Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 1219 | Jase Looks Back on Phil’s Last Hunt & Al Announces His & Lisa’s Life Story Movie

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

Jase looks fondly back on Phil’s last hunt, and Al shares breaking news about the upcoming movie telling his and Lisa’s full redemption story. Al’s daughter Alex joins the guys to talk about revisiting painful family history, healing through transparency, and how to face and talk about generational trauma with honesty and grace. The guys wrap with a deep dive into John 19 and 20 and the meaning behind the water, blood, and renewal found in Jesus’ death and resurrection. In this episode: Romans 1, verse 21; John 3; John 10; Psalm 22; Exodus 12, verse 46; Numbers 9, verse 12; John 19; John 20, verse 1; First John 5; Acts 1–2; Genesis 1 Chapters: 00:00-06:56 Willie’s ADHD & Zach’s MIA  06:57-14:14 Announcing a new project 14:15-20:34 The nitty gritty of infidelity20:35-29:11 Why telling your story matters 29:12-33:32 Al must repent for being a hypocrite 33:33-42:00 Teaching kids to embrace thankfulness 42:01-51:07 The brutality of being crucified 51:08-57:00 Heavenly death = earthly life — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashame. It's Jason, I'm calling this the rollout family week. Yeah. Because we have had different family members. Have we ever, have we figured out, is he still alive? We don't know.

There's no proof of life. We're all just trying to fill his shoes. That's exactly right. Fill his place. We have Alex, my youngest daughter on today. Welcome, Alex. Alex, too, unashamed. Hello, everyone.

It's interesting, but you've been on once. Haddy? Yeah. You weren't there. The reason you don't know is you weren't there. It was mom, who else? You and. And my mom.

Yeah, Lisa. And me. I was outnumbered. And actually, Lisa was going to join us today. Lisa was going to join us today. She has come down with a terrible upper rest story illness for the last like five days. And it started, we were watching a catching up on a TV series. And from when we started to when we ended one night, it was like we watched three or four episodes.

She went from speaking normal to sounding like she was a deep bass to completely losing her voice in four hours. It was terrible. So she's struggling with that. Yeah, she was a squeaky mouse earlier this week. Yeah. So this morning, she was getting better yesterday. She went and got a couple of shots. But then today she woke up, worse, still coughing than terrible.

So I said, Maddie's got enough work trying to deal with mine and Jason's frogs. Yep, batter up. Yeah. It's so shocking because it's almost duck season, and we're literally setting record temperatures for heat. Yeah. Yeah, we're in the high 80s. I pulled in the parking lot this morning.

We briefly mentioned it in the last podcast with Philip and Cy, but I pulled in the parking lot and I start chuckling because Jason just pulled in. Did you notice it when you pulled in today? I guess not. You were probably here before us. And Jace has some willow trees, branches. Oh, I did notice that, yeah. And they're literally.

How could you not? I speak to say, if you did not notice that. So I just chuckled. I thought, well, just the season. I mean, it's, you know. I turn my truck into an 18-wheeler. It's actually a cane, which I have a little place pretty close to my house where this cane grows. And it's what I do with it is, and you're going hunting with us.

I am. Open a day. Despite your schedule. It's crazy for me to go. And I will say for about two minutes yesterday, I thought, should I just not go and work on my sermon? But I said, nope, I've made a commitment. I'm going to open a day to honor dad because this will be the first opening day. He hasn't been a duck blind in 60-something years.

So I'm going to be there for my dad. Well, and it'll also be good because you're in a lot better shape than you were last year. It will not be nearly as painful as it would have been last year. It got bad. Hunting is for you've got to be in decent shape to hunt because it's it's physically. That's why I'm in shape. Yeah. So now I'll be intrigued to whether I see, because me and Jay have a side bet on how many brothers

were actually participate. Because I offered, I extended an invitation to Jeff and Willie. I was like, y'all need to come too and let's just have all the brothers honored. Yeah. And we're going to do it. But Jay and I, we were. I'm going to be there. We chuckled, though, because we said there's one thing to be there.

and hunt. It's another thing since now that we're going to fill up the blind. Yeah. Somebody's got to actually shoot some dust. No. Somebody has to put the decoys out, put the brush out. And Jay was like, none of them are going to participate, which is why I have the load of brush. So we're going to go do that. Yeah, because a lot of setup work for opening a day, especially. Yeah. Exactly. And the backstory on it was that was Phil's last day to hunt was actually opening day of last year, which he didn't participate much because he didn't feel well. And it was our best day of the year. Yeah, I know.

Which is strange to not. Which is weird. It was almost like the Almighty knew this was the parting way for dad. And the way the hunt went was, it did seem. Well, my expectation, and maybe it's just from years of hunting in the past days, is that in this 80-degree weather, we're not going to do anything. No. Well, we don't have any water this year.

water, the temperatures are high. Yeah, you'll have some good conversations. Some good conversations. Some good visiting. We'll bring your sermon. I will. We may do that. I'll bring, and I said we probably are to eat because you got Willie there.

It's hard to keep Willie in one spot over an hour. He is extreme ADD. I say this all across the fruited plains when I tell the story about our personalities and our family because Willie has a hard time sitting still for anything. He's just always been antsy. It's just the way. I think that's why podcasting wasn't for. him.

That's exactly. Ultimately. Yeah, he just couldn't sit for that long period of time. He was the first one that did a podcast. He did one way back like on Fox News years ago. For years, I would see him when we all met together at WFR. It would be usually about 30 minutes in and I'd lean over to Missy and I'd say, there he go.

You'd see him get up. And she's like, why does he do that every week? I was like, because he can't sit in one spot. That's right. For more than 20 years. He just can't do it. There's something. He has to create something.

Even when he goes to an event, like I noticed because we did an event with him, I guess a couple years ago. It was mom and dad's last event, actually. And we were in Vegas. And so we're back in the green room. We're there like two hours early because, you know, waiting. And he's up. He's out. He's back.

He goes and sees people in the other green rooms and he's back. I mean, he was never in there for more. than 10 minutes straight. Well, and I notice he always sits on the end of the road, too. Always. Because he knows he's going to be getting up and going. I do like that. I have that problem, too.

I want to give a mention to Family Research Council. We've been mentioning these guys. And Jace, I thought it was interesting because in the copy here, which you probably wrote, says that they won't back down. And this goes back to your Tom Petty song. So it's kind of funny. Even FRC is like, we get the Tom Petty. You're welcome.

I got it from Tom Petty. So they don't back down. They're out there. And look, when you look and see what's kind of going on the front lines and kind of the political structure of our country, it's a fight. It's a fight for faith, family freedom. These guys meet with lawmakers, shape policy. They keep God's truth in the conversation. That's probably the best thing they do. Tony Perkins has been one of our close friends for many years. And so they're saying, look, don't sit this out. It's time to act and join alongside these guys. So visit FRC.org slash unashamed. help keep faith alive in America. Well, y'all have breaking news, which is why Alex is here. So I guess I'm the moderator for this.

We've kind of been waiting for everything to come together, but it's beginning to look like that we're definitely going to do a movie about Lisa and our story. And it's kind of funny because I really, Lisa is kind of more the central role. So it's almost like it's her story, but obviously it's mine because it's, right. I mean, would that be how you describe it? Yeah, she's kind of the main character. but it does go, it's a pretty deep dive into both of y'all, both of y'all stories.

And there's just so much there. I mean, this is like a 20, over 25 year time period that we're trying to fit into an hour and a half. So it's been a challenge. Alex's role, Alex works for Tread Live. Some of you may not know this, because I don't know that the last time we had you own, you wouldn't have worked for them, probably, right? No, no, I wasn't here.

So Zach has hired Alex, and she does a lot of, lot of our copy for things we do ads and different things and headlines and banners and stuff like that. But now her role is expanding within the company. And so she has taken on one of the leads on this project to kind of be the liaison between us and the writers and everything that goes on and making a movie. Part of the scripting team. Yeah, which has been great because I mean to get to work with your kids, you know, we have Brighton and Missillon and, of course, Jayce, you talked about it, being able to brighten kind of becoming a follower of the podcast, and now what that has opened up for discussions to have.

And I have to say the first time we had a Zoom meeting with one of the writers of the movie for the script. And look, we're going back, I mean, we're telling it everything, you know. And so, I mean, we've had, I always say, all the dirty laundry is going to be there. Same thing I told dad about the blind. They don't make a movie about you unless you've done something really bad or really good. Or both.

Or in our case, it was both. But that first discussion when you have your youngest daughter there and we were talking about some of the rougher times of your marriage and getting into some details you hadn't thought about in 25 years, it was a little awkward for me because I was like. But Alex was great. She was like, no, dad, it's okay. You know, I've heard the story. So she's... You have to compartmentalize it, sorry, a little bit. Just to be like, okay, especially once we get to the intimate scenes.

Yeah, some of the rougher parts of our story. Yeah, that was so weird about the blind was, I think they were, like, in the process of making the movie. And Zach, we were just having a conversation. And I said, well, I wonder if you're going to tell that story. And I told him the story about when I went and visited Phil when he was running from the law. And he's like, I hadn't heard this. He's like, we've got to get that in. It made it in the movie.

It actually made it our version of it. Yeah. And it was a powerful scene, too. Very powerful. It was. Because it showed you really in that moment, it showed you sort of the depth of where dad's depravity had taken him in that moment. Yeah.

I have a couple stories probably of Al that have not been revealed that probably should be in this movie. Well, you need to tell me. We'll talk after. Tell Dallas, because now's the time. I think we have the second version of the script now. completed. It takes several times to process through this.

Yeah, the process is... And by the way, just so the audience knows, I'm just going to be totally transparent. There's not much money involved in this. It's just the reason we're doing this is because you're the robbers and they're making all these movies and all this stuff.

We're doing it for the same reason that mom and dad did it. If this helps reach some people because of telling the story in a new artistic place where people can watch it, because a lot of people like the movie impacted people that other things hadn't with mom and dad's movie. And that's what we hope for. And the one thing that I really asked for out of all this, more than anything else, I said,

I want to have access to that we can do clips from the movie. Because to have something professionally done by production, and then what Lisa and I do in marriage settings and all that, if I can show clips that are actually real actors that are playing us that are dramatically producing some of these things, that's going to be a great thing to help people. It brings it home a little bit to more people. And people are really looking for that entertainment these days. There's so much out there that is, you know, not good. You wouldn't want your kids to be in the room when it was on. And there are some rough parts going to be in this movie, but it's all true. And it's all serving a greater purpose of, yeah, we turned it around or God turned it around for us. And so that's the

kind of the whole narrative, even though, and I realize it might be awkward at times, especially for mom. She is getting back into, because I mean, we're diving deep into all those memories and motivations and emotions. And so going back into that frame of mind where she was suffering so much and in so much pain and so much confusion and all that. And she wants to tell the story, but she's been a little bit clinical about it, to be honest, just because it's not a place that anyone wants to spend a lot of time mentally is things that she's gone through. And it's sort of like what Dad always did. He would let you know every time he talked that he was, you know, a worthless reprobate. However, he would frame that. But he framed it in basically three sentences.

Three sentences covered 10 years. Well, there were a lot of specifics in there that were really, really bad. And so we went back and did the movie and you saw it. And it was hard for that, wouldn't you say, Jason? I mean, it was hard for him to watch. He was really embarrassed. Yeah. And he just shed tears.

It was hard for him. But at the same time, it is kind of ironic because I had a long conversation with dad about the movie and his trepidation about doing it. And now I had to listen to my own words because now I'm in the same position. I mean, it's not fun to go back and have to portray those things as reality, but they really happen. So we're taking like some sentences that we use in a presentation and now we're doing it as a real life. Well, now it's being acted out into a whole scene. And it's been, you know, I kind of knew the story, of course. part of my life I was there.

But I was, I was little. I mean, I was less than 10 years old whenever. We think it was about 9 and 11 for you and, you know, something like that. So whenever the whole affair was happening and it was coming to light and there was a potential that you and mom would not be together anymore. Of course, I remember feeling that there was something weird going on, but not knowing what it was. Because we had shielded you guys from as much of it as we could.

Right. So going back and hearing all the like ins and outs now and all the stories and, you know, there was a scene that we talked about that I'm not sure if it's in your book or not. But you had a suspicion about what was going on. And so you were going to confront this person and I don't want to give the whole movie away. But it didn't work out the way that you thought it would. And that was something I'd never heard before. Yeah, that was one of those stories that I had never really told before. either. I don't think it's in the book either. Right. So there's going to be some new groundbroken

with some of those stories. But it's just crazy to all these things that I've just known for decades. And now it's like, all right, let's get into the needy gritty. Well, one of the things that impacted me, Ruth, we called Alex Ruby. So if I call it a Rube, that's what that means. It was when we went to South Africa, and we talked about this on the last podcast, actually. We're talking about a song. But we went there and you went with us. And by this time, you were. were about 16 maybe when we went to South Africa. Oh, I was, I was 18. 18. So she went with us to South Africa. And, you know, by this time, Lisa and I have been telling our story and all this. But again, not necessarily in front of our kids, because they're not going with us to events and stuff.

They're in, you know, high school. Well, she went with us. And so the first time she hears Lisa get up and just share the whole story to this group of women in South Africa, she's just broken down. You were crying. Do you remember this? I remember it, yeah. But what. What shocked me was I did not know about her sexual abuse as a child. Yeah. I hadn't heard that bit of it. Right.

And so like all of a sudden, you know, Alex at 18, so it had been like nine years earlier when we went through all this stuff and upheaval. But now she's hearing some details there. She'd never heard before him and healing now because healing had happened in Lisa's life. But it was so upsetting. And so Lisa and I, it was a shocker to us because you feel like your kids kind of get it. But then we got to thinking about it. We're like, well, how would they even know all this information?

They were, I mean, we were shielding you guys to try to protect you. But now we're out here telling the story. And it was like, well, we probably should. And I'm like, what? Well, that was the good thing about, in Phil and Kay's story, they just laid it all out there. Right. You know, so you felt like nothing was a surprise, which was probably the better approach. Well, the one good thing about mom, you could say this,

because dad would always just give you two sentences, but then mom would give a lot of detail. She was like, she would throw them under the bus. Yeah, she was ready to exercise those demons. She would lay it out there. But you know, they kind of had a way about doing that that was disarming to the whole thing. It's like, well, look, God's made us what we are today. Well, and that's exactly what we do, Jay's because when Lisa and I share it together now, I do a little opening thing and I get us to this point where Lisa's going to take over

and then her stuff is really powerful. And then I always say, I say, well, obviously you know this turns out well because we're here tonight. So, but I'm going to let her take over. You can guess at the end. Exactly. So, you know, it's exactly what it is. Jesus wins in the end. And he certainly has for us, and 25 years later we're helping people.

So that's the purpose of the movie. That's why we're doing it. Do we have a target date on this? It's thinking, well, we're thinking it'll be around Easter next year. So not too far away. Yeah. Oh, wow. If it all takes off, we would film, this would be film early next year and then release pretty quickly after.

They're hoping to target by Easter. And you don't have a name yet? No. Not one that we can share. No. We're kind of waiting to see about that. You know, you're dealing with other people and, you know, all these different things you have to go through for that kind of thing. But it's true.

It's real. It'll, you know, it's, you have to be cinematic. And so you have to realize that going into a movie when you retell a story. Right. Right. Well, and Jace, you and Missy will be played. Oh, really? Yeah. And Willie and Corey and Jeb. Everybody's going to be there. You actually have more lines than any Robertson except, I think, except Dad, I think. Yeah, there's several times where we get into.

What is shocking, because I really don't say a whole lot in life. Well, we really are, your character kind of leans into that, which you admit to openly, about being a little bit judgmental. in your earlier years. Well, that's why I wanted to share a couple of these stories on what caused that, what contributed to that. And we've been very open on the podcast about that. You know we have. Because Jason and I was had a complex relationship,

and it was my fault because that was terrible. But I totally take the blame for us. I'm not blaming Jason. Because we became very close after God worked that out because then we wanted to go into school together and, you know, I told me I was explaining our relationship one night. pretty recently. And I was like,

this is always weird because I was like, Al was the problem because he did all, he would just lie. You know, I would go, I was a complete double agent.

Tell my parents, whatever he was doing. And then not only would he lie about it, he would get his friends then to abuse him. I mean, physically abuse me. And it just infuriated me.

So I do think that contributed to me being kind of mean about that. later on because I was just like this guy yeah because you break that trust and all but in a way I was trying to also protect him and so because it was your brother yeah yeah well and there is a really nice I'm not going to say what it is but there is a really nice arc to the relationship between you guys that forms throughout the movie and I'll say I'll say this and if we need to cut it we can't really but we're hoping uh the final scene we're hoping that it might be us and our actual grandkids

ourselves, yeah. Ourselves, being able to show that, you know, this is where God has brought us. So we're hoping we have that same. I kind of assume that. Well, it's tough. And it helps with budgetary restrictions as well. Right. Then you don't have to have somebody playing us at this age.

But we just thought it would be great. And Lisa really wants to do it as well if we can actually have our actual family. It's kind of like the scene, which was actually Jay's idea at the end of the blind, where dad gets to come in and speak as himself. Oh, yeah. That's very powerful at the end. I mean, I'm not right. I think that was a holy.

Spirit. I watched the movie. Zach, you know, sitting there waiting on the phone for me because I was like, hey, you know, will you help me promote the movie?

I said, well, I'm going to have to watch it. If it's good. Yeah. And he started laughing. He was like, oh, I guess I see your point. I'm like, well, if it's not good, I'm not promoting this.

But when I watched it, and he was like sending me text, have you watched it yet? It's like, it's longer than, you knew it was longer than the allotted time that I've had to watch it. But that was my only critique. I was like, I don't think our dad will like this

if you don't actually have a part where he shares what he heard in his own words. So get him to do that as like bonus footage. And I have to say that just from a cinematic point of view, watching movies, don't you love it when it's a movie about real people? when they, at the end, they'll show actual pictures of those real people. I mean, that's why they do it. Exactly.

And I will watch that every time on a movie. Because I'm curious then, it's like, oh, that's the real person. That's the real family. Well, and I have to be very complimentary of you and mom because, you know, going back through all these memories and situations in such detail, I mean, I know it was hard. I could certainly see it for mom, but just I know that if someone and, you know, this is obviously, I guess the growth that you've had over the years. But if someone came to me now and said,

hey, we're going to make a movie about the most tumultuous years of your life, I'd be like, mm-mm. No, I don't think that. It's that passage in John 3, which is, it keeps coming up, podcast to podcast, when it's talking about people won't come into the light for fear, their deeds will be exposed. Yeah. But it's the last few verses of that paragraph.

What is that, John 3, like 20 and 21 in there? but it's like but those who live in the light show that what has happened in their life has happened which is so funny it's so funny you brought that up because we're going to get there

hopefully at some point this podcast or next because Nicodemus Jesus makes that statement when he just had the conversation with Nicodemus and then when Jesus is buried later guess who's there in the light oh exactly which is very bad enough and it's that passage is

it's just everybody should have that on the speed dial. I love it. Because you can't follow Jesus and not be vulnerable about your life. That's right. And how many times

have you heard a story that has changed how you view your own life or what's happened to you or opened a doorway that you didn't know was there because you heard something

from someone else and it's like, wow, I didn't know that they went through that or wow, I went through that and now I can see further down the road to what I could be in the future.

I mean, exactly. Look at Peter and Paul. I mean, Peter, the most embarrassing thing you could ever do. Deny Jesus three times after you said you wouldn't. And you don't know how good my life for you? No, you won't. And then all that happens.

And look at Paul, I mean, can't be any worse than that. He just keeps killing Christians. But there it is, just all out there for generations. Well, and to be honest, that's why it's so great to work with you, Alex, on the project, is because nobody has seen more than you and your sister, the growth of both of us, but especially your mom, you know, in that life change and what you, and both of you look up to her so much. And that means a lot to her.

She's got a little segment she does in her speech about how people, when she looks at how other people view her, she can see herself through the lens of Christ. And she mentions you guys and the grandkids. And it's just a very powerful, it makes me cry every time if she doesn't, in front of an audience. Well, and she and I had some hard years in our relationship as well whenever I was young and I was, you know, living my prodigal life.

Yeah, you went through some prodigal. And, you know, doing a lot of things that I had no business doing, that she had already warned me against. And I was like, no, I got this, mom. So that was, there were several years that were hard. So, and actually, I think what you mentioned in South Africa, that was kind of starting to be the turning point there was where I saw her as less of an adversary and more as someone who could help me.

you know, a mentor or... Turned to an advocate. Right. You know, and it's funny because you told us when you left and moved to Mount Rooge, you said you'd never come back to West Monroe, and you'd spend your time there. And then, of course, you got married and had a kid, and you're like, I think I want to come home. Mama, dad? I think I'm heading home, which is a blessing for us.

So thank you, Ruby, for coming home. Hey, they're not backing down, and you're not back and down from all the ugliness in your story. So, hey, yeah, for standing up. A lot not back and down around here. I love it. All right. Let's take a break. We'll see you on the other side.

Welcome back to Unashame. It was great. It's always great to have your kids on, and both of us did this week. Jay's had to say, I meant to say this in front of the house, but I forgot, but I had to repent last night

for being a hypocrite because when Missy was on the podcast earlier this week, we were talking about the holidays, and I lamented that we skip over Thanksgiving by going straight from Halloween to Christmas, you know, with this.

And Missy and I were kind of talking about this. Oh, not in my house. I know. I know. Because she had the Thanksgiving show. That's what it led me. But so last night, so I was like, yeah, I don't know. Why did people do that?

Well, so last night was the night because some people are coming over to help Anna decorate today for Christmas, which we're a week, as we're recording this, we're a week away from Thanksgiving. So we said we're a week away. And we're decorating our houses for Christmas the next two days. So we had to go pull everything out of the action. attic and all that. Well, what happens is I forget about it, because it's work, you know, everybody's trying to, you know, but we all chip in together. The grandkids are out there.

And, but we started doing it, and we're pulling down all this stuff out of the attic and all the decorations and the trees and all that. Well, I'm getting all up in the spirit of Christmas. I'm singing Christmas songs. I go in and Alex told me that Larry Fleet, who we had on the podcast, remember a while back, has redone the song that Ray Charles sings on Christmas vacation. You know, that one he sings when Chevy Chase is up in the attic watching it. It's been a while since I've seen it. It's a really cool song. It's one of my favorite Christmas songs.

And Ray Charles is so good. But I must say, and Larry listens to the podcast, I hope you're listening to this, Larry. You knocked it out of the park. Like, I didn't realize Larry had such a soulful, like, rhythm and blues sound, you know? And so we listened to it last night when we were like taking some of the Christmas stuff down. And then we started listening to a lot of

his other stuff because I'd heard some of his other songs. So Larry, you were part of our Christmas. If you're listening, you were part of our Christmas and he has done that song amazing. So check it out if you hadn't already done it because I think he just released it like the last couple of months. But it's one of the better Christmas songs. So what was your

repentance over? Well, my repentance is because I was griping about other people getting into Christmas too early. And And then here I was doing it. Totally last night. It was kind of a sarcastic repent. It was a sarcastic repent. I didn't really truly repent because I didn't do anything wrong.

But I will say, I get it while you get into the Christmas spirit, even a week away. I'll tell you, my wife, she is just really taking a hold of tradition and passing the legacy on from not only her parents, but our parents. because now she does the sweet potato pies in the spirit of my grandma. Oh, yeah. And she does them spectacular. And she said, I don't know if she said this on air Monday, but she said her goal now is to do a different dish every year. Yeah, you know what she's doing this year?

The chocolate pie. Oh, really? She's tackling that, which my mom's chocolate pie. But she's going to keep the crawfish pie going for Christmas, though, right? Because now that's only, okay, good. She's going to learn the, she's going to try to learn. She tried it once. and it was an epic fail.

I mean, those recipes, because my family... I failed on the duck and dressing last year. It just didn't come to. My family, they don't get into the details. It's a pinch of that. Oh, you'll know, like my dad used to say, oh, hey, you can look at it and tell. No, no, I can't, Phil.

I want to know exactly what I need to put in. Or he'll say, because I've watched the videos, there's videos of dad out here doing duck and dressing, he'll say, now you hit this a lick, but not too much. just a lick and I'm like dad what is a lick how does that even not too much so but it's all good good fun no it is and it's and it's the spirit of of what we do so yeah we had actually thanksgiving day you know a week before Thanksgiving for a little man well I actually heard it I was not actually about that because I heard there was a jace sighting at the little school

oh yeah my kid my youngest stage goes there so they saw you there I saw I saw I saw B and other people. And no, it was wonderful. And then the little Luis, who works here for us, their little son is in A.K.'s class. So I saw the video in Little Luis, who is like half Dominican, because his dad is a Dominican, he was doing some serious dancing.

Now, little man was more like just kind of little. He was kind of doing hitch, you know. Exactly. Well, look at my dance. That's basically what it is. I was doing the Trump before Trump made that a dance. That is my dance. But I thought, oh, well, I'll give him credit for it. So it was fun. It was all about being thankful. And, you know, when I think about being thankful anyway, I mean,

that Romans 1, which is a very brutal chapter in the Bible, it starts off saying kind of the decline of human nature, and it brings up that being thankful. It says, for although they neither, this is Romans one. Got to get the glasses on. Romans one, there it is, 21. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God

or gave thanks to him. And that's the foundation for where it all goes wrong. Your thinking becomes futile when your heart becomes darken. But don't you think it's interesting that our early sort of founders

and leaders of our nation thought it was important to have a day to recognize just the gratitude we should have as a people. I mean, you know, no matter what, you go back and study the history of it, and it supposedly goes back to, like, the early settlers and some of the Native Americans that were here joining together for a celebration of gratitude that they could be together. Obviously, there were wars fought. A lot has happened since then. But at the same time, I love the concept that we should always find a time to be grateful. I mean, look, I think one of the hardest things to get your kids to be and do when they're young coming up is being thankful. Yeah, that's right.

I mean, that is a, it's a foundational. Which, by the way, Larry Fleet, it just hit me because he has a song called Things I Took for Granted. No, yeah. It's another great song because it's the idea that it's easy for us to take for granted things that we just assume have always been there instead of. of just stopping us and saying, you know what, man, I got a lot to be thankful for. Well, I mean, we tend to make fun of people whose faith is so deep and impressive that even when bad things happen, they're like, well, I'm thankful for this because now God is going to give me a, give me, you know, an opportunity here. I mean, but that is the mindset that the Holy Spirit

is conveying. Isn't that the first thing that James hits in the book of James? I mean, count it pure joy when you face trials of many kinds? But then human being said, yeah, but he didn't actually mean that. Oh, yeah, that's what he meant. He did. But it's just so hard to wrap your head around. And I think where we're at in John 19, you're saying this. I mean, Jesus is doing this on purpose, which is a verse that I bring up when he predicted

it, when he said, no one is going to take my life. Yeah. Was that John 10? Yeah. I lay it down freely. Right. I give it. And I think he's purposefully doing that as this is intentional.

Yeah. I can't stand it where these kind of the denominational world sometimes comes up with this doctrine on like, why he had to do it. He did it willingly. Yeah. And I think that's kind of what love is all about. This idea of the did it within this like family unity structure idea. and you mentioned, was it, for 140 times? I could not believe it.

I was shocked that he refers to God as father. A hundred. I think it was 100, you know, it's depending on translation, it was a, but somebody had on there 250 times, but I think I don't know where he was getting that stat, but the actual Greek lexicon, I think had 139 that I looked. Including one of the last things he said, you know, father, father, you know, that when he cried, you know,

why have you forsaken me? Yeah. That's one of the last things he said. Yeah, exactly. Even in that moment, which is powerful. And we read that in Psalm 22, and I had made a point a few podcasts ago that, you know, there's a case to be made that you can find all his sayings in Psalm 22. Even the last line of Psalm 22 when to kind of parallel when he said, it is finished.

Yeah. The last verse of Psalm 22 says, this is after the, you know, the obvious ones, which Psalm 22 won, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? The 18, where they divided his garments and cast lots for his clothing. But the last verse says, and this is kind of looking at going through the, the cross. And it says verse, kind of got a backup to get the context, but it says all the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord. All the families of the nations will bow down for dominion belongs to the Lord. He rules over the nations. All the rich of the earth will feast and

worship. All who go down to dust will kneel before him. Those who cannot keep themselves alive. Posterity will serve in future generations will be told about the Lord, which is all true. This all came true. Yeah. They will proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn. And then there's a dash, for he has done it. Yeah. That's good. It is finished. Yeah. He's done it. He has reconciled. You know what I found interesting now? I don't know. This just kind of hit me last night. There's so many words in the New Testament, and the Old Testament for that matter, but that start with RE. Like, again, like, just think about them. Redemption, what Jesus, when he said it is finished, redemption, reconciliation, repentance, renewal.

It's just filled with this on what we once were and what now through Jesus doing this. Remembrance is another one. Remember? Well, in the moment, I thought of a dozen probably, but just off the top of my head, I thought, Somebody needs to do a lesson on that. That's pretty good. Re. We're bringing it. He's brought for it.

That's why I'm ultimately, I think when he said it is finished, I think it mirrors when God in the first creation, his father, created the earth in six days. I have that right here. And N.T. Wright makes a big point of that, that it's a callback to creation and the new creation. Yeah. Genesis 1 to John 1. Because look, we've gone through John 19, and we keep revisiting it, looking at the big picture. But this first verse in Chapter 20 is very profound. And it seems subtle.

It says early on the first day of the week. Now, do you think he's writing that just coincidentally? This is right after the burial. He's fixing to discuss my little heading on Chapter 20 says, the empty tomb on the first day of the week. Right after he said it's finished. Yeah. That connection is real.

Right. And the body, remember we said from, was it Deuteronomy 21, a body that was hung on a tree, had to be taken off before the Sabbath because this old idea about curse. So again, it puts it right in that window you were talking about across that three-day span, which was the hour before and hour after. I mean, it all leads to this moment of renewal on the first day of the week. It's a, not only is it the first day of the week, not only is it signifying a new week. This is a new creation because he's fiction to describe a man claiming to be God being resurrected from the dead.

Yeah, which is going to happen, which we're going to get into. Which is why the burial is a paragraph in this section, because this is proof that he was dead. Well, it's also why John says specific. specifically that he saw him die so that he would be able to witness. Remember he said that? Well, and then even now you're going back to on the cross, he sees the blood and water come out when the spear. Yeah, and I want to mention that because we haven't taught much about that,

that kind of why that happened. Because, again, nothing of these, everything that happens here, there's a reason behind it. But that's where they were breaking their legs because they're basically rushing the death. That's the idea. And so what crucifixion did, you basically asphyxated. That's how you died. You just got to where you couldn't breathe.

Yeah, it's horrible to talk about it's awful. Because you're having to push off the nail that usually combine both feet. Yeah. And then, but you're sagging where you can't breathe. So what they did was they would. they would come along if they were wanting to speed the process up. And again, this is brutal. They take a big old club, and they break their legs where they can't push up anymore.

And so basically, you just, it's fixed it. Well, this happened with the two thieves. They broke their legs. But when they come to Jesus, and again, this goes back because there's two texts, Exodus 1246, Numbers 912, where the Passover lamb was to have no bones broken. It had to be, it had to be from their perspective. a perfect representation of a lamb. And so that was part of the Old Testament law.

With Jesus, again, it's one of those little moments of fulfillment. He's not going to have his legs broken. He's going to be the picture of perfection as the hour of Passover lamb. So they go up to break his legs, what they see he's already dead. But they got to know for sure,

because these people are killers. So he takes a spear and he runs it right into his side. Now he's already been dead, so we know now from, you know, you can read science as to what happens. when people dies. So your body begins to break down. And so you have these fluids

and all this stuff that begins to happen. So they pierce in this side where it's mostly water that flows out because that's what happens when you die. Your blood quits pumping. And so it's just stuck there in your veins, you know, but it's not like, you know, you pierce a live person.

You're going to bleed. Yeah. He's a dead person. He's already dead. And again, this is proving that he's going to come back to life. That's why all this is happening. So we'll know this.

But he pierces it. And so you see this idea, water and blood, but I did a little look on that, Jess. I look back just in the book of John. So you got John 2, where he turned water into wine. You got John 3, where he talks to Nicodemus about water in the spirit. You got John 4, where he talks to the woman at the well about a living water that flows out. You got John 5 and 6 where he talks about his body and also his blood being the life force for people to live in when he fed the 5,000. And then in John 5,000. And then in John 13, you've got the washing of feet and him talking about the Passover being him being

the Passover lamb for blood. It's been all through the text. And memory also had that conversation with the mom about who's going to sit on the right and the left, which I think he was more given the picture of there were going to be two thieves sitting on the right and the left. But then he makes that statement about, can you? drink the cup, which would represent the blood, which goes back to the Lord's Supper, or be baptized with the baptism, which you're baptized in water, that I'm going to be

baptized with, which you do that in water. There you have another blood, water, subtle reference. And then John himself, when he gets to First John, and I realize if you look up this, the scholars are all over the place on what this means. And I'm not a scholar. But it just seems like... The simple answer is usually the right one. I mean, and I'll read it for you

because I do think there's a connection here. Which now you're getting into First John, this is same writer, but post what's happened. He recorded... Like 60 years, 50 or 60 years later. Yeah, so now we're having fellowship with the one who did. this in an intimate way and through his spirit, which is all over the place.

And we're going to study this next. But I felt like I needed to read this because when he gets to chapter five, he says, you know, everyone who believes that Jesus Christ is born of God. And well, you know, now we're getting back in this conversation when Nicodemus, born from above, which is a heavenly birth. Right. as compared to when you were born in an earthly way. And it's still that same principle that the father gives life.

You have all that everywhere. And physical fathers on the earth, they, in essence, give life. You know, you get with a woman and your wife. And what happens? You give life. And the woman is on the receiving end of that, which is kind of the relationship of the father. and the son, you have this complex community that is known as God, the Father, the Son,

Holy Spirit. You have one receiving life, one giving life eternally, which is why you get into that John 17 where he's like, he praised that the love that the father had for him before the beginning of the creation could be passed on to believers. Yeah. I mean, which I know that's complex. But so then in 1st John 5, he says, this is how, this verse 2, we know that we love, this is how we know that we love the children of God, which is this back to this father-giving

life, children would be spawned through this heavenly birth by loving God and carrying out his commands. And he spent this whole book talking about the command. man ultimately is you love God, he is love, and you love each other. And then it says, for everyone, verse four, born of God, overcomes the world, which gets in back to the John 15, you're going to be in the world, they're going to hate you, but you now are a world, a kingdom within the world.

This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. I mean, this has happened in being born of God. Who is it that overcomes the world? only he who believes that Jesus is the son of God. So then watch where he goes from here. This is the one, speaking of Jesus, the son of God, who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ. People are like, what does he mean?

So most scholars say here, okay, he shed his blood and he was baptized and got the spirit. You know, remember that? I must do this. Because when you go into like universe, universal historical references outside of the Bible on what everyone agrees with from a historical viewpoint. They all agree that John the Baptist baptized Jesus and that Pilate handed Jesus over to be crucified, which I found that fascinating.

We hadn't talked about that much. But when you just look at the outside sources from like Josephus and these other Roman. They all universally agree. Because, you know, people who follow Christ can't agree on much. Right. So they all take issue with translations and historical documents. But I find that fascinating that that's the two things that everyone agrees on. That happened in the way that the Bible describes.

So then you have this reference about water and blood, Jesus. So that's what people say. But I do think there's something about, why is that in there about piercinging with the spear and water and blood coming out. And then it says, he did not come by water only, but by water and blood, and it is the spirit who testifies because the spirit is truth. So I think everything we've said here is all true, whatever the specific meaning here. But then he says, for there are three that testify the spirit, the water and the blood,

and the three are in agreement. We accept man's testimony, but God's. testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God which he has given about his son. So then it goes on to say, anyone who believes in the son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar because he has not believed the testimony of God has given about his son. And this is the testimony. So after going through all that and all the signs and all the fulfillment and the water and the blood and the spirit being involved, it says God has given us eternal life and this life is in his son.

He who does, he who has the son has life. He who does not have the son of God does not have life. So think about, Jay. So that's written by a young man. and we're assuming, based on historical information, he was a very young guy, John, and he wrote those words you just read. He wrote them quite a bit after it actually happened,

but he wrote it as a guy, as a young man who was sitting there with Jesus' mother, some other women, and he watched the spear go in the side. He watched the water and blood flow out. He knew that Jesus was dead. He was the first one there at the tomb with Peter, and he saw that he wasn't there, and then saw him later as a resurrected Lord,

and then he saw him leave and promised the Holy Spirit, which poured out, we read about in Acts 1 and Acts 2. So this guy saw it all and told us the testimony. And so, I mean, it's very powerful. Well, the reason I brought this up and we discussed it is because you said, well, what does all this mean? You realize that this heavenly death that happened, a being that came from heaven who took on flesh

actually brought life through this suffering, through all the evidence that we just read, having the spear. And that trickles down to us. You're like, if you want to participate in the heavenly death and in Jesus, then the physical death, the result of you having the same spirit that he had

is going to turn out just the same. You're coming back from the dead. Yeah. And you get to live here now as a new person. I mean, it's awesome. To one of your re's renewal through redemption, which is powerful and awesome. Well, we're out of time. We'll see you next time on Unashamed.

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