Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1163 | How to Bring the Light of Truth into Dark Places

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

In this episode: John 15, verses 1–27; 1 John 2, verses 15–17; John 3, verses 16–21; Ephesians 5, verses 10–14; Hebrews 12; Galatians 4; Genesis 3 Chapters: 00:00–2:48 A Prayer For Charlie Kirk’s Family 02:49–15:35 Christian Graduates From the Kids’ Table 15:36– 39:20 Sin Thrives in Darkness, Bring the Light 39:21–51:30 A War of the Worlds 51:31–59:13 The ‘Common Grace’ of God -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So welcome to the Edashamed podcast. We're going to do something a little different today. We pre-recorded this episode, but we wanted to step in and offer up our condolences on a day like this, 9-11, but also the loss of Charlie Kurt yesterday. And I don't want to call it a tragic loss. I mean, this was a heinous crime against humanity. And our hearts are absolutely broken. And so we're in prayer for Erica, his wife, and for his beautiful children, anybody that has seen. the pictures of his family. I mean, all of our hearts are broken, right? But we just want to acknowledge right here that we are mourning, that we are heartbroken, and we don't have a lot of words to make sense of it. We do believe that the God is sovereign. We do believe that King Jesus still reigns, and we believe that Charlie is at rest with Jesus right now. And so I'm just going to offer up a prayer before we get into the pre-recorded episode that was recorded before the events that happened.

but I'm going to offer up a prayer for his family. And I would encourage you guys just to get on your knees today and do the same. And so if you would, just say, let's just spend a moment in prayer. And you guys can bow with me and pray. Lord Jesus, we, our hearts are heavy. We saw the events yesterday. And this one hits close to home, God. We do pray, God, for the entire Kirk family.

We pray for Erica this morning today. God as she is without a husband now, God. And we pray for her children. We pray for our country, Lord. We pray the justice will be served. We pray, God, that the perpetrator of this crime will be caught and brought to justice, God. But we also are thankful for Charlie's work. We're thankful for the bold stand that he took, Lord, in this country and on the front lines of a lot of big cultural issues, God. And so we're thankful for what he did, God. We know that his, that his service to you will not end here, God, but it's only the beginning, Lord. We pray for a new generation to rise up, Lord. We pray, God, that we would be a people of peace, God, that we'd be a people who

would just desire to see the consummation of your kingdom, Lord. It stays like the day when we do realize, God, that the fullness of your kingdom is not yet fully come. And there is a real evil in the world, God. So, Lord, would you protect us, God? Would you give us a perspective? And, God, would you help us to taste your presence, Lord? And, and, would you help us to taste your presence, Lord, and would Erica and the family, would they be able to taste your presence today, Lord? Would you give them the peace that surpasses all understanding, Lord? Because that's what's needed right now. And Lord, we ask this in the name of your precious son, Jesus.

Amen. I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. We've got a guest on today, Christian Huff. Thanks for having me. Happy to be here. It's funny because Christian days, we just had been doing a lot of our Hillsdale podcast.

Zach was in town, which is weird because he was literally sitting across the table yesterday. Now he's back in this little box in North Carolina. I got home back. He was here yesterday. He was here the last two days. There you go. Did you blow the horn when you went by my house? I did.

I honked it. I never even came down to y'all's area. Well, I went to Willie's house for lunch on Sunday because he made. made a pot roast, but it was like, I never had pot roast like that before. We don't call it pot roast. What do you call it? Roast. Well, it wasn't even roast.

It was like rib eyes and beef ribs and. Willie always has a different twist. It was good. Willie's cooking is more is more. Yeah, Christian piled his plate up. I mean, he was, I bet he'd knocked out. How much does this man eat, Zach? Oh, it was, ow.

It was probably, it was at least 6,000 calories just for lunch. No, it was not. Yes, I was impressed. We went to lunch yesterday. Zach was buying, so we went to the most expensive place. He picked the most expensive place for luncheon. So we did. And Christian was, he wanted to get two entrees, but he held back.

But we did. Jay, so he did the passive aggressive. Well, normally I get this and this, but today I'm only going to get that. I said, you can get two entrees if you want to get two entre. I was asking the lady about two, and I see Zach, start sweating over there and I'll just get one today. He's like the new Trent Langhofer. That's what I call him.

I notice all these guys that work out a lot. They eat a lot. Yeah. A lot of meat. Like I told Christian, I was doing the same diet as him. I just missed the working out part. So I just got fat. It's just all of mine's settled right in the front because it just, it didn't look near like

yours. Well, I wasn't even here. I was in California. I know. And I want to hear about that. You know? You went into it. a notoriously blue state.

There's a lot of good people out there. I did it for the kingdom. That's what I did. I'm going to Oregon next week. Kept saying, you know this is going to be difficult because this is in a rural part of California. It's hard to get to.

It's hard to leave, Louisiana. I've been exactly where you went. One row. I mean, we had delays. You got time difference. Four hour layovers. Oh, boy. Two of the flights were four hours long.

No screen. So that was good. A lot of Bible study. And the day, just I left at 4 o'clock in the morning, got back to the hotel after the event. My time, 11.30. So, you know, I just wouldn't end. Then we get back up at 4. Here we go again.

But having said all that, you know what the first thing someone said to me when I arrived on campus? because they sold out the tickets, and then the demand of the crowd. I mean, they're in California, cutting edge of what it means to be a disciple of Jesus, surrounded by problems. They actually got another venue and continued a bigger venue. Really?

Yep, the biggest place around there, which it was a church. You got upgraded. It was a church building. And look, you know what the name of the church building was? Adventure Church. Adventure church. That's exciting. It was an adventure.

Look, it used to be a bowling alley. Wow. I mean, think California. The people that are following Jesus, they're literally taking bowling alleys and turned it into presence of the God. And you were on an adventure. Yeah, presence of God. So, no, it was good, but the first comment when I got out, they said, do you know what this place is known for?

First question. Hey, how are you doing? You know, I'm Jay. Where are we headed? Brogan. No, they said, you know what it's known for? And I was like, what? Olling.

Chickens. A lot of chickens. Oh, gosh. I told you about the chicken, fuck. What was it, the red fowl? I started to rub my hands together. I said, you've been staring at him. He said, you know what?

You had a point. Jay says rabbit holes. Somebody has rewarded the rabbit holes, right? So then we did a little meet and greet, and people were just filled with emotion. It was one of the strangest meet and greets. The first guy stepped up there, big, burly guy, came out of the military, following Jesus, burst into tears. First guy. Because the podcast, or about that, or what was?

He just, all of the above. He's like, I can't believe you came to California, which was the theme of the night. Yep. Which is why we go, I mean, literally that's why you go. Christian school, there's not another Christian school for miles around. They're persecuted. They're, you know, but it's in a place where duck hunting. Yeah.

So my dad, I didn't realize this, but my dad and I did an event in that town, Yuba City, 25, 30 years ago. I bet, but it was 30. We did a little tour and we would go duck hunting. And a lot of the people at that event came to the Lord when we came. through there 25 third year so that was another reason for all the tears yeah and boy it just it was good yeah i mean the event was good i had this whole thing prepared about because they wanted me to talk about a christian education yeah and everybody was in tuxedoes and suits but me did you

have on your dress camo at least i have my unashamed shirt okay and i had this hat on Yeah. Which has the gospel symbols on it. It does. And so... It's not too dirty, so it's good. I had prepared all this kind of education angle. Because I did the whole thing about the word became flesh, and did God really say,

all you all you're studying with Genesis, you know, even in creation. And God said, I was going to do all this about knowledge versus the word becoming flesh. Jesus becoming our wisdom. That was the angle. But the more half the people in the line asked me what these symbols were. So somewhere I thought, if they're asking me what these symbols are,

I think I need to go in a different direction. And so I basically summed up the education segment with Jesus makes you very smart. And I just basically shared Jesus for 30 minutes, you know. But I also judged a duck calling contest, which was hilarious. They picked 10 random people, and they had bought 10 duck calls. And they, I was surprised the courage that they got on stage. And I judged, I showed them, here's how you do this.

So the first thing I did was pick up that ringer and just went about 50 notes as loud and as hard as I could. Like you did here. And it was the biggest applause I got. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, why are you applauding? Ducks don't do that. And so then I did the little duck sounds, and then they did. So I'll tell you how it went.

Two out of the ten tried to blow the duck call from the wrong end, which was hilarious. They were looking like, there's something wrong with this duck call. And I said, turn it around. So one guy was decent. He won. Yeah. And so then they did an auction for desserts to raise money for the school, which I thought was interesting. And somebody had cooked Miss Kay's apple pie from the recipe in her cookbook, and it went for $500.

I can't wait to tell her. That's awesome. Miss Kay, did you ever think you would be on the planet? And somebody just used your recipe. you didn't even cook it. Yeah. And somebody bought that for $500. That was the second most.

They had some cake that looked like a small building. Yeah. With seven different chocolate components to it. And it went for a thousand. Wow. And even the auctioneer, he's like... Did you have any dessert? No, but, you know, I was fixed to speak.

But it's so funny. He was like going through all the lava, that was in all the different chocolates, and he's like, this will 100% guarantee early diabetes. Let's start the bidding. That's what I thought. This is the most spectacular cake I've ever seen in my life.

But it was really fun. Then I shared Jesus, and I think it was good. I think you'll see the needle be a move there. Yeah. I'm glad you went. Christian, we're glad to have me on the podcast. We're doing, we're in Genesis and Exodus.

It's eventually where we're going after that for Hillstale. So we've had a really good study doing that together, which has been really good. And so we were getting ready to record today, and Christian was on the way out, his way out the door. And I said, well, he said, what are you all studying tomorrow? Because I say, I've got to come back tomorrow and you've got to do it regular under the shame. He said, what are you all studying?

And I said, we're in John 15. He said, that's my favorite chapter in the Bible. And it has my favorite verse. And I was like, oh, why don't you come join us? Now that you've moved up from the kids table at Thanksgiving, you're at the big table, man. I appreciate it. Well, when you introduced me as a guest, I kind of felt like John 15, you know, 15 when it says, I know they're going to call you slaves because the master doesn't confide in his slaves,

but now you are my friends. So I kind of felt like going from the kids table, you know. To the friend table. I'm at the friendship level. He's at the friendship level. I'm glad y'all told me this because I thought it was kind of like the show you used to watch all the time. Oh, yeah. I just thought he was walking by, opened the door, because I heard nothing that you were going

be here, and you sat out. And I was like, you're the Kramer of this. We can't really fire you because we're unaware of it, too. So it's only a few people knew I was coming. Well, he is on the, he's unashamed Hillsdale. So he is on that episode. He is officially on the part of the, umashamed family. So he's part of the family now.

And John Luke as well. And John Luke has, man, he hadn't been around Luke in a while. Because he's kind of nerdy, you know how he is, but he's also sneaky, funny. And, like, he's, they're strange. Strange. He's a strange man. But he's perfect. Yeah, he's perfect for the podcast.

Which is not necessarily bad. No, it's good. Weird. Like, Dad, you used to say, the good thing about being around here, if you're weird, weird is in. Yeah. So, we're in John 15. Tell us your favorite verse, Christian. So my favorite verse of John 15, yeah, John 155, I feel.

like this was a verse for me when I was in college, kind of coming out of my more so wild years. And so John 155 says, I am the vine, you are the branches, those who remain in me, and I and them will produce much fruit for apart from me. You can do nothing. And I love to talk about that idea of fruit, because, you know, as believers, there's things that mark you. And if you look at Galatians 5, there's acts of the sinful nature, then there's fruits of the spirit. And for my life for a while, it was marked by the sinful nature. It was marked by all these certain things that weren't producing, you know, positive, godly things, even though I was involved in church and all those things. And for me, you know, I think you can be in church, you can, you know, do the Bible studies,

you can do all the things. But if you're not truly abiding in Christ, then you aren't going to bear the fruit like it talks about. And I thought that that last part, the, apart from me, you can do nothing. And just thinking about times in my life where I tried to, you know, tried to produce fruit within my own strength. I tried to be more patient. I tried to have more self-control. And it's really hard to do all those things without the spirit. Right. And when you truly encounter the Holy Spirit and he dwells in you, like we talked about the temple, a lot of temple motifs here lately, Zach. And yeah, if you're in dwelt with that, you know, through confession, through repentance, producing that fruit like what John 15 talks about, it becomes a lot more natural than if you try to do it yourself.

I think you're right on target. Apart from him, I could do nothing. We're right in the middle of the discussion about the Holy Spirit. I mean, John is, you know, Jesus is making the point you just made. And really, it's the longest, most extended conversation about the Holy Spirit in the whole Bible, really. If you think about it. I mean, these three chapters. And really, you could even make sense.

as well when he praised that prayer. So I think you're right on target. That's exactly what... I mean, maybe First John, which... All of a sudden now, we're looking like geniuses for saying we're going to go from John to First John. Because I keep going to First John. It's the same language, but it really is about the Holy Spirit living in you.

And you think about it just, it makes perfect sense. that John, now, if we've fast forwarded, probably, probably, I mean, depending on those, what scholars you listen to, at least 40 years in the future, but maybe even 50 or 60 years, because he lived the oldest of, you know, because he didn't, he wasn't martyed like the rest were. Even he was martyred, but he wasn't killed. And, but he, I mean, so imagine him being at the end of his life having this look back of discussion.

That's why there's so much wisdom in first. second, third job. I mean, no doubt about it. Exactly. Well, I went down a rabbit hole about three days ago, and I just came out. I feel like I've been newborn here. Seriously. Were you in California on your rabbit? No, now, in California, they call them bunny trails. Bunny trails. Did they really? No, it just came out. I've heard say that. I figured on the edges of America, they probably call them bunny trails. I don't know where they came from. But that sounds too fluffy, right?

A rabbit hole sounds a much more dangerous. I like the rabbit. You know, it actually scared me because I started this on that four-hour flight, and I didn't write anything down, but I just noticed something, from going to John to 1st John. So I'm going to recommend everyone do this at some point of their life. So the next time you get, you know, a couple weeks downtime. because it would probably take that long to do this.

But because when we get to this section about when he says, if the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. When you read first, John, the world, this term world keeps coming up. Yep. And so my rabbit trail was I read everywhere where world is used. What I found fascinating? Because you'd think, well, we all know what that means. of the world.

But just think about how we express that. We use that word in various ways. Many ways. You know, because we'll say, like, well, in the duck hunting world. Yeah. Well, what are we talking about? Like, the world of duck hunting. And so that was kind of my thinking.

I was like, I want to make sure, why does he keep bringing this up? Which I counted, 79 times in John, just John. Wow. The word world is used. And the most famous one is, For God so love the world. God so love the world. Right.

What I found fascinating is there's about five themes that emerged. And I didn't write it down. Are you saying five different worlds? No, just like, that's one. One is God loved the world. Okay. That comes up a couple times. He didn't come into the world.

To condemn it. Even judge it one time. But you save it. Even think about when John the Baptist said, look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. So that's another little theme in there. He came to deal with sin. But another theme that comes up is he keeps referring to the evil one as the ruler of this world. Yeah, the prince of this world.

And another theme is that he came to bring light to this world. So there are others. But it's like once I read them all, you kind of see two worlds emerged. Now, there's different ways you could use it. But it's like, and when you read all the verses in First John about it, it continues this theme. Yeah. And so just to give you a forensic. Because he said, what was it, First John 2.15, do not love the word?

Well, that's what I was going to read. Yeah. I want to read that. See, our minds work, Chris, and see, this is what I was. Well, Al, because, look, I don't know if you realize this, but in 1st John 3, he says the same thing about if the world hates you. Yeah. He brings that up, almost to the word.

Yeah. So when you. Yeah, when that love one another section from a love. What I found fascinating is just to show you how this rabbit hole unfold. Look, I'm very excited about this. I'm going to spend the next month. Just point to me, and I'm going to say, look, there's a clash of worlds. The war of the worlds.

It is a war of the world. Because mainly two worlds emerge. And I'm going to be very careful on how I word this. Because what I noticed is a lot of, as I went down this rabbit hole, I see where a lot of people took some of these things and kind of made their own religious doctrine out of it. And that's why it was so helpful to read all the work, all the verses, everywhere it was mentioned.

Because those same themes kept being the point. And I'm like, so once you get away from that, look, you're on your own. But that's what we do. You read a version, it seems to imply one thing. And really the reason I did this is because when we read later on in John 15 when he says if I hadn't come

they wouldn't be guilty of their sin and where's that work before I read the first John 2 I want to read that it's a very difficult verse I was like what what is this about you know? John 15 21 22

yeah since I'm just introducing this concept today but you know why this happened because you you the reason this rabbit hole was so expansive is because you were seven miles above the earth when you started this process yeah so that's what happened you really close to something far away from here that's another world are you sleep deprived i am punch drunk we've been doing this for four days well i mean look look you can see why i mean let me just read this because i think first John 2, what I'm going to read, will make more impact on you if I read this. So when he gets

to 18, I mean, this is right after verse 17, says, this is my command to Christians point. Love each other. Right. It's a fruit of the spirit. Yep. And then it says, if the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, and that word belonged is actually, I look this up because I, among this rabbit trail, I really want to get a handle of what does he mean here by the world. But Belongs not in there. It's more just of the world. Jesus came in the world, but then he says on multiple occasions, I'm not of the world.

I'm in the world, but I'm not of the world. Paul said the same thing. Yeah, exactly. But that key little phrase is going to mean a lot as we continue this as it goes on. If you belong to the world or if you're of the world, it would love you as. as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world. But I've chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Are you seeing why I went? I was like, whatever the world is, we need to figure that out. What in the world? Yeah. And then he calls back to what you just

read jokingly. Remember the words I spoke to you. No servant is greater than his master. He had just said that in, what was that? Yeah, back in 13. Yeah, in 13. Yeah, when you talked about serving. Yeah. If they obey my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Well, that was perplexing to me.

I thought, what kind of statement is that? They were guilty of sin, but he's now somehow. saying that my presence on the earth has made them guilty of sin. So at first, you're like, what does that mean? Do you all want to opine? Because there is a clear answer to why he would say that. It is very clear. But I just, do you want to try it?

When you say it like that, it makes it too risky. You've already got the answer. I'm saying you ought to embarrass yourself. Yeah, so I mean, I'm not going to... Come on, Zay, go for it. I'll like Christian go for it so you could... Well, I gave you the answer earlier, which is one of the themes is that he is the light of the world.

Right after John 316, all of a sudden, he says, I didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it. And then he's like... So you're saying, if you don't... The people love the darkness? Yeah, if you don't realize you're in darkness. The light... See, the light has a...

You know, because you think, Well, what is the Greek word for world? Do you all know? I don't. Cosmos. Yes, that's something we actually know what that means. Yeah. Well, if you just do a little Google search and define cosmos,

you will find all you need to know that's very biblical, because it's like, well, it's this revealing of everything, you know, light into dark. I mean. So I just saw just a snippet as I was channel surfing last night of a movie. It's called Pitch Black. Remember Ben Diesel was in it? Yep.

And there was, the scene I saw is so funny because it illustrates this perfectly what Jay's talking about because like all of a sudden a light comes on and there's like these monsters, these creatures all around this person. But until that light went off, you didn't know they were there. And then all of a sudden it's like. as soon as you saw that lie, it was like, oh, because this person had, you know, 50 monsters within touching distance of the thing.

It was a very frightening scene. I thought, ooh, that looks bad and kept going. But that's exactly what this is. Yeah, it's like the fundamental meaning of cosmos is linked to order, harmony, structure, standing in contrast to chaos. The entire universe emphasizes and it's complex and unified nature.

It's also... That's Cosmos definition. Yeah, but there's something about color in there, recognizing, seeing it as... Yeah. Like, you're... And the concept of light is kind of under that because it's like...

It's the visible... Yeah. And invisible understanding of what this order is that you're now in. structure. So you're like, and now we also believe that that just came from nothing. I mean, even the word, just defining the word, leads you to some kind of intelligent design, whether you believe it or not. I mean, I just read you the definition. Where did the

order and structure and where did that all come from? Yeah. So, but anyway, so to answer to the question about why would he say that they wouldn't be guilty, this is, this is, this is, this is amazing and we went through John 1 but I didn't notice this little little caveat verse so in verse 3 he says through him all things were made so what is the cosmos now he doesn't the word the word world is not in that verse 3 but you're understanding that okay he made everything and it says nothing was made without him nothing was made made that has been made. It's pretty much everything.

And the reason I'm reading that is because watch, in verse four, it says in him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. But I think us as Christians, we're thinking, oh, well, that's the people that accept him, that he was the light, well, the ones that accepted. But verse 9 says the true light, he was talking about John the Baptist who was at the light, but he said he was just pointing to the real light. And so then verse 9, speaking of Jesus, the true light that gives light to every man.

And look, the same word every, I looked it up in the Greek, is the same word that he just said in verse 3, all things. Yeah. So people say, every man, every man, the true light that gives light to every man was coming in, you see that? Coming into the world, the cosmos. So you're like, well, how does that work? Because it exposes, whether you embrace him or not, it exposes where you're at.

Jesus is the standard, the light. It's like a big flashlight from God, and we know your heart. Which is why he could say that he didn't come to convict but to save. Exactly. Because that's what light does. See what I'm saying? I mean, it's in its purity. He's saying if you're lost, if you don't know me, then that's on you now because here I am.

Well, see, that's why 319 says this is the judgment. Yep. light has come into the world, but men love darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. It kind of goes back to the garden. What's the first thing when the evil one comes up, who's now become the prince of this world, the ruler, it's the first thing they do. Well, they run and hide and try to cover up because now they've been exposed. It says they realize they were naked.

Yeah. it's like the light bulb went off yeah and they looked down and thought well because now you have this knowledge of good and evil and you couldn't handle that right so so then it says 320 everyone who

does evil hates the light which is that's the same verbage that he's using now in john 15 well the world's going to hate you here yeah you why because you're as the father sent me Jesus would say I'm

sending you when you get to John 17, which is another theme that came out of this world, because he sent Jesus into the world. But then he turns around after introducing the Holy Spirit, and he's like, now I'm sending you. That's why the world's going to hate you because it hated me. You're exposing men's evil behavior, which John 3 continues to say. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light so that it may be seen plainly what he has done has been done through God

which gets back to you apart from me you can do nothing well also too if you read Ephesians 5 10 through 14 carefully determine what pleases the Lord take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness instead expose them it is shameful even to talk about the things

that ungodly people do in secret but their evil intentions will be exposed when the light shies on them for the light makes everything visible. Yeah. Exactly. Everything visible. So that's why he makes that statement that doesn't seem to make sense.

But no, he then continues in John 15, which I didn't read all of that, where he says, you know, if I hadn't came and spoken, you would be guilty of sin. Then the next sentence, now, however, they have no excuse for their sin. he's here he's revealed this is what god is like these are the expectations i've demonstrated it he who hates me hates my father as well if i had not done among them what no one else did they would not be guilty of sin but now they have seen these miracles and yet they have hated both me and my father i just think it's such a interesting concept because we tend to think, oh, well, we're saying he came down, he's going to do something

about it. Yeah. Well, the first thing he did was expose it and give you an opportunity to move on it. Right. Because he's like, now you have no excuse. I'm here. I did what I did. And you can't go too far on this earth without encountering somebody that Jesus is Lord. Just think about it. Oh, yeah. Even the people, what were all the missions that we do? We're sending people over to these third of world countries, and it's all being exposed. That's kind of what we're doing now, which I find fascinating.

Well, you got the two different worlds here, another way of saying two different kingdoms, right? You have the kingdom of God, and then you have the kingdom of man, and inside the kingdom of man, there's a lot of little kingdoms. Like, I've got my own little personal kingdom. um, Thacks kingdom, you know, my house, my family, uh, my domain. And the difference, when you think about the separation of that, that was something that happened at the fall. So it happened in

Genesis chapter three when they ate the fruit that they weren't supposed to eat of. And then that was the moment when the world's separated or, you know, when, when God's world, which you could call the sacred world was, uh, then separated and they, and this new thing happened called the secular world. So there was a divide of the secular and the sacred. So one of the things that you're seeing here that's exposed in the text is that the secular world, it cannot please God. And so that's why it because the reason why is because it hates God. It doesn't want to commune with the world that God made with him. It's an autonomous. I'm on my own. I'm doing this by myself. And I think what we're going through Exodus, or we're going to be going through Exodus

in the Unashamed Hillside on Fridays. And what you're going to see in there is that the problem was that Israel was trying to continue to do the thing on their own. And they could never fulfill the law in their own righteousness. They continue to fall in their face time and time and time again over and over. They're rejected God. He does something amazing, overwhelms them with his glory. they're in it for a minute, but then they're out. And they're in it for a minute, then they're out. And it's just, you know, this isn't going to work. So by the time you get here,

this is like at the end of kind of their whole history because the way that the Hebrew Bible ends is like, you got an issue. He needed a temple. And Cyrus is like, I'm going to build you a temple. Jesus shows up on the scene. And his point here is that he is going to send us a helper helper to reunite these worlds.

and to Christians point at the beginning of the podcast, he went to Galatians 5 and mentioned the fruit of the spirit. The thing about the fruit, though, is that it is the fruit of the spirit. So you can't produce the fruit on your own. That's the problem, because you're in the world, and the world hates God. The world just hates God.

It doesn't want to eat the fruit with God. So it has a different kind of fruit that it's yielding, and it's not the fruit of the spirit. the only way you're going to get the fruit of the spirit is to actually be in the spirit. So I think that's how Jesus is setting this whole thing up. And it's really kind of the most important part of his ministry is that he's sending us the Holy Spirit after his departure. Yeah. Well, going through Exodus, and you just kind of talked about it with the two worlds.

We've been talking about, you know, Zion and Sinai. and that, you know, those two mountains. And I cannot remember what, what scripture we were talking about. Were you, I think maybe it was Paul. I was talking about it that you saw the contrast between. Galaises 4. Glazes 4 or Sinai and Hebrews. Hebrews 12.

Yeah, it gives you both of those pictures. And what's interesting is, and people miss it, this is such a good point about the idea about, because even today, they'll say, well, you know, I just, you know, I know my life's just not in a good place. And they'll say, you know, I've started trying to read my Bible more. And, you know, I started going back to church. And, you know, they'll tell you the things they're doing to then somehow have a better life.

And immediately, my thought process is if the Holy Spirit's not driving this, if it's not in you, if the light's not there, then you can do all the ancillary things you want to do. It's not going to change. I mean, like, you'll feel a little better. But it doesn't change you. it doesn't you're still in the wrong world but what do we typically do though we typically say I'm gonna I just gotta love better I gotta love more I gotta love more I gotta be patient I gotta do I gotta do we actually take the fruit of the spirit and we turned it into a work and then we think that it's something we have to conjure up yeah and then we try to conjure it up but you can't and then at the underneath it all you realize this is a big like virtue signal yeah I don't actually possess these things I don't have this fruit I'm acting like I had this fruit but I don't have it and then what happens like in a marriage for example, I'm just going to love my wife. I'm going to muster up and do it. And then all of a sudden, your real emotion or desire or affectionate always boils out, always bubbles to the top. And you're like,

where did that come from? Well, that's what, that's what's actually in your heart. So how do I get out of that? I don't want that in me. Well, that's when you submit to the spirit. And that is where I think the rhythms of life and the training, the Bible says, the maturehood by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. What does that mean? Well, that's being led by the spirit. By constant use, the spirit will train us, what we're training ourselves by submission to him to be able to look at what is true and what is not true,

what is good and what is evil. And as you get in that rhythm over and over and over again, you're led by the spirit, you actually start to see your affections change because you actually see the lie of the evil and coming in. And you're like, wait, that's evil. That's gross. I don't want that.

I was going to say, sorry, interrupt you, that before we were, came on, on air to talk. Jay's was talking about a situation where he had to do the right thing. But that comes about because you have the Holy Spirit of God in you. You know what I'm saying?

Like the conviction of doing the right thing is because the spirit is saying, no, that's, don't, don't go there. And part of you, like, wants to do something, but you know, you know, you know in your spirit. Well, because you go back 25 or 30 years ago, maybe that, Jayce would have been like, that's pretty tempting.

It wasn't a temptation, but, you know, a brother in the church asked, you know, or I wouldn't say ask, set a scenario. Implied something. Yeah, that is not right. Yeah. So I did the godly thing, which is ignore it because it was via text. I call it notice and dismiss either. But I will say this. When I do see that person in person, right, I will speak the truth in.

love. Yeah, you would have a conversation. And I'm using my phrase carefully because I think that's what Jesus did. Yes. The light, the reason the light was shining is he was speaking truth in love, which is a common theme of First John, which is where I wanted to get. Which is a really good point that speaking the truth and love is not always a pleasant conversation. Many times it's unpleasant.

It's very difficult because it's a light that shines. I'm going to wait until it's, because text can be. easily misunderstood. Exactly. But when you're looking at a man in the eye, and you're like, we as Jesus people do not do things that the world does. That's right. That's good.

You know, it's funny. I was singing that song we used to sing. I looked at the lyrics to it because there's two different things happening here. You really want to think about if you were just to boil this down, what is the role of the Holy Spirit? it is to draw you into our father's world. And you remember that song we used to sing, this is my father's world?

Yeah. I was just thinking, I was my father's world. That's it. Yeah, hey, that's every right. And to my listening years, all nature sings and round me rings, the music of the spheres,

this is my father's world. I rest me in the thought of rocks and trees, of skies and seas, his hands, the wonders rot. And you read that and you think, man, that is the complete opposite, but it's kind of similar to the sin of the Gentiles that Paul talks about in Galation. I mean, I'm sorry, in Romans 1. Their problem was that they would look at the creation and they worshipped it. Well, in this song, which I think is a beautiful hymn, it wasn't an escape from the physical

world. I rest my thought, he says, of rocks and trees and skies. and sees, but his hands, the wonders, made this. So you're actually seeing it, and you're not just like, you're not escaping it. You're just putting it in the context of, wait a second, my father made this. And I think that leads us into a really embodied spirituality, which is what I think the Lord Jesus is calling us into. True.

But my point is, like, you could also sing that song, is what? my father's world, because a world was created within the world, what you're talking about, rocks and all. That's why I said, the word world is tricky. It's tricky the way we use it, because I'm going to prove to you in 1st John 2. Because he, John writes here, the father washed his hands of what we created in cahoots with the evil one as far as that world. I'm going to read it.

I read this several times over and over. I'd never notice it. Because that's in defense of us, not knowing, something happened in another place that produced this person. Well, and this world. Yeah. But now before, because there's been a few things said from y'all's discussion, that I want to push back on a little bit.

Because even the... Even though we have this world that I'm going to, I'm going to offer as that we created after I read this verse. Because it's like John says, the father had nothing to do with that. I will say, though, there are things that are happening in that world that God is working, and that is moving. And I even believe from people that are not following him. Now, I know we just read apart from me, you can do nothing. but I think when you see a guy, let's say he doesn't believe in Jesus, and he risk his life to save a kid,

you're like, well, where'd that come from? Where'd that kind of love? Because that's an act of love. I mean, we're fixed to define that. Well, you see it all the time. Or let's just say somebody comes up with a vaccine over, where that's saving lives or whatever. Now, are we going to say he just got lucky,

or was God somehow not working in that? So that's a total. a totally different discussion for another day, but I'm saying when you look at it as a whole, if God wasn't working in this world, this is my father's world, in some ways, well, we would already be extinct. Yeah. So. Right.

But. Yeah, remove him out and see what I think. So I think when you read this world that we created, that he's saying it's going to hate you, I think it's still under an umbrella of a general analysis. of the world of sin and death is what I'm getting at. So I tell you, where are you disagreeing with us? Well, I'm disagreeing as in to say the whole thing is complete. There's no God in that world.

You know, he's going to come in. He is working in the world, even though the evil one is the prince of this world. That's, what is that, John 12? Several times. Yeah, we. Second Corinthians four, four, the God of this world. It has blinded the minds of unbelievers. But it's not the, yeah, but I'm not, I don't think we're disagreeing because I'm not saying it's the physical world.

The physical world has been corrupted, but it's not. I'm talking about the, it's the, it's the way that we interact with the physical world. I think I was pushing back when, when you said, it's like the verse you read apart from me, you can do nothing, which is true. But then it kind of got tied to the world. It's like the world has to hate God. Like if you look at that as everybody's hating God, everybody's hating God. Everybody's hating everybody. Well, no, I'm looking around, you know, and I am seeing some glimpses.

I mean, granted, they're rare. But we did talk about that Greek word for hate being loved less as much as. Exactly. I was only pushing back in like making the whole. that like it's completely absent of God. And I think, I think when I read this, it'll explain it. Yeah, you got, there's a term called common grace where essentially is like even the rain, even rains on the reprobate.

They still get the rain and they still get. Our very existence is sustained by God, whether you're evil or not. What verse is that, that common grace? What verse is it? It's not. Oh, you're doing the whole thing where you, okay. Bookshad of that whole thing. Well, I just feel bad.

There actually is a verse that says the rainfalls on both of the years. It is. I thought that's what he was here. If you applied that, honestly, you can't say anything, then because everything you just said, I said, where is that exact verse? No, that's not in the Bible. I was just, I was kidding. What Christy says, is this what you all do on this?

Yeah. Christian, we have to stop Bible study and then put everything into a category. I get it. When you were talking, I was thinking at 1st Corinthians 13 when it talks about love and, you know, a noisy gong or clinging symbol and it says if you don't have love, you are nothing. Yeah.

Which kind of ties into them. Now that I can get on board with. Yeah. Because I do think that is the point. Whenever you see love in any capacity, that came from God. You've been making that point for a few people. I mean, it is absolutely clear to the point

when he said in 1 John 4 or 9 and he's like, this is love. Not that you love God. Yeah, exactly. You're like, well, what? I thought that was the whole goal. I'm supposed to love God. He's like, no, that I loved you and sent my son.

All love originates from God. Right. And you see random acts of love, even though it may not be a voice believer. I mean, you just see that in our world. And I'm like, well, God's working here in some capacity. And Jesus said, that's the main criteria, yeah. He was planning to say the prince of this world, the evil one, has no law. He's a murder.

He's a liar from the beginning. There is no love with him. Well, he said, you will know that you are my disciples by the way you love other people. Well, that's where I'm headed here. That's the main criteria is that you love people. Yeah. Love is a sign that there is a guy. We're out of time. I never even read the first John 2. Never got there.

Can I just read the first John 2? I read it and then we'll pick it up on the next talk. We'll pick it up. So I'll just skip over all the what was leading to this. This is first John 2, 5. No, That's too long. Do not love the world or anything in the world.

What world do we talk about? Well, we don't know now because I didn't have time to say it up. If anyone loves the world, don't miss this. The love of the father, the love of the father is not in him. So we got two worlds here, ones that are loving the father and ones that are loving the world. for everything in the world the cravings of sinful man the lust of his eyes

and the boast in what he has and does here's the key phrase comes not from the father well if it's not coming from the father I thought he created the world he didn't create that world because he's like

that didn't come from me I don't know how else you could apply that comes not from the father but from the world it's like the world created a world Yeah.

The world that God created, created a world where this stuff came out. So then it says, the world and its desires pass away. This thing's, but the man who does the will of God, and I would make a case, is the love of the father. Yeah. And for the father. Lives forever. Yes, forever. Dun, done, done.

All right, we're going to pick it up right there. Christian, you may have to stay around. So where did they come from? So I'm going to make the point. So God entered that world in Jesus. And then he left his Holy Spirit in that world. It's a world within a world. All right.

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