Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 119 | How Phil Started His Podcast and Why You Have Hope Even if You Don't Know It Yet

Episode Date: July 24, 2020

Phil shares the surprising request that led him to launch the Unashamed podcast and tries to figure out the difference between uploads and downloads. And Zach joins Phil and Jase to discuss all things hope: the Scriptures you'll want to read, the biblical definition of hope, loneliness and boredom, living hope, a story about dead carcasses, and why you all have hope even if you don't realize it yet. Pre-order Jesus Politics by Phil Robertson: http://jesuspoliticsbook.com See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're riding along in the airplane, Zach, you are my sister's son, which makes you my nephew, I guess. Yeah, that's how it works. You're my nephew. That's a fact, no guessing. So my nephew's there, and Al, my oldest son, they're on the plane there. He's not here today.

He's at the beach. He's at the beach. He's at the beach. I had spoken somewhere. I'm sitting back toward the back of the plane looking out the window thinking about this and that and the other. And I thought, hmm, something came into my head, I thought. And I thought about it for, we're going for a few hours there. Thought about it for a while.

So I said, hey, Zach and Al was sitting there talking, you know. I said, y'all come back here a minute. While you're on the plane? Why we're on the plane. I'm just riding along here. They came up, they sit in the seat right there by me. You know, I said, boys, I tell you what I want you to do. I said, as you all know, I've never owned a cell phone.

Oh. And I've never clicked on to the Internet. Yeah. Not once. I said, I am, this is a cell-free, computer-free zone that I live in. I said, so here. what you do. I said, that internet I know nothing about,

I said, get me on the thing. But you can't do it when you're on a plane. I just told them. I said, do whatever takes. What's funny is? To get me on, to click me on. I'm giving you permission. But you're at 30,000 feet.

Now, he's saying, like, y'all go, you get me on the internet, not immediately. Like, go, we, we didn't get the message out. I said, I said, what you guys. do is get me on that thing because I hear that. Why don't you get a cell phone? I don't know, but I said, no, I thought that's where this was going. He's saying that what he was saying is I want to get the gospel out on the internet. So he's like, y'all go figure out a way to make that happen. I've been saying that for 15 years. Welcome my boy. I had that thought 15 years ago. I said, figure out how you do that.

Well, here's the here. And get back. It's not as hard as you think. So Jay, so then I figure it out and I come back and say, hey, let's do a podcast. And I give him the whole thing. I thought this happened yesterday. No, no, this is a while back. This is the origins of the podcast. This is how I came to be pontificating via the internet cell phone. You kind of started mid-story, I felt like. No. When I came back to him with the idea, because I was following orders, I said, this is what we're going to do. We're going to do a podcast. Phil was like, no. So I came back two days later, I said that we're going to do an internet Bible study. I'm in. Oh. So that's how it started.

It's all in how you phrase it. But now, he didn't understand the concept because he didn't understand the Internet. I think this is all coming from the other day when we got into this cell phone. And I said, well, do you believe in gun control? It's like, what? I was like, well, if the gun,

if it's the heart of a person, not a gun that we're worried about, wouldn't that apply to cell phones? I don't mind if anybody else has them. I'm happy they do. I know, because that argument is really sound. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's not the actual device.

It's the person, the heart of the person, that is entering or using the device. I still don't use a cell phone and I still don't look, see what's on the Internet and all that. But I'm closer now in that what we're saying together here is going into other people's cell phones. But you do instruct Dan to look on the black box. I don't expect them. When I say, I want to know what the river stage is, Dan, he says. Because you decide to wait for the newspaper to run. Yeah.

That's right. 32.2, the river stage is it at Camden. I go 100 miles north. I said, what is it there? And he gives me an update on the river stage year round. If I want to know about storms, I say, get on the black box and tell me where that storm, when that time is going to come. Well, what you got to remember is, like, I told you this week,

I have a bunch of teenagers. But I never say, Dan, show me some stuff on the internet. Never. Yeah, but he does. He'll walk over and he'll say, check this out. So it can be used for good. And sometimes I look down at it, and as soon as I look down and what he gives me, I said, I don't want to see that. I hand it back to him.

I said, I don't want to see that, Dan. He said, you don't? He said, no, it's just this old girl. She said, I'm not worried about that. I don't want to know what she has to say. Like I said, it's the hard. of a person entering the arena. It is not the cell phone.

You can make it what you want it to be, just like a gun. You can use it for something good or something bad. It's like any, pick anything, a truck. Why is it, I keep thinking most of what I see or hear Dan talking about, he's the one with the box. Yeah.

Most of it, they tell me it's not good. there's so much of it not good I don't want to be part of that program they're just telling because they're doing things on there that are not good yes that's true I've heard that

you have to go there and I've been on the internet I don't want to go there and see a lot of bad going on I just don't want to see it on there 10 years one time something popped up organically

that was like you know bad Nudity. Organically. How did something organically? I don't know. I don't know. I've heard people say that and say, yeah.

Well, I've seen that one time in 10 years that I've been on there. You know, so my point is, okay, there was a virus, whatever, a page popped up. I don't know. But if you are looking at something bad, you purposely clicked on it and went researching and found it. When you're watching something and you see it. on the internet, did you just upload it or did you download it? Upload is when you put something into the internet for other people to see. Download is when you're pulling down.

When the information that you don't particularly desire comes to you, you record it in your mind because you just saw it and heard it. Yeah. Well, I call that. What do you call that? It called that in the Internet world. You upload that information? No, it just, it was downloaded somehow.

Yeah, you just saw it. How did it get in your brain? somebody put it there you know but it's used for good too what are you doing tonight all right you have something tonight that you're done i'm i'm tonight i and i need y'all help me with this i'm speaking to one thousand either freshman or incoming freshman i think at harding oh i thought this was a camp oh no i did that a couple nights ago that was a hundred this is a thousand and what's what here's the deal i didn't know they gave me a title You only have one speech.

Starts with a J, ends with an S. Jesus. All right, thank you. But they gave me a title, which it said, My Hope is not in fame, but in Jesus. So then I thought, oh, they must have asked me, because they deem me famous, because I have a lot of followers on the Internet.

So I guess that's why you told that story. I don't know. but I have never done a lesson on hope, which is kind of sad. Never done it. I mean, and so I started looking, because I found that out today, which I got to speak in like four hours.

You know I went to Harding. I graduated from Harding. Did you really? Yeah. Is that speech coming tonight? Yeah, it's coming in four hours. Was a student, is an impact? How did you get there?

I mean, you're going to fly up? Nope, we're back to the internet. I'm going to, there's a camera. on your computer. All right. And it looks at me. But there's a software provider called Zoom

that basically will launch me to a meeting where everybody else is on, and you see them. So you see it live. What they're going to do is they record this. So I'll only have a few people tonight. But then when their seminar or whatever it's called with a thousand people there,

then it's basically shown to the thousand people. So I don't know if that's virtually with all the coronavirus stuff. But I thought, you know, I guess, I mean, I could give my standard speech, which is an introduction to Jesus. But, you know, every time I'm asked to speak somewhere, the same verse pops in my head because deep down I don't want to speak.

I just see him go to the house, sit on the couch. But since I believe Jesus is real, I think about that verse, first peter three 15 i was just thinking that in your heart set apart jesus christ is lord i've quoted it many times always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who ask you to give the reason wait for it for the hope that you have so but do this with gentleness and respect which is what i always bring up to you i would if you're talking to me about what you would i would remember this yeah i wanted to get your insights on hope we don't have al well uh zaxa

theological heavy weight and you have I don't know who who I've heard this explained about 15 or 20 different ways but I'll tell you what I think because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose Hebrew 6 very clear to the heirs of what was promised now he's going back to Abraham, it says, many nations will be blessed because of you. So many, like sand on the seashore, like the star. So he wanted to make his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised. He confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that by two unchangeable things, and I'll read the rest of it.

I can't lie because I'm God. That's not going to change. My purpose is not going to change. But I can't lie and I am promising you one who cannot lie. And I'm giving you a promise. And the promise is this. It's impossible for God to lie. We who have fled to take hold of the hope offers us.

to us. Maybe greatly encouraged because, look, we have this hope and look for an anchor, meaning you just hold on to the anchor. You're not going, I'm not going anywhere. I can't lie, and I'm telling you, I'm giving you something that you can put your hope in, and it will come true. That's good. Therefore, we have an anchor for the soul.

Look, firm and secure. sure. Well, I do like it. So that text to me says, let me just think now. If a human told you something, and this is what I'm going to do, but you know that all humans are fallible and they can stress the truth sometimes. But also like this. But this case, it's impossible for me to lie, and I'm guaranteeing you, you will live.

Just like I promise. You live forever. I like that he says in 20 that Jesus has become a priest forever. And then in 716, he says he became a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to ancestry, but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. Which sums up, what a line. Which sums up when he talks about the hope, our hope enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain where Jesus,

who went before us, not only was he resurrected, look, he went into the inter-sanctuary behind the curtain. He has entered on our behalf, presence of God. He has become a high priest forever in the order of Melchazadec, and we're part of that. You move into Hebrews 11, right after that,

and I love this line, Jase, because I don't think you can talk about hope unless you talk about faith. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for. It's the conviction of the things that are not seen. So the hope is the promise, but the faith is the assurance of that promise. Let's take a quick break. See, that's what I thought.

When I first heard it and I started looking, I thought it my version says faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. And then I remember Romans 8, you remember when he's talking about, the whole creation has been groaning, waiting for the first fruits to be revealed, and we've grown inwardly. Well, then he says, for in this hope, well, way, he says the redemption of our bodies. Yeah. And our adoption as sons.

But, you know, you kind of think, well, we already are sons. We've already been adopted because we have that assurance of that. And so you're like, well, what does that mean? I mean, because he says for in this hope, we were safe. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. So I guess I was trying to square that thinking,

well, the only thing we don't have is the actual site of Jesus and our new bodies. Yeah. Because we have everything else. That's correct. But we have it through faith, which is what you said. You know, I thought about 1st Peter 1 because it says we were given, what does it say, living hope. We were born again into a living hope. But then it gets down and it says, even though we do not see Jesus, we love him.

Yeah. And even though we don't see him now, we are filled with an inexpressual. and glorious joy. So I guess my question is, hope is a hard thing to define. If you look at the secular, worldly definition, I mean,

it's basically, it doesn't go as far as like, like tomorrow, I'm going frogging for the first time, all right? Well, I hope I catch some. Yeah.

I'm excited because I hope I get some. But that's about as far as the world goes. It's an expectation of something that's going to happen that's positive. But, oh, well, if I don't. Well, I think that's a great point because I think what the church teaches so often is that the biblical hope is that it's

almost like this jumping off of a cliff and you're like, oh, I hope that somebody catches me. And that's not the biblical definition. That's not it. That's not it. I hope this works out. Oh, yeah. No, no, no.

Like it's my last resort. You know, because a lot of times you'll, you know, at the end of a game, you're down, three seconds on the clock, what you do? You call the hell Mary. And you're like, why? Hope. But you actually don't think. To Phil's point, on Hebrew 6, I think that's why that's so important is when he's

talking about it's impossible for God to lie. I mean, just unpack that for a second. It is a, it, I was going to use a big word, ontological impossibility. Like, it's impossible. Yeah, we asked the question, can God do anything? If anyone asked me that, I'm like, no, he can't do anything. There's some things that you can't lie. It's not possible for God to lie.

And he said, I'm going to do it for you. So it's going to happen. That's it. And I think that's when we, going back to John 8, we talked about on the last podcast, Abraham is such a great person to study if we're going to understand hope and faith. Because Abraham, you had mentioned he, in Hebrews 11, it talks about he reasoned that God could raise the dead, which God did not do that with Isaac, by the way. He said he figuredly did that, but he didn't.

But you go back to, I think it's Genesis, 22, that story, and there's a couple things in there that I think show us kind of this biblical hope or this biblical faith, where it says that Abraham, two things he says, when he's going up to the mountain to sacrifice Isaac, he says, me and the boy will be back. Yeah, we'll be back. Why did he say that? Yeah. He said, and he said, and he, because he reasoned. But the point here, but he didn't know the how God was going to do it. He's, he, that's my point. He had it all, He was wrong on the how, but what he did know was that at Hebrew 6, the guy's not a liar. But I do like that he reasoned that he was going to resurrect, even though he didn't.

But why did he reason? Why did he reason that? Well, because he just knew God, because he, because God made a promise. What was the promise? That through this kid, all nations are going to be blessed. So he's either going to come back from the dead. That's basically what he was left with. So this. But to his credit, he said, okay.

Hope goes in increments. So watch. It is God who makes both of us and you stand for Him in Christ. This is 2nd, Corinthians 1. He anointed us. He set his seal of ownership on us. You're like, so I'm in the phase where I am owned by God. that's a good owner

he set his seal of ownership on us and put his spirit in our hearts here's the here's the phase we're in now as a deposit but we don't have it yet the the realization of it because we're in the we're in the phase down there

while we're in mortal bodies than we own the earth he set a seal in our heart as a deposit guaranteeing what's to come. Now what? That's my point. Is it, is it the resurrection? So, after you read Second Corinthians chapter one, you get to chapter five. Now what's this? He repeats himself. Oh, yeah. Second Corinthians' Five. We know that if the earthly tent, it's called a tent, Peter said same thing in First Peter one, Second Peter one. We know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed. That's the flesh and our flesh and bones. We're earthly.

We have a building from God, got another body, an eternal house, uh-oh, in heaven, not built by human hands. So that's the goal. That's the end. Meanwhile, we groan, that's the final phase. Meanwhile, we groan, you say, why would we be groaning when we live in these tents? Well, we're back to Romans 8. But back to Romans 8, we don't want to be unclothed from our body because we're body, soul and spirit. We don't want to leave our body. So we've grown. Longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling, because when we are clothed, immortal body,

we will not be found naked. For while we're in this tent, temporary, we groan and are burdened because we do not wish to be unclosed. leave our body, but to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling so that what is mortal, we're in that phase, may be swallowed up by life. It is God, here's to hear this, who has made us for this very purpose. And here we go again, and has given us the spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what's to come. We're in a great phase, because we put our faith in Jesus. We've been born again and we receive the Spirit of God as a guarantee. Now, therefore, we're always confident, whether in the body or out of it.

We're always confident. And know that as long as we're at home in the body and the phase we're in now, we are away from the Lord. We haven't reached our final destination. We're in phase one. Phase two is the end. That's the increment. It's the end, meaning the beginning for us.

We live by faith, not by sight. Same thing he said in Romans. Now, yeah, I think that's the comment. We are confident, I say, and check this out, would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. You say, it's a good thing to leave your body. We call it physical death and everybody's shaking and trembling, the non-believerer, because they're worried about death.

They have something to be worried about. So we make it our goal, watch, to please him. whether we're at home in the body right now we proclaim Jesus everywhere we go you say look are away from it so look for we must all appear before the gentleman's seat of Christ that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body

whether good or bad so we just want to come out on the other end of this thing when physical death comes you said Lord well that was your question I served you well you said about that you said the resurrection is it just the resurrection is it just the resurrection is Yeah, I was saying we immediately think resurrection. This is past that. This is past that. Well, I know, but that's what I meant.

The eternal life, I guess, is what I would say, which I did find something interesting there. What he read, I've never had this thought before, but it sounded like the biblical definition of nakedness there was without the body. That's exactly. In the world, the definition is without clothes. That's right. That's right.

We're talking about the internet. They don't have clothes, but when you're naked before God, you don't have a body. That's it. But I think to answer your question, I think the looming resurrection is our hope is in the resurrection, yes. But our hope is not in the resurrection for the sake of the resurrection. You know, it's not, our hope is not. Well, it's not like the gifts we're receiving. Because I think in all these things have in common.

It's a living hope. It's the resurrection. because of Jesus. Well, I'm saying I'm focused on the process. You remember in Romans 5 where he said, all right, we've had been justified through faith. In Romans 5, it said, we've been justified through faith. We have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. We've gained access by faith into the grace, which we now stand,

and we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. So whatever that definition of glory of God. And you, if you just read those. Living forever in an immortal body. The glory of God. I would say the glory of God. It's his beauty. It is the presence of God.

To be honest, I don't think I've grasped what that completely entails. Oh, you never will. By the way, what I just read to you, because you mentioned the hope and all that, this is the final fulfillment of it. Yeah. Most people, I've told them that. And you know what they did? Kind of scratch her head and they're like, I don't know what that. So look, tie it all together.

Paul told the Thessalonians, we don't want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep or to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope. Look, we believe Jesus died and rose again. The gospel is the bedrock of it all. And so, because of that, we received God's spirit when we believed it and obeyed it. And then he said,

And so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. Now they physically died, separated from their body. The only thing he could be, he's bringing us with him, the ones who have fallen asleep. You're like, why is he coming back? The bodies, the bodies in the cemeteries. because look, he'll bring with Jesus those who have funners asleep.

So the only thing he could be bringing, because our bodies in the cemetery are blown to bits on a beat somewhere and you were a Christian, you're like, all those bodies come up reunited with their souls and spirit. I think that's what people find unbelievable. A lot of them, I've told them at, but they all look at me like, I don't know about that old guy. I'm like, I'm telling you.

When I started in my career before this career, I worked for a pharmaceutical company. And so we went to training, and it was back in the early 2000s. And all these young people, attractive people, would descend on a location. And we would stay there for two weeks at a time. And you can just imagine, I mean, it just got to be a cesspool of all kind of stuff. And I never went out and participated with it because I was married. I'm like, you know, I'm trying to be faithful to my wife.

I'm not going out to these parties and bars and stuff with you guys. One of the guys one time asked me, he said, man, I noticed you never go out with us. You never go out with us. He said, I figured you out. You're one of two things. You're a recovering alcoholic or you're deeply religious. And I said, I'm neither one of those things. And he's like, what's the story?

And I said, well, I believe. And I channeled my inner feel, and I said, what can I say? Shockings. Your answer probably made him think you were deeply religious. It probably did. I said, I believe in dead carcasses coming out of the ground and being confused with life and walking around. And he's like, what? I said, you've never heard it?

That was a good lie. He's like, I said, you've never heard of this? He said, never. He said, he said, well, I said, dead carcasses coming out of the ground and walking around. I've never heard of that. Second Thessalonians, four. I like dead carcasses. Yeah, everybody.

You got to add it to being infused with life. Everybody needs to read, you say, when, right now. First Thessalonians 4, verse 13, and following, the complete thing. The whole story is right there. Comes down there, the dead and Christ will rise first. After that, we're still alive, be caught up with them, we'll be changed on the spot. The whole story is told about that hope. Chase.

Well, my home point. In your lesson, Jace, with First Thessalonians 4, 13, and following. Well, we still got the only problem I have. Some of the instructors at Harding are going to say, look, Jay. My question was. They're going to say, I don't know. My question was. Well, I go before I was interrupted, which is okay on our show, is I read that Romans 5, 1 and 2,

because I asked the question, is it only viewed in the resurrection, which y'all said no. and then gave me a bunch of resurrection verses. I said that. Well, but Phil said that too. He said, no. And then he read, so I get it. And I agree. And I think that's good.

But what I'm saying is I read Romans 5, 1 and 2, because just hear my point here. Because this is what, when I studied this, I thought, I've never noticed this. Because the first verse that popped into my head when they said, hope, is the verse that we use for my daughters, foundation, which is Romans 5, 1 through 5. Now look, we're not talking about the resurrection.

I mean, we are always talking about the resurrection ultimately in Jesus. Sure. But here we have a bunch of kids who have been gone through years of suffering mentally, physically, emotionally, whatever. And so here we are trying to give them some hope. Yeah. Which is because you're never going to get them out of it. of debt. This is an expensive journey, but you're just trying to come in, share a little Jesus,

and give a little hope. And so if I read those, you know, I read the first two verses, it seems like what is the problem? Because he says, we've been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus. We've gained access by faith in the grace, which we now stand. We rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Everybody's happy. But the next verses three, not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings. Because, of course, that, now this is what causes people to say, well, wait a minute. Anybody rejoicing in sufferings? If you know you're going to live forever, you can do it. It's one aspect. I'm going to submit another aspect based on what I think, I think hope is, yes, we ultimately hope for eternity,

Jesus coming back, bringing the, yes, eternal life. There's plenty of verses on that. You bet you. But in this situation, it seems like he's bringing up hope while we're here. And even though we have the assurance, faith being sure of what we hope for and certain what we do not see, there are going to be times that it's going to be rough. Yeah, but just you got to remember. Well, I'm just reading it. The hope that you have and the sufferings.

that's why you're in phase one. You haven't left your body yet. This is why you realize that. But let me just get to this, then we'll talk about it. So he says we rejoice in our sufferings because we know that suffering produces perseverance. So through the Holy Spirit, Paul is now coming up with this process. You're going to rejoice in your sufferings because we know that produces perseverance. Well, perseverance character.

And character, hope. I just think that's an interesting thing to put in that chain of events. Because hope is not realized until your body goes from mortal to immortal. Where death is your sting? Where is your victory? When the mortal becomes immortal, then you have a realization of the hope. That's the realization of it right there.

I think there's some, you know, First Corinthians 13 talks about. Until you get your immortal body, Jase, you still have to get through. But you have hope now. Because, Jay, see you know what I'm saying? You have perseverance, character,

well, is that character now or later? Well, here's another way of saying it. It's not. If your hope is in eternal life, I would ask the question, when does eternal life start? And then Jesus gives us, that answer in John 173.

This is what he says. This is eternal life, that they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. When can that occur? When can you know God? Why are you on the earth?

So when does eternal life start? Well, I believe that. That's what I was getting. So that's the living hope. I think it is a living hope. Let's take a break. Look, and so he says character hope and hope does not disappoint us because if you're disappointed because you're

suffering or you're being insulted well you obviously are going to get disappointed even though you say you won't you will and then you start thinking about yeah but it produced perseverance and then character and then but look at what I have hope in Jesus but not only that he says hope does not disappoint us because and look here's what's interesting all the verses you read before this has the same thought because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit whom he has given us and then he goes on talking about you see at just the right time when we were still powerless Christ died for the ungodly very rarely you know one die for rice man and then but God demonstrates his love for us while we were still sinners Christ died for us

I just think it's an awesome illustration that God made through the Holy Spirit. So you're talking. He talked about the process of Jesus dying, and we immediately went to the resurrection, you know. I think that's important because you're talking to a group of college students, or I guess incoming college students, right? So they're coming in, and, well, you know, me and Jill have done college ministry for years, and I can tell you, if I'm telling the student, here's the deal, come to, come to Jesus, repent, and grind it out for 80 years, and then you get life.

That's like, I mean, it's not effective, primarily one, because it's not true, but two, that's not the full gospel. It's not come grinded out for 80 years. You can have an abundant life now, like you can experience life starting today. I was thinking about the resurrection. The reason why the resurrection is why we hope in it, it's not just for the sake of the resurrection because it's not eternal existence that we're after right i mean there's going to be people eternally existing at hell a second thessalonians you know talks about the lord coming back and he says

there'll be eternal destruction shut out from the presence of the lord and from his glory and his power of the glory of his power when he comes to be glorified in his saints on that day and to be marveled at among all who have believed. So I think... Well, some people believe you're forever destroyed and some people believe you're destroyed forever. But either one's bad. Well, to you younger, you younger bucks,

listen, I'll tell you mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed in a flash in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. Here comes Jesus. For the trumpet will sound, first thing that happens, the dead will be raised imperishable

and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality. Final phase. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying is written will come true. No more groaning on our part.

the groan's over this is it death has been swallowed up in victory where old death is your victory young people need to know that they're afraid of it they shouldn't be where old death is your sting they're afraid of it oh no i can't the sting of death is sin and the power of the sin is law thanks be to god though why are you there talk about hope he gives us the victory through our lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brothers, stand firm while you're on the earth. Let nothing move your sufferings, all them verses Jesus, all the things that can happen to you. Okay, you struggle with your own sins. God not counting them against you. Just get up, get up. Always give yourself fully to the work of the Lord. That's what we're doing right here. Today, as I speak to you two, because you know that your

labor look in the Lord is not in vain. meaning you know you got the hope that he said the Hebrew writer spoke of we had this hope as an anchor for the soul well he says the same thing right here but when that mortal becomes immortal that's why Peter said look I'm in this earthy tent but I'll soon put it aside and I will depart well the only thing that can depart from the tent is his soul and spirit his body stays They're in the dust, but look, when Peter closed his eyes, when they strung him up, upside down on the cross, Jesus said, Peter, when you were young, you dressed yourself, and you went to where you wanted to go. But I'm telling you, when you get old, somebody else is going to dress you,

and you're going to go to do something that you don't like. What he was, Jesus said that, it said, to show what kind of death Peter would die for the, for the, the glory of God. So when you look at it like that, you say, hmm, Jesus was set on him, you're going to have a rough death. That was just to glorify God because he didn't, he didn't run off this time.

When he got old, he said, suck it up. And he did because he had seen Jesus, he was running away. I don't know who he is. Well, in our call, let's take a quick break. He saw Jesus come to that ground.

He said, mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, I'm getting out of here alive. That's why the book of martyrs, you know, secular history, according to Jesus, I mean, Peter's saying, look, boys, they said, unless you shut up, we're going to string you up on the cross. He said, well, I wouldn't be preaching anything. I wouldn't be willing to die on. Get after it.

Yeah, but the, but the, but the, the, the new life, the, the, the resurrection, the, the resurrection is not the prize, ultimately. He is the prize. It's marveling. I think with young people, too, is, Like, for me, I mean, I'm built to desire things. And so, you know, I think that we could speak a message of the beauty and the wonder of God that you get to bask in his glory and marvel at him and fall in love with this person forever. More and more every day.

I hope OJ's delivers a burn burner there because what we're discussing, if the 18 to 22-year-olds could get that in their head, their hope and hold. hold onto that as an anchor, you couldn't, you can't stop them. What's weird is that's where I've been camped out probably the last four months. I guess since the coronavirus started. I've had all my events and virtual things, even the thing I did at the Cowell Show the other day. There's all young people. I was put on by 18 to 22 year olds. So.

How do they respond? Oh. I mean. Have you all ever? Bells and whistles in a good way. I mean, they're, because really what you got to remember is even a count two nights ago, you know, I started off with what I said in the last podcast, but I asked them to close their eyes and pitch your guy.

I said, what did y'all see? And the number one answer was nothing. Yeah. And so then I'm trying to introduce, I'm not a preacher. Of course, they're looking at me. We're out in the woods around the campfire. I'm not a preacher. I'm a believer.

I'm not getting paid. I'm just out here because I believe that Jesus is the image of the invisible God. And he's real to me. Put it this way. The suicide rate among young people is out the roof. You say, why are they so many of them taking their own life? they're taking their own life because they're not listening to what we just said. Well, I think it's because they're hopeless.

You're thinking, why does someone take their own life? Well, it's... No hope. Well, they don't have a hope of this life or the next. That is correct. So you basically, but I've always said... So what you, Jason, needs to do is not say a word on that thing coming up in four hours. What he needs to do is get a tape of this and say,

I think this are covered and say, we're going to turn it over to my dad and my cousin. What he said. Y'all listen carefully, and I'll be back with it in about 30 minutes. I can't argue with that, Jay. That's pretty good. What you say is, all right, we just have a little. We did this, people. Yeah.

Today, we had a session about what are we going to talk about. Just give them this podcast and the verses we've read and say, check the verses out on your own in your spare time. But, oh, you have hope. You just don't realize it yet. They don't, they're young. They're, you know, they're young. Well, I think that there's another aspect to hope.

Harding, how old are you going to the age group you're talking to? Think about it. Well, they're incoming freshmen. 18, 17, 8. They don't know what we're talking about. Jace, look, they've been up there, you know, and they're getting bored sitting there, you know, and the preacher drones on about, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, but when's, they, they hadn't heard what we talked about.

You were talking about them phones earlier. I mean, I had the, I was telling them. story I did get to finish I have 10 teenage girls stay with me because of the camp they only sleep there you know because they go out to camp yeah and I the first night I shared Jesus took the phones up I told that story well last night I went in there you know they they've they've been functioning without their phones at first they would go up there and check them but now you know they haven't been and so we ate supper last night after camp miss and I and all one on one of them, she went, huh, one of those girls picked up.

And in two days, she had 1100 unread messages. Oh, gosh. 1100. So that's what's been going into her head. Just remember, Jay, that's why there's a plague other than coronavirus. And it's the plague among 18 to 22 year old, in my opinion. And the plague is boredom. They are bored.

All right. And you say, well, why would you be bored at 18 to 20 years old? Because they're not realizing what they have in their grasp. You know what's interesting? And it is hope beyond any question of all the things that could happen to them. They just don't realize it. It's up to you, Jase, to give them hope. It's up to you.

That's a big task. But look, I think it's interesting. It's the most connected generation in the history of the world, and yet we're the most lonely. I think boredom is part of it. I think people are lonely, and I think that that's another aspect of this hope. I'd love the term living hope.

Yeah. That's the first page of one. I mean, the hope is living, which means it's now, and it's not, we're going to. Jason,

you got enough firepower sitting in front of you in that Bible right there to blow the doors off his joint. I know. I didn't even get to that romance. Give them something to remember you by, Jason. Maybe they remember Jesus.

Just give them something to remember you by it. that Romans 15, but he also talked about that in four and three and four of chapter 15, being insulted in the name of Jesus. But he got to verse 13, and we can close with this. He says, may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. One thing I've got, Zach, out of all the, or one things I don't have, one of the things I do not have, not one.

little bit. I'm not bored. Dear friends, I urge you, and here's what an 18-year-old needs to hear, as aliens and strangers in the world to abstain from sinful desires which war against your soul, live such good lives among the pagans

that though they accuse you of doing wrong, they don't have any hope. They may see your good deeds just get up and be good every day, kids, and glorify God on the day he visits us. Well, we're back to the mortal to immortal. We're back on it again. Yeah.

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