Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1170 | Willie Pranks Tim Tebow Like a King of Overkill & How the Gospel Humbles Our Pride

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

The guys riff on the Robertson brand of “thick skin,” and Jase credits his being “unoffendable” to his brotherhood with Willie—whose prank on Tim Tebow recently went a bit overboard. Jase recounts the saga of his long-locked Twitter account, and Zach finds the one thing that actually really pushes Jase’s buttons. They explore how the Spirit convicts and guides us into all truth, shifting us from transaction to transformation. In this episode: John 16; John 12, verse 36; John 4, verses 21–24; Ephesians 4, verses 17–32; Ephesians 5, verses 1–20; Romans 12, verses 1–2; Romans 8, verses 1–6; 1 Thessalonians 5, verse 4; Genesis 1, verses 1–3; Exodus 3, verses 1–6; Romans 1, verses 19–20; Philippians 2, verses 5–8; Galatians 5, verses 22–23 Chapters: 00:00–11:40 Roast-Friendly Families & “Unoffendable” Friends 11:41–18:20 Willie Pranks Tim Tebow 18:21–29:03 The Truth Isn’t Relative 29:04–38:25 A Transformational Life 38:26–48:10 Where Did Air Come From? 48:11–55:12 Earth, Wind & Fire According to AI — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. It's Zach, it's the podcast before the podcast. That's where all the good stuff happens that we can never talk about because they're stupid. We probably couldn't air that. It wasn't bad. It just was. Well, y'all were wrong and I was right.

That's why we're not airing it. PSA. Jay's is marriage advice. Trust me, audience, you do not want to... I have a catalog of all of these early... Because we're recorded. I don't know if you ought to know there or not. So I have the catalog.

When I want to burn the whole thing down, when we're done, we'll do Revelation, and then I want to have a whole other thing. It's going to be the after party. It's going to be the pre-party and the after-party content. Unashamed, unplugged. That's what a little bit. I don't have it recorded.

I'm just kidding. You know what's... crazy is we have argumentative tendencies. That's obvious. Well, I think it comes from our childhood because everyone that I brought into our family, even Missy the first time she visited down, you know, to where we live, she was just so distraught, you know, because she thought like there was a fight fix to break out.

I'm like, oh, no, this is how we communicate. You see if your argument will stand. Yeah. And boy, if it does it, you need to go back in. And we did it even, Jay said, like playtime. Like it was like we play dominoes or cards, which is why I don't even enjoy it anymore because you kind of still have an outlet, I guess, through playing poker. But I don't have that anymore.

And like people try to get me to play games with them, like card games or whatever. Lisa plays. They play tenaster or whatever. And I just can't. I'm like, no, I have no desire because if it's not for blood, and, you know, for keeps that I just can't do it. It just has, I have no interest in it. Me and Willie used to take a lot of flack because there's this old golf course here.

Most people, like the group we played in were way older than me and Willie, and they got on each other mercilessly from the time we started to we quit. And everybody kept saying, why do you all play with those guys? I was like, this is the greatest entertainment. on earth. Exactly. They never did it to us. I mean,

they'd make a few snag comments here and there, which I was like, I am unoffendable. Yeah, bring it on. I'm not good at golf. So whatever you're saying, you know,

it's not, it does it affect me. But, boy, we used to laugh at those guys. I mean, unfortunately, half of them are dead now.

But they griped and complained. It was all about whatever little game they were playing. And they never could. could agree. And then they, the golf was just kind of the backdrop for whatever argument went. But,

uh, we just found it fascinating, which I guess most people, they wouldn't like that. And, uh, it was just funny to us. But if you would have been looking from afar,

you thought one of them was fixed to try to hurt the other. But no, they're just making a point, you know. It's the first, it's the first hour of Lonesome Dove. If you ever go back and watch Lonesome Dove, the first hour of those two,

old men, two old Texas Rangers getting at each other is some of the best television ever made. It's so funny. It is a love language. A Christian called me night before last because we're doing the unashamed with Hillsdale on Fridays and that we have a text thread with me, Al, Christian, and John Luke. So they started roasting me. They don't really, I don't do text. Like the group threads, I have a hard time keeping up with them.

I don't know why. Because you put the A&D and ADD. There's a, but I'm not technologically savvy, but I do know this. There's a little blue bar that says, leave the conversation. I have pushed that button on every group text I'm in, except the one with my immediate family and the one that does this podcast. everything else I left wow I feel like we are in

high regard well I didn't leave it the thing the jokes in there were funny they were definitely geared towards me they were making fun of me about a particular inside joke we have and I never responded well then I finally respond with hey this is the wrong you got the wrong

Zach on the wrong day but I was kidding I was just like I got your joke that's why I didn't even respond Yeah, I was like, you got the wrong. The Christian thought you were serious. Oh, he's like, oh, so then he's like, that's the problem. You can't base any, any validity to a text.

Yeah, you can't get this. You don't know. People make jokes and it just doesn't land and then they don't. And then they do all these little, what are they called, memes. Mames. There are a lot of memes in there. They were funny for two minutes and then that should have died. Well, he called John.

Well, first he called Al. to check with you, Al, he said, you didn't answer us. I could have told you, Al, I wasn't going to answer it. You know why? Because I knew what he was calling about. I knew he took you serious. And I thought, no, he's got to grow up. If you're going to eat at the adult table, you're going to have to keep up.

You need thick skin. Well, I said all that to say, you know, Zach and I have an interesting relationship. And what is? What is post found? Now I feel like, hold on, let me put my thick skin on because I feel like I'm about to get it. I feel like whatever is coming next, I feel like this is going to be. You're going to like this story. You're going to like this.

So at my last event, it was like a double barrel. We did the event. And then the next night, we did the same event. It was sold out both times, standing room only. But so they did a meet and greet. And I would say, it was supposed to be 200 both nights, but I would say doing the math, it was probably closer to 7 or 800 people that I met. and most of them listen to this podcast.

You know what the number one question I got, or the number one topic, let me put it that way, that was talked about. What's that? Me and you and our relationship. It was pretty funny. Were they worried about it?

Yeah, most were. They were like, I don't understand why y'all can't get along. And I said, it's all a joke. We're able to have, have a combative relationship for humor purposes. And we argue our positions. I said, I value having somebody in my life who's unoffendable.

I value that. Most of my really good friends have that quality. I can say anything, anytime, anywhere, because they know deep down in my heart, you know, I love them. And I like having these conversations. But to prove the point, and I think this will be helpful. So at like 6.30 next morning after, I'm flying back here, I was, you know, you're in an airport terminal. You know, I'm talking to people. I'm not sitting there on my phone like most people.

And I looked down and I missed a FaceTime call from Zach, which I thought was weird. Yeah. I thought, well, it's early because I don't even know what time zone I'm in. So it's 6, 7 o'clock in the morning. and he tried to FaceTime me. And so I sent a text saying, I'm flying. I'll call you back. I think the first time I said in 15, 20 minutes.

But that 15, 20 minutes came and went because I just kept getting distracted. I got into a Bible study on the plane. So anyway, after I flew from the first destination, I tried to call him. didn't answer at some point he sends me a text saying i'll i'll get back with you i tried to call him he tried to call me there's a couple more texts it gets on into the evening now this has been an all-day ordeal we we finally get a hold of each other and i was like well what were you calling me for he said well i thought you called me i was like no you facetime me at seven o'clock this morning and he's like, I must have butt-dialed you.

I spent all day trying to get a meeting, and it was all over. He accidentally facetiming. Accidentally. So that depicts our relationship. I think that would be helpful. That's it right there. That's in the nutshell. True story, Hans-A.

Yeah. I think it's true. It is true. I mean, it happened. I didn't know why. I was like, why is he called? I was in middle of church, and I was like, the way you said it was like

that I had initiated it and I was a little confused so I went back and looked at my phone and said I didn't call him so I don't know how that happened because I had no record of it in my call log so I didn't know what it was about and it was so weird I thought something had gone wrong

so I was urgent in getting to you you know but I didn't know what was happening I thought maybe I finally offended him maybe I finally made him mad I did make you mad I didn't make you mad I didn't make you mad one time recently when I yawned. Yeah, when you yonned in the podcast.

Because we did have a call, which I was surprised by that, but you were, like, you were mad and we had a. I made me mad because I thought, yeah, if you're yawning. And it made me so happy because it was so funny, like, Jason's making this, you know, the biggest point of the podcast and it's like, oh. I thought if you're yawning, you need to repent right now. And now every time I yawn, because I know it offends you, I do it through my nose so that you can't see me doing it. See me posture up. I'm just yawn through the nose. Well, look, the event I was at in Missouri, Brad, the guy who organized the event, he did come, he's an ardent listener.

He loves our podcast. And he told me that Zach was his favorite. And so, Zach, there's at least one guy. There's Brad in Fulton, Missouri. that says you're his favorite on the podcast. So there you go. You got one fan. Well, I got one out there.

I got some detractors, though. I read the comments. Kingdom of God. That's right. Diversity and you. Yeah. Well, my favorite line jace to people, my favorite thing to ask them, they'll tell me they love the podcast or they listen to the podcast, which by the way,

like now every audience I ask, like more than have. of the people in the audience raise their hand when I say, have you ever listened to the N'Shan podcast? So, I mean, our audience has got to be growing or at least there's just a lot of people out there that listen. So I've just noticed the more I go now, the more they listen. But I always ask them the same thing. I say, you think old Jace is going to run out of story? And they always say the same thing. Never.

Never. Never. Never. That came from our dad. He used to say that all the time. Yeah. I got it from him. Did he ever run out of a story?

No, he did not. I said this many times. Phil, you know, most people, they talk about their parents, you know, they tend to just kind of have the same issues. They keep bringing up. But every day was a new day with our dad because he would come up with something that I had never heard. And I thought, boy, is he dreaming this stuff? Or where does it come from? Yes.

Do you remember when dad was young, like when we first moved down the room? river we were just kids but when he would have we would have people over from church mostly those first few years you know just kind of getting to know people I guess building community but do you remember he he would just sit and tell stories for hours yeah do you remember that like he would just go one after the other after the other and I was always enthralled you know I would just sit there and like I'd heard a bunch of them you know hundreds of times but I would sit he was so entertaining that I would, it was like listening to your favorite comedian or way. You know, you always laughed at the same spot. I think it's really about, you know, Louisiana, the culture that

we live in. It is some of the greatest storytellers of all time, which is really why I believe, you know, God chose our family and our specific way to kind of reach people out there. I mean, Willie told me a story in the airport because we randomly bumped into each other, which was kind of funny. coming from two totally different directions. He went to Jacksonville, Florida, and spoke at Joby Martin's Church. Well, I think Tim Tebow goes there. He does.

He's from Jacksonville. Well, Tim Tebow was in Baton Rouge. Oh, yeah, for the game. For the SEC, whatever network. Well, it's kind of weird that we're LSU fans. He's obviously a Florida fan. But then they both went to Michigan because they had an event together,

Willie and Tebow. But Willie got there before Tebow. So he went into the green room that's never green. Yeah. And he had an idea because he was bored. And he sent me the video. And it was, he took purple and gold ribbon. I'm sure he had a team to do this because it was incredible.

And made the whole green room, LSU colors with all kinds. It's like way over the top. I mean, it was like taking an hour to clean this up. And then he was dressed in all LSU. And then when Tebow came in, they like filmed his reaction. Yeah, Willie's laying on the couch in the green room. Which I thought what Timmy should have died when he walked in.

Because you know, Timmy's a big boy. He's very muscular, strong. He should have, he should have punched Willie right in the face. He should have just rare. I mean, he should have gone just, I mean, he should have been, I wish you would have punched Willie in the face. So much violence with these. Florida fans, Jay.

But the reason I tell that story is because Willie then said they all went, you know, out to eat or something. And Willie's like, I felt kind of bad because every time there was a moment of silence, they kept saying, well, tell us some more stories, Willie. And he was like, you know, I was trying to involve everyone. And they just kept asking for stories. And I thought, well, Willie's a storyteller too. Yeah, I was like, that's just who we are.

Would you ever, did you ever watch Willie on Tucker Carlson? I mean, he went on that show and he talked for like two hours. And Tucker more than that. Tucker, and Willie said afterwards, Tucker said, Willie, I've never had a guest talk as much as you just talked. I mean, he just, you're right. I guess you just don't run out. So what was, I didn't see the video.

What was Tebow's reactions? Oh, he just lit. I mean, it's so unusual because I think Willie put it on his, whatever y'all call this stuff. Instagram was what we called. He sent me that, so then I had to go call somebody to figure out how to watch it. I'm the same way. As soon as I get one thing that says, go do this, then I'm out. I'm like, well, I'm like, well, I'm like, I don't know my passwords. I don't know. But I finally, somebody got it working. So I watched it, but it was hilarious. We have such unusual.

You just got locked out of Twitter, which is now X for about two years. You have a pretty big Twitter account. He said, yeah, I'd been able to get in in two years. So literally within 48 hours, I had a minute. But he literally did not have access to his own Twitter account. And they were selling stuff on there, weren't they? They were selling some kind of. Well, that was different.

I got hacked. He's just like, and it happens. You know, we need to deal with this. Jay's like, I don't know. I never could figure that out. Speaking of world within a world, Jay. I said, somebody's making a lot of money off my Twitter account, man. They're not giving me a dime.

I'm like, they didn't bother you. He's like, I mean, yeah, what are you going to do about it? Like, we'll figure out a way to fix it. Let me, I'll, I'm going to, we'll get on this. Y'all did good. You fixed it. I started getting texts and they were like, does Jace really sign computers and sell? They were selling Apple computers or something.

Yeah, they were saying computers? I'm sure they stole. So, yeah, there you go. Yeah, supposedly. All right. But we're going to get to the book of John again? They take. Let's get to the Bible. Well, we're in John 16, is where we are.

And we were in this text, the last podcast, kind of the end, well, the middle of the chapter 16. And we were making the point of this kind of Holy Spirit conviction text. This is kind of where we left off. And which I found fascinating because the idea here is that, and we talked about this, that the Holy Spirit convicts the world because of the purity of what you see. In other words, it's like the fruit that comes forth from the believer is the conviction of both sin and judgment and what was the other way, a justice and righteousness that he talks about in the text, which is really fascinating when you think about it.

I looked up, I saw in your notes you kind of had the Greek word for sin and righteousness. And judgment. Yeah, and judgment. Which I guess that crisis comes, I guess that's where we get the word crisis. Oh, that's where it comes from. The Greek word for judgment is crisis. With a K. Yeah.

Makes me think of that verse in first Thessalonians 5, 4, you know, when it says, don't be surprised when Jesus comes back. Yeah. Whatever your thoughts are on your maker, it will be crisis time when he appears. If you're surprised, That's probably a bad sign that he's coming back. That's always been one of my favorite lines, especially my kids, when they come in, they're like, they're in a panic. And I'm like, hang on, your lack of planning is not my crisis.

You know, you just fall in bad. You know what I'm saying? That's like somebody has a lack of planning, and then they try to put the crisis on you. I made the point that this judgment does happen now in time in a way as spirit-filled people when you speak truth. That's why, you know, it goes on to say when He, the spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. And I think we talked about the question that I had about, you know, how does the Holy Spirit teach you everything and remind you of the things that Jesus said, John 14? That's where we left off. But the truth is revealing, because I looked up, I saw what you did, I looked up the Greek word for convict.

I was kind of surprised at what I found because, you know, you can look up all those words and then see how it relates. But, you know, one of the ways it tends to be used is this exposure. You're exposing back to this concept of Jesus as the light of the world. And, you know, our dad used to say, and he got it from the guy that brought him to the Lord, when you share Jesus, it makes people mad glad or sad. that regardless every time no matter what the situation is and our dad used to say what else could you share in life that would do that but have you noticed that out yeah it there's a there's a there's an exposure

that happens because you realize if this is true if Jesus is who he says he is did what he did is doing he's doing, we'll do what happens next, then it has to be a response. You're either, oh, boy, rubbing your hands together, this is exciting. Can I come surrendering? Or you're sad just, you know, because of the way you've lived or you're convicted, embarrassed, or you're mad because you don't want that to be true. And you don't want to surrender, you know, because of pride. or whatever. I think you're right. And I think that's what is so powerful about the text is seeing it from both sides. You know, the same spirit that indwells you, that the conviction for us, the exposure for us is a guidance principle. In other words, it's a consistent thing in our lives that guides

us back to the right pathway, even if we, for some reason, see something the wrong way. The spirit is there to guide you back. But if you don't have the spirit, then how do you have, Where do you go? I mean, how do you get guided to the right pathway? That's why it just seems to get in darker and darker places, and you see lives just been more and more out of control. I mean, you can see exactly how it happens. And you're right.

It's not just talking about final judgment at all. It's talking about daily judgment. Well, because he says, and he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment. So he's encapsulating all three of those things, which is the now. the not yet. The judgment's the not yet. You know, that's coming at the end. But concerning judgment because of this rule or the rule of this world is judged or now stands condemned. I think the NIV reads. But I think what is

difficult for us to grasp in this is that so we're in, we're coming out or to the end of a of a thing called postmodernism, which is essentially the truth is relative. And that's been the current cultural moment that we've all lived through, that truth is in the eye of the a holder, truth is something that comes from within, look inside yourself to find the truth. You determine truth for yourself. I'm living out my truth, or that's the phrases that would be common in the last five years, you know, this is my truth, as if the truth is more your perception of something as opposed to truth is outside of us and it's revealed to us. So when you, I think this is a really important conversation because it's one of the things

when I look at a lot of different philosophies, which somebody said in one of our podcasts that we did to not read philosophers, which is an actual philosophy in and of itself. We've had that debate on here quite a bit. But we have had that debate. I know I had it with Phil one time, but I think we're all coming into it.

I think any time you say, don't read something right off the bat, my alarm bell goes off. Yeah, it's like you. That means you're not very strong in your mind. if you say you can't read something. Because what we're doing is, the Bible, I mentioned this in a previous podcast, that we don't fight with the weapons of this world.

What we do, we have a divine power that demolishes philosophies, strongholds, arguments, lofty arguments. Those are human-made philosophies that set themselves up, they set themselves up against the knowledge of God. And so one of the, one of the biblical term that would be in like any kind of textbook that you would read at a seminary would be the word revelation. It's a key part of how, revelation, not the book revelation, but just the idea of revelation that God, he reveals the order of the world to us. God reveals reality to us. So reality is not something

that we determine for ourselves. It's something that we have to receive through revelation from God. That was the point of that Romans 1 passage that the divine attribute, of God have been clearly perceived from what has been made. So when you look at revelation and scripture, we see two ways that the Bible talks about revelation. One way is that God generally reveals himself through the creation. We walk outside and you don't have to know anything about the Bible to know there's a God.

You can look and, I mean, Aristotle never read the scriptures, but he knew that there was an unmovable object just through basic reasoning. That's called natural law. But then there's that special revelation that tells us who this God is, that he's triune, that his son's name is Jesus. And so the spirit is the one who is revealing that to us. And the spirit is the member of the, it's one of the persons of the Trinity that is actually revealing to us what reality ultimately is. And the ultimate

reality is the triune God himself. So if you were to think about revelation in this way, And I think it has everything to do with the text of John 16 is that all knowledge begins with God revealing it. And then everything that God is revealing is ultimately his inner life and his heart and who he is in the end. And so when the Bible says here that when the Spirit comes, he's going to guide you into all truth, he's not just simply saying that he's going to tell you that, you know, he's going to give you mathematical equations. what he's talking about here, God is going to reveal the actual nature of reality to you. He's going to tell you about your sin.

He's going to tell you about your guilt. He's going to tell you about righteousness, how to live right, how to actually live in a right relationship with him, and he's going to tell you about judgment. He's going to reveal this to you, and that is the way that the believer is going to be able to operate now in the world,

and that is the way that the believer is going to actually be able to manifest the fruit of the spirit, which Paul will later explain in Relations chapter 5. No, I couldn't agree more. In fact, you think about it, creation and then this recreation, we've been talking about the kingdom, the temple, all these things we've seen since Jesus was here and poured his

spirit out. And then you see the third phase, which is the last one, is then into eternity at the final resurrection. But that's, that's exact. I mean, think about how ordered your life is when you know those things. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, like, Ephesians 4 and 5 are, it's a really good example of what we're talking about, just lived out modern day.

Because you remember in John 12, 36, he said, put your trust in the light while you have it so that you may become children of light. Well, he hadn't really introduced the Holy Spirit at that time, which he does in 14, 15, and 16. Yeah. But like when you go to Ephesians 4 and, you know, in 17, he's like, I tell you this and insist on in the Lord that you must no longer live. And he starts bringing up this light and darkness and people losing sensitivity. He gets to verse 20. He's like, when you came to Christ, you heard.

And then he gets into this putting off the old self and putting on the new self in the attitude of your minds, created in God in true righteousness and holiness, which he's bringing up in this, you know, John 16. But then he goes on to say in 29, don't let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth. And he gets to 30. He says, don't grieve the Holy Spirit of God whom you were sealed for the day of redemption and get rid of all these negative things and put on the positive, be kind and compassionate. So then he's like, 5-1, be imitators of God, therefore, is dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us. He gets into this even more, not just sins, but like having a hint

or an image of certain sins, where you're like deceiving yourself, and he's like, don't be partners with that. So I read all that to get to 5-8, where he says, for you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord, live as children of light. For the fruit of the light consists of goodness, righteousness, and truth, and find out what pleases the Lord. And then he goes down to that famous, you know, segue verse where he's like, don't get drunk, but instead be filled with the spirit. And I think you see that lived out.

What he's predicting is going to happen to his disciples here. you fast forward later on in the Bible and you actually see this lived out which is kind of cool I was thinking Jason you were quoting Paul that you know wouldn't it you know you kind of reading the scripture about Peter and Paul having a couple of you know they both mentioned each other in in their letters that you know obviously there was interaction there which you would expect but you never read anything about John and Paul's conversations but you know they had to haven't because when you read Paul's letters, these things we've been studied in and John are so prevalent when they come out with this light and transformation. I mean, it's just, I would have

loved to have been like sitting in a conversation with those two as they're just talking about because, you know, I mean, all of Paul's stuff comes later, sort of this direct revelation from Jesus. But then you know he was curious with those conversations with the guys that actually spent the three years with it, you know? Well, I noticed in your notes when you had that about transformation, and I was like, where's he getting this from? Yeah. I started reading the text, and I was like, but I realized that you put it there when

he said he'll be your guide. Yes. He will guide you into all truth. What I thought, okay, good point, Al. And you know what I thought about, Judge? I thought about us back to Paul, Romans 12, one and two, you know, that were. is what I thought about because he says, I urge you in view of God's mercy to offer your life as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God.

This is your spiritual act of worship. That idea, again, about being a temple. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of the world. That's the blind side, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you'd be able to test and prove what God's will is, is good, please, and perfect will. So you have to have a guide to get there. And I think about everything on the front side of this conversation is transactional. Everything in life is transactions of good, bad, whatever, where transformational life is so different

because it produces something that you couldn't produce without the Spirit. Well, that's a great point because if you think about the context of what you just read, that to offer your bodies as a spirit, in that what you just read, offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God, this is your spiritual act of worship. So the discernment, you'll be able to discern what. is good from what is evil because that's the big that's the problem how do we know what is good and what is evil you know once you eat that once we ate of that fruit of the knowledge of the tree of good and evil it became difficult for us to really distinguish between the two um because the lies

of the evil one are so uh good and so when you think about the connection to that well okay that's my transformation my sanctification if you will my sanctification is that i'm progressively freed from the power and the grip the sin has it for my life. Well, how did I do that? Well, I start to be able to understand and see what's good and what's evil, so the things that used to have power of me don't. Why? Because now I know that I see them for what they are. Reality, illumination, light. Well, then what's the connection to worship? Well, that's actually to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice. That's your spiritual act of worship. But then you go back right to John chapter four. Well, where do we worship at? She says, on the mountain where our people worship are in Jerusalem. And Jesus says,

I'm here to tell you that the time has now come. In fact, is now here that you'll need to worship me on that mountain nor in Jerusalem. Now the Father wants people who will worship in truth and spirit. And so that idea that God's going to send his spirit to live in us. And in us, we will become a spring. There will be a spring inside of us welling up to eternal life. That's the spirit. So everything kind of coincides here. Everything that we're teaching about the kingdom, everything that we're teaching about the temple, our bodies being the temple of the Holy Spirit. That, it's all

about the transformation. And I think it's a good message for the world right now, which is so divided in so many possible ways. But like, we all have to come into the conversation with at least saying, I could be wrong. And I probably am wrong in a lot. But it's the spirit in our alignment with the spirit that will transform us over time

to where we can actually have these things that we later find out from Paul are really what we're looking for, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control against such things there is no law. And that's the goal. That's the goal of the transformation is to get out from under law and into covenant relationship and to live inside covenant relationship. Well, why? Well, because the inner nature of God is a relationship that's unadulterated, and that's what we're being grafted back into. That's what we're being transformed back into. I think that's what Romans 8 is all about. Yep. I agree.

He says, when he says, therefore, there's now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Because through Christ Jesus, the law of the spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. And he goes on to say, when he gets to verse 5, he starts talking about the mind set on what the nature desires versus those who live in accordance with the spirit, they have their mindset or controlled some translations say. So I looked up that Greek word, which is basically a mindset. It's like the same verse is used when it says your attitude to be that of Christ Jesus and Philippians too, who did not consider equality with God's unto be grass, but made himself nothing.

But your mindset should, it's all over the New Testament. But it is a relational. And when you think about the transformation that happens in the new creation, kind of like what I read in Ephesians 4, where you have this idea of, you know, Jesus entered this world to save us. He showed who he is. He dies on a cross.

He's raised. You know, we surrender to him and, you know, reenact that death, of burial and resurrection. He gives us his spirit. And then we become a new creation. Well, the reason I'm bringing up creation, because when you think, well, what is the spirit, which we haven't really discussed, which would be a hard thing to explain? And I've seen people explain it, like, you know, put your hand in front of you and breathe, you know, because the spirit is sometimes depicted as. Like wind?

breath or wind or fire. But I think when you go back to Genesis 1, the first two verses, and you see the earth was formless and empty. It says chaos or darkness was over. And the Holy Spirit was hovering over the waters. And then God said, let there be light. And boom, you know, creation. Order happens.

creation starts. And the Holy Spirit was involved. And you're like, is that the same spirit that's coming inside of us? And I'm like, yes. Because when you make the spiritual application to what happened in the physical creation, the emptiness, darkness, chaos, you know, in our lives, I think it, I think it makes sense. And so when I, when I, when I, I saw that transformation, that's what I thought. I thought, you know, God created the earth. He created everything. And then we had this transformational element.

But the more I got to thinking about it, I thought, well, what is air? And so I Google, and I want to read this to you because I found this fascinating. I told you all hadn't, I didn't have anything to offer today, but now I'm fixed to read. I thought this was fascinating. I knew there was a rabbit hole somewhere in there. AI generated answer into my question. Let me see what exactly what my question was. Where did air come from?

That's what I asked. Because I'm thinking this breathing... This is a throwback to fail. This is something like that. Well, you remember John 3 is like the Holy Spirit. It's like the wind. You see the strength. The breath, he breathed on them and they received the Holy Spirit.

He breathed in. It was hovering over the waters. Right. This, whatever this wind was. It was like a dove descending on him. Like a dub. Yeah, like a dove. Whatever that meant.

And so listen to this definition. This is not a Christian-generated definition. You heard the question, where did air come from? All right. So allow me to read this. Air on earth originated from the gases present when the solar system formed and was later transformed. by geological processes and life.

Did you get that? I got that. That sounds like they stole that from the biblical narrative. They just don't focus who formed it and who transformed. It made me think, and the more I read, now look, it's a lot more than that. And they get into it, and I don't declare to be a scientist. But at some point, you know, the question will become. Who actually formed that?

Where did these gases come from? These kinds of questions. But I thought that was fascinating that people who don't even believe in God, they basically said when life happened, it transformed the atmosphere. So our air became better. And I'm like, what if life came first, this spirit giving life through a declaration? and then the transformation of the atmosphere happened. They just have the cart before the horse.

But isn't that something that even if you weren't a believer, they can't get around to something being formed and transformed so that life could exist? Another reason why it's difficult when you ask the question. We do have to ask the question that we would say what is it? we would say who is he according to scripture the the spirit has a pronoun and the pronoun is not it because that would be a pronoun that would refer to a not like to an impersonal entity and so that that that's what's so complex about it because i think that you know this conversation is that like christ is talking about a person that he's going to send not a force not simply a uh a it's a

We use the word holy ghost, and when I grew up, that was the word you'd use the holy ghost. But we are talking about a person. We are not talking about an impersonal force or energy that enters into a space. I mean, this is an actual person that will live in us. That is probably the most profound thing, because what he says, he didn't say when the spirit comes, it will glorify me. And John 1614, what does he say?

He will glorify me, for he will take what is my. mind and declare it to you. All that the father has is mine, therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. So what you're seeing in the very nature of God is you're seeing three persons, three centers of consciousness. And you think, what does that mean? Well, you sit and you try to, are you aware of yourself? Like, we're aware of ourselves. So there's three centers of self-awareness inside the Godhead and Christ is sending you a person. So whatever transformation that the Spirit's bringing, which you mentioned it at the very beginning of the scriptures, that is a, that is a transformation that is in line with the will of the Father. So the Father has a will

that is being implemented. This is not random. There's no, even the transformation of our own hearts, the transformation of our own desires. That's intentional. There's an intentional direction. And that's what I think you see when you look at the freedom that we experience in Christ. the reason why I experience freedom is because through the spirit, our wills are realligned to match and align up with the will of the Father. Another way of saying that is our affections are reordered. Our desires are re-indexed. What we want changes to be what God wants. And as you walk in the spirit and submit to the Spirit, you come in line with what he wants. And so that line from the Westminster Confession

or the Greater Catechism that basically says that the chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever. So the enjoyment of God is not on a different track with glorifying Him. In the Spirit, these two things come together. And so now all of a sudden, living for Christ, submitting to the Spirit,

it's not a buzzkill at all. Living by the Spirit. No, it actually, this is the good. life, glorifying God is the good life, but you can never understand that in your natural state. In your natural state, in your sinful state, you can't understand the things of the spirit. You can't understand the wonderful things that God is prepared for those who love him, but through the spirit, he has revealed them and is revealing them to us to the extent that we submit to him. Zach, we're tracking.

We may play phone tag all day, but we're tracking today. If you think me and Jace are always disagreed, we agree on the essentials. You ready for my next AI search that I did? Yeah. I went to fire. Here's what I typed in. What is fire? Real deep.

The, this is not, I didn't make this up, I didn't know Zat was just fixed to say what he just said. You ready? The fire triangle, and there's a little picture of a triangle. sound familiar hang on let your mind think about that we have a triangle which what is a triangle there's three sides here the fire triangle illustrates that for a fire to start and be sustained you need a fuel so in parentheses they have a burnable material material i'm thinking the word became flesh. He became perishable.

Next, you need oxygen, which is from the air. Ooh, we've already gone through that. Sounds like a spiritual component. And you need a

heat. In parentheses, an ignition source. Ooh. In the beginning, God, created, I think I found the source. I feel like I'm dealing

with three persons here, just getting the definition of fire from artificial intelligence that is not giving a Christian angle to this. When these materials are present, the heat

causes the fuel to break down into hot gases which react with the air, producing the flames, heat, and the light we see. Just throwing that out there. Isn't amazing?

I keeps coming back as I talked about earlier, this idea of what you see in the creation, the revelation. I mean, Jay, they just keep going back to it. So here's my point in bringing this up. Either John was the greatest physicist, scientists, biologists, whatever ologists you want to stick on there.

A first century commercial fisherman, by the way. How is he using these analogies of just air, breath, fire in the Bible way back then when we didn't have artificial intelligence? So is he just, was he just getting lucky? Or 2,000 years later, when you're just reading basic definitions of the things we take for granted, do you not see some kind of godly component to who he is and what's been created? That's pretty. Yeah. Well, I think, and I think that when you,

the analogy is always kind of fall apart until you, because they, they can take you so far, but then you're also like, but God's a different kind of fire. And when you were saying that, and you read that definition, I could not help but think of the burning bush.

And I'm like, you have God in a burning bush, but the Bible says the bush was not being consumed. Yeah, he's his own fire. He's his own fire. So God, the fire that God is, he doesn't need, he doesn't need any material

he just burns the flame is eternal it's an eternal flame on a bush that's not needing the bush to fuel its fire which is like a fire that just burns without any fuel I mean what is what is that

who is that that's God but then the Bible also says that God is an all-consuming fire so in one sense the fire doesn't need anything to consume to burn but in the other sense he says, don't come any closer, Moses.

Take off your sandals. Because the ground you're standing on is holy ground. I'm thinking, who is this God that we serve? Right? Yeah. He only had to tell him that once. That's true. He got the invitation on Mount Sinai.

He got the invitation. You could come up, but you better talk about us to stop. Don't come any further. That's where the phrase was invented without it being recorded. There's a God and I'm not him. Exactly. And if you get anywhere in the end, you'll glow, you'll literally, your face will glow. Well, we're almost out of time, but this is

fascinating because it is what Jesus is telling the disciples that now they're going to be those witnesses to go out. In other words, now you're going to take this from me as I've taken from the Father and given to you. And I've always looked at it like the clarity that you need is just look at yourself. You say, is the spirit real? Is your spirit real? Yeah. I mean, you have, you have one. And to sum it up, do you realize this is living inside of you? Exactly. Just as yours is. So anyway, more to pick up.

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