Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 121 | Phil Proves Self-Defense Is Biblical, Jase's Scary Supper, and Animal Control Visits Willie

Episode Date: July 29, 2020

Phil, Jase, and Al explain why Jesus wasn't a pacifist and lay down biblical defenses of the right to protect yourself and others. But first, it might be time for Phil to patent his tried-and-true technique for amplifying his hearing. Jase strikes fear in his teenage houseguests with his "terrifying" supper and gives Missy a scare when he discovers a critter on his property. And animal control pays a visit to Willie's place after an unusual deer incident. Pre-order Jesus Politics by Phil Robertson from Christianbook before 8/3 and get Phil's exclusive video sermon FREE: https://www.christianbook.com/jesus-politics-back-the-soul-america/phil-robertson/9781400210060/pd/21006X?event=ESRCG Pre-order Jesus Politics by Phil Robertson: http://jesuspoliticsbook.com See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1 To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I just sent some, a couple of books to one of our listeners that lives in New York City in an apartment in Manhattan. And I was like, man, I feel like when I'm talking to somebody in a place like that, it's like you're behind enemy lines. That's what I feel like. You're just one of our guys, you know. A lot of good people. Oh, they are.

There are. I know it just, I think of it that way because. You know, you see so much bad on the news and stuff. But remember when we took those guys duck hunting, those firemen from New York? Yeah. New Jersey. No, they were. They were.

They were in. They were in. They were in New York. I know, but they lived in New Jersey. Yeah. But I mean, those, I mean, those were some great guys. Oh, there's a lot of great people there, you know, just like anything else. I mean, but you just, you kind of don't ever unfortunately see, uh, them.

They've made a mess of it. Yeah. You know, because, and look, I, I, I feel like every time I talk to somebody from California, New York City, I'm just like, oh, because we see the sort of the politics of it, and you feel like you're there, but they love it. You know, they grew up there. But you all watch the news, so y'all are more led, you know.

You're just subliminally, you're putting that stuff. Y'all need to just listen to worship music all day. Don't watch the news. Chase just lives in this little bubble of the... I always feel I'd walk in any of other, there's little earpods on that. You know, now it's... You see people walking down the street, you can go wireless. It's amazing technology.

What's happened? Oh, it really is. I wonder, though. That's another road I haven't been down. Maybe we can add that to it. No protest and no golf list. He said that one day. Somebody was in the duck fly, they had those ear, you know, wireless.

He's like, what kind of herineate is that? I didn't even respond. Actually, you're about to start. You'll be using them the next two weeks because when we start promoting your book, look, they're the best way to hear these people that you're talking to through the computer, you know, because I've been doing a lot of Skype stuff, and so mine have been fantastic because you can hear. Lisa and I do them together. I put one in one ear, and she puts the other one in her ear, and we do these, you know, deals together.

Yeah, and it's kind of romantic. So you got a couple extra of them on it? Oh, yeah. I'm going to have you taken care of. We'll get some for Christmas. I would just want to see you wear him. That's awesome. He will, because they're the easiest way.

I mean, now they don't have the cords, which is so much better because, you know, you could just. Will the things stay in your ear? Well, people's ears are different. They stay in mine. I don't have a problem. But sometimes people, mom says she found out she had, she never knew she had tiny ears until the pandemic. Well, you're having to wear a mask where her ears are tiny. She asked me if I knew, I said, Mom, you have hair.

I know. I never knew you had tiny. But her ears won't hardly hold a mask on her face because her ears are so small. Did you know that? I've never checked out her ears that close. I hadn't either. I had no idea. I usually don't inspect ears, not from my own one.

I don't always thought about ears is weird. The older you get, your ears get bigger, but you can hear less. Really? Yeah, I know that you can take your hands and put them behind your ears and fold your ears a 16th of an inch, just on both sides. and you can hear way better than you could with them where they are. Just fold them out just to look, just put your hand behind them. Watch. You take your hands and look, you take your ears and move it just a little bit.

So you would just have to walk around like this. We need a device. Hey, he does it. I laugh every time he does it. No, we'll go out because Phil can't hear like you used to. Right. Of course, I can hear, I was like, you hear those ducks. And look, Phil, he assumes the position.

You fold those ears a little bit and you can hear. hear just like turn on a switch. So your canals or whatever have something's, it's something's happened because they used to not, it wasn't like that before. You notice a dog or a deer, their ears when they're like this, but they've got the ability to go, they move their ears like this. Even a dog, he'll take his ear and he'll go, he'll hear a sound and he'll fold them a little bit.

Well, humans don't have that, but we need to have that. So come up with the device. Who do we talk to it? Make your ears a device that folds them out a little bit and give you a little more on top. And you say your hearing will be remarkably better. Maybe you could have with the new, what do they call that? Somebody will make this, by the way I should have told them. I know.

I've got an idea. What are the wireless ear things called? Earbuds. Go for it and make you a million dollars. And send one to us. But are they called earbuds that you put the wireless? What are those things called? Airbuds.

Airborne. Or is what mine are called. So what you need is if you just had a little, you know, something that attached to the back of your ear. That is correct. Look, and then maybe a watch, I have it hooked up to your watch and you can move it. That way you wouldn't have to stand there.

Because it's always funny every time you do that when we're out. I see him doing it over. They say, what's he doing? I was like he's trying to hear about it. You hear way better. I always thought you were just like catching trying to catch the sound. I mean, I've done it. Hold your ears.

Your ears are fairly large. You fold them at a little different angle. Just bring them forth a little bit. And look, I've checked them on the television. I can turn it down real low. I fold those ears. Doesn't hear it perfect. I said, my ears are not, I need to be able to move them.

Animals can do it, but humans not so much. So some department in Saltwater decided that animals needed it and we didn't. Well, that's why I brought up the size. What department gave animals the ears? have. But why would the evolution process make your ears bigger if you hear less? Why would if we evolved, and we're the top of the line in the animal world, why is it all the animals below us, can hear better, see better, jump higher, or what's stronger? Run faster. Yeah, run faster. What happened? I mean, we're going downhill. Their ears and eyes are way, the animal world, way better than ours. Why did we go down? And

theirs went up. If we evolve from them, we ought to be able to see better, hear better, jump higher, run faster. The animal's got us. Dependent on which animals. Yeah. I mean, I'm faster than a turtle can hear better. Yeah. But slower than a cheetah or a line. That's what I mean. Bones are scattered all over Africa because of that. That's right. And none of them, they don't have that soul feature or. the season, what I call the season.

They don't season their food. They don't appreciate a good sunset. You know? They don't pay attention to it. It's like the other day when I caught the frogs I talked about the last podcast. And you had given me that corn from the farmer, the sweet corn. And so when I can't. Hey, it was good corn, but.

Oh, so that's what I ate. I had five frogs and I'd cut them up like a chicken because they were so big. If you cut, here's the way to eat a big frog. You got to cut him into four pieces, which sounds barbaric, but, I mean, it's just what you do. So I have two legs, the back, and then the front arm. That's the part. You did save the backbone, because it's good gnawing. Oh, the backbone.

Nog material. But that big. Not a lot of meat, but there is enough air to where you can enjoy the gnawing. I like the backbone of catfish, too. Wait a minute. A frog backstrap, even though it's just a little, these were huge frog. If you take off the top sheen, because you need to take that off, it's a hard day with a pair of catfish scanners when they're big.

It's just like, it is like the crab meat of, that reminds me of crab meat. That's right. Sweet meat. Yeah, the legs are more like a, it'd be like a chicken leg that was white meat, but was moist. I mean, these were a little chewy because they were huge. But here's what's funny. Well, I had all these young girls for camp that were staying with us because the coronavirus, they said, we're going to have camp for high school. But you can't stay overnight.

I don't know why, I guess. It didn't make sense to me. Yeah. So we had to split up. It's the rules. So let's put 10 of them in my house. Well, how's that? You know what I'm thinking?

Well, that's going to make it worse. Now I'm living with 10 other people that I don't know. Sounds nightmarish to me. I was good. I mean, we looked at an opportunity to share Jesus. It's different when you have a teenage girl, Dad. It's not sad. Yeah, I talked about it.

I mean, we, we, we, I'm trying to bring these people to Jesus. And Missy and I led the worship for camp that week. So we both came out and gave her presentation the first night. She taught them a song. And, well, she's getting more and more courageous. Because what we did was, we did this thing about introducing Jesus. You know, I had them close. eyes, picture Jesus, or picture God. And I told you all the number one answer,

nothing. Mine goes blank. They're all like embarrassed. I'm like, don't be embarrassed. That's why we're here. We're out in the woods. You've come to the camp. You want to get to know Christ. We need a visual image. And so what we do is then Missy teaches them the songs, you know, all encapuella. Then the last night, which was last night, Missy kind of gave the, She went back to what we talked about, about picturing Jesus, and she did something really cool. She's like, how many of y'all know this song? And she sang that song, I stand amazed in the presence, you know.

But she did it like most churches do it. She's like, y'all sing with me. I stand amazed in the present of Jesus. And everybody jumped in. Oh, yeah, okay, it's pretty good. And she said, well, what were you thinking about during that? Well, nobody's thinking anything. You know what I mean?

Because that song's like 200 years old. Probably not that long, but it's all. It was pretty old. And she said, then she read this thing about Jesus was not somebody to look at who was, you know, necessarily good looking or stood out. She was middle eastern carpenter. She kind of gave this visual image. You know, if he came, what happened if he showed up right now?

Probably in sandals, you know, normal looking guy. but by his actions. Yeah. He's not white. He's not white. That's why I said middle east. Yeah. But look, she said, and what would he say?

Based on what we've read in a book of John and all that, and she went through it, you know, I love you, I'm here for you, I forgive you. All the good stuff about Jesus. And she, and, you know, I'm life, I'm indestructible. She goes through this long list. I was really impressed with her. And then she said, so now I want you to close your eyes and picture that. And she just sang by herself. like real slow.

I stand amazed in the presence, you know, of Jesus. Then they started singing in. It was a totally different dynamic because now you're actually thinking about the object of your faith in a personal way. And so it's funny. I was getting chills just hearing her give that. But that was awesome. I started telling that story, because what was funny is I knew they were in there.

Well, I had these five frogs. and one of them was the biggest one I'd ever called. And so when I walked in, of course, it was like, I don't know, 12, 30. Well, they're all up. They're in there eating chips and dip. I said, you want to see what I called? They were like, they had no idea what I was talking about. They didn't know I was wrong.

They were like, sure, yeah. It was a girl from Indiana, a couple from Texas, a couple from Washington. Which, by the way, the kids told me they loved the way it went this year of camp by not being out there because they got to go sleep somewhere air conditioning. Well, that's true. I mean, in some way, because camp is pretty rough on them. They're sleeping with no air conditions. And they meet up with frog hunter.

And they, and I went and got the two biggest frogs and I held them behind my back, you know. Because all I said was, y'all want to see what I caught. What kind of, before you finish, what kind of sound came forth from a little bunch of teenage high school girls when the frogs came forth? You were taking away my punchline here. Because I didn't think about that. I guess I thought they would be. like, oh, cool. Yeah.

When I took those two frogs and showed them, my head, I'm talking about your ears. My ears started ringing, and it's like everything slowed down, and I was like, what is that sound? They went from joy to sheer terror. Screaming at the top of their lungs, look. And half of them took off running. And so, look, Missy come out, we woke her up.

She's just looking bewildered like, what the heck's going on here? She was basically to choose somebody out. I'm like, I caught the biggest frog I've ever caught in my life. And I could just see the fire ready to come out. And I thought, oh, well. So look, I told that story to say this. So the next night when I cooked frogs, I'm like, they wouldn't eat them because they had seen them before. Karina, you know, my Nicaraguan daughter, she was like, no.

I said, I got corn. I'm cooking corn and frogs. tonight. She said, I will have the corn. I will pass on the frog. And I said, no, this frog is good. You want to eat this? And she was like, I cannot eat that frog. I'm out. I'm out on the frog. And I said, you know what? Best news I've heard. More for me. I don't mind. If you only have five, I don't mind. I'm not going to talk you into eating the greatest thing that I can provide for you. Okay. I'll eat it. I see what you didn't try it. No, she wouldn't try it. So, but it was a really great experience for the week.

I think we, you know, we introduced Jesus in a real way. You enjoyed striking fear at a bunch of little girl. They are not lying. I did not know they were going to

I, oh, good night, James. What are you? So you brought up an interesting point. And all of these kids' education up through, these are what, 10th graders, 11th graders? You know, I don't know.

Seniors. They're high schoolers. Hang on, Dan. Let's take a little. break. I mean, they were adults. So in the education system, are these people even remotely aware of a common green frog? None of them knew a frog got that big, which I did have the biggest one I'd ever

called. Well, yeah, you've already. So. So they were thinking a little bitty frog jumping around on the guard. They weren't thinking anything. They didn't. I said, y'all want to see what I caught. I love it, though, the Jay's just act like it was a total surprise.

as he's hiding them behind his back. I mean, they were... I'm trying to get in my mind. What a bunch of teenage girls. Oh, I know exactly what it was. When two bullfrogs just are in their face. It's the funniest thing ever. Carina just like took all running.

I never saw her again. She went to the room, closed the door, and locked it. She probably didn't sleep a wink all night, looking about it. But I will say, though... They will never forget that as long as they live. You know these people, what are wrong with the, what is wrong with these people? I told Missy last night, same response. I walked out to let my dog out.

Well, I saw something running from under my truck. I mean, you know, I'm living in town here. It was one of the girls. He's in the seven. No, no, I knew it was some kind of, I know it was a four-footed critter. They were still hiding out where the frog was going to get. Well, the first, my first impression, but look, he's in, he's in my layer here. He's in the, under the garage, under my truck.

And I saw it take off running, and my mom was trying to process, that's the biggest rat I ever seen in my life. That's what I thought. I thought I got a rat problem. Because I'd seen some droppings a day before. I told me, I said, I think we got a rat. And she's like, what? I said, well, I saw some droppings out in the yard.

I think it's about the size of a rat. And she's like, I'll get the extermination. I was like, no, I can kill a rat. That's my department. But anyway, since the thing running. Yeah, you're so good about stuff around the house. We've already established that fact on the pocket. Get it on.

Mr. Handyman. So I take off running after the rat. And, well, the closer I got, because it's running wide open. And I'm running wide open. I'm crossed into the neighbors. I'm more wanting to just see what it is. Somebody of security cameras, these jays in our neighborhood.

They're going to think he's some kind of crazy man running around. Look, I get to my neighbor's yard. and that thing's running wide open and it looked like it just went into the side of their house and I thought that looked like, I mean the brick. I said, that was weird.

Well, now I need a light because it's, you know, I'd gotten out of the lights. I went back, got a light. I looked, there was a little bitty hole in the ground

right where they're under their bricks. So I got to look in there and can't see anything. But the more I processed it, I realized it's a possum. But it was a small possum. Yeah. And he went in that hole. He went in a hole going wide open, which was pretty impressive.

If you've ever seen a wood duck fly into a hole, it's amazing. So I told me, I walked in, I said, there was a possum in the garage. She went, ah! I said, it's gone. There's nothing to scream about it. It's a possum. But it just, the announcement of that caused a verbal scream. I thought, what's wrong these people?

Jace, you need to get out of a subdivision. all the women and the subdivision combined jason that's bad bad for a man's character well the thing about our place uh jays our subdivision is a little different because we have big our lots are all big acreage but you have deer walking we yeah right what's i'm saying we got we got lake where there's deer all over my property you know that we're in town but you know there's a bottleneck i looked at the GPS and i can see that right along the interstate there's woods and it goes all the way. There's a certain little section that stays connected all the way to our yard.

And I'm like, that's where those deer, even though it's in town, they're smart enough to figure out. It's an animal corridor. That's exactly what it is. And that's why we see a lot of stuff there, you know. Plus, you know, Willie's just built him up. He's just basically built us a little sanctuary there. You know, a deer, dad, a deer, there was a small deer that was stuck in Willie's, gate that opens up his house. So I saw a picture of, but I couldn't figure it out. The deer got

stuck in it. Like it tried it because it's like these iron bars. He got it, he got through there, but then the hams wouldn't go through. So it was a little small deer just hung up in the gate. Well, that's fortunate. Yeah, someone showed my picture there. That was so weird. And so, so somebody saw it, you know how the idea is, Willie didn't see it initially. And then somebody called Animal Control. So two guys show up with this deer, because, you know, the deer can't get, you know, he's... Well, that's embarrassing. Now you got somebody, animal control.

Animal control. I'm going to get a deer out of your fans. Down in this neck of the woods, I am animal control. I thought that was our God-given responsibility. Yeah. So then, so what they did was these two people got on, each on one ham and pushed that deer through. And the deer took off.

You know, across Willis Yard. How much did it weigh? Ah, it's under 100 pounds. It looked like a, like a, like a, Half-grown dough. Yeah, it wasn't big. Half-grown dough. I just don't think I could have done it, boys.

If it's in my fence and my yard. Jimmy Red Gibson would have been had fried deer steak. That's where I'm going. That's why I was saying. I mean, I'm like, you know, the Lord will provide. Here we go. With they're getting hung up in your fencing. So, wow, what about this self-defense thing?

Self-defense thing. I didn't know we were talking about self-defense. Someone contacted us in. Oh, he's talking about this is a question. question from Stephen that had asked us about, he said, I hear you talk about murder, and he said, I agree that I was in murder is bad, but basically how do you defend yourself from an idea from the Bible? In other words, where does the line cross? He knows the laws of the United States, which, you know, someone's coming in your house. Well, to me, this is a common sense question.

Yeah. I mean, if you... But he's saying, is there a biblical answer? First of all, remember this was... We love our neighbor. We offer forgiveness. That's always going to be what you go. You know, if someone is firing upon you, which we recently had happened to us,

okay, defend yourself. I mean... We all bought some more guns. Well, yeah. Which, by the way, that's why, Jay, we talked about the last podcast. You're talking about why Jacob emptying clips and everything because that's a new gun. He just wants to just keep shooting. Yeah, I know.

Got to remember, this was written pre-firearm. For instance, if a thief, this is Exodus 22, because someone asks, you know, if I have the right to protect myself, biblically speaking, what am I to do? So first, I'll just give you about the only thing I could come up with. Other than Jesus said, how many swords do you have? I sent you out when I sent you without money bag,

knapsack, Luke 22, did you lack anything? This is verse 35. So they said nothing. 36, then he said to him, but now he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack,

and he who has no sword let him sell his garment and buy one. So he did say, you know, care, a couple of swords. Which is interesting because most people have characterized Jesus because of passages like turn the other cheek and other things as being strictly a pacifist, but that's not really true.

And I've always thought it was kind of unfair to, we say Jesus, we're supposed to be like him, but he came here to die. Yeah. Like, in other words, that was his purpose to give his life. So physically to give his life. And so, you know, for him, of course, he's, I came here today, you know. But the Old Testament is filled with, I mean, it's a rated R. It's a bloodbath.

Well, and God was endorsing the movement into territory and, you know, over and over. Conquest. Yeah. So somewhere in there, it's like when I look at that, I realize this. It's not pleasant. Nobody likes war. Right. It's bad.

but there are some things that happen in life, you know, when the terrorists... 9-11. Yeah, started flying planes into the Empire State. You know, I'm standing up saying, no, wait a minute here. You know, here we are as a country. We're not going to... We're not going to... Not react.

We're going to defend ourselves. So, and the best offense in that case is to go find those people who are doing that and say, we're going to stop this. Yeah. Well, I believe there's something like... that is similar to why I brought up the Old Testament history, where in a world where we're living like this, their law and order must be kept. That's right.

Hang on that. Before you read that, let's take another break. Under the law of Moses, if a thief, this is Exodus 22, verse 3, if a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies. He's halfway through the window, and you put a baseball bat to him. wouldn't be baseball back then. It's just been a club. Well, they might have played baseball.

Yeah. And so he dies. The defender is not guilty. So he defended his home and the guy's it. He's not guilty of bloodshed. But if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed. So you can kill him if it comes in at night. That's a weird.

That's a weird. That's why I gave it because I'm thinking that's a weird one. But I looked at the whole thing. What was your point on it? My point is there was a time to defend your property. He's saying that, you know. Somebody's breaking in your house at night, a thief. You can kill him on the Old Testament, clubbing to death.

But if it's daylight, you can see who he is, whatever. What he was saying was is you have to look. Some of these laws back there, I'm saying as a general, that's why I said it's a common sense thing. Throughout the Bible, God said, work it out. as a last resort. As it depends on you. Far as it depends on you. Live at peace.

Yeah, Roma's 12. And there he said, as far as it depends on you, try to, if it's possible, try to live at peace with all men. Well, so here's what I got. But then Romans 13 says he set up

the government's authorities and all that. To punish the Ronder. I got you. But here's what I ended up with and it makes more sense to me than just to remember this. And that comes over, Jays. from one of your favorite text in the Bible.

And I know it sounds like a strange way to look at things, but this would work on the topic of love. Love is patient, love is kind. Just think about when somebody's life is on the line. Love is patient. Love is kind. love does not envy it does not boast

it's not proud you got to remember when Jesus talked about when he talked about murder he said hatred you get the same penalty just to hate your brother

you've heard it said from long ago don't murder but I tell you that anyone who hates his brother is a murderer that's where he put it you say so hatred is on line with murder so what I'm getting there.

Do we have the right self-defense? Love is not rude. It's not self-seeking. It's not easily angered. If a person has these qualities, there would be no murders. It keeps no record of wrong. Love does not delight in evil. Rejoices with the truth.

Here's the key. Love always protects. Someone says, do I have the right to defend myself? Have these kind of qualities as you go forth. I looked up the definition of protect. You say love always protects. How? Protect to shield from injury. You love someone. You'll say, whoa, whoa, whoa, that old tree. It's rotten. We need to get back. Don't get back behind the car. Be careful when you park. Whether you're driving a vehicle, walking across your yard, you say love.

If you see someone fixing to be hurt, love means to shield to protect, to shield from injury, to shield from danger or loss. To guard and look. Protects means to defend. You say, so your family is in jeopardy, danger is out there and it's coming your way. You would love your family enough to say, I must protect you. If it happens to your neighbor, you would have every right to go over there and say, I love y'all. And I see this gang coming. I see the mob coming after you.

I'm going to stand my ground with you. I'm going to help you. I'm going to protect you. whatever means possible. That's my view of self-defense. I think it's a good point. Yeah, because if it's possible, you'd like rather have a Bible study

with these five thieves that are going to take over your house and rape your wife and children. You'd rather sit down with a Bible study. You'd love them enough to say, look, I'm going to spare you. I'm not holding, so far, I'm not holding against you. But you keep pressing forward

and you have weapons of war in your hands and you're coming toward me or my family. but it also I love my family enough to shield them and protect them I think that's the biblical view it also goes in with that love does not delight in evil

that's right I've had a lot of people who try that I've been in it I'm sharing Jesus with or we have a situation where let's just you know say I guess the most prevalent one is like where there's an affair going on

and the person involved in the fair, they're justifying it. They're saying, well, this is, this is love. And so now we've gathered at my house for some reason to try to work this out. And so I'm like, wait a minute, you're trying to defend, you know, the betrayal of, you know, you're betraying your wife, your kids. I mean, it's one thing to say, okay, I messed up. That's a different conversation.

We have grace, we have forgiveness. But when you say I'm having the affair and it's love, I would always go here and say, well, that's not right. That's sinful. That's evil. Because of that one phrase, which is, it has a problem because they're like,

well, yeah, love is patient, is kind, we're protecting and we're trying. And then they're not acknowledging that what they're doing is wrong. And so that's why when you're saying that, that love protects, it's because we have some kind of evil behavior. And that was just an illustration to share that. But if someone is trying to murder or, you know, steal or even if you don't know, to me down in Louisiana, if they break in your house, they're asking, you know, they're asking for protection right there.

You rise up down here. Everybody has a gun and they start shooting. Someone says, what about, though, if it's just you, no family members being attacked, just you. This is pretty interesting. Husbands ought to love their wives. Check this out carefully. Because I never really understood this until I started looking at what this guy asked about self-defense. Do I have a right to defend my person?

Husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. You said, well, you can't love yourself. Yeah, you can. Sure. He who loves his wife loves himself. Right. So you say, hmm, after all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it. Well, we're back on the love always protects, even your own person, if it gets down to it.

I think as long as someone's coming at you to do away with your body, to do away with your body by killing it. And you're sitting there saying, dude, I'd rather study the Bible with you. But you know what? I have a right to protect myself. On one condition, if you're viewing it as made by the image of God. I mean, because selfishness usually love of self is usually a negative thing. But when you're in this context, that's included.

When you're acknowledging, I'm made by God, well, you do love yourself in that light because you love God because he made you like this. And you're going to, you have a right to exist. He gave you that right. Yep. And so. And let's take another break. And what happens is that there's a case recently.

You saw it this last year. I think it's a good illustration of people that go too far with this concept. You remember there was a guy in, I think it was in Georgia. And somebody saw him on a, it was an African-American guy. Somebody saw him on a camera walking by somebody's house. So these bunch of people, they're all jumping their v. vehicles and they got their guns and they're driving up and then they're setting up these little self-checkpoints.

Well, this guy comes up. They assume it's the guy or whatever. They're going to, one of them was a former police officer, but they were going to just make them a little citizen's arrest there, where then they're arresting over the gun, and then they shoot and kill the guy. Well, that's, we went beyond self-defense to then, see what I'm saying? There's a, everything's about context. Well, people may say that about, you know, people bombing the plane.

But, but still, that's why. brought up the government setting, you know, they're making decisions that we're going along with when it's a personal setting. It's like the night you were, you described the situation where, you know, they had fired in our neighborhood, then you get a call or you see somebody, yeah, somebody shot your gate, but then you drove to the gate and then you thought you knew where they were. But at that moment, you stopped and said, well, wait a minute here, which I think you did right for me.

Because once you leave the gate now based on third party information. They were on the outside of the gate and shot the gate, and I was on the inside of the gate. You said, well, but if I had been there, stepped out behind a tree and started whacking them. So you go over there and look at the carnage on what's left of them, and there's four teenagers who are drunk up and on crystal meth. And they were shooting your gate, and you kill them. all of them. I thought about that. I said, you know what? I heard the gunfire. I said, I'm not going up there because they're probably on the other side of the gate shooting or they've torn the gate down. Right. I said, but either way, if I go up there, there'll be some interaction here and it won't

be good. So I said, I'll just wait till in the morning. I waited till the morning came. I went up there and looked, then I saw the bullet holes in the gate. And I looked at from the bullet holes. I looked up there I looked for halls. I looked up the road for halls, didn't find any. They might have shot further on up the road, but I didn't see any halls. So I just got back from the truck and drove down here. I thought that was fudging a little bit. Even though they were shooting toward my property, I said, it's not ironclad enough.

They weren't shooting at me. And the audience just so, you know, so Dad, the gate is like a half a mile from the house. That's correct. It wasn't like it was, you know, a straight- Well, I heard the gunfire. I could have run in there quickly and made a scene, but if it had been three teenagers drunked up, everybody would have said,

what are you doing, shoot those three teenagers? So the text is, you're not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. Just think about living in a world where you have to be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. You're like, man, what an exemplary life that would be.

Watch, if it's possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. If it's possible, he said, some people make it very hard. Do not take revenge. Well, that's out. Leave room for God's wrath. It is written its mind to avenge. I'll repay, says the Lord, on the contrary. If your enemy is hungry, feed him.

If he's thirsty, give him something to drink and doing this, you'll heat burning colds on his head. And then this, do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. I'll just simply say, when they were stealing my fish and I would run out there with a weapon, and I would confront them and take the fish back that they were stealing, but they kept stealing from me, and I kept having to throw down on them, or why are you stealing a fish? I was making a living by selling fish. But one day I read this text, I was younger in the faith,

and I said, be good to them. I said, that doesn't make any sense. Well, you have the gun and the Bible. That was the good transition. Yeah, I said, how would I know whether it would work or not if I never tried it? So I go out there with the next group I caught. I had my gun with me, but not in my hands.

I just had it there in case they won't. to try to kill me. Right. Well, I run over to where they're trying to get my fish, and I said, Boris, what are you doing? They said, well, we just wanted to know what was on the end of this rope. And I'd float on it out there in the river going down to my net. I said, just curious.

I said, you knew. I said, look, evidently we want a fish fry, and y'all didn't catch any. So you're going to steal my fish. I said, well, here's the good news of the day, boys. I'll give you the fish. And when I told them that, they looked at each. other like he's nuts. That's the look they got.

And he's armed. Watch this one. He's got a weapon with him. He doesn't have in his hand, but he's saying he's going to give us what we were trying to steal. So look, I give them the fish. And they said, man, I think that'll do it. I said, you never know.

I said, some others may show up. Let me give you plenty of them. I said, now the fish they were trying to steal are in their boat, and I gave him to them. I said, now, I said, next time you need any fish. I said, you don't have to steal them. I said, I'll give them to you. Why steal when you can get them for nothing?

I said, have a nice day. Well, they cranked up their motor, and they kept looking back at me thinking, that dude has gone off the rails. Which is actually a good thing. Guess what happened? The people up and down the river, they quit stealing from me.

So I learned a valuable lesson there. The lesson I learned was, be good to your interviews, I'm like, that doesn't make a lot of sense. I tried it in the case of the fish, and it worked. But they actually quit stealing from you because they thought you were crazy. They thought you would kill it. I don't know whether they thought I was nuts. Because only an idiot would give us.

You are an imposing figure. Now, some people might not have been like them, and they might have said, well, if he's that dumb, we'll steal everything he has. But in this case, they quit stealing my fish from him. That's why every Hollywood movie, when they have the crazy guy, he's always quoting scripture-wise. You know what I mean? And so they're looking at you like, that dude, Derek Keith. Here's the lesson.

You know why they quit stealing? I've thought about it for years. I said, man, why did they do that? Because God had said it through the Apostle Paul in Romans 12. I tried it. It worked. And I thought, what was the, what was the clincher there? What it was, I appealed out to their conscience.

if they had one. I appealed to their conscience. I wanted them to say, look, the old dude said he'd give us some fish if we ever needed any. We don't have to steal from him. He'll give them to us. So why would we steal?

I appeal to their conscience, and it worked. And the short end of the story, ladies and gentlemen, you say, God was right all along. So I learned a valuable lesson there. I think that's what it means. You say,

life's in danger, they're trying to kill you. You have the right to protect yourself. Well, because it's evil. Because what they're trying to do is evil. That's right. Which is my point. You're protecting from, there is a, this, this overall battle of good and evil. And we would much rather. It's been here since they created us. We would much rather do spiritual warfare. That's why you have verses that say, because people are going to hear this. They're So what about the verse that says, we did not fight with the weapons at the world? You know, ours demolishes strongholds. And Jesus, every time they tried to say, oh, we're going to take them by force.

Nope. We're not going to take over the world in a military fashion. Remember, Peter cut the guy's ear off. He said, no, we're not doing it. He said, no. Good point. And what we do through the introduction of Jesus to people is, we demolish strongholds because it says we take captive or have the ability

through the spiritual forces of good to take every thought and make it captive to Christ because that's the real problem. It's not really, once you get to the war scene here, we're having to defend ourselves with a gun, the mind of people that are trying to inflict these kind of heinous crimes on you, well, that's what we need to change. And we change that through this. Well, right. And so that's our, that's what we want to do.

But there, you know, if we have to go down this road, you know, and we do, because there are instances where you have to defend yourself. That's why I said it's more common sense. We had bullets going through the Robertson's houses around here. I mean, some guys just shooting bullets. I mean, it could have killed any of us. Well, right. And so, but people, this is a good point, Jay, is because people, here's what they miss about

the Bible itself, which by the way is a weapon. It describes itself as a sword that cuts. I believe it's more powerful than any gun. So people assume they say, well, you had all this Old Testament, you know, this warfare and things happening, God sanctioned this. And he's talking about Yahweh. And then Jesus comes along and he offers this peaceful solution. It's the way a lot of people look at it.

They don't understand it. What they miss, and this was a question from last time, is that Jesus was there. He was God all the way back. Yes, he was. He was the sanctioner of that. So when he came to Earth, that's why you have to look at his context, he came here to die.

What he told Peter was is, you're not, I'm not defenseless. You're acting like I'm defenseless. Like, I'm going to cut this guy's ear off. He said, look, I can call. Trust me in what I'd tell you, if I had been there running with Jesus personally,

I'm still doing it there, spiritually speaking, but you say after watching some of the things he had done, the last thing I would be thinking I needed was a sword. So what the Bible tells us is that you didn't, the reason why the sword was so stupid is because Jesus, he said, I can call in 10,000 angels like that. I can snap the finger and there will be an army show up. That's right. That's right. So what he was saying was, I'm not defenseless. But he came here to die, which was important. So that's why the context of that, people, I think they miss that because they look at Jesus as a pacifist and they're like, well, wait a minute, we're all Christians. Christians. And so we can't defend ourselves because Jesus didn't defend himself. They don't

understand that he came here to die. But everybody just tries to put it in a box and it just doesn't work. It doesn't work. If you used an example, let's just take this is a weird example. You remember the guy, what was his name, Jim Jones or whatever that killed the part? The Paws and people took the Pard. Well, think about it. It's all over. It's all over. The Congressman is dead. He took the Bible and basically, and this guy's, you know, know, a horremonger. He's on drugs. And it didn't start out that way. I'm sure at some point he was, you know, he came to Jesus like everybody else. And he got such a power trip. But at some point, he started devoting his life to evil behavior. But he was doing it in the name of

Christianity. And without one weapon, I mean, like what we think, a gun or he leads hundreds to their deaths. And what I'm saying is somebody in that group, they had the same right to defend themselves. At some point, somebody should have stood up and said, no, this guy here is evil. That's right. But it was so camouflaged and backwards that nobody said anything because he's like, oh, he's a preacher. No, he was an evil. I know.

Over a thousand people. Well, right. Stuff like that bothers me because you try to make these sins. situations that make sense. And you've got to look at good and evil from the light, you know, of this, which is, you know, the first time he's hoaring around on his wife, well, wait, we got a problem here. This ministry needs to die until we get this from a spiritual death, is what I'm saying. Well, and that's why he, in that situation, that's why he left the country.

He knew if he stayed in the U.S., somebody was going to break that up before we ever got that. I'm looking at these thousand people who committed suicide. You would think that common sense and a personal study of the Bible would have said, well, I mean, you say brainwashed, but it's like what we're talking about. We're having this. Jase, there's a mighty throng of individuals that are in our streets. They're shooting the streets up every night. You say every one of them think they are absolutely 100% right.

I see people sending them. money and companies sending them money. Oh, me. You're like, well, how much looting and burning and shooting would it take for somebody to say, wait, just a minute here? What in the world is going on here? And at the same time, I'm saying there are churches who are just as wrong organizations, you know, these cult-like who are doing same kinds of evil at the same time.

And it's hard for the common man to kind of look around and see. That's why I'm saying, look, you got this, figured out for yourself. But don't take anybody's word for it or don't just go join a group just because, oh, you know, we think this is justified. When evil behavior starts happening, you've got to take a step back and say, wait a minute. So I'll close it out with a quote I saw today. I thought you'd like this. This was from a speech. And this person that said this said he was condemning the mobocratic.

That's what he called it, mobocratic. rampages now abroad in our land in which the lawless in spirit have become the lawless in practice. Abraham Lincoln, 1838. So, you know what I'm saying? I mean, even that was almost 200 years ago. These things have a way of repeating themselves. Exactly right. And he was saying that back then.

And this is what's going on last, yesterday. That's exactly right. So, anyway, interesting. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook. And be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.