Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1207 | Jase Announces Unashamed’s First-Ever Retraction & What Is the Curse of Adam?

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Jase and Al open the episode with a sheepish “my bad” after a producer fact-checks one of their rock-’n’-roll memories. What started as an innocent mix-up turns into a full-blown investigation involving parade floats, PETA, and a certain ‘80s icon who wasn’t who they thought she was. The guys marvel at how a simple slip becomes “fake news.” The guys connect the crown on Jesus’ brow back to Adam’s curse, and examine how unbridled idolatry leads to the ruination of generations of lives.  In this episode: John 19, verse 5; Genesis 3, verses 17–18; 1 Corinthians 15, verses 42–57; Hosea 13, verse 14; 1 Peter 2, verses 13–25 Chapters: 00:00-5:00 We’re sorry, Pat Benatar! 05:01-9:08 The cost of unbridled sexual sin 9:09-20:04 Jesus was the “second Adam” 20:15-30:56 Idolatry is the ultimate sin 30:57-37:32 Adam is cursed with thorns  37:33-42:42 Faith & good works are inseparable 42:43-50:00 The least-preached verse in the Bible 50:01-56:38 Submission was the key to saving the world — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. I have to open with a sincere apology. Yes. We will give you time. Is this our first official retraction? Maybe. This is a full. This is a, this is apologies are an order episode. Look, I did it. I did it. I am upset. I did it. Our crack staff, you know, Maddie's, man, he's gone. We mentioned that on the last podcast. She's on a cruise somewhere in the Caribbean.

And Josh, who's our Swiss Army Knife, who used to be our producer, and now he's moved up or outward. I don't know if there's a lateral move, Zach, or Josh, or an upward move. But he does a little bit of everything for us. But he looked up, Deere and I are interlude here, before, from the last podcast to now, which for us is 10 minutes ago, for you guys, it's a day or two. and it was not Pat Benatar that was at the Macy's parade when we were there. It was Joan Jett, which Jay's correctly said, because my mind went to the song. And then I started doubting myself on the podcast.

But then I thought, no, it had to be bad. Not really. You didn't seem like you were doubting. Well, I was strong until I sang the jukebox song. And then I thought, oh, I think I've got the wrong person. I did. This is how fake news starts. This is how fake news starts.

Pat Benettar just, you know, out there minding her own business. So, Pat, if you're a listener, someone's a fan or a friend of Pat Benettar, please give her my apologies. She can hit me with her best shot. It wasn't Pat. It wasn't Pat. But it was Joan Jett. And Josh found out that she was upset. I thought she was upset about being on the bus with us.

He said in the reporting, you know, on the Internet. No, once he said it, I remember. She was supposed to perform. on our float, and she refused to do it because she's a very strong PETA person. Yeah. So she's the people for ethical treatment of animals, and I guess she thought our duck hunting violated that. I feel like we treat animals very ethically.

You're actually surprised. Look, somebody at a meeting somewhere in New York for the Macy's parade said, oh, I got it. Let's get Joan Jett and Duck Dynasty on the float together. What could go wrong? She's into Peta. They're hunting ducks. Oh, yeah, I'm sure it would be great. And she's on the back of our bus fuming about the whole setup, and that was the problem.

So now I get it. Which led her to a new song. You know, she had the one I love rock and roll. And then she came out with the next one, which was I hate Duck Dynasty. I hate Duck Dynasty. I made that up. Look, I made that up. Josh, that's the first time I've seen you laugh.

So that's all it took after eight years. That takes a real man, Al. That takes a real man. You know, Zach, you got to admit when you're wrong. And Jace used to wear the shirt that said I could be wrong. And so we always got to remember that. I was wrong. Pat Benatar, we love you.

Integrity check. Love is a battle. Love is a battlefield. That's what started this. And I don't even have anything against Joan Jets. She didn't want to perform with us, but I still like her music. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. It was like, remember, when y'all were going to be on Jimmy Kimmel and there was the singer that wouldn't appear. Same reason. I'm out. I'm out. I'm not going to be with Jason. Well, the fact that we were on Jimmy Kimmel after.

Well, look at now. That seems pretty amazing. We were on that show. I know. I said very little. And he defended y'all about that whole situation and did a funny, you and Willie did a funny skit. I think it shows you, though, how much the culture has now defined themselves.

I mean, people were, I think, in their respective clubs. It's about different things. And by the way, just to put this in perspective, this wasn't like last year. This was like 13 or 14 years ago. This is a long time ago. That's what I mean. But now everybody's, you know, we're so divided politically. Exactly.

That everyone now is like, I only want people on our show who think like me. What dad used to always say about peter and stuff, he would be like, hey, if you don't want to eat meat, I got no issue with that. He said, vegetables are delicious. and we'll just eat more for the rest of you all. So, I mean, that's kind of living. But if you are a meat eater, if you do claim to be a meat eater, then I don't know how you can do it more ethically than what we have always done the entire life.

Oh, no doubt about it. You live a wild and free life until you don't, and then we eat you. Well, trust me, even in the government, people are controlling the populations of animals, which is what God instituted for humans to do. They just don't go out there and tell you about it. I know certain people who do that, even for the government. So you have to have a balance out there, and things get out.

I think part of our role is, well, one of the main reasons why we were created was to be fruitful, multiply, subdue the earth, and have dominion over it, which I think it includes our dominion over the animal kingdom. Yeah, it's not, that's a true. Yeah. That's what I mean. I thought about this on Sunday because we're going through biblical theology at our church, which is basically how do you read the Bible in the context of the whole story and not isolate things out. And we were in the part about idolatry. And there was a mention from the guy teaching class about the Golden Cab and Exodus and then also the worship of bail.

And I thought about this because he was talking about how idolatry always tries to thwart dominion. And what ends up happening is you give dominion over to the things that you should be having dominion over. You let them rule you instead. And I thought, you know what was what was present at both the worship of the golden calf in Exodus and the worship of bail. What was present at both of those was just unbridled, like sexuality just on display. at both of those. And I thought, it's interesting that that is always attached to idolatry.

And I think the reason why that is is because if you can turn sexuality inward, then you end up worshipping that in and of itself. And it stops the actual procreation and the fruitful multiplication of life. And I wanted to say that because a few weeks ago, we actually had an episode we did with Covenant Eyes, which you got to go back and listen to it. it was episode I think it was 1197 but if you go back and read those responses of all the we were talking about pornography

and sexual integrity and what it means to be a front line 21 man you go back and read those responses and I'm telling you all all the episodes we've done in recent history that one hit a nerve with people because this is where I think the devil's attacking at this moment and I did want to just remind you

guys. We're in this together, and we really want you to be a part of that, by the way. Just give a plug for those guys. You can go to Frontline21.com. Zach, I got a lot of comments as well from people that listen to the podcast that have access to me and just, you know, are kind of a sounding board for me. And I mean, across the board, it was like, man, even if it wasn't personally for them, they were so glad we were talking about it because of what you mentioned, this idea, the falsehood. I love that you compared to idolatry because we kept talking about it in the episode that it's just a false narrative.

It's a false reality. It's not real. And God gave us something real for a reason. And so that goes all the way back. When you mentioned the idolatry, I was talking about in the Old Testament, all of the Ashera polls and all this bail worship and all that was all centered around this exact same thing.

It was supposedly for financial reasons and agriculture, but it always wound up with people, you know, having sex outside of marriage or with other people. as the form of worship, you know, for these things. And then the kids, and then the kids end up being, being the ones that are sacrificed. And we think this is like just Old Testament stuff. But like in the bail worship,

they were actually offering up the product of the sexuality, which is a child. They're offering these children up to this foreign God to be sacrificed and killed. And that's still going on today. So one of the things that we're, so we're in John 19 right now talking about the death of Christ. I mean, you have to understand that evil always, the end of evil is always death.

And the end of God, well, there's no end to God, but the entry into God is always life and fruitful multiplication, which is why I think it's the centerpiece of this story of the cross is the Christ is defeating sin and death and offering up life that we are invited into and to live abundantly. Yeah, and Jace in the last episode kind of led us to this point. get us back there because I can't wait to hear the payoff on his idea because and it's just what you're describing Zach. So Jay's took it back to John 19 verse 5 and we talked about this when Powell said, here is the man. And what a moment that was because it's this recognition of the man Jesus, which goes back to John 1, to Genesis 1 we've been talking about. But one of the

things Jason knows that the word wearing when Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns kind of what that word meant and that took him to exactly where Zach was just hinting at I wasn't planning on making an issue about it it just I was clicking on different words and so then once I read the first Corinthians 15 I was like well I was curious about that so but it goes into what we were talking about on the last podcast about you know here's this contrast between the first creation and the new creation. So you have, there's multiple places in Romans, and Paul uses this, and in First Christ, the end, where he's like the first Adam, and then he references Jesus.

He doesn't say the second Adam, but it's, what is, what does he say earlier in First Corinthians 15? Oh, yeah, it says 22, for as an Adam all die. So in Christ, all will be made alive. That's first Corinthians, 15, 22. So he's already brought this up, this whole chapter, and he starts off reminding the Corinthians, embarrassingly, of the gospel. Yeah.

But it's also reminding them of the gospel according to the scriptures, which is what we've been doing. The Hebrew scriptures that predicted Jesus would come, and remember, this is all a mystery because 1st Corinthians too. Yeah. If the rulers are like, oh, well, there's the guy that's going to crush all. other camp, we're not killing him because this is actually the plan for us to lose. It's a mystery, but it was always there. That's what Paul says.

It's always there. Yeah. It's like, oh, it was always there the whole time. We just missed it because it was a mystery. Even this scene we're in with the scourging and the flogging, it was predicted in Isaiah 53. I mean, the picture was clear. So you have a lot of things going on here. Jesus is fulfilling all of these prophecies, and people, are looking, seeing it fulfilled, but they're like, well, it just can't be. Because this is not the way we would do it.

If I were God and I came down, I'm not doing it this way. I'm not being slapped and spit upon. No, let's go conquer. If we're going to conquer some kingdoms, this is, I mean, let's play some heavy rock music and go blow some stuff up. That's just the way we think. and it's not a picture of God that a lot of people want to embrace. And I believe they miss it because of that.

Well, and think about how much they missed it in the moment. We talked about this through the whole study of John. Their thought was the Messiah came to get the Roman boot off our neck and for us to now be the boot to everybody else. Well, that was never the plan. That was never the plan. And you see it with this crown of thorn. I mean, you talk about recreation, go back to the garden.

Right. Are you getting there? Well, that's where I was meant. I mentioned that last time, like, why he wore the thorns. And I think First Corinthians 15 does something that I never noticed before. And that's why I wanted to share this, because when he used that word wearing the crown of thorns. Also means bearing. Baring, wearing, yeah.

So in First Corinthians 15, I didn't notice this because I just didn't notice it. So I want to read this because I'm going to get to your point, Zach, that you just brought up about the garden because we're going back there. In First Corinthians, it's 15. Yeah. It's going there, but it takes a while. So I want to read this. So if we back up, now he's discussing about the resurrection,

the kingdom being handed over back to the Father, that's earlier after the first time he mentions Adam. So if I go back to verse 42, talking about how are the dead raised? So will it be of the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown as perishable, it is raised imperishable. It is sown in dishonor.

It is raised in glory. It is sown a weakness, is raised in power. It is sown a natural body. is raised a spiritual body, which, look, led me to looking up the word spiritual there, but it doesn't mean what you think it means because... It's not spirit body. Yeah.

It's still a body. It's a body, but it's like, I mean, I read a lot of ways to characterize it. Of course, before I tell you what I read, how in the world in the English language are you going to come up with a definition of whatever? Jesus got back after he died. It's a good point. You're never going to be able to pull this off. So all these scholars saying, well, what that means?

No, we don't, do you, how do you describe? You can't describe it because it's a prototype of whatever the new creation is going to be. So it's not something that we're actually, it's not in our realm. So when you use the word physical body, and I do use the word like physical resurrection. I say that kind of language. But when you use the word physical, what you're actually saying is bound to the laws of physics. So if I have a physical body, I have a body bound to the laws of physics. And so technically, Jesus's body wasn't physical because it wasn't bound to the laws of physics.

And I've heard it described as like a, it's tangible, but it is a body, meaning it's tangible, can be touched. So John says to your point later in First John, the only way we're really ever going to know. know what that is is when he comes back. Then we're going to see what that looks like. So some of the words I read, one phrase had, it's too perfect for this world. I thought that was a good, in the Greek definitions, it was like, it's almost like it's too perfect for this world. I thought that's a really good thought because it is a new world that you will be living

in. So that's when you see that, and look, that word spiritual there's not mentioned very many times. It's like 26 times. Right. And you can read them all, which I did. And it has that. It's like just so, nothing carnal. That was another phrase in there.

It's not, it's something you're looking at. You know how most of the time you suspect something dark? Like you're like, oh, you see a situation. Oh, I bet they're up to no good. Something sinister. See a guy, you know. Well, I guess that's more than I was going to say, you see a guy walking, you know, naked to it.

o'clock in the morning. You know something, but that's too obvious. But just if you see him walking down. Have you ever seen that, Jay's like. Oh, I have. Yeah. That's why I brought it up.

Once you see it. I remember that story. You told it on the podcast. Oh, yeah. Once you said, you can't unsee it. But if you just see somebody walking down the road, you know, at two o'clock in the morning and waving their hands in there, you're like, oh, something.

Well, the opposite of that, if it would be you see a situation where you're like, there's just nothing dark. There's nothing carnal. there's nothing wrong. Which, by the way, what you're describing to me is what Pilate kept verbalizing when he kept looking at Jesus and questioning. He kept looking for something. But it did not add up for what they were saying.

I mean, it's exactly what you're describing. So you're thinking, well, what does this have to do with the Jesus wearing the crown? Just give it a minute. Because then he says in verse the last part of 44, if there's a natural, body, there's a spiritual body. Same word there for spiritual. So it is written, the first man, Adam, became a living being. Now, this is such a heavy sentence.

The last Adam, a life-giving spirit. But there's that word again, spirit. But think of the contrast what he's saying there. The first Adam, all you remember when he breathed into Adam, And he became a living being. Look, capable of reproduction. Correct. He then could give life.

And did. Commence a wife to marry him. And you're creating life. Well, that's the contrast here, but the contrast is the resurrected second being. Oh, he's given eternal life because he's given you an eternal dwelling. body, spirit, however you want to describe what we don't know. Which I find that fascinating. And the pro-creative aspect of it is that then that spirit can then dwell multiple people, millions of people, billions of people.

Which is why he describes us as the bride of Christ, because we're reproducing eternal beings who are born again. And every time we see one of those birds, what do we do? Just like when you have a baby, we're clapping. Yeah, this is awesome. We're family. Our family's getting bigger. So, oh, it's fantastic. So this is fascinating where this goes.

So then he says, the spiritual did not come first, but the natural. After that, the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth. The second man is of heaven. Remember Jesus was like, hey, I'm not from here. Remember the conversation he just had? My kingdom's not from this place. It's for it, but it's not from.

He's from heaven. And remember, Jay's, just to throw this in, the conception of Jesus was a woman, Mary. So there were eggs, her egg, or her egg. And then there was the Spirit of God that overshadowed her, I think was the word it used. I don't know what the Greek word is there. But the idea was it wasn't a male and a female. It was the Spirit of God and a female that even created him to become a human being. Exactly.

To your point. So as was the earthly man. so are those who are of the earth, and as in the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. You're like, we're of heaven? Yeah. And just as we have born,

I just absolutely love this, just as we have born or worn, the image of the earthly man. And you're like, what does that mean? I mean, look, I literally woke up about a week ago and my knee hurt. And Missy's like, trace it back, trace it back. There was nothing to trace it back too.

I'm just at an age where you wake up and the knee hurts and nothing happened. It's called burying the image of the earthly man. It's just part of it. It's still saying I felt like the morning after, but nothing happened the night before. So then it should read, in my opinion, based on my research of this Greek. word. It should read, so then shall we wear the image of the heavenly man? Because Jesus said, look at my hands and my feet. That was 2,000 years ago. And he left that way. And he still is that way. Yeah. How can you live 2,000 years with this new body? Well, you can. He is. He's wearing,

and we get to wear that, 1 John 3. And you remember what he said in that moment when that, when he said those words right after that, he looked at him, he said, you're blessed because you get to see this and feel this in the moment. But blessed are those who will believe that didn't see that. I mean, that shows you going forward

this idea of the spiritual mindset. We're believing it because we believe this. Thomas was there in the moment saying, okay, I got it. Yeah. And we're saying the same thing. So let me read this because you said, what does this have to do with Jesus wearing the ground?

We're getting there. So then he says, I declare to you 50. and 1550, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Now, poor Greek translation in the NIV here, it should read, I clarity of brothers and sisters,

flesh and blood, the kingdom of God cannot inherit. Because I went literal translation. Well, that makes more sense you can wrap your head around because all these times it mentions that what are inherent. inheritance as members of the kingdom of God coming.

You can't get it from the earthly man. There's a resurrection that has to happen. You wear this new person, and then you inherit it. Because to your point, that poor translation has led people saying, well, we don't have a body. Exactly. Because it's flesh and blood. And I didn't change it. I just read it exactly.

It says, I declare to you, brothers and sisters, flesh and blood, the kingdom of God, cannot inherit. Because then the second part's right. Nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. If you're just take your chances without God and say, I'm just going, I'm a humanist, and I believe humans are gods. Well, you're going to die, and that's going to be it. Yep.

And you can freeze your head. You're not inheriting anything. You can do all the things that the men have tried to do to extend it. There's nothing imperishable about you. Now, listen, I don't. tell you a mystery because you're like, well, how can this be? So he's like, I'll tell you another mystery. We will not all sleep.

I think that's a reference to when you die. It has to be. But we will all be changed in a flash in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. The trumpet will sound. The dead will be raised imperishable. And we will be changed. For the perishable, now this is why I love this, must close its. itself. That's why we're wearing

Jesus, the one that was from heaven. We're wearing his stuff way better. With the imperishable, he has imperishable qualities now, is my point. He's the first human to embrace an imperishable body. Yeah, there's no date. You know how you get your food and you look on there and you say, oh, the wind's the expiration. There's not one here. And that's you were talking about. And the mortal with them are Just think of that word.

You're going from mortal to immortal, perishable to imperishable. I mean, imperishable is enough for me, but he went in and threw that in there. Not only can nothing destroy you, that basically means, well, you will live forever. That's right. When the perishable has, there's our word again,

has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true. Death has been swallowed up in victory. So he quotes, Josea 13, 14 here, where O death is your victory, where O death is your sting. I went back and read Hosea 13. I would read it, but it's rated R.

But it's almost chuckling. God was so angry at Israel. He was so angry in there that I actually chuckled four or five times. And it made me think when, because it was when Zach brought up idolatry, that's where it starts off. And it's like, you're leaving. is into idols and he's dead because of it I mean that's how the chapter starts and it's just but it has this it's like a script of a lifetime movie but it has this in here about death is your vig I'm giving you death that's what you want you're getting death and look you're getting the sting of death

and that's why this next verse leads us to where we started with crown of thorns because watch what he says the sting of death is sin and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. And the reason I wanted to read all this is because this victory, Jesus' path to victory to establishing the kingdom on earth, to having people that have the spirit where they go from perishable to imperishable, it all started with him being arrested saying,

Okay. And playing the little game there, oh, you think you're in charge. But him not being sarcastic like I'm being right now. Him taking slaps to the face and all. He was dealing with these things that caused all this. Like sin? Look, like the law, because, I mean, there's such an interesting verbiage here. The sting of death is sin. That takes you back to the garden.

That's why I want to go here. He said, don't eat that tree. or you'll die. Well, this is how they're started. Now we've gotten another tree that's getting prepared in the shape of a cross where Jesus is fixed to make these things right and make a new creation. And then he even brings up the law. The power of sin is the law.

So what did the law do? And we could go down a whole rabbit hole into that discussion that it exposed the sin. but actually sin was missing the mark, which is what it means. Right. Which goes back to this image. We're created in the image of God to represent God. When you turn to some other God that's not God, the real God, then you start missing the mark because you're into something else.

So I feel like we just make this all about sin and we lose the idols, how the law participated in. and then here comes Jesus. Yeah, I think a lot of it gets lost in the translation, even because you use that word, miss the mark, and it almost makes it seem like we're throwing darts. Oh, man, I missed.

I didn't hit bullseye perfectly, but that's not what it means. To miss the mark actually is a, it means to be on a different trajectory. It means that you're not operating inside of your design and what God has designed for you. And so you kind of see this going back to what we said earlier and the podcast, we mentioned that Frontline 21 with Covenant Eyes, that like our role as humans,

like the reason why we were created was, well, primarily to worship God. What does that mean to be a worshiper? It means to be a priest. What does it mean to be a priest? It means that we were created to be vice regents and co-creators. We take the things that God made, the garden, and let's take the garden and let's in bliss take that garden and expand it across the entire globe. Jace, you mentioned the procreation earlier to be fruitful multiply to go, go reproduce, go create more. Like, our role is to take this garden of Eden and it is going to cover the entire cosmos. And so what happened in the garden was that they missed the mark, meaning that they got on a

different trajectory. and they said, no, we're actually just going to eat the fruit for the sake of the fruit. And so they misdirected their, they went in a different direction. And as a result, God came in in Genesis chapter 3 and he cursed them. He cursed Adam, he cursed Eve, and he cursed the serpent. And listen to how he curses Adam, because this directly ties to what you were talking about. This is in Genesis 317. And to Adam, the first Adam, which you were just mentioning in 1st, Corinthians 15,

there's a first Adam, which is this guy, and then the second Adam is Jesus, because he did what the first Adam couldn't never do. The first Adam, he said this, because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, you shall not eat of it. Cursed is the ground because of you. In pain, you shall eat of it all the days of your life. And this is the part I want to hone in on thorns. Thorns and thistles, it shall bring forth for you.

So if you think, what was the curse? Well, the curse was you're still going to have your dominion. The problem is now when you try to cultivate the garden and you look down there and what would have been a beautiful expression of the presence of God, now you're going to look down there and there's going to be thorns in its place. They said, well, why did Jesus have to wear a crown of thorns? Well, because he's wearing the curse. He's actually bearing the curse of sinful man.

So it's not an accident that they're placing this crown of thorns on his head. It's not just that they're saying, hey, what can we put on Jesus's head that's so painful and humiliating? They don't know what they're doing. But what they're actually doing is they're actually putting the curse of Adam on Jesus and where Adam caused the curse, now Christ will bear the curse and ultimately will be victorious over the curse. And so what we get in Christ is not simply and only freedom from sin

and from hell. What we actually receive from Christ is victory over the curse that was implemented in Genesis chapter 3, which now means that in Christ, we can actually cultivate the garden and it can spread across the entire globe. So what does that look like? Well, it should look like a whole bunch of fruit.

What kind of fruit? Well, the fruit of the spirit starts. You can start with that in Galatians chapter 5. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, geninous, self-control. So now our garden in Christ is actually, it's a fruitful garden. There's not thorns and thistles. It's a fruitful garden.

It yields fruit in its season. Well, and to your point, They, even though they didn't know what they were doing, I do think there's something in there about causing pain and they can mock him. And thorns were a sign of power because basically when you defend your kingdom from an earthly standpoint, you just get bigger thorns. That's why you see all these states up, you know. So they're sending him a message. we control, we have the power. Yeah.

And if you mess with us, we'll just get bigger thorns. We'll drive it through your heart or decapitate you. But I feel like, based on your analysis, I do want to read the first three or four verses of that Hosea. This is Hosea 13. Now, later on in the chapter, it talks about that, the sting of death. And it's translated plague of death in here,

but I just want to read this because your point about idolatry and about sin missing the mark cannot be true. The problem was they're worshiping other gods, and they were unfaithful to God, and it led to all sorts of sin and justification by the law, however they wanted to do it, but it's just a mess is what it is. Well, it was taking their whole kingdom, the whole country, the whole culture, off the rail, because they began following these false gods. I think that's what people miss is they had a job to do. God creates people with a job, a work to do.

That's why Jesus at the end, when I went on that last rant in the last podcast about Jesus, at this point of the story, he's not giving them theology, and he's had all these arguments, and they listened, and he told the parables, but he went with a meal, he washed their feet, He said a prayer. He's given himself. It's a demonstration of love. And then what does he do?

He gets him a job. Yeah. You're like, I mean, I think half the chosen, 12, it doesn't even say what they did. I mean, I think they were unemployed. But just think of who he had. He had a fisherman, tax collector. Zellate. It's just like, and they've left their jobs.

The other half doesn't mention. Yeah, the zeal. was the equivalent of a terrorist. He's going around. This is your crew. And then he gives him a job as the father sent me. I'm sending you. I mean, it's so basic.

You're like, well, why? And you remember his first accusation? Tell us what you've been doing. And he said, why are you asking me that? I've been talking in public. What I've been doing, I mean, he was like, it's very simple. It's out there. People know.

But to exact point is what I'm trying to say. God, when he created us, when we use that phrase, Well, I'm created in the image of God, but we usually just talk about, oh, I'm valuable. You know, God loves me. No, he's got a job for you. He wants you to reflect his image, and Israel was supposed to reflect their nation as God's chosen nation to other nations. Well, that's not going to happen when you read like the first three verses of Hosea 13. It says when Ephraim spoke, people trembled.

He was exalted in Israel. Everything sounds great. But he became guilty of bail worship. Uh-oh. And so he died. Now they sin more and more. They make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images. See, these are the images they're into.

It's earthly things. That's why I read all that first Christmas in 15. That's why Paul masterfully threw that in there. because this chapter as it goes on, it gets rough to read. I mean, they're sacrificing their children. The next verse says, it is a set of these people, they offer human sacrifices.

They kiss calf idols. I mean, they're doing just stuff that's, you know, we make horror shows and say, oh, that's not real. Nobody would actually do that kind of stuff. These are God's chosen people. They're not representing him. And so God's angry.

But it's a good point because they have to do something. And that's the thing that I think we've been up against in the modern church is that we're so afraid to enter into a legalistic workspace system that we want to separate doing stuff from salvation. But you can't separate the vocation of what you're called to. Oh, Zach, you could not be any more right. Look, half the New Testament is talking about God prepared work in advance for us to do.

And I'll go as far as I say this. It's a false gospel. Anyone that tries to separate, this is James's point. You can't separate works from grace. And so to try to just, like, we're not going to talk about works or what we got to do.

That's not the full gospel. It's not the gospel. I'm just telling you. It's not the gospel. And you say, well, hold on you, I don't have to do anything to be saved. You're missing the point.

It's not that I don't have to do anything to be saved. It's that I have to be saved. so that I can do stuff. You have to flip it. I mean, that's the point. Oh, Zach, I'll drop another bombshell on you because I went down a rabbit hole

just looking up the meaning of the word faith, translated faith. And in every case, it'll say, in your Greek lexicon, faith slash faithful. Yeah. Faith or slash faithfulness. And it hit me, and I just Googled this to AI. I want to see what this is.

And I was like, well, can you have? have faith without being faithful? No. Even A. I agree. Even A. I said, no, that's not possible. But we've treated, we, we have like faith as just some little vehicle that you have to go through to be saved, you know. And when you, it changes, it should change if you, if you just put that in the back of your mind. What I, what I just said, you will never unsee. Because all the, the passages that are in conflict in the denominational world under the umbrella of Christianity, if you would just keep that in mind, faith and faithfulness, it goes hand to hand. There's a lot of these disputable passages that I think you're like, oh, okay, there's sometimes it's talking about

being faithful, because my whole point is, if you read the Old Testament, Israel's unfaithfulness is all over the place. In fact, which is why God divorced them because they were unfaithful. It's like if your wife is unfaithful, guess what? We got problems. And by the way, that's the theme of Jose. I mean, you see it.

You see it with Jose. I mean, it's such a perfect example because you think about like the unfaithfulness of a wife. Well, because what's the point? Like, I was telling Maxis, because we said in the last episode he got engaged.

And I was like, well, people, will say all the time, well, you're too young to get married. I'm like, where did that come from? You can't get married at 20 years old. I mean, George Washington was managing like 16,000 acres or something when he was 16 years old. I mean, like, go trade in your potential. Let's give a fact checked on that.

It may be wrong. I mean, I'm saying he was doing a, he was managing a lot for a 16-year-old. There's a lot of people behind the board right now doing this. They're clicking. They're checking, but go ahead. Josh, yeah. You meant to be like, man, apologize to George Washington. I may have to do that on the next podcast.

I think Pat Benettar was managing 16,000 acres now. But the point is that, like, if you think about what is the vocation, what has God called us to? It really looks a whole lot like a family that is expanding and growing out a homestead. And so when we think about this gospel that tries to divorce it from that, and it's like we're so obsessed. Like, are we saved by works or, I mean, I'm like, guys, like, don't let that dominate your thought because then you start, then it's like you reduce the gospel to this thing that happened one time, a long time ago. But doesn't it, and doesn't where we're at, Zach, in this story of what Jesus is doing, show just what y'all are talking about. In other words, well, that's where I was headed out. The idea about being all in.

This is what faithfulness looks like. Exactly. Look, think about the verse Roman. Before you can live a resurrected life, you have to be put to death. So this is exactly what we're talking about. And he's wearing the thorns. I mean, like, I mean, we can't just overlook this. He's wearing the curse.

And, I mean, he's going to liberate us. That's why the creation itself, Romans 8, the creation itself, the one that's taken over with thorns and thistles, what does Paul say in Romans 8? It groans with eager expectation waiting for the sons of God to be rebuilt. the creation itself is frustrated. It's like we're waiting for this. And Christ is showing he's bearing that right now in this moment. He's bearing the thorns.

He's bearing the thistles. He's bearing the curse. He's bearing the child bearing pains of Eve. He's bearing the cursed ground that was curate. He's bearing all of it. His heel in this moment is being bruised. I don't bring up this point. That's why verse,

that are not read very often in church is 1 Peter 2, when Peter starts talking about submit yourselves to masters if you're a slave or to the authorities. We don't want to talk about these things. Well, the reason that he wrote that is because of John 19. That's what Jesus did to accomplish the salvation of the world. So Peter is saying, look, we get it. You're of the earthly man.

You've got to bear this image of being in Adam. of, and sometimes you're going to be mistreated. And people who think they have power are going to abuse you. And here's what Peter wrote. I went here because I thought the same word when it says, Jesus bore our sins when it gets to that. I thought that was going to be the same as where, but it's different. This one's carry or offered.

He took on himself. He carried them for us. But I want to read this, because I think it, It fits the narrative on why this is in the Bible. Peter said, submit yourselves, 213. For the Lord's sake, to every authority instituted among men, whether kings' supreme authority or to governors who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right,

for it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. Live as free man, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for, evil as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone. Love the brotherhood of believers. Fear God. Then he says, honor the king. Because what's the irony of all this? And people who are against Jesus being the son of God, they bring this up.

They're like, well, didn't God institute the authorities that actually put him to death? You don't see how that doesn't make sense? And I'm like, yeah, but they didn't understand it. This is more about bringing heaven and earth back together again, and this is the way he did it in love. And he did. He took the slaps in the face. He took the moks and the spit in the face and all this.

So then it goes on to say, Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and etc., but also to those who are harsh. This is just the life we're in. Right. to what Jesus did. For it is commendable if a man bears up

under the pain of unjust suffering because he's conscious of God. That is a definition of what Jesus is displaying. He's giving you a demonstration. He's not giving you theology. He's just saying, watch this. But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it?

But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. Well, Jesus has given you the proof of that. Right. To this you were called because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps. Well, this is why people don't come to Christ. Well, I don't want anything to do with this. I mean, can you believe what they did to me?

You know, that's kind of our mantra. But then he quotes Isaiah, first, yeah, Isaiah 53, he committed no sin, not just in the moment. He committed no sin. Ever. And no deceit was found in his mouth when they hurled their insults at him. That's what we're reading right now. Look, he didn't retaliate. When he suffered, he didn't make any threats.

And here's the key. Talk about faith. He entrusted himself to him who judges justly. Not only did he believe in things that he wasn't physically seeing as, the bigger plan. He was faithful to that process. Then it says he himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, and this is a kicker, so that we might die two sins. We get rid of them. We're separated from the sins because of the blood on the cross so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness. And by the way, whenever you see the Bible talking about faith and faithfulness,

righteousness is right in there with it. Always right there. Once you see it, you'll never unsee it. By his wounds, you have been healed. I mean, there is a healing that took place 2,000 years ago to humanity. And just think about any kind of pain that you experience. There's pain because that should get your attention. We have a problem, which our problem was not just.

sin, but we went through that idolatry. We're worshiping the wrong things. We're not imaging God. We're not doing our vocation before God. But a healing took place on that cross. For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the shepherd and overseer of your souls. And I look that word up, soul.

It's not some out-of-body experience. It's used more times as translated life. Yeah. It's just your life. It's your heart. And that's what he accomplished. And that's why he wrote that and people read that. And they're like, oh, no, I'm not going to submit to anybody.

Well, what are you talking about? They're evil. That's how God pulled off the greatest thing that's ever happened on the planet. Yeah. No, that's exactly true. And I love it because we hadn't even gotten there yet. We're going to on future podcasts. When we get to the actual crucifixion part, it's where was it on a tree?

and then we know from DeRoman, he cursed as he was killed on a tree. And so that same garden narrative again, remember you had the tree of knowledge of good and evil. You see a new tree now bearing the sin for all of us. So there's just so many connections. Well, what I'd like to do for the next podcast is because I know we're out of time, but I'd like to read this Romans 4th, 17, so if you want to get ahead,

because there's a phrase in there that is so shocking. that you're like, what does this mean? And so... Yeah, I got one thing, too. I want to hit on the next one. I'm going to claim it. Well, I introduced mine. So you introduce your...

I'm going to read Romans 417, so there's some homework, and how faith is defined with keeping faithfulness in mind. Well, I think we today talked a lot about one side of what was accomplished on the cross. But there's another part, too, that I want to hone in on even on the next episode. And I think about John Newton who wrote probably one of the most famous hymns, Amazing Grace, who was a slave traitor. And you think about, there's another aspect here that one is dealing with our propensity to go in a different direction. But one of it is we do have a true and substantial moral guilt before a holy God.

That is also being taken on by Christ in this moment, that it allows us. Not just in our, we are enemies in our mind, but we're also enemies of God. And I do think that that is also a part of this that needs to be talked about in the next podcast that Christ's sacrifice pays for. I love it. I love it. And I've got one as well, Second Corinthians 5. Oh, we're going to read. Because that's an expansion of what Jay's talked about in First Corinthians 15.

We're reading Second Corinthians 5. I had already read it down, Judge. There's a smoking gun in there that says, but when Christ died, therefore all died. Yeah, we're going to talk about that. What does that mean? So, all right, we'll pick all these themes. There's a few little assignments before our next time together on Unashame. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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