Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1203 | Jase Misses Phil Most When the Weather Guys Cry Rain & Deliver Dust

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Cooler temps have Jase missing Phil and imagining exactly what he’d be saying about all the missed weather reports. Jase points out how people have always craved the same three things—sex, money, and power. Al and Zach connect the dots from the ancient kings of Israel to the modern world’s obsession with the same idols. The guys dive into how Jesus turned the entire system upside down, conquering not through wealth or force but through sacrifice, proving that real power comes from surrender, not control. In this episode: Deuteronomy 17, verses 6–7, 14–20; 1 Samuel 8, verses 1–22; 1 Samuel 16, verse 7; Daniel 2; Luke 17, verses 20–21; Luke 21, verses 5–6, 12, 20; Luke 22, verse 53; Luke 23, verses 1–25; John 18, verse 36; John 19, verse 8; Matthew 27, verse 24; Matthew 3, verse 10; Luke 24, verse 7; Mark 9, verse 1 Chapters: 00:00-05:50 Jase calls out the weatherman 05:51-16:34 God’s criteria for Israel’s king 16:35-23:24 Israel chooses evil kings over & over 23:25-27:32 Jesus & Barabbas have the same name 27:33-39:16 Evil creates strange bedfellows 39:17-45:48 Pilate’s wife dreams of Jesus 45:49-56:49 Jesus leaves Pilate & Herod’s households shaken -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? It's one of the few jobs in life. I want you to start right here. It's one of the few jobs in life that literally anyone can do. Name that job. It was not podcasting. Weather people, predicting the weather. Because it doesn't matter if you're right. Well, they're usually wrong, right? Yeah. Isn't that your experiences? Well, they were wrong on this rainfall, well.

The weather has turned. And that's why we have another exciting episode of the Unashamed podcast. You got the fire, toasty fire behind. Hey, that's the first thing I said when I came in. I was like, oh, man, we have a fire in the background. But now you realize why we have the fire. 86 degrees up here. That's 86 behind me, my little, I'm freezing.

86 degrees. 86. I'm not getting that joke. I don't, I mean, I've got my thermostat set to 86 and it's still cold in here. That's embarrassing. Yeah. You've lost your man, Zach. You need an H-Back guy, Zay.

I don't think it's working is what I'm saying. It's not about me and not having the tolerance. It's about to, it's not putting out. enough hot air. That was the joke. I was wondering, and they're somewhere in there. But see,

now you know while we actually have the fire after the fire bit, we're... Then we had the whole fire episode a couple episodes ago. We're people who stare at fires. But are you doing it

thinking about the resurrection? Or are you doing it thinking about all the ways you have not done the right thing? You see? It's a pretty good... Well, we had, I told you we had a little, it was kind of a old folks camp down here,

retreat. Bill and Hawk and our A&Js were down. And so everybody, it's interesting because like Lisa and Bill's had, our friend Bill had prostate cancer. And ever since he's had this treatment, he's cancer-free now, which is great. But he just whatever meds, they put on some trial on, he gets hot flashes. So he's like he's going through male menopause. He's like an old woman. And so he and Lisa are hot flashing.

And Ann Ann's like mom. She's got 14 blankets on it. It's just every time you walk in, somebody's burning up and somebody's freezing. It's like, I don't know. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. And it's just normal. I mean, it's cool down here. It's 63.

It feels like 55. Took him to the beach. All the people in the north, they're like, wow. It's cold. So you're in the first stages of some form of hypothermia. I'm like, who is crisp this morning? Ow, the next time you go to the beach, you're going to have to wear pants. That's right.

Possibly a light jacket. I wore a short yesterday, Jason. I was like, man, I got to start dressing for the occasion. It's cold down here. It's so funny. We're all in our own little world. That's why I was upset about the weather, man, because we don't have any water. because the river is below what it normally is,

which is kind of a controversial thing on why that is. And no one will give a clear answer. They said they were working on the locking down system, but that was about three years ago. So it's like, where are we at on that project? Well, didn't they raise it to begin with for barge traffic? I mean, wasn't that the purpose of? Yeah.

Yeah. I think the root of it is money. But the problem is we can't pump out of the river to pump our duck holes. So we got this nice front today. And you're like, it should be, you should be getting ducks on your property. But unless we can talk some ducks into lighting on dry land, we may have a problem this year. So I was a little disappointed because they were calling for heavy rains, heavy, heavy. That's a feel.

impersonation. So if dad were around, Jay's, would he not be trying to pump water onto it? Is that, you know, are you just not going to do that? Yeah, he would basically, well, if you get to this stage, then you would, I mean, everything's doable, depending on how much money you want to spend. Right, I got you. I'm not spending six figures on getting some water out there. I know, yeah.

Because that's about what it would take. And so, but I could see Phil, I thought about him this morning because he would, he heard the weather report it's going to rain. I can see he'd rub his hands together and like, whoa, ho, ho, ho, they're coming. They're coming. And then this morning, he would have awakened. And it's like, what happened all that weather, that rain? I mean, it's cold, but wasn't much of a rain phenomenon. So then he would say, boy, he'd unleash his frustrations out on weathermen.

And that's usually when you get a call from dad when something like that, and he had like, you know, something on his mind about that. And he would just have the conversation as if we've been talking about it all day. And then he's just a, yep, yep, yep, and he's off the phone. Yeah, he would not be happy. Well, that reminds me. I promised, that reminds me, I promised to go through 1st Samuel 8 like two weeks ago. what happened so only our everyday listeners will remember that probably all the new listeners because we're in john 18 and we're we have this interesting dynamic about the kingdom comes up

yeah this discussion paul it's like are you a king he's like jesus my kingdom is not from this place and and it's we kind of talked about that conversation uh i'm not sure where we landed on that, but I think, I don't think Pollitt was taking him very serious. He was looking at him like, because he knows where he's from. I'm sure he had already heard about this going on out there, but he's from the wrong part of town. He has no money.

He has no army. He has no home. He's doing a lot of good things socially and bringing people together, but to say that you're a king, I just have to think that he thought, yeah, he's got some mental disorders here. So I promised to kind of give you the history of that, how we got here, you know? Right. I definitely want you to do that because I think that's interesting. And today we get into this Barabbas thing too because that's right there in the text.

Before you do that, Jess, I want to give a little shout out to our good friends at Family Research Council. That's Tony Perkins organization up in Washington. They have been frontliners for a long time in terms of everything we believe about God and about why our country was founded. So they're kind of the frontline people in D.C. I want you guys at Unashamed Nation to check them out. If you want to help them out, you can give to that FRC.org slash Unashamed. So First Samuel 8, that's where you're at. Well, but to appreciate First Samuel 8, I want to read something out of Deuteronomy 17 concerning the laws.

And y'all can help me give the history of that, which it's a really interesting read. But because he's kind of going through what being the nation representing God as Israel is supposed to look like. So there's various laws in here, which when I was reading kind of the background of this, the first paragraph of Deuteronomy 17 is really interesting. And you see this brought up in the New Testament, talking about establishing testimony based on two or three witnesses. What I found fascinating, I never noticed this before before I get to the point about the king. In verse 6 of Deuteronomy, it says, on the testimony of two or three witnesses, a person is to be put to death. And I found this interesting because here we are, I mean, they're accusing Jesus.

And I realize the Jews have now handed him over to Roman authority because they're wanting Rome to kill him. Right. But it's like, you know, how are you going to come up with some witnesses over a man who's never done anything wrong? And based on their law, you kind of see why they're doing it. I mean, this is just a side point. But I thought it was really interesting because I didn't realize in their law, watch where this goes. In verse 6 of Deuteronomy it says, but no one is to be put to death

on the testimony of only one witness, which is interesting. You think about our system today. You got one witness. That may be enough. They wanted two or three, but what's the next catch to it in verse 7? The hands of the witnesses

must be the first in putting that person to death. I thought, that's an interesting law. So it's like, not only, are you going to be the witness? You have to participate in the sentencing. You throw the first rock.

Yeah, which puts your testimony to the test. It's kind of like if you really saw this. You got skin in the game. Yeah. You got real skin in the game. Because you would have to live,

that's a good point, that's because you have to then live with this, which is interesting that in our context of what we're talking about here, these Jewish leaders, they don't want to be the one to kill Jesus. And then Pilate, who has the authority to do it, he doesn't want to be the way. He's like, this guy had done anything wrong. So it's like, you see, and nobody wants to be the guy when it comes to Jesus. Well, yeah, and the reason I brought it up, because I read all the account, which Barabbas is in all

four account. Yeah. But one of the accounts, I'll have to look it up and figure out which one, but it's in there. Trust me. It's either, uh, let's see. I'll read it. wrote these down somewhere. But one of them where pilots, he brings out some water and washes his hands and says, you know, for the record, I wash my hands of this man's guilt or innocence. So, and he declares that he's innocent. He's like, I'm saying there's no basis for a charge. So anyway, going from there, my point is in Deuteronomy 17, they have the

rule or prediction about a king because at this point they don't have a king right right but he addresses said potential king which is going to be interesting when we get to first samuel eight which is the birthplace of israel having a king so listen to this uh this is Deuteronomy 17 14 when you enter the land the lord god is giving you and have taken possession of and settled in it. And you say, let us set a king over us like all the nations around us. This prediction comes true when we get to 1 Samuel 8. Be sure to appoint over you a king, the Lord your God chooses. That's a key little phrase there. He must be from among your fellow Israelites. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not an Israelite. The king, moreover,

must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself. This is the part I really want to zero in on. Of course, we're like, oh, what's the big deal, a bunch of horses? Well, the horses is symbolic of, it's our modern day warships. This is the power. You got a bunch of horses and a bunch of fighters. Or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them. It's like whoever has the most horses back there has the most power.

Yep. Get it, horse power. Yeah, I got a good one. I did that all the top of my head, that. That was good. So look, you see what you did there, is that? You're not to go back. But if you have to explain it, though, Jay, so you kind of ruined the joke.

I thought that was the joke. Y'all never even broke a smile. So then it says verse 17, he must not take many wives or his heart will be led astray. I mean, now we're going back to what was set up in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 here, the ideal, because what happens with people in power? Well, they do whatever they want. But watch how this works. And also, Jays, that was a huge way in ancient days of political alliances was taken away from another country.

And then all of a sudden it's like you had a vassal. And so it became a lot about political alliance too. Yeah. And you're basically, once you get in power, you're breeding your own ancestry, you know, kind of with a God-like complex. But then it says, and he must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

I mean, just think about this. What do you have here? You have power, sex, and money. Well, what do people do as far as the earthly kingdom? What do they pursue? Those are the three big things. Yeah, power, sex and money.

Well, I mean, the Bible all of a sudden seems way more relevant. Something in Deuteronomy seems like, Oh, well, yeah, okay. Not much has changed here. So then it says when he takes the throne of his kingdom, now here's what the proper king. He shouldn't do that.

Don't get into money, sex, or earthly power as far as defining your kingdom. I think this is hilarious. Here's what you should do. When he takes the throne of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll a copy of this law, taken from that of the Levitical priest. It is to be with him, and he is to read it all the days of his life so that he may learn to revere the Lord His God

and follow carefully all the words of this law in these decrees, and not consider himself better than his fellow Israelites and turn from the law to the right or to the left. Then he and his descendants will reign a long time over his kingdom in Israel. Just think that had to be read. he's like go in your room and you read this thing meditate on it and do what the Lord wants you to do it's good advice for if you want to have a king this is what it's should love in which you know it's interesting just when you study the kings uh all the different ones in Israel there were periods

of time as it got worse and worse especially in north Israel when they split where they didn't even know where the law was like Somebody would find a copy of it. It'd been like three kings didn't even know there was a law. So, you know, they definitely did not heed what God told them to do. I've got, in my Bible, I've got at the end of, I believe, second kings, I've got a little chart I made just to look at the two, because, you know, to your point, the kingdom divided.

So you have Israel and Judah, and that was the king. kingdom divides. And I wrote down, I literally went through every single king, and I wrote their name down. So if they were a king of either Judah or Israel, I wrote their names down. And then beside it, I wrote whether the Bible said they were evil or not. And every single king of Israel was evil, and almost every one of them in Judah was evil. And even the ones in Judah that were good, like David I mean he wasn't that good you know what I mean

he had problems I have in fact I'm looking at it right now in Judah I've got well you got the United Kingdom that was there was three kings in the United Kingdom the first one or saw four

saw evil unknown I didn't say that the second one David was righteous Solomon actually ended evil then you go Judah when the kingdom splits You got one, two, three, four, five, righteous.

The rest of them says they're evil, and everyone in Israel is evil. Yeah, all 20 plus, yeah, that is not good. But they demanded a king. Well, right. So you get to Samuel, and Samuel's interesting. He's probably, I don't know how many other biblical characters are revered in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. But Samuel is. And he was a prophet, a judge, and a priest.

and that was kind of the model they were going. They had the judges to settle these disputes and all this. He was the last of that group. You're right, Jay's. Yeah, so I think this is interesting where this is going because when you get to 1st Samuel 8, it says, and you have this other aspect of this as far as the legacy, and we were talking about Phil earlier in passing down, you know,

to your firstborn or to your kids the legacy you're leaving. And that's what created the problem here, which then resulted in having a king, because when you start reading in 1 Samuel 8, when Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as Israel's leaders. Well, that sounds great. There was a problem with that. And you see what it is. The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second Abijah, and they served at Beersheba. But his sons did not follow his ways. Yeah.

So we have a problem here. Because it's like, well, that's who's supposed to be leading us, but they didn't have the character that Samuel did. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice. So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel. They said, you are old and your sons do not follow your ways. Now appoint a king to lead us. like all the other nations have.

So that's why I read the Deuteronum 17. Well, that turned out to be a prophetic thing, because this is what's happening now. And the Lord said, listen to all, oh, I skip this part, verse 6. But when they said, give us a king to lead us, this displeased Samuel. So he prayed to the Lord, and the Lord told him,

listen to all that the people are saying to you, it is not you they have rejected but they have rejected me as their king this is the lord talking here so as they have done from the day i brought them out of egypt until this day forsaking me and serving other gods i mean you remember the story of the golden calf all that now listen to them but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over over them will claim as his rights. And so he goes through all of that on what's gonna happen. And verse 19, the people refuse to listen to Samuel.

No, they said, we want a king. Then we will be like all the other nations with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles. And that's why I wanted to read this, because especially when you get to Barabbas, and Jesus, which, by the way, had the same name. Barabbas means son of the father.

Yeah. And here's Jesus, who's talking about his father, his whole ministry, the son of God. And it's like you have two representations of Israel here. You have one who has been convicted of an insurrection because he's leading a revolt. He's trying to up in this Roman authority through wars and insurrection. And then you have Jesus who's claiming this, and he's coming at it from a different angle, because he's like, my kingdom's not of this place.

If it was, we would pick up weapons to fight. I mean, don't you find that fascinating? It is. It goes all the way back to here where they're wanting a king to fight battles with the weapons, and that's why I have the most horses, and let's get all the wise we can and lots of silver and gold. So verse 21, when Samuel heard all that the people said,

he repeated it before the Lord. The Lord answered and said, listen to them, give them a king. Then Samuel said to those Israelites, everyone, go back to your own town. So we know what happened after that. So Saul is the first king. And it's interesting because he was tall. and, you know, there's some kind of giant connection there, I think. And he was, because they're thinking all about fighting, like other king.

We want to be the greatest kingdom on earth, but they've got a earthly kingdom mindset because God is their king. Won't you trust him and do us right? But they didn't want to do it. So you fast forward, because that didn't go well with Saul. And you fast forward to 15, 1 Samuel 15, and you kind of see the demise. You can read that. There were a series of things that happened, but the bottom line was Saul really didn't want to be the king.

I mean, it was such a weird thing. It was almost like they, remember when the Bible talked about them trying to force Jesus to become king? You know, and he like slipped away from him earlier when we were in John. That's kind of the story with Saul. I almost feel sorry for him because he really never wanted it and God didn't want it. And yet the people did. And they got him for all the wrong reasons. And it just didn't work out at all.

And so he wasn't having a terrible death. So I wanted to move that story to 1 Samuel 15, 34, and 35. Now, you can read all the details on your own time, but Saul ultimately didn't trust God. And you get to 35 of 15. It says, until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And the Lord regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel, which when you read that, don't panic.

We don't really have the English words for whatever. Because God didn't want to do that from the beginning. He allowed them to do it. And now we're getting into this judgment-type mindset. that where when your heart turns from God, he allows that to take place for you to learn that, no, we should have just listened to the Lord from the star. And then he also does what God does.

He then, because you get to 1st Samuel 16, and now you're introduced to David becoming king. And that whole process, there's a famous verse in there that I use often. in 1 Samuel 16, 7, but the Lord said to Samuel, do not consider his appearance or his height, because that's what they did with Saul. Yeah. And Samuel did the same thing,

because soon as he saw the oldest brother, who was the young strapping buck of this family, as soon as he saw him, he's like, oh, yeah, here we go. You're correct. That's the context for this verse. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart, which eventually leads to David being chosen.

Here's a guy out, the youngest brother, and the smallest. I looked at that Hebrew word, the smallest. And what is he doing? Well, he's out there taking care of sheep. And I even think, you know, we read Isaiah 11 when we were talking about this, and it's like predicting this new son of Jesse, speaking of Jesus, in that line, you know, a king would come. It's a real interesting read after you put all this together.

And all that leads us to Daniel 2 and Daniel 7, which there's so much language in the Gospels being used from Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 because it's literally about Jesus setting up this kingdom. on earth in the line of David. But I think it, you see how all of that traced its roots there. And so, and even with Jesus, not only are you getting a king, but you're getting a priest, prophet, and a king, you know, and a judge per se, but it's representing, you know, humans, but God himself,

and he's innocent, pure, and heart. You don't have to worry about this temptation of all. the kingdoms. You know what I found fascinating that I hadn't thought about, Al, in Matthew 4, when Jesus is tempted, you remember when the evil one, he took him up to the high place and said, look at all the kingdoms. He was basically saying, look what I've created, which comes back to that money, sex, and power. I'll give you all these if you'll bow down and worship me. And so I just wanted to give that as the backdrop for what this conversation is about here. Yeah.

The kingdom versus the kingdoms and what Jesus is representing. And I really think you see that in Jesus Barabbas and Jesus, the Son of God, and them picking where they want to go from here as far as a king. No, I think you're right. And it's interesting because you said it. God established an eternal covenant, is what he called it, with David, about the king, the ultimate king, when he would become flesh, when the son of man would come, that it would be, that mark would be back to David. So from God's perspective, he was really the only king he chose. And then, of course, it goes from the lineage after that. But just to show you, you're right, Jay's what, Zach was talking about

all the evil that came from the kings in Israel through their history. And by the time we get to the first century, you know, a couple of podcasts ago, we read the little segment about Herod, who was the son of Herod the Great, but he was part of four, I guess you could air quote and call them kings of Israel. But look at what effect they had on what was going on there politically. None, nothing. Like, you know, Pilate tried to Paul and Jesus off hoping Herod might do something. about it, but he didn't even know what to do other than mock him and dress him in, you know,

a purple robe and send him back to Pilate. That just shows you the ineptitude of what happened in Israel. You talk about lack of power in a king. I mean, it got to this point. They had no power. But then David, too, was from the tribe of Judah. And so you have the prophecy or the picture in Revelation, was it four or five. where it says, behold, the lion from the tribe of Judah.

And then he turns and sees the land that looked as though it had been slain standing. So Jesus is that figure. He's like the new David. Or David's like a prefiguration of Jesus. One, because he was chosen to be king. And two, he is from the tribe of Judah. So with the kingdom splits after, it's kind of debatable on that. But I would say the kingdom split after Solomon.

reign. And then the God's side of it was what side? It was Judah all the way through. And so Israel became just wicked. And Judah was the place where God, that was God's people. That was God's lineage. That was the lineage that he was going to ultimately bring the king who was going to now be crucified on a cross that we're talking about right here in John 18. Well, I wanted to read the Luke 23 version of that. this because it gives it more legs, the conversation, because you brought up Herod. But it also, I think what I just went through about a king, it makes more sense, I guess, based on reading that.

So this is Luke 23 in Luke's account of where we're at, John 18. It says, then the whole assembly rose and led him off to pilot. And they began to accuse him. There's that word again, which goes in with, why I brought up the evil one. saying, we have found this man subverting our nation. So there's one accusation. Here's the next one. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar.

So now they're bringing Rome in here, and he's saying, you shouldn't pay taxes because remember that conversation, give to Caesar, what is Caesar, but to God, what is God? And claims to be a Messiah, a king. So those were the three accusations that started off here. So Pilate asked Jesus, are you the king of the Jews?

And Jesus replied, you have said so. So Pilate announced to the chief priest in the crowd, I find no basis or a charge against this man. But they insisted, here's another accusation. He stirs up the people all over Judea by his teaching, which doesn't seem like a big thing. But basically they're saying he's a terrorist. That's what terrorism is.

He's promoting fear among all the people. people. Overthrow is what they're claiming. He started in Galilee and has come all the way here. On hearing this pilot asked if the man was a Galilean. When he learned that Jesus was under Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time. But you've got to remember, this is the same guy, and I know why he sent him,

this is the same guy killed John the Baptist. And you're like, well, what led to that? You remember that verse in Matthew 3, I think it's verse. in where John the Baptist is talking about repent and the axe is at the root of the tree of Israel and well that kind of language will get you killed.

Because he's basically, you know, whether you view that as Rome, which I tend to think, you know, it's like, because Rome would eventually destroy the temple at Jerusalem. and it happened in history. And here you have this wild man predicting all this stuff. So, you know, by the way, he also called out Herod for having, mayor and his sister-in-law, you know, there was that too.

Exactly. And I'm sure he had basing that off Deuteronomy 17. Right. Really. And so verse 8 says, when Herod saw Jesus, he was greatly pleased. because for a long time he had been wanting to see him and before you get all giddy about it here's why he wanted to see him for what he had heard about him

he hoped to see him perform a sign of some sort he wanted to see one of his magic tricks yeah he I threw that in there about the magic trick that's something about but that's exactly what he was thinking jays that's exactly what he was thinking he plied him with many questions but Jesus gave no answer the chief priest and the teachers law were standing there vehemently accusing him then herod and his soldiers ridiculed and mocked him dressed dressing him in an elegant robe they sent him back to pilot that day this is fascinating herod and pilot became friends before this they had been enemies so in a strange way jesus was consolidating people bringing people together but i i think think the greater purpose of reading that is because I think it gives you a picture that all the

enemies of God are being brought together to be defeated in what Jesus is fiction to accomplish. It's interesting. The connection there, what's the old phrase, the enemy of my enemy as my friend? Yeah. I mean, you kind of see this a lot, even like in politics. You'll see like strange bedfellows that are actually opposed to one another, but yet their hatred for some righteous cause, they'll actually band together because their hatred for what's right is greater than their love for whatever their particular thing is. You see this play out even today, that kind of weird, strange partnership that evil, you know, the evil does. Oh, you're right. So look, then you get to

verse 13. Pollitt called together, chief priest, rulers of people, and said, you brought me this man as one who was inciting the people to rebellion. I have examined him in your presence and found no basis for your charges against him. Neither has Herod, for he sent him back to us, as you can see, he's done nothing to deserve death. Therefore, I will punish him and release him. But the whole crowd shouted,

away with this man, release Barabbas to us. And this is where I got that earlier when I said, where was that verse. Barabas had been thrown into prison for an insurrection in the city and for murder. Wanting to release Jesus, Pilate appealed to them again, but they kept shouting, crucify him, crucify him. For the third time he spoke to them, why? What crime has this man committed?

I have found no grounds for the death penalty. Therefore, I will have him punish him, but with loud shouts and insistently demanded that he be crucified and their shouts prevail. So Pilate decided to grant their demand. He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, the one they asked for, and surrendered Jesus to their will. No, and tried to wash his hands of it, which is really interesting because Barabbas, you know, this is another attempt. John's account of it is a little different, a little nuance a little bit different.

But he basically, he frames it as. as pilot trying to find a way out for Jesus. I mean, he doesn't want to kill him. And we talked about this half death, which is what we'll get into in 19, which is discouraging and all that. But he's thinking that's enough. But, you know, it shows you the power of a mob, too, Jays. You know, by now, a lot of these are the same people that were lining up the streets

with the palm leaves when Jesus came into Jerusalem. And now they're so bloodthirsty because they're, they've been whipped into this frenzy that he has to die. And it's kind of like what Zach was talking about earlier, you know, you get these evil forces joining together, and it just creates a bloodlust. I mean,

you see it now. You see like a crowd of people get behind something, and some people put the right money in there and get them stirred up. And all of a sudden, they'll do things as a mob that they would never do as an individual. And I think you're seeing that present here in the storyline. And NTIRA made it. interesting point because he talked about it how it was like a reverse substitution. You know,

Pilate had this plan. You had this really bad guy that Rome didn't, I mean, he was a true insurrectionist. So he wasn't good for the Jews. He wasn't good for the Romans. And yet he was willing to say, I'll release him because you get one, you know, you get one get out of jail free card on the Passover, let it be this guy who was an enemy to everyone who was guilty and beyond reasonable. He had plenty of witnesses. And he said, well, I release him, but they said, no, we want the other one. We want the innocent one. And he was saying that that's representative of what Jesus did for all of us, that innocence and truth had to be put to death for the guilty and for the wicked, which is all of us. He says it's just a microcosm of

exactly what Jesus did for everybody. So again, Pilate had a plan to try to subvert what was happening in the then and there. But the real plan was is that Jesus came to do something far greater and far better, which is why he was sacrificed. All right, I found that verse I was looking for. Matthew 27, 24. When Pilots saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. I am innocent of this man's blood. He said, it's your responsibility. And the people's response is interesting. His blood is on us and our children. If you only knew how profound that would be.

And this is right after, you know, his wife had come to him and said, look, I'm having these bad dreams about this man you have, don't have anything to do with that innocent man. She said that word in verse 19. I was glad you brought that up because that's a very, intriguing little detail. John doesn't deal with that, but Matthew did. But it was really interesting

that the forces of good seem to be at work here as well. I mean, why would she have this dream? Why would she have this premonition of all people? Yeah, and that's why I was bringing all this up, because when you

just make a list, which I sat down and wrote the differences in Jesus Barabbas and Jesus, the son of man, because Jesus constantly predicted that this was going to happen. But when he did, he would say, for the son of man must be handed over. I wrote those verses down, if you want to look them up. But over and over, he would say that, I can't read my writing. It was really late when I wrote this down.

Where's that? Jesus, so John 18, why do I have John 18, 10? Simon Peter drew the sword, struck it. Oh, because that's the difference between what Barabbas represented and what Jesus. Because he was here, yeah, because you brought up that spiritual, he's battling the spiritual forces of evil. Think of the book of Ephesians, Ephesians 612. Yeah. And he brings up in Ephesians 612, Paul does the spiritual forces in the heavenly rounds, but he causes the spiritual forces of darkness.

And remember when in John 18, what, 36, is John 1836? Let's see what that is. Oh, yeah, my kingdom is not out of the world, if it were, my servants would fight. So it's a contrast between the different kind of fight here that's going on. Yeah. So look, Luke 24-7, I'll read this. The son of man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified, and on the third day be raised. But he's using that phrase from Daniel 7.

There's a son of man coming on the clouds who's going to set up his kingdom. It all makes sense when you read all these verses. And other places he predicted that, Matthew 17, 22, and 23, Matthew 26, 2, Mark 9, 31. And so then you start seeing who these enemies are that he's addressing, which makes you think back to, you know, not only was there literal darkness when he died and Luke 23, 44, Matthew 2745. But he also, there's a real interesting verse in Luke 22 in verse 53. Listen to this. Luke 22, 53.

Then seizing him, they led him away and took him into the house of the high priest. Peter followed, no, that's 54. 53, the one before. Every day I was with you in the temple courts and you did not lay a hand on me. This is when he was arrested. But this is your hour when darkness reigns. That's the phrase I wanted to get to. What's he talking about? It's all these dark powers, which really goes back to the temptation about the evil one saying, I have all these kingdoms bow down to me. It goes back to the money, sex, and power. We want a king like the other nations. Well, what are they doing? They're just

fighting each other, trying to take over in a worldly way all other nations. And if you think about it, Jay's like all of human history comes to this day. So like everything that had happened up to now, you know, all this stuff we read about in the Bible, many, many things that aren't in the Bible obviously that happened throughout human history. This is the day. I mean, like, the God has come here and all these forces have lined up thinking they're about to defeat him by putting him to death. and people are even participating in it and not even sure why they're participating in it,

but they are. And then you even have these little bit players like Pilate's wife who's like, oh, don't stay away from this guy. And even in John 19, it says in verse 8, Pilate heard this when they said he was a son of God, to your point.

They said he claims to be the son of God. Well, Pilate heard this. He was even more afraid. So you understand like even Pilots, now he is fearful. He knows that... That's a good point because... Something huge is happening here, yeah. Yeah, because we said earlier that pilot wasn't taking him serious,

but we see that at some point he does take him serious because he's like, whatever's going on here is beyond me. And I think that that probably too was... I mean, can you imagine, though, just the presence of Christ? Yeah. I mean, just that alone, like just the... regardless of any evidence, regardless of anything else, like the presence of the physical Christ had to have just carried some kind of crazy power that he just felt it and knew it and

was like, this guy, surely this guy is the son of God, there's something going on here. And I think that that's why when you look at these verses like what you'd mentioned about the son of man must be handed over, I think Luke 24, has a passage that says something similar that the Son of Man must be handed over and then resurrected and ascend. I think it actually may even have the ascension in there. And that goes back to this idea of the

kingdom is coming with power. You know, he says that the kingdom's going to come in power. And I truly believe the fullness of that power, not the fullness of it, but when the spirit came on Pentecost after Jesus was resurrected and ascended, that's when like it was,

it was like, oh, wow, something new, like really new has solidified here. And so this is kind of in that vein of what's happening is what Christ is. He's in the presence here. And you're like, there's something about this guy and whatever he's bringing that is, it's a power that we don't fully understand or know what it is. Exactly. The reason I wanted to read all those where he said when Jesus would predict that he'd be handed over, because that is this idea of, remember when we went through all that about drinking the cup

and all of this history in the Old Testament where God would allow another nation to conquer another nation under the guise of judgment being pronounced. And so now you see what's fixed to happen. Because Jesus wasn't just saying, oh, I'm going to die. I'm going to be handed over. I'm going to be killed. I'm going to be crucified. He was making specific charges that would take place that would show the path to victory,

which was the exact opposite of what Barabbas was trying to do. It's like you see two paths of victory. Do you want to go earthly with fighting and war and money, sex, and power? and then handing it down to the next generation who all of a sudden they're corrupt. And it's just a problem. The whole system is an epic fail. And then you see Jesus's path to victory, which is more of a cosmic spiritual war, defeating all the powers that contributed to this being your way to victory.

And that's what I find fascinating. and I was going to bring up, you know, it goes back to what some of the things he predicted, like in Luke 17, when they were asking him about when the kingdom would come, this is 20 and 21. Once on being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, the coming of the kingdom of God is not something you can observe. Because they're wanting this physical war. Nor will people say, here it is, or there it is. is because the kingdom of God is in your midst or another translation of that is among you.

It's among you. What I've passed on to you, which I think is a picture of being spirit-filled and spirit-led people. And so then even in Luke 21, when he pronounces this judgment on Israel, which is leading to what I read in Luke 23 about this, him being arrested. all the dialogue with that and Herod and Pollitt coming together. Just listen to this. 21-5. Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorn with beautiful stones

and with the gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, as for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another. Every one of them will be thrown down. They're like, when is this going to happen? I mean, what? how can this be? And look at verse 10.

Then he said to them, nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom. So what's he talking about? Verse 12. But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to the synagogues

and put you in prison. So he's kind of putting it in their lifespan, which goes along with Mark 9-1, when he said, no one will taste death. Some of you are standing here will not taste death before you see the kingdom of God come with power. But then when you get to 2120, it says, when you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that the desolation is near. So you see this prediction of what he's saying about what's going to happen to the temple of Jerusalem.

But at the same time, he's representing the temple. He's keeping God's people in a kingdom that cannot be destroyed because by this time he's going to be on the throne in heaven as king of kings conquering all the enemies, including death itself, and giving people a place to go, which is in him that cannot be destroyed, which goes back to Daniel 2 and Daniel 7.

No, and I couldn't help to think about, we're out of time, but I couldn't help to think about that Roman guard, remember at the foot of the cross, when everything happened at the moment when he dies. And he says, surely this man was the son of God, which is interesting because what he did know was, is no, he is the son of God because he's going to be back in three days. Yeah.

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