Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1165 | Jase Forms a Battle Plan Against Evil in Our World

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Jase, Al, Zach, and Christian Huff dig into John’s instructions for living a life of truth expressed through love in action—a message that feels more relevant than ever. Jase grades Zach’s duck-calling skills with a surprising verdict. Christian relives the panic he felt when Phil read a distressing Bible verse during his and Sadie’s wedding ceremony, and the guys counsel anyone facing troubles to draw near to God, trusting that He will light the way to the other side. In this episode: John 15; 1 Corinthians 7, verse 28-35; 1 John 3, verses 14–18; Philippians 2, verse 15; John 3, verse 19; John 13, verses 34–35 Chapters: 00:00–14:12 Duck Calling 101 14:13–17:21 Zach’s Duck Calling Gets Graded 17:22–26:00 Living In the World, Not OF the World 26:01–36:25 Love & Truth in Action 36:26–44:46 Troubles Are an Inevitable Part of Love 44:47–57:59 God Reconciles Our Fallen World — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? All right. So welcome back to Unashamed. Christian is still with us. The last, he was so riveted. He was, he was so amazed at what he witnessed in the last podcast he had this day. Well, it's just distractions. Distractions. It's like shooting. You know what? When you duck on, because I've seen you shoot now. which

well we I got a commendeer to help train who is that talking to? He's talking to people off camera I don't know he's I'm sorry I got distracted

I got distracted I've been distracted for 50 minutes it's called the previous podcast you know what it's going back to James remember that bumper sticker you bought that said I'm surrounded by idiot

well I'm trying to read the Bible And Zach's reading the lyrics of songs It just threw you up Yeah and I was like Let me push back a little bit And then he got his feelings hurt And the next thing you know We're all thrilled

I didn't get my feelings hurt I was confused Because you never You said let me push back on that But then you never disagreed with what I said And so I was just clarifying Well I apologize I was being too nice

That's what it was So issue two during the break We had a break in between podcasts And a debate came about. Christian asked, between, I asked if I could blow a duck on, I said, no, I'm not very, I can't blow the hen call because I can't control the back of my tongue. I can't choke the air off.

I've never been able to do it. I mean, I frustrated. For years, I tried to do it. I mean, now you were raised by a man in a family that became the world's most famous duck and I was the oldest son. and could not get it. But I figured it out, you have to have certain physical skills

to do it well that not everybody has. I mean, it's just the way it is. Some people can roll their tongue into a... I can't roll my tongue. I can do that, but I can't control the air in the back. I can blow it up.

So he asked me this question. I'm going to disagree with you. I'm going to push back, but I'll be more blunt now after that episode. No, but you're not correct, you can push back all you won't. I'll push back. And I give you,

I give you, evidence W.E. Phillips. He learned how to be able to call ducks in, but he's not a very good duck caller. Would you agree with me on that? I think he's...

I'm not saying he can't call ducks. He can. And he guides and he does all kinds of things. But he doesn't sound very much like a duck. I'm hijacking the argument. I've taught... I can hear it. I know what it sounds like when it's right. I've attempted to teach thousands of people to blow a duck call. What I'm going to tell

you is not what you're thinking. What I'm saying is what makes learning how to blow a duck call unique is like it's not about physical capabilities or practice. There's something that you do with your body that you've never done before. And it's like if you never do it for the first time,

you're never going to figure it out. But you're saying everybody can do it. Is that what you think? I mean, you think everybody can? It's like riding a Huffington. Everybody can be decent. Like, you brought up W.E. I think he sounds somewhat like a duck.

Kind of like a old scared duck. Because look, just think about this. Not one that's very exciting. Can I illustrate this? You may have this. And Zach says he can blow a duck call. That's where all this is leading to. So look, I lead the, when I do my seminars, I pick this duck call.

Can you blow a call? You see this duck call? I'm not great at it. Okay. Now, the origin of this duck call, we sent for, some samples. We were trying to build a new duck call. We were actually trying to build this, which is

our newest duck call, which I will say, I will go on record. I think... You said this at the... I'm excited about this. I think this is the greatest duck call that we've come up with. Just for people to use

and the sound of it. I mean, I absolutely love... I'm not even sure it's for sale yet. But... Did you pick the color out? I like... I like the That's a Jay Stone. Me and Stone need to have a consultation about color. But I don't fool with colors and all. I don't care.

You know. So, and I love this call. But I don't know what. Fifteen years ago, we were trying to dial this in, which came 15 years later. This was a mistake. And it came, I put a pair of reeds in it, and it became my championship style. Oh, the one you used. do the...

Yeah. I kept it because I'm only going to blow this to say... Ducks don't do that. Ducks don't do it. And don't you ever do it unless you're doing it to say, don't do this. But what's fascinating about the call is it's a good teaching tool to what I'm trying to say. Okay. Because if you don't have the right air in this, it's very drastic how it sounds.

So if I blow in it, listen, it barely will make a sound. I'm putting air in this. This is nothing. This is like a little bogus wagon with a horn. Hey, get out of my way. It's a clown car. It's a clown car. It was Zach's rental car this past week.

Zach just drove that car this week. If you own a car that sounds like this when you blow the horn. I don't own it. I rented one, it was like a Mitsubishi, but it was like a box car. It's all they had left. And then, of course, they accused me being cheated. He was going to start Tokyo drifting. You say, well, blow harder.

I mean, it's barely nothing like a duck. So people say, oh, you got to, you know, air's got to come from the diaphragm, like, when you grunt. So when you go to a reach down and pick up a weight, you'll go, well, if you didn't make that sound, that's how you blow a duck call. So you're going, say, I didn't make a sound, but I reached that. Everything kind of got torched up, and I actually. inhale. All that pressure built up. But people will try to blow a duck call, and they'll make the, so they'll go,

that's kind of what I said. But look, it's still, what is that? Now look, you heard those two things. That's a crane. There's a crane that's a clown car or grunting, you know. Watch this. Well, how in the world did that drastically change? I mean, all of a sudden.

And are you doing the 10, 10? 10, 10. Is that what you're doing there? 10. 10 was an analogy. Is that not what you're supposed to do? It's like, now, let me explain this. That's what Stone taught me. Let me explain this to you. My dad came up with an analogy that when you say 10, he would ask a question,

how many times does your tongue touch the roof of your mouth? What's the answer? Two. Al got it wrong. It's two. That's why I can't blow it down. Look, 10. It has to go back up.

I see. So he was just making an analogy. I've been doing five. That when you have pressurized air, your tongue is going to let that air come out. So you're not saying the word 10. It's kind of like the time when someone came up and they said, I'm going to try one of these duck calls. And when they picked it up, they blew from this. in, which will not make a sound.

And so my dad said, hey, dude, hit it a lick on the other end and see if it'll work for you. And my dad used that redneck phrase, hit it a lick on the other end. Well, evidently, that guy didn't know what that meant. So look, he turned the call around, hit the call with his hand, and then licked it. No. True story. I saw it happen. Bill looked at me.

I looked at him, he thought, I don't think it's a boy. He's getting it. That's funny. That's funny. So that... I have never heard that story. That is the illustration of 10. It's an illustration.

You're not saying 10. Okay. So the pressurized air that I form is something that I'm doing with my body that you've never done before. Correct. So what you can practice, it's not going to make perfect. You're never getting any... Unless you just one day hit that. This is like the Holy Spirit discussion.

That's what I'm saying. You can do it. It's just will you ever do it for the first time? If you never do it for the first time, because it's a strange feeling. People are like, well, how do you get that feeling? I gave you the best illustration I knew. It's like you're picking up something and you were going to run. If it's picking up a weight, you should be really good at this question.

You were going to pick it up, but you weren't going to make an audible sound. Yeah. And then you're going to never leave that position. So actually, you're not exhaling. You're inhaling. I'm going the other way and then just letting the air out. It's like a controlled air. I'm decent at the hen call.

I can't, the feed call is what messes me up. Well, let's see. You want to, are we going to do that? We're going to have a competition. I want to hear exactly. Who's the competition between you? You and I. Well, no, I've already said I can't do it.

Yeah, I'll go get it out. I'm not going to compete. I can't do it. Zach, hit it a lick. Get your duck call. Hit it a lick. Let me, okay, I'm a little nervous because you got to give me a fair shake, Jason. And don't be like just automatically dismiss it too.

I don't, I don't, I don't even know what this duck call is. We're going to give you common grace. Don't give us a description. I don't have my duck calls. Don't give it a description. Just let me hear it. Hit it a lick. Jace is the expert.

Yep. All right. Now, put the call down, enter the microphone. Get your headphones on. Now, Zach has his air right. Yeah. So I would say he knows how to do it. The problem is the sound of a mallard hen is not in his head while blowing.

He had a little fancy what they call a double, double clutch. Yeah. He did that. Yeah. Which I've heard people do that. He did that. But his air was actually... His air was good.

Decent. And the feed call was good, which anybody can do a feed call. Except Christian. Yeah, the feed call is hard for me. I mean, an actual duck doing a feed call is not rolling the tongue. But let Christian hear what it actually is. Well, Zach just, he just rolled his tongue.

If you can go... See, I can't do that. I didn't roll my tongue. I did diga, digger, digger, digger, digger. Yeah, that was what I did. That's what they are. But with the digit, digger, digger, digger. I can't figure out how to do the air and sit in that.

Well, I can't do that dig it, dig it either, just even that. But a duck, actually, the only time he makes that sound that Zach made or she makes that sound is when they're flying real high. They'll do it fast. Well, you would never want to do that. Right. Because you're representing ducks sitting on the water. Yeah. It's like a wood duck call.

They do like the flying wood duck. People like to do that on the duck call. But that makes no sense because if you were a duck sitting. on the water, you would make the loud, chirpy noise. So the lesson I would give to Zach, to Zach, ducks, I don't know about... I'm like, you need to go to the nearest pond

where ducks are. Yeah. And listen. Well, go to your park. It's overrun, isn't it? Take your call and match your air because his cadence was wrong. Way to me notes. But I was impressed with the air. He threw in the double clutch. But he has his air right. He has air right.

You got your air right. Zach, you can be... I'm going to take that as a... I'm going to take that, honestly. after knowing George Mahalo. That's a raving endorsement. I was impressed. In all fairness, though, he would never let you blow it in the blind, though, probably. No, no. Well, not.

That's why he's never heard me blow it, Doug. I mean, you hunt with Jason. You got a window about six inches you can shoot out of if you hunt with Jason Phil. They got complete open porches. You got about a little six-inch window. Stay down, be quiet, and don't do anything. And just except be here. No, if he would practice what a duck sounds like,

Because you have your air right. I would welcome that. People that come to the blind who sound like a malorn in, I encourage them to blow. But only when we say. Because then you get into that when to call is just as important. What about sigh? What about sigh? How does he call?

Si has his air right. But his duck calling is just like his personality. It's an embellish version of everything. So he's like he'll blow right. He'll sound like a hint. Yeah, yeah. But then if they're not coming, well, then he's like, he goes over the top. It's like, he's telling a story.

He's like, no, I'm really serious here. Come down here. This joke is fine. This party is awesome. Then he makes some stuff up. Yeah, so then it gets crazy. And so then we're like, Sa, because he can't hear real good, which is a problem. I mean, he can't hear himself.

So we're like, Cy, you're blowing too loud there right here. But here's what I learned, Christian. Well, this is probably the best lesson for you, because you could do the hen call but you wouldn't get to do it very often. But if you learn out of blow the Drake call, which is very easy if you can do a base note. Yeah, it's just a super simple. Like, there's all kind of decoy.

There's all kind of ducks out here. So you could do all that or Gadwal if you've got gadwall coming or if you got a confidence call. Those are called confidence calls. So guys like me who's not very good on the hen call, I can blow the other calls like as if, and that's a backdrop. So a duck's flying around,

there's drags down there, there's wood ducks. So this call that we came up with, though, I will say one of the reasons I think the best, it's easier to blow. So if I just blow in this, see that? I'm just blowing, but it, it's not bad. Just with, so when you put the little pressure on it,

I like it because it's raspy, but it's when you lean on it. I will say it sounds just like a mallard. It has a crack to it. I wanted, because they had named it, what did they name it, select, which, what does that mean? I said, you should name it, The crackling.

Oh, I know where that name came from. That's what they call really good whiskey. Name it the cracker barrel. That's what they call? Well, I'm fixed change. Well, I don't even like whiskey. We can call it the common grace call. There you go.

Common grace call. That was from the last podcast, and I thought, wouldn't that be uncommon grace? If you're giving grace to those who are not loving you, wouldn't it be uncommon? Well, common in the sense is for everybody is what he meant, but uncommon is the sense that it's given. How about this, Zach? How about we stay away from phrases that are not in the Bible? That's going to be really difficult if we don't,

because we could just read it, just work for word every podcast. That brings me to the point that I never got to make. One of the themes of tackling this idea of the world, because we left off in 1 John 2. I know we were in John 15, but it's such a profound statement when he says, Yeah, you felt rushed. Don't, don't, oh, I was rushed.

Don't be shocked if the world hate you. Well, what's he talking about? Yeah. What world? Well, we're not talking about the rocks and the trees, because they haven't ever hated anybody. I guess unless a tree fell on you, but I'm telling you, it wasn't personal.

You were just at the wrong place in the wrong time. It wasn't hate. And it would have a rock hit you just because somebody threw it, probably. So I read first, John, too, saying he didn't, he didn't claim this. John is saying, God is not claiming these things that come out of the world.

When he said that, because if you just read the verse, 1 John 2.16, and take out the parenthetical. You see those two, I have two dashes in the middle of that sentence. Do you have that too? Yeah.

So if you just read the verse without the parenthetical, where it says, for everything in the world, Comes not from the father. Comes not from the father, but from the world. Well, wait a minute now. That everything is not talking about everything in the world. It's talking about these things in the parenthetical.

Yeah. The cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes, a boasting of what he has. And I'm wondering that sinful man is probably the same word for flesh, what you think? I mean, I hadn't looked it up. Yeah, mine says that it's ours of the flesh. Yeah, I would say that right. Yeah. Cravings of flesh, yeah.

But we've already gone through that just having flesh doesn't necessarily necessitate sin. Yeah. Because Jesus, look, the word became flesh. Then post-resurrection, look at my... Which is why the NIV added sin into the word. It's a tricky word, you know, to wrap your head around. What I was going to say, though, is what led to that is... So in 1st John 1, in verse 5, he says, this is...

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you, God is light. In him there's no darkness. Well, now we're back on this light. Jesus, I am the light of the world. That light has appeared to all men. Here we go. And so then he gets to chapter two, and he's like, I write this so that you will not sin, but if anybody does sin, well, we have one.

He speaks to the Father in our defense, Jesus Christ. And what's what verse 2 says. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. and not only for our sins, but for the sins of the whole world. There's that world. So, verse, I'm just leading up to the first John, too. Verse six,

whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. So now we have this challenge that, well, how are we going to walk like Jesus did? I mean, I remember reading this for the first time, and I thought, well, I'm out of all. them that. I mean, I can't, what? Yeah. So, well, what does he mean? Well, then he starts talking about love, which he already has, but it's kind of the whole

point because he says, I give you a new command. Well, if you go back to where we've been in John 14 and 15 when he was talking about, do what I command, what's the next phrase? Have one another? Love one another is I have loved you. It gets back to love. This has been the whole thing. So then look what he does.

in verse 8, yet I'm writing you a new command, it's truth, and now we're talking about speaking the truth in love, its truth is seen in him and you, because the darkness is passing, and the true light is already shining. This is this light that's come to all men. Well, it's already shining, and now we're getting into the... And think about when John wrote that.

Remember, it was decades after. Jesus was here. So what he's saying is the light's shining. It is shining, which goes into your, what's the name of your other podcast? Not yet now. Not yet. Not yet. Now. It's already shining. All right.

Then verse 9, anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother, he's still in darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in light. And there's nothing in him to make him stumble. So we get

that, which leads to the 1st John 2.15, don't love anything in the world, but he explains that. Didn't come from God. Didn't come from the Father. That's what it said. Yeah. So then he goes to the end of chapter 2, and he's like, dear children, continue in him so that when he appears, well, there's the not yet. and he gets into this we'll be like him

chapter three and verse two dear friends we are children of God and what we will be has not yet been made known but when we know that when he appears we shall be like him so there's your not yet we're going to get a new body

all that all that part and by the way he said we may be confident and unashamed remember what happened after the first sin was the first thing that happened to Adam and Eve they hid they hid and they were ashamed and they were name. Exactly. So then when you get to chapter 3 in verse 8, he gets back into this world, because he says, he who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. So we get

into that. So then I wanted to come to 311. This is the message you heard from the beginning, we should love one another. Now watch how, he goes all the way back to the garden and post garden. Do not be like Kane, and look at this phraseology, who belonged to the evil one. You remember in John 15, where we just was, and I said, you see this word belong keeps coming up, but it means of the world, do not be of the world. Same terminology, who belonged to the evil one and murder. murdered his brother, which is the opposite of loving.

And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brothers were righteous. Now, watch this. Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. What, does that sound familiar? Yeah. Where are we at in John 15? He says the exact phrase.

15, 18, right? Yeah, that's where we're at. What way to get that from is my point. He got that from Jesus when he said, if the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belong to the world, if you belong to the world, it would love you as its own. He's already said the prince of this world, stands condemned John 12, what he's going to do. So same thing. Now, I just, these verses are so powerful.

I had to read them. Verse 14. We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. Now, how profound is that statement? Yeah. You want to know how you're going to live if you have love in some capacity? You've passed from death to life. Which, by the way, that's what he means when he says you can walk as Jesus did.

Exactly. You have to go from death to life, just like he did. Now, watch this. Anyone who does not love remains in death. I mean, it's just so profound. anyone who hates his brother is a murderer which Jesus made the same point yeah and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him

this is how we know what love is Jesus Christ laid down his life for us and we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers he just got to be saying this in John 15 when we read that laying down in your life for your friends and this is not about being a servant in this capacity I'm calling you for you

friends. If anyone has material possession, sees his brother, need, has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Verse 18, dear children, this is a key, another thread that's going to show itself. Let us not love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth. And this goes back to the John 1-14. Up until this time, God's telling them,

here in the garden, what do you do? He gave him the instructions. And so I've even read where a lot of people say, well, you know, Adam and Eve are totally free because it says you're free to eat of any tree in the garden. They weren't totally free because then he said, except one. And that was the trust part. Trust me, don't eat of that tree.

And what happened? Well, here comes the evil one. Evil one deceives them. They eat of the tree. and now we've created a new world. Yeah. So he says with actions and in truth, which is what Jesus did, the word became flesh. It became a demonstration of God's love instead of just some words, which is why he's

saying this. Because it's like if you wrote somebody a letter every day telling them you loved them, well, at some point, what's that going to accomplish? I guarantee you they're going to start throwing them away. Or call 911. Well, seriously. You know, man. Now they're like, why does this guy keep sending me letters telling me he loves me?

Okay. Yeah. I got it. Yeah. Where's the action and truth? And so we're leading up to this, the whole point of this. So then he says, this then is how we know that we belong to the truth. Well, there's the belong.

And now we have the truth, which comes from the light. and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence. Whenever our hearts condemn us or blame us, it's not the same word condemn as all the other places you see it. This is the only place it's used. For God is greater. You convict us would probably be a better. Well, it's like once I looked at it,

it's used one other place besides it right here, three times in the whole Bible. It's like the emotional side of you just thinking, it's kind of like Roman 7 when he's like, I have this in me, you know, and I don't feel like I'm doing good. You're doubting yourself. You're doubting you. He's going to answer what the answer is.

He's going to say, you have God living in you. So let's keep reading. And he knows everything. 21, dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God. So we're confidence rather than condemnation. And we receive from him anything we ask because we obey his command. which is about love and do what pleases him. And here's where I'm trying to get to.

And this is the command to believe in the name of his son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as it commanded. Those who obey his commands live in him and he and them. And this is how we know he lives in us. We know it by the spirit he gave us. I mean, I think that's just absolutely. is the whole point of the text, John 14th, it's the whole point of it. He's like, I'm going to come in you.

So when you tie that into the first John, too. And you can't get the spirit unless you die. What I was trying to say is when it says the father, this didn't come from the father. I mean, the implication is you created this because you didn't trust me. When I said, don't eat at the tree of the knowledge of the good and evil. You were deceived by the evil one. So what did he do about it? Well, he came into the world.

That's why God sent Jesus into the world out of love. So he came into that world. And then what did he do? He showed us the true character of God. And then he starts promising his spirit. Well, that is from God. Jesus was from God. He said it hundreds of times in the Gospels.

I came from God. I came from God. I came from God. And then he's like, and now I'm going to send you the Spirit. I'm leaving, I'm going to send you the Spirit. He will be in you. So that's what he did about the world. That's why I said it's the world against the world,

because now you have spirit-filled people that are from God because Jesus came into the world. And to add to that, if you want to say, well, how do I know if I have the Spirit? First John also makes the argument for how we know that, right? So you think about the fruit of the Spirit, Galatians 5, which Christian mission before, the first one is love.

And so what he says repeatedly in 1 John is that essentially the message is we know that we are, we love God if we love one another. We know that we are, it's evident who are the children of God and the ESV of 310 and who are the children of the devil, whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. Beloved let us, this is in 1 John 4, 7, and brothers, let us love one another, for love is from God,

and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. First John 5, verse 1 and 2, everyone who believes that Jesus Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of Him. By this, we know that we love the children of God when we love God and obey His commandments. And so you think about that theme there, that one of the primary way that we actually identify,

we are housing the Holy Spirit is by our love. They'll know we're Christians by our love. And our love for one another, I love for God. But that can, you cannot, you can't truly love in this way unless you have the fruit of the spirit. The spirit enables us to love like this. And I think that that goes back even into the Old Testament. You know, when you look at all those laws that were given on Mount Sinai and all the, this, that just, How many of those, ceremonial laws and ritual and all that, the Ten Commandments, all of it.

And Jesus says, yeah, you can sum it all up in basically two things. Love God and love each other. In the illustration, Jay's did this a few podcasts back, was the rich young ruler. Remember because he said, what makes you good? Why do you call me good? And he said, well, I've kept those, the commandments, you know, since I was a kid. Yeah. But he missed the two things he had to do to love.

the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and to love your neighbors yourself. Remember, Jesus loved him. Oh, wow, that is the point. I mean, that was a huge point there. Because he didn't want any term to give to the poor, which is a love action. Exactly. And he made it about the commands. That's why I look, interesting enough, this world rabbit hole, when you read the last

verse of John, you remember when he makes this subtle statement about, I suppose there's not enough books in the world? in the world if everything was was written as to what he did right yeah but think i just always thought oh that's cool it's not about that look what what have we done in our world and i mean this world where the evil one there's more books about what the lord did and commentary if we stacked them up we we could make a pretty good section of the world just in the books and i thought they come out of every day. We missed it. It was a demonstration. Yeah. He gave us a demonstration of the word became flesh. He became a human. And I think that's what people are missing. They're like,

oh, we need some more books. Let me throw this out there. No, it's a person. So do you think that Paul makes the exact same argument that John makes in Romans 5, 6, 7, and 8? If you go back and think about those four chapters. He's making the exact same point you're talking about here about the two worlds. He starts it out with the two atoms. Oh, you get to the... Absolutely. You get to the death and barren resurrection comments in chapter six, and then you get to seven with the no confidence and they ask. And then you get to eight, it's the spirit that is.

I would say, I think this is the whole point of all the books. it's this mindset of there's two worlds going on. But one world, so one world though is going to eat up the other world. And I think that's the picture of the kingdom. Make sure you're right in the right world.

All right, I'll give you an example, what you're saying. Here's a random verse you probably never considered about world. In 1st Corinthians 7, I mean, he's talking about marriage. And the reason I thought about this, this is because Jesus is telling disciples, you know, trouble's coming. Don't let your hearts be trouble, but it is coming.

Are you going to quote the verse that dad did a Christian's funeral? That's where I'm going to start. Wedding. I'm sorry. Christian did my dad? That was a bad pro-de-in. So you know the verse, Christian, I'll top of your head. Remember this moment? The second half.

Is it better for man not to marry? No. That's the part that I remember. Well, he said that at the wedding. He started there. It's better. that's earlier in the chapter. But then he read this,

which is the second half of 1st, 5th, 28. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life. Trouble. And I want to spare you of this. What do you think, Christian,

when he's reading that at your wedding? You're about to marry his granddaughter and the patriarch of the family comes out. What's going through your head? I thought he just got the wrong scripture. I think I thought he was just confused on what he was reading.

Oh, no. But you know what? I mean, we can laugh at Phil. It's really good advice. He was right on. I've been married 35 years. I mean, Paul said it. Trouble is coming.

And it's going to manifest itself in various forms. I mean, it can even be from good things. It could be set on the clock. Oh, it's a, it's a, yeah, it reminds me that song, people get ready. People get ready. There's a train that coming. Well, how do you think, do you think that would come? Not that the Bible has any contradictions,

but Genesis 1, do you think that applies more so to marriage that it's not good for man to be alone or more so community? Or could you make the argument for both? No, I think he's, I think the creation order is God wants us to get married. I'm not saying everybody, but I mean, it is the primary vehicle through which God, it is the vehicle through which God creates. And Paul even said, I'm the unicorn. Like he said, I wish more people are like me, but he was like,

I think, yeah, I think Paul's instructions are, in that case, I personally think that's the context they were in with the persecuted church. I don't think that had anything to do with the creation or, like, in general, for all of us. I think that, I actually think that we should encourage people to get married. Like, somebody for me, I was, maybe because of my childhood, but I was a lone wolf, and I'm perfectly content with that. Oh, yeah. And so I had a couple of bad dates. and so for a year

not that anything bad happened I just thought no this is I'm not going to find somebody that I want to marry so I remember for one year I basically debated

what you're talking about I thought what if I just go it alone I think I can do it and I think you probably could have yeah I think I could have but then I met well I think

I you know this is a man who famously He said the best conversations are the one he has with himself. So, yeah. But I met my wife, and then all of a sudden I was like, forget that. I got a chance here.

So I don't know. Just I fell in love. But there is a lot of trouble. And we've talked about many on this podcast. Well, we have. And nobody tell her about that clock when I shared that story. It's like, you haven't even heard this story.

But it's like, why are you sleeping on the couch, Jates? because I sold a piece of junk, and I tried to get my wife $300 for said junk, and somehow that was a bad thing. But anyway. Well, said junk was a family heirloom. Yeah, it turned out to be a family heirloom.

So if you would have told me that, I wouldn't have told it. So anyway, verse 29, he makes an illustration about the world. And look, he says, what I mean is this. So what do you mean? You're going to have trouble, is that the time is short. From now on, those who have wives should live as if they had none. Those who mourn, now this gets real confusing. You're like, wait, what?

He's making a very good point about what we're talking about. Those who mourn as if they did not. Those who are happy as if they were not. Those who buy something as if it were not theirs to keep. Those, here's the phrase, verse 31, who used the things of the world as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away. Where you that again?

First Corinthians 7, 29 through 31. He's talking about marriage, and all of a sudden he was like, now hang on here. I know you live in this world, but he's talking to Christians. And he's like, you've got a choice. You're not of this world anymore. quit getting so engrossed in it. He continues to say that when you're married, you're distracted because you're having to take care of worldly things and the affairs of a man and you're trying to please your husband.

And he's like, he gets down to the end and his whole point in verse 35, he says, I'm saying this for your own good, not to restrict you. He wasn't making some kind of rule about. You can't get married. Yeah, and don't provide for your family and all this. But he's saying that you may live. in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord. That's a great point. I mean, you're married to the Lord and you're in a world that's new, and you have a

king, and you're the servant of the king. That is your primary devotion. Which is why when Lisa and I go and speak to people about marriage, this is what we get back to every time. If you're both not devoted to the Lord, because we're speaking in a Christian content, I mean, I could go write a book about counseling, blah, blah, blah, but if you're both not devoted to the Lord, you will always have these worldly struggles

that'll be a part of your marriage. I mean, but when that happens, when you both get on the same page, even with the struggles like Jason is talking about, you always come out on the right side. You always wind up in the right place. It never found. Well, I already brought this verse up

because my point was going to be for bringing it up. Most people, when they see the world's passing away, they make it all not yet. okay well we just need to wait you know we have to do all this stuff but no he he throws that right in the middle of this this is now you have the holy spirit of god now don't be distracted by the world go through the day to day but keep it all in the right perspective that's why he made that little deal about not being engrossed in them yeah you can't get engrossed in the world because you're not of the world and in at the height what was the engrossed where that's first

that 31 7, 31. I'll read you another one just to make the same point. And it's one we read all the time. Romans 12, 1, and 2, which I never noticed this before until I did the world study.

So he's like, in view of God's mercy, offer your body's living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, this is spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of the world. Same concept. You're now in a world within a world.

because you're in Jesus. But be transformed by the renewing of your mind, then you'll know what God's will. We're back to this God's will. We know what God's will is. It's all based in love. It's good, pleasing, and perfect will. But I like that one because it's a renewal.

Same thing in 2nd Corinthians 5, when he says, we no longer view people from a worldly point of view, though we once regarded Christ that way. He uses that word world. Yeah. Yeah. But then the profound smoking gun is that God uses us because he's reconciling the world to himself.

And we are therefore ambassadors. That's the key because if you read the passage, that's why I was asking about your NIV version of 1st Corinthians 7, this is not a form of Gnosticism, which means that the world is a way. inherently evil. And really because you also see God says he's reconciling the world to himself. And then you have the Romans 8 passage that the creation itself waits an eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed, to be liberated from its bondage to the case. And John won. He made all things. That's why I read that last podcast. He made all things. Yeah. But even in that Corinthian passage, 1 Corinthians in verse 31, it says,

and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it for the present form of this world is passing away. So it's not that the world is passing away, it's the present form of the world. So then if you go to 1st, Corinthians 15, you actually start to see a little bit of that

but our own bodies. It's not that he's going to get away with the physical body. It's not like, oh, the physical body's bad. The world's going to hell in a handbasket. It's all bad. Don't worry about it.

Just disregard all that. He's just saying that the present form is not going to be the final form. and the final form is what we always talk about in this podcast. That is the not yet part that we're kind of getting little morsels of it. We're seeing the world inside the world expand and it's having major impact and converting the other world into our world into Christ's world. And then the consummation of the kingdom is going to be,

the entire globe is going to be good, but it will be as temp. Because the thing that changed, the thing that changed was he came to the world. world. He came here. Well, exactly. And actually, it doesn't. It's so weird that Zach brought this up, because I actually looked up that Greek word there, which present doesn't seem to be in the Greek, but I guess it's implied. But that word form is only used twice in the New Testament, this fashion.

Present form. Well, yeah. You know, when the other time it's used, which kind of blew my mind, is in Philippians, too, when about Jesus, it says, and 2-8, being the form of God. No, 2-8, and being found in appearance as a man. So, which was a temporary. Yeah.

Philippians 2. Philippians 2.8 is in 1st, Corinthians 731 are the two. That's not temporary. Well, it was a temporary, that's why he was leaving. Now, his, it's the same. a body. That's right. That's what I was getting in. That's why it was, when you said that, I thought, this is a little deeper than you realize, because I actually went to it, because I thought, what's he mean by that? But it's like this world in its current form is going to

change. Just like Jesus went from perishable to imperishable. I think that's what he's getting at. But it says it's already happening. That's why I read in the first John. Well, it is, because people are dying and being resurrected and the Holy Spirit living. Exactly. But it makes it really about now so much. Much more. And it also adds to the urgency concept of people finding this out so that they can then cross over from the other world into this world.

Oh, I found something. I know we only got a couple minutes, so I'm going to throw this in because this was random. Boy, I was in the airplane, and I read this, and I went, yes. Seven miles out. I looked around. Everybody's looking at me. Look, I held my Bible and said, this is good. You don't need a TV screen if you got Jason around.

So I was doing this thing about the light of the world, you know, and all that, going down all the, well, what, one of the worlds that popped up was in Philippians, too. where it says, and look, this is crazy because the NIV, once again, missed it. Well, they just, I didn't notice it because it says universe, but it's the same word for world. Philippians 2. Oh, you're. Shine lights to be.

Oh, wow. This is so good that it'll make you run through a brick wall. To make you yell on an airplane. 14's like, do everything without complaining and arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure children. of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, which is this world

we're living in. Here's the phrase, shine like stars in the universe. So you look at the Greek here, well that stars, the word for light, it's luminary. It's only used twice

in the entire Bible. This is one of them. And the word for universe there is the same word for world. Yeah. So look, you're luminating, is that a word? Illuminating.

Illuminating? Yeah. Well, it comes from luminous. Yeah. You would be a luminary, yeah. So if you, if you, if you, let's get a, the worldly definition for luminary, uh,

listen to this. A person who are inspired to influence us, a, uh, a natural light giving body. especially as sun or moon. Well, he's talking about us. Yeah, yeah.

We become this to the world. Right. It's used here, and it's used in Revelation 2111. You remember, he saw a new heaven, a new earth. The church is coming down out of it. When you get to 2111, it shone with the glory of God and its brilliance. It was like that. And remember, we did all the thing about the judgment.

jewels and you pick the same jewels that if you have the laser light that it becomes rainbows. How did he get all those right? And it's talking about people who have surrendered to Jesus. You become the luminaries of the world. It's the Zion again, Christian, the holy city. Now, yeah. Now and not yet.

I mean, but when that not yet happens, you don't need a, that's why it says you don't need the sun or moon. Yeah. you know, there's no temple. The Lord is the temple. And he is the light. I mean, what a way. So when he says,

it's funny you say that because you look at this text here and it says the city lies four square mile, or the city is the city lies four square. It's length the same as the width. This is in Revelation 2116. And he measured the city with his rod. So the idea of the city here is that if you measure, it, it's a square.

This is that cube that Bill Smith used to talk about. Well, you know what else is where the length is the same as the width? Whenever you go back to the temple and then you go back before that and you go back to the tabernacle when they built the,

if you go back and read those instructions in Exodus 25, when Moses was given, and I think it was like 10 by 10. Yeah. The box was 10 by 10, and then it was expanded in the temple. And I make it,

I may get this wrong, but I think it was 30 by 30. Well, now you're seeing it even bigger. And so this is the temple. I mean, this is what we're talking about here. And that's why we see the ever-expanding temple. God's temple is ever-expanding, which is what Paul was saying. That's Paul's message that we belong to this temple. We're living stones connected to the cornerstone.

And we are growing into a temple. So the idea is whatever this new, the way that God dwells with me, man now, it's an ever-expanding dwelling with man. And I mean, that is the picture that you're getting to at the very, very end of the Bible, almost the very last chapter of the Bible. Exactly. I know we're out of time, but I read all that about the world, because he said, the world's going to hate you.

Yeah. Why? Because when he got to the last two verses of chapter 15, he says, when the counselor comes, which is going to be in you, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth, which he's already spent the rest of time talking about love.

Who goes out from the Father, this is from the Father. He will testify about me. Spirit is going to testify. That's how you're going to shine like a star and be a star in this world. And you also must testify for you have been with me from the beginning.

This became a mission with a warning. Oh, they're going to hate you. They're going to persecute you. You have trouble coming, but you're going to be like a star in the world. Started in the first engine. It's still going today.

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