Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1200 | Willie Begs for Help with an Embarrassing Problem & Jase Leads a Classic-Rock Choir

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

Willie calls in Jase and his “special set of skills” for backup in fixing a neighborhood problem.  Al isn’t surprised when Jase’s Celebrate Recovery sermon takes an unexpected turn and transforms into a Tom Petty sing-along that brings the whole room to life. Zach manages to make even the most mundane passages in the Bible into an interesting lesson. The guys explore why Jesus chose Passover and how the earliest worship song still echoes through the story of redemption, from the Lamb to the Kingdom itself. In this episode: Exodus 15; Exodus 35–39; Matthew 20, verses 20–23; Mark 10, verse 35; John 1, verse 14; John 1, verse 29; John 6; John 8, verse 12; John 13, verse 8; John 18; 1 Corinthians 10, verses 1–4; Ephesians 2, verses 21–22; Genesis 3, verse 21 Chapters: 00:00-06:15 Reed’s surprise worship service 06:16-12:12 Jase & Willie plan a heist 12:13-24:21 Jase turns Celebrate Recover into a Tom Petty concert 24:22-32:50 Exodus & John’s Gospel are mirrors of each other 32:51-40:58 Only blood can redeem sins 40:59-49:35 The Bible’s first worship song 49:36-56:27 Viewing Jesus as a Passover lamb — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I feel like I've walked into some kind of conversation. I don't know what's going on. You know, Zach reminds me your mom used to do that. She would call me and you would answer the phone. And she would start in. Like, we had been talking for like 30 minutes and we were halfway through a conversation.

But I was like, I would listen. I say, okay, Jan, let's back it up just a bit. because you caught me way off guard here. What exactly are you talking about? She was a strange one. That's no doubt about it. She was strange. I was just going to say, because we're rolling.

Welcome to Unashamed, by the way. But we were talking as we came on. And Zach pulled quite a move Monday when we recorded, Jays, because he was late. And you and I were just grumbling and grousing about his last. lateness, but he had pulled a little shenanagan because he had Reed in the house, and we didn't know it. And so the delay was setting up Reed's shot in which I totally got it then.

And it was a very cool mood. So, Zach, you pulled a good one on us. That was a good little, you got a scrip and then we had to repent. He's seizing on that opportunity now. His first question this morning was trying to weasel his way into a duck hunt this year. Yeah, I'm weaseling. Jay says, you're trying to weasel in a duck hunt. I'm like, have I not been a good cousin?

Your son came to spend the weekend with me. Your daughter's coming this week, and I've loved on your family, loved on your kids. I went to the wedding. I want to come duck hunt. And you're like, you're trying to wheezeeat? Can I reply to this? My relationships are not work-based, performance-based relationships. Oh, legalism.

It's a killer, boy. Apparently not. Oh, man. Well, we did have a good time with Reed and Brighton, Jason. You know, so yesterday, Reed is interesting because I preached at our church yesterday. And I walk in, and Reed is on the stage, and he ends up leading worship for our church, just like last minute. I was like, how did you? So Grant called, my brother, Grant said he lost his voice.

and asked if I would do it. So it doesn't know anybody in the church, but obviously our family, and he leads the church in worship. It was probably awesome. I was pretty impressed. Yeah. It was really good.

Zach, there's a phrase in the singing world. If you can sing the phone book, you don't need a whole lot of time to prep. I mean, Reed can sing. He did not get that from me. Oh, he brought it. He got it from the Lord God and my wife. Yes.

He just got an act for. It was good. We had a good time. I made him. Stakes. We did the whole deal. It was fun. He actually called me last night and gave me a report.

He gave you a compliment. You want to hear what it was? He said, Zach preach yesterday on Exodus 35 to Exodus 39. And so I searched the memory banks in five seconds, and I thought, I got nothing here. And he said, he actually made something really interesting out of something that I've never read nor heard of. You know you're a good preacher, Zach, when you're taking the valley of dry bones that shut down most people's Bible reading in a year

and turn it into something really exciting. Kudos. Well, I started with that because it's all the instructions, well, it's the detailed version of how they built the tabernacle. So it's like, you know, you've got to take this kind of, you know, cloth and you make these loops and it's just like literally four chapters

of seemingly laborious details on the construction of the tabernacle. It's like a Pinterest page or something. Yeah. Yeah, but when you're reading it, I mean, you're thinking it's like, it's got to be this many cubits long. What's it?

It's a cubit. And it's just language we don't use. And so it's all, but what I found interesting in the whole thing is, I mean, I've been doing a deep dive on the temple and the tabernacle for probably the last three years. So I was like loaded for bear.

Zach, we're aware. We're aware on this podcast. We know. Well, I took Jason's line at the end. I mean, it was basically,

I mean, the whole thing summed up. And I did a video. I found this AI animation video where you, it kind of takes you through the tabernacle. So you go into the courtyard and then you see the altar there, then the laver, and then you move in through the actual.

to the holy place and then to the most holy place with the archimates. You're visualizing it. Yeah, that's great. I started the sermon with that. It was good. So people saw it. And then at the end, went back through the whole thing. And then I went through the gospel of John, which is what we're in now.

And essentially just showed every single part of the tabernacle. It is a picture of Eden, but more importantly, every single part of the tabernacle it ends up being Jesus, every last one of them. Yeah, yeah. And I think everybody was just like, whoa. Yeah, that's what he said. So that was the depiction. He was like, I was amazed.

So, yeah, they had a good time. Let me just tell you what, so I don't know, Jay's, how much you're prepared to share about this, but when I'm listening to Jay's on the phone, I'm assuming it was with Willie, about some sort of rat situation? What exactly was all that? Yeah, this is just typical of our relationship.

relationship, you know. So Willie has this thing about me fishing in his pond, which I've offered to contribute because he bought these fish. And I'm catching them all and eating them. And he can't catch them. You know, one, he's like, well, I'm too busy or whatever. But when he dreams about fishing. And so most of the times when he dreams, he looks outside his window and there I am catching them. So it's hard for him.

So you know how Willie is? He's got to come up with something to justify what's happening. Yeah. And it's not about money. It's not about – he's just – he wants to do that. Because he doesn't want to be petty like it's money, so he's got to find something. Yeah, I get it. He's like, hey, dude, you realize, you know, there's some kind of creature eating all my trees.

I'm like, yeah. I've noticed you probably ought to do something about it. And he's like, well, why don't you do something about it? You're down there all the time. And so he has a rat problem and it's severe. And so I've been... Like a wharf rat? Oh, no, no, no, no.

These are beavers, neutra muskrat. Think that... Like big rats, the kind of take down trees. Well, they take down trees and they bust your levees. And, you know, he's tried to go the yuppie way. of howling it and it's not working. So then he realized he has a brother with a certain set

of skills. And so he's like he kind of put this hit out a couple months ago. And so I called him because I took Little Man down there yesterday. It was the most impressive thing

because what Little Man doesn't realize in my effort to teach him how to fish, I've actually taught him how to be the bag man. Because when I go down there, I want to do this as quick as possible because I know there's some tension in the neighborhood. Eyes in the sky.

I'm doing. And I have turned a three and a half year old boy to the greatest bag man ever. I mean, look, I called a crappie yesterday. I mean, it was right about dark. And he's got his gloves on because, you know, I'm allergic. touch a scale fish. Well, so I need an assistant.

He's sitting there with two gloves on. When that fish hits the bank, he just pounces on it like a wildcat. I get the hook out. He grabs it, bag open, in the bag. He's like, get another one. So we caught six Cropi, and I would say eight minutes. They were in a bag, and we left. The whole time took eight minutes.

But during those eight minutes, I realized, because I could see the activity, I found the layer of the rat infestation. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah. And so I basically called Willie and said, I'm moving in. Now, tell your security people and all that, whatever, because, you know, our area has a lot of security. I'm like, tell them don't shoot a bearded guy if you see somebody with a wretched guy. if you see somebody with a weapon that looks like me over on your property. So that was the conversation, which he just-

That's what I was listening to. I was laughing so hard because it was like, you know, we're planning this heist, and I thought, I don't know what that's about, but it's in my neighborhood. Yeah, it wasn't a heist.

I just didn't want to get shot on my brother's property because I'm taking care of his rep problem. So, yeah. But did you, did it say, would you say that the whole operation was it successful in the year or is it still underway? Well, yeah, I haven't moved in yet. I'm going to get down there and there later and just see, you know, who comes out alive, me or them.

See, Jay's now is second generation because this started with Dad, you know, on the big property. You remember the war with the beavers. That was a big theme on the original little duck show. And so that has now apparently gone to the next generation. Well, I did something at about 14 years old, which I regretted in the moment. But I had watched that Robert Redford movie as one of Phil's favorites. What was the name of that? Jeremiah Johnson.

Jeremiah Johnson. And, you know, they were after him, and he was trying to find a place to hide, and he goes underwater, and he comes up in a beaver hut layer inside there. So I'd always, ever since I've seen that movie, I thought, I need to do that. before I die. And so here's two things, if you ever want to try that, because I successfully pulled it off. Because down on our property,

I found the world's largest beaver hut besides the one that's on the Canadian U.S. border. They say there's one. That you can see from space. Yeah. Well, I guarantee you the one I crawled up in, you can see this joker from space. It was massive, but it was more of a house than just a long trail. Yeah. But two things I noticed.

One, when you come up, you need a light. You know, I don't know what I was thinking. I made it. They used to see it. Well, I came up. Probably should have thought about that before I risked my life of drowning, of submarining into a beaver hut. Yeah.

The next thing, the sound of a bunch of angry beavers when a human pops up in their layer is one of the most frightening sounds because they all at the same time it was more of a growl and now I'm not sure how to get out of there I mean it went from I'm going to have a fight

to what am I doing here I don't need to get out of here you were on an away playing field you were on their turf yeah it was terrifying But once I got familiar, because it's not like you think, it's chaos on the outside. Kind of reminds me of, you know, you're talking about the temple and the tabernacle. We have the Holy Spirit.

But on the inside, it's like a little city. I mean, it's amazing how they all have rooms. And, I mean, it's quite organized. It's a little different, though, Jeremiah Daniel, I mean, Jeremiah Johnson, because that was like in the Rocky Mountain area. So you got like Utah, Montana. it's a little more risky. But you know that that, Zach, that story is based on a compilation of several actual

mountain men. But one of them was a man named John Coulter, and I'd read his story. But Coulter, he was a leftover from the Lewis and Clark expedition. And he went back. Like, he, you know, he made it through the expedition and they went back. And he had all these famous things he did. And that's his story. They got chased him one day.

to escape, he came up and under a beaver hut, but that's based on a true story of an actual mountain mountainous. But how many cotton mouths are in the beaver name of Louisiana? That's the other thing. Yeah, that's it. But it was wintertime when I attempted this. And I didn't realize that I was, because I took all my clothes to do this, so I was glowing in the dark when I came up in the beaver hut.

And it's just a bad move. And I only know what it looked like later is because once I, then went to blowing the top of it up, I just looked down inside there and thought, oh, okay, that's where I was. Yeah. It wasn't as scary when you did that. No, it wasn't as scary. It was actually I was pretty impressed with them.

So what I did, Al, I spoke at Celebrate Recovery. You've spoken there a few times. I'm speaking there in a couple of weeks. Oh, wow. I got them ready for you. And look, here's what I found funny. I wanted to share this for you all. So I don't know where we're at with the tour.

tour that we introduce the possible tour. I don't know how that resonated with the viewers. I've been getting a lot of, all the people that have direct access to me, email and whatnot, have been saying, we are ready. We will travel.

You know, have an event will travel, is the word I'm getting from. This is crazy what happened. So, you know, it's a crazy audience. And I did a bit that I had done on the podcast

about when Peter was staring at the fire. And then when he's looking at the coals on the bank post Jesus's resurrection, and then Acts 2, you know, fire comes out via the Holy Spirit. I mean, you're seeing all this fire, fire, and I was just kind of, I went through that bit about Peter having this transformation process. But so I bookended it on, I started off with this viral video that came out in 2012, it was a newscast, and the woman's name was Sweet Brown. And a fire broke out, I think it was in Oklahoma. And so the news crew goes, and they're like, you know, what happened? And here's this

woman. She's like, I was going to get some pop. She called, I guess, a soda drink. She called it pop. And I thought somebody was barbecuing, and there was a fire. Y'all remember that clip? Ain't anybody got time for that? How's it? They turned it into songs. I mean, it went viral before things went viral. So I started off with that clip, like 26 seconds.

Nobody laughed. There was a couple chuckles. And so when I got up, I was like, how many people have seen that before? I would say 10% had seen it. And I thought, huh, well, I guess y'all was off, you know, doing drugs or whatever when that came out. Because they celebrate recovery. It's a pretty rough audience, you know, and a lot of them are new Christians. And that was 13 years ago, did.

So I had that little clip. I thought that was going to be an icebreaker. That was pretty much just crickets. And I made the point about how a near-death experience gets your attention. And a lot of people, you know, follow the Lord because they're sure. scared. They don't want to die or they're scared to go to hell. That was kind of my intro. And I was getting to the point what changed Peter's life. It wasn't the miracles he saw, all those things. What changed his heart was he's sitting there eating breakfast with a guy

who was three days earlier dead. Yeah. And then he asked him, you know, do you love me? Do you love me? Do you love me? Because he had denied him three times. And so that was kind of where I started. However, somewhere in the first part of the sermon, I brought up the Tom Petty song because it has a similar idea as the Sweet Brown. A guy set fire to his house. Yeah.

His wife and kid was in there, and he spent years trying to get over it. And then he wrote that song. I won't back down. So I went through that story. Did you drop here as Selena Gomez Nugget on it? No, no, I left her out of it. But no, here's what happened. I didn't go as planned.

I just said, this is my new walk-up song. And so I took my phone and played it, like into the microphone. Here's what I wasn't prepared for. All these people who had just come out of the world, celebrate recovery. They started singing along. They started singing alone. They started singing. Singing louder than the worship songs.

There were people dancing, and I was going to talk through the song and highlight the phrases. Oh, no. You could not hear me because it just turned into Bedlam. It turned into a Tom Petty concert. It was so funny. It's so funny. You had big expectations on your first video, which fell flat. But then you're just going to play this song.

It just knocked it out of the park. The vibe, though, it actually in a good way. And then when I actually went through the song, once I maintain some sort of decor, I just lost the crowd. It just turned into a concert, people swaying, dance, and sing the song. Even when I turned it off, they just kept singing. They knew it by heart. I was like, calm down.

It's a good song. It's a good song. But I did. that's what I was going to say. If we do that song, that's going to resonate with the new Christians fresh out of the world. Because, boy, they were all about that. So what you deal with, Jay, that was what we call a test. That was a screener.

You did a little test audience, and it was a big smash. That will work. They will sing along with it. And I think they appreciated the story. And I really think it went well overall. It was a great experience. You couldn't stick another person in there. So be prepared out.

Well, yeah, and I might have to talk to Rucker and see if hopefully they recorded it. Maybe I can watch it because I might can come back with a part two. Oh, I don't think they recorded. I was kind of surprised. The first thing they said is turn all phones off and no recording whatsoever, which I thought, oh, we fix go crazy up in here. I guess there's a certain anonymity about Celebrate Recovery. But I will say it's a live action.

I mean, it's a thrill shot to speak there because these people are, they do the word celebrate recovery. They do it. They do it every Friday. So it's exciting. And we have like the first or second largest CR Friday evenings in America out of thousands of CR. So, I mean, we got it happening. It's good stuff. I have a couple other stories, but I'll save it for our next podcast.

because since that is deep in Exodus, what I noticed where we're at John 18, and I don't know, did we talk about the Passover aspect? The question, why did Jesus choose the Passover? We hinted at it, but we didn't, because John mentions it a couple of times.

When he's dropping in these time of days and stuff like that, that's not just random, you know, just random fact. You were exactly right. a tie-in to the preparation of the lambs and the, you know, when they're going to be slaughtered and all this stuff. So no, Jay, that's a good place to start. I think we need to do that. And I know we spent the last couple talking about the kingdom, which rightfully so, and we should continue. Because that narrative continues on end of John 19.

Yeah. On what this means about, remember all through the Gospels, I don't know how many references there are, but the kingdom is at hand. Yeah, you read several, a few last time. We talked about Daniel two. I read what Paul said to Timothy and 1st Timothy 6. And there's also, we didn't get to Hebrews 12 as another picture of this kingdom. But you're right.

We're right. I mean, that's exactly where we're at in the text because you've got, you know, Pilate is not the king, but he is the ruling authority from Rome on site. but then you've also got King Herod, which is going to come up in here too, not in John, but it's in Matthew. And so there's kings all over the place. And yet Jesus says, yes, what you say is correct. I am a king. So he doesn't back away from that idea of him being king.

Yeah. So I didn't know if you wanted to do that, Zach, if you have any comments. I noticed a couple things about that is what I was going to say about how the Passover ties into this thing. I guess we're giving our opinion on why he chose the Passover, but I think when you go back to the Passover story in Exodus, Jesus is introducing a new and ultimate and final exodus of humanity. Yeah, it's good to see the Gospel of John as, really all the Gospels,

but the Gospel of John is an overlay of the story of Exodus. I mean, the story of Exodus is the central story to God's people. And so the three main events in the book of Exodus, in the story that now applies to us is, it's really simple, but it's three main things. The first is the Passover. Then you have the giving of the covenant, which is the Ten Commandments, the law. And then lastly, the last half of the book pretty much is essentially the story the building of the tabernacle. And so what you see is in Jesus, you actually see that Jesus is the

Passover lamb. Jesus is the giving, the mediator and the fulfillment of the new covenant, and Jesus is also the tabernacle. So all of it's fulfilled in Christ. I think it would be, I'd love to hear your, I don't think it's your opinion. I think that it's the direct link to the Passover. Yeah, I probably could have said that differently. I mean, I think that is the connection. And there's two aspects, when you say Passover, there's kind of two aspects to that story. I mean, you have the 10 plague event, which is basically God wanting Pharaoh in Egypt to let his people go. Because the word Exodus means way out. So here they are in captivity, and there's like a duel here.

I want my people to go, and you don't want that to happen. And so you kind of have this decreation occurrence happening through plagues and demonstrating God's judgment in a way. And so it culminates with the tenth plague being this, okay, if you don't let them go, then the first born of your sons, will die, which is something... And your lab's dot and everything. Yeah, which is something that Pharaoh had done

to Israel. Right. Eliminating, you know, the first son. So that's kind of the moment. And so then you get this story where, okay, if you go get a lamb, you know, he told Israel and sacrifice it,

and I guess eat it. But take the blood from the cleaning process. and put it on your doorpost. And then it's a real interesting part of that story. It will keep the destroyer from destroying you, your firstborn. But then you have that aspect. So, you know, Pharaoh wilt, and then all of a sudden, once they leave, he's like, oh, no, he starts chasing them.

And then you get to the parting of the Red Sea, which my point is, In a way, that event kind of has two legs to it because then the Israelites are commissioned to jump into the sea, basically, and the Lord will provide a way. And all of a sudden the sea parts, and they pass through. So the first one was a pass over. Then they passed through the sea. Which is baptism. Well, right. That's where I was going with this.

Because you remember when we read the text where he says, well, I'll have to look it up real quick. But where the one where the mom comes and says, okay, how about my sons, one of them sit on your right and one of them sit on your left? Where's that at? Well, Matthew 26, maybe. Yeah, it's at the end of Matthew, I know. With the son's his epit. And he says, remember he has that verse where he says, can you drink the cup? or be baptized with the baptism that I was baptized with.

Well, if you kind of think about, that's what hit me when I was reading John 18. I think it's Matthew 26, but I could be wrong. So let me just read that, Mark 1035, then James and John, the sons of Zebedee came to him. Teacher, they said, we want you to do for us whatever we asked. What do you want me to do for you? There's another good Jesus question.

They replied, let one of us sit at your right hand and the other at your left. You don't know what you're asking, Jesus said, can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I'm baptized with? And what I found fascinating is I'd never thought about this before. But think about when Paul in 1 Corinthians, there's two moments that seem to line up with this same idea. And I'll go backwards.

You remember in 1st Corinthians 10, first four verses where he says, for I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact that our forefathers were all under the cloud, which is the presence of God, and they all pass through the sea. What are we talking about? The parting of the Red Sea. Yeah, well, yeah, then it says, but this is in response to the Passover that had happened that started this, this Exodus, in which the word Exodus means way out. Just think about that.

They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. I mean, just think of where your mind goes, that they were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink. But here's what I noticed. In 1 Corinthians 5, which is why I had missed this, because when's the last time you heard a sermon on 1st Corinthians 5, I'm pausing for a fact? Because remember, they had this weird immorality going on,

but this is so fascinating to me. So in 1st Corinthians 5, he's like, look, There's actually reported that there's a sexual immorality among you and of a kind that does not occur even among the pagans. A man has his father's wife. And it's like, what? In the church. Yeah. And he's like, and you're proud.

Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? even though I'm not physically present, I'm with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present, which shows you again, we have a misunderstanding when people say, don't judge me. And Paul's like, oh, I'm making a judgment on this. Yeah, this is bad. Yeah. But then he tells you why.

And I think this is fascinating. When you were assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus, and I am with you in spirit, And look what else. And the power of our Lord Jesus is present. Hand this man over to Satan, which goes in with the theme of God's judgment that are brought up in Exodus, which is kind of what that means.

It's always you're handed over to your own devices so you can deconstruct, decreate, whatever word you want to use to describe that, and realize this is not God's plan for your life. You will suffer in the consequences of your decisions. Think Romans 1. Remember when it says God handed them over, handed them over, handed them over, handed them over. So he's just not preventing it.

So that the flesh may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord. And we've talked about that before. And then he says, your boasting is not good. don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? So now he's describing this new creation that the body of believers is in Christ. And it's like you allow that to happen. It's affecting the image it's supposed to be portrayed that there is a God. And we love one another and we do what's right.

And we speak the truth and love, all that. So it says, get rid of all the old. old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast as you really are, then this is the point I'm wanting to get to. For Christ, our Passover lamb, he literally just says that. Yeah. Has been sacrificed. Therefore, let us keep the festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth. truth. I just found that fascinating. In 1 Corinthians 5, 1 Corinthians 10, it seems to link up with what he

was predicting when he said, can you drink the cup I'm going to drink? You know, and you think Passover cup. And can you be baptized with the baptism? I was. And you go to this new exodus thinking the freedom we have in Christ as a new creation. And he chose to do that. And he chose to do the this on Passover. It's mentioned twice in John 18. And he's not doing that by accident. No. No, it's intentional. Exodus is kind of the way I view the story of Exodus is it's an echo of Genesis and it's a foreshadowing of what we realize in Christ. And so when you think about the past, that's a good point there. Let that linger, Zach. That's really good. Yeah. Well, I think it echoes in the Passover, when it echoes back to even like the story of Isaac, right? You have Genesis 22. So you see

like the sacrifice there, and then there's a ram caught in the thicket. So it's another echo of Genesis there. And that ram was the substitute, right? So sacrifice your only son. And then there's going to be a sacrifice that Abraham's going to make, and then God's going to provide a substitution. So it's echoing back to that. It's echoing back to the garden, if you remember the garden, when man sin for the first time, and then kind of the plagues entered the world. The plague there was that man realized he was naked, man and woman, they realized they were naked. They ran and they hid. And then, so there's that idea of shame entering into the world, and then God says, your covering is not going to do.

So he has to shed the blood of an animal and cover them with a more durable covering, which is foreshadowing the Passover land, which is foreshadowing Christ. And so there's all this in there. It's like it just loops. The story loops over and over and over again. So when you get to John 18, and this is right before Christ is going to be executed. So he's going to be crucified. And so the interesting thing about that is that.

that in the past it was the lamb would be sacrificed at Passover for the sins of the people, so to speak, and this was like you're covering, right? This blood over the doorpost was you're covering, just like God gave a durable covering when Adam and Eve's sin for the first time, and that took blood to do that. And so what you see at every step along the way is the necessity of blood. It was there was a necessity of blood when they're covering. up with fig leaves and God's like, not going to do. There's bloodshed. Now you have leather. You're covering up with leather.

There's bloodshed at the Passover. And then now we're in the final story of bloodshed, which is going to be the blood of God himself, God in flesh, God incarnate, shedding his blood for the sins of the people. And then when he's resurrected, the way that we get into that, in Acts 2, what was the story? Repent and be baptized. And now you're going through the Dead Sea. I mean, you're going through the Red Sea. And we're just like Israel was baptized through the water, which is also a foreshadow, an echo of Genesis whenever Noah was saved through the water.

Well, and Genesis, one, even in the creation process, the waters were parted. Yeah, from chaos to order. Even followed Zach the trail of the baptisms themselves, because Jesus just read it. So we talked about the baptism of Moses, is the way Paul put it. Then we have the baptism of John, which was the calling of Israel to repentance, the Lamb of God has come, you know, prepare yourselves for the bride of Christ. And then you had the baptism of Christ, which we then see unfolding in the book of Acts.

And now we're 2,000 years, we get that. So over the course of human history, it's been, you see the plan of God. as it's unfolded through every aspect of it. I mean, it's just so, it's so clear. And what, in every Sunday at our church, we partake in the Lord's Supper, which is also, you know, the Passover lamb, the Passover foreshadowed the Eucharist and the Lord's Supper. So I think when you start to see how these things continue to echo throughout eternity, and then even what we're participating in now is a foreshadowing of what we're going to get at the end. of time or at the end of the, when the second coming of Christ occurs. And what that does for me is it moves a lot of conversations I used to have. I don't even know where it moves them to. It just

makes them seem so small. It's like questions like, do you have to be baptized? Or it's like, what? Like, what do you? Do you know? Like, look at this is a lot. I've said on record. I think that's the dumbest question I've ever. It's just like, what? I don't even know. It's like, that question doesn't exist when we begin to see the beauty of what God is unfolding. And that story, the deeper we get into it, I'm seeing more connection. How the whole story from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22, it is like, it's so connected that it's like a divine connection that you can't, I mean, and the deeper I get into it, the more I see that it's connected. And it makes sense now when you read verses like that the word of God is living and breathing.

You're like, okay, I think I kind of get that now. Oh, yeah. But you have to take that high up view, though, because Jay's just brought that point in 1st Corinthians five days. When you get to 1st Corinthians 11, and he's talking about the supper, he's talking about your gatherings together. It's so interesting because he comes back. And even though the bread is unleavened, people now even make such a big deal about,

oh, is it 11 bread or not? The picture he's trying to present is you don't want the, old way. That person has been put to death. The idea of the leavening is the idea of bringing that death over. We died to that. We're not living that way. Which makes sense on why Jesus said, I am the way. And you think, and people don't talk about, look, this was about liberation, freedom from sin and death, from the old world, from your enemies. And I'll give you an example of what you said, Zach, you know, what triggered, uh, what resulted after the parting of the Red Sea.

And so think about it. These are two terrifying things. I mean, a plague comes on, the firstborn. You know, you have this Passover moment. Then you have the moment at the Red Sea. I mean, just think how terrifying that would be to experience in real life. But then God delivers you. He frees you from not only the results of captivity

and sin, but also the possibility of death in going through something that would always produce death unless God intervened. Yeah. And it resulted in the first worship song in the Bible, which is Exodus 15. And I want to just read a couple lines of that and see how that foreshadows what we have in Christ. So this is Exodus 15 after they've... gone through the sea. Then Moses and the Israelites sang this song to the Lord. I will sing to the Lord, for he is highly exalted. The horse and its rider, he has hurled into the sea. The Lord is my strength

and my song. He has become my salvation, which is the Hebrew word for what Jesus' name is, that Yeshua. He is my God, and I will praise him, my Father's God, and I will exalt him. The Lord is a warrior. The Lord is his name. But when you even think about how he pulled this off, he was basically he let the oppressors, the enemies, defeat themselves, by handing them over and then allows them to walk through. It wasn't like he fought like we think of fighting as a warrior does. And so then he says verse 6, your right hand, oh Lord.

They're singing this song was majestic in power. your right hand, oh Lord, shattered the enemy. Well, just think of where Jesus is right now. How is he depicted? He's at the right hand of God. And we're over here in Exodus. But then I love this in verse 10, but you blew with your breath.

Well, what does breath always signify? You know, the Holy Spirit. Yeah. And the sea covered them. They sank like lead in the mighty water. So then when he gets to verse 11, it shifts to like the future. It says, who among the gods is like you, O Lord?

Who is like you, majestic and holiness, awesome and glory? You stretched out your right hand and the earth swallowed them. And watch verse 13. In your unfailing love, you will lead the people you have redeemed. Remember when we went through what redemption means? Not only what he did on the cross, but the resurrection. And then verse 16, tear and dread will fall upon them the enemies of God. By the power of your arm, they will be as still as a stone until your people pass by, oh Lord,

until the people you brought pass by. You will bring them in and plant them on the mountain of your inheritance. Well, that sounds familiar. Think of Ephesians one, through the spirit. you've been given this inheritance. The place, oh Lord, you made for your dwelling. Well, we're the dwelling place of God. Think the last two verses of Ephesians too.

We rise to become the holy temple of God in which the spirit dwells. Your hands established. And then look at verse 18. The Lord will reign forever and ever. And there's the king of kings, which leads you to that conversation back to what he was having with Pilate. I mean, isn't that fascinating? It is.

When you're reading that, I think, man, you see Jesus all in it. It reminded me of that. You guys ever heard that quote by C.S. Lewis? Because I think we get into this. I mean, you guys are seeing Jesus and everything. And it reminds me of that quote where C.S. Lewis says, I believe in the sun, not because I can see it, but because by it, I can see everything else. And I think, man, what the Christ is just saturated in the,

the Old Testament. He really is saturated in that song, that worship song that you, which you said, you said that was the first worship song in the Bible? It is. It's interesting. And you do see. You've never heard that before? I don't know if I've ever put that together. Google it and then you can tell me all right. It is true. And what I was going to mention that so John mentions it first in John 1828. He mentions the time of day it is in the Passover. And that would have been the time where the lambs were being prepared for Passover sacrifice. And then he mentions it again in 1914, the sixth hour. And this would have been the time the lambs would have been being slaughtered.

Now, this is right in the middle of Jesus being our Passover lamb. And so you see the symbolism is so rich here because it's just as Paul had described. This is exactly what he's doing. for us. And, you know, it's interesting because when I was doing a deeper dive this weekend into crucifixion itself, just as an execution tactic of the Romans, which, by the way, goes back even before them. They just perfected it in terms of what they did. But they would drag out these things for as long as possible, because the idea was you wanted the people to see that if you cross the Roman Empire, you're going to take a week plus to die on this tree. And it was,

it was brutal. It was terrible. It was awful. But what's interesting about our story, and we're right in the middle of it because we hadn't quite gotten there yet with Jesus being crucified. But the idea here is that because of the political environment and the way this is all going down, everything is going to be rushed forward to get this done before the Passover. So they don't even realize it, but they're actors in a play that's already been written a long time ago, as Isaiah 53 and all these other texts. And they're not the main characters. They're not the main characters. That's the thing. Well, and that was my whole point for bringing this up.

When you read that song in Exodus 15, it's just as much about the enemies of God being defeated and God bringing freedom to his people than it is about, you know, forgiveness of sins and even overcoming death. I mean, all those things are intermingled. And that's what's happening with Jesus. Just think about it. One of the names for the evil one, which he, you know, in John 12, when he said about, you know,

defeating the evil one now is the time he stands condemned, which is the ultimate enemy in power against God. But there are all sorts of spiritual forces of evil at work. And you think about what Jesus is going through here. How many times is he accused? in John 18 and John 19, and just in the whole book. It's accusation after accusation, after accusation. And their lies.

Yeah, oh, they're all lies. I was looking into them just on the Internet about how many times Jesus was accused. There is a list as long as you can read from everything from blaspheming to, you know. Well, the last one that he got... Yeah, breaking the law, various occasions. Yeah, one of the last ones that he was accused of was they said that this man said that he will destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days. And he never said that. He said, if you destroyed this temple, he said, you destroyed this temple and I will rebuild it in three days, speaking of his body.

And so I think when you think about Jesus as a Passover lamb, here's what interesting is if you look at the tabernacle, they had this. fence around it, and then like you'd walk in from the, basically, everything was eastbound facing east. So you'd walk in and you would see, right when you walk in the courtyard, you would see this altar where they would actually sacrifice the animals, right? And so you understand that when Jesus came, John, the beginning of John, he said the word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we have seen his story. So Jesus was the actual tabernacle. So when you walk into the tabernacle and you see that altar there, the bronze altar where they would sacrifice the lamb. John 129 says, behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

So he's the tabernacle. He's the lamb. The next thing you come to is the laver, which is John 138, unless I wash you, you have no part of me. That's the place where the priest would clean himself up. Jesus is the labour. He's the lamp stand. John 8, 12, I am the light of the world.

Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness. He's the showbred. Once you walk into the holy place, there's a. table that has the show bread, 12 loaves of bread on it. John 6, as you mentioned, Jason, Jesus says, I am the bread of life. Then you got the incense altar where they would make, they would intercede on behalf of the people. And that's John 11 where Jesus says that he's thankful that the father has heard him because he always hears him. He's the veil. He's the ark. He's the mercy seat. And ultimately, what Christ is is he is the glory cloud. He is the manifesting presence

of God, John 114, we have seen his glory. Glory as the only son from the Father, full of grace and truth. That's who Christ is. He is what enables us to actually see the Father. We see the Father through Jesus. So Jesus ends up being more than just the Lamb. He's all of it. He's the beginning and the end of the whole thing. And even the unblemished part, because you couldn't have a lamb that had a broken bone. So even at the end, when they didn't break his bones, it's because because he's an unblemished lamb. All right, we're out of time. Man, some good stuff we brought up.

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