate. Well, we had just come from a podcast. I think I was thinking, I had the spirit. I'm trying to do the right. thing.

And I was like, look, there are consequences. So you left here yesterday straight to deal with? Straight there. Okay. I went straight there. I mean, 10 minutes later, I'm having this conversation with this guy on his porch about why I'm giving him an extra $100. And if you hadn't listened to $11.60, that was the one.

It's a dozy of a podcast. So somewhere in my little illustration about you taking $100, he's like, well, he, he made, you know, he started talking about his belief in God. And, you know, it started getting heavy here. I thought, forget the clock. And so we sat on the porch, you know, and it turned into a, you know, a Jesus life. What do we think about this? Well, then I'm thinking, oh, there's a bigger thing going on here.

That's why I'm here. You know, yeah, yeah, I just, I was like, well, this is. Is that me and the jury duty? This is fantastic, you know. And so anyway, he took the $100. Then I left, and now I'm hungry. We've done the podcast. I've just had this thing.

The little daily press, we have a little, they make the sandwiches in front of, you know. It's right down the way from where this guy lives. So I go in there, make my order, go to the checkout, and the guy says, what you've been doing? And I said, I've been talking about the Bible for four hours. But it just came out. He said, what do you been doing? I was like, I've been talking about the Bible. And he said, well, what's that about?

I said, well, it's about Jesus. Because I misunderstood the question when he said, what's that about? I thought he was talking to Bible. So I just launched into it. And he said, no, I mean, it's not Sunday. He said, it's not Sunday. And I was like, what's Sunday going? I was like, oh, what is today?

I didn't even know what today was. He's like, it's Tuesday. And so then I kind of shared my faith with him. Well, the people behind me, then I realized I'm holding up the line here with this Jesus presentation. Yeah. And he said, well, every time I go to church, he said, I just feel like they're preaching at me and judging me.

And I was like, well, they are. And I said, you probably are to listen. I said, we have a podcast. That's what I meant by, I'm talking about the boy, we have a podcast. Well, the people behind me, the woman says, oh, it's fantastic. Well, I turned around and I was like, oh, y'all, listen. I see local people. listen to the podcast.

She said, we're from Missouri. We came in for Duck Commander Day. But, look, that was powerful. Because he was looking like, how can you make this up? You know? And so he started, he's like, well, what is that podcast? He's writing it down. This guy's 20 years old.

And I'm like, okay, so by the time I get home, you know, I have the clock. I bring it in, put it on the table. Are you still mad? I'm still mad. You know, I am at how this happened, but I feel like I've done everything I can do to make this right. And so my lovely wife comes out and she's like, well, are we good now? And I was like, whatever. No, now that's where I messed up.

Whatever. I'm confessing myself, right? I should have just said. You could have just texted that. We're good. You know, let's move. on but I said whatever and she she kind of retorted like back like I was like look I and I kind of gave my speech again I was like I wouldn't I would never sell something that's valuable to you

you know I was trying to do the right thing but whatever and so I guess I was frustrated not angry so then an hour later I was like you're right let's let's move on and then I basically gave her the podcast and told her the story I was like it actually worked out. So, look, I just, breaking news, if you're married, you're going to have conflict and miscommunication. We, what really solved the problem is we agreed where we messed up was the miscommunication aspect.

I had asked about it. She had told them, but she didn't, she left that part out. That was a key thing. So, you know, things happen. And the ultimate thing that, which is what you. you were really looking for from her, if I can put my marriage counsel hat on, is for her to say it's okay. I mean, I realize if she had done that, instead of just saying, are you good? I think so. I mean, if she would have softened it, just for those of you out here that get in

conflict, remember, once you've done everything to fix something, the only thing left to do is say, we're good. I mean, like, let's move on. I think that was why I was still mad. Because she was still mad. So she was just like, let's just move on. But I was like, I'm sure I'm ready to move on from there. I always tell people, forgiveness is so important, but don't, don't say it if you don't mean it. Because then it just becomes a grudge thing. And you still got to deal with it somewhere down the line. That just builds up to something else. Well, I decided to tell the story because I gave a false impression on episode 1152 for what happened. That was totally wrong. I thought

that's what I was doing. And it turns out I was selling an airily. I remember that never came up. I didn't know. The origin of it. I'd be interesting. I simply am saying we had the Holy Spirit. And these things, we still live in a world,

even though we're in the new created world in Jesus. And I believe Jesus forgives us for these momentary happenings. before, during, and after, because he knows our hearts, and we have the Holy Spirit who is helping communicate all this. Well, I thought about it since not knowing this story, obviously, until today, but I thought about what we talked about in the last podcast and this idea, this concept, two different worlds, which is a great way to look at it.

And you get to glimpse into that other world every day. All you got to do is go on the Internet or turn the news on. and you see the fruit of the lives from that world. And sometimes you'll see something good, but for the most part, let's face it, it's pretty bad. And I thought about this guy that killed these kids up in Minnesota, which would now be a couple of weeks old. I mean, what you see is just when evil runs its course out,

when there's no spirit, when there's nothing good, and there's just a person writes down that I want to kill as many kids as I can on my way. way out. That shows you what the evil one, how he controls the hearts of people and the spirit of people. I mean, it's terrible. It's sin and death just manifesting itself in real life, which is painful. Which is why the Genesis account days, I've said this so many times before, you know, we read about the fall and three, and we were talking about this on the last podcast. Well, we only get to chapter six. It was only three chapters. I mean, I don't know how much time that

was, but it's only three chapters of reading. Things escalated. Things escalated to a point that got so bad that every thought of every person was violence and wickedness. I mean, you think about it. There wasn't that many people on the planet at that time, but still, that's a fast slide into a bad place. Well, and what I was going to say, you know, we started off, Zach was talking about lottery

tickets, but it made me think of, you know, Paul's discourse in First Corinthians because he gets into the spirit rather quickly. And when he says, I guess chapter 1 in verse 21, where he says, for since in the wisdom of God, the world, through its wisdom, did not know him. God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Then he kind of breaks down the Jews and the Gentiles' problems. He's like, Jews demand miraculous signs. they want to see the power of God.

And Greeks look for wisdom. But we preach Christ crucified a stumbling block to both Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called both Jews and Greeks. And this is when he said that, the power ball. I thought about this verse. Christ, the power of God, and the wisdom of God. And then he goes on to say,

remember in chapter 2, in verse 4. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom. He then goes into in verse chapter 2, the second part of verse 11. In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God

except the Spirit of God. We have not received the Spirit of the world, but the spirit who is from God. Right. That we may understand what God has freely given us. That is what we speak, not in words talked to us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

So my point is... And that was First Corinthians, right? Yeah, First Corinthians one and two. But my point is when I was really, concerned about how to give this money back because I thought I want to make a good impression on this guy. Yeah. I didn't know, you know, he's an acquaintance. And so that's why I gave him the $400 because I thought, I want to do the right thing. And I was, I was kind of leaning on, well, what's the best way to do this from a wisdom of God standpoint? Yeah. So what do you think about

how I did that? No, I think that's exactly what a spirit. lead person should be thinking. And the good thing is by going above and beyond, and he was saying no, but you were saying, yes, this is because I want to do the right thing. That makes an impact on people. I mean, there's no doubt about it. Well, it led to us having a very good conversation

about what you should be having conversations. And I believe that was Jesus'... Especially when you're a known person as you are, we are. And because somebody, he'll tell a story now, somebody will say, yeah, do you know those duck people? And it's like, yeah, I met one. And here's, I mean, you want your reputation to be one of a person. Zach mentioned this in the last podcast. It comes back to obedience to God.

And it's not obedience in the idea that, like, we're trying to, you know, do, check every law. And it's not that kind of obedience. It's a submission lifestyle. Yeah. It says, I always want to thank the right. And look, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Well, Paul calls it the obedience of faith in the book of Romans. He begins the book of Romans and ends the book of Romans with that phrase that he was an apostle whose purpose was to bring the Gentiles to the obedience of faith.

And that's a particular type of obedience as opposed to what you said, the obedience of the law or maybe like an obedience of works. And what an obedience of faith is, it's that I obey not out of a begrudging submission. it's an obedience that I obey out of trust that you're actually, like whatever you're telling me to do is for my benefit and my good. And I think that to the point we made in the last podcast, that only comes through the revelation of the Holy Spirit. You can't get there on your own. You don't have the means to do it on your own.

So that's why Jesus in this text were in John 15 is he is promising the coming of the Holy Spirit in these few chapters of John, which is interesting that Jace brought that 1 Corinthians 1 and 2 passage up because that's pretty much what Paul says in 1st Corinthians 1 and 2 because what he says is that you like you can't understand the things that are of the spirit because they're discerned from the spirit so when Paul says I you know I came to you guys I didn't have all these incredible arguments and you know I didn't have all this the things you were looking for I came with a demonstration of the spirit and a power and I don't think that means like he was doing miracles. I think he's saying he what he what I think it's more than that because he says in

verse six of chapter two yet among the mature we do impart wisdom so he's not against wisdom he's just what kind of wisdom he qualifies it although it's not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age who are doomed to pass away but we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of god which we know that's also in john which is christ in you which god decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory. And this is the point I want to emphasize and understanding that the role of the Holy Spirit, this is what he does. But as it is written, what no eye has seen, nor ear heard, and then he adds on to that, nor the heart of man imagined. So whatever it is,

you hadn't seen it, you hadn't heard it. In fact, you can't even imagine it. What God has prepared for those who love him. So that's, this is, this is like, this means like there's a big, huge benefit. Like there's something incredible that God has prepared for those who love him. Well, how would I ever know what that is? Well, he tells us in the very next verse, the very next verse 10, these things, what things? The things that no ear has seen or no, no, no I have seen, no ear is heard, nor the heart of man to imagine what God's prepared for those who love him. These things, God has revealed to us through the spirit. spirit. So that's the, like, the purpose of the spirit is he's revealing to our hearts

stuff that we can't even imagine. It's not just about right and wrong. It's more about true and false. And what's true is, is that God has actually prepared something absolutely incredible for you, if you would just put your trust in him. And when you do, in a measure as you, as you believe the Holy Spirit's revelation, well, what's? the revelation, what God is prepared for those who love him. He's telling this is what God is prepared for those who love him. Then as I submit to that, I actually taste the goodness of the Lord. And Romans 4 says that, like Abraham, he says, faith was increased as he gave glory to God.

So as he submitted to the Spirit, he actually tasted the Lord. Man, that's really good. I want some more of him. Well, then he does it even further and further and further. So as you submit to the Spirit, your faith actually increases. You actually believe God's revelation even more because you're actually tasting the evidence of his goodness of what he's prepared for you.

No, that's really good. And I was thinking about it if you really do a deep dive as we're doing on study of the spirit and we're going to look back some today when we get into 15. But if you look forward from here, like John gives this exposition from Jesus,

but the writings of Paul are so, such a good explanation of all this, we're talking about. I mean, Jay's, you all both quoted, like, First St. Corinthians, also in Romans, his writings on how he got it. And he wasn't even here at the original part. He got all this post. Well, and I think he's, you know.

I mean, he was the perfect mind for, to explain this, especially to the Gentile world, coming from a Jewish perspective. I mean, it was. Well, he experienced the love of God. I mean, you think about Romans 5 that he would write while we were, his enemies. Yeah. God, what does it say?

God demonstrates his love. Yeah. Something about we are his enemies. And my point I'm making is... He literally wasn't. How can you be any more of an enemy? Yeah. Then be a terrorist.

Yeah, he was a terrorist against Christians. Right. I think it's five, eight God... Let's see, where is that where it says... We're something about we're enemies. Oh, verse 10. Yeah. Five, ten.

for if when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him. Yeah. Through the death of his son. How much more have him been reconciled? Shall we be saved through his life? You notice that world keeps coming up? Because I was thinking about that 2nd Corinthians 5,

where he says, but, you know, this idea of a new creation, new world. You know, when 2nd Corinthians 5 says, you know, he talks about, what happens when this tent falls apart. You know, we groan. But he throws in that Holy Spirit when he says, 5-5. Now, does God who made us for this very purpose, this dwelling with God,

and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is the same thing we were talking about. Yeah, he talked about that day. Way better than the lottery. And sorry, Zach. But then he's like, verse 11, since then we know, because we're all going to stand before judgment seat of God. We try to persuade men.

And then he brings up this new creation somewhere in there. He says, Oh, yeah, it's that whole, the rest of that text. Oh, yeah, they're in verse 16, 516. So from now on, we regard no one from a worldly point. point of view, though we once regarded Christ in this way. What's he talking about? Just the old world.

Oh, Jesus, yeah, he was a man. He did a few things. You know, he was from Nazareth. We do so no longer. Therefore, if anyone in Christ, well, he is a new creation. And then it says, the old is gone, the new has come. All this is from God who reconciled to us, us to himself. through Christ gave us this ministry of reconciliation.

Here's the verse I'm trying to get to. This is the going forward, yeah. That God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them and giving us this message. So it's this new creation in this world that God's reconciling, which is why I brought up the rich young ruler. Well, then, Jay, you left out the best verse, the 21, the caper, when he says, God, he who had no sin, became sin for us.

I mean, that's exactly how it happened. And that's, you know, he also says that in Romans, where he's like, he came in the form of sinful flesh, you know, which is he became a man. Yeah. But he didn't sin. Right. And then died for the ones, all the rest, who did. So that, and, you know, I was given that illustration over this little transaction,

but that's powerful. Yeah. You just unleashed that to a human. All of a sudden, he's like, it got bigger. It got, oh, I'm a human. The creator did this for me. In the moment, I probably should have started thinking about the power. And he did it in love, which is John 15's point.

I guess we should read it. But that's going to make us go back to those podcasts that we did. Where in John 13, when he focused on John 11 at the resurrection, Yeah. Because love is forever because God is love. Right. So that's why when you get in that First John 416 or whatever, when it says we rely on God's love, just think about that.

Yeah. Because God is love. Well, we rely on that. Yeah. I think that makes it more powerful because when you think about how do we get through life, well, we're relying on God's love. And you notice, Joseph, that in these texts, and John, it just jumped off the page at me, all the different fruits of the Spirit that Jesus talks about with his disciples, love being the first,

and joy. It's going to be in verse 11 here, peace. You know, all those things you see are not our fruit. It's the fruit of the Holy Spirit through us, which is going to talk about that. And I think the greatest is love, you know, to quote 1 Corinthians 13, because that is the why, why he did all this. And so I think we'll see that as we go through John 15. I'm going to read the first 11 verses, and we'll probably be here for a minute,

because there's so much good stuff, because there's some Old Testament stuff we're going to look into that really enhance this. We've kind of been doing this in every one of these chapters because it's been there the whole time. So let me read the first 11, and then we'll go from there. I am the True Vine, and my father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit. While every branch that does bear fruit, he prunes or cleans is another version of that word.

The Greek word means either. So you just kind of imagine if you were like doing a grate. Then when they do the grapes, they prune, they cut things off, they lift them up. The vines are growing. That's kind of the picture. But before you keep reading, no, just think about this. if you go back to John 1-1, in the beginning was the word, words with God, to his audience here,

when you say in the beginning, everybody's going back to Genesis 1, 2, and 3. Well, when he says the father is the gardener, this is not just an illustration. I think for years in my Christian faith, I'm like, oh, he's using a little illustration about a mine. Oh, no.

This was purposeful. Yeah. Because when you're talking about creation, the father... He literally is the garden. Created the garden. And he is the gardener. And he created it.

And now Jesus is making a new creation. Right. Where the gardener... That's why all this stuff is not accidental. Even when this little line, when Mary, remember she was at the tomb and she saw Jesus and thinking he was the gardener. I mean,

you think John's just throwing that statement in. We have this statement here. The father is the gardener. So this idea of the temple, you know, where God and humans meet, be in this picture of the garden, where God and the father met with humans in the beginning of the creation. I think this is all important to understanding what he's going to say. And it's another huge I-M statement because he then says about himself,

out of the gardener, I am the true vine. Everything grows out of me, which is... Or the tree, you know, and you think you have the tree, so you have the tree of life, which we talked about in the garden, and you have the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which is where the evil one comes in and now sees an opportunity to create a world in which he is in control of, with humans, which is what happened.

Right. All right, so prunes or cleans so that it will, and cleans he's going to say again, so it's probably what was meant here, so that it will be even more fruitful. In other words, that's why you clean it, that's why you prune it. Then he says, same Greek word here, you are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. So it says that to the disciples. And I do think that refers back to John 13 when he watched the disciples. people's feet.

Remember when he said, Peter says, well, wash my whole body. Yeah, Jesus answered, because Peter said, you shall never wash my feet. And Jesus said, unless I wash you, you have no part with me. But now, look, the reason this gets confusing is he's forecasting what he's fixed to do in his death umbrella and resurrection. Correct. That's why this is hard to wrap your head around. because and you said, well, how do you know that?

Because John 133 says, Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power and that he had come from God and he was returning to God. So he got up in verse 1. He's basically fixed to show them the full expression, the full end, the completion, whatever. whatever English word you want to do for that, of his love. Yeah.

Which is why he came. Right. So then he gets into this cleaning part because he actually says clean when he says verse 10 of 13. A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet. His whole body is clean. Right. And you are clean, though not every one of you.

And he talked about Judas. Because I think he knew their hearts. Obviously. And he's knowing what he's fixed to do. He's knowing how this is all going to play out. And so that's kind of continuing the narrative. And he hasn't told him about the Holy Spirit, which is what he's doing here. Right.

Verse four, remain in me and I will remain in you. There's that in you again. No branch can bear fruit by itself. It must remain in the vine. Which is pretty self-explanatory. Yeah. If you go out into the forest or into a vineyard and a branch has detached itself from the tree, it's not good for that branch.

No. This is not like something you have trouble relating to. The only thing that that's good for now is starting a fire. And because it gives you a picture of something that's a lie, a tree that's growing. But once the branch breaks off or storm, whatever, it's now dead. Right. It's not going to do anything but deteriorate. Exactly.

So then he says, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me, to your point. verse five he says again i'm the vine you are the branches so now he's extended this idea which is a very powerful statement because now you're you're in me you're part of me this is getting so intimate as a tree with branches right i mean and inseparable to grow right if a man remains in me and i in him he will bear much fruit apart from me you can do nothing so he keeps making that clarity. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers. Such branches are picked up and thrown in the fire and burned, as we just said. If you remain in me, he just, how many times? By the way, this abide is another word, this remain, 10 times in these

11 words. And I bet you if you counted the ifs, it would be about the same. There's a lot of ifs. A lot of yes. If you remain in me, verse seven, and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it will be given you. This is to my father's glory that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. So we talked about that looking different, this world we're in. As the father has loved me, so have I love you. Now remain in my love. There's that abide again. If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love.

just as I have obeyed my father's commands and remain in his life. I have told you this, and I love this, so that your joy, so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. And I love the idea.

There's another fruit of the spirit, but he goes back to joy in the midst of this discussion about he's about to die. This whole thing has been, you know, hey, I know this is bad, you know, I'm going to prepare. You know, the whole thing has been

like a comforting speech, and now he brings joy into it. Well, you think about that Galatians 5 passage where he gives the fruit of the spirit, and it is his fruit to produce and not ours, and I love this picture of the vine, because the condition here of the fruit production is that you remain connected to Christ. So once the vine gets cut off, if you don't remain connected to the source, then obviously that's going to wither up and die because there's not going to be any way, there's not going to be any energy or food or anything going into that particular plant, which would be us in this case, and so it withers up and dies. So the fruit production,

like, and joy is one of those, you don't just conjure up joy. I saw somebody put this on Instagram recently, that joy is a choice. And that's not really true. I depend on what you mean by that. Like, you don't, if you're in a horrible place in your life and someone just says, well, choose joy, I mean, you can't, what does it even mean? Like, you know, or I'm anxious, I have anxiety. Well, you just, the Bible says, don't worry, don't worry, okay, don't worry. Like, how do you choose not to. We tend to, it's like for years, I read the parable of the sewer, and I had it detached

from this idea, this is the new garden. Right. The new garden is that we're growing in God with God. with God. It's not a, oh, he did this for me, so now I got to go out and do this stuff. We're not the fruit bear some fruit. No, no, we're together. He's in me. But what you want is you want the quick fix. Like, what we want to say is that I have anxiety and I want you to tell me the hack, the life hack to where I can just flip a switch and the, oh, now I've chosen not to be anxious. Well, it doesn't work that way for anybody. And so I think

what you're seeing here is that the fruit production, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control, all the stuff in Galatians 5, all of that, all of that fruit is a byproduct of abiding in Christ, that long obedience in the same direction. And the reason why we don't like that is because that's a little bit more hard to box in. I don't have the control anymore. So I can't go out there and live autonomously on my own doing what I want do and then conjure up the fruit of the spirit when I wanted. It does not work that way. The fruit of the spirit comes from abiding in Christ, living, living, living with him. Long obedience, same direction. But he's also saying, I'm giving you my spirit. Right. Which is now...

Without measure. Without measure, as you mentioned in the last podcast, which that's interesting because then if you think about the fruit of the spirit and you think, man, how much of this fruit could I actually experience? How much joy could I really have? How much peace and patience and kindness and gentleness and self-control? And how much of that could I really possess in my life and yield in my life? Well, the answer is it's an infinite amount because you have unbridled access. He's given you the spirit without measure. The reason why we don't manifest more of that is not because he hasn't given it to us. It's because we're quenching it. And we're taking that vine and we got our hands around that vine and we're just kind of quenching down on it because we're like, I don't know if I

want to yield that much control over to you. But as you let go and you yield control over to the Holy Spirit, that's when these things start to manifest themselves in your life in greater measure to the degree that you submit. And so much so that even James, who was the early leader of the church, and scholars believe, and so do I, that it was Jesus' brother, who didn't believe in him when he was doing his ministry. But then once he was resurrected, did and was in that upper room. He said about joy, even when you go through difficulty in trials, all it's doing is helping you persevere.

People can even find joy in those worst of times, like you were mentioning is that. And because of that accruing fruit bear, you know, that's coming through your life. For me, I know we're almost that. for me, the reason why I've been able to experience joy in the times that are difficult is because you could also become bitter. You become bitter when you refuse to realize I don't have that much control.

But in times of my life when it has been chaotic, and I've kind of moved into the opposite position where it's like, well, I don't have a lot of control here. It kind of not forces me, but it really strongly encourages me to, to, to, to, admit myself in a posture of I'm, I can't figure this out. I made a mess of this. Like when you sell your wife's heirloom. That'll humble you, right? Or when you dream about a billion, $1.4 billion.

All right. So we're out of time. We'll pick it up next time. We led right up to the, we're going to go back in the next podcast and look at Psalm 80 and some of the things that kind of show how powerful this is. So we'll do that next time. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple Podcasts.

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