Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1181 | Uncle Si & Miss Kay Find Laughter Even Amid Their Health Struggles

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

When Jase answers a late-night call from Uncle Si in the hospital, he’s treated to Si’s most unhinged comedy act ever. Miss Kay faces her own health struggles with the same laughter and faith that have carried her through decades of life with Si. The guys reflect on the power of God’s name and the dramatic scene of Jesus’ arrest. Jase connects the dots from the burning bush to the garden, showing how the great “I AM” still meets us in every moment. In this episode: Exodus 3, verses 13–15; John 17, verses 1–26; John 18, verses 1–8; Zechariah 14, verse 9; Deuteronomy 6, verse 4; Isaiah 45, verse 5; John 14, verse 9; Revelation 1, verse 8 Chapters 00:00-08:18 Miss Kay Health Update 08:19-15:09 Uncle Si Gives Jase a Comedy Show 15:10-25:44 The Dramatic Scene of Jesus’ Arrest 25:45-35:09 Moses, a Burning Bush & Holy Ground 35:10-43:33 What Is God’s Name? 43:34-50:44 God Shows the Wonders of His Power 50:44-57:07 Zechariah’s Prophecy — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Are we rolling? We're opening with crickets. We can't even have a conversation before the podcast without Zach dropping some words. I was telling about one of my old heroes, Russ Limbaugh, and then Zach drops in. What was the word he said, catechized. When I heard that, I thought, that has something to do with cats.

Was one of my initial. But no, tell us what it is. I'm not looking it up. I know what a catechism is. Now you want, I have to look it up because I'm like, I'm going to probably butcher the definition. But the context that I said it was... When you use word that you have to look up later, that's what I'm saying, that. Well, you know what a catechism is, right?

Yeah, it's like... I don't even want to speculate. Just tell us that. I've you ever heard of the shorter or the greater catechism, which is their condensed versions of the Westminster Confession or the Catholic Church, you have the catechism. It's essentially that when you're catechized, it's like you're learning the doctrines of the faith.

You're learning, like you're... Oh, that's a religious word? Yeah, it is a religious word. But Zack used it out of context. Well, maybe it wasn't content. Yeah, we weren't talking about... We were talking about a political figure, but I guess you could be catechized.

Is that catechized? Catechized. You could be catechized in a philosophy as well, just like a political philosophy? Or is it got to... Well, we were talking about Rush Limbaugh, which I lived... I mean, back in college,

and really, when I was a sales rep, I listened to... Oh, I was a ditto head. I listened every day. I love Rush. I mean, it was like... It's back to talk radio, which you know now,

our podcast is like the new talk radio of those days. I mean, not just obviously politics. There's a lot of political podcasts. But that's what podcast is. what podcasts to me, Zach, are now. They're like a next generation of that where people get their information, don't know what you think about. I mean, I was always, every single. It actually, yeah, it actually means to teach orally or to instruct by word of mouth. Oh, yeah, so it could be

any, so I'm listening to this guy, catacate a catacate. Well, I've been Jesus sized, and that's as far as I'm going. The Holy Spirit helps me to speak. So, Jay, Sunday school would be to catechize your children, you're teaching them the word, the truths of the Christian faith. It's the process of discipleship. He's never going to get off this kind of stuff. Well, we open with crickets today. Well, I'll tell you what I did.

I'll give you a little, what they call in this. the production people, the cold open. I'm not sure what that was, and I apologize for Zach, for even bringing that out. Before you do that, we do have to give a shout out to our friends over at Family Research Council. We do, Zach. They invented the word?

No. Oh. No, Zach and I were just talking about it. Like, there's organizations out there, family research council is one of those, and our good friend Tony Perkins is the one that runs it. He's from Louisiana. just a tremendous man, but it's just the front line kind of guy.

And so just every once in a while, we want to give these people some shoutouts, and we want to do that for Tony and FRC. So if you want to help these guys, check them out. FRC.org slash Unashamed is where you go to support them. But just check out what they're doing. I mean, they are the front line in terms of family. So great guys. So last night, I laughed for 30 minutes.

And it was pretty late. And when's the last time you've laughed for 30 consecutive minutes? I laughed a lot yesterday with Willie. I laughed last night. As a matter of fact, I haven't laughed as hard as I laughed last night. Were you all talking to each other when you were laughing? No, we weren't. I didn't see Zach.

Oh, okay. Zach wasn't afford to this. No, but it's just weird you asked that because I did have a moment last night about 7.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And I think I laughed for probably. down to the minute. I mean, it may not have been 30 minutes, but I mean, I laughed. You barely laughed.

Are you going to share that? Yeah, what, what happened? Can you share it? While your laughing might have been funnier than while I was left. I don't think I could share it with you because it was my brother-in-law, Ben. I'll tell you the context. I won't tell you what he was in. Maybe you just need to repent.

Maybe we need some confession is what we did. He had built these, I don't know, like, who does this, but he had had all these memes. What did he have again? Memes. You know what a meme is, right? Remind me. Have you been catechized in me? Oh, my goodness. I feel like he's from a different country. You know what I mean? He has all these memes.

Memes. It's pictures. It's pictures of like... It's what they send you on the phone. Oh, well, maybe he does need to repent. So he had made all these memes of like inside jokes about things that had happened in our family. And he just kept putting it on the screen. And they were so hilarious. One of them, I will tell you. Oh, I see.

So when somebody sends me a picture. Oh, I've sent those before. That's a meme. That's a meme. That's a meme. Miming? Yeah, you're meem. Is it?

Can you make that a verb? Miming? I don't, yeah, the meme. I don't know. Maddie says, yes. We need somebody. You'll find, you might find one of these funny. I won't tell you all.

You would actually find all of them funny. I want to see them when I get up there. Oh, you. I'm heading your way. I'm not going to laugh just because I'm so frustrated after I got catacized. Into me. You would laugh. Some of them have to do with adjacent people we know.

One of them was a guy who he would act like Phil. And he would, you know, Phil had this way of like, if you hung around him long enough to start talking like him. He would produce people that tried to mimic him. Yes. He did that a lot. So there was one guy that he came in to do a presentation. for Ben and he pulls out his computer and he gives a full-scale PowerPoint, like very nice presentation. But he was one of the, I'd say, you know, he'd taken on Phil's personality.

And as he's given this, like, elaborate presentation that he had built on PowerPoint, this is back when PowerPoint was kind of, it was, I mean, now it's kind of old school, but like back then it was. I know. I'd still use it. And I'm like a dinosaur in the industry. Well, he's clicking through and something happens. And the guy's like, hey, let's face it, boys. I ain't no computer man, which is something that Phil would say. Yeah, that's right. But Ben was like, but you do in fact have a computer and you're doing a present case. And you're actually presenting on a computer.

You are in fact a computer man. I think he's saying that because if it doesn't go good. Yeah, then he can say. It was just funny. We all laughed about it. And so then shortly after that, we had a big barbecue down at Phil's house. and this guy I mean he got a play to meat

I'm talking about like it was ribs it was I mean it was just a pile of meat and so the pitcher one of the memes was was our friend with this plate of meat and the catcher was let's face it boys I ain't no meat man so he was like putting the opposite

yeah that was clever it was like that one after another and I literally I was I split the gut last Ben is very clever. Ben Atkins. That's Zach's brother-in-law. So, you know, yesterday we were visiting my mom and, you know, keep praying for her.

She's struggling. It's a struggle. And it's been a struggle since my dad. Yeah. And then she kind of had a hell setback about, what, six weeks ago. Yeah. She had surgery. And it's really been tough since then.

Well, that's the problem. It's, you reach a certain age. It's hard to bounce back, you know. Well, Sommel. simultaneously, you know, while we were there, you know, I get a call, and they said, well, Sa was in the hospital. And I was like, oh, my goodness, what's happening here? And Willie's like, because mom was like, well, what's wrong with Sa?

And Willie was like, you are getting old. So anyway. So I checked through Saa's assistant because Sa, he doesn't have a cell phone or anything. There's no way to get it. How are we doing? What's the problem? He's like, well, I mean, it's the same concept. He had some kind of infection, just like what we would call the crud.

But for Sa, you know. Since he has COPD, anything like that is amplified. Yeah, amplified. And so he went to the doctor, but they sent him to the hospital because they're like, your oxygen level is too low. Yeah. And so I was checking on him. Well, about 10.30 last night, it's size assistant calling me.

But I thought, this is weird. He didn't call me at 10.30 at night. You're thinking something's happened. Well, right. So I answered the phone. Well, it was sigh. And I think they had given him either too much oxygen or some medication. Because from that moment, from 1030 to 11, I never stopped laughing.

He just starts mid-conversation. and just goes in like you've been talking to him for all night. It was like we just bumped into each other. And I would throw in an occasional question like, sir, are you in the hospital? And he's like, yeah. And I was like, I was trying to like check on him. Like, well, where did you get this illness? And he was like, well, I told you about that panther.

And I was like, I don't want to. No, you have it. You know. And he's like, member? I was like, yeah, you've been talking about panther. for 40 years. And he says, he goes into this story about he thought he had run up on a pack of Panthers when they went hunting until season.

It wasn't like he was making this stuff up. I was like somewhere in between the oxygen boost. Yeah. Him being in the hospital, which I think when you're nervous, because it reminds you, because he kept mentioning like kind of morbid thoughts, you know. Oh, they got them in the hospital. They didn't give up on me, you know. Yeah.

And so he said he run up on these, he thought it was a pack of Panthers when they went teal hunt, which I'm like, I heard about y'all's hunt. They didn't. It was a strikeout. And it turned out to be a good pass for you, did. And I thought, yeah, yeah, because I was supposed to go. Well, he asked it. He said, how did you know? How did you?

He was hollering, you know, and I was like, side. Can you imagine the people on that hospital floor? Because everybody on the whole hall was hearing him. Well, in the background, I could hear his assistant. Just rolling it, you know. But he run up on this, he thought it was Panthers, which probably means they drove by, and there was a mama bear in two cubs,

which I've got confirmation on that. That actually happened. But he told me all that story. And then we got back on the Panthers, and he's like, you need to get off that. I have proof. And we got into, did you get it off the Internet? And he's like, no, I can't even.

I'm trying a computer on. I was like, no, no, no. I was like, somebody just posted on X the last three days because it came to me because it's like, and to your X account, it said, Cy was right. It's a picture of a black, but it's, but it's, somebody sent that to me. But it's been proven fault. That's not even, then they have the little reader ad on. It's like, this is not a true picture.

But Cy's assistant showed him that. Yeah. And so now he's like, boys, we got it. Yeah. And I was like, that came from the internet. Yeah, exactly. It's not true. And, uh, so.

Anyway, that was good. I checked on to you this morning. They're probably going to let him out today. Yeah, we've been kind of, that's been kind of running. It's, and you almost have to, like, you know, when your mind begins, there's almost like an acceptance of that mom was laughing yesterday at times, you know. But then at other times it's like sad. So I don't know. It's a tough call.

It's not easy to get out. It's tough, but, you know, his assistant sent me in text and said he has not said 10 words all day. and all of a sudden he wanted to call you. So something he got energized. And he just popped out of a hospital bed and went a 30-minute speech that if he would have done that as a stand-up comedian. It would have been hilarious. And then he was like, I appreciate you calling to check on me. And I was thinking, you call me.

And he was like, it made me fail better. And I was like, no, you actually made me feel better. And I wasn't even, I didn't know I was feeling bad. But, boy, it was nice to laugh for 30 minutes. But somebody on the podcast was fussing at me. It may have been Angie Claus and her friend at A.m. She was fussing at me for saying on the podcast. And now that I'm 60 years old, I use the baseball analogy that Psy and Mom were either on deck and at the plate.

I don't know which one is first, but I'm in the hole. You know, I was like, this is the way it goes. this is the traditional lineup. And she was like, you shouldn't say that. And I was like, it's true. I came about six inches on the way up here from not being here. And I'm stopped at a stop sign with enough space where it's, I'm no danger. But some young woman who had her head about two inches from her phone was just headed toward me.

you know, and I was trying to put it in reverse, but she looked up at the last second. I mean, driving way too fast, you know. I mean, right there will we pull out of our neighborhood. Oh, yeah. Cveering, careening. So I thought, at any moment, you know, it only takes that and you're crossed over.

Becky got ran off the road on our road by somebody texting, and they had drifted over into her lane. And she saw, and they were going 40 miles an hour, and so she ran off into the ditch. hitch and to work her up. My point is we're all on deck. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. So last night I'm studying, I got, Zach, I got Jason notes here. You noticed I didn't even send notes last night because we're doing all these podcasts in a row. I just didn't have time. And the Dodgers came up. I thought I was influencing you. No, well, you did. And so I.

Where did you get the, where did you get the screenshots you sent? I meant to ask you that on that. So that was out of, that was out of Charles Windall's book on John. But I thought it was really rich. And so I'm studying for 18, and then I get here this morning, so I have all my handwritten notes, because normally I put them on a thing and send them out to everybody. And then I get here, and Jay said, well, we're going backwards.

Well, Jay's got, he didn't make it, finish his point in some past podcast, so we've got to go back before we get to 18. I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll compromise. But we need to go back anyway and set it up. Yeah, we're in John 17. And what's happened is, I think I told Al this before we start. If you were ever going to bog down somewhere in your Bible study.

Yep. I will say, I'm thinking about this before I say it, I would say John 17 is one of the top three places to bog down. It is an outstanding. In fact, when Dallas was on, he kept calling it the priestly prayer. And I've seen that in some scholars too, you know, because this kind of, and then Entiret talked about it too. excellent point because think of all the Hebrew references in the book of Hebrews about Jesus being our high priest. I mean, here he is. Well, and I had never thought about it. Jays, until last night I was into 18, that there's all these showdowns with the former high priest and then the son-in-law who

is the high priest. Oh, that's exactly what I was headed. All that was just right there. Everything's like an opposite, which I really didn't realize this until I just kept reading John 17 and John 18. and how God cleverly, that's not a strong enough word. Yeah. Providentially, I don't know, whatever, however you want to describe. Supernaturally, yeah.

What God is doing. It's like he's almost creating the very opposite scene of what he's representing, where if you read it, it's like when you read, I gave this illustration, I think,

a couple podcasts ago, but when you have the king of the Jews in three different language, languages on a sign on the cross, even though the powers were kind of making a mockery of that. Yeah. If you just went back in... The Romans were making fun, and then the Jews didn't want it on them. Remember, they were like, don't put that on this. So in reality, although their motivation was mockery. Yeah.

it was God's way of saying, here's the king of the Jews. Yeah, and the Gentiles. And even, so you give a spreadsheet of like Jesus going through all these trials and all the accusations. Because we're familiar with the court system, and John has laid this out in a kind of a courtroom setting. Because he keeps talking about witnesses, lights, verdict. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so, but as you look at it, what you realize is that he is innocent. I mean, he didn't do anything. And even in his speech, he's like, I haven't said anything in secret. I just look at what I said. As they're talking to him in secret. And despite all that,

this thing quickly escalates where he goes from being arrested, interrogated, beaten, and now he's the highest form of capital punishment. I mean, he's going to be crucified in such a short period of time, although pretty much everybody agreed there's no basis. There's other than blaspheming God because he claimed to be God and everything he said, no one could actually refute. Right.

So it gives you a picture of... And that's my point, that Jesus is innocent. Yeah. It's like God, in a clever way, showed you that him being innocent would be, by his death, would actually be innocent blood for the guilty. Yep. It's just crazy how all that works. And even I noticed in his book, NT Wright, painted this beautiful picture of this,

and we've talked about on the podcast already, but that the garden, they were going into when we get to 18 is this recreation of you're talking about flipping things around of everything that happened in the Garden of Eden all the way back to genesis two and three and we've made that point we did make that point and we'll continue to make it so there was a couple of things i wanted to bring up just from john 17 before we get into it into 18 but what i said on the compromise is when we get to john 18 and the soldiers come up you know judas is leading this band. And I'm like you out.

This scene, when I read John 18, you said, you know, it makes you angry. I was angry last night. And I feel kind of the same way, just disturbed. I'm like, I can't believe this is happening. I mean, when you just read the actual narrative of how Jesus was betrayed and how this could happen in our society. And I learned something from it last night I didn't know,

researching that that that uh detachment of so that's 480 people so so they guesstimated the stuff i was reading guesstimated that was they sent 600 people to get him once you throw in all the people from the from the temple and you got to remember it's dark so what do they have i mean 600 people and there's one guy and 11 decides scared disciples you know and they didn't have uh you know flashlight. They had lanterns and you just get this setting of you're out in the woods. Yeah. Garden-like atmosphere here. And here comes this mob. This guy is literally God in human form. Yeah. Has done nothing but help society. Even from a political angle, I mean, he's great for

health care. He's healing people's diseases. These people that are demonic. He's dealing with that. I mean, you're just talking about cleaning up your society. That's right. You don't have to send the National Guard. Just sending Jesus. And wow. Look, all these issues, he's helping the poor. People that have made mistakes, he's getting their lives turned around.

Turning tax collectors around. I mean, just think about it. He's like trying to get these religious people lined out, you know, because they're just misrepresenting all the things that they're misrepresenting. But there was a couple things that came to my mind is because when they come up there at him in verse 4, you know, and Jesus knowing all that was going to happen, you got to remember, Judas didn't realize all that was fixed to happen. Right.

Which I think is an important point to keep in mind. And he's like, who is it you want? Jesus of Nazareth, they replied. And maybe he just asked them that because he wanted them to acknowledge. It say the name. Yeah, and say the name. And then he's like, I am he. So this whole book has had I Am as one of the references that Jesus continued to make.

And in John 17 in that prayer, when he brought up the name, and there's two things I wanted to bring up. The idea of being one, and when he brought up the name, let's see. While you're looking that up, 1712 says, why I was with them, I protected them, and kept them safe by that name you gave me, which was interesting because that's about to happen in this scenario. You know, he says, let them go. I don't know why I put 17-6 there.

I guess that the name's in there somewhere in the Greek. It's in 11 and 12. Yeah, I know it's in 11 and 12, but I have it as being used in John 176, so it's in there somewhere. Yeah. Oh, I see where it says I revealed you. Yeah. So I have revealed your name. That's why when you look up the Greek references, you get every time it's said.

And he also, remember in 1626, where he's like, anything you ask in my name, he was telling the disciples. So we did a little bit of this, but it's 176, 1711, 1712, and then 1726 says, which is the last verse, I have made your name known to them and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them. I know we went over a little bit of this on a podcast, but I felt like I didn't do a very good job. So I went back and looked at my notes. And I wanted to go through this again. So, because here's why. You remember also in John 17, where he talks about this idea.

of setting them apart, being holy as he was sent from heaven, set apart. The idea of holiness being set apart for a mission. For a sacred use. Well, I found this interesting. I discovered this last night. You know the first time the word holy is brought up in the Bible? I do not. Zach?

I don't know that. Well, this is going to be exciting there. Exodus chapter 3. Now. Oh, about the first. Holy Ground? You're standing on Holy Ground? First time it's brought up.

Now, isn't this something? Isn't this? And that's the first time you see the I am as well. So with the name, and that's why I wanted to revisit this, because I left this out last time. I did a very poor job, and I apologize. I was distracted. Because when I went and looked at my-

It was probably Zach's ball. My notes, I was like, oh, I missed this. I should have done better. But you got Genesis 2-3, though. I just fact-checked you. So God bless the Seventh-day and made it holy. Okay. Probably a different word.

But maybe. Well, I mean, as it relates to people. Yeah. So, because Moses was then going to, he was commissioning Moses. Right. To represent him in front of kings. And there was a job to do. So he made, he made it holy.

He set it apart the day. Yeah. Because that was the Sabbath principle, right? Is that where you were in it? Yeah. Yeah. So good. catch, but I'm just saying as far as people are concerned, it's brought up in this conversation

with Moses. So I want to go there, because I know we read that when we were talking about the name, but we missed a couple things. So if you go to Exodus 3, and I don't know if we want to review what we said last time about the name, like it represents the presence of God. But if you read this carefully, God seemingly didn't want to reveal the name. Now, I listened to a lecture. This guy's name is Richard Balkam. I'm sure you can find it. It's a tough listen.

This guy is deep. And he's not a preacher. He's more of a theologian. Yeah, a theologian slash teacher. And he broke this passage down. But it was so exciting by the time I got to the end. I was like, I got to share this. So when you get to the conversations, I mean the conversation that happened, so this is 311.

But Moses said to God, who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt? And God said, let's just go back and read this. Trust me, this is going to be worth it. So chapter 3, verse 1, Moses was tend to the flock, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness, came to the mountain of God, there the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. And Moses saw that the bush was on fire.

It did not burn up. Moses thought, I'll go over and see this strange sight why the bush doesn't burn up. And you got to remember, of all the illustrations or scenes in the Bible, Bible, this is pretty significant and different. Just think about all the things that happen in the Bible. We have a bush that catches on fire, and it won't burn up. Which breaks the law of thermodynamics, right? I mean, this is going to be an important point to what I'm saying. It's a self-generating fire.

The fire doesn't need anything outside of itself. We're headed in the right direction. So when the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush. So when you see the angel of the Lord appearing in the flames, that is like God's representation. It's the Lord. I mean, he's going through the angel speaking or however you want to get there. But this is God speaking in a bush that won't burn up. All right. And so he says from the bush, Moses, so he uses his name.

And Moses said, here I am, which is going to be funny. Don't come any closer. God said, take off your sandals for the place you are standing is holy ground. So that's why I said it's the first time in this relationship. Yeah, related to it. to a human. And even today, this started where people take their shoes off. It started a custom.

And another custom is that God's name as it's revealed, I will be what I will be, or I am what I am. People don't want to say that because out of reverence on who's God, God's name is, and you have the actual deal with the sandals, which I do think it's interesting that when you fast forward to John 17 and he talks about being holy and set apart, if you go back to John 13, here's Jesus washing the feet of the disciples.

I mean, this can't be a coincidence. As far as beginning in this new creation, what this represents here, which whatever, however you want to make, what sandals represent, here, but on why he wanted him to take his sandals off. I think it represents Genesis chapter 3 when they make coverings. And so they make a covering because of their sin, and then what God's saying is,

actually, I'm going to cover you. And so when you come before God, you don't come with any of your own man-made covering. So on X's 3. Or earth-made covering, you know, or earthly. Yeah, I think there's something. to that, or you're not trying to use something from the earth for protection, and it collects dirt and it makes that Romans 10 passage pop now, doesn't it? He says, how beautiful are the feet of those that bring good news? Yeah, great point. Great, great point. Because it's relying on God's power,

which is where we're going. But what Balcom did that impressed me, he's like, I'm paraphrasing what said. But we're all trying to figure out what the name is. There all is a controversy about don't say the name. So even in the translation of the Hebrew scriptures, they just started putting the Lord. They translated the Lord, which was not his exact name, but since they didn't want to show irreverence, it became this title, the Lord, which, look, I didn't realize is in the Old Testament almost 7,000 times. The Lord, the Lord, the Lord, the Lord. That's not the name.

That's like, that's the title of the name. Here's where this got good, because he's like, you know, when you look at the conversation, it seems like, since God responded three different ways that he didn't want to give his name. Now, Balcom's point was, the reason that happened is because you can't. give God a name. Because by giving a name, you've now limited who he is. Just think of our name.

You are what you are, and you have limitations, and we even use that, you know, like we did with my dad, Wallago. We used Phil's name. He was trapped into that, his ways and how he is. So, Malcolm's point is, if you read the conversation and you skip down to verse 13, Moses said to God, who am I that I? should go to Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt, because now God has this special purpose for him. He's got a mission. Who am I? Now, we know that God is going to supply the power,

but Moses not real sure how that's going to happen. We would all respond with that vulnerability and humility. And those first four verses you read, that's four verses that equaled 40 years of him being in the world. So Moses is not exactly confident he can pull this up. But God said, So he answers three ways, and you have to put them all together to see Balcom's point, which he didn't make this up. He got this from the text. I'd never notice this is what I'm saying. So he responds three ways.

I will be with you. So think about the question. Moses said, well, who am I that I should go? Well, then God said, I'll be with you. Or I am with you. I will be. This is where we're getting the idea of God. naming himself because he's like,

I am, I will, I will be with you. What are you worried about? Yeah. And so this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you. That's why I brought up the holy aspect,

because you fast forward to John 17, as the father sent me, I'm sending you. We have a moment, a burning bush moment here. And then, when you have brought the people out of Egypt, you will worship God on this mountain. Moses said to God, well, suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them,

the God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they asked me, what is his name? Then what shall I tell them? Well, he doesn't really answer the question. But we just assume that whatever this is, God said to Moses, I am who I am. What kind of name is that?

And Balkan made a good point. He's like, the reason Moses is asking that because everybody had a God and everybody's God had a name. He's like, how are we going to, how am I going to differentiate you from all these other God? So what is your name? Because the people in the Israelite nation, which is not even a nation yet, are in the most multi-idolatrous nation that's ever, I mean, the Egyptians had a God for everything. So what I'm saying? Exactly.

So or, and they, and Zach brought this up last time we talked about this, the scholars have determined the better translation is, I will be what I will be. Yeah. What was the thing we got, Zach? I will be there. I will be there. That's another way. However, yeah.

Well. But it is, what, it's interesting because it is tied to the presence that the word holy, because I went and looked this up, it's actually. the first time it's mentioned in reference to a place. And then if you read through Exodus, you actually get to the point where Moses is essentially like, even the promised land is pointless without the presence. So what makes the place holy is the presence of God.

So you see presence and place kind of connecting here, which I think is when we get to John 17. Great point. I think when he defines eternal life in John 17, verse 3, that's what you're seeing. And I also think it's connected with the name because notice how he says in John 173 that eternal life is that you know the one true God.

But he didn't end it with that. He says, and Jesus Christ's son whom he sent. I think the addition of Jesus in that text there is that, to your point, Jase, the name, Yahweh, I don't even think they said it. I remember going to Hobby Lobby, and I think it was with you and they showed us those Esther scrolls.

And I think they told us that they didn't even put, like, in their tradition, they wouldn't even, they just admit the, it's a blank spot. Because they're like, the name's too holy. We're not going to say the name. But what you get in Jesus is you actually get the name of God incarnate now, because the only way that we can access this being that's so other than is if he condescends and actually does take on a name. And so that's when you get to the New Testament. It's at the name of Jesus. There's no other. name under heaven, which men can be saved, you start to see the elevation of the name of Jesus Christ. Okay, I'm going to get there. We're getting there, too.

But don't do it so rapidly. Like, the last verse I have is that Philippians, too. But, well, we hadn't even got to the third response. So now we're at two. First, he said, I will be with you. I am who I am. And then I will be who I will be, or I am who I am. So then God said to Moses in verse 15, after he says,

I am, has sent me to you. Well, then he says, God also said to Moses, say to the Israelites, well, this is significant. The Lord, which is what from this point forward, he will be referred as to Zach's point, the Lord. Yeah. Which gets interesting, because when you get to the New Testament, then Jesus is, just like Zach laid out,

well, people start calling him the Lord. Yeah. It's like, well, wait a minute. What happened? And Jesus never referred to God as the Lord. Yeah, only is the Father. Like we were in the Old Testament. So it starts getting wonky here.

So he says, the Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob has sent me to you. this is my name forever the name you shall call me from generation to generation so so balcom's point was why in the world did god he didn't do this on accident give three different answers all discussed the name and he he actually said it's like he didn't want to give the name because of the limitation that was put on him and he said that's why you've got to realize the way the reason God, look at, it wasn't about you getting the name right.

He said he was giving him a living illustration that was anti-physics on who he is. Go back to the bush. It is burning up. Well, we know everything about fire. I don't know if Moses had a handle on it at that stage of physics. But you have to have fuel. something to burn because it burns that up

and when it runs out of whatever matter there is to burn that's over and then that matter becomes something changed different so he's telling you I decide the very fact of trying to label him

doesn't work you're not contributing anything to who I am if I want a fire if I determine that a fire won't burn up or it doesn't need the combustibles or the matter, I'll just determine that. This is who you're dealing with.

So you're trying to, for me to introduce myself, I just did. That is the introduction. So when you're like, well, how am I going to pull this off? Look back at that bush. So that's why when you get to the resurrection, why is that, why is that? such a surprise. If you can take a fire that's burning,

a bush, and keep it from burning up, but you could also raise a dead body. I mean, you control this. Well, think about it, Jayes. I mean, that was a leading edge. I mean, like, this was just the beginning of the show because then we got a staff that

turns into a snake. We got leprosy that comes and goes. We got ten plagues that, you know, first they could produce a little. And at the end of the day, a whole nation of people, like, because they put some blood on the doorpost, nobody died. And the whole rest of the country, everybody died. Yeah.

I mean, so you're right. I mean, the wonders of this guy who got it. It's like the name is not, it's not dependent on you to figure this out. I got it. The introduction with the bush. And that's why he said, I'm with you. Yeah. Well, you're looking, he's saying, look at that bush.

But you fast forward to us today, you look at where we're headed with this, which is the resurrection, the birth of the new creation. And you're like, oh, no, I mean, we do the same thing. I'm not sure I should go down and speak to these people. What am I going to say? Well, I'll just bring up the name of Jesus. It's bigger than that. It's what you're, the name of God is an illustration.

of he can create matter and destroy it. He can save or destroy it. He can just think. He's so much outside of what we can do. Yeah. And I think it's a better way to look at it. So I wanted to read a few more heading toward John 17. So I put Zachari 14, 8, 9, and now look,

If you do a deep dive into Zacharii, probably are to watch the Bible Project. You know how they summarize these books? Yeah. It's, woof, Zacharias. It's kind of like Revelation. The first eight chapters are, I think, seven dreams. Yeah.

Six or seven dreams. Probably seven. And, but it's using this kind of symbolic language, but throughout all of it, it's a depiction that one day there'll be a new Jerusalem and there's a Messiah coming, a king. I mean, it's pointing to Jesus and what he's going to do. But I thought this Zechari 14, 8, 9 must be read. On that day, living water will flow out from Jerusalem.

Sound familiar? Yep. Thank John 7, you know, the spirit bubbling up. think the New Jerusalem. John Ford, Living Water. Half of it east of the Dead Sea. You remember in Ezekiel kind of has that same deal. It gives life, this representing the spirit to the Dead Sea.

And then verse 9 is where I'm trying to get to. The Lord will be king over the whole earth. Well, there's that the Lord almost 7,000 times, which Jesus is going to be referred to. But just look at that prediction. the Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day, there will be one Lord and his name, the only name. Ooh. But I'm saying when you read John 17, a name, name, name, and one, one.

You keep seeing this, there'll be one. Right. As me and you are one, they'll be one. Yeah. Well, it's predicted in Zechariot, what's he talking about? Right. Why is he bringing up the name? So I think it comes back to Deuteronomy.

This is brought up in, what is it called, the Shama, Deuteronomy? You see the same concept. But that's Zachariah, well, that's a deasy there, wasn't it? For where we're at. Yeah. So, and most people are familiar of this, Deuteronomy 6, 4, and 5. Here, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord, is one. because that's going to come up.

I said, we're going to do something on the name and then the one. Love the Lord of your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your stream. Well, didn't Jesus say that? Exactly. He quoted that. Yeah, these commandments I give to you today to be on your hearts and press them on your children, talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road.

So you have that. Well, then you fast forward to the New Testament. So you go to something like Matthew 121. birth of Christ. Now we're talking about Jesus being born. I had never noticed all these little details. She will give birth to a son and you ought to give him the name Jesus. It means the Lord saves. We'll go back to the Lord almost 7,000 times. Well, here's Jesus. Okay. Then you look at Mary's song, Luke 149, for your name is holy. And now we're going back to holy with Moses. You remember that, Jesus, your name is holy set apart. And that goes back to that burning bush. That's why God gave

three different answers. It's like, you don't understand. I'm apart from the gods. Okay, so now you go to Matthew 6'9, here's where I want to get. So even in Jesus's prayer, think about that prayer and what he's describing. This is going to be really good. Matthew 6. 6.9. Yeah. Yeah, I father and heaven hallowed be your name hallowed be your name and look what it says you're a kingdom come your will be done on earth as it is in heaven yeah so here's the king that you know go back to zacharile 14 brought that up here's the hallowed holy be your name your kingdom come your will be done, which makes that burning bush a lot more interesting now after all this, on earth as it is in heaven, bringing the idea of heaven and earth together. So then I wanted to get to,

we already read all the references in John 17 about the name. All right. Well, then when you get to John 20 and 31, I'm almost down to this rabbit hole. John 20 in verse 31, watch this. You just don't realize where he's using this. These are written that you may believe. And he's talking about the book. The purpose of John writing this, that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah,

the son of God, and that by believing, you may have a life in his name. So where this gets interesting is you think, well, how did Jesus, how did he refer to God? Well, he referred to God mostly as the Father. And there's two different words. The Aramaic word is Abba. And that's even used.

Paul uses that. Right. Or the Greek word, which is, it looks like a parent, paternal. Yeah. So he, like, our father in heaven. But the definition of those two words are interesting. Because the Abba is more intimate and it's like relational. Like with dad, we would say dad.

Like that kind of. Yeah. And the other one is like authority. So look, my whole point is, when you. you get to Acts 2, and they say, everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saying, or they're baptized in the name of Jesus. And I'll finish with this one, which is in 1st Corinthians 6. Because here's, I mean, I thought of Acts 4 too.

When he said, by what name are you doing this? And remember Peter, he goes on the whole thing about, there's salvation that's found the only one. That's Acts 4, right? Yeah, that's a good one. But I want to read this one, 1 Corinthians 8. So look, he says in verse 4, we know that an idol is nothing. There's no God but one.

Well, that goes back to the Deuteronomy. See, for even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or earth, Jesus have prayed, he's going to unite heaven and earth. The kingdom come. Then he says this, 1 Corinthians 8, verse 6. Listen to this. Yet for us, there's but one.

God, the Father, from whom all things come and for whom we live. And there's but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. So isn't that crazy how he brought all that together, which is why he didn't answer Moses' question directly. He's like, we're one, but we're distinct. Yeah, exactly. He was promoting the community of God. And you're right to bring it up here because then Jesus takes that in this beautiful prayer

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